Old GOP Doesn’t ‘Get’ Tea Parties
by Warner Todd HustonNeil Cavuto of Fox News had a visit with former Vice President Dan Qualyle on Jan 13. Ostensibly the interview was about the earthquake in Haiti and the efforts that Quayle was saying needed to be made for the victims there, but Cavuto also asked the former veep about his feelings about the Tea Party movement. Quayle’s reply was revealing in that he proved that he really didn’t know how to think about the Tea Partiers. I think that Quayle is in exactly the same confused state that most of the old guard GOP is. They just don’t get it.
Cavuto asked what Quayle thought of the Tea Party movement and what it portended for the Republican Party and Quayle’s reply was that the GOP had to “co-opt” the Tea Partiers back into the GOP.
Sorry, Dan old pal, but that is wrong, wrong, wrong. The GOP had better understand that it is the Tea Partiers that have the upper hand here and the party also better understand that THEY must be the ones to become “co-opted.” It ain’t the other way ’round, Danny!
Transcript:
N.Cavuto: What do you think of that whole Tea Party stuff… are you worried about that, that it divides conservative votes, what?
D.Quayle: It is somewhat of a traditional American populist movement. Populism has always been part of American politics.
N.C.: But is it a potent third party?
D.Q.: Well that’s an important question. I don’t know yet. We’ll find out beginning in 2010 and probably more so in 2012. But here’s the challenge of my Party, is basically to co-opt the populist movement, the so-called Tea Party Folks whether they are Republicans or Democrats, because they are low taxes, they are for less regulations, they’re for less government interference, which are many principles of the Republican Party. To be able to get them within the Party with our basic principles rather than having them outside the Party…
N.C.: But when they target like I think they have Mr. Vice President, a dozen of so so-called vulnerable Republicans who do not march to all of these principles, what does that risk? Are you worried about it or is it healthy?
D.Q.: I’m not concerned about it right now because I think that most of them will join the Republican Party because they want to see government smaller, less involved in their lives, and they want less taxes, and they want less regulation, and they are for a strong national defense….
First of all, Mr. Veep, the Tea Party movement is in no way a “traditional” populist movement. All traditional populist movements of the past were more or less one issue movements and few were so grounded in traditional Constitutional theory as are the Tea Parties. Anti-liquor folks were just anti-liquor, silver bug folks were all about setting the monetary standard to silver, women’s suffrage were only about getting women the vote, etc. etc. Few of these populist movements had much interest in a greater array of issues once you got past their one, big issue.
But the Tea Party movement is not merely anti-bailout, or just low taxes, small government, pro-Constitutionalists, or anti-communists. They are all these things and more. It should be pointed out that all of the issues that the Tea Partiers stand for are traditional American concepts, not sudden populist issues that may or may not be grounded in Constitutional theory and American tradition like most other populist movements in the past have been.
Additionally, Quayle speaks about the Republican Party as if it has been about small government, less regulations,and the rest. But it has not. Not since Reagan has the GOP been about those things. This is why the Tea Partiers are saying that they are just as mad at the GOP as they are the Democrat Party.The Tea Party folks do not want to just meekly return to the Republican Party if it continues in the Country Club, big government vein in which it has been operating since 1989.
Quayle may not be “worried” about it now, but he should be. This all seems to me to be the sort of backwards thinking that all the old guard GOPers are blinded by. These guys just don’t get it that the Tea Party goers have the political power here. They don’t understand that their flawed Country Club Republican way of thinking has been rejected by the people. If they want to stay in power, the GOP better come to terms with the ideals and principles as espoused by the nation-wide phenomenon that is the Tea Party movement.
Now, let me here say that I’ve always had a begrudging respect for Dan Quayle. He has always exhibited, for instance, the sort of staunch support of traditional marriage that I appreciate. I also thought he withstood well the leftist assault on him when he was VP. But he is still a member of the old guard and here he reveals that he and his ilk are out of the loop when it comes to what to think about the Tea Party movement.
