Obamacare Will Kill Medical Technology
by Warner Todd HustonIn 2008 Patrick Swayze was treated with an advanced medical tool called a “CyberKnife.” It helped add months to his life as he tried to beat the cancer that was consuming him. But, Swayze wasn’t the only American with the good fortune to have this highly advanced medical technology available to him. In fact, there are 100 such machines across the United States. From California, to Minnesota, to Illinois and Washington D.C. Americans currently have the luxury of these wonderful new devices.
Sadly, Britons are not so lucky. There are two CyberKnife machines in the Britain, but they aren’t going to do anyone in the country’s socialist healthcare system any good because despite how successful these machines are British authorities won’t allow them to be used on patients.
Despite that the Mount Vernon cancer hospital in London is part of the National Health Services, despite that they spent £3m to purchase the machine, and quite despite the praise the machines receive in the U.S. and throughout the world, British NHS authorities won’t let NHS doctors use the machine on their patients.
Sadly, these heartless, uncaring socialist healthcare officials are uninterested in helping the estimated 10,000 British patients a year that could benefit from use of the CyberKnife. And why is this? Why, it’s because the treatments are expensive, of course.
You see money is far, far more important to Britain’s socialist healthcare system then patients.
As I said above, the U.S. is lucky to have many of these machines on our shores. In fact we have 100 of the 150 machines world-wide, all available for anyone that needs them. But this happy situation will not survive the implementation of America’s own socialist healthcare system when it institutes its rationing rules as the English have done. Sooner rather than later advanced tools like the CyberKnife will be eschewed as too expensive by Obamacre bean counters and such advanced technology will dwindle and wither away despite the lives it could save.
This is what is meant when it is said that Obamacare features death panels. After all, a socialist healthcare system that won’t pay for advanced technology because it’s just too darn expensive — just as is happening right now in England — is a defacto death panel.
And don’t imagine that this is just hyperbole. The same situation exists in nearly every country that has the kind of socialist healthcare that Barack Obama wants to force on the U.S.A. That’s why so many foreigners come to the U.S. for their advanced treatments. After all, one has to understand that there is a reason that America has 100 of the 150 machines that exist in the world today.
It is true that Obamacare does not provide for death panels in its legislation. But it doesn’t have to when its price control measures and rationing will eliminate the sort of life saving tools that technology will bring us, technology that Obamacare will destroy.
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If these machines were truly "available to anyone who needs them", we wouldn't have needed health care reform.
And this argument is "just hyperbole". The fact that a few rich people come to his country every year for health care does not mean they couldn't get care in their own country. It just means that they have money to spend and want to take their chances here. Here in Texas we have folks that choose to leave Dallas and go to Houston for surgeries that are available in the Metroplex. Does that mean health care in Houston is better than Dallas? Of course not.
Warner here gets his misinformation about British health care from right wing web sites.
The reason that we have 100 of the 150 in the world is that they are being put to use. Britian has 2. Typically, your information is simply made up to serve your purpose.
Look at the incidence of cancer, heart disease, etc… in the US – it is higher than other countries. Prevention would go a long way further than some devilish looking automated butcher machine like this.
You're saying that they don't have rationing problems in Britain? Are you serious?
So right now 80 or 90% of Americans could get access to one of those machines if a doctor thought it would help.
Will you be happy when 0% of Americans have access to new technology, like 0% of the British? I mean that would be "fair" right? More outstanding logic from the left.
Not only will Obama Care kill Medical Technology, anything that Obama reaches out and touches will suffer a pox upon their houses. By the time these juvenille amatuers are voted out of office in 2010 and ultimately in 2012, the greatest economy in the world will be reduced to the level of Greece, Portugal and Spain. America will become a Banana Republic, akin to Nigeria.
You seem to be getting your misinformation about health care from left wing web sites. Most people who go to Houston for surgeries and treatments feel that M. D. Anderson offers better treatment. I chose to go to Baylor because I felt that was the best place for me. The point is, we actually have the OPTION to go somewhere else, and yes anyone who needs it can get CyberKnife. They even have one in Tyler, TX. With the type of cancer I have, CyberKnife was not an option.
You negate your own argument when you say that people "choose to leave Dallas and go to Houston". If you were in GB you wouldn't have that option. You go where you are told.
