Tea Parties: The Biggest Mistake We Could Make in 2010
by Warner Todd HustonIt’s the end of 2009, the “aughts” are over, and we are about to embark on a new year — and what else are they but the “aughts”? Well, besides mostly a horrible and thankfully passed decade. In any case, we are at the end of the year and that means two things: lists about this year and predictions for the next. I’ve chosen the prognosticator’s art for this piece with the subject of what could be our biggest failure or mistake in 2010: the Tea Party movement.

We all know that just saying the words “Tea Party” is enough to raise American’s blood pressure. Some will become suspicious or even enraged by imagining I am about to attack the Tea Partiers, some on the left will be filled with disgust even thinking about the Tea Partiers at all, and still others will get their blood up thinking about why the Tea Party movement started in the first place. For 2009 “Tea” and “Party” were two words that raised American’s passions in a myriad of ways, for sure. That won’t change in 2010.
But with the Tea Party movement we are likely headed for a huge mistake in 2010, one that I fear will stretch into 2011 and one that has the potential to hurt us all, right, left and center — but especially right.
The nature of the Tea Party movement was unusual at the outset. Regardless of what the half-wits on the extreme left said about them — whackjobs like your Keith Olbermanns or Rachel Maddows — the Tea Party movement was not orchestrated behind the scenes by some grand, right-wing conspiracy. They happened spontaneously spearheaded by all sorts of different groups, hundreds of them in fact. And to use the hackneyed old expression, trying to organize them into a single, national power will be like herding cats.
And therein lies the soon to be revealed mistake. Unless we are able to foresee this limitation of the Tea Party movement and take concrete measures to prevent it we will see the passion and engagement of these millions of Americans frittered away until just cynicism is left.
Passion about politics is great and likely the fervor of Tea Party participants will help fuel a 2010 resurgence of Republicans in the midterm elections. But what after that? In fact, what during it?
Here’s the problem and, as I see it, it’s a problem that is actually sort of built right into the Tea Party movement from its inception. That would be its essentially leaderless nature. Certainly this leaderless nature has suited the tastes of those suspicious of government, tired of failed party machinations, and the preternaturally aloof folks that populated them. Perhaps the gatherings could have occurred no other way and are born of this peculiar instant of political sensibility. Nonetheless Tea Parties have been disparate, unfocused, leaderless, and might prove to be pointless in the end.
There was no unifying single goal of the Tea Partiers and no agency or party directing them. This means that the raw power behind them just might go untapped because there will be no way to translate the passion to power. Every transformative movement has been led by a single man and his small group of powerful adherents but the Tea Party movement has no such leader and might just find that its passion will dissipate until there is nothing left but disgruntled followers.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the passion and was thrilled by the hundreds of Tea Parties with their millions of participants as it happened across this land in 2009. I was heartened that so many Americans were standing up to the anti-American left like that. But how do we channel that passion into something that can lead to positive change?
Without question powerful change needs a leader. Unfortunately, unless a leader steps forward that can gather all those many Tea Party strings into a single strong rope, it is likely that the whole thing will just pass away and be left a footnote in history. And what will this do to those yearning for change? What else could it do but cause them to become even more cynical going out than when they came in, leaving them thinking that nothing can be done and that we are doomed? This could lead to even worse societal strife down the road as frustrations build.
The other thing change needs is funding. Let’s face it, change cannot come without money and while Tea Partiers have not yet been stingy with political donations, it has been like a scattergun as opposed to an aimed and powerful rifle shot. Whether we like it or not, money is and always has been the life’s blood of politics and we Tea Party goers must find a way to harness the interest we all have had in change and parlay that into political donations that will lead to a successful take over of our political scene. We can’t bend politics to our will without money. Reagan knew it, Richard Viguerie knew it, even Jerry Falwell and his Moral Majority knew it. These famous conservatives were able to channel political donations in the millions of dollars to the right places and conservatism became a powerful force because of it.
The closest the Tea Party folks have come to major change based on donations was with the recent candidacy of Doug Hoffman in New York’s 23rd and if you’ll remember it was a failed effort. It was, though, a small example of what might be done to good effect. It should also be noted that, in keeping with this nebulous nature I’ve mentioned, the Hoffman effort was wholly ad hoc and unfocused.
So, I see trouble brewing ahead for the Tea Party movement one that might lead to its being wasted and the frittering away of these potentially powerful passions will be the biggest mistake the right could make. Sadly, I can almost see no way to prevent it from happening.
So, Happy New Year, sure, but let’s keep all this in mind and find a way to weld the Tea Party passion into action.





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We have a branding problem, at the least, and need to define ourselves outside of the DC Network. If we must have TWO political parties may I humble suggest we name the Dems and Rinos (no difference) as the "Politician Party" and the Tea Partiers, Independents, and libertarians as the "Patriot Party" and then let's rumble.
Very correct. And we cannot afford to split the vote.
The republican party is what must be taken over and set straight, and a leader is needed.
At this time Palin is the best I see, and she should be supported.
The only problem is the movement was hijacked in many cases by the neocon chickenhawks preaching more war for Israel. Let's have some more "Levins" up there who never served saying we should all send our kids to die for Israel in the Middle East. No thanks. Neocons are just liberals advancing big government through war rather than domestic programs.
The Tea Party movement in and of itself will be ineffective if it is used as a third party. However, it can be effective at driving the Republican Party more conservative, mobilizing the conservative base and holding elected officals to their more conservative promises. Our elected officals (generally) are not responsive to the wishes of the electorate. People elected thanks to the efforts of a VERY vocal sector of their constituencies might be more responsive when voices are raised in opposition to left of center legislation.
I also hate to see the efforts of the Tea Partiers wasted.
Good post…it points to a serious problem. Reaction to the direction of government in the US is growing but is somewhat aimless. The problem is that all the Tea Partiers shared was that reaction; a desire for less government. But it's sort of a least common denominator and movements (at least peaceful ones) can't be driven by an amorphous, shared goal or an emotion reaction. When leaders speak and parties issue policy platforms, they must make more or less concrete statements about where things should be headed. Within the anti-government crowd there are all kinds of contradicting goals: some want clear separation of church and state, others see religion as playing a role in public policy. Some are pro-choice, some pro-life. Some favor interventionism to proactivly protect America, others are isolationist. These differences must be resolved (or at least ignored) in order to create a real movement; otherwise there won't be enough internal unity to sustain the drive towards the goal that motivated the movement in the first place.
Hate Jews? Watch out for those global bankers – they be coming to get you.
i dont know anyone who wants to stand up to the fiestorm the leftist medie will create,..
I couldn't agree more. No thanks to more republicrats, it solves nothing.
Palin is already being groomed to speak rogue but fit the model of a neocon. The fact that she teamed with McCain was bad enough, but given enough time Palin's handlers will have her converted into a establishment Republican with no independent thought.
"Let’s face it, change cannot come without money."
Here we see the little lie he wanted to bury in the words. People love to use phrases like "let's face it" and follow it up with some bilge they want to sell. What use is money? Only to purchase tv ads. But why do you need those? Only because most Americans are brain-dead and make stupid decisions based on what they see in those ads. Get these people to stop watching football and involved in the tea parties and the need for money dries up.
On the other side of the coin (ah hem) why do people OFFER money to politicians? To buy influence. If the politicians have no influence to purchase, again it dries up.
But playing THEIR game isn't going to get you what you want.
I've seen a big fall off in our local Tea Party base since early this past summer when it had held its own "Townhalls" which were attended by hundreds after the inaugural one. Hats were passed and thousands of dollars were raised to support activities.
However, the 9/11 Truther Ronulans were stealthily trying to take control and almost did. They ended up forming their own "Tea Party" group and set about hustling donations over the internet.
At our first large organization meetings is when there began to be some small power struggles for influence. The vast majority of the membership (several hundred active members) was looking for leaders to emerge and none really has. The second quarterly meeting was attended by just over a hundred.
Americans for Prosperity has grown since that time and many have switched over to that group.
I was among those dozen folks involved in the planning stages pre-April 15th demonstration which drew over 3,000 to our state capital steps. After being shut out from objecting to the Alex Jones followers attempted takeover in our legislative action committee, my support has fallen to zero.
Hate Truth? You do realize the Rothchilds really do exist, don't you?
It does no good to vote in more big government republicans in 2010. Continued loss of tax revenues and an increasingly educated population will do more good. Also, state nullification of federal law is starting to have an effect on bringing some change to the constitution bashers in Washington.
I attended three Tea Parties and found them invigorating to know that there where still people in this country that cherish freedom. That love of country as it was founded still runs deep in the souls of real productive America. But you are correct in one regard, we must reform the Republican Party through the primary process, run true conservatives, and once the primaries are over – - get behind the Republican Party. Ronald Reagan once said to paraphrase, “someone that agrees with me 80% of the time is my ally.” Though a third party sounds good we will get “Perot’ed,” again …not good.
Like it or not conservatives will not be culled in 2010. Do not expect blind devotion to the political parties next year. We want no more millionaire career politician lawyer candidates being foisted upon us by the political parties. We will vote our conscience and will vote for people of character and principle to lead us rather than rule us.
Well I agree that there are concerns regarding Palin I would not be so quick to give up on her.
But I repeat, she is the best I see out there.
Politics is a war of attrition. The "progressive" agenda has been on the march since Woodrow Wilson. Obama represents the latest wave of progressive statism. You think a few public meetings this year was an "effort" that should not be wasted.
You have a long fight.
I've been saying for months, if Sarah Palin is actually running for President in 2012, watch what she does with the Tea Partiers in 2010. In my eyes, she's the only big name in politics that the Tea Partiers in general have real resect for.
What Palin needs to do is visibly and vocally encourage the Tea Partiers to vote in the Republican Primaries in order to get real conservatives on the Republican ticket. If Palin is seen as having helped get true conservatives onto the major party ticket, and those candidates are able to win in the general election, she will undoubtably be seen as an effective leader of the Tea Party movement, and a very viable candidate for continued victories in 2012.
How about Jeb Bush as the leader?
Sarah, where are you…we need you're leadership! Rise up and "Just Do It", I'll send money!
Yes.
What most don' t realize is that many people want to be part of a tea 'party', but there are many more that are willing to be Minute Men.
This government WILL change, it's up to the government to decide if it'll be peaceful or not.
Exactly. Which is why I could care less if a third party gives the Dems another win. It's a dangerous place into which our national psyche is descending on both sides of the aisle.
If we must anoint our country for burial I'd at least like to be on the side of Right, not the side of Win.
The ultimate fate/result of the TEA movement is in the hands of the GOP non-leadership. Folks like Palin, DeMint, Pence, Michelle Bachmann get it and could save the Grand Ole Party- BUT if the establishment 'moderate' republicans (Frum, Brooks,McCain,Graham,Steele,McConnell ad nauseum) remain in power- ALL IS LOST.
Contrary to what the elites like to believe- TEA party folks are NOT STUPID, far more informed than any other group. WE WILL NOT FALL FOR BUSH-type BIG GOVERNMENT again.
It would be nice to see someone like Palin go against the grain of the Republican party like she did with backing Hoffman. I fear that her handlers will have her fully converted to an establishment republican. I aready hear her giving scripted responses on shows like Hannity that make me cringe.
One could say the same thing about the Iranian government, JBnID. Liberals will not relinquish their power easily.
First and formost, anybody that voted for this NO_BamaCare boondogle is out ! Secondly, anybody who voted for the TARP and other massive spending has to be tossed out on their ear. Thirdly, anyone who wants AlGore's cap and trade is out. Then we replace anybody who is for higer taxes, bigger government, less National Security, less privacy, smaller military and anti business.
Gee I dont see many (if any ) Dems or Republicans left to vote for, do you?
Sorry, but you are wrong.
The Tea-Party movement is NOT about taking control of the Republican Party; it is about taking BACK control of our COUNTRY, which means, if necessary, taking over, or destroying, BOTH PARTIES.
I am becoming ever-more-wary of Republicans in Tea-Party clothing!
I'm sure Jeb would have ran in 2008 if W would have done a good job. The cooling off period from W may last a long long time.
First, it is important to remember that it was the RNC and the Republican candidate that split the Conservative vote in NY-23 and elected a Democrat.
Going in to 2010, the TPM need to split the races, not the Conservative vote. Let the Republicans take on the Blue Dpgs, we Tea Party Independents can run and win in the North and East where the Republicans have shown they can't win. Not a 3rd party; in New England the Tea Party Movement would be the second party.
We need to focus on the House in 2010. We are working on this at http://www.firefifty.com/phpwiki/index.php .
People like you filled with hate and rage don't represent anything but the worst this world has to offer. Did your daddy diddle you when you were young?
Every time Obama or one of his liberal henchmen appear and speak in public should fan the flames of our passion for liberty and freedom and a return to small, uncorrupt government by the people. Focus on the fact that what we have now is an obvious disaster heading for a predictable and certain collapse of a once great country. Look into the faces of your children. Imagine them subjugated and destitute and the target of every take over murdering tin horn on the planet. If you choose to sit back down, do nothing, and stay the course; you will hasten the doom of your family. Get off your ass! This is a fight for our lives!
I think you've hit the nail on the head quite eloquently…
I concur. Stick with principles and not with more of the same.
The Third-Party Boogeyman doesn't scare me anymore, either. What is left for the Democrats or Republicans to tax and destroy? Which of them will give up their perqs and pensions for the good of their country?
The man with nothing left to lose cannot be held for ransom.
Dem's and Liberals' only hope is that we actually BREAK INTO A THIRD PARTY. This would be their ONLY salvation from being exterminated politically and another fatal political mistake (OUR first one was electing Obama into office last November). As we have experienced during his year in office political mistakes are paid at a very high price for our nation.
Let US NOT FALL INTO THAT TRAP! I have seen this happen in Venezuela's tyrannical regime. Its opposition's inability to unite and lead their disgruntled peoples has kept Hugo Chavez in power for over a decade despite of millions' protests. The same is happening to the Iranian people as we speak.
We Americans have to continue unifying over PRINCIPLES AND IDEALS and NOT DISSOLVE our power into third parties with inexistent political infrastructures. Instead, let us CLEAN UP the existing parties by voting them out of our political system for good. Let us, as a people, hold each and every politician accountable and show them they cannot just serve themselves instead of their constituents.
This is hard work for all of us but is the only way out of this mess. Let’s face it: they do it only because WE HAVE ALLOWED THEM TO. We, The People have sat idle hoping the next candidate will come and save OUR Republic, only to find that it does not work that way! Washington D.C. is filled with human garbage and we cannot expect someone else to do the cleaning for us. All of us need to elect PRINCIPLED candidates, patriots and individuals who are willing to SERVE their constituents for the god of all (rather than their own political pockets) and uphold our Constitution above all. It was created to give We, The People the power to decide. Let us NOT fall into political traps like third parties which have proven politically impotent ,unviable and would only serve to hand over more power to LIBERALS and America haters.
We have to vet well and look into every candidate in every district and State making sure their backgrounds and accomplishments (personal or professional) speak for their true agendas. Let us make sure we are not misguided by the media, advertising or Washington lobbyists. We are entrusting the wrong PEOPLE with our livelihoods and future. We need to roll up our selves and do our individual part, as small as it may seem, it adds up. A third party is not the answer.
Cleaning up the garbage in existing ones IS. Let us begin scrubbing and sweeping NOW!
The Tea Party Support Group is sponsoring the National Conservative Symposium in San Antonio Texas January 22-24. The speakers include Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Michelle Malkin and Laura Ingraham. There will be activist and candidate training as well. We look forward to seeing you there.
Mike
Palin can do it…she's NOT scared of the idiots!!!
YES!
You think taking money out of ANY politician's pocket is gonna be easy? The Pubbies are in it up to their necks as high as the Dems. Which is why necks are the only good place for a rope.
Thats the attitude you have to take.
The Republican party formed when the Whigs showed no stomic for containing slavery. The Republican have shown no stomic for containing spending. Both Bushes have been big spenders. I would love to see a "Black party" form. Commited to putting the government back in the Black.
But I honestly don't think the GOP is dead yet.
Good to see a lot of commenters who recognize that just putting "Republicans" back in power will change nothing. Going back to the big government establishment figures we had before is just playing the same old tune, the false paradigm of "left/right" and the further degenerating true conservatism. Mr. Huston gets a lot of things wrong in his article, though, and it smacks of the tired, crusty narrative that's thrust on us by MSM and talking heads.
No. He is still an "inside the beltway" guy.
I disagree strongly with the above article. I think the tea-partyers are more genuine than the Perote people because they have no leader and are organized around core principles and not a personality.
Tea Party folks vet their sources much better than journalists do. Which is why journalists don't like them.
Admittedly, succumbing to peer pressure, whether good, bad or indifferent, is part of being human it would seem. One could argue, that the conservatives of today, would have been considered liberals in the not to distant past. That being said, I believe Palin will break (not be in the politics) before she bends (compromises) to any great degree. I believe that is her reason for political existence.
Problem is we need people to run on local and state levels. I believe normal-joes, like Doug Hoffman, are afraid to run or are busy leading normal lives in this tough economy–they can't be about running all over their state tryig to garner votes. So, you get the people with $$$ running who can finance their own campaigns. Our founding fathers didn't intend for people to be career politicians. They were farmers, bankers, lawyers, with real jobs they needed to keep in order to support them. Now most of our politicians have never done a decent day's work for a decent day's pay. They rely on you and me to feed their families.
I think one problem with the electorate is that most of them vote on an uspoken assumption that a good representative or statesman must have master the intricacies of government, international relations, economics, jurisprudence etc. As a result, we find ourselves ruled by technocrats without principles. I think some degree of civic understanding is requisite, but a greater emphasis by voters needs to be placed on a candidate's adherence and advocacy of the priciples of a free-market, democratic republic. Keep in mind some of our greatest leaders were not philosophers or economists, but brewers and actors. What made them great was an understanding of what made a peaceful social order: protection of individual rights, private property and limited government.
The 'tea parties' are the best thing that has happened in this country in a very long time! It actually brought Republicans and Democrats together, in response to Obama's policies of a bigger more controlling government! That WAS NOT the ticket he ran on, and he proved himself to be a true socialist from day one!! The tea parties were about the American people wanting to keep our freedoms and our rights as citizens of this great land! We are NOT going to give them up without a fight!! Obama broke every 'promise' he made to the people within days…except for the one where he said ' We will fundamentally transform the United States of America"…people that were mesmerized by his flamboyant speeches were NOT paying attention to his words, nor taking them at face value!!! Something had to happen to wake up the sleeping giant, and it was the rage of the people who were thoughtful enough to put together the tea parties!!
This means we're "stuck" with name recognition to get into office. So far the big names, like Rudy Guliani, hair out in the big needed races. He's not the most "conservative", but in a state like NY, he'd have made progress for us. Incumbents get their public/party funds and the new guy on the block (read Hoffman-like people) have to make a name for themselves. Plus, I've noticed, when they get to DC, most of them get wooed to the dark side of fame and fortune; they don't keep their hometown integrity.
Tea parties were/are a way to inspire people to take on the established power. The only way we're going to take out this present establishment is to recruit decent people to run and then to hold them accountable. But, most of us are too busy raising our kids and doing our jobs (if we have them)–and don't want to get slaughtered by the MSM.
True Harry, Palin is the best out there right now. She needs to learn the Gipper model, say it like it is and ignore the jerks !
So, Why is it that these differences can't be settled by the obvious? Uniting behind our founding documents that have always been reliant on our defending them. Unite behind restoring the integrity the Constitution. We are failing our civic duties by not doing so. The faces and names are secondary.
woot.
go John Brown not John Gualt.
The Homeland Secretary warned us about you. I hope you have not been reselling any shoot guns.
I like Jeb, however, I think he is another RINO.
the beauty of this movement is that it's spontaneous, and not loyal to any party. i believe the minute we have a 'leader', is the minute that this fantastic movement will limit itself. push an agenda – not a person. as an active member of the movement, i don't give much of a damn about where my vote goes, although i can't see any democrat that would earn my vote at this time. the Republican party is a ready made 'vehicle' to push a Conservative agenda, and right now it's the best we've got. i've said it a number of times, that our first order of business must be to salvage our Constitution and country NOW. we don't have time to reinvent the political wheel. let's boot out the Lefties first, and start moving the agenda as far to the right as we can. when the course is set, we can then look a the luxury of another party, but now we gotta crash the Republican party.
We don't need a leader now. The strong man is a leftist requirement. Free people are their own leaders. I can find candidates to support in 2010 (Rubio, Brown in Mass., Bachmann). I don't need a leader. I can think on my own. For 2012 someone on the right will have to convince me that he or she is serious about moving the country toward conservative and libertarian principles. If they do that, they will get my support.
What would make you think the media doesn't already "hate your guts"?
The power-hungry dems and RINO's "hate your guts".
The specifics you mention have already been employed for years against us, witness the constant bashing of conservatives by the media and the pols.
Stop trying to make nice with this current most transparency corrupt sleaze government and the leadership of either party, repubs or dems.
Do you realize that hte last time we had a declaration of war was in 1941, and yet we have been fighting wars ever since? There is no point in talking about a return to constitutional government unless we are ready to declare war before committing troops. And I refuse to take any Tea Party candidate seriously, until he is willing to support Ron Paul for Secreatary of the Treasury.
http://www.downsizedc.org
I found this site when looking in to Shadegg's Enumerated Powers bill, which I believe is a sadly necessary bill to support to legislatively put teeth into the oaths of office. The site is informative and useful for many seperate issues that may be your passion. Give it a look.
Americans For Prosperity is also a very interesting group. They have seemingly orgainized effectively both on a national basis and within each state. I find myself very appreciative of their efforts when I'm focusing on state issues.
In agreement with this articles primary point that if the Tea Party movement rotts away, it will be seen as the failed last hope to millions. What I don't understand though is why this movement hasn't done the obvious. Make restoring integrity to our Constitution in whole it's primary focus. Faces and names being secondary.
This is the way for the energy of the movement to make a difference in short order. By taking over an existing infrastructure, we then have the force to promote real conservative candidates, as opposed to the same old same old.
Yes, and the make a delicious sugary treat.
We don't need no stinkin' leader. WE need to grow this massive movement to prod the idiot leaders we already have. More people, more people, more people… thats your leader. The mistake is depending on an individual to take the lead…. nonsense…. no matter who you pick to lead the tea party movement, they will ultimately fail if the main objective fails to change the morons we currently have in office. We need more bodies and vocal "everyday man" voices.
Warner,
For a "leaderless" grass-roots group, I'm amazed at just how much these Tea-Throwers have gotten done. Do they really need a leader, or just a lot of little groups, spread out across this great land, adding up to millions who are invigorated, active, and vote?
"But playing their game [by their rules] isn't going to get you what you want." Well said. What is it about the R's that don't get the Tea Party movement. I'm an Independent unaffiliated with either party. I don't have any desire to be used to build the R Party. Let the R's do it. We Tea Partiers want to own the middle by influencing leftie and rightie policies. The sooner you come to accept this diddy the sooner you R's will focus your energy on rebuilding your party. Leave those of us in the center alone!
This is a joke, right?
I think you got about 534 of them, and I'm not sure who the 1 is.
I agree that those who supported the Tea parties, need to be focused in order to assist with the changes planned for 2010. That does not mean "we" have to elect a leader, who then tells us what to do. We've had enough "top down" guidance from the RNC, thank you very much. In fact, just the opposite needs to take place.
Leaders need to state what they represent (e.g. Sarah Palin). We represent the votes. You can't buy us. We are going to flock to those leaders who represent what we want, then we'll vote them in. We're not perfect. We'll learn from NY-23. Just because you don't hear from us now, don't assume we've faded into the background. We are one spark away from rearing our heads again.
Realize that more has happened to our country since 4/15/09 and through the summer. The situation hasn't improved, in fact, the current administration has demonstrated that they are even more incapable of governing this country than we originally thought. More people are angrier now. We have even more reasons to become active.
Atlas will shrug.
And a win for the Republicans in that district would have meant something different ideologically?
Isn't it sad that our "leaders" do not follow the constitution? I wonder how great this country would be if they actually did their job.
we don't need parties. It is their way to control people.. their method to herding cats. Register independent and make them beg for your vote. It is destruction party system that scares them.
Well, i think it should be evolutionary, not revolutionary. We already have success with Doug Hoffman – get him to start proposing similar candidates that match the ideals of the Tea Party movement. It's been successful once before, so start from there…
May as well try to fix/rescind/abolish the Welfare State as ask ANY politician to give up their political advantage. They are a symbiotic entity: entitlement groups and their enablers. It's the system we have and to try and paint it up as something we want is to be in denial of the sheer numbers of people who procure from the common weal as opposed to those who supply to the common purse.
The "Party System" is sick beyond a cure. Best to put the Party down, like a once-faithful dog that has gone rabid with power. Our best and brightest in Newt Gingrinch, turned out to be a colossal disappointment filled with PC/bipartisan/unity tropes that sold us out. Sure, we had a majority and squandered it like a drunken sailor. Feh. A pox on both houses.
Good luck with Palin. She is a calculated idiot and you are a moron for suggesting that anyone should support her. Go back to sleep you dunce.
lmao.. you can't save the republicans.. you need more money than the chamber of commerce. Destroying party system will work and they can't stop it.
Typical leftest response….nothing to add except personal attacks…..Gotta love the libs.
save the republican's??????? they can't be saved.. register independent and lets destroy the party system.