You can’t “co-opt” us, Mr. Quayle. You will be lucky if WE co-opt YOU!
Here is the full Cavuto segment (Tea Party talk at about seven minutes in).
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Right on….corruption is on both sides of the aisle!
embarrassing for this Hoosier… i do believe that one must have a lobotomy to enter the beltway.
It's no wonder the GOP uses the elephant as a symbol. They're slow to turn and thick as hell. On the other hand, once you get them moving in the right direction, they can do a lot of work for you.
Don't worry folks, the GOP beast will be tamed by the people. And in time, so will the democrats.
Why is Cavuto interviewing Dan Quayle? He's as relevant in 2010 politics as Walter Mondale is on the left…
To the GOP & DNC either sign up or get out of the way.
"The Tea Party folks do not want to just meekly return to the Republican Party if it continues in the Country Club, big government vein in which it has been operating since 1989."
Sorry, but that's BS. The Republican Party has always been the party of Big Government. Reagan and Coolidge were exceptions.
The Republican Party has been for more and bigger government since Lincoln who trashed the Constitution in worse ways than any president since, with the possible exception of Woodrow Wilson. The modern Republican Party is the party of Theodore Roosevelt, a pioneer in the Progressive Movement of the early 20th century. He and the rest of the blue blood elitists that have controlled the party for the last hundred years are the real Republicans. We are the RINOS not Bush, McCain, Romney or Quayle.
The Republican Party must be euthanized and their leadership must be banned from the Tea Party. We don't want or need the country club crony capitalists who pose as free marketeers. We don't need a president who "violates free market principles to save the free market:. We don't need their help, we don't want their "experience". All we need is to be rid of them, once and for all.
Good ol" Dan, the original GAFFE machine
As long as the candidate espouses adherence to the Constitution of the United States of America and practices what he/she preaches, they are all right with me. I am SICK of the mealy-mouthed politicians who swear fidelity to the Constitution then do something else entirely. SICK, I TELL YOU! That is what it is all about, Quayle!
I'll second that
Brown isn't conservative enough. Not nearly so.
Remember that Massachusetts Republicans follow the Romney mold – talk freedom while forging big chains.
If he wins we have to remind him that his election is a fluke and he will be a one term senator no matter what policies he follows. Therefore he might as well spend his time well and vote for the reduction of the government knowing that when his time in the Senate is over he will have a large grateful group of people eager to see him do well.
In case you were unaware, neo-conservative is an attack term coined up by liberals.
It means that you are a Backstabbing ex-Democrat Jew-loving War-monger.
Unless you enjoy slinging racist words of hate around…
The ultimate fate of this country rests with the individuals who've come together to say No More. It wasn't done through the Republican Party, in part because today's professional Republicans wanted nothing to do with such basic arguments on individual freedoms, taxes, and endless govt takeovers. Where are the Republicans who DEMAND no more govt interference with our health?
I believe most professional Republicans aren't thinking past the next election. Without the convictions of the Tea Partiers, expect to see 'kinder, gentler' versions of Obamanation even if Republicans take back the majority.
That would be true if right wing support had anything to do with the Jewish people. They need the Jewish state to fulfill biblical prophesy. They simply couch it in terms of support for Jews. Obviously American Jews see through this, so they vote for Democrats.
The back stabbing and war mongering is right on. So you get partial credit.
Yeah, I'm not ever sure what all this means. You seem to think that the tea party is some kind of huge movement, or even a party. You are certainly not "the people". At best, the tea party is a right wing interest group that is just big enough to tube the Republican party in a close election.
So party on…
Unfortunately, while I agree with what the "R" should mean, I find that in all too many cases, they don't really follow through on most of the ideals you mentioned. I don't think it has meant that for many many years.
Why would anyone want to interview Dan Quayle on any subject, except maybe if he was promoting the use of Spellcheck ?
It may mean an attack term to you, but is it really? With what you say it is, you buy into the idea of what the the Left is spewing…Therefore, that makes you look as if you agree with the left, and think it's a "bad word". It's just a word, nothing more, nothing less…
Sticks and stoned may break my bones, but words will never hurt me…
You're gonna have to have thicker skin than that if you want to do any good!