Prediction here…..
ObamaCare is so unpopular now with thinking people,
that when it's full impact really hits in say 5 years, even the brain-dead will find it unpalatable.
That is why it must be repealed and the few teeeks necessary to our tremendous existing system,
be implemented before we are all doomed to long waits and short life spans…
Name a case where someone was refused access to this device…..
How many 'rich people' come to the US for treatment every year? Also do they choose to spend money to travel here and pay for treatment that they can get at home for free, or do they choose to do so because this system shows better results?
Could people possibly be going to Houston for treatment because they recieve it sooner or cheaper than in Dallas….?
What is your proof that because a web site is labeled 'right wing' (the UK Guardian…?), that nothing that is posted there is true? Additionally, how can that same argument not support a similar conclusion about a web site labeled 'left wing' (HuffPo, DailyKos, MoveOn, etc)?
Provide cogent answers to these questions (since your post consisted of vague, unsourced accusations without demonstrating anything as factual), and then perhaps a rational debate can begin.
And remember to show your work…… <g>
It's a good thing prevention has NOTHING to do with rationing that will result in the halt of advancement of medical technology!
Better prevention will obviously reduce the need for the AMOUNT of people using the technology, but are you cool with letting the lesser people that do just die sooner because we drove the medical research and tech business into the ground?
@ mikatollah…you really think that foreigners come here for health care just because they have the money and they like to travel? You are truly delusional. The media and the left have done exactly what they set out to do with you, brainwash you miserably. You really should start reading a bit more and maybe you'll have an "Aha" moment. Get yourself informed on what's really going on. Nothing in life is free, even though the libs have brainwashed you into thinking health care will be under their plan. Maybe you didn't read it's been confirmed now that health care is going to skyrocket. You'll be lucky if you even get a family doctor…maybe they'll have lotteries for family doctors like Canada does?
reposted into the proper thread….
Name a case where someone was refused access to this device…..
How many 'rich people' come to the US for treatment every year? Also do they choose to spend money to travel here and pay for treatment that they can get at home for free, or do they choose to do so because this system shows better results?
Could people possibly be going to Houston for treatment because they recieve it sooner or cheaper than in Dallas….?
What is your proof that because a web site is labeled 'right wing' (the UK Guardian…?), that nothing that is posted there is true? Additionally, how can that same argument not support a similar conclusion about a web site labeled 'left wing' (HuffPo, DailyKos, MoveOn, etc)?
Provide cogent answers to these questions (since your post consisted of vague, unsourced accusations without demonstrating anything as factual), and then perhaps a rational debate can begin.
And remember to show your work…… <g>
C'mon people, each of you is just as entrenched in your view of Healthcare as you state the author is. Heard of something more common than the cyberknife, like say a PET scanner. Great advancement in scanning technology. Actually helps separate the bad things from the OK things that don't need treatment. In Canada, Ontario specifically, just a year or two ago, the government was refusing to allow the installation and use of PET scanners because they were "experimental" and didn't want to pay for the technology. A medical classmate of mine, working in a rural area serving a large portion of the Province of Manitoba tells me the only way they could get a CT scanner was by a private donation matching half the cost and then a five year approval process to get permission to install the thing. At a local hospital here in Richmond, British Columbia, they have a fund raising sign out front with the plaintive plea, "Please help us buy an MRI scanncer. This hospital serves about half a million people and they don't have an MRI scanner. My sister-in-law, who is actively self-employed at 62, can't get her rotator cuff repaired. Guess why. Her doctor tells her she's "reached an age where the surgery isn't considered beneficial". The statistics out of Great Britain's NHS aren't "made up" by conservatives and if you did any research, which you won't other than your "left wing" websites, you'd find this out. Oh, wait, you'd have to keep an open mind. Never mind. The "automated butcher machines" you callously would deny others are the result of US innovation. Don't want to look at that, consider other things, like implantable defibrillators, insulin pumps, laparoscopic surgeries, and the drugs that help you avoid more severe problems. All the result of the innovations by American Medicine and all things unlikely to be funded by the government. What medical lifesaving device has come out of the government labs, pray tell.