The Republican party holds the same ideals as the Democrats – big spending big government. The success of Doug Hoffman should show you that. I agree that you should "clear house" with career politicians moving from one party to the next, but sometimes neither party represents your views. In that case, a third party is the obvious solution. Difficult? Yes. Potentially detrimental to a party more closely alligned with yours? Yes. But anything worth fighting for is worth the difficulty and hardship.
oh really just take it away from chamber commerce members good luck.. you want change things register independent. and take their power away.
Do you have more money than chamber commerce members???? Register independent and destroy the party system..
We are talking about Palin not McCain.
Remember Palin did not choose McCain, he chose her. Apparently about the only thing he did right. I don't think we need to fault her for being part of the campaign.
There are things to fault her with, but again, there is no one better for one thing and she is generally spot on in terms of policy and is very popular. She can succeed.
The fact that the left is so rabidly afraid of her is just another reason to put all our support behind her.
I think the nebulous nature of the Tea Party is exactly why it is successful. Both parties perceive it as a political threat. Remember the Republicans had their "listening tour"? It was a stunt to get out in front of the Tea Party and control the Issues. The Repubes looked lame and It faded away in a couple of days because they were rightly blamed for the state of affairs of our country. Then the Dems, called us Nazis, right wingers, homophobes, racists, etc. That didn't stick, so they sent out the SEIU goon squads.
We will coalesce around a candidate that is a patriot. The current Politicos are threatened by this because they have all benefited from the money stuffed in their pockets from the Special Interests. I'm glad Ben Nelson's popularity is down 30%.
Do this and the left will be in power forever. That's the fact jack.
What is more sacred to this country than the constitution?. .It’s called freedom. Men and women sacrifice their bodies and lives for it. Is it just all a lie or does it mean something. What is the promise of America? Who is being held accountable? How can a man be free when closes his eyes to corruption? Why do so many accept the lies of those that seek to take our freedom? The party system has enslaved your country and you still accept them????
This meme is getting old AND this is the second article this blogger has done attempting to persuade TPs to join the ranks of the R Party. Give it up. If this were to happen this Indy would no longer support it. Period.
What everyone fails to realize is the TP is the voice of the center NOT left or right BUT THE CENTER! We unaffiliated voters left respective parties for a reason…we grew tired of the same old elite telling us one thing while campaigning and doing another once they fell under the leadership of the private clubs. Well, we're sick of it. We're sick of the consultants who poll, poll, poll devise message and assist with strategy to win a seat. Well guess what, that is the old tired game where the majority who defines the game are men.
The Tea Party is not a 3rd party. It is the concept of a natural desire to return to freedom and a "fair is fair" attitude. It is the same natural desire seen in the original Revolution, seen again in Reagan, and potentially seen in Sarah. People saw these concepts in Obama, and have been disappointed. People saw these concepts in GWB and were disappointed. These concepts were never really seen in McCain, Kerry, or Gore. I could explain more about what needs to be done, but alas, I must go back to work and pay the onerous taxes.
JK, skepticism is justified, but you said it yourself, that she went against the status quo party line and did the right thing.
I take great offense to this author's statement that all great movements were lead by men. Right there, right in that very statement, this joker shows how clueless he is as to who the majority is of this bottom up grassroots movement. Big hint, we don't wear a noose around our necks everyday! What is about men like you who are given a platform in which to write to the public yet you dismiss and demean the very back bone of this movement?
I can assure you, with your kind of warped thinking the TP is a bigger threat to your loyalties than the R or D is to ours.
half the tea party movement is independent and will remain so.. destroying the party system is what the parties fear.. registering independent and voting for the person is all it will take to stop this insanity.
There are few things more sacred to a republic than representation. The one man one vote and all it’s citizens are represented equally promise. Why isn’t voter fraud hounded out of existence? Voter fraud is a direct assault on our republic, it can kill a nation. There is nothing more fraudulent than gerrymandering and it’s creation of an artificial majority based on party affiliation not representation to silence the dissention of we the people. It is one of the reason our congress does not listen to we the people. Gerrymandering is a creation of the government parties to protect their power and to turn representation into re-election.. The parties can not speak of freedom until districts are based on representation not party affiliation.
He may simply be a member of the military indicating his intention to live up to the oath he was required to take. Only makes sense, it would be immoral and unethical to accept payment for something and then not follow through.
BTW, that oath goes something like…
I ______ do solemnly swear to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies foreign and domestic……"
There are few things more sacred to a republic than representation. The one man one vote and all it’s citizens are represented equally promise. Why isn’t voter fraud hounded out of existence? Voter fraud is a direct assault on our republic, it can kill a nation. There is nothing more fraudulent than gerrymandering and it’s creation of an artificial majority based on party affiliation not representation to silence the dissention of we the people. It is one of the reason our congress does not listen to we the people. Gerrymandering is a creation of the government parties to protect their power and to turn representation into re-election.. The parties can not speak of freedom until districts are based on representation not party affiliation.
Third party support will give power to the left. Period. I'm sorry but this is just the way it is.
Mike – this is awesome. Will you all be providing videostreaming or live blogging?
No, a win for the Conservative candidate, the Tea Party candidate, would have meant something.
Listen, the Republicans suck because they fail to live up to their ideals. The Democrats suck because they ARE living up their ideals. Fix the Republicans, fire the Democrats.
lmao…they have been in power for ever…There are few things more sacred to a republic than representation. The one man one vote and all it’s citizens are represented equally promise. Why isn’t voter fraud hounded out of existence? Voter fraud is a direct assault on our republic, it can kill a nation. There is nothing more fraudulent than gerrymandering and it’s creation of an artificial majority based on party affiliation not representation to silence the dissention of we the people. It is one of the reason our congress does not listen to we the people. Gerrymandering is a creation of the government parties to protect their power and to turn representation into re-election.. The parties can not speak of freedom until districts are based on representation not party affiliation.
Wow! I guess BG didn't appreciate my comment about the glaring mysoginy in this post. That's sad.
When a politician demonstrates not only his ignorance of the law but contempt for the will of the people by voting for legislation clearly unconstitutional when he/she has sworn an oath to protect and defend the same is blatant and criminal malfeasance. What the hell is going on when not only will they do that, but the people don't see that a crime has been commited.
This Republic will only survive atttempts to diminish it if we the people understand that WE are responsible for it's survival, not the congress. It's one thing to wave a flag or hold signs proclaiming this or that but true activism requires sacrifice and a willlingness to stand up to tryanny in it's nascent form a say, "That's not constitutional and I don't have to comply." But here's the catch; you have to know what the constitution says and be able to articulate to the people who's job it is to know the same constitution and demand they act pursuant to it or they'll be forced out., regardless of ideology or party affiliation. The founders of this nation, for all their faults, were intelligent and insightful and deemed that self-determination was the only true way to bestow the blessings of liberty and prosperity for all, as stated in the Declaration of Independence. Where we are now is evidence of not only how far we've strayed from those principles that made this nation exceptional but how we got here as well.
Until those waging war on it's citizens cease and desist and agree to abolish the double-standard, I withdraw my consent to be governed. I and the corrupt in the government will be 'enemies in war.' Time to eductae yourself, find your voice, speak out, and if necessary, act. This is not a spectator sport.
"I will not go silently into tyranny"
Of course you are not wrong, but the fact remains, vote third party will give election to the democrats.
We have but one choice and while it may not be all you want we have to start with what we can get.
why are you always blameing the wrong people for clinton? bush was wrong it was the republicans that got clinton elected.. you people sound like BO blaming bush.
Mr. Huston makes reference to the Hoffman/Scozzafava/Davis run in NY23 as a "failed effort".
Hmmmm …how many of you know that the GOP spent $900,000.00 to try and elect Scozzafava (a RINO of the worst sort, even more liberal than her opposition)?
I thought we (the GOP) were the party of "fiscal responsibility"?
No support by the GOP was given to Hoffman UNTIL Scozzafava dropped out of the race on 10/31/09. The election was held on 11/3/09, just 3 days later. Scozzafava received approx 5% of the final vote. Hoffman was given bad information and conceded the race to Davis too soon. Hoffman – if given the support from the GOP at the outset – would have won NY23.
The lesson that should be learned here is: NO MORE RINO's BEING SUPPORTED BY GOP FUNDS! Conservatives win every time they run. The "Tea Party" folks didn't split the vote – the GOP did.
Larry, you are spot on with this. To tell these people we are not going to abide by the law you passed because it is unconstitutional is the way to go. They will flounder.
It will take courage and sacrifice on our part, because they will make examples out of some of us.
2010 has two zero's in it. I have said this over and over again.
aught ten is accurate, cuz there is a zero in there. Aught twelve is accurate, cuz there is a zero in there.
Don't mock the aughts.
The Tea Party movement was the result of six years of Democrats creating a myth that George Bush's tax cuts created "Huge Deficits". Even during the Democratic presidential debates, the candidates were giving lip service to the idea that the problem was the huge deficits of George Bush. This calculated ploy by the Democrats led to them being seen as the more fiscally responsible party by independents.
The feeding frenzy of these lying crooks, with their fillibuster proof majority, devouring American Wealth with no regard to fiscal sanity is the underlying force driving the Tea Parties. But..the fact that the core control of the Republican party lies with east-coast Rockefeller Republcans (ala Bush, Romney, Cantor) should not be forgotten.
The Tea Party movement is rightly an anti-Washington, anti-centralized power movement. The correct course to undertake, and the only path to true change, will be to modify the U.S. Consitutution, adding Term Limits to Congressman (and their officesworkers), limiting retirement benefits for them, and removing the phrase "to promote the general welfare" as a start. This is the only hope, and it will not be financed, covered, recognized or advanced by anyone inside the loop.
Where do we begin?
The American people believe in redemption and second chances, which is good, but not when it is given to a politician. It is part of the original philosophy of America is to elect people who would fix some need and then go back to society and live under the rules that they created. The term re-elect spits in the face of that principle.
The old saying excuses are like axxholes everyone has one, well every politician has an excuse for failure.
Most states are fire at will, which translates your boss can fire you for good reason, bad reason, or no reason at all, and it is time to fire them all, so they can live under the rules they created. It is our duty to fire these politicians, so others can fix the problems that political greed has created.
Ditch All current politicians period. All of them. Anyone who has made a career of slinging BS on either side of the aisle is a waste. It doesn't really matter what side anyone is on. Its the corruption of all donated "money" that poisons our politics. Throw them all out… in every instance of politics, local, state, and national. Start over completely.
Roman democracy has alway been a divided camp….with "A" Team having contests with "B" Team, in the spirit of competition. That is what's happening to us now. These contests are always brutal. Although our Tea Party will split the vote, it appears that the Democrats would win….Generally, and I'm no statistian here ok, The Democrats will get the vote of Govt employees (10%), Minority(s) (10%), and union workers (5%)…..This is 25% of the vote, whch leaves 75% to be divided by 3 parties….The democrat party would need only 9% of that to win any particular election….Somebody please clean up my numbers….
Look I agree with you fundamentally in almost all of what you are saying.
I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree on the third party thing.
But that's cool.
Let's say that the Tea Party merges with the Republicans and using the previous figures….Democrats get 25% of the vote from the usual 3 groups. Leaving 75% of the vote left….each party gets 50% of those "left-over" voters…Means that the Democrats would win again, in any particular election.
if the Constitution is 'right' then the left has already been in power for decades under the current 'business as usual' parties. Tell me, how is doing the same thing over and over ever going to bring different results?
I don't deny the reality of the Ross Perot argument. But that was decades ago and all the pubs did in response was to team with the dems and create election committees to keep future Perot's out. The pubs have over and over demonstrated that they have abandoned a Constitutional government. That has equal reality to the Perot argument.
I like the 9/12 ideas…but people, where the real plan? Obviously we need the Republican party, but we need it to stand for something other than graft, corruption, and fraud.
What the party needs is a binding, guiding principle….
The principle needs to be limited government…
The way to limited government is limited spending….
Unfortunately balanced budget amendments and line items vetoes will never happen…
So it's got to be done at the party level.
What the Republican Party needs is a binding pledge for all elected republican officials.
No deficit spending, ever.
Anyone who violates it is kicked out immediately.
Yes, there are other things that need to be done but EVERYTHING that needs to be done extends from fiscal responsibility.
One thought i left out. The salaries for ALL elected officials need to be raised. The current archaic pay scheme only feeds the corruption. Too many politicians take their pay as a base, and the commissions they make in corruptions is where the rope gets knotted. Again.. the "money" they make on the side is the true motivation for office.
FYI TO BIG GOVERNMENT BLOGGERS:
I received an e-mail a couple of days ago from a "NEW LIBERAL GROUP" organizing for new members in Los Angeles, CA. Their purpose is to "support community organizing". Sounds to me like ACORN or offshoot.
COMMUNITIES STANDING TOGETHER
contact Erica (213) 387-0780 or erica@mcsonline.org
Los Angeles, CA
Mama's Hot Tomales Cafe (across from MacArthur's Park)
I must have gone to a liberal site at one point and this info was forwarded to me. It might be worth checking into or keeping an eye on this!
A HUGE apology to BG. Apparently I jumped the gun when seeing my post appear and then disappear but it then it reappeared again, but on the third page. Again, my apologies.
no third party .. I seek destruction of the party system.. I am debating all who read these pages. …..you are good .. you defend your position.. This country is lacking true belief in themselves..
I disagree Warner, the biggest mistake we could make is to not work hard enough to replace those in power that got us in this mess in the first place. All of them !
We need to stick together, work diligently, put our money where it counts and get the SOB's out !
Power and policy needs to revert back to the states. State sovereignty seems to have been lost here in the discussion. I believe the Tea party movement should focus on limited Federal Government…..period. Getting back to the 17-odd page Constitution and its' implications on American life would be a good start. We all know that the Government, over the decades, has tried to micro-manage American culture, states' rights and so-called Social Justice. Enough already!!!! I have become to loathe the political bullshit from both parties. I also agree that a third party jepordizes the change that is needed. It hasn't worked in past elections and i fear, even with Patriotic Tea Partiers, it could be pulled off in 2012. It saddens me that I cannot formulate an effective solution.
Something I wrote before about the TEA Party…
"The TEA party is not a political party, folks. The TEA is a political FORCE, a weapon, if you will. Its the cop on the street, watching the neighborhood sliding into anarchy, and deciding to put an end to it…Chuck Norris style…
It is raw, naked aggression against the political class, both Democrat (because they're the most egregious), AND Republican (because they're the sneakiest), that do not hold the line against power being concentrated against the PEOPLE…
It is far more useful to have the TEA, (let's not forget that it means Taxed Enough Already) movement free to respond aggressively against ANY wildfire Congress and a President decides to set, rather than frozen into inactivity trying to determine if a particular policy that is postulated is of benefit to one political party or another…
That sort of realpolitik thinking is what got us into this mess in the first place… "
Still relevant…
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I know what you mean and I don't know how we fix that. Term limits have not worked well here in CA (permanent bureaucracy/unions/lobbyists vs. amateur politicians have exploded our spending and particularly pension costs). All of the campaign finance laws and rules on lobbying, gifts, donations are just something they learn to work around. I am left with a personal pledge of ethical behaviour, coupled with an electorate that stops re-electing the corrput.
this whole article is flawed we are not "tea party" people we are true conservatives political affiliation be damned i will vote for the conservative candidate dem repub libertarian or non affiliated. this whole problem started because of the parties we started pulling levers because they had a letter in front of them. dont demean us by saying we are unfocused its the republican party thats unfocused. im focused like a laser beam if there are no candidates that share my veiws than no candidate will get my vote. there is no longer a lesser of two evils. so please take your party loving crap somewhere else conservatives need to win not the republican party
Look the left has not been 'in power' for decades it's not that simple.
Of course you have a point. But it doesn't matter, the winner of the next presidential election will be a D or an R unless something really really really out of the ordinary happens. Which it won't.
We are all frustrated but if we split apart we will lose to those who are better organized and led, guaranteed.
I don't think the passion to remove the people who are driving the tyranny of big government is going to go away! I agree, the Tea Party is not organized – YET. I agree, the movement needs essential leadership. Here's how I see it…the big government party in Wash DC is not going to end tomorrow and the impact of decisions there will 'trickle down' soon. When the pain of decisions being made now starts to effect average Americans in such a way as to cause REAL pain, the movement will gather natural momentum. I don't worry about that. Natural leaders will rise to the top because the people at the ground level will seek their leadership! Keep the faith. It's going to be alright.
As liberty slips through our fingers.. I remember the words of my hero George..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington%27...
http://www.forbes.com/global/2006/0508/014.html
In life, pain is the real motivator to action. How much longer will it take before people truly understand it has been the party system that has allowed the corruption to steal so such money, but the real theft is to our freedom.
Once a nation followed George to freedom.. It is time to follow him to freedom again.. Walk away from your party.. For it is a thief, a king that weakens your heart and blocks your way to freedom..
That lost feeling in your heart is George Washington calling you to action. Read his farewell address and his warning about political parties.
Put country before party and register unaffiliated
agree gary. I'm not a strong Palin supporter. At best I find her interesting. But my urge to support her gets stronger every time I see how much rage she causes a liberal to experience. :~}
he republicans are just as bad and bigger hypicrates with spending. the way to fix the republican party is to vote for whoever is conservative no matter which party id rather have a true conservative dem than a tax hiking tax spending republican who says all the right things. the part sytem is just about dead get used to it.
Dr. Cathy is exactly right. Generalizing, my experience is that the better, more selfless Tea Party Movement Leadership is female. We males seen to be having some difficulty separating our egos from our involvement. It is time for all of us to put Country ahead of personal ambitions.
As liberty slips through our fingers.. I remember the words of my hero George..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington%27...
http://www.forbes.com/global/2006/0508/014.html
In life, pain is the real motivator to action. How much longer will it take before people truly understand it has been the party system that has allowed the corruption to steal so such money, but the real theft is to our freedom.
Once a nation followed George to freedom.. It is time to follow him to freedom again.. Walk away from your party.. For it is a thief, a king that weakens your heart and blocks your way to freedom..
That lost feeling in your heart is George Washington calling you to action. Read his farewell address and his warning about political parties.
Put country before party and register unaffiliated
A hypothetical solution for this "war"….is to get out of the war, let the Rep & Dems fight it out, while we BUILD ANEW! While at the same time, resist any and all of their socialist efforts of course….The school systems are cranking out socialist philsophies, etc….and keeping the students mis-informed…that's a start of our problems that must be stopped too. The present two party system: Each is "cemented" together primarily with money….This is actually a Marxist habit….The groups would be cemented together with the mortar, and that Mortar being money (Marx) Then he continues with the A Team fighting with the B Team, and whoever wins is the Answer. While they all hate God…and His Word.
Marx said: "Money is the Lifeblood of the Universe, and it is the mortar that cements our groups together. A person is like a brick, until he joins a group, and becomes part of our Socialist Wall, and thereby the wall is strengthened."""Marx again,
What do you think about people running as Independent Conservatives? No party, maybe just a local Tea Party endorsement? It is a lot more difficult, as you have to gather signatures to get the Indpendent on the ballot.
You so don't get it.
We want AN END TO POWER. The only way to do this, without gaining power and being corrupted by it, is to withdraw our power from the powerful. Unfortunately, there's a lot of political naivete in the TP movement. They think we can reduce government at home and still fight a couple good wars in the Middle East. Or that we can keep some government goodies and not others. No, we can't go back to 1959, or 1934, or 1876…we need to go back to 1776….if not 1606.
said like a true government party member
As liberty slips through our fingers.. I remember the words of my hero George..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington%27...
http://www.forbes.com/global/2006/0508/014.html
In life, pain is the real motivator to action. How much longer will it take before people truly understand it has been the party system that has allowed the corruption to steal so such money, but the real theft is to our freedom.
Once a nation followed George to freedom.. It is time to follow him to freedom again.. Walk away from your party.. For it is a thief, a king that weakens your heart and blocks your way to freedom..
That lost feeling in your heart is George Washington calling you to action. Read his farewell address and his warning about political parties.
Put country before party and register unaffiliated
You had me on board…until I saw Hannity's name mentioned…Another gutless talking head who COULD use his position to help the movement, instead he just hurls insults and runs over every response. I listened to Sean three hours a day, five days a week for many years. Sean, Glenn and all of the other yappers are simply opportunistic profiteers who will use the profits made of those who will really end up fighting the revolution to fund a cushy life on a yacht somewhere while we true patriots take our country back. You will never see Beck, Hannity or any other talking head crossing the delaware in freezing temps willing to die to protect our constitution. NEVER.
Totally agree, Joan. Not going the distance; not putting in the hard work surely will result in fruitless gains. As third parties fall by the wayside in the past, it would be so easy to abandon the idea. i do believe Tea Partiers represent good, honest intentions. Humans ultimately have two choices to make: and it's always between Good and Evil. To make no choice is to allow evil to flourish.
To a Hottie WITH gray matter, (sorry….couldn't help it….just sayin')
Yes, please let us know.
you did formulate it you hit the nail right on the head
states need to take a stand they need to start opposing the feds thats how it is written up weve just lost our way. its a heck of alot easier to affect change state and locally than nationaly. and i might add if you need a third party they are a heck of alot easier to organize on a state and local level. thwe power is in the constitution we just need to find it again and states need to help.
I would put a rabid dog down more mercifully than I would this bunch of degenerates currently occupying the WH, senate and house.
The rabid dog couldn't help himself, but this sleaze has made a conscious choice to do what they are trying to do.
And a big AMEN!!! about Gingrich.
You are so right. ACORN does its best work in primaries–keeping conservatives out of the running or allowing a fringe kook to win. I truly believe that's how we got McCain.
If we can keep the primaries honest, a true leader will emerge.
Some will say that money is the key. But what is the money used for? It is used to garner votes via exposure – especially in T.V. advertising. Personally, I reject this money laundering effort as 100% necessity. In the end, it is the votes that matter. As a 9-12er, I have joined with like minded people in an effort to get people to realize that it is the vote that matters the most, that informed votes are the key. This is not to say money is irrelevant, just that it is secondary.
I am proud that this movement has not required a leader to guide it. That shows how truly grassroots it is. PosterBoy politics is part of the problem. Hollywood Hype creating a celebrity to follow is exactly what we have in the Oval Office today. Why follow that model? How can positive change be exacted by doing the same things that got us into this situation?
We each much lead ourselves, because we want to, not follow another because we are told to.
"But how do we channel that passion into something that can lead to positive change?"
We relate to everyone the stark reality that donating 50 bucks isn't a substitute for knowing the candidates and where they stand in the principles and values department. We make it clear that each and every vote cast, and not cast, matters. We demonstrate that bowing down and voting against something, or voting for the lesser of two evils, is no longer acceptable. More than anything, we must refuse the attempts made to defer personal responsibility for votes cast.
In the specific, we can embark on activities that expose the corruption for what it is. As example, I will offer up Illinois. We have a write in option here, which includes a serious but little understood caveat. Sure, you can write in whomever you so choose, but in order for that vote to actually be counted, the person you wrote in must have already filed for acceptance of those votes. This is blatantly unjust. Every vote cast has got to be counted – no matter who is voted for.
How can we exact positive change in this arena? Well, we could see elected officials do it for us at our request. Now that I have you all laughing, I will offer an alternative that would actually garner attention. Illinois voters could easily stand together and expose this form of corruption by refusing to just vote for the allowed options on the ballot and write in candidate after candidate instead.
When thousands upon thousand upon thousands of ballots in precinct after precinct after precinct sit uncounted, there will be no way to hide the scandal that is Illinois' rules regarding the write in option. We have the inalienable right to vote for whomever we decide and it be counted, and this decision is not limited by government machination of who is allowed on a ballot or not. It is time we demonstrate that We The People hold this authority even if Chicago Machine politicians think they hold it.
When you go to cast your vote, if there isn't a candidate listed that you support, then write in your own name or one of someone you do support. Only when individual people decide to reject the status quo will the status quo change. No poster boy can do this for us, we all must do so ourselves.
If the GOP can't grow a set, then we NEED a third party of PATRIOTS! NO MORE RINOS/CINOS!
PETREAUS/PALIN 2012
http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2009/12/30/...
The Anti Liberal Zone
If the GOP can't grow a set, then we NEED a third party of PATRIOTS! NO MORE RINOS/CINOS!
PETREAUS/PALIN 2012
http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2009/12/30/...
The Anti Liberal Zone
and if we continue doing the same we will get the same results.
I'll use your 'Look'.. I'm involved within the R party, but not as a cooperative. I DO NOT believe for a second that the RNC will allow a national candidate that is not a croney to the elite of the party – and they're abilibties to route campaign funding will assure that. I'm there trying to build a base for a future.. but it's on blind faith. because the national level MUST be addressed RIGHT NOW for there to be any hope for a constitutional government in the future. This current crowd will not be satisfied if there is one shread of integrity left in the Constitution and their timetable is NOW.
States rights have been trampled on or ignored by the Federal Government for decades. Yes, it is time to stop it, and correct it. But…there is always a but. How are we to do that in democrat controlled states? You know they will continue the voter fraud and intimidation and corruption unabated and that the minorities that they have created will continue to support them because if they don't…they lose their welfare and will have to start contributing instead of taking.
the republicans elected clinton, by turning their backs on we the people. this is like BO keeps Blaming bush. ironic.