It's pretty obvious. It was an attempt to legitimize the tea party by getting a Republican insider to say something nice about them. It just didn't work because Quayle didn't get the talking point. Oooops…
Dan will probably walk it back in a week or so. We can't have him looking like the smart one.
But for Senator Snowe casting the only Senate vote "yea" (she claims so it would be out of committee and on the floor for discussion) Obamacare would not be this close to passing. SHE could have stopped it.
The tea party is one of the things that makes America great. It represents our right to say "we have had enough of being steamrolled by career politicians who represent themselves or special interests over the very people who elected them into office".
Mr. Huston is right, both parties are guilty of this. I think this party represents every responsible, hard working, freedom loving American who just wants to be treated fairly. Just my opinion.
You're right, Quayle isn't from the old guard, nor is he a neo-con…He's nothing. Somebody needs to tell him that the party is over, and he can go home now, thanks for bringing punch and cookies, but it's time to go now…
Cavuto must have had a slow news cycle that day…?
I missed the part in history where Reagan shrank the size of government. Now, he did manage to shift more of the tax burden to the middle class by "saving social security" and increasing payroll taxes while he cut taxes on the wealthy. He had a lot of help from the Fed and the Democrats in congress. Then he used the power of government to bail out the S&Ls after deregulation almost killed them… we are still paying on that deal.
The Tea Party Movement has nothing to do with the GOP and has everything to do with Conservatism. The quicker the Republicans get this through their thick skulls, the better. Americans are sick of voting R simply because it's the lesser of two evils. We want something to vote FOR! I'm a registered Independent who would happily vote for a Democrat if they espoused smaller less intrusive government and adherence to the Constitution. The sleeping giant is awakening.
I saw a good explanation of what is and is not a RINO recently. Just can't remember where since I did not bookmark it. A summary: A RINO is not a Republican like Scott Brown or Mark Kirk who gets elected in a deep blue state or district. That's pragmatism. A RINO is someone like Lindsey Grahamnesty who, in a red state with voters who are solid conservatives, chooses to move to the left to take positions not supported by his constituents (cap-and-tax, amnesty for illegal aliens, selling out constructionist judges) to the point of even insulting them
Just because you say it ain't so, don' t mean it ain't so…Keep telling yourself what you want, those that are a part of it, and are doing something about don't need your input. And it's not surprising that you're not sure what it all means…Not surprising at all…!
I believe the GOP, like the Dems will see the light after Tuesday's election in Massachusetts. Even if Coakley and her marxist hordes manage to stel the election, the fact that Scott Brown came very close will, or should, open EVERYONE's eyes to the fact that the American people are starting a new revolution and we will not tolerate the old guard and their cavalier attitudes toward us anymore. The American people are pissed off and not taking it anymore.
To both parties: listen to us or get out of the way!
Get out of the way of what? A bunch of angry marchers with teabags dangling from their headgear? If you want political opponents "out of the way" you must defeat them with ideas. Ideas that translate into votes at the polls.
Failing that, you are a fringe movement. Just because you have a couple of radio broadcasters and a TV network in your corner doesn't make you real movement or political party.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/06/t...
So basically, Republicans have already won regardless of who wins on Tuesday? And you have already ramped up the voter fraud machine to have an excuse when the voters reject your ideas.
This is the kind of thinking that got you into the minority. When you lose, you are out of power. Close doesn't count for anyone in politics.
Great point about the Tea Party movement being the first broad Consitutionally-based call for a smaller federal government. Let 2009 be its high tide. Don't be clever with that "so-called" label by the way. The only hope of Republican victory is to turn away from the principles (or lack thereof) of McCain/Bush and towards Tea Party/Reagan. People using that "so-called" label only identify themselves as part of the problem and not part of the solution.
watch this: http://versu.ro/top.php?page=4
Lol. The "party" has just begun. But you seem to still think this is all about "parties." It is not. This is about the people demanding Truth and Honor from their government. Maybe that's why you're not sure what all this means.