Also, here in the US, you have the choice of paying out of pocket if your health insurance won't cover a treatment. The Brits don't have that option. Once again a liberal is shooting from the hip completely from emotion rather than reason. Go check your own facts, then come back. Just because a site is "rightwing" doesn't mean the information isn't factual. Sometimes I find nuggets of fact on left wing sites, too.
How many leaders of socialist countries come to the US for treatment?
PM of Italy, Berlusconi, had heart surgery at the Cleveland Clinic in 2006.
The King of Saudi Arabia travels to the Mayo Clinic for his annual checkups.
Hell, even the Newfoundland Premier (roughly, a Governor) came to the US for heart surgery. Oops, I thought Canada was the shining light of health care?
Ask the woman on Oregon's state health care program who was told that the state would not foot the bill to treat her cancer because it was too expensive, but they would be happy to foot the bill should she choose doctor-assisted suicide.
Canadian premies routinely get sent over the border to US hospitals because there simply aren't enough hospital beds on their side of the border.
Canada has so few MRI machines that you often have to wait as long as six months for a scan. I pass by at least three or four separate MRI facilities on my way to work. Every MRI I've ever had has been within a week of the doctor's orders.
No matter how much government taxes its people, it cannot adequately foot the bill for the medical needs of the entire populace without making cuts and sacrifices. There are articles about horrific conditions in the British NHS on a weekly basis in British newspapers.
You are an embarrassment to Texas (and I'm from California).
Are liberals able to comprehend simple concepts at all?
I am hoping by then, we will either repeal it completely or at the very least, gut it like a fish.
Ignorance truly IS bliss, isn't it.
Rhetorical, right? Of course troll is cool with letting people die from cancer through refusing them advanced treatment, because he believes it's a judgment on lifestyle instead of a random cell mutation (wonder what Lance Armstrong did wrong…).
Remember back when AIDS was the shiny new popular cause (like "uninsured" are now), and people were berated for separating AIDS patients into "good victims" (acquired virus through transfusions or other "innocent" ways) and "bad victims" (acquired virus through sharing needles, promiscuity, or homosexual contact)? You weren't allowed to shake your head at an AIDS patient not matter how much anonymous barebacking they had done. All this emphasis on "prevention" over "treatment" is going to lead to the same phenomenon, only this time government and celebrities aren't going to defend the people who "deserve" their illness because they lived an "immoral" meat-eating desk-job life, they're going to demonize them.
Yes, who needs modern technology to heal someone when they should have prevented whatever it was on their own.
/sarc
I guess we should stop taking care of car accident victims too. No matter whose fault it was, an ounce of prevention could have kept it from happening.
This is like a needle in a haystack, amongst all the advanced technology that will slowly,
mysteriously fade from sight and eventually our short term memory. Someday, deep in
bowels of some huge science museum one of these machines will be studied as we
study the tombs within the pyramids. They will disassemble it in an attempt to determine,
what was this thing used for, and how did it work?
We're headed in the wrong direction gang,
We never want to go back to leeches and bloodletting!
FIGHT on PATRIOTS !
That machine looks cool, so right off the bat, we know you need to get your eyes examined (though, under Obamacare, you only really need one eye and half your teeth).
"Prevention" is NOT something I need the government to help me with. You don't need it either, whatreallyhappened. Here, let me help you:
1) eat right
pray
2) exercise
3) sleep right
4) wash your hands often
5) give more than you receive
6) get and stay married
7) attend and be involved in a Bible-based church
9) stop and smell the coffee and/or roses
10) develop solid reasoning skills so you won't keep making silly comments here.
You said "Obama" and "Banana" in the same statement. RACIST.
You know the sorts of thinking government-run care creates? In Britain, you have two eyes. Obviously you really only need one, so if you get wet macular degeneration, they will only treat you if you either have it in both eyes or have already lost one eye. Why is that? Well, it's because the drugs that treat it effectively are too expensive to be used just to save an eye when the person in question has another perfectly good eye available.
Additionally, thousands in European nations go without proper arthritis care because their government deem it a waste of time and money to improve the quality of life of those who are not productive in society and will be dying soon anyhow.
Here's a link to a PDF document that details some of the fun you can have when the government decides what steps you and your doctor can take to safeguard your health.http://www.nationalcenter.org/ShatteredLives.html
So Canada not only has death panels, it has suffering panels and your sister-in-law is now under their soulless care. I am so sorry she must suffer.