If we move in mass, be it ever so circuitously, we shall attain our object; but if we break into squads, everyone pursuing the path he thinks most direct, we become an easy conquest to those who can now barely hold us in check.
Thomas Jefferson, 1811
why is people like me are splitting when was the parties that turned their back on we the people.
we are not far apart but what divides us is an ocean of lies.
The dirty secret of the parties.. Most districts are carved up into shapes that resemble ROAD KILL so the parties can ensure their re-election and silence dissention.. Let us peek into our future.. where all politics is local and 85% of incumbents historically will win re-election, because that is how the system is designed by the parties. . For re-election.. Elections are about districts and voter registration. .Democratic district will simply elect a democrat.
How much longer will it take before people truly understand it has been the party system that has allowed the corruption to steal so much money, but the real theft is to our freedom..
That lost feeling in your heart is George Washington calling you to action. Read his farewell address and his warning about political parties.
the "patriot party", sounds too ,well patriotic but it does send the message to the dems. "tea party" scared the booboo out of pudlosi. it matters not any mass up rising against pudlosi and hussein will get the job done. God bless 2010 and 2012 may the TRUE AMERICANS prevail.
We have had this discussion before but I must interject something specific. Here in Illinois, your solution amounts to telling people not to vote in any primaries. Far too many people not voting, combined with less than informed voters casting incoherent votes, is the problem and your solution augments that problem. Understood, this may not be the case where you live – but it is the case here.
My alternative solution, which qualifies my opposition, is to encourage more voting by more people with more information employed to produce a better result.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with your position of putting something before party. I offer that this something must be the sanctity of the informed individual vote. Give up that Liberty and all others are in danger.
I agree. I have voted R all my life with the exception of Perot. I don't regret it. I voted for fiscal change. Having said that. I will never vote R again. John Cornin refused to answer some simple questions I submitted to him. One being "Will you provide the names of those who actually wrote the HC reform bill". I have met Sen. Cornin in Austin and he is nice enough, but he will never get my vote again. The other thing is that republicans refuse to fight and end up getting bitch-slapped by the dems. Someone, I think it was CowboyLogic, who said it was like taking a knife to a shootout. When it is corruption, use the word corruption instead of "questionable". Why can't just one of them stand up and say…
"I will spend my last breath defending the American people against this tyranny. I will not stand by and allow any of you to succeed in destroying our republic. I took an oath and I will uphold that oath. Prepare to answer to the people."
You will never see anyone speak those words on the floor of either House.
ExTex, you hit the nail on the head with that one.
A leader emerging from within a grassroots movement has far more longevity and merit than a movement emerging from a leader and their trite rhetoric.
Well, I was going for poetic alliteration, after all.
Pity that a perfectly piquant word has paled into a pejorative.
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The article's author was wrong to assume male's are the only leaders, etc. I am preferring to believe it was a grammatical oversight, use of an all encompassing male gender, etc. Please let's not get wrapped up in exact verbage and keep the focus where it should be, the principals laid out by the Founding Fathers. Oops, but you know what I mean. A leader is a leader and sex does not make or break a leader!
He's right. Next tea party lets burn and loot like the lefties
Not really.
I took part in a Tea Party event in left-oriented Eugene, OR, and found a full range of people there. Ministers, citizens of all social classes, political non-participants, and a few Blacks. I am not a member of the Republican party and reject what it has become. I hope the Tea Party movement doesn't help the half-wit dheminni-crats win, but I am through with accepting and voting for the lesser of two weavels.
glad to see you..closed primaries are a problem in my state too. if enough people registered independent it would force them to open up the primaries after all it is tax payer money and what party would steal taxpayer money and refuse to allow those same tax payers to vote? it seems to me the republicans would open their arms to independent to save their worthless hides. change doesn't happen over night but you must start some where. in most states you can change your registertion as many time as you want and in time to vote in the primary… to vote for the person who will destroy this unrepresentative system. yes dealing with the devil must happen but make the devil pay the price. staying unaffilated for as long as possible throws off their gerrymandering and spending habits.
Guilt by association eh? You know better than that.
McCain chose Palin specifically because she held different positions than his own, especially in the Illegal immigration and firearms departments. He sought to gain votes he knew he didn't have as a result of his own positions, again, especially regarding those two topics.
The only reason that election was as close as it was rests with McCain's decision to pick Palin. Had he picked someone on his same page, it would have been a landslide.
Papa Bush sure didn't agree with everything Ronald Reagan said and did and Cheney sure didn't agree with every Bush position. Al Gore didn't want Clinton on his campaign trail at all.
Might I suggest you reconsider the equation you present?
How come you don't like Ronald Reagan, the inspiration for the neo-conservative movement which believes Liberty would never be achieved so long as Tyrants ruled the world.
They do what they do because they know that sheep will follow. They will continue until sheep no longer follow.
Maybe we can agree on this statement:
Vote the person, on their individual merits, not the party.
Thanks for the props….Zeak. but more noteworthy is the distinction that you make between Conservatives vs. Republicans. Self-reliance is the true mark of Conservatism!!!
I won't pretend to speak for the Tea Party movement. However, speaking of my own motivation for going to the "parties', it was about a dramatic return to constitutional government, shrinking the federal behemoth, and rolling back the liberty stealing controls over every aspect of American life that have been injected by an unresponsive government.
DeMint and Pence get it! They were made quite welcome at the DC protest. I never saw the Tea Party as a third party but rather as vehicle for delivering a message. The GOP can be the prime beneficiary of the movement but we need to hear our message, which was strongly sent this year, on the lips of every would be candidate.
If the GOP is paying attention then we will see primaries next year. If not, they risk a repeat of NY-23, or worse, the voters staying home. The ball is their court.
Sure blame the party however consider the fact that way too many 'we the peoples' continue voting for their government goodies INCLUDING those Independents and Libertarians who enjoy highly-paid lavish federal bureaucratic jobs working for the very Big Government they claim enslave them.
How about too many 'we the people' got greedy for government goodies and turned their back on Liberty?
What is it like for you living in the 57th State?
Are you happy with your unicorns and free pie?
Independent voters are like Moderates, both never seem to know exactly where they stand on any given subject at any given moment in time.
No thanks.
I fully agree with that statement….that is my goal…
and you are right about the sheep most people just simple vote for the R or the D. and thus why I fight the party system.
this is for the readers passing by.
The dirty secret of the parties.. Most districts are carved up into shapes that resemble ROAD KILL so the parties can ensure their re-election and silence dissention.. Let us peek into our future.. where all politics is local and 85% of incumbents historically will win re-election, because that is how the system is designed by the parties. . For re-election.. Elections are about districts and voter registration. .Democratic district will simply elect a democrat.
How much longer will it take before people truly understand it has been the party system that has allowed the corruption to steal so much money, but the real theft is to our freedom..
That lost feeling in your heart is George Washington calling you to action. Read his farewell address and his warning about political parties.
The dirty secret of the parties.. Most districts are carved up into shapes that resemble ROAD KILL so the parties can ensure their re-election and silence dissention.. Let us peek into our future.. where all politics is local and 85% of incumbents historically will win re-election, because that is how the system is designed by the parties. . For re-election.. Elections are about districts and voter registration. .Democratic district will simply elect a democrat.
How much longer will it take before people truly understand it has been the party system that has allowed the corruption to steal so much money, but the real theft is to our freedom..
That lost feeling in your heart is George Washington calling you to action. Read his farewell address and his warning about political parties.
The Tea Party isn't what we hear about in the media. It's merely a revolt on big government, taxes, socialism and out of control government spending. I think it is successful because there isn't a leader but is comprised of regular people who aren't going to sit on the sidelines anymore. The tea partiers are Democrats, Republicans and Libertarians who see this administration's agenda for what it is and don't agree with this hopenchange garbage.
The tea party movement isn't a political party and I don't believe the majority who agree with the ideals wants it to be a political party so to think it needs to stop is nonesense. In reality there is no formal movement to stop or fail.
I don't want it to have a leader and prefer many like-minded individuals help set-up events for people to attend. Anyone who believes in the ideals, no matter what political affiliation, is welcome to attend, speak and support the cause to turn thing around. The movement isn't a lifestyle like we see with the extreme left but is just opposition to the current administration's direction for America.
Our leaders: The Cheney family!
The 9/11 Truther Ronulans is the reason why I am not excited about forming a third political party under the banner of Tea Party Party. Plus, I do not appreciates thugs and so many Ronulans are thugs.
Honestly, I really think creepy Alex Jones is creepy Amy Goodman in drag; same bizarre conspiratorial insanity.
No thanks.
I tried..
when your partner robs a bank and you are just a get away driver. in the eyes of the law you are just as guilty.
she could have said NO.. she should have said NO. but she didn't.
we hold democrats respondsible for BO.. I read that on these pages every day
Actions have consequences she made her choice.
The American people believe in redemption and second chances, which is good, but not when it is given to a politician. It is part of the original philosophy of America is to elect people who would fix some need and then go back to society and live under the rules that they created. The term re-elect spits in the face of that principle.
The old saying excuses are like axxholes everyone has one, well every politician has an excuse for every failure.
Most states are fire at will, which translates your boss can fire you for good reason, bad reason, or no reason at all. We are the boss on this and it is time to fire them all,
Here they are, the Top 10 "Most Wanted", Corrupt Politicians of 2009:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2009/dec/judici...
The leader needs to be someone with a daily pulpit. The person who really got the movement going was Glenn Beck and he would be a good motivational leader. Palin would also be a perfect person. Glenn 'started something' in a visit to Orlando with a 'solution to the problem' but I could never figure out the 100 year plan and being community organizers. The timing needs to be considered carefully. A single web organization is needed for channeling all local efforts.
The problem with voting for the GOP is that it only encourages them. Get strong conservative candidates in the RINO states and replace them in the primaries. Start in Arizona, Maine and North Carolina
There are three big leaders in this movement: Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, and Jim DeMint. These three are respected conservatives that follow the model politician we tea partiers like.
Republican party is in a whole heap of mess.
Of course it needs fixing. But the problem is, the republican party expects tea partiers to vote for them. So they put forth any RINO and expect us, like a heard of sheep to vote for that person. They better think again. I personally am not donating a cent to the RNC. We need to vote for the candidate not the party. Because we get Arlen Specter, Olympia Snowe, or Susan Collins.
Am I saying moderates are bad? NO.
I love Rudy Giuliani, although we disagree on abortion, he is for small government, national security, and cutting taxes. We need politicians with these principles.
Yes, but a lot of the Independents that are needed, like myself, are much more Libertarian by nature, and have some concerns about the Republican control of personal lives. Fiscal conservatisms and small government, Yes, but let the State's deal with State issues (e.g. pro-life/pro-choice, alcohol and marijuana laws, etc.). For me to vote Republican, such candidate must want to stay out of my personal life.
Here here!
The tea party movement should be morphed into the self appointed Inspector General of the GOP in my opinion, they make sure the party elects candidates that are the best that can be found and embraces the movements principles.
This is an endorsement mechanism that the GOP should embrace (but probably not welcome) the carrot is the grass roots support, the stick is running an independent candidate if you screw us over.
This puts the movement in the position of a "Potential" 3rd party opposition camp if necessary but also lets us leverage the GOP mechanism to embed principled candidates for maximum effectiveness.
I think it could work if an organizational structure was in place to manage it, we need a clearing house, and a simple vetting platform that we can all agree on.
The vetting platform should qualify a candidate and address the most pressing issues, in my opinion they should be limited and directed at systemic reform that addresses the worst of our nations issues, what we don’t address we can leave open for discussion at a later date.
The TPP succeeds because it stands for nothing that mainstream Americans hate; it is only hated by the major political parties and the extremists. Fiscal Responsibility, Limited Government, and Free Market are difficult to hate unless you have an agenda. I read that the TPP needs to remake the Republican Party; this is wrong. Parties have platforms that include other issues such as abortion, gay rights, human trafficking, etc. These things make THEM easy to hate. Most Americans can fit in the TPP tent; if they just understand the simplicity of the tent. This country’s ails can't be cured overnight. I'll accept the gains that can be achieved by electing candidates of ANY party so long as they stand for the three TPP principles; I don‘t care about their stance on other issues. The TPP will succeed if it continues to emphasize its three principles and makes it known that it will back politicians of any party so long as they support these principles. If the TPP does this the only people in America that will hate us are the major political parties and the extremists (and the MSM!!). This movement isn't about remaking political parties; its about rescuing America.
THE CENTER is the reason why America is in this mess. Triangulation.
When THE CENTER is principled upon 'Fiscally-Conservative-Socially-Liberal-Fiscally-Liberal-Socially-Conservative' then the politicians from both parties campaign with gobbledygook.
Throw in 'Climate Change Fraud' which THE CENTER bought lock, stock and barrel when it was the fashionable thing to do then THE CENTER ends up a miss-mash of unprincipled mush.
Run insurgent Conservatives in the Republican Party-this is how Reagan showed America the right path to take, IT IS THAT SIMPLE,
Agree. One can still vote Republican or Democrat. There is no reason NOT to register independent (yes, I know, no primaries, but …)
I for I do not share Mr. Hutson's pessimism, there is time for for leadership to emerge, and money will not be problem, Sara Palin aint chopped liver people. I think there is enough concern and desire for 'real hope and change' that a grassroots organization will continue to emerge. ther will be plenty of help from powerful people in this country people, do not dispair..
Agreed. For every leader that might come forward, dems, rinos and their media tools will simply go nuclear on that person, with a full-tilt alinsky mode attack in an attempt to divide and discredit the Tea Party movement. With the force of an army made up of millions of anonymous Thomas Jeffersons, Ronald Reagans, Sarah Palins, Joe the Plumbers, Tito the Builder, the enemy will find nowhere to strike. For now, patience. Let the marxists flail about, impotent and in the dark as to what is coming next.
I am female and honestly stop with 'men are oppressive crap'.
In the last election did you not see the nastiest of nasty misogyny towards Gov Palin coming from WOMEN which includes Andrew Sullivan?
i know exactly what I stand for.. it is the party members who must be told what to think.
Ruebacca! Great response! But, what are we going to do when the 2010 elections are stopped by using the 2009 G.W. Bush "Domestic Terrorist Act!" NOTHING!!! Unless, you want Mao's 12,000,000 murdered in the power grab in China to be repeated! Don't think that an Army of America, including the illegals, would not do exactly that!
If only that would work!
I have been blogging about TeaParty/GOP integration since May, just days after the April Chicago TeaParty. Like it or not, if the TeaParty is to be successful in 2010 and beyond, it must work with the GOP. Here's my latest take:
http://luciusquinctius.blogspot.com/2009/12/will-...
Precisely what I was thinking! She is being vilified, misquoted, slandered, back-stabbed by in-laws and her own political party. Assailed by a leftist media and a corrupt opposition party, she stands firm on her convictions. We could a whole lot more of that among the political class and not just the marxist democrats.
MODERATES are the reason why America is in this mess; Moderates want everything yet stand for nothing.
For the past two decades America's political landscape was built upon triangulating the needs of the Moderate vote; all this has done was create confusing gobbledygook.
At least Liberals believe what they believe and Conservatives believe what they believe.
Moderates are just a muck of mushy waiting to see which side is popular at the moment.
Moderates, the world catered to your every want and need and we all paying the price for the mush.
The tea party people should embrace and change the Republican party?
And we have time to completely purge AND re-establish the Republican faction in less than a year? The R.I.N.O.s have had decades, (that's "decades"), to establish themselves and we're supposed to root them out, identify them and remove them in less than a year? The Republican faction's R.I.N.O.s are so well entrenched that they now 'are' the Republican party! Does anyone honestly think that one can do 'all' of the things necessary to get rid of the R.I.N.O.s when one has 'no' power in the party and the R.I.N.O.s have 'all' of the power in the party, 'easier' than a third party can be formed without them interfering? Seriously? Who is 'that' naive and gullible? Really, who is? The die hard Republican voters are going to be the spoilers who get the Liberal Democrat faction re-elected to power in the next election. Please! Use some common sense for America's sake! We don't have time to save the Republican party! America needs relief 'now'!
now for the money.. why out district groups and people allowed to give to a candidate? all that does is silences voices of the voters of that district.
When New Hampshire voted for John McCain because people in New Hampshire bought into the Climate Fraud then it is clear to see that Independents are not what they appear to be.
Why? Because since about 1934 and FDR, only what Sociologist call "External" personalities are allowed to gain citizenship and they are now in control! America is one of the only primary "Internal" personality people in history, since Ancient Israel! But it has been systematically replaced by people who exhibit an "External" Personality Type, ready to follow a Hitler, excuse me, NO, a Mao Tse Tung to the death!
PS: Yes, Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are also included as an "Internal" Personality people, at least, they were started that way!
Let whomever donate how much ever. Just make it 100% transparent. Overt. If you agree with the position of the candidate and have affinity for his supporters, what does it matter if it's Soros or Halliburton? Let the people decide whose money is more filthy and go with it.
No mention of the triangulation from both parties to get the Moderate vote.
Moderates cannot be 'fiscally conservative-socially liberal/fiscally liberal-socially conservative' and not expect the country to end up a blob of mess.
If Politician is scared, nobody is acting like it! Maybe they know something about our future the we don't???
I betcha!
it will work.. I post on conservative and lib sites.. no parties… scare both parties to death both use the same arguments.. they said 912 couldn't put million people in washington using word of mouth and it happened. register independent and take their power away..
The American people believe in redemption and second chances, which is good, but not when it is given to a politician. It is part of the original philosophy of America is to elect people who would fix some need and then go back to society and live under the rules that they created. The term re-elect spits in the face of that principle.
The old saying excuses are like axxholes everyone has one, well every politician has an excuse for every failure.
Most states are fire at will, which translates your boss can fire you for good reason, bad reason, or no reason at all. We are the boss on this and it is time to fire them all,
I can't see Palin pulling the women vote! That's presently the only thing that worries me!
As last time, Obama will pull away the women vote!
I was telling my psychiatrist the exact same thing the other day. The neocon chickenhawks of the Zionist Cabal are to blame for everything. He was quite impressed, seeing as how I used to blame everything on interdimensional gremlins. But he still upped the dosage of my Happy Pills.
"Patriot Party"….I love it. Nice job. We need to get it to guys like Beck, Wilkow, Church, Levin, etc to get it moving in the right direction.
Ruebacca, I have to hand it to you; you consistently make sense!
the money is already public record.. it has stop nothing.. both parties have become the party of lobbyist..
this is how the system works now.
a lobbyist contribute money to a candidate. he returns favor by a tax cut or contract.. that lobbyist nw uses the money he recieved from the government to donate to that candidate again.
As Walter Brennen used to say "No Ar guu-ment here!
Well, my first choice, for several reasons, is still that we call the entire enterprise The New Whiskey Rebellion.
Stronger medicine than Tea, and the burn is harder to ignore!
No it's not totally transparent. Nobody has yet to look into Obama's millions he received via Internet donations that remain under suspicion. Besides, the entitlement crowd is still where the actual votes come from and the bribes to them are paid for by you and me. That much is perfectly clear!
Went to the Tucson Tea Party – a great sunny afternoon! We stand for much smaller government, lower taxes, the 10th amendment, and stopping illegal immigration, basically. So the speakers ripped into the Dems as well as GW Bush, rightfully so. If the GOP moves in this direction, it gets turnout again. That's how big tents work. Writer Huston here is guessing. My opinion is that the GOP twists in the wind without this new invigoration…
It's only those remaining that Sociologist call "Internal" Personality types, what America was made up of until FDR in 1934 made it so only "External" Personality Types an get citizenship's in America! That is true to this day, again meaning that there is no real difference between American Political Party's. They will follow Obama's idol Mao Tse Tung to hell and not know the difference!!!
I still say that she can not pull the women vote away from Obama!
This is irrational considering the spending under Obama is four times the spending under Bush.
The problem is triangualtion for the Moderate vote-stuff like:
- fiscal Conservative/Libertarians wanting government funded embryonic stem-cell cure-all for everything research.
-fiscal Conservative/libertarians supporting strict environment regulations whereby preventing access to tapping our own energy resources (AR, CA,CO are rife with this problem)
- social Conservatives negotiating deals to receive permanent Medicaid funding for Nebraska while voting for abortion funding in their fiscally -liberal policy of having absolute government-controlled health care.
Tribulation, this mush of Moderate mess is how 50% of weekly Catholic goers ended up voting for the politician whose position against the sanity of life is more extreme than NARAL.
i can't speak to presidential contributions never researched that, but i can find my local reps.. and almost all recieve more out state money than in state..
Excellent points. Vote fraud is what has enabled this situation and will continue until it stopped by everyday Americans who need to stay awake to the political reality and a congress responsive to those people. The Democrats allowed themselves to be infiltrated and eventually taken over by the progressives. The Republicans strayed, stupidly, from a platform of fiscal responsibility indeed, if they ever really were, and have morphed into a organization that attempts to pander to a demographic that has been taught not to like them. The TPM is, mostly independent. A great majority of their affiliates have shaken off both mainstream parties. The democrats will never garner any support from the TPM. The Republicans will only do so by default, running a conservative or, in some cases, a libertarian with conservative philosophies.
Sue – I will not stop fighting to be equal to my brothers. This fight does not mean I do not respect, love or care greatly for them it simply means I want, as a professional, hard fighting, smart woman to be equal as motionview above states. He got it, hell even Michael got it, why can't you as woman get it.
And btw, both Sarah and Hillary were shredded b/c they don't wear a noose around their necks. I'm sick of it from both sides WHICH IS ONE OF THE REASONS I'M IN THE MIDDLE! They either pander or ignore us. And to think that the majority of the individuals who make up the Tea Party movement, hell, they even started it, were WOMEN! Many of these good patriots were Hillary and Palin supporters and I'm not going to support anyone ever who does not respect my equality. Period!
dr_cathy, Do you really think that if our forefather's e.g., Washington, Adams, Jefferson, especially Ben Franklin, who actually made this country get past go, had told the people that they actually believed that they would have been our forefathers? Our most powerful forefather's all belonged to "secret societies" that worshiped "Lucifer," which almost go out in 1790 in upper New York State, of all places! Check out the history channel sometime.
PS: Our forefather's mentioned all would have died at the stake if their "secrets" had gotten out to the general public! No, not much has changed!
most people don't know their district looks like road kill. or how much out state money is given to their reps.
IRRIATIONAL? since you brought up bush lets take him. perscription drug program largest social program since social security. thats on example i can name others. i also "think" it was bush who pushed for tarp and pushed for bank takeovers and started the government take over of public companies. not once did he do anything about freddie or fannie. i cannot think of one thing president bush did that was "conservative" in his budgets. and to say he didnt spend as much as obama is a joke of an argument. if he would have known he could get away with it he would have tried. bush and obama are like comparing oranges to tangerines sure there are some minor differences but basicaly its the same dang fruit they are fiscal brothers.
She could have said no, but Obama was worse. Between Obama and McCain who would you vote for? That was the choice she was given. There are tons of us here who voted McCain even though we didn't like him, If I gave you a choice between shooting yourself in the foot or the head which would you pick… and screaming DAR IRZ PICK NONE isn't an option.
Your logic is lacking.
your assumption about Climate Change support from the center is too broad for my liking. I am the center AND a professional conservationist and I NEVER BOUGHT INTO IT. The center is not one size fits all as you so aptly stated in your second thought.
in most states we can re-register as many times as we want. closed primaries are choices of the parties and they also steal money from tax payers to pay for those primaries and then deny those same taxpayers a right to vote.. sounds like socialism to me.
the independent movement is growing and the parties CAN'T stop it. the republicans are third party to a party that doesn't exist. it would prudent for republicans to open up primaries or face destruction..
EVIL POLITICIANS now are leading a majority of America that does not consider "Freedom" all that important!
It is not in their "cultural background," which is the reason it was orchestrated by our forefathers to become that way! I'm learning a lot on the History Channel, all of which I generally have been unable to disprove! By culture, people tend either to be Internal in their personality, or External. Since FDR only "Externals" (cultures that believe that "fate" is the hunter can get an American Citizenship! And you are seeing the results!
you forget his wonderful record on limiting federal intrusion into privacy rights and creating a budget monster doing it, and then his $800billion blank check he provided to give this mess a nice boost on his way out. He's definitely not defendable in a fiscal conservative discussion.
I agree with thebarbarian completly! I shall ride my unicorn to the polling booths to vote 3rd party. Because in an ideal utopia unicorns exist for everyone.
Oh wait, crap, we live in the real world where we can't achieve the ideal in most if not all circmstances. Infact, the people who want to acheive "Utopia" tend to be the liberals with their hand outs which have been proven to not work to create the "Utopia" they were meant to.
Bottom line for those with logic: Utopia doesn't exist, and as much as we'd like to reboot both partys, if enough people vote 3rd party instead or republican, and no liberals split their vote, then the liberals will win the election. So logic gives you one of two choices…
Vote republican and have a republican. Vote 3rd party and have a liberal, but at least you made a point.
I don't want career politicians to hijack The Tea Party Movement.
Oblamo will now dismantle the CIA since it is all their fault for Christmas bomber. Not. Oblamo says everything is Bush's fault. A whiney man-child President demeaning the Office.
[...] Tea Parties: The Biggest Mistake We Could Make in 2010 from Big Government by Warner Todd Huston [...]
Yeh, but they (All our Rights given by all our politicians since the beginning now systematically have been reduced into a minority, especially since FDR, so it does not get counted very much on changing protocol! Ignorance is Bliss!