You missed the deregulation of the air waves which made talk radio possible as well as his breaking the stranglehold of unions with the firing of the air traffic controllers. You're wrong about shifting the tax burden. The rich paid a higher percentage of the total tax burden after Reagan than before. Real disposable income for the middle class increased under Reagan.
You're also wrong about the S&L "deregulation". It was a change in the regulations, not a true deregulation. Deregulation makes the banks responsible for their mistakes, not the public. Instead, congress continued the FDIC insurance and prohibited changes in the rates charged to banks thereby encouraging foolish risks. Reagan should have fought harder for full deregulation instead of what he got which only exacerbated an already over extended banking system.
Despite a military buildup designed to force the Soviet Union into an arms race that they could not afford, Reagan left office with federal expenditures lower (as a percentage of GDP) than when he entered. The only other president to do that was Clinton who actually did a better job of limiting the growth of expenditures than Reagan.
The worst president in terms of limiting expenditures was Bush II. He was absolutely awful. The only reason that he won't be remembered as the disaster he was is that Obama is an order of magnitude worse.
In the past we survived 17 years of abysmal government with Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Carter with the only damage being very slow economic growth and the temporary expansion of communism. Now our challenge is survive 8 years of Bush and possibly 8 more of Obama but with Obama we are looking at an increase in expenditures to nearly 26% of GDP which will destroy our economy.
the first it`s not good: http://versu.ro/l.john.a-957.html
ohhhh, they are going to "get it" all right.
Oh, I was talking about your post. I know exactly who the tea party is and I want all Americans to see you in action.
Why did the Republican Party fight for the 14th amendment if not to LIMIT government?
Hmm. More proof it's time to clean house in the GOP.
"We're gonna need a big broom for this one!"
I'm sure Dan Quayle is a nice guy. BUT, he needs to leave the Cavuto set, hop into his golf cart, zip back to the Country Club and work on his short game. His is a political voice that doesn't resonate at all,now.
Better that he play golf, participate in fund-reaising charities and make a contribution that is meaningful.
I have read and re-read what Quayle said and I fail to see the proplem
He seems to agree with the suppositions of less taxes and less govt
whats the problem? It appears to me many of these posters haven't read what he said
I dont think they are ever going to see it, until they are threatened by a tea party block in Congress, with the clout to raise hell and stop a few bills that need their support. THEN they'll see it.
They dont want to see it right now, you know its like the stages of shock; denial, fear, anger, realization, resignation. They are all in the denial stage right now. the press, the talking heads except for a few, and especially the politicians.
NO NO NO.
you one of those who do not understand.
If the republicans loose, the republicans loose, but the tea party movement wins a moral victory, by upsetting the paradigm. that this is "Ted Kennedy's seat" that the party leader himself had to come save.
I know its hard to think in reality based ideas, but you can do it.
When hate becomes a virtue the Tea Party will have a moral victory. For now you are an angry political mob in search of a cause.
This is why the Tea Party movement is PISSED at the GOP, because the leadership just doesn't get it. They're stuck in the "business as usual, let's get our earmarks too" mode. That is why the GOP is slowly disolving into irrelevance today. All of the excitement is focused on the Tea Party movement. Now is the the time to begin the genuine grass roots party building.
http://thevailspot.blogspot.com
Well, let's look at the neocons. That describes them perfectly. Horowitz, Perl, Wolfowitz, etc….. Like a guilty party, you don't want it pointed out you are guilty. So, attack the messenger.
He is a Zionist cult follower claiming to be conservative which makes him a NEOCON.
I am a constitutional conservative that will NEVER again hold my nose and vote for a RINO — EVER! I haven't voted GOP in almost 10 years! But I ALWAYS vote!
I can't imagine a better way to waste my vote than to give it to someone who will not adhere to those principles once they are in power. The power comes from the principles, NOT vice versa.
Wake up, GOP. You abandoned your principles — and with it, your conservative base! Now, conservatives are abadoning you in droves!