Rationed health care will mean illegals will be killing legal citizens by taking away their health care rations.
Illegal aliens in this country will receive health care and it will be rationed away from legal citizens who need it to provide for illegal immigrants who broke the law to get here.
This is about the civil rights of the people who are already here. We will suffer and die because of the new health care rationing system that Peter Orzag admitted will be rationed. Lack of technology is another example of the slow death of health care in this country.
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Trolla get his misinformation from West Wing web sites…
Mikatollah said, 'If these machines were truly "available to anyone who needs them", we wouldn't have needed health care reform.'
hey mikatollah, thanks for starting off with such a telling comment. in America we also have shoes, vegetables, plywood, baseball caps and replacement parts for washing machines "available to anyone who needs them". But, only liberals have the arrogant expectation that any or all of these things should be had for free (ie: purchased using the confiscated earnings of someone other than yourself).
As for your analogy regarding the quality of healthcare in certain parts of Texas having any relevance at all on the superior quality of the healthcare in the US vs. most of the rest of the world, I can only say that you're the first liberal I've heard try to argue that. Are you really trying to say that the quality of our health care is not superior to that of countries whose inhabitants choose to get their health care here?!?
All heath care is rationed. We ration it here in the U.S… based on your ability to afford insurance.
Reminds me of a phil ochs song.
{paraphrasing from memory}
America is a land filled with shady characters, but the most shady of these is the Liberal.
10 degrees to the left of center in good times, 10 degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally…
…
When my brain tumor was first found, I discussed the use of the CyberKnife with a radiological oncologist (dontcha love these job titles?) and it was decided that it’s use or any other radiation therapy should be left in his pocket as a last resort treatment. (I am lucky that this machine is available in Las Vegas.) Instead, I went on chemo therapy for 18 months, with no favorable results.
Now with ObamaCare, the government will pick the pockets of my doctors and the CyberKnife will not be available to me when and if it’s use would possibly be life saving.
Thank you for this timely news.
Even though you chose to go to Baylor for treatment you could have been treated in Dallas… many who are not so well off are treated there everyday.
Hope you get better soon.
Looks like you stepped in it big time with this really ignorant comment…
I understand the "CyberKnife" is good for brain surgery….
I believe you are the perfect candidate for the new Medulla Oblongata, you know,
the section of the brain that regulates common sense and practically..
Hey, get in line now…!!
I'll tell you what. You sign up for a Breitbart account and I will.
You are insane if you believe that the obamanation that passed congress is going to help people afford insurance. Even the government now says (once it was passed, of course) that it will cost more.
Don't expect a reply from micky about this one. Here in Oregon that incident is just below the surface ready to explode again. This case is the reason that politicians around here keep their mouths shut about health care
As in Oregon, so will go the country…..
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Mik, as usual you are a blooming idiot. Let me tell you a story… After college, I didn't have a cent to my name, I became very ill and was taken to the hospital. The hospital knew I was unable to pay and had no insurance. I spent 2 week in ICU and 3 more weeks in the hospital. By the time I was released, I had rung up about $58,000 worth of medical treatment. I never paid a dime of that.
You know not of what you speak. So until you have some real facts just shut up.
Obviously our system of private and public health insurance can't do it either (adequately foot the bill). Because if it could, we would have no need for health care reform.
Really good post! And right on the money as far as a prediction of what the future holds.
"…the shiny new popular cause..", a great line. I'm stealin' it.
The hate is strong in this one… for Mexicans.
Houston does have better healthcare than Dallas. And, you're still an idiot.
Absolutely factually wrong. Every single, major medical institute in this country maintains multi-million dollar accounts for the express purpose of paying the costs of treatment for the uninsured and patients who could not otherwise afford to pay for it. Catholic hospitals and other religious and non-religious organizations provide charitable funds for the purpose of paying uninsured medical costs.
You are such an illogical thinker, a blatant liar, and a blind ideologue that you don't even realize that you are little more than an irritating fool.
Get an education, or STFU.
That statement is only racist to a racist. And it wasn't very funny. If you are going to make racist statements at least try and be clever.
When and if this machine is important to YOUR life, it might not look so devilish then.