She could voted for him, but being a partner in crime is different level…spoken like true republican.. we gave you choice between two evils what more do you want.
sorry we have closed primaries so republican gave me McCain. third parties were excluded off the ballot so much for freedom. So in reality it was republicans who got BO elected.
i agree his record on our constitutional rights is atrocious BUSH WAS NOT A CONSERVATIVE and neither was his father
My hero is George..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Washington%27...
http://www.forbes.com/global/2006/0508/014.html
Once a nation followed George to freedom.. It is time to follow him to freedom again.. Walk away from your party.. For it is a thief, a king that weakens your heart and blocks your way to freedom..
That lost feeling in your heart is George Washington calling you to action. Read his farewell address and his warning about political parties.
Put country before party and register unaffiliated
The best comment yet. Well said.
-Joshua
http://www.ForgottenMen.com
No! The problem is that our politicians continue to only "allow" what Sociologist call: "External" Personality Types get get United States Citizenship. This has been true since FDR's New Deal in 1934! Now, they have successfully replaced our founding "Internal" Personality Types large majority with External Personality Types (Fate is the hunter types) who will follow "Mao" to the death! I've recently also seen all these "facts" on the History Channel! However, we have to be careful everywhere because cultural lies make up a large part of any society! Victors write the history, not losers! Prove all things!
The crux of this issue (and the "leader" proposition) is this: Do we as "T-people, and "T" might imply third, want to follow the Constitution, a Constitution platform candidate such as Palin, or the proven dysfunctional RNC. This is Palin's for the asking. To think that the democrat's Waterloo is about partisan politics ignores what the dissent is about. The RINO's will be thrown out as well.
The Tea Party movement isn't FOR something and that is the biggest problem. The Progressives/Democrats are FOR essentially liberal state control of private enterprise through more and more entitlements and bribes. In essence, yes they are basically for Communism/Marxism lite through redistribution of wealth and property.
We are going to have to go through some type of depression (which i believe is inevitable) to wake people up that our economy must correct and go through a very massive downturn (something that should have happened between 2007 and 2009), but it was not allowed to do so. Now, that we have spent trillions of dollars of imaginary money on thousands of zombie institutions who are now current wards of the state (AIG/BoA/Citi/Fannie/Freddie/GM/Chrysler, etc).
If the Tea Party wants to be FOR something, I suggest being for LIBERTY (economic, political, and individual liberty). That is a big tent and that means cutting the welfare/warfare state and returning power to the many states.
The Constitution was ratified by 13 sovereign colonies who had drafted their own constitutions. Ever since the Civil War, we have transformed into a Nationalist country instead of a Federalist country.
I fear it may be too late to turn back to it since gov't only knows one way of governing…more and more power.
Wake yourselves up and start living your own life today by becoming self sufficient and not being dependent on anyone.
http://andykatherman.blogspot.com
spoken like a republican.. I feel all warm and fuzzy now. WHAT PART OF NO PARTY DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND? IS it the NO part? Lets get the rules straight the parties stole my freedom and I want it back. Since you spread your wisdom across these pages defending republicans then I am speaking to a person who helped in that theft. so tell me how does helping republicans change a democratic district that will simply vote for a democrat.. It doesn't.
registering independents does.. by the way you owe me I WANT MY FREEDOM BACK
Two words: Ross Perot. Ross siphoned off 19% of Bush's vote and got Bill Clinton elected. The Tea Party movement MUST shove the Republican party into the proper mode. There aren't enough votes to split that conservative vote into two camps.
Joan,
I agree that we should simplify the terminology but lets call them for what they are, Patriot's VS Socialist's or Communist's. At least that way we are not hiding behind the rhetoric of the spin masters.
history does repeat itself..
too among these page don't care about freedom only their party.
Heh. I thought the word politician was universally accepted as a substitute for Socialist, Communist, Liar, Damn Liar, Prostitute, Sellout, Traitor, Snake-oil Salesman, Thief, Satrap, and, um, Prevaricator.
Gonna go check my thesaurus. brb. . .
Amen! The Republican party is not the answer. The leaderless nature of the Tea Party movement is it's strengths, not it's weakness. It's much more difficult to swat at a swarm than to pile on to a centralized organization. The real "biggest mistake" will be to lose focus on the problem of big government and succumb to he distractions of both big government parties.
@underarock
I'm on board with that, but I wonder if it's enough glue to make a movement stick together. I think of how sincerely devout Christians oppose abortion. To them it IS and individual rights issue. The idea that they could concede that issue to a larger one of constitutionalism seems unlikely.
we need to ask every candidate running in 2010, if elected, would they consider impeachment of obama and make that the criteria for our votes. and i say that as a (former) dem who voted for mccain.
Here's the problem with this article. Whether or not you agree with the premise, the Tea Paties aren't something "we" do. They are the first truly grassroots movement in this country in a long time. Since "we" didn' t start them, "we" can't control them. They are oprginic…a movemetn with a life of their own, and they will be and do the collective will of their members. Those who attempt to channel or control them risk being chewed up in their wake just as those who plan to oppose them.
I think he is spinning the republican lie. if he attended a tea party or a 912 march on washington I think he would have not written his words.
independents are growing everyday.. this movement will not fizzle.
A minimal state would (I contend) approach that ideal. Because the role of the governement would be so severely constrained by popular opinion (which is the ultimate source of all power) leaders would play the role of administrators, not rulers.
The problem is that we are so far away from that minimal state and public opinion has not coalesced around the ideas of individual liberty and limited government, that we are going to have to play the "power game." In doing so, we will have to select people willing to dismantle government and put themselves out of a job. Maybe the party could be called the Cincinnatus movement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnatus
republicans gave you McCAIN and no one else.
I was there for the last three rallies at the Capitol. The first one had thousands of people. it was held at the front
of the capitol. The last two in back. The second had maybe two thousand, probably less. that was the day the
house passed the bill. The last was when the senate voted the bill up for cloture. There were maybe 30 or 40
of us. We stood under a huge American flag and "Deputized" our selves not to give up on America. I take that
oath seriously. The tea party will not die now. We have proven it's worth. It will build. I know this because I have
stood with these great citizens. They are NOT fair weather Patriots. You are bombastic if you think you can hold
us down. A leader will emerge. And the Constitution will be preserved. OFO
There won't be an official leader of the movement. That will certainly open that person up to even more ridicule by the liberals and the media. However, it's pretty clear to me that first and foremost Sarah Palin is that leader. Look at what she did in New York 23 with Hoffman. I never heard of the guy, then all of a sudden Palin endorses him and his name gets out there all over Fox News, talk radio, and boom! he damn near wins that election and he would have if he'd rightfully gotten the nomination over that far-left Republican. To point to Hoffman's campaign as a failure is absurd in my book. You watch, he will win that seat in 2010. His only problem was his momentum got going a bit too late. Palin would never call herself the tea party leader, but to me she is the face of it if there is one. And she'll have a lot of help from the people on talk radio getting the message out as well. That post is pretty discouraging to read. I don't think he's right; I think not only will this movement push more conservatives into office, it will keep them honest as conservatives when they get there or they will be challenged in primaries around the country.
Warner and all of you sheeple,
I think you don't get it at all, dude. The Tea party movement isn't about being Republican or Independent or Moderate. it's about the threat to our way of life by the socialistic left and Obama's Faux Government. The only branding problem is that the Left is using the term Tea Baggers to demean belittle and deride the movement. All the more reason the Tea Party Movement members need to stick to their guns and not budge a millimeter. If the Tea Party Movement were to capitulate and rebrand itself then it becomes what it resists. This is an absurdity of purpose and will destroy the movement. I believe it is even more important that the Tea Party Movement capture the heat of the moment and grow even bigger in 2010. If you want to see Conservatives and true Moderates (not RINO Republicans) get elected in 2010, then don't take your eye off the ball now. The Republican Party is history if it doesn't start to support the Tea Party Movement with resal conservative and right-moderate candidates, positive proactive political plans and grass roots action rather than mindless campaigning, empty rhetoric and more RINOs.
maybe the tea party movement should take obama's advice "if they bring a knife to the fight, then we'll bring a gun" or this one " if anyone disagrees with you, get in their faces" we can use his own remarks against him. maybe if we brought ourselves down to his level and acted more like "community organizers", he'd get the message.
Yeah! Thanks, Mike! That makes me very happy. I will be there in spirit and I will follow the symposium closely. I hope they put up an Internet feed for us folks that can't make it personally.
i think the 2010 election will bring out more voters than has ever been seen in a mid-term election, the dems are hoping not many folks will turn out (as usual for a midterm) but i think they are in for a big surprise. much as i dislike the rep. party, its the only way to stop obama from giving away the store..or at least whats left of it.
Bring it on, let's roll! I am not afraid of the Left or their minion.
Sorry. Republicans aren't any more monolithic than any other group. Given the chance, conservative Republicans would win primaries in many places. Cross-over voters in states that allowed it in the primaries gave us McCain and then we were stuck with him. One of the many ways ACORN cheats.
sorry but rudy guiliani has no principles.
The Tea Party movement needs to focus on taking the House away from the Democrats in 2010. 435 seats; most are out of play via gerrymandering. That leaves about 75 run of the mill Democrats at risk, 55 Blue Dog Denocrats, and maybe 50 RINO/corrupticans. That is now only 180 races. Tea Party Independents take on the 75 tough races, the Republicans take on the Blue Dogs, and we TPM take on the 50 RINOs in the primaries. We move the Republicans towards Conservatism and provide some viable Conservative alternative to the Democrats in the North and East.
You CAN'T really be that obtuse!
Can you?
Stooping to the level of that which we oppose renders "us" into that which we oppose. That's the surest path to losing one's way, (become what we are trying to rid ourselves of). We aren't trying to convince Obama of anything. We're trying to rid ourselves of haughty politicians who believe that they are better than "We, The People"! We don't want the status quo to prevail. We want the Constitution to prevail. The whole idea behind the Tea party movement is to establish a better government than what the two party system has become.
You are very right. The Tea party Movement isn't about political part affiliation but rather taking back freedom and conservative principles affiliation. I have heard that conservatives and moderates that are independents outnumber all the registered Republicans and Democrats combined so it is quite possible that the Tea Party Movement may just be the king maker in the next presidential election if it hangs together.
I agree – the millions Obama received via the Internet should have raised a huge red-flag, but the Press ignored it. When someone says they got millions in donations, but deliberately destroyed all record of who the donations came from, or if some were multiple donations from the same source, to circumvent the max allowed per person…. You KNOW it was shady. That's why Obama did the about-face on just taking Public funding. One of his crew found the loophole in donating over the Internet by Credit Card. Just set the credit card acceptance software to not save any of the transaction info, and voila, money by the sack-full with no accountability at all. Some of Obama's insiders even hinted at computer rooms full of hired drones, entering and sending in hundreds of small donations a day, day after day, on "supplied" credit cards.
EXCELLENT IDEA Joan…..We the Tea are always think'in!!
ROFLMBO!!!!!!!
oh really? It had nothing to with starting in lib land first.. most states are CLOSED PRIMARIES for the republicans. Start it in texas and see what happens.
bahiabob
I belatedly see that you have already said in your post what I just posted, (after your post). I acknowledge that you said it first and said it very well. I agree wholeheartedly!
The Tea Party Movement needs to be more positive rather than just against. The movement should focus on principles almost everyone in the country can become passionate about: individual freedom, liberty and capitialism.
Avoid issues that divide people in the movement and that emphasize the negative–especially the social issues–anti-abortion, anti-immigration, prayer in public schools, etc. These issues will split conservatives, libertarians and independents. The most direct way to gain political influence will be to attempt to reform the Republican Party. If not, the movement will not need them if they stick with the core principles all can agree without compromise.
I absolutely agree. While she is a proud social conservative, the Tea Party movement seems to be focused on mainly fiscal conservative issues. She shouldn't renounce her social conservative views, but she musn't campaign on them either for she would alienate a good portion of the Tea Partiers. The country needs a good dose of fiscal conservatism right now or it goes over the edge, the social issues can wait.
The only savier for our party is Sarah Palin! She is a true patriot, the second coming of Ronald Reagan. She doesn't need a teleprompter, she answers all questions immediately. She's only getting smarter every day, by election time, she will have everything down pat. I believe in her as do so many others. A person like her only comes around very rarely and we need her now.
I agree with most all you said…..BUT…IK always a but……she needs more experience, foreign and domestic. The Iranians; NK; China;Russia…..whew…and that's only a few. I haven't seen the person I would support yet and kind of agree with article that we need a LEADER…..terrifying, that in a country of 308+ MILLION ppl there is not ONE soul to support. We need a cross b/t Palin her morals, standards and values, H. Cinton (just her ba11s), Demints' speaking and clarity, pinch of B. Clintons' charisma and Reagans "horse sense!" Anyone we know???????
I agree with Ruebacca. The real strength of the Tea Party Movement is that it is leaderless and beholden to no political party. This is where it gets its credibility and ability to draw voters of all stripe. It must remain issue oriented and support the right candidates regardless of party (independent, Libertarian, Republican or Democrat). I agree that financial support is extremely important and because of our numbers we can be a dominant force. But I also strongly believe that the movement will be doomed as soon as it attaches itself to any party, including becoming a third party.
You are dead on, StJoseph…Keep the eye on the ball, BigGov't, Acorn's morphing!!!
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Dear Barry, please do the right thing for America; admit you were totally unqualified for the job, and don't have a clue what you're doing, then resign and take all your "czars" and cabinet members with you. Let the adults run the country again. Thanks
nope.. but Im NOT worried about the prez thing yet..
oh really?? didn't this rock star crap get us into this mess?
ABSOLUTELY!!!!! They shoved RINO's at us and gave us only a choice to vote against the other candidate and not FOR our candidate! Bachmann is GREAT…would like to hear from ppl in her state to see what she has done at the local level.
She has now – and a year ago as well mind you, a lot more experience than Obama had of the kind you are looking for. And that is an indisputable fact meaning actual executive experience.
And what can the left say, they recruited Biden for his international relations experience.
That is not to say that having more than Obama = enough. Regardless this doesn't bother me, the executive is able to gain all the help she needs in many ways advisors, secretaries etc. Furthermore experience in such matters isn't some kind of magic bullet. It is often the crisis that builds leader, not the other way around.
Yes what you are speaking of is a factor, I actually think there are many other things that Palin needs to work on but this is not something I see as a real roadblock.
Remember, in many ways it is the lack of experience – and lack of being a DC insider that makes her such an attractive candidate.
and your point? you are a admitted Palin fan..didn't this type of rock star worship get us into trouble already? isn't this how McCain got rolling along. ignoring of facts and actions has already cost us dearly. When are we going to hold people accountable?
The main problem, as I see it, with the Republican Party is that they only trot out their message around election time. The liberal left has a never pausing propaganda machine spewing that vile agenda non stop. I view this as a serious leadership deficit for the Republicans.
Ronald Reagan wasn't a "fair weather" Conservative. It was in his DNA. It came across every time he opened his mouth. No one – left, right or center – ever doubted what he was all about. There was no moral ambiguity from that man at all. That was his greatest attribute. He believed in Conservatism. He lived it and he led by example. He knew that the principles of individual freedoms, a free market economy and smaller government with smaller taxes was the only way to achieve the opportunity for true prosperity for ALL Americans.
This message needs to be in front of every American's eyes and in every American's ears as often as the message being pushed by the liberal left is. The failure of the GOP to keep their message out there in the public domain is why they aren't in power and why the people distrust them. They don't act like they trust themselves. Take a lesson from our standard bearer, Ronald Reagan. If you make a mistake (and you will), own up to it – correct it – and move on.
A final question for the GOP leadership. Is it too much to ask that you throw out those in your Party who do not live up to the principles of the Party? Get it through your heads that it's about principles and not about money. Serve your country and not yourselves and you will be loved by all. Fail to do this, and you will find yourselves despised and unemployed.
Barbarian,
If you think Sarah is just a "Rock Star" then you haven't been very observant. I can't help you understand.
you just proved my point..
I really think she has enough immediate family backing and personal ethics to tell the party to get bent. She has already learned from her experiences with Steve Schmidt; I do not think she is going to have much patience for the "experts" telling her how to do what she has done successfully a number of times: get elected to an executive position in government.
I hope my views are accurate in this instance, because I sure as hell intend to vote for her!
You nuts? Jeb Bush is also Barbara Bush's son. Need I say more.
I will be retiring next year, so will have plenty of time and I am going to be out there for Sarah 24-7. Bring on the campaign.
Rush Limbaugh once proudly proclaimed on his show that: "we conservatives do not want get involved and control things, we just want to be left alone and do what we do best as individuals". This silly outdated and archaic conservative way of dealing with 21st century America is what brought us to where we are now. The liberal, on the other hand, is involved in PTA's, writing school text books, designing college courses, becoming journalists, etc. Sorry Rush, you conservatives need to drop this Jerimahia Johnson philosophy and encourage people to get involved in those entities that make up our complex society. All you white conservatives need to get out of your gated communities and get a little dirty. We Reagan Democrats can not do it by ourselves.
Yeah but remember California has been run by Democrats for a long time. We are Broke as a result!
That's absurd thinking. Give me a subject and I will give you a moderate perspective that will move it along instead of turning into it the mess that liberals and conservatives have created.
Excellent point. Newt is full of crap. He's the go a long to get along, that brought us John McCain.
I think what made the Tea Parties great was the people there who wanted to get their Country back. Just look what a difference we have made! My thinking is WE JUST NEED TO KEEP THIS UP AND REFORM THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I think we will be in a lot of trouble if we try to become political in particular. I think we should maybe contact Glen Beck and present our ideas to him because he is teriffic at this kind of thing.
Ron Paul and Sarah Palin would be 2 people (yes real people,not puppets) that I believe could harness the power of the people and begin leading us in the right direction.They are both savvy,patriotic,and are more honest than 80% of all the politicians.They answer questions straight away with eye contact and their body language suggests they believe what they say to be true.
The majority of the American's lives would improve greatly,even if slowly,if we could just get the politicians to actually represent the people and abide by the Constitution.That is near impossible.They say w/e it takes to get in and then it's business as usual once they get the power.This pattern repeats itself so often that people just give up on voting altogether.Sure there are some that this actually lights a fire under-aka tea party.
Then there's the whole creditability of the whole voting system itself.We have different methods and rules for voting and anytime electronics are involved the risk of some kind of bs goes up.So when people see corruption as blatant and rampant as it is and Anti-Americanism the norm (Acorn,SEIU,NEA,ACLU,100 other organizations,etc.) without investigation or justice), coupled with election after election of the having dumb and dumber to choose from,with the worst possible person winning of course,it really makes you question it all.
Does our voice mean anything anymore?Are the majority of Americans really this dumb,naive,lazy,corrupt themselves?I don't believe that,but why is it these anti-american people across the nation get in and excel then?The choices we have had in here in IL for over a decade are not even worth going to vote for.Felonies are considered misdemeanors here.Then last years presidential candidates were ever worse.McCain and Bush to me are just progressives posing as conservatives.Obama and Billary disgust me even more.
I mean generally I align more with the rhinos than the jackasses but that's only because they are the lesser of 2 evils in most cases.When and if the reps starting getting their power back they too will begin to turn on the people and that's the pattern I'm sick of.Now more than ever politics are important but the reasons above are surely factors in why people don't and won't vote.
Imagine what might happen when everyone you talk to,and almost everything you hear and see leads you to believe candidate X will easily win an election and then that candidate loses.Do you trust everyone or the security of equipment in charge of the entire system?I sure don't.Everyone has a price and I see a lot of selling out nowadays.A clear line in the sand has been drawn.It will become more apparent in coming years.
I'd love the rhinos to grow a set,define and uphold clear principles, and be a complete 180 from the politically correct socialists.The Tea Party as a 3rd party I'm not sure of.On 1 hand it would send a clear cut message to all politicians that we are done with the 2 gang system.Even when they'd lose it would still send a good message with a strong showing of support.Problem is,we cannot afford a loss in 2010 and in 12.
The Tea Party needs to align with the most conservative Reps out there imo.The pendulum has swung far too left and when it begins to swing back (after people see barry and gang for the traitors they are) we need as many as we can to jump on and make sure the momentum takes us as far right as it can.I seriously doubt the rhino's ability to show and uphold the kind of contrast the majority of Americans will be looking for come 3 years,but I'm sure many will vote rep if only to break the power of the traitors-Tea Party Backed or not.
you final said something I agree with.. with that attitude i wish good luck.. there are many here that think like you and it should good ground to make your site successful.. keep posting these are your best words you have ever written.
I agree with you. We are more effective just like we are!!!
1023 words to say, for the nth time, just vote Republican.
No matter how many words you used that is all you are saying.
Well, take a look around. How well did that whole just vote Republican thing work out ? It was such a great idea that in 2006 the Republicans got booted for Democrats and here we are, with an emasculated group of Republican Representatives and Senators that can stand around and point out all that is bad because they have nothing to lose, they are insignificant.
So, lets get more of 'em, and the we will have more bi-partisan bad ideas become law and more bi-partisan excessive Federal spending. Yeah, that's a good idea.
Stop talking and writing about Republicans and start talking and writing about Patriotic, Liberty-minded Constitutionalists.
I still think we should stay the way we are because we are more effective that way. Once we start trying to be political in particular, we will lose what made us great!!
Unless I am reading you wrong, I had a different take on NY-23. The TPM got the true conservative's numbers up to within 2% in less than 3 weeks, even after early voting, before Scozzafava's left leaning was exposed. I think putting efforts behind the true conservative showed we meant business about no more RINO's. I think Hoffman's run showed that we will henceforth vet each candidate before they run with an (R) behind their name. I, for one, will NOT donate to the RNC, until they prove they are vetting true conservatives. I will, and have, contribute directly to candidates that have been vetted.
This has been my position all along. Nothing has changed. As for my site, I could not care less. It was never about me, rather the people who asked and encouraged me to provide it. All that's happening here is that I am taking my place in the arena of ideas.
Had she not said yes, we wouldn't be having this discussion, we wouldn't even know who she was.
** action she supported mccain
result she supports AMNESTY
THIS IS A FACT **
** when your partner robs a bank and you are just a get away driver. in the eyes of the law you are just as guilty.
she could have said NO.. she should have said NO. but she didn't. **
My point is that simply because Palin accepted the VP nomination on McCain's ticket does not automatically mean she aligned herself with each and every one of McCain's policies.
That is a premise that you set forth and I refute.
My being a supporter of Palin has nothing to do with, as you say, 'rock star worship.' My support of her is based on the fact that what I have heard her say, and what I have seen her do is so much in line with my own beliefs and convictions, far more than any other political figure currently on the scene.
My vote was for Palin. Unfortunately, I had to go through McCain, one of the sorrier choices the RNC could have offered up.
The dimwit repubs handed McCain the nomination, just as they did Dole in '96, rather than trying to find a viable candidate to beat Obama.
Hold people accountable? Damn straight!
Way past time for that!
I have no quarrel with you there, but to tar Palin with McCain's brush is totally off base.
Jack,
With all due respect, I think you are missing the point. The TP is about fiscal responsibility, adhering and defending the Constitution as written, and just enough government to get us by and defend us from all threats, internal and external.
Those expectations are not owned by either Republicans nor Democrats, conservatives, moderates, or liberals.
Those are the expectations of Americans. That's what defines us as a nation, what attracts those who weren't born here, and what made us the nation the rest of the world has grown to depend on.
All the Tea Party wants is for America to go back to being America.
and if we continue doing the same we will get the same results.
Clinton didn't kill us, and Barry hasn't yet. The only thing we need fear is the selling of our souls for another tic in the "Win" column for the Pubbies. George Bush, God bless him, was NOT his own man, just like Barry is not his own man. They are both owned men. Thus, not free men.
The troubling little something about GWB? That thing you can't put your finger on? His continued silence? Owned. By an ideal or an expediency, whatever.
Oh, pi@@ on the leftist media, the underground media is taking them apart, and some of them are even waking up.
The Republicans have succeeded in making their entire national party irrelevant. Do you hear me Mr Steele? Irrelevant!
What I think will be the biggest way to convince the national GOP that they need to make big changes, and soon, will be for a nationwide movement to replace the House of Representatives with unaffiliated new blood. A successful ousting of incumbents and GOP candidates will serve to open their eyes.
The Republicans absolutely MUST fundamentally change if they expect the TEA partiers to support them in 2012.
Truth be told, the GOP under Bush was not essentially different from the GD'd Dems under the current occupant of the Oval Office. My favorite example is the prescription drug giveaway. What the hell were they thinking????
So the Repubs can kiss my butt. I'm pressing on with GOOOH. It's the best thing to come along in my 54 years. I think everyone who's disillusioned with the Repubs should seriously consider putting sincere citizen representatives in the House in 2010. Then the GOP can come to US & show how sincere they really are. THEN we can pick a leader.
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Sarah should lead the party. The news media did such an effective job of wrecking her image last year that she doesn't stand a snowball's chance of winning the White House. As party leader she'd be most effective.
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We don't necessarily need 1 leader, i.e. a Ronald Reagan. Was there 1 leader during the American Revolution? No. There were many and we call them our Founding Fathers. The point is to wake the masses up and get them engaged in SOMETHING towards realigning this great Nation. Right now, they are more interested in trivial matters and escapism. We need to show them the real world.