"In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." –Thomas Jefferson.
“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.” John Quincy Adams
I guess the problem is that the base of Republicans, being honest people themselves, are gullible because they can't believe they are being lied to. Didn't GWB triple the size of government? He DID say he wouldn't get us in to a war without a clear exit strategy and he did it TWICE (and wanting to do it 3 or more if he thought he could). But that was during the campaign.
Good article – though the heart of the Tea Parties is Ron Paul supporters.
As usual with Republicans, there is always the "other side of the story".
The rich pay a larger percentage of the tax burden now because they have more of the money. And corporations pay far less than they did under Reagan. Saving social security increased payroll taxes that were added to the general fund.
In an effort to make S&Ls competitive with the new money market funds, S&Ls were allowed to function as banks without banking regulation. This created a moral hazard when the government continued to insure deposits but without oversight. The meltdown was then just a matter of time. All this talk about full deregulation creating more responsible banking citizens is nonsense, and we saw the folly when the financial system nearly melted down in 2008.
Your claim that spending under Reagan decreased as a percentage of GDP is just wrong… at least according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office CBO). According to them, total federal spending in 1980 was 21.6 percent and rose to 22.9 percent by 1985. In 1990 it was 21.8 percent of GDP. And that did not include the full cost of the S&L bailout.
Bush II spending was also undercounted by fighting two wars "off budget". For some reason they chose to act like emergency funding bills are free and don't count in the deficits, but still count against the debt. So Obama includes the cost of the war in the budget out of principle and he is excoriated by the right.
Much of the deficit spending is driven by the recession. The government is the spender of last resort when business quit hiring, banks stop lending, and consumers stop spending. Historical spending levels will return when we are out of the recession.
The trick in the next two years is not to let the biggest recession in 70 years turn into a depression. That could destroy $50 trillion in wealth and scar a generation like the one in 1930 that damaged our grandparents and took the greatest government spending program in the history of the world to get us out… WWII
What ever Henry…
Message to Politicians, Bias Media and Special Interest Groups http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWDaWBCk0FE
I've said before and I'll say it again Dems and Repubs are two sides of the same evil coin heads they win tails WE THE PEOPLE lose.
The Democrats are demonizing us because they fear we will take votes and kick out their gang. LIBERTY minded Americans that KNOW the highest office in the land is not senator or congressman not president or judge. The highest oiffice in the land under our system of government is that of CITIZEN.
The Republicans have and or our now basing their new strategy on turning us from seeing the man behind the curtain. They are infiltrating and TRYING to co-opt people by dissuading people from remembering the damage done to our freedoms by 8 years of benevolent dictator G.W.Bush.
I pray WE THE PEOPLE never put on the offered blinders from either. My rule of thumb is: If I cannot start from my PATRIOTS HEARTdescribing a candidate as THE HONORABLE, I sure don't want that person watching over my freedoms. Thats for PATRIOTS.
I don't see that person in either lame stream party. I pray every night WE THE PEOPLE see beyond the marketing campaign from either.
Remember if we do not learn from history we are doomed to repeat it.
From now on, NO corruption, NO liberalism, NO lying, NO hidden agendas, and above all else NO RINOS !
There was a clear exit strategy….we win then we get out.
Exactly. I'd like to hear Quayle talk about how the Democrats co-opted the Republican Party. Not that we don't already know it.
Wow, the hate! Are you in training?
This is what I dont like :
"D.Quayle: It is somewhat of a traditional American populist movement. Populism has always been part of American politics."
The Tea Party movement is not a populist movement it is a return to something old…..triditional values, honesty and upholding the constitution. I do not think those are "popular" today.
Right on! No self-respecting Leftists will support the Jews. You're an excellent example.
That Youtube vid really does say it.
So true about Quayle. I saw that interview and thought then that he just did not get it. I think some Republicans are starting to realize the depth of the anger, determination, rage, fire – call it what you will.
Most are still completely out of touch. They need to go.