And there is no "preventing" the tumor I have. It is a chromosomal phenom. Nothing I did or could have done caused this and nothing my parents did or didn't do caused it.
Now back up and think before you start typing. You have no knowledge of what you write, obviously!
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What I don't understand is why GB bought two of these Cyberknives if they're not going to use them? Why even spend that part of their budget on those things that will just sit there gathering dust, when they could have used that budget money wisely and treated more patients? It just goes to show that governments shouldn't be in charge of health care because of the rampant inability to properly manage their budgets in prioritizing the use of their funds. They would buy the shiny new expensive toys that won't be used when they could have treated more patients with the wasted money.
Perfectly sane here…. and I fully expect health care reform to have a positive impact on health care delivery in this country. It's a first step of many to come. So buckle up.
Personal insults are just never a good call. They never change someone's opinion of you, and they leave you feeling empty inside. That is why I avoid them whenever possible.
I was about to respond with almost the exact same post as yours. Judging by his response, you pretty much ended that argument.
So you do believe that obama care will raise the cost of health care. That was the question at hand.
Here's another. How will raising the cost help people that can't afford it now? It seems contradictaryto me.
And under obama care you will be paying a whole lot more. That is if your above statement is truthful. I have some doubts about that. You don't seem too altruistic to me.
- Having devoted my life to practicing and teaching as a Registered Nurse, I can say that from the first day, years ago, that buerocratic agencies, such as HMOs imposed themselves between the patient and the Physician we had trouble. Obamacare and all Government Agency Regulated Healthcare is dangerous for all of us.We only needed to refine the system, not take it over and smother it.
There should be no government mandates regarding the practice of Medicine, and certainly no laws that attempt to dictate and regulate what our brilliant Doctors, Nurses and health care Professionals can and cannot do to save & improve the lives of ALL patients. We already care for patients who have no insurance. Allow inter-state Insurance competition.
-I have cared for desperate patients from other countries who were on their last leg. They were victims of Government regulations and dictates. It's pathetic and inhumane.These patients come to America, the country of Free Enterprise,& Innovation,where we have heretofore been free to create and implement the best medical techniques & the finest medications & equipment possible, and the highest standard of care for ALL. Repeal Obamacare and kill Socialism.
I don't mean to underestimate the damage that obama and the leftists have done and will do, that cannot be overstated. But it's important to remember that as long as the critical infrastructures and the general population are still in place at the end of this regime, we WILL have the opportunity to restore some of the basic economic principles that drive the American economic engine.
I'm not saying we fix the ship of state overnight. But we can change our direction, and if done right, we may see this country rebuild in much less time than it's taken to tear it down.
It starts with us, with these People-centered conversations, that leads to a mindset, that leads to policy. Don't give up CL. We're not done yet.
"Prevention" is NOT something I need the government to help me with.
You don't need the government to prevent your food being poisoned with pesticides?
Yeah. Interesting that it takes offense at my tag-line, when it should really take offense at its own idiocy.
The way insurance works is it distributes risk over a broad pool of people. Car insurance wouldn't work if only bad drivers were required to purchase it. Life insurance wouldn't work if only old people wanted to purchase it.
The reason health insurance hasn't worked for many of us is that too many people opt out of the system. Forty years ago we passed a law that said medical professionals could not turn people away for the lack of payment in emergency cases, so they know if they crack their head open, someone is going to sew them up, and someone else is going to pay for it. I can't tell you how many times I've heard a young person say, "I'll just assume the risk". Well, that's nonsense. We are the ones who assume the risk.
The other thing that was lost in our "emergency care only" approach to health care is primary care. And the return of an emphasis on primary health care is what is going to curb the rate of increase in the cost of health care. This legislation makes primary care more available and affordable to more people. In the long run we will all benefit.
That's right genuis….We DO need health care delivery reform….. Not a socialist overhaul of the entire system….But that's what we got with Obamacare, right? Despite the consent of the governed….. God, I cannot wait until November……
Our friend Jim here was probably the beneficiary of Medicaid or some state sponsored version of it. Since he didn't have any assets to attach he wasn't forced into bankruptcy and yet somehow he thinks that makes his case that we don't need health care reform. What if we to go back to him today and call in that $58k now that he has a little more wealth? Would that be fair? We saved his life, aren't we entitled to some payback?