Blablablablah – HEIL BAYWATCH!
If I hear "neocon" or 'chickenhawk" one more time, I'm absolutely going to puke. Enough already.
Sorry peoples. What I said previously was…. Why not start a website for Tea Party people to vote their favorite prospective candidates. Or spread the word to the various Tea Party websites for them to vote among themselves, the tally those votes. Then armed with the winners, wouldn't the info, money, backing, support, then flow from there? Then all will know who was chosen as the favorites of the Tea Parties as a whole, and can vote accordingly if they choose. Is that too simple an idea?
Everything I hate about thoughtless, childish and emotional patriotism is express in this comment. Good job.
I double dog dare you to start a new party. A new party is a lot of work. The media is gonna hate your guts as you already know. Fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets mean government cuts to social programs. Are you ready to stand the heat when the left cries genocide every time you cut 5% from this or that program. If I thought the Tea-partyers were ready to carry the water I would join. But when you say we have a "branding problem" it shows you are babes in the woods. The core of the democratic party are Communists in Academia and entrenched government fat-cats that will kick your teeth out your ass. These fat cats have full power now and are gorging on government money like lions at a kill. Do you have the balls to take the water-buffalo away?
There is an easier way. Pull the Republican party right and don't let another Bush in the White-house, don't let another McCain get the nomination. Stand by conservatives when they carry the water.
Ralph, I think your triangulating towards an important distinction that separates the (modern) liberal conception of society as and organization from the (classical) liberal conception of society as an "order". There are undoubtedly things that the PTA and journalistic organizations can accomplish, but they do so to acheive specific ends. The social order, however, is one in which the ends of individuals are *not* controlled by commands, but only the means (the "how") are circumscribed. That is what I take to be Rush's point.
All I can say is the moderates will have to make a decision. 4 more years of Obama and 2 more years of democratic rulw because I will not bow to republican pressure to vote for a moderate this time. If they nominate Romney or McCain or whoever if they are moderate I will write someone in. So all you moderates or pragmatist out there look out there are millions of people like me out there.
So get with the tea party movement or go on and become a democrat…..because I will not sponsor a democrat light candidate ever again
Same here. From local party insiders to state-level office-holders, there is a lot to change in the Republican Party. RINOs saying, "see, I'm a tea partier, too!" just doesn't do it for me. They can't hide their record.
I agree with you Harry, Sarah is the BEST we have, and a very good Best at that with values and principles. The plus she embodies is a sense that she can win over BHO now. She will carry extra umf being the First Woman President. She is our savior, in my humble opinion.
We had overwhelming support from Vietnam Vets and a great many professional folk like veterinarians, engineers, CPA's & MD's (but no attorneys). They all slacked off quite a bit after the Ronulan Power Grab.
BTW, we also had some of the higher ups in the state bureaucracy as very active members. The local Ronulans really did seem to be more about legalizing marijuana and anti-war than anything else.
Well said…
It's pining for the fjords.
Right….they must be true conservatives and no RINOS allowed, not a single one.
We already know the Republican party is going to win big in November 2010. The real power of the TEA party movement will be tested in the Republican primaries. I think that if the RINO candidates prevail, the movement will fizzle. Conservatives need to step up and support conservative candidates in the primaries. Keep your eyes on Rubio in FL, Rand Paul in Kentucky, guys not endorsed by the Republican establishment, but much more conservative than their primary opponents.
Come join in the fun folks… we are going to bag us some tea!
So McCain was ACORN's secret plan? Brilliant!
hahaha. Glad you liked it. It seems apropos.
If Sara Palin is the leader of a movement I am a part of….Sorry, me and about 50% of others will have to part ways. She is Bush 2….or a conservative Hillary Clinton. I think id rather not have that…I may as well keep Obama.
Not to mention she has absolutely no grasp of any of the fundamental principles if someone is not writing a speech for her. She needs to stay in Alaska and not ruin a good thing.
Term effin Limits!
No more career politicians, period!
beautifully said.
i sincerely many will see your post, really think about it and conclude we need to be a force behind the Republican party. splintering off will seriously hurt a new party as well as republicans.
i think all potential republican candidates now clearly understand what is expected of them and if they do not have the integrity, the real goods to clean up their act then they will not be tolerated – the same way we sent a very clear message to Gov. Sanford. we will not tolerate any screwing up for the sake of party… there are far too many good patriotic and honest republicanss to choose from – some of which have been hesitant to run due to the bashing but these potential candidates now know we, the tea party have their backs big time.
reiterated – "a third party is not the answer."
we must be known as the party that comes to the aid of honest, decent republicans wherever they are and whenever they are in need of help, especially the bashing from the left.
I think you got about 534 of them, and I'm not sure who the 1 is.
I agree that those who supported the Tea parties, need to be focused in order to assist with the changes planned for 2010. That does not mean "we" have to elect a leader, who then tells us what to do. We've had enough "top down" guidance from the RNC, thank you very much. In fact, just the opposite needs to take place.
Leaders need to state what they represent (e.g. Sarah Palin). We represent the votes. You can't buy us. We are going to flock to those leaders who represent what we want, then we'll vote them in. We're not perfect. We'll learn from NY-23. Just because you don't hear from us now, don't assume we've faded into the background. We are one spark away from rearing our heads again.
Realize that more has happened to our country since 4/15/09 and through the summer. The situation hasn't improved, in fact, the current administration has demonstrated that they are even more incapable of governing this country than we originally thought. More people are angrier now. We have even more reasons to become active.
Atlas will shrug.
actions speak louder than words he supported amnesty enough said.
Right on… I don't WANT assertive confrontation, BUT neither did the original colonists. IF Huckabee, Palin or even Dobbs steps up, organizes ALL the Americans that are sick of all this socialism, then we have a chance.
Don't despair, at least in Virginia.
MANY tea party/patriot groups have banded together under a unifying leadership structure, guided by a board/council that holds meetings, conducts votes on issues, etc.
Virginia is blazing a trail….other states would be well-served by taking a look at how Virginia is aggregating folks together and potentially emulating that model.
Stop by http://virginiateapartypatriots.com/ to watch as the site (and group/movement) develops.
There are few things more sacred to a republic than representation. The one man one vote and all it’s citizens are represented equally promise. Why isn’t voter fraud hounded out of existence? Voter fraud is a direct assault on our republic, it can kill a nation. There is nothing more fraudulent than gerrymandering and it’s creation of an artificial majority based on party affiliation not representation to silence the dissention of we the people. It is one of the reason our congress does not listen to we the people. Gerrymandering is a creation of the government parties to protect their power and to turn representation into re-election.. The parties can not speak of freedom until districts are based on representation not party affiliation.
action she supported mccain
result she supports AMNESTY
THIS IS A FACT
Ah, reading too fast. Yes, I see what you meant, now, and we are on a similar tack.
Strategically, having two parties is the ideal. But ideologically, and in my heart of hearts, I know that the Pubbies are unfixable. New conservative blood, should it get elected, will get wined and dined and wooed away into the glitter and glamour of political favor, or else will get an ugly lesson in political disfavor should they try and rock the gilded boat.
you people always say third party that is a liberal tactic .. by the way democrats say same thing as you… NO party is the way..destruction of the party system scares both government parties to death.
While this is a fasciniating discussion and I greatly appreciate all of the different points of view, it presents a much larger problem for those of us who are, heaven forbid….. moderates. And, I suspect, that there are millions of us. I am not a progressive and, therefore, will not vote for a Democrat. I am not a conservative and, therefore, will not vote for a Republican.
Consequently, and unfortunately, in the eyes of many, including friends, I often do not vote as I steadfastly do NOT believe in the idea of voting for the "lesser of two evils". Optimist that I am, I believe we can have a political system that allows us to vote for the "better of two goods". I have been following the Tea Party movement with great hope….even registered with the national organization. BUT, if the Tea Party movement is about reconstructing the Republican Party, I'm outta there. The Republican Party should do that on its own! I'm not interested in the Republican Party in the mess that it is in. And I could never support the socialist, big government proclivities of the Democratic Party. We need a party of moderation in this country. And we need it now.
Warner's point is that in a two party system you must form coalitions with people whose priorities are different from your own if you want to govern. Large groups like the teabaggers create headaches for Republicans because they alienate moderates whom the party needs to win elections. From where I stand, there are no Conservatives left in the party, let alone moderates. They now form the conservative wing of the Democratic party. The Republicans are left with business interests, evangelicals, teabaggers and neocons.
Lots of good points…
TEA party "against" things…yes, if those things are directed against the PEOPLE, they should be vociferously opposed…the trick is to find, support, and identify those politicians that want to remove our yoke, not add load to the wagon…until that time and the more "friendly" side of TEA, opposition should be the watchword…
Sarah Palin…so far, the only potential candidate from "outside the Beltway System" IS Palin…someone daring enough to smack down their own party if needs be…where have you seen ANYTHING resembling "opposition" to a statist lib Democrat position recently that wasn't either vote or influence peddling…? (crickets chirping)
Ron Paul…has his own Libertarian baggage to drag behind him…but there is absolutely no problem with him gaining prestige and stature flaying wayward Congresscritters to toe the line of Constitutionalism…something that he has been lacking of to this point…
The cronies of the Statists…ACORN, SEIU, and the bought and paid for Unions are a problem, but their fire is going out of politics, thanks to the bright but cheap and cheesy glow of the Obama, which draws all oxygen from everything around it…no one really thinks they are going to be saved by a hack Union in THIS economy, no matter the reassurances…and if ACORN thinks people were looking up under its dress before, wait until people strip it naked at polling sites…and with their spin control only working in reverse, the entertainment to be had…
Hollywood…is becoming less and less relevant…people are beginning to watch celebrities for the crashes, not for the glamor…Tiger and his errant pey-pey are just the latest, and the most egregious…and the specter of his carefully-crafted public image is leading to all sorts of comparisons with the Obama…Michelle doing "Iron Chef" challenges is a case in point… they are beginning to join WH party crashers and "balloon boy" parents in the field of "look at me, I'm a celebrity in my own mind"….
The reason recent third parties have failed is not that a third party can't work, it is that they lacked the viscera or spiritual drive of a political philosophy. Perot was a businessman, not a man of ideas. When he snarked about running government like a business no one was energized. While the need for businesslike accounting honesty is a valid call, it is not a political philosophy, and of COURSE Perot was going to lose. Only in his little circle of business thinkers could his argument have sounded persuasive. As for Ralph Nader, his appeal was extremely limited. Other third parties in the past did not have either the raw outrage of the populace, or the philosophical maturity to mount a serious campaign. Much as I tend libertarian, that party has always been more a mutual admiration society than a serious contender in politics.
What we need is a party of FREEDOM. It will NOT be about money, it will NOT be about health care or the carbon tax or abortion or the hijab, it will about individual freedom and responsibility. THIS can resonate. I'm all for pointing the Republicans toward the right, but unless they are shaken out of the torpor of riding the gravy train they will be useless. We can NOT afford to let the establishment canard go unchallenged, that only the established parties can win. America does NOT belong to the Republicrats, it belongs to US and if we have to we'll take it back over the rotting entrails of BOTH parties.
I was talking to ArbutusJoe…
so was I.
she is a party member and thus a problem. In the spirit of George Washington, 912 and tea, let us debate if the parties, more specifically here is the republicans worth saving.. I SAY NO.. I am an Independent and I support a no party system, just like George Washington. The parties turned their back on the people and this country and thus it is up to parties to convince the people they are worth saving. I can not lose this debate for the destruction of the party system for it was the parties that turned their back on WE THE PEOPLE.
Why do the parties refuse to destroy gerrymandering.. For it creates one party rule on the local level and thus what good does it do to save the republicans in a democratic district for they will elect a democrat and our march to slavery will continue.
I think that is an excellent idea. Take all the teabaggers and form a political party and let's have a three-way: Republicans, Democrats and Teabaggers. Then we can just crown Obama because he will never lose another election. In fact, we will have about a dozen Republicans in the senate, five or six teabaggers and over 80 Democrats.
See how that math works out.
Mugs, you are correct about Palin. But she must focus on spending and big gov. and stay from social issues that seem to divide the R's. She could propel the Tea Party and hence the voters to elect people who share those beliefs and to use the Tea Party as leverage. Under no circumstance should anyone threaten to go 3rd. This movement has plenty of power and heeds to be channeled and Palin is the one to do it.
That would make you a club. Maybe a great club, but with zero political influence.
That suits me. Take out all the conservative Republicans in primaries. Teabaggers have no chance in a general election. Didn't NY23 teach you people anything?
Awful lot of Dems on that list. Looks like the only way a Republican makes it is if he commits a federal crime. Hardly seems fair…
A political party headed by Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck… be still my liberal heart!
It doesn’t matter if I convince you, but you are the fan club so you must convince me or at least readers who pass by. If you condemn liberals, democrats, conservative democrats, unions, union members, socialist, greenies, and other assorted people for BO’s election and actions then you must agree with me.
If someone gave BO million dollars for his election would you not hold that person accountable for BO’s actions. In politics you are not a little pregnant you are in or out. This is about choices she chose to embrace all that McCain stood for to get him elected and thus must pay the price. Would you go to work for an abortionist? Would she had supported him if he were pro abortion?
Problem with free markets Bill is, if you don't have rules, they aren't free. And if you don't enforce the rules then the guys at the top steal your money. And once they start stealing from you no one will put their money in the market. Then trading stops, banks quit lending, business quits hiring… what? That's already happened? Oh. Well then, you see my point.
So how do we rescue the markets?
There is an answer for the passion of the Tea Party.
I have decided Republicans and Democrats are the same party, they just represent the left and right of the same goal: more (of our) money and more power (from us) to those in politics. The last administration proved it as well as the current. They work for us. They should not be dictating our future, we tell them what we need and they do it. Not the other way around.
-Throw the bums out!!!
I am fed up with both parties. That IS the only problem in this country. They use the parties to divide us. As Americans, we have the same beliefs and goals in mind. We love our children and want to work hard to succeed. We love our country and want it to succeed. We value our security and believe that that is government's real role. Take out the parties and hot button issues such as abortion, religion, war,and other things that make you angry-you are left with the conclusion that Americans are not really that divided.
This is an excerpt from Tim Cox, founder of Get Out Of Our House:
"What do you call it when a Senator from Louisiana (Landrieu) sells her health care vote for $300 million and then brags about the deal? What term comes to mind when a Senator from Nebraska is threatened by his party that a military base in his state will be closed if he does not vote how he is told? What about when that very same Senator changes his mind and agrees to support the legislation in exchange for an agreement that the other 49 states will pay for the entire cost of Medicaid expansion in his state? Bribery, blackmail, and prostitution are the terms I think of. It saddens me to think what our government has become, that these are the adjectives we must use to describe the behavior of our elected officials. How much longer can we allow this madness to continue?
Lest anyone think for even one second this behavior is confined to the Democrats, let me remind you that the Republicans were doing the exact same thing between 2000 and 2006 when they were in charge. Take a moment and refresh your memory on the 1,000 page $1.2 trillion prescription drug bill the Republicans pushed through at 3 a.m. in 2003 in order to buy votes for the 2004 election. The Republicans complain they do not have enough time to read new bills. They whine about Saturday night votes. Have they really forgotten they did the exact same thing when they were in power? Let me add hypocrite to the above list of adjectives. Consider the time wasted debating steroids in baseball when everybody who was paying attention knew the collapse of Fannie and Freddie was imminent. Recall that the Republicans did nothing during their reign to secure our borders, fix the tax code, or improve the high school graduation rate. It is time to ask those hell-bent on “fixing” the Republican Party to admit the problem is much, much bigger than the politicians of the other party. It is time to begin anew!"
Take a look at the plan at the link listed. It's a plan to throw out all of the House next year and once again be represented. If you like it, get involved.
http://www.goooh.com
Get Out Of Our House!!!
Bill, I would like to see Sarah Palin on the Republican ticket so badly that I will even vote for her given the chance. I mean what the heck, my liberal vote doesn't count for much here in Texas anyway. So let's have a Tea Bag Party!
You should care about your site..the words were there but never the real passion. until we meet in the arnea ….good luck.. remember the world reading and it was the parties that turned their back on we the people.
One thing I keep coming back to when thinking about the T.P. movement and those of us against this terrible health care bill; they are believed to be and talked about as being exclusively Conservative/Republican concerns. I don't see it this way. There are as many Democrat citizens against this government takeover as there are Republicans. It's the Democrat lawmakers who are against what we are about. We should highlight this fact in everything we do; it's truly a bi-partisan movement. Most Americans don't want this country to be ruled by Socialists. Let's try to unite the country we are trying to save by focusing on "the people" and not on any one political party.
that is true, but she is a strong woman and you can't keep strong willed women down.
We are working as hard as we can on all fronts. The best thing can say is to check the website out from time to time for updates: http://www.teapartysupport.com. As it is a complete volunteer effort, it is a struggle putting this together; however, it is coming together nicely. Our main mission is in establishing the national voter roll project. It matters not how many events you have if you can't get the people to the polls.
We thank you for your kind words and encouragement…Mike
I didn't have any children,but I have loved and do love many-children of friends,my sisters and brothers and now their children. I hate leaving those children this mess. If there is not a total collapse, we still leave unbelievable debt. It amounts to $38,000 plus for every person here. That includes aliens and those bred on welfare to vote demo- starting back in the 60's when they were running out of demos.Must stop needless spending. The Kenyan said he would veto. He hasn't
That $38,00 plus includes all those who don't pay taxes as mentioned above.
Going back isn't the answer, going forward with lessons learned is.
I so agree, this movement is about getting envolved, someone said all politics is local. We must all get involved at the local level, then work furiously to vote out as many as we can in the coming elections and support any conservative candidate we can find..
While I consider myself a fiscal conservative, I am an Independent. I feel no loyalty to either party. With that said, if Palin is the conservative candidate, I'll vote for Snoopy if he is the only other candidate. And Snoopy would probably do a better job. I'm sorry but we suffered through Bush, now Obama and his out of control administration, the only thing worse would be to elect Palin. How many colleges did she attend to try to obtain a degree? She may be able to "rally the troops", and she is pretty, but her head is empty. I would never, ever vote for her. Even in her interviews with O'Reilly and Hannity, who you know would give her the biggest breaks, she came across very sincere and very herself….unintelligent. She would be a train wreck!!!!
The States need to take back the power the Constitution gives them!
States rights have been trampled on or ignored by the Federal Government for decades. Yes, it is time to stop it, and correct it. But…there is always a but. How are we to do that in democrat controlled states? You know they will continue the voter fraud and intimidation and corruption unabated and that the minorities that they have created will continue to support them because if they don't…they lose their welfare and will have to start contributing instead of taking.
I personally think almost every CongressCritter needs to be voted out and replaced with citizens who are not looking to make a career out of being in DC but doing what their voters asked them to do. Then term limits need to be ammended to the Constitution along with pay cuts for all of them along with all of the Federal employees. Then we can get down to the nitty gritty and start abolishing most of the "Departments" that the federal government has forced on us over the years. Starting with the EPA and the Education Dept.
I won't live to see it but I want it for my 5 grand children. Help me make it so.
Papa Ray
As far as a third party, it doesn't look good now but who knows what it will look like in a couple of years.
WTF? WHAT HANDLERS?
i agree we need two partys but instead of us bowing to the republicans steele needs to bring the party to the right, he is the chairman,where is his voice, the republican in NY was a rino,the dem was futher right than she was.if the tea party doesnt have a leader, would you like to lead if not kindly fall back and watch.
Great point Sue!
I was aware of how that went down, but think it was a great idea to remind those who may not have been aware of the FACTS!!!
You have no credibility with me as a fellow conservative when you mock Palin like you just did. All it tells me is that you buy into the mainstream media's portrayal of her as a dummy hook, line, and sinker. I figured most tea partiers would have figured out by now that the media seeks to destroy people who seek to protect our freedom and uphold the Constitution. She is exactly that type of person. Apparently there are still at least a few who buy into the garbage about her that she has no brains when it's the people making these asinine statements who truly have no brains and instead just gobble up the MSM and elitist (Republican and Democrat) attacks on her.
You say you'd vote for Snoopy, well maybe you can just vote for Barry again in a couple years. After all, he's so intellectual, so smart, such a great orator…..who cares that he despises our Constitution and is a scholar of Saul Alinsky and Karl Marx. Very intelligent line of thinking, Jenny.
take a look at GOOOH.com
Looks like Jenny will vote for a naked Marxist before she'd vote for Sarah Palin. Perhaps the tea party movement isn't quite as well-informed as I thought it was because all Jenny did was take Keith Olbermann's talking points to trash Governor Palin, who happens to stand for much of what the tea party represents – limited government, fiscal responsibility, freedom, liberty, the Constitution, etc. But the liberal media and liberal Republicans have successfully labeled her an airhead so Jenny eagerly joins the fray to tear her down. What an imbecile.
have you read the book it tells all
she did not
Just because someone says they are a fiscal conservative, or an Independent and feel no loyalty to either party doesn't necessarily mean that, 'that', is so! I'm always suspicious of people who say, "With that said", and then proceed to attack anything conservative. Sure sounds like a liberal sympathizer trying to divide and dishearten Tea Party advocates, to me!
he made himself a rock star,the left made her a rock star
Tea-Party turnout does not necessarily establish a third-party. The participants share the view that what is “America” is being hi-jacked by the radical left. Their presence announces to the Republican Party that “moderate”-left-leaning congressmen/women are a burden we can no longer afford. I am in favor of more tea-party gatherings. Would a march on Washington resulting in the toss of members of Congress into the Potomac cause irreparable ecological damage to the river? Obviously, our founders had greater courage that the pusillanimous crowd that decries confrontation with left. We should march on Washington and take it apart, brick by brick. Oh gee, that wouldn’t be p.c. Bugger!
Precisely. I don't believe I am missing the point at all. I believe I made the point quite clearly. I am in agreement with you. However, and to reiterate MY point again, if the TP movement is about reconstituting the Republican Party then IT is missing the point. Most people that I know who only follow MSM believe just that…..the TP movement is only the Republican Party in disguise. One of the big problems we face right now is the point you raise…"the expectations of Americans"…what are they…I can absolutely guarantee you that here in Santa Fe New Mexico, those expectations are not about the Tea Party movement…they are about exactly what is being espoused by t he current administration with absolute rancor and vitriole towards anyone who is a conservative. I work for the local government here and I can guarantee you that "going back to being American(n)" for me means fiscal responsibility et al….and I work for that on a daily basis despite being in an overtly progressive community. My other point, despite what others may think, is that it is absolutely the right time for a new party.
What you describe is already in motion…check it out.
http://www.goooh.com
Working within the system gave us the Republican revolution of 1994. And what did accomplish? No Child Left Behind, perscription drug entitlements, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, 600 billion deficits, and government expansion every year. It's time to try something new.
It is time Sarah.
I couldn't agree more.
As a faithful tea party member, I believe we cannot insist on a leader to solve the problem. We let this country get way down the road to socialism because we failed to take the responsibility required to engage in keeping our republic. The answer is not one magic leader – it is WE THE PEOPLE – real success will be determined by how many accept the responsibility to learn about the principles that our Founding Fathers clearly documented so many years ago.
Many of us must stand together (and vote) for the freedom of the individual, for it is at the core of real prosperity for all!
Once again, you criticize Palin, and people jump all over you that you're a socialist, etc. Sorry, I'm not a Socialist. And I don't believe Obama is qualified to run the US either. But at least the guy graduated with a substantial degree without having to attend 5 colleges. Get real. She has a degree in Communications, and it took her 4+ years and 5 schools. I dismiss any of the MSM accounts. I do my own reading in select publications, most of them conservative. And I draw my conclusions on what I see. Her interviews with Hannity and O'Reilly gave her every chance to prove her intelligence, and it proved nothing.
But the problem with the Republican party is exactly what happened here. Instead of approaching this with knowledge and trying to convince me that Palin is a viable candidate, my criticism is met with the "you're a socialist" garbage. I'm representative of what's going on across the country. I'm looking for a candidate with intelligence, integrity and proven success. She so far, she hasn't exhibited that she possesses any of those.
I agree that some focus is necessary. However, we don't want to give our time, treasure and energy to a group like McCain for President '08, and end up with our high energy being grounded out. This very thing happened with the Ron Paul '08 movement as well. I felt like we had the speed of a bullet train, only to be derailed onto a dead end dirt road.
Tea Partiers MUST maintain our independence and not allow ourselves to be comandeered by anyone — ESPECIALLY RINOs.
** This is about choices she chose to embrace all that McCain stood for to get him elected and thus must pay the price. **
You are attempting guilt by association, and that holds no water. Had mcCain been elected, somehow become incapacitated, and Palin assumed the Presidency as did Truman at the death of FDR, then proceeded to carry on McCain's policies, contravening her conservative beliefs, then I could agree with you. My belief is that Palin will hold true to the principles she espouses, and had the McCain camp let her be herself, at the very least Obama would not have had as many votes as he did. And Truman vis-a-vis FDR is a perfect example of a VP not being a rubber stamp of the president. FDR disliked Truman and excluded Truman from much of the country's goings-on.
For you to make such a statement Palin paying the price, you are indicating that you expect perfection in every candidate you support, that he/she will conform to your every belief, every ideal, every principle. Then you will never vote, because there is no such candidate, nor will there ever be. Politics is compromise, and we try to compromise to the least degree possible in our selections. I compromised with my vote for McCain, whom I dislike intensely, but Palin was a breath of fresh air, and is still. The only other viable option was Obama, whom I thought to be the corrupt incompetent lying fraud he has proven himself to be.