I have said this before but here goes. We the people need to take the time to review the candidates running for office this term and remove those who are holding office now. The founders tried to establish a government that was ruled by a strong legislature. That way, no matter who was president or vice president, the power of government was always in the hands of the people. That is why you can impeach the president and not a congressman. The power of the people is inviolate. Whoever they choose is who holds office. It is why the house holds the purse strings and not any other entity.
Choose congressmen who will do the following:
Take the oath of office as a sacred oath.
__Take responsibility for running the government, not rubber stamping the white house.
__Pledge to read all bills before voting on them and not allow votes until they are read.
__Legislate so-called CZARS out of existence.
__Work to repeal the 17th amendment completely.
__Abolish the Federal Reserve as unconstitutional.
__Change the income tax and payroll tax to a constitutional flat tax.
__the current code violates equal treatment principal
__Overturn all of Obama’s, Pelosi’s, and Reid’s agenda.
__Have the courage to override presidential vetos if they are contrary to the constitution.
__Another thing we the people need to do is take over the democratic and republican parties at all levels. Starting at the local level in the spring and the national level in the fall of 2010. Then in November we will all get to celebrate a great nation.____
[...] (Cross posted at BigGovernment.com) [...]
** The rich pay a larger percentage of the tax burden now because they have more of the money. And corporations pay far less than they did under Reagan. **
By what stretch of logic do you make the statement that 'corporations pay taxes" in the first place?
Corporations simply increase their price to consumers for whatever goods and/or services provided to make up for whatever tax increase the dems in particular are enamored with when dems promise to increase taxes on corporations. Sadly, most of the electorate lack the sense to recognize that fact.
Bottom line: the consumers of the products/services pay the 'corporate tax' for the corporations. Always have, always will.
I don't see how you found "hate" in my post. That is probably you projecting onto me because you resent my opinion. My contempt for the right wing doesn't approach anything like hate. I save that emotion for our enemies. As ridiculous as the angry right gets sometimes, few of them are willing to take to the streets with guns. Now if that happens you will see contempt turn into hate very quickly.
The GOP will be overrun by the TEA Party movement in 2010. Primary after primary will demonstrate this. Our challenge is to keep those elected from falling into the same old pattern of bribing us with our own money. This will be the toughest part of our fight, winning the election is easy in comparison.
It might be appropriate to lable Joe Liebermen is a neo-conservative, but not Quayle
A lot of the old guard in the GOP will never accept the rationale behind the tea party movement, their worldview precludes it and they will try and fit it into one of their categories from past experience and populism is the closest thing they have to and explanation for movement.
Like liberals that just can't believe Islamic radicals want to kill them becasue they are different the right can't really believe people want real freedom from the leftist ideology AND the current GOPs socialist lite version of it.
To some extent that won't matter if we keep selecting the candidates that need to be selected, they will be assimilated whether they like it or not as long as we keep being citizens and don’t revert back to tenants at the first sign of victory. It may take a few more NY 23 episodes before they come around, I doubt the Massachusetts race will convince them, the will simply see it as a rejection of the administration instead of a rejection of serfdom regardless of the masters.
"They need the Jewish state to fulfill biblical prophesy. They simply couch it in terms of support for Jews."
I'm assuming 2 different "THEYS" in this quote. Fullfill Biblical prophesy? I'm not religious, and I support ANYONE who will live in peace. I support Palestinians who don't strapped bombs to themselves, or launch rockets, into the crowd. So yes, I use hate refering to your statement, which incite division. Not a projection, just truth.
Oh Ron Paul is NOT the heart of the Tea Partiers.
They are primarily pissed off Republicans and Independents (mostly who were Republicans and can't stomach the identiy any longer.) There are also new Democrats that quickly went after the Rock Star Obama and then soured.
Libertarians havn't exactly picked up the baton and kept running now have they?
Pretty much spot on, though for 2012 I would also ask candidates to sponsor Constitutional Amendments to put those thoughts into irrevocable terms that even revisionist judges could not avoid.