I believe that health care is a right and not a privilege and I'm glad Jim wasn't thrown into debt right out of school by some misfortune. But I find it disingenuous when he comes back 20 years later and wants government out of his health care.
Micky, you need an education about arguementation. If you start with a false premise, the entire arguement is un-sound.
'… we would have no need for health care reform." We don't and never did need health care reform. This is just another false "crisis" put out for the ignorants' consumption. False premise.
Like that's the goal of all farmers and pesticide makers: to kill their customers?
You are a moron! Your arguments hold nothing.
My dear Mr Fang, (brit accent) Surely you realize the British have Royals who could per chance
require the advantage of a CyberKnife in their treatment by a specialist physician flown from the
Colonies.
No doubt! Capitalism at work – if someone could afford it, they'd fly in a specialist and get it done at their own expense, as they're the ones with the deep pockets. But using it on the common folk? No way – costs too much for them!
Your first point about turning not away patients is valid, but it is not sound. If the care giver wants to persue payment, they have that right. In our courts. No person with assets ever got charity care. BTW, I'll leave the decision about charity care to the doctors and hospitals.
Your next point is even less sound. Just look to the experiment in Mass. Their "health care reform" did nothing to curb emergency room visits. Enough said.
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Me too Chicago Way…… Lets clean house in November! including the Health Care Bill, and all the other Socialist Power Grabs that Obama/Pelosi/Reid and the lovely Union Leaders are intent on Ramming through.
Do you think they are looking out for the welfare of hard working, law abiding American citizens? Hmmm…..voting in November….. Who will be guarding the Ballot Boxes this time? More Mickey Mouse, and dead people's votes?
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They want the shorter life spans. When Grayson said that the Republicans health care plan is for "you to die quickly" he was really talking about his own party. Another case of deflecting the facts on the other guy.
You're still an idiot.
Our current health care system has been a political issue for at least the last 15 years and the predictions of out of control costs and huge groups of uninsured have come to pass. The system is unsustainable and the market system has failed to provide adequate, affordable care. Now we are going to regulate it up like a public utility and see if that works. I promise you that if it doesn't, the next step is single payer.
"applause" for saying what everyone else would've like to!
Hospitals don't have a choice for the most part, and they never do anything for charity. If they are forced to provide care for one who can't pay they raise the rates for all the others. It is a hidden tax that we all pay on the most inefficient form of care… emergency medical.
Massachusetts (Romneycare) is very similar to what we will all have in a few years. It's recent problems have been due to the economy and not the program.
You have no inherent right to any good or service another human being provides. That argument leads to slavery because when the provider of the good or service in question is forced to provide it, they have no right to enjoy the fruits of their labors.
If you were stranded on an island with no other human beings around, what happens to your so-called right to health care?
Also, you forget to tally into your accounting of costs that fact that government insurance programs (Medicare and Medicaid) routinely pay pennies on the dollar for the medical procedures they "cover." That underpayment has to be made up somewhere and it is foisted off on those of us with our own insurance. Adding more government control to the equation isn't going to reverse that which is why the government finally admitted that medical costs will only go up under Obamacare.
There's no hate here. Just impatience for ideologues and idiots.
You contradict yourself every other post you make.
Sorry if my opinion offends. It's a risk you take on bg.com… that someone will disagree with you. If you internalize the differences it becomes anger and then hate. Then you end up saying silly things to vent your frustration and feel foolish. So let it go.
There are lots of problems to be solved in the future, the shortage of primary care physicians is just one of them. We can only take one step at a time.
Because you can't support your arguments I'm supposed to let it go?
How about you start thinking before you spew on the keyboard statements that cannot be defended?
Take your own advice and let it go… you've sunk your own boat, pal.
No doubt it's a political move. They figure their citizens are dumb enough that they'll be content knowing their government has the latest even though they are unaware that it won't actually be used to benefit anyone.
I call BS on that! I had over $70,000 worth of medical care (which I paid back by the way) WITHOUT insurance. I had a craniotomy and ICU and MRIs and a world class physician. And I'm not wealthy either. I'm a nurse.
I just took care of a 43 year old HOMELESS man who had a quadruple bypass. His care was not rationed.
