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	<title>Comments on: Jury Damage Award Could Close California Healthcare Facilities</title>
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		<title>By: Mark Baird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Baird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are these attorneys not the result of the free markets or are they an evil secret government entity that is out to destroy all that is good in this world. I believe it was el Rushbo that said that anything that doesn&#039;t make a profit does not provide any value to society. I believe trial lawyers and their firms make a profit and I believe they have clients and there for they offer a great value to the middle class. Value that big business wants to take away from the middle class. 
 
I would suggest that all you experts on the legal system read and educate yourself on how the legal system works before you start contributing to the discussion. It is sort of like when Republicans complain about Obama because he has no &quot;business&quot; experience or &quot;executive&quot; experience. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are these attorneys not the result of the free markets or are they an evil secret government entity that is out to destroy all that is good in this world. I believe it was el Rushbo that said that anything that doesn&#039;t make a profit does not provide any value to society. I believe trial lawyers and their firms make a profit and I believe they have clients and there for they offer a great value to the middle class. Value that big business wants to take away from the middle class. </p>
<p>I would suggest that all you experts on the legal system read and educate yourself on how the legal system works before you start contributing to the discussion. It is sort of like when Republicans complain about Obama because he has no &quot;business&quot; experience or &quot;executive&quot; experience.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Baird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Baird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Clear evidence that while tort reform is vital, &quot; 
 
Not really. This is one story and as always someone will use it in the service of their ego. Of course you will not hear about the injured patient that did not sue or the injured patient that was not allowed to go to court. Nor will you hear about those big awards that were eventually brought way down by a judge. Who are conservatives really complaining about, you. 
 
The system has a lawyer for the plaintiff and a lawyer or lawyers for the defendant. There is one judge, the referee, and twelve citizens called the jury. Each side tells their story and presents their facts. When each side has completed their arguments and presented all of their facts the judge tells the jury the laws that must be applied when deciding the case. The jury then moves to deliberate the case in private amongst themselves. 
 
It is the jury that the Republicans, the US Chamber of Commerce and big business are really complaining about, the common man, you and I. Do they not believe we are not capable of making decisions about how to live our lives, that we are not capable of governing ourselves, that we are not capable as fully informed citizens to make decisions about the conscience of our community? Is this what we believe? I would argue otherwise. 
 
Our Founding Fathers recognized the collective wisdom and judgment of its citizens and also understood that of each of us unconsciously seeks those bits of information that confirm our underlying intuition. This is why the founding fathers gave us a system that allows for dissent. This confrontation forces us, the majority, to interrogate our own positions more seriously.  (Some on the right do not believe in this.) 
 
Yes, the jury system is not perfect, but neither is any institution that man creates and participates in because we ourselves are fallible. Given all of its imperfections the jury system is a microcosm of the very Democracy that men and woman have died for through our history. Yes, again I will say the jury system is not perfect but it is ours. 
 
The Founding fathers wanted to create a framework that would allow society to orient itself through dictates of conscience. This framework forces each of us into a communal process of finding the truth, an approach to truth that is experienced. An approach to truth that is more than dogmatic belief or a truth inferred from logical arguments. Are these principles and values something that we truly believe in our hearts as the best approach to society? 
 
I can only come to one conclusion and that is that the common man is not capable of rendering judgment but yet is capable of participating in the free markets, the stock market and Democracy. I sometimes have to believe that Republicans want a king because they are constantly attacking one of the few protections that the middle class has outside of their back door. Yes, it is the jury, the common man, that Republicans are complaining about because obviously we are all to stupid to render judgment once we have heard all the facts. We are all to stupid as to how we want to orient society. 
 