** If someone gave BO million dollars for his election would you not hold that person accountable for BO’s actions. **
If you give someone something, are you responsible if they use irresponsibly what you gave them? If you give a normally sober person a car, and they commit vehicular homicide by driving while intoxicated, would that be your fault?
I would just amplify on one of the authors statements. NY 23 was not a failure, it was a success in that it taught a lesson to the GOP about running a candidate against the will of the people, if NY 23 had not happened that lesson would not have been learned and the tea party would not have as much mojo.
DeeDuh would have made zero difference in the current house, probably would have voted against us, and more than likely would have lost anyway, that would have been a real defeat.
That's just stupid. Moderates are called moderate because they believe in specific issues, not in party platforms. It's only ideologues on both ends of the political spectrum (but mostly on the Right) who've tried to push this moronic idea that not agreeing with a party like it's a religion is a sign of indecisiveness. What you said couldn't possibly be more incorrect if you tried.
Not unless she can stare Liberal twits in the media in the face and embarrass their arguments with an understanding of the issues. I don't think she's dumb, but she has done a lousy job of expressing herself in the opportunities she's had. You can't compare her to someone like Steyn, Krauthammer, Goldberg, or Sowell in terms of their grasp on the issues. If she can't stand up to Katie Couric and Charles Gibson without allowing herself to appear uninformed, the best she'll do is get Obama re-elected.
Yeah, another 7 years of Obama, Reid & Pelosi will be so much better. {sigh}
It's OK to try to change the system. It's stupid to do it by screwing our entire country until we're France-lite.
I dissent from the article . The TEA Party isn't anyone's to lead.
Can't say enough, loud enough, about the evil of gerrymandering. We've moved from a Republic to a Democracy to a Thugocracy in short order.
By all means, since Conservatives are about 40% of the population. That should keep Democrats in power for another 20 years or so (until their policies have completely destroyed the nation).
Or we could elect honest people who actually represent the voters in their districts. If some are Conservative and some are not, who cares? As long as they're honest and against wasteful spending, we'll be able to pull the country back from the brink.
There's a good idea. Let's associate Tea Party members with militia members who are willing to commit violence. That'll definitely help get them respectability.
Except most economists I've heard (including Conservative ones) say that TARP kept the stock market crash from being far worse than it was. Much of the money has even been paid back already (although Obama has decided to steal it). So you want to vote out anyone who did something that worked?
Tea Party candidates won't win (at least on a wide scale) because the Conservative vote is split. Too many people can't decide if it's worth it to vote against their Social issues in favor of Conservative fiscal ones. If the politician is Socially Moderate (or Liberal), they'll lose money and support from religious Conservatives. If they're Socially Conservative, they'll lose support from the Center. It's impossible for a real movement to take charge until people make a party platform and see how it's supported (financially and with voters).
When you actually have something of substance to contribute other than personal attacks (did to, did not, did to, etc…) then you can speak. Until then, grow up and learn to think for yourself.
While I think Mr. Huston has very valid points, I believe he is leaving the most important consideration out of his argument. The "Sleeping Giant" is now awake and as constituents we are much more aware of the importance of local and state politics. I've already seen the tide turn in my town in November 2009, and see it continuing to happen as we vet the candidates running for National office in 2010 within my State. The conservatives are running pretty strong. Yes, I would like to see a strong conservative candidate run for President in 2012, but unless we send that strong message in 2010 it will be a moot point. Our most important job is to get as many conservatives elected in 2010 whether it be the Tax Clerk, the Selectmen, our State representatives, or our Washington representatives. For the first time I am actively involved in my Town and State politics. My New Year's Resolution is to attend at least one town meeting a month, whereas before I watched them on my local channel. We can prove we are a sustainable force by getting our local "conservative ducks in a row" in November 2010. If we do this, success in 2012 will follow.
She is the only one that would get me out the door to vote, at this time. I have nothing but respect for this woman. She has put up with more crap, from small minds, than anyone should ever, in a lifetime. She is the only one, that I see, who would be willing to roll back some of these stupid, childish, laws and bills that this administration has implemented. I'm 68 years old and I figure that I have been lied to by some of the best. I trust this woman and I haven't been able to say that about any other politician. You pick who ever you want. Just take the time to examine their past, unlike those who never felt it was needed with this president.
The reason the "TEA party" movement has no leaders is because its formed of many groups which share core principles but often not others. Economics, individual rights and small government—-STOP—-thats it.
If you go beyond that you have extreme "pro-choicers" sitting next to extreme pro-lifers. You have Atheists (me) working willfully and intentionally along side evangelical Christians. You have Pro-"war on drugs people sitting next to "legalize it!" people.. You have "marriage is 1 man 1 woman" next to "Marriage should be a contract between two individuals, get gov out of it"….do you see my point?
If you move outside the core principles…you have just split the group. We need to agree to disagree because this is the dirty little secret that the democrats are snickering about right now. In november they intend to try and split us using these issues. I swear by my life and my love of it that I won't be falling for this trick, COUNT ON IT, and ill be reminding my newfound friends EVERY day that we need to stick together or die together in socialism. If you christians can put aside your dislike of my choices i'll put aside my opinions of you. And thats a principle in and of itself –
"I don't care what you do in your home/personal life so long as your not imposing on me. Done lets work together."
If there's any associatin' goin' on you did it, not me!! I simply pointed out that there are as many or more people ready to fight than party.
I won't leave home to go stand around with anybody at a 'party', but the two oaths I've taken to protect this country only expire when I do.
As long as there are free and fair elections there won't be violence. ACORN and their like are threats to that process.
CD jeez bud. I guess an organized protest for you are child anarchist in Copenhagen, or an ACORN rent-a-mob. The schism is between flyover America, and Washington right and left.
I think you are quoting Sean Connery in "The Untouchables"… great movie by the way.
We don't need to raise money we need to cut off the flow of money to Washington.
everyone needs to take a week off from work
no work no taxes collected
You only get one chance to make a first impression Pete. I think the good ship Sarah sailed when she quit Alaska.
Hen, you forget that the "adults" were in charge for eight years and it ended with frozen financial markets and double digit unemployment. That is the kind of experience we can live without.
Tea Parties werent really Politically Leaning…IT was groups of citizens..Repubs and dumbocrats who got together to protest what is happening..
Who cares what the MSM thinks! The instructive thing here is to be provocative enough for them to become reactive. The heartland of America will see the true nature of their complicity in advancing the Left's agenda – it will be inherently obvious in the MSM's strident mischaracterization of the movement.
I certainly agree with you about Newt. He's a terrific historian – but I'll not vote for him if the GOP supports him (waaaaaay too much personal baggage!) Although Newt "supported" Scozzafava (and financially gave his own $$) – he didn't sign the check that put $900,000.00+ into her campaign – Michael Steele did that …good grief – what a disaster!
Mitt Romney shot himself in the foot and is un-electable because he signed in the FAILED Massachusetts Health Care program.
Mike Huckabee is like Bob Dole – he never met a tax he didn't like and there's just no strength of personality there. Can you see him vs Imadinnerjacket? or Putin? or …?
Sarah Palin is the front runner for me as of now – 2012 is a long way off – a lot can happen between now and then.
Sadly, the Republican's problem is not presentation, it's the message. It is stale and hasn't changed for years. And their hostility toward government makes them unqualified to govern. We are not in the financial mess we have today because the party went off message. We are here because they applied it exactly as prescribed and it doesn't work. It can't work when your base wants more and more tax cuts (mostly for the wealthy) and the American people are still demanding government services. They have to be paid for and Republicans aversion to any kind of reasonable tax policy makes that impossible. And how do you fight two wars with "emergency funding" and not run up a trillion dollars in debt for the next guy.
Your St. Ronald did the same thing. He expanded the military to meet the demands of the cold war and refused to pay for it. It was just a matter of time before the economy melted down. He deregulated the savings and loan industry and that cost us another half trillion in government bailout money.
I should probably give some credit where it is due. George H.W. Bush refused to run half trillion dollar deficits and put a tax policy in place that led to balanced budgets for the first time in decades. It cost him the election, and probable cemented the legacy of Bill Clinton. I hope Bill still sends him a nice fruit cake for the holidays.
you are a jackass. No one wants you here. Put your pants on, get offthe couch and leave your mother's basement
Ahhh… my mistake.
i think you're dead wrong. Ronald Regan isn't walking through that door to save the day. the sooner we the people realize that, the better off we'll all be. we the people need to take back our country & our government. we should not wait for one single figure head to try & do everything like the left has in Big O. we don't need a leader because we are the leader. this is our country & if we don't take it back now, we may never have the chance again.
most in the republican party have turned their back on the people, which is why we can no longer get behind them & why hoffman lost. hoffman didn't lose because of the tea party, he almost won because of it. he lost because of piss poor anti American republican leadership trying too hard to be cool like the cats on the left. i'm not saying the people should form their own official party, i think the people should try take back the republican party first. and if that doesn't work, then take the next step & form a new party. if we can't get back the republican party from leaders who have sold the country out, then we should make it obsolete.
well put
The "aughts" do not end until December 31st 2010.
Hey Larry, let us know how that works out for you… I'm not sure how well that "withdrawing my consent" stuff will go over in a representative democracy. But if you can do it and not land up in prison you should blog about it.
I just submitted an application to volunteer with my local Tea Party. If the GOP thinks that they will get my vote just because they voted against the stimulus and health care then they have their head in the sand. We have gone to far down this road of debt and currency debasement for the GOP to turn it around. They have shown again and again that they do not have the fortitude or moral principals to do what is right. The Tea Party must emerge as a valid 3rd party or our country is ruined. I don't think people are willing to admit it to themselves, but if you really think about everything that is happening, this is the only way out. Fiscal responsibility, limited government and free markets. That is what the Tea Party represents as their core values. I'm in.
Well, regardless of who is at fault, it's still one more Democratic vote in the House to pass health care reform. So thanks to the teabaggers and the GOP. You guys are the best!
If you don't vote then you don't count. There is no such thing as moderation in a dog fight, and from where I stand you are just one less teabagger.
I'm just tweaking ya… but you really should vote.
Come on now. Bush charged up two wars and a trillion dollars on our credit card, and then tried to hide it from voters by using "emergency funding".
You cut taxes in the middle of a war and you are going to zoom up the debt. Even a teabagger can do that arithmetic.
It is my right Not to vote, just as it is my right to own a gun…or not….I find it enormously perplexing that so many people should feel that someone should vote if there is no one to vote for…no one who represents them….to vote for the lesser of two evils….that's nonsense in these times….the answer is to provide people TO vote for….what happened to that? Where are the leaders who can be elected who TRULY espouse the principles that some of us ascribe to. And, by the way, I count more in many people's eyes because I DON"T vote…I stand up for what I want.
Amen….
Not a bad idea. I've always thought that the major problem with campaign funding is that we let non-people giveaway other peoples money. If we were to stop allowing corporations and unions contribute and took the limits off of individual contributions it might be more above board. You would also have to eliminate soft money and make each campaign publish the source of every dime they receive.
There is no such thing as a "corporate campaign contribution". There is only bribery and extortion.
My congressman is Rep. Tom McClintock. This is the type of conservative we need! Solid Fiscal Conservative, smart, and eloquent. We need his type all over the Republican Party. No more Lindsey Grahmnesties. And we need to get rid of these little piss-ant states that vote for Moderates in the early primaries–locking out any hope for a conservative leader to arise. New Hampshire and Ohio need to be replaced in the early rounds with states that do not have same day registration or allow crossover/non-affliated voters to vote in the Republican Primaries. No more McCains!!
Long Live the Republic
In 1856 the Whig party was in shambles and a new party was born. It lost it's first election, and only won it's second election because the opposing party split between two candidates. I was at Washington on 9/12 and again for Bachman's rally. Our defacto leader right now is Glen Beck, though he is not equipped to be a politician. What I want to see is Sarah Palin move in to the leadership of the RNC, the organization that helps pick and support candidates for office. Steele should be recruiting her now. As far as what the tea party people can do now: volunteer in your local districts, get on the committees that help recruit and pick local candidates, pack the party with fiscal conservatives. We have to take over the Republican Party, a third party won't do in the kind of electoral college we have. We may be in for a long haul, but we can do it.
This assumes that you believe that "politicians" are "leaders". I don't personally feel that very many politicians are leaders. Politicians are power brokers….not leaders. All of the people you mention here are politicians…or, in the case of Palin…were….does that put her in a bettger position to be a "leader"…..
Your numbers are suspect, but your reasoning is sound. I'm not sure why teabaggers don't get that, but it is a pretty big gift to the other side. My guess is that it will probably only last for one election cycle, but it is going to kill Republican hopes for taking back the House in a year where the economic cycle is perfectly timed for voters to be ready to "throw the bums out".
This is the gift that is going to keep on giving.
The biggest mistake tea partiers can do is to let article distract them from standing uncompromisingly for what they believe in!
Couldnt disagree more w/ Warner. Like he said, it's an "untapped" source of "powerful passions"…that is a GOOD problem. Actually I can see where he's coming from in that if we continue to "fritter" it away in 2010, it would be a giant mistake, but as for his tremendous "damage" remark? C'mon, again, yes it would be a tremendous mistake, but it wouldn't be harmful per se. And oh yea, the work that Tea Partiers and groups like FreedomWorks, Americans for Prosperity, Heritage, Accuracy in Media, AEI did, it stopped the monstrosity of what was in the original Obamacare ( I know I know how bad the bill is now, but it doesn't hold a candle to the original plan)
There is nothing magical about limited government. Government expands faster under Republicans than it does under Democrats, so the whole idea has become a joke. What Republicans should run on is effective, responsible government. Voters are always going to demand government services regardless of who is in charge. We need to figure out how to pay for it… and it is going to involve a combination of tax increases and spending restraint.
You see, this is what I'm talking about. Some people in the party may have let us down, but they are not the party. At least not the Republicans. The Democrats are so full of liberal progressives they may not be salvageable. Would you say that every cop in the country is bad because you found one or two bad departments? No.
Should we entertain the idea of doing away with police altogether and letting everyone fend for themselves? No. But your new \”no party\” stance amounts to the same thing. It is a completely unworkable idea in my opinion.
I say what I have said from the beginning. Fix what's wrong with the GOP. If the Democrats were less broken than the GOP, I'd advocate fixing them. But, they're worse. That's the situation on the ground and we need to start working the solution.
Sorry, I have to disagree. I don't think there is a problem. It's a group of people who are tired of the garbage that's been representing us in Congress, local as well as national. These Tea Parties are based on educating and networking and principals. I've met so many good people through the tea parties and we're currently planning a local conservative phonebook so we can learn about conservative owned businesses in our neck of the woods. This will strengthen the Conservative community. We will also meet, discuss topics, take over our local committee chairs and then take over the party. Whether we lose or not is irrelevant in the near future but make sure that you all know, we are coming and you can't stop us.
We have to have the guts to lose in order to prove our point. I think the New York 23 race represented the power of the Tea Party beautifully and I'm sure that the Republican party is going to listen to us more than they used to. If they don't, it will be their fault and their doom.. The Tea Party goal is to regain control of our representatives. If we vote to win without sticking to our principals, we'll only continue our current predicament which is exactly what got us in this mess. Stay strong and stay away from third party solutions, pay attention to local as well as national news and lets take our party back but this time, lets keep it!
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Let's all go protest their offices and shout them down… these liberal liberals are too liberal.
I Cant agree more, the Republicans need to change their ways or the vote will split.
I think you tea people need a leader of a sort with some executive experience and a history of helping send corrupt officials into prison cells.(ALSO MADE ENERGY OFFICIALS DEAL ON CAMERA TO END BACKROOM DEALS)A history of reducing spending,reducing taxes,reducing earmarks,reducing medical backlogs.Has helped put her state on 25% renewable energy sources.Combined with saving billions in good times for bad times like now.Helping create energy jobs from massive pipeline deals. Has free market HC ideas that will work like interstate comp.Wants domestic offshore drilling and domestic cng developement.Says Obama has to stop bowing to world leaders,your not going to set up HC rationing boards(death pannels).Hang those terorrist high,screw the NY trials.Says no cash for the Goracles pals TILL CLIMATEGATES INVESTIGATED.Youbetcha…
The person who wrote this article is an unmitigated, pluperfect IDIOT!!!
He should GO AWAY FOREVER!
You are wrong. Intentionally, I would bet. We have several leaders that are trusted by all. Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachman, Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. Two things unite everyone; Left, Right and Center, that being corruption and over spending. Without fixing those two, we have no way of addressing the other things that are more obtuse.
Very much so…its time for the Republican party and all its knuckleheads laid to rest
There is never going to be a perfect candidate so you pick the guy or gal who best fits your world view and go support them.
By the way, when you call your councilman or representative, they have no way of knowing who you voted for, but they all have access to the voter registration rolls that list all of the elections for the past five years and who voted in each. So you want your congressman to take you seriously when you call with a problem or concern, it behooves you to be on that list. And if you are one of the rare voters who make it to every off year school board and city council election, you are a guy to be reckoned with.
Won't happen Vic. The Armed Forces will not go along with it. Right now, "Presidential Greeter" formations have to be ordered onto the tarmac for Obama's photo ops when he flies onto Mil Bases. They stopped asking for volunteers, 'cause no one would. Currently he's about as popular with the Military as trench-foot. If he tries it, think the million+ teaparty, march – in every large City – armed, (there are 200 million privately owned firearms in the U.S) then add the Military.
We won't become France lite. We have 50 individual states here, however the feds have tried to marginalize them to the point that people can't vote with their feet, i.e. california = texas.
The pendulum in Washington just swings back and forth, Republicans in charge of congress, the democrats, then back to Republicans. The people in San Francisco will probably vote Pelosi again, although she may have some competition this time from another democrat.
At any rate, don't fool yourself and think that in 2012 your particular flavor of a savior will bring massive change.
I know this is difficult for you to hear, especially on a right with blog were everyone is supposed to agree with you. And you may not believe my historical facts, and that's ok. History is open to interpretation. But just look around you today, in 2009. Republicans have 40 seats in the Senate and a 40 seat deficit in the House. That was not caused by faulty messaging. You are being punished by the voters for failure. At some point you have to accept some responsibility and adapt or perish as a legitimate political party.
The New Deal changed the way we relate to our government and you can never turn that clock backwards. Getting dressed up in tea bags and screaming at folks only makes you look silly. If you don't come up with ideas that make people's lives better you are going to be throwing bricks from the outside of power for a long, long time.
America needs two strong parties. Breaking one of them up in a temper tantrum is counter productive.
The Republican Party has been taken over by the Rockefeller camp and there is no hope of recapturing anything. Keep playing the "two party" game and the CFR boys will keep laughing at the plebeians from both parties.
i admire her for coming from a humble background and not an elite made for washington background.
i admire her for taking on both the republicans and democrats in Alaska.
i hope she does her homework and doesn't completely fall into the partisan trap and develops a different approach.
I think you're right. Both parties have a love/hate relationship with Independents… love em when their with you, hate em when they're not. My wife and I will do it.
I admit I'm no conservative, but I don't get Sarah Palin. When she burst onto the national political scene I listened to every word trying to see for myself what John McCain saw in her and frankly, I was dumbfounded. She made Dan Quayle look like a Rhodes scholar. For me the Charlie Gibson interview was bad, when she had no idea what the Bush doctrine was. But the meltdown with Katie Couric made me realize there is no there, there. I watched her on the stump yelling at Republicans to drill baby drill and I knew at that moment Obama was going to win in November.
She sealed her political fate when she quit Alaska. Her political future is now limited to preaching to the converted and she will never be a viable national candidate, even if she managed to win the Republican nomination. You get one chance to make a first impression.
It's a real stretch to blame the media for this mess… she is a train wreck.
We are not dying for Israel in any shape or form. We are dying for America. We are dying to keep America free from scum like yourself. I served in Iraq, and Afghanistan, along with being in Vietnam; and some of the shit I witnessed concerning totalitarianism is mind boggling. Israel has nothing to do with any of this. The Nigerian scumbag that tried to down an Amrican plane on Christmas Day was not an Israeli, nor an agent of Israel. He was a Moslem hell bent on our destruction. Israel had nothing to do with that action, Nor did Israel have anything to do with 9/11, or even the Assassination of Lincoln, McKinley, or Kennedy. Get your facts straight or re-read Stormfront you Nazi bastard.
the typical hand-wringing. the biggest mistake, are you kidding me? I love the prospect of the Tea Party going the third party route, because the Republican party would collapse. and it deserves to. It is the side without passion or leaders, and if the tea Party became another party the good people like DeMint, Palin and others would climb aboard. who would stay in the Republican party other than a few Rinos or Lindsey Grahamnesty or Susan Collins. We need a third party challenge to focus and clarify what we are fighting for. republicans do not privide this kind of leadership.
That image of teabaggers marching on Washington to demand satisfaction would be a powerful visual on the hi def TV machine. Voters would get living rooms views of what kind of people these are and what they are prepared to do to take political power.
So I hope we see a lot of them during this election year. I know Republicans are pulling their hair out because this should be their year. Now the sight of right wing crazies carrying Nazi posters and pictures of dead babies is going to ruin it all.
I agree. Local Tea Parties should be discussing, planning, and preparing for their own candidates at whatever level of government possible. Some republican officials are trying to enter the Tea Party circles simply because they are (R)'s. That's not going to work. We will end up where we are today. We need fresh talent, that is too naive to care if it takes cutting spending to bring the body they serve back to the black.
Let's try teabagging. Visuals of 10,000 angry white people marching on DC with tea bags dangling from their head gear… what could go wrong with that?
Hire Palin.As an oursider from another country the answer is staring America in the face.Look at her record what she says,it goes to the core of what 99% of you are saying.
So because the tea parties were not part of a political machine they are deemed a mistake? It's a feature, not a bug. This guy is full of crap.
Yeah, if you only watch Glenn Beck and hang out on right wing blogs, I can see where you would get the impression that this teabagger movement is some kind of dominant force. But it is still a fringe movement. Republicans are scared to death of you, and the rest of us think you are emotion driven whack jobs. In fact, the worst thing that can happen to you is people actually seeing you on TV and listening as you demand vague, often strange political concessions. So keep on bagging, because we probably couldn't beat the Republicans in 2010 without you.
NO! NO! NO!
The tea party movement MUST CONTINUE! Fight taxes! Down with Obama! USA! USA! USA!
I agree. Teabaggers need to hit the streets and tell everyone they are mad as hell…
Tom, you need to dial it down a notch. No one is going to leave because some teabagger yells at them. Use your intellect… and your words…
Neocons go along with the welfare state and the warfare state. They also talk free market capitalism yet interfere with the market as much as the democrats. They also destroy civil liberties in the name of protection.
These guys are all on my teabagging dream team. I get all emotional and a little teary when I imagine the prospects of 20 percent of the Republican party pealing off and following one of these head cases into the streets of DC. I think it brighten any liberal's day.
I'd vote for Jeb. You can talk about electing true conservatives all you want, but now that the the troothers and NWO nuts seem to have taken over tea parties, well that's the end of that.
If they are teabaggers then you must be "Fisitng"? Opposite of teabagging is fisting which your side cherishes. The fisting party has trained you well in being a nut job seminar forum poster. You get your talking points from the fisting party of the political left. Oh, you author your own creative thoughts?
Well hey! If Sarah is a quitter of Alaska, then I would like to see how well you would handle all the phony allegations so called ethic violations that were careless thrown at her. Did you know she had to pay for defense out of her own pocket? After 500 grand in bills the pressure was on. So tell us how you would have handle that situation? You probably would have moderated and becaome another politician with a lobotomy.
In the mean time, your side has been "Fisting" the American people with your phony moderation. Now that Obama is in charge..what can go wrong?
I've never commented here b4 today, and tried about an hour or so ago, but still can't find it. So this is a test.
Moderates have been staging an exodus away from the Democrats and pretty much go with Conservatives since Obama has taken the reigns. Have to admit, the Republicans had their problems but Democrats know how to drive themselves into political extinction. I wouldn't get get cocky about teaparties scaring away independence, Obama has achieved that with little effort.
The only credible leader of Tea Parties is Glenn Beck.
He doesn't need to run for anything.. just uncover / recruit / develop the best candidate (or least destructive) for every race. Sounds tough but computerized, he can do it.
Call it "The Freedom Meter" and display on all Fox shows as well as here !
I see nothing wrong with millions of REAL Americans showing up in DC to tell these dirtbags that we have had enough. Let them label all they want; its all the left is good for anyway.
Gotta love the libs.
Do we have to?
I think the biggest potential mistake for the TEA party would be a third party bid for the WH in 2012. (apologies if this has been mentioned already). Shades of Ross Perot, which brought us Bill Clinton.
Who are we gonna get for a leader? How about yet another slimy politician who says that they will do away with lobbyists, balance the budget, hire only honest people, run the most transparent administration in history, go through every government program budget line-by-line, balance the budget, extract us from frivolous foreign adventures… Oh wait, I think we already have such a leader. How's that working out for you folks?