When the Executive and Legislative branches cooperate to breach the firewall of the constitution that protects the people's rights and limits the governments power only the judicial branch stands in the way and there is too much ideological corruption in their ranks in my opinion, they need to be unequivocally set straight.
The GOP and DEM parties are simply vessels that candidates crew, get enough of OUR crew on board and we have taken over and can steer it anyway we like, that's a lot easier than building a whole new vessel, though that may be necessary it's not the smartest thing to try out of the gate.
I think you have confused Quayle with Biden or Obummer. It's obvious you know little about Dan Quayle, Politics or the election of Bush/Quayle in 1988. Best keep your ignorance under wrap till you learn a bit more.
Exactly…If that floor mop of a lawmaker would have done what was right to begin with, this special election probably would'nt carry the same weight it is…Not to mention kill the bill…
Don't waste any time on mikatollah, like a zitt, maybe it will just go away.
the rino party is sceeered of the real Americans of the tea party
obozo is sceeered of the real Americans of the tea party
LONG LIVE THE TEA PARTY
Is anyone surprised Dan Quayle doesn't get it? He needs to thank his lucky stars Joe Biden is VP, so there's someone more clueless than he was at his former position.
I tend to think the Teaparty will have a surprizing effect on all political parties in the US. there is a very large change occurring in politics, the MA, VA, NJ election are the first literal translation. Americans have looked to their Constitution and found both major political parties suspect. The party that most reflects traditional Constitutional issues will be the winner. There will be no going back, we are & will be the Shining City on the Hill!
__No written bill can be longer than the Constitution.
__ Switch to flat tax.
__ No earmarks permitted.
These could help too.
Here is my rebuttal to your claims about the government… it's all right wing lies and the people who spread these lies have a political agenda that is all about power and ideology.
And it's posts like yours that confirm what I believe.
Libs never get that point! They are so one note. Rich-bad (unless it's them). They scream about business relocating overseas and yet do their best to tax and regulate businesses until they have no other option. California is bleeding businesses due to this kind of thinking.
There is nothing wrong in hating bad policy. Of course we're angry. And, so are you. Otherwise there would be no reason for you to keep showing up on a forum like this, trying to stir up you-know-what.
You're way too transparent!
Nice try! You guys are a persistent bunch!
Add in __Part time legislature. The Constitution only requires they meet once a year. The rest of the time they should be in their home districts, breathing the same unrarified air we do!
Leftism is Jewish movement beginning with Marx.
The years you use are wrong. Carter's last budget was 1981, Reagan/s last budget was 1989. The 1990 budget was country clubber George H W Bush who undid most of what Reagan accomplished and dramatically increased spending. Reagan's last budget was lower than Carter's as a percentage of GDP (22.2% vs 21.2%).
As for the rich paying more because they made more — Duh! That was the whole idea behind lowering the rates.
Read Laffer and Moore's latest book "The End of Prosperity", they cover this subject very well.
The only thing that I'm not sure about is whether you are an DNC plant or an RNC plant.
I agree, there is nothing wrong with hating bad policy. But the anger on this list goes far beyond reasonable disagreement over policy. I see an orchestrated attempt by the right to deligitimize a Constitutionally elected president over policy disagreement. Many on this list are convinced the president isn't even an American or Christian, and that justifies talk of treason and impeachment.
I don't know how you have rational conversations with people like that. They are to be marginalized, not bargained with. My main criticism of Obama is that he gives in too much to these people.
I want Brown to beat Coakley as much as you do, but let's not pretend he is a conservative. A real conservative would have voted to cut the Mass income tax, and most certainly wouldn't have approved Romneycare.
To bad if they don't because that will mean that Marxism will be continued!
It is true the Republicans have shoved the libertarians aside and hijacked the Tea movement. This is not some lie fabricated by the leftist trash who are trying to divide us, it is the truth. Ever been to a tea party lately? In my area they have become Republican rallies.
This race in Mass proves it, the fox news tea movement is going out on a limb to support to a known rino, while the real, pre-fox news tea movement (like the Boston tea Party founded in 06), have officially endorsed the small government candidate Joe Kennedy. This phony tea movement would rather beg the GOP to become more fiscally conservative than fight for what is right.