Once again, you know not of what you speak.
Now see, you are going to have to live with that on your account forever.
It would become meaningless… just like all your other rights become meaningless in the absence of people.
Everything in health care is not about you. But I hope you are feeling better.
Not really. I can live, I can pursue happiness, and I am certainly at liberty in isolation. In addition, I have the right to property which would be anything I can produce through my own efforts: food, clothing, shelter. I have the right to try to keep myself as healthy as I can which is as close to a right to health care as anyone gets.
I can pursue those things in isolation.
And if something happens that interferes with life – serious illness or injury, I can experience why I have no right to health care. Doctors will not appear out of the aether to attend my every need.
You really are pathetically dumb.
when you can't argue a point you turn it into something irrelevant. So far you have not been able to defend your point to any one here who has countered you.
I don't have a problem with the truth being on my account, in fact, I am proud. Idiot.
I, like most people (look at the polls), am satisfied with my health insurance. It is worth every cent that I pay in premiums. My costs have gone up proportionally with other cost over the time period you talk about. Your facts are again, bogus. Health insurance reform has only been an issue to people that wish to create more of a nanny state. And wish for more control over individuals lives. Ain't gonna work.
Your arguements are full of half truths and deceptive "facts".
"It's recent problems have been due to the economy and not the program." Prime example. You are wrong, but I guess if it makes you feel better, then you have accomplished your goal.
I'm sorry, but it is one of your endowed inalienable rights. I understand though that as you are likely an atheist, you don't believe that anyone other than an agency of man can endow any rights on you. On this fundamental point we will always stand divided.
"There are lots of problems to be solved in the future, the shortage of primary care physicians is just one of them."
There you go again. Solving problems that this bill will create? Why not be rational and repeal the bill and eliminate the problem? Quite an easy solution or are there other issues that prevent this approach?
My only wish is for a health care delivery system that works for all Americans. It was Nixon's idea to make it for profit. It was Reagan's idea to create insurance pools with HMOs. Both ideas were implemented to give us affordable health insurance and have not worked. Time for some new ideas.
Most people I know who are really happy with their health insurance are healthy and employed. When that changes their happiness factor shifts quickly.
Micky, if you are going to call people out for posts that actully have some passion, then lose the snark. Or could it be that losing the debate on the issue is making you a touch defensive?
This bill did not create a doctor shortage. Our short sighted health care decisions created the shortages. Repealing this law will not make that go away.
Amen…. (sorry, couldn't resist)
Maybe I'm just an idiot (and I'm sure many people will respond to this post by calling me one) but I don't understand how Obamacare will have any impact on medical technology. Obamacare does not come anywhere close to creating a system like the one in Britain. It is just a very bad bill that requires everyone to purchase insurance and says that if you cannot afford it, your neighbor has to help pay for your insurance. It is financially unsustainable but it does not create a "government-run" healthcare system.
In fact, Obamacare shouldn't even be referred to as a healthcare bill; it is more of a health insurance bill. The only direct impact I can see it having on the actual medical care industry is that it could lead to doctor shortage and longer wait times because millions of people who don't have insurance will now have insurance, which means they will be more likely to go to the doctor.
I wasn't insulting you….I was giving you advice…
I also believe you are some kind of Michael Walsh "plant" to make
obviously outrageous statements, in order to stir the pot and attract a
plethora of very spot on commentary…
So you are suggesting that I'm wrong because… I'm wrong?
My goal is accessible, affordable, quality health care for all Americans. I think we can make it happen as long as we are not sidetracked by special interest money or ideologues with a right wing agenda.
I wasn't insulting you…I was providing needed advice….
i believe you are some kind of Michael Flynn "plant", making
outrageous statements in order to unleash a plethora of intelligent
commentary…
Hey…Seems to work…
I think you're on to something there, Roxi…!!!
Don't get sick….Unless you're bleeding, you gonna wait…
There is no one on this list that is more passionate about health care reform than I am. I've been working for this for a long time.
It never would have happened were it not for the incompetence of the right wing in this country.
The bill absolutely does create the doctor shortage. What do you think the increase of 30 million people will do to our health care system?
Just more dodge ball. The jury is in. You have lost the debate due to lack of coherent ideas.
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