Here's another idea…how about we get 5 to 10 million people to completely occupy the mall and surrounding streets in Washington and do it without a particular leader? How about we mobilize 50 million furious voters to get rid of the incumbents in 2010 (minus the very few incumbents who actually respond to us because they seem to be sympatico)? I will stop before going into the subsequent escalation actions that tens of millions of furious people could subsequently accomplish. It doesn't take much imagination to figure the next steps out.
Many posters are calling for a "Leader" to step forward. Moderates and liberals are saying "there is nothing here for me!" I say this to all of my fellow americans. The only leader we need are principles. Our principles are spelled out in the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution of the United States, and the writings of our founding fathers and leaders in our history. I know I sound like a parrot about this, but we the people need to take over the two parties, throw out all who are not of high character, which will be all those there now. Leaders will rise to the top as the time to shine arrives. We then, will need to keep their feet to the fire with our principles being our "guiding light". But, if we sit around and wait for SOMEONE to be the leader, we will be crying about the same things this time next year!
Tea Parties have a leader. The Same man who inspired the start of the tea parties during the 2008 election. RON PAUL. Any self respecting Tea Party supporter should know that.
Well said. I hope they don't take your advice, but you are absolutely correct.
Forget the R's and D's. They are both corrupt. And whomever said "Don't you watch the History Channel", give me a break, don't you ever read a book? Read history told from the forefathers of this country. The I's, like myself, are the people who will drive the next elections. The R's lost their way a long time ago, they are no longer true conservatives. They were spending like drunken sailors when Bush was in office. The Tea Party is the true Conservative movement in this country.
Ugh…
The Tea Party movement reflects an ideology (mostly a conservative ideology) while the Republican Party is a political party. The Party is made up of several different and sometimes competing groups including Neocons (former Liberal Hawks), Christians, business interests and Conservatives, among others. If the TRUE Conservatives can stage a takeover of the Republican Party, they can advance their ideology through the party. Local leaders are in the best position to channel the energies of the local tea partiers but they may feel overwhelmed and in over their heads. I am not for a central leader for the Tea Partiers. Keep it local. It will be too easy to become disillusioned in a single person. But as a Conservative, I am looking for a someone to stand out that I can support and rally behind. It is important here that we define their terms. Many Tea Partiers (I am one) call themselves Conservative but that label has been misused and misapplied. Conservatives are trying to conserve the foundations of the Constitution and promote limited government. Alternatives to healthcare reform, like those proposed by some 'conservative' Republicans, are not conservative in nature. A Constitutional Amendment defining marriage is not a conservative position. Promoting a strong executive branch (as done in the Bush years) is not a conservative concept. Words mean things. Slapping a Conservative label on someone does not make them a Conservative. I'd rather see the Tea Party movement keep separate from the broader Conservative movement. And keep it local where it can be managed and channeled. Local political activity is the fuel for the Conservative fire.
Has anyone 'noticed' that if you are not a big 'D' or 'R' you don't get backing, support, or MONEY?
The answer is very, very easy … as a GROUP … settle on our values – A Republic (small un-intrusive government), that adheres to the Constitution, balanced budget, term limits, repeal of several progressive amendments etc., and those values of the 912 Project. Then get a "fresh face" who also agrees with 80% of those values … submit him as a 'r' or 'd' with the explicit promise that once elected s/he changes to a "I"
Can you imagine if 1/3 of congress was indeed an independent? Forming – running as a third party is disastrous … because both the Democrats and Republicans will try to keep you off the ballet, you'll never get air time in debates because again the big parties will cut you out with legal challenges, money etc., … better to go in as something "r/d" and then switch to be 'none of the above.'
We must get rid of these Federalists – BOTH brands. We have to stay engaged, angry, and hungry to return to a republican form of government – and that does not mean either of the big parties we are now saddled with.
I've noticed that this notion that 'the people' must have a leader permeating talk radio; Pat filling in for Glenn Beck asked "who was going to be THE ONE" in the same tone Obamaniacs chant for their Dear Leader. This is problematic for me on a couple of levels.
1. This infers that power does not rest with 'the people', but rather with someone who can lead the people. This has very Charismatic overtones and subjects any movement to the foibles of humanity – a misstep by one individual can destroy an organization.
2. By this logic, if the movement can't be effective until a leader is selected, then others will not join or participate because who wants to join an ineffective group? Rather than pursuing effective techniques (phone calls, emails, rallies) both singularly and in groups, the cry now is often 'is he the one?, is she the one?" followed by 'I can't identify anyone that fits the bill".
Piles of sand grow tall yet no one tells them how tall they should be…Water organizes into ice under the right circumstances without a leader…The American economy exists without a leader; it is when people attempt to lead the economy that failure is injected.
I say for now, let's leave this experiment be. The Tea Party Movement has and will be approached by any number of candidates vying for our support; let's cull and support them, let's choose them and carry them lest they forget, as most of Washington has already, THAT WE DON'T NEED THEM, THEY NEED US!!!
How about dialing down the anger and supporting some political compromises. Get something you want and give up something dear to get it. That is how the system is designed to work.
I know Jeb Bush personally. I worked in George W. Bush's Administration .. and yes I am a conservative. While I admire W very much, JEB would have been a much better President. He turned the State of Florida around and unfortunately RINO Crist is undoing everything JEB did. I highly doubt JEB seeking federal office. He may serve in the next GOP Cabinet and help "rebrand" the Bush name. But I don't see him running for office in 2012 or beyond!
The tea party movement may get rid of the RINOs that have and continue to damage the GOP. Will we ever forget John McCain telling us that Barack Obama would make a good president. And how about Charlie Crist of FL going on the Al Bore global warming bandwagon. I would rather see these fools out of here for good than to continue to erode the Republicans. These are not conservative politicians….these are liberals faking it.
Split the vote in the primaries. Tea Party candidate takes the nomination, runs as Republican. Simple. No Tea Party Candidate should ACTUALLY run against a Republican, that's just suicide. This is how you take back the RNC, by killing their bad candidates and leaving them no choice.
I think this commentary is predicated upon a number of assumed truths, ones I see as a bureaucratic/lobbyist model. Millions of like-minded individuals simply showing up when a gathering is called has a beauty and a strength to it that all the leaders and money in the world cannot duplicate. It really does come down to individual responsibility and action, as do most things that are worth while. It is incumbent upon Tea Party participants, like myself, to understand we must be tenacious and consistent and let this grow organically. This January 8, there are 8 more people coming with me to the Lehigh Valley meeting. Be patient!
I have been involved in Republican politcs for more than 20 years. And yes, I am still a Constitutional Conservative who believes in less taxing, less spending, less government, personal responsibility and more freedom. After reading her book, there is no question that Governor Palin is fed up with the direction of the leadership in Washington who believe that “human nature is changeable and therefore perfectible” and that all of our nation’s problems can be fixed if only the government were bigger, better funded and in more control of every facet of our lives. Moreover, there is no doubt where she stands in her relationship with God as well as in her political views in which she describes herself as an independent Reagan-Thatcher commonsense conservative who sees the world as imperfect and who believes we should not ignore history’s lessons and that we should stop wasting time and money to try and create a utopian society. She is the polar opposite of the current Administration and Congressional leadership (many Republicans as well) who believes in the heavy hand of government which is giving us soaring unemployment, sky-high taxes and is taking over control of major sectors of our economy.
I went and signed up at the http://www.teapartynation.com website, but was banned because they didn't like my avatar that was based on a design from a WWII bomber. It appears the extremist are taking over the national movement and they are going to be losing the support of many like be because of it, so I don't see any hope for the national movement.
mik in Texas!!! Better increase your car insurance or remove the BHO bumper stickers…LOL
Happy New Year
I dsagree. There are more conservative women in this country than the national media will let you believe. Eagle Forum has more members by a country mile than does NOW or NARAL. Sara Palin's life story comes more closely to most women in this country than do the women who live in DC, NYC, SF, LA or any other large blue urban area. Remember this one rule of politics, your opponent will never attack anyone they are not affraid of! Sarah Palin is a major threat to the liberal and political establishment and that is why she is being relentlessly attacked!
All the dems need to do is send in and run a bunch of pretend right-wing advocates, you know, blue-dog types, who call themselves independents or republicans who have NO CHANCE of winning but can exploit the notion of throw the bums out. The tea party, for all its effectiveness and passion, has a greater chance of splitting the vote and costing the right in 2010, then it does of galvanizing the voting public. We could easily overplay our hand in our early excitement for 2010.
Politics is a blood sport and not for the feint of heart. Palin is a big girl and it is unlikely she quit the people of Alaska because of the mean liberals. She quit because the is a fortune to be made from book sales and speaking engagements. Celebrity (and her good looks) is fleeting and you have to get on it while the iron is hot. So I don't really blame her…. we are talking millions of dollars that are hers for the taking. So let's stop pretending that she is doing this "for the good of Alaskans".
Since you asked, the way I would have handled it is I would have fulfilled the four year commitment I made to the people, then I would do exactly what she is doing now…minus the carping on twitter.
I think you and I have something in common. I flew bombers in the AF for 25 years (call sign Lefty). B-52s in North Dakota and later B-1s in SD and Texas. I retired in 98.
Very True, Harry. Thinking that a Third Party is the solution is pure utopianism. First, we need to get rid of as many of the most corrupt in Politics using our current system. The long term goal would be the slow cultivation of a Third Party perhaps.
Rome was not built in a day. The Commies took more than 50 years to get us here. We can do some damage in 2010 and 2012 but the ideological war will be a long one.
Much of what you said is very true. But they ARE what they are. Accept that they are only good as CHEERLEADERS, and they never intend to CARRY THE BALL. They are NOT strategists, they are gadflys that point out where the weakparts exist and where deception is going on. And they just do the best one can do against a HUGE MACHINE of coverups and propaganda. They are NOT GOOD DEBATERS….and in fact one gets tired of their shows with "pretend fair and balanced" shout outs of everyone trying to talk louder and stronger in defense of liberals vs. conservatives. These folks are not GREAT MINDS….but just like cheerleaders are out there to keep the crowd fired up…they are much the same. To win a game, there has to be a good team with serious coaches and a long range plan. THE GOP is in total self centered meltdown…it has no leaders, with the members only worried about getting reelected or defeating some Democrat….not with any SOLUTIONS or transparency.
I can see you are angry, and you should be. But not with me or the president. Republicans had a golden opportunity in 2000 to enact their supply side economic agenda and remake the economy…. and they did. Sadly they failed and are now being punished by the voters. So hold up a mirror to the Republican party for a little introspection. The way back is not by taking to the streets with teabags hanging from your head and screaming that you want the old ideas to come back. That ship has sailed and isn't coming back. Come up with a new ideas that will make people's lives better… that is the way back to power.
Not true again! Your congressmen, councilors, commissioners and school board electives respect those who get things done. Some of us get things done…..it has nothing to do with faux politics. I create jobs and businesses in the communities I work in…..when I need something from an elected official…it gets done….and I don't vote for them.
You should take this message out into the streets so that all of America can hear you. It's going to be fun to watch.
I'm not sure where you are going with this, but I made a valid point (with tongue in cheek). The teabag movement is about to split the Republican party at a time when fewer Americans self identify as Republicans since the days of LBJ. The result is going to be that they will miss a golden opportunity to take back the House in 2010 in an off year election when voter turnout is historically lower. By 2012 the economy will have recovered and the window will have closed.
Not that any of this hurts my feelings. I think teabaggers are poison for the country and deserve to be marginalized. And polarizing figures like Limbaugh, Palin and Beck are exactly the guys you want to lead a movement off of a cliff. Oh, and don't forget Michelle Bachman… drop dead gorgeous and nut-crazy. Every time she opens her mouth to speak it is like money in the bank for Democrats. If Obama gets a second term and still has a Democratic senate he is going to reshape the courts for a generation.
Beck is NOT A LEADER. He does not want nor need to be the torch bearer. He is the truth SAYER and the flag waver. He is terrific at what he does, but it is a mistake to confuse leadership and management with advertising..to use a commercial hyperbole. Frankly, the first need is LOCAL strong leadership identification and operations. The begin to bubble up to regional, state, then national leadership. If the locals DO NOT get busy and stay busy with the people THEY most influence, there is no way to get a full bore national vision and plan agreed to and working. Wars are won battle by battle and on each field by individual skirmishes. When winning begins, the other side will begin to turn up the hatred and propaganda…and it must be countered LOCALLY…not in the press alone. Action works, not rhetoric.
You are spot on. The Boy Scouts did not become successful due to a national leader, but to local leaders who set up troops and built upon the PRINCIPLES set out by Lord Baden Powell. That is how to grow from the grassroots, and it is not about getting ELECTED….it is about controlling the contributions LOCALLY….if locals stop the flow of money to BOTH political parties until the desires of the citizens start to be heard and addressed…there will only be money from interest groups. They can be fought with boycotts and protests….and that is where they get taken down…..follow the money and control its flow…but use PRINCIPLES to keep the message on target….smaller government, less taxation, more transparency, term limits, tort reforms, get rid of activist judges, stop nation building with secret funding and CIA operations….etc.
The people behind the scenes that guide the politicians and advise them. Most of them are not educated enough to speak accurately on many topics such as economics for example, and therefore depend on the handlers to figure out what they are suppose to say.
Hey Bill. When I moved to Texas the cost of my car insurance doubled from what I was paying in South Dakota. Guess those insurance companies figure that with 20 million Texans driving around, the odds increase that I will bump into one of them. You can drive all day in SD and not see another human.
Keep hope alive! Happy New Year to you too.
We do not need a messiah or a rock star for leadership. We need someone with capacity to listen and to execute…we need to not look to a person's religion nor history of voting, but to their personal conduct of their own life……if a person is respectable and steadfast, whatever he believes and votes for in the past in not the indication of his or her future. Someone we can TRUST, and who will commit to step down immediately should he or she violate the PRINCIPLES the citizens demand of him.
Sarah is cool, like Obama was cool. And she is a quality lady. But, she is too much part of the vicious political spotlight from the anti-bush, McCain vs. Obama and Clinton camp era….she has kept a lot of folks with hope for conservatism, but she cannot win enough of the citizens against the meanspiritied George Soros funded liberal propaganda machine and MSM. She is too vulnerable to getting hurt. And she deserves better.
The U.S. Economy grew from 9 trillion/year to 14 trillion/year between 2003 and 2006. Do that arithmetic you pathetic dupe.
Paul is an intellectual and principaled man. But he is not a leader nor does he have charisma. He was pushed into running last time. He doesn't have the appeal to even explain his underlying wisdom, plus, he has not done anything other than tell us all what is wrong with America and what we need to get rid of. He represents elitist economic theory too much to know how to do a road map to GET to a better place. His rhetoric is just the same as Obamas only 180 degrees the opposite direction. He hollers for CHANGE and tells you what is WRONG..but he has never put together any implementation team or DOERS that show him as a leader, just as an advocate.
Not knocking Paul as a man, but realistically as a leader, he will fail to get any solid backing from normal folks that want America to actually do somethings to head up back to convervative and constitutional principles.
You are a wise lady!
Requires term limits and limitations on amount of time and money to be spent on campaigning. As well, a strong impeachment committment by the Congress for anyone found to be self dealing or unethical.
I am finished with Rino's and Progressives.
The tea-parties will hopefully result in a viable third option, of real conservatives, using the constitution as their frame.
I know why the Republican party fears the tea-party, it is because it will put them in a weaker position to win elections, as it will likely rob them of votes. And rightfully so. This Two party, corporate funded, Kabuki dance is ruining our Republic.
I agree, A third party is NOT the answer. As a teapartier in Dallas, we have broken into zip code a precinct groups and are working with our local GOP leaders to help get conservatives on the ballot for the March primaries. We will begin our door to door get out the vote efforts in January. This is how to do it. We need to come along side the local GOP to help, encourage and hold accountable those in office. And believe me, we've been met by the GOP with nothing but enthusiasm and gratitude! Same kinds of things are happening with the tea party and GOP in Arizona. We don't have time to recreate the wheel. We just need to strengthen and realign the existing one!
I agree. Good reason to concentrate on Congressional elections to break the Democrat stranglehold on Congress and the government…..make that happen while getting an organization for the Presidential Primaries…maybe put up candidates for BOTH parties that are independent minded centrists…and make both parties fight like hell against the citizen's choice…..let the party most agreeable to do the biding of the Tea Party indenpendents get the backing…….but break the single party stranglehold first.
The only problem that could arise with the TPM is it forms it's own political party and shows up on election as a third party. That is where the problem be. The TPM is nothing more then grassroots of Americans waking up the reality of big government is a true threat. As long as they put Republican candidates to the litmus test and primary the right ones to election is what needs to be done so RINO's like McCain and Grahm can take a hike.
People like Rush, Beck and Palin is what exactly the Party needs. It's not like the party has been follow their advice. The Repugs were against Reagan…they didn't like him but Reagan was too good and went over their heads and won two landslide elections. So the Republican establishment has too go and be changed.
There are people on this forum who with to start a third party of Independents which I think is wrong. Because I myself don't want to abandon the party of Lincoln and Reagan. It's nothing more then a political vehicle with much recognition and with some changes at the top can pave the way for more conservative candidates which is what this country needs…Conservatives. Not mush,gushy moderates like McCain…that's how we got here. What made bush mushy like his dad is he tried to get along with democrats. After deficit spending, Homeland security forming, medicare part D expansion, the guy was fiscally terrible because of his "new tone" and that's what got him in trouble even though he was good hearted.
So Conservatism wins the day. Reagan won 49 out of 50 states on his re-election and many Republicans would benefit because that's what Americans want is government out of their lives, not a band of country club politicians who are there to hang out in Washington.
Years ago there was a tradition among military officers not to vote for president. They felt it was wrong to vote for or against their commander and chief. By the time I came along that was considered quaint, old time thinking. But there were still a few guys around who went old school and wouldn't vote. And like you, that was their right.
If you are for the Obama's Heathcare Bill….I will vote you out!
If you are for any dealing with illegal aliens….I will vote you out!
If you do not make our borders safer….I will vote you out!
If you do not believe we are at war with muslim terrorists….I will vote you out!
If you call a terrorist a radical….I will vote you out!
If you are for a Bigger Government….I will vote you out!
If you are for increasing our taxes….I will vote you out!
If you support the Man Mande Global Wamming krap….I will vote you out!
If you support Cap and Trade….I will vote you out!
If you do not believe all individuals are equal (and support abortion)….I will vote you out!
I see you ditched the abortion question. Compromise is the reason we are in this mess. If you loan car to a person and they had an accident you would be held liable. Guilt by association is done to gang members everyday. Parole can’t hang with felons. There is even an old saying parents use “you are who your friends are“. Even the law to catch and convict mobsters is guilt by association. Even the patriot act is guilty by association. Call a known terrorist by mistake and see what happens. On and on.. This is called ACCOUNTABILITY and only you can hold people accountable. And it is up to you. You keep saying politics is different that is why we are in this mess … the my guy is the good guy mentality has bankrupted our country. BY your standards we can’t no accountable for their actions even the politician caught in a motel room with a naked woman not his wife. Yes it could be innocent I am sure it was.
yes they do..
oh really?? try to have civil debate about her and it is like talking to bobots
Agree – have a interesting take on money campaigning. Open the campaigning 'season' several months out, take the federal money we put in on our taxes and spread it evenly to those campaigning – allowing these to all debate, and campaign.
Also return to the old style (as originally designed) of allowing the winner to be President, and the second popular vote in the race as VP. Taking it as the people's will, NOT the parties. Should the 1st not get enough vote to pass the electoral colleges limit, a run-off between the top two – but one shall be Prez and on VP (in a two man race).
The Tea Party works best without a national leader. This means local people have to step up. No one but Sarah Palin could lead, and we are all better off if she stays independent, while giving the Republican brand more shine than anyone else. Republican hacks like Newt and Dick will try to co-opt the movement, but we will use them, rather than the other way around. We prefer the Tea Party because it is the biggest tent around, untainted by the Beltway hustlers. Nothing keeps individuals from volunteering or donating to candidates. Just don't pretend to speak for the rest of us. Money? Send it to SarahPAC where it will be more wisely spent than if sent to the GOP.
She was all for the bailouts… Some of her positions are right but she believes in the government being "here to help". There are plenty of pro limited government fiscal conservatives who value the constitution in the movement we don't need another "compassionate conservative".
I agree, but what happens when the big "R" hijacks the anger? and weakens the angry bee's? This lose grouping to be effective MUST remain strongly bound by ideals (such as the 912 ideals), but independent of the Big Boys… R or D. I believe DeMint, and Backman are good people to the heart – BUT they have been in Congress too long – we need a whole bunch of 'freshmen/women' who truly represent the feelings AND anger of the American people.
Power Corrupts and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. I am sure, there are those that would like to avail themselves to the power of the populist movement. But the very definition "Populist" means people are tired of the power drunk wielding power of opportunistic politicians in the first place. My husband, and I, intentionally didn't sign petitions or get on list when we attended tea parties locally. Why? We were there to serve ourselves, and fellow like minded American Citizens. NOT make up some politician or political parties Base. I will vote Conservative PERIOD, and I am an Independent. I trust neither political party- neither brand that has been MARKETED to appeal to the Masses. They are both corrupted by the financiers – domestic and foreign. We are in an era of fascism in this country. People should identify the enemies of the American people. We have politicians who serve their corporate masters – NOT US citizens.
But who shall be our Representative(s) in our Republic? We can't all go to congress…. somewhere down the road we need a Statesman (representative) who will fight for term limits, constitutional amendments, fair/flat tax, repeal of several amendments etc., WHO shall it be?
We rally around the flag, we have an idea … but this is not a pure democracy (where we all vote for everything) we have a representative democracy – which we must be 'involved' in (we just sat back and look what we got?) Tyranny. They don't fear us, we fear them.
Can you overcome the huge money, PR machine that these RINO's controll??? Can you keep the anger, and good ideals going…?
Form your own website … work the good ideas 'beside' the bigger 'official' wesite. Guess they didn't read that first Amendment.
This article seems to me to be a symptom of our Washington centric political culture. If it isn't big news, big money and big names, we worry that it won't work. To me the beauty of the Tea Parties is that they are the opposite of this. Our nation is supposed to be a collection of states that uses the Federal government to represent their interests in a very limited number of areas. Now we have a Federal government that has its fingers in every corner of every tiny town. For the Federal government to diminish, local and state governments need to flourish and start taking back their power. If the tea party movement gets people to care what policies their city council and state legislators are making, more power to it. If the states know they have an active population behind them, they will be able to start taking the Federal government to task for ignoring the Constitution.
This site proves I am right.. The republican are strictly my way or the highway.. The negatives flow like rain when you speak reason to a republican. Don't worry republicans the democrats do exactly like you just hate no debate.
But you cannot split the vote and win … you have to run a person of values (with which you agree with, and are willing to campaign for, work for, spend money for, and VOTE for) who is either in the Democrat or Republican party…. Change to an TEA Party, or Independent AFTER winning the seat … but in the first stages to get the money, debates, help it must be 'within.' Doug Hoffman a good example (NY-23) although he lost by just a 'few' votes it shows what a mobilized, angry, and foundation group CAN DO.
Take the anger, keep it glowing, think wisely and take it into 2010 and 2012 … keep reading, watching, writing, and recruiting!
Those damn weavels. Tea Party in Eugene? That should have made national headlines. The Tea Party works for me because I can support common sense conservatives and oppose the National Socialists without supporting the corrupt dinosaur known as the GOP.
Don't know about a "leader." I think the answer is to define a platform. A set of principles and actions that candidates must support to earn the votes of "TEA-partiers." Any candidate, from any party that promises to adhere to these priciples will get our votes. What we DON'T want is another "Big Gov't, Bush-Socialist, RINO" who lies to get our votes and then abandons the taxpayer when policy time comes. So if we can get a group of prominent conservative, constitutionalist spokespeople to come up with a set of "First Principles," and articulate them–that's a place to start.
I agree whole heartedly. This post above reminds me of a political tactic using FEAR to herd people in a direction the author thinks the tea party movement should go….I am not afraid if the Republicans have to spend time in the political wasteland to learn a lesson so be it. Time for a 3rd more viable party, one with a platform people can relate to, not watered down for mass appeal – we have all been studied to find out which marketing angle works the best on the most of us who actually vote. The first thing people of all political stripes need to understand is – we are not being represented we are being manipulated. I am tired of voting for the lesser of two evils.
I get to listen to the lamestream media tell me that America is better off as one of many countries sorry Socialist we earned our exceptionalism with blood and tears and sacrifice. The lamestream media has already abdicated any responsibility to objective journalism, the first thing that needs to happen is to drain the swamp that is tabloid biased journalism.
A Lobotomy is an option for you!
I'm sure we would…she was coming into prominence before McCain…I believe even if she was never picked to run we would know all about her now…and maybe she wouldn't be portrayed as dumb.
Re: abortion. Didn't really think it needed to be addressed. Palin rearing a Down's syndrome child establishes without doubt where she stands on the question of abortion, and she is steadfast in that position. My stand is that a woman is free to do with her body as she wishes, UNTIL another life takes up residence there. Should she not desire a baby, every precaution should be taken to preclude the possibility beforehand, but once life is formed in her body, she is responsible for that life.
As for McCain's stand on abortion, I could give a rat's rear end.
But you are completely wrong thinking simply because a person accepts a VP nomination that they immediately become a clone, a rubber stamp of the pres. candidate.
Crime and politics are quite different issues, though I will grant you the Obama administration, more than any other in recent memory, including Clinton, has done more to blur the line between them, and good arguments can be made for them being one in the same.