A lot of you in the conservative establishment have lost your credibility with this race, and will be called out for your hypocrisy.
Let's be clear – if you are pro-war you are just another statist.
Which one is it for you mikatollah: Parkay or butter?
It is you and your fellow Progressive I know Better Than You Elitist (Double Positive = Negative) Give Everybody Something Because They Aren't Man or Woman Enough to Take Care of Themselves and Make Decisions for Themselves and Big Nannybama and Gang need to Forever Take Care of Everybody Because of Some Excuse Like Race, Religion, Gender, Sexual Orientation, Socio-Economic Status, etc… Given Out By Failures on Darwin's Scale as It Pertains to Humans as to Why They Can't Measure Up and Be Victorious in a land of Opportunity Because Everybody Can't take Care of Themselves as Well as Nannybama Can who are on the margins of the political debate. Run ons Rock!!!
We haven't won, yet? LOL! There isn't even a military there and hasn't been for years. Fool.
Ironically Marx equates capitalism with Judaism. Do you care to revise your statement, or are you just going to ignore the truth?
I'm with you Bob, this whole race in Massachusetts has really opened my eyes to what is going on and I feel somewhat betrayed. I feel betrayed by those who've been screaming liberty and small government, yet are backing a known rino over the small government candidate because he has a better chance of winning. Sellout much? Some are happily posting pictures of seiu members supporting this person, as if it's something to be proud of (yes malkin, I'm looking at you ya big phony).
I was very much a part of the conservative movement until this week, when I realized some of you are nothing but a bunch of republican hacks. At least the leftist trash are honest about what they stand for and who they support. You lost me with this race.
Irving Kristol embraced this term, as have other neo-cons, and they include neo-cons of all and no religious beliefs, in fact, Newt Gingrich embraces the term, as well as David Brock (well he used to, before he exposed his ties to George Soros, and joined the other extreme. Frankly, right wing, left wing, same darned thing. Perhaps the left coined the term, but what I said is true. Neo-cons have roots in Marxism, as do the terms "left" and "right". While in the US, from our country's inception, we had two parties, conservative and liberal, we never had a "right" or "left" wing, those terms are Marxist, and are European constructs.. I think we need to reject out the extremists of both ends of the political spectrum, because for example, the right wing, are not conservative, they are not American. Now, you might prefer to try and hide behind your claim of my usage of the term is somehow racist, but that only means you are incapable of engaging in an honest debate on the subject.
If not extreme left or extreme right, then you won't know where you stand. The problem is when the extremeist have the power, either left or right. Again, Marxism puts Jews with capitalism. Obama use the term Republicans too, does mean he endorses one.
"Plant" being the operative word! I vote brussel sprout.
Quayle isn't "old GOP", he's not a traditional republican or conservative, he's a neo-conservative. In other words, Quayle is no different than Bush or Obama.
The tea parties have breathed new life into conservatism in this country. With the help of all out statists.
I heard some people complaining lately that Scott Brown isn't conservative enough. I just laughed. In MA Scott Brown is about as conservative as you will find – what more could we ask for?
It isn't about agreement on every issue. It is about making the R mean something. When you hear that someone is a Republican – you should be able to assume that the person wants less government involvement in our lives and businesses, lower taxes that let us keep more of our money, there is some belief in the sanctity of life.
They shouldn't just be whores for sale like Snowe, Collins, Voinovich, KIRK.
Remember in the movie "Rocky" when Balboa got a shot at the title because the real contender got hurt and the "Italian Stallion" became the replacement. It turned out to be a great movie because Rocky put on a great fight.
My guess is that Neil Cavuto had to find a replacement and Rock Quayle was it. Unfortunately, Danny did not go 15 rounds, his silly comment about the us Tea folks K.O'd him 15 seconds into the first round.
I voted for you twice Danny but you must realize this, the Republican Party needs new representation and we are the ones.
Join us or YOU go start a third party.
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