What were the founding fathers thinking about. Giving all this power in the stupid middle class. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Clear evidence that while tort reform is vital, &quot; </p>
<p>Not really. This is one story and as always someone will use it in the service of their ego. Of course you will not hear about the injured patient that did not sue or the injured patient that was not allowed to go to court. Nor will you hear about those big awards that were eventually brought way down by a judge. Who are conservatives really complaining about, you. </p>
<p>The system has a lawyer for the plaintiff and a lawyer or lawyers for the defendant. There is one judge, the referee, and twelve citizens called the jury. Each side tells their story and presents their facts. When each side has completed their arguments and presented all of their facts the judge tells the jury the laws that must be applied when deciding the case. The jury then moves to deliberate the case in private amongst themselves. </p>
<p>It is the jury that the Republicans, the US Chamber of Commerce and big business are really complaining about, the common man, you and I. Do they not believe we are not capable of making decisions about how to live our lives, that we are not capable of governing ourselves, that we are not capable as fully informed citizens to make decisions about the conscience of our community? Is this what we believe? I would argue otherwise. </p>
<p>Our Founding Fathers recognized the collective wisdom and judgment of its citizens and also understood that of each of us unconsciously seeks those bits of information that confirm our underlying intuition. This is why the founding fathers gave us a system that allows for dissent. This confrontation forces us, the majority, to interrogate our own positions more seriously.  (Some on the right do not believe in this.) </p>
<p>Yes, the jury system is not perfect, but neither is any institution that man creates and participates in because we ourselves are fallible. Given all of its imperfections the jury system is a microcosm of the very Democracy that men and woman have died for through our history. Yes, again I will say the jury system is not perfect but it is ours. </p>
<p>The Founding fathers wanted to create a framework that would allow society to orient itself through dictates of conscience. This framework forces each of us into a communal process of finding the truth, an approach to truth that is experienced. An approach to truth that is more than dogmatic belief or a truth inferred from logical arguments. Are these principles and values something that we truly believe in our hearts as the best approach to society? </p>
<p>I can only come to one conclusion and that is that the common man is not capable of rendering judgment but yet is capable of participating in the free markets, the stock market and Democracy. I sometimes have to believe that Republicans want a king because they are constantly attacking one of the few protections that the middle class has outside of their back door. Yes, it is the jury, the common man, that Republicans are complaining about because obviously we are all to stupid to render judgment once we have heard all the facts. We are all to stupid as to how we want to orient society. </p>
<p>What were the founding fathers thinking about. Giving all this power in the stupid middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: OklahomaBound</title>
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		<dc:creator>OklahomaBound</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 03:40:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before The Big One shakes CA into the ocean where it belongs lets send all of the civil lawyers there on vacation just before it happens. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before The Big One shakes CA into the ocean where it belongs lets send all of the civil lawyers there on vacation just before it happens.</p>
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		<title>By: irishalaman</title>
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		<dc:creator>irishalaman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 03:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is this what our young men and women fight and die to protect? 
So trial lawyers may throw our elderly into the streets to die so they may be rich? 
Who are these attorneys?  how do we stop this insanity?  Has the time come when we should  
divide our country into the doers versus the takers?  God Bless those elderly and their caretakers. 
May we forgive in our hearts the trial attorneys who destroy our country for their personal gain. 
Again who are these attorneys?  Jonathan Rosenfeld appears to be one who sues Nursing homes. 
Oh well, they are just old people anyway, really who cares if they throw them out into the street. 
May God Bless our beautiful country and rid us of these Godless Charlatan Rotten Lawyers who destroy rather than fix.  heartless sons of a guns.  their Ship has rotted and they are no longer the Captains of their souls. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is this what our young men and women fight and die to protect?<br />
So trial lawyers may throw our elderly into the streets to die so they may be rich?<br />
Who are these attorneys?  how do we stop this insanity?  Has the time come when we should<br />
divide our country into the doers versus the takers?  God Bless those elderly and their caretakers.<br />
May we forgive in our hearts the trial attorneys who destroy our country for their personal gain.<br />
Again who are these attorneys?  Jonathan Rosenfeld appears to be one who sues Nursing homes.<br />
Oh well, they are just old people anyway, really who cares if they throw them out into the street.<br />
May God Bless our beautiful country and rid us of these Godless Charlatan Rotten Lawyers who destroy rather than fix.  heartless sons of a guns.  their Ship has rotted and they are no longer the Captains of their souls.</p>
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		<title>By: sawdustking</title>
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		<dc:creator>sawdustking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 03:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And what unforeseen consequences might this award have in the healthcare industry throughout California and the rest of the country?&quot; 
 
I&#039;d say all those libs in CA will have to eat crow and drive their grandmas and grandpas to Yuma to be well cared for by legal immigrants.  Looks like another growth industry for Arizona. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;And what unforeseen consequences might this award have in the healthcare industry throughout California and the rest of the country?&quot; </p>
<p>I&#039;d say all those libs in CA will have to eat crow and drive their grandmas and grandpas to Yuma to be well cared for by legal immigrants.  Looks like another growth industry for Arizona.</p>
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		<title>By: Hesed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hesed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 02:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, can you?  Why do you assume my comment had anything to agree/disagree with the award in the case?  
  
It&#039;s my opinion, and I&#039;m right. 
 
There should be MINIMUM standards, and facilities should exceed those standards, not attempt to comply and end up with the occasional oops, that&#039;s just part of the challenges of the business, attitude. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, can you?  Why do you assume my comment had anything to agree/disagree with the award in the case?  </p>
<p>It&#39;s my opinion, and I&#39;m right. </p>
<p>There should be MINIMUM standards, and facilities should exceed those standards, not attempt to comply and end up with the occasional oops, that&#39;s just part of the challenges of the business, attitude.</p>
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		<title>By: Hucbald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hucbald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jul 2010 01:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawyers create nothing, produce nothing, and provide no essential service that a man can&#039;t live without, and yet our legal system allows them to become rich by suing those in our society who create, produce, and provide.  Why?  Oh yeah, lawyers make the law, judge the law, prosecute the law, and represent us before the law. 
 
Nice little racket they have going there. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyers create nothing, produce nothing, and provide no essential service that a man can&#039;t live without, and yet our legal system allows them to become rich by suing those in our society who create, produce, and provide.  Why?  Oh yeah, lawyers make the law, judge the law, prosecute the law, and represent us before the law. </p>
<p>Nice little racket they have going there.</p>
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