I notice you ditched the 'perfect candidate' issue I set forth. So that really leaves your position untenable, doesn't it?
You are seeking perfection in candidates, absolute unwavering adherence to every belief that you have. That will not happen, much as you might wish it.
To paraphrase Tonto (of Lone Ranger fame), where do you get this "we" business?
The GOP/RNC is a vacuous and value-less joke.
It has caused me considerably more angst than the DNC and its minions.
With the DNC, you lose our country in one fell swoop, while, with the RNC/GOP you lose it incrementally.
Neirther prospect interests me.
Yes the author is FEARFUL and it reeks….America wasn't built by the timid afraid to take on the prevailing power base. Quite the opposite.
We are at a low ebb of representation in this country, there is a STRONG populist wind blowing in this country, hopefully we will get rid of the incompetent and corrupt in 2010. It's not the American People who need to be Afraid it's the politicians who have sold us out who have reason to FEAR. 300 some million AMERICANS vs how many Congressmen and Senators? A populist movement that is getting STRONGER and looking for political scalps….No I'm not the least bit afraid of a leaderless movement.
I like Sarah a lot, but I have had this sinking feeling that she's not good enough. I was hoping she'd be upping her "intellectual ante" over this past year, but she still keeps using cliches and talking points during interviews (see Bill O'Reilly's recent interview). She also does not articulate conservatism as well as it should be – I know this is sacrilege on this site, but it's what I think. I really like her personally, but she needs to grow before she is presidential material. Look at the founding fathers – these guys were intellectual giants. We deserve no less, and we need no less. I'm still waiting for someone better. DeMint and Pence keep drawing my eye…
I like Sarah Palin a lot, but I have had this sinking feeling that she's not good enough to lead this movement. I was hoping she'd be upping her "intellectual ante" over this past year, but she still keeps using cliches and talking points during interviews (see Bill O'Reilly's recent interview). She also does not articulate conservatism as well as it should be – I know this is sacrilege on this site, but it's what I think. I really like her personally, but she needs to grow before she is presidential material. Look at the founding fathers – these guys were intellectual giants. We deserve no less, and we need no less. I'm still waiting for someone better. DeMint and Pence keep drawing my eye…
Your original point in this thread was that the Bush tax cuts didn't cause deficits. Your second point here seems to be that GDP rose after the tax cuts went into effect, thus they could not have caused the Bush era deficits. You have done a nice job at conflating two separate issues so I will try and better explain my point.
Tax cuts are nothing more that short term economic stimulus. They did indeed stimulate the economy for three years and revenues rose as a result. We were told that the additional revenue generated by the tax cuts would pay for itself, but it didn't. Spending was expanded on new programs like Medicare part D and two wars. So in a sense, the tax cuts created the deficit when Bush decided not to cut spending.
The other thing is you have exaggerated your numbers to make your point seem more dramatic that it really is. Your top number is right if you are talking about nominal GDP (not adjusted for inflation) because that is the only number that has hit $14 trillion. But nominal GDP has not been at $9 trillion since 1999 ($9.2 trillion). By the beginning of 2003 is was $10.9 trillion, that's almost a two trillion dollar difference. Even if you use real GDP numbers for 03 you can't get to 9. It's hard to read this gov chart, but it looks like it stood just a tad over $10 trillion in 2003.
To make it even worse, GDP numbers were inflated by the housing bubble. Much of the economic growth during that period came from spending money by people refinancing their homes and taking money out for other things… the same money that evaporated in 2008 and turned into debt. There was a $ trillion from buying and selling investment derivatives and the insurance policies that protected them from loss. That money has all evaporated also.
Lou Dobbs put it best, "these two parties are like two wings on the same bird". Throw them both out! As tough as it may be to organize the American people (Tea Party), that is our only hope to return to Constitutional rule. It has been well stated the 'American people do not constitute a strong enough special interest group to have any meaningful effect on Congress, The President or government in general". "WE" the people are currently unrepresented in government as demonstrated clearly by issues such as healthcare, illegal immigration and energy where Americans overwhelmingly are at odds with the wishes of our so called 'representatives'. This just in McFly! They don't care! They have effectively found a way to ignore Americans and get elected and re-elected and there is no consequence for destoying our Republic. We have no choice but to organize all the factions of the Tea Parties, they are the majority of Americans.
No one is perfect and they shouldn't be for they are human, but we still must hold them accountable or they will never learn. As long as she wears the R then she allies with the D and thus not worth supporting.. the parites have stolen my freedom and I want it back.
Until this country learns that our liberty is being stolen one tax, one regulation, one manipulation at a time and all in the name of the public good or is it for government good or is it for party good, we will lose the promise of America.
So citizen politics is a bad idea and why? Because it may allow the conservatism to be cast in a bad light? Get over it. No matter what conservatives do that nutroots will be making it look bad.
Tea Party on!!
Independent swing voters will select the next president as they always do. But you are still going to have to choose between an R or a D. Teabaggers who reject the Rs just make the outcome of the election more certain for the Ds. There have only been a couple of third party candidates win any electoral votes in this century, and they only served to deny one of the major parties the White House. The two that jump to mind are Teddy Roosevelt clearing the way for Woodrow Wilson and George Wallace ensuring a victory for Richard Nixon in a close race.
Ross Perot didn't win any electoral votes but did ensure two terms for Clinton. And Ralph Nadar threw Florida and the 2000 election to Bush. So the teabag movement will tend to be more spoilers than serious independent challengers.
correctomundo indeed h. tuttle, if only Ms Palin could run under a platform of Modified Conservative rather than republican, we need to rid ourselves of the republican moniker & stick with an Americans for American values group. the true history of my country needs to be taught in primary schools in place of things like sex ed & mikey has two dads etc…history is the one most important subject for schooling, right up there with the old 3 r's.
Teabaggers are a right wing fringe movement and are unlikely to unite anyone but the the true believers. Their unwillingness to compromise is what ensures they will remain on the fringe.
There is nothing we can do about the administration in power, only Congress has this power but we can vote this coming November and it will be very ugly. We must be very aware of the up coming promises the left will be screaming at us this coming year. With little emotion show the videos from 2009. Hold their feet to the fires of the truth and vote, please vote.
"Without question powerful change needs a leader"
Bull crap! Have you forgotten the French Revolution?
I do agree, however, that the Tea Party movement works better by reminding Republicans that "Democrat lite" is NOT the way to go.
Drain the Swamp! (but that means Washington D.C. – since it was a Swamp Prior to Jefferson occupying the WH)
"He who controls the media, controls (wins) the fight." Joseph Stain.
If the progressives (National Socialists) control media, they WILL win…
No one is perfect and they shouldn't be for they are human, but we still must hold them accountable or they will never learn. As long as she wears the R then she allies with the D and thus not worth supporting.. the parites have stolen my freedom and I want it back.
Because there are people in opposing political parties that share some of your same beliefs and principles, are your beliefs and principles then compromised? Does that somehow make you suspect?
I believe Palin to be the best hope, either directly or indirectly, for returning this country to its founding principles. I regret I lack the skill to persuade you to at least withhold your condemnation.
Until this country learns that our liberty is being stolen one tax, one regulation, one manipulation at a time and all in the name of the public good or is it for government good or is it for party good, we will lose the promise of America.
On this I, and I think 99% of everyone posting here, agree with you. What we haven't yet figured out is the best route to go to thwart this incremental destroying of America. In theory, as you advocate, a complete flushing is the ideal solution. In reality, it won't happen, because sadly we as humans invariably put our own selfish interests first. And that is what the left is counting on.
I do thank you for being a good debater.. Too many just want to hate and push people away.. I also post on lib sites, in the hopes to change peoples minds there.. My goal is freedom and we might never achieve what we once had, but we won’t if no one tries.. Your debate here has helped me refine my message there in the hopes I can change a mind of a democrat there. Palin is not loved there so if I change the debate from hate to some sort of logic and I think I can you will be at least ready to defend. The biggest problem this push for freedom has is the refusal to debate and people go straight to the name calling and hate. It is the tactic of the left to hate, but if we ignore the hate and keep debating, for it is not their mind we chose to change but people reading our words.
Not only would a binding pledge be bad policy, it could be unconstitutional, as no congress can pass a law that ties the hands of a future congress. They can create obligations for the future, but they can't legislate how future government will manage those obligations.
The reason it is bad policy is none of us know what is going to happen in the future. We could pledge to balance the budget in five years, and then get hit by an asteroid or attacked by China. And if you are going to draw up a pledge with a lot of exceptions, why bother…
We should save the pledges for the flag and pledge commitments for our spouses.
I hope you will let us keep some of the cool stuff, like the internet and safe drinking water. And I really like my Beretta pistols. As much fun as it is to study history and try and imagine what life was like for our ancestors, the future is where the real action is.
If history teaches us anything it's you can't go back. And the few instances where the clock was turned back by wars and plague, it was bad… very bad.
We agree that students are indeed misinformed by textbooks and teachers. But more by what is left out than what they are taught… especially history. And most kids don't get a lot of information about Marx, or politics in general until they get to college.
American students get plenty of instruction on god. We are the most religious society in the world and more that half of us believe the literal story in the bible about a talking snake. If we made our grade schools teach religion there would be no time left for math and science, the kind of things those godless Chinamen are studying while we argue about who's the best Christian.
Is Gen. Petraeus a teabagger? I had no idea…
I did hear him say in a television interview that he was not interested in a future in politics.
I would be willing to bet there were precious few blacks at a teabagger rally… or people of any color other than white.
My, aren't you one nasty person.
First of all check out a group I joined called "Oath Keepers." Secondly, I'm not sold on Palin simply because she's like obama in the sense that she stirs up the other side. Sadly, our side will lose in 2012 unless we come up with a viable candidate who can reach out to middle of the road voters. I'm a proud right winger, very right, but Palin just doesn't have it, sorry. Liberal zombies are destroying themselves right now…look at Ben Nelson. We'll win back seats in 2010 but defeating obama, acorn and the zombies is going to be next to impossible. Ask Bush Jr. and Clinton that…they won 2nd terms when things looked bleak for both of them. God bless America before it becomes too dark like a third world nation. Wake up people.
You have hit on one of the distinctions between liberals and conservatives. It would never even occur to me to insinuate that citizens with different political beliefs are less American than myself. While I don't approve of the conservative agenda, I have no doubt that they are sincere, and that they love their country as much as I do.
I have to believe our brains are wired differently.
You tried that and only 10,000 people showed up. Now Glenn Beck eventually claimed a half million, but grid shots used by the DC authorities to estimate crowd size pegged it at 10 grand.
You hit that nail on the head. He reminds me of Ross Perot's running mate… Adm. Stockdale, a good guy but no ability to connect with a crowd of people.
you know a Liberal is scared out of their wits when they start talking like they are on top of the world. It's in their nature to brag in order to hide their inadequacies. The more they crow the more frightened they are. They are so afraid of the Tea Party movement that they invent the silliest reasons why it's the Tea Party patriots who should be frightened. It's the only way they can console themselves. In order for them to feel good, it is necessary for them to make others feel bad. Their foolishness can be disregarded without worry. Actually it's the best sign that the Tea Party movement is successful!
I'm just a concerned citizen..
Perhaps you could get behind campaign finance reform….
When did you forfeit your right to vote? Our military swears an oath to the Constitution, not Barack Obama, and are bound only to support "lawful orders". This is the kind of talk that marginalizes your movement.
If anger and outrage ever solved anything abortion would have been outlawed long ago.
I agree Marco. From what my friends who are currently in the Military tell me, they are going to uphold the OATH they took to uphold the CONSTITUTION and only obey LAWFUL orders.
I heard Jim DeMint on the TV machine (in hi def) criticizing the president for not filling the leadership post at the department of transportation in the wake of the Christmas bomber. The next day they reported that the nomination of the guy Obama has chosen has had a hold on it in the senate for weeks. Guess who put the hold on it?
The nominee is not being held up because he is unqualified, it's because DeMint is afraid he wants to unionize airport screeners.
It is any senator's right to hold up any nomination he wants, for any reason he wants. But don't stand on a guy while you criticize him for not getting up.
This movement is bought and paid for by the insurance and fossil fuel industries and marketed by Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity, who are also well compensated. It is a fringe movement of angry wingers who are being used to line the pockets of the corporations.
You mean well, but you are being played.
And I will cancel out your vote on each issue… and then I'll mock you for being a stooge for the insurance and fossil fuel industry.
I hope all of you will send your money to Sarahpac… bag on my brother!
Trust me lady, you are no independent.
Right on with your words about liberals aahzy–progressives all say the same old tired things…on all blogs, shows how brainwashed they really are.
I like Jim Demint, he is against unions taking over the TSA….the unions will guide the workers into a strike for any reason and we don't need the TSA to go on strike just when they are needed more than ever.
Lacking, try slowing down and actually READING what barbarian is saying. He is NOT advocating a third party, he is advocating REGISTERING as an Independent and forcing the people running for office to COURT YOUR VOTE instead of just marking the little icon at the top of the ballot. I happen to agree with Barbarian on almost all of his points and i have already moved to the Independent registration for JUSt that reason. while I do not agree with him that Mrs Palin is a "rock star" I so agree that she could be seen as such by people who refuse to actually do a little homework before they vote.
I think grass roots politics is a fine idea, but don't show up at a political rally dripping in tea bags, carrying Nazi signs and blame the media for making you look bad.
Bag on brother Al…
See that never works for you because issues are hard work. Much easier to dress up in tea bags and shout people down. If the election turns on issues, we will win. See ya on the TV machine…
If its not dead why were its feet nailed to the perch?!?!?
ahh… project much? I'm here to encourage my brother and sister bagers to get out there and show us how angry you are. And don't let those Rinos trick you into voting for candidates who aren't ideologically pure, just to win an election.
Given the choice, I like the position Dems are in today way more than four years ago. The worm has turned.
You can be concerned without being nasty. Thoughtful comments which speak to the issues go a lot further than calling people derogatory sex act names and "emotion driven whack jobs". Conservatives hold a 44% lead over 26% who consider themselves liberal, so certainly not a fringe movement. We do hold the majority position, and the reason is based on our common sense, not emotion. We understand that this out of control federal spending, dangerously high national debt, and the unprecedented power grab by the Federal government will be our undoing as a Nation. Our founding fathers knew the dangers of government and each word chosen in the writing of the U.S. Constitution was put there to PROTECT it's citizens. It is being trampled upon by the Federal government and that concerns us greatly. So, no, we are not driven by emotion, but by the words set forth in both the Declaration of Independence and in the Constitution of the United States. I would suggest you read both and then honestly rethink your statement that we "demand vague, often strange political concessions". Happy New Year!
Sorry to say it Rue, but that is just too much like royalty for me…. Just another of the family replacing the last family member. No thank you. He might be the greatest thing since sliced bread and floating soap, but I want a person NOT beholding to the same ole' same ole'… As unlikely as that might be.
LOL I agree! I honestly think that ACORN and their ilk have only dealt with inner city types and have NO clue what will happen if they want to get nasty out here in the real world! As a farm raised Okie, I actually relish one of them trying to stop ME from voting!
Joan you are correct in that Party Repubs ARE unfixable. However taking over the BRAND of the republican party IS doable if is what needs to be done in order to get Conservatives back in office leading by the Constitution. Whether or not it happens is of course up to the people.
I actually slightly misquoted the numbers. The real numbers are 40% Conservative, 21% Liberal.
Sorry to have to say it mikatollah, but you are incorrect. History is NOT open to interpretation, History is HISTORY. Based on fact. The New Deal was the first time Progressives got into national policy and that is a fact. Not any other cause. Every single policy and department set up by the New Deal COULD be turned back if America wanted it to be. Sadly there are more people sucking at the teat of government than are making the milk now. Every single Conservative principal that has been allowed to work HAS WORKED, right up to the point that some government control or panel started screwing with it. You can twist anything you like but reading Zinn won't make it so.
I have to disagree with the article, not to be a contrarian. I think the pea partiers are genuinely OUTRAGED at the horrors perpetrated by our government. I dont think this outrage is going away anytime soon. I think it is a good thing that the tea party movement is loosely organized, like a hive of angry bees, it will prove difficult for the machine to crush the whole hive. I think many are aware at the tactics that the government uses to crush dissent, IE use if the tax code and IRS to punish those whom it deems a threat. I think its a very good strategy for the Tea party movement to try and use this loose organization to its benefit. Can anyone imagine what kind of enema the media would give to a "leader" of this party?
It would not be pretty. Any time we can keep the government media complex at bay, and keep the people in DC uncomfortable. Anonymity is a good thing, we are actually in a fight with a growing machine that has the might of the military and millions if not billions at its disposal.
I agree for once with you mik. You are certainly wired differently than any conservative i have known. Oh and by the way? The term is Tea Party not "teabagger". That is nothing but an insult and marginalizes you every time you use it.
You pegged it Rufus! I said it before and will again. Start at HOME! Get involved with your local school board, city and county officials, State officials and work UP!
May I suggest an alternative to you? Put her in place of Steele as the head of the RNC. She has the charisma and would be outside of the elected offices.
I like Sarah Palin but I would vote for Jim Demint for President
**quiet applause!!**
40% Conservatives, 21% Liberal. Who's cleaning whose clock?
Like any organization, change begins at the bottom. Those who will be elected or re-elected this fall will be the ones who who will play a major role in defining the Congressional Districts for 2012. Congress has no say in how the districts are defined for the next 10 years it is your State Legislature who has that responsibility. Therefore, work to get more conservatives elected to your Legislature in the upcoming 2010 election! Also, be involved in your local County Republican Executive Committee. Make it more Conservative. Those on that County REC elect state Pary Chairman and National Committee Members who in turn chose the national chairman of the Republican Party – it is that person who sets the tone and gives direction to the national party. It begins with you at the local level!
I have been involved in Republican politics for over two decades. I am a Constitutional Conservative. And I always advise friends and family members to NEVER donate to the RNC unless you want to. Donate directly to the candidate you support – whether it is at the local, state or federal level. That way, you decide where the money goes and who gets it. Change begins with you!
Like most folks, I tend to blog with a broad brush. I know that all Conservatives are not whack jobs. Sadly, the ones who squeak the loudest get the most attention and color the entire group.
I promise you I am a big fan of our Constitution… and in fact, I'll get it out this evening and read it again before I ring in the new year.
Happy New Year to you too.
Well, technically you are not a "party". And when folks started showing up at right wing political rallies with teabags hanging from their headgear, you got a new name. When I heard about the sexual connection I was pretty amused. Even now when I think of teabaggers, I think of the news pictures of the rally goers. But apparently, the teabaggers imagines some nasty sex act. So I'm not sure that I'm the perv here.
We are not going to like all the labels our rivals assign to us. I don't like it anytime someone says "Democrat Party". And I think less of people who do it. But what are we going to do?
It's always refreshing to see a Liberal who knows what he is and isn't afraid to own up to it. How long have you been of the Vermicule persuasion?
aahzy
You got a reply. You must have twanged a real sore nerve there. That liberal was so agitated he missed a key. They really are worried about the Tea Party movement. Almost as much as the Republicans.
The actual scorecard is Dems 60, Reps 40, with a 40 seat advantage in the house. Polls change every day, but you get to live with this reality for at least another year.
And it is going to be a good year for libs.
I have even more news for you sir. I am not affiliated with any party. So making the claim that I am a part of the Tea Party is yet another mis-statement of your own making. To further attempt to enlighten you the term "teabagger/teabagging" IS about a sexual act and was first used about the Tea Party by a commentator on a national news show. He was showing his contempt, as you are, and ever since then the term has been misused by the liberals in order to be derisive. As far as myself and what I am going to "do" about people who wish to assign labels to me? I will simply remember that you are what you are and "listen" to your comments accordingly. Have a lovely day!
I like you aah… you made me learn a new word. Thanks for that!
I trace my liberal roots back to 1984 when I changed political parties, held my nose and voted for a Democrat for the first time. It was hard at first but got easier over the years. To a point where now I'm just a screaming lib. I've got 4 grown liberal larva of my own now. Well, three out of four. The oldest sent me pictures of her and her mom at a Sarah Palin rally. So she has been seduced by the dark side. But I'm no fool… she's the one I trust with my living will! (he joked).
Hey doc, you have some cream that will sooth a raw liberal nerve? It's like a rash that keep spreading and itching and the only way you can scratch it is by tweaking the angry right. Is there a rehab for guys like me?
I was not speaking of the Dem/Rep make-up of the House. I was speaking of political ideology. I am not a fan of the vast majority of our elected officials. This IS the whole point of the Conservative Movement, we want our elected officials to represent our core values which the majority of Americans share. You need to be intellectually honest during a debate, you can't compare oranges when the discussion is about apples. Libs are not doing well in the early polling. As to 2010…we'll see, my friend.
My contempt for the ideology for teabaggers is hardly a secret here so guilty as charged.
That being said, some of the people here are pretty cool… even you.
Your point is taken… well said.
You better get that tin foil hat out fella. Maybe tie up the strings on that hospital gown too, might be catching a draft perhaps?
All the above now having been said…..give us good creative, ethical, fiscally responsible people to vote for in 2010…then I will proudly vote….Happy New Year to all.
Yes, it's time to put a stake through the heart of both old-think parties and light the fire of a new party of freedom.
nice post…I would only suggest that you change "economics" to fiscal responsibility then I'm with you all the way….and maybe add "ethical accountability" if you so choose.
Another problem with a lot of "conservatives" is that when government largess fits their needs it's ok yet when it fits the liberals needs it's wrong. Politicians are not principle based, and waiver depending on who is in charge and what's at stake. This confuses people.
Conservatives love their medicare and social security yet these are prime examples of government at its worst.
Conservatives love locking lots of non violent people up in prison and the war on drugs. This is another failed policy that just perpetuates the tax feeders that work in the court system, police departments, and prisons.
Conservatives in some states dislike welfare yet farm subsidies are necessary.
On and on, with no consistency to the message.
I'll take you as conceeding my first point. They did indeed stimulate the economy for three years and revenues rose as a result. (Of course you left out an important consideration. The initial deficits that GWB sufferred were due to the bursting of the Dot.com bubble, which started in March 2000 and saw NASDAQ fall from 5000 to around 2000 when Bush took office. The ensuing Bear market, which lasted to 2003 led to decreased tax receipts and had nothing to do with Bush policies.)
Now, I'll happily concede the second point. Here is a reference: http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=us&v=65
to CIA factbook numbers which show GDP measured against "purchasing power parity" So, if it somehow alleviates your pain, I'll concede GDP increased from 9.2 trillion in 2000 to 13.1 trillion in 2007. (That increase in GDP is right around the size of the entire economy of China)
Finally, GDP measures the output of Good and Services, not asset values. I've never heard of anyone re-adusting it fror that reason. Perhaps, you are conflating two separate issues.
You teabaggers better get on the stick… Some new laws that take affect on January 1st include a NC law that prohibits indoor public smoking. And CA is outlawing trans fats in donuts. Aren't those the basic food groups of a teabagger? Liberals are cleaning your clock, and someday soon your are going to be sitting there smoking your nicotine free cig and munching on a fat free donut and wondering why they are towing your gasoline powered SUV away.
Compare the anti War Bush losers who use their faked concern for soldiers as a reason to protest and try to destroy US property against those who took to the streets to voice their concern for whats happening since BO took office. You are offended by what I say but I stand by it. From code pink to whatever anti US group showed up, the tea party people are MORE REAL than thos pieces of sh it that showed up in DC to protest Bush and the war.
Thank you, barbarian.
Your arguments are interesting and thought-provoking. I hope I can have provided you with a few rounds of ammo. Hard to find a reasoned and thoughtful debate that doesn't degenerate into personal attack, insult and invective. Maybe we will get to 'cross swords' again.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Keep saying what you think Michelle! Its NEVER sacrilege to be honest to yourself! I may disagree with other peoples views, but as long as those views are THEIR OWN and not just pap spewed out as talking points or insults hurled out of blind ideology I welcome every one!
May your New year be better than old. We probably agree on 90% of things, but feel free tell me where I am wrong, It is how we all learn. Good fortunes to you and yours. Just be wary of politicians bearing gifts.
Michelle, I dislike saying this (maybe because I feel traitorous) but I agree with you 100%. She is an attractive candidate that draws people. She is fresh and, dare I say "clean" (politically). But I wish she had more depth. I'm terrified that beneath the gloss and veneer, there won't be anything there. But, if she's real then maybe I would prefer her to Gingrich. He's bright, has all of the answers, might be the best out there, but I don't trust him. Maybe Pawlenty?
What I'm afraid of is that we're wasting time on the wrong candidates (or potential candidates).
Does this make any sense?
Michelle, maybe a dream ticket: Petraeus & Palin?
Me either….bring on something new…
The thing that most folks are NOT thinking about right now – and should be! – is "WHO IS GOING TO RUN?" They are not getting involved in their precincts and county Republican Party organizational and nomination meetings, and are not prepared to put up viable challengers to the Democrats. They will fall for the same Neo-conservative crap that lost them the last election, because the people that nominated the previous Neo-Cons are the same ones who are still in charge of the precinct and county parties. 2010 will result in a serious sucking sound at the polls unless people get involved in their local party organizations RIGHT NOW and put up real, viable, electable challengers to the Dems. NO ONE ELSE will do this work for YOU.
In other words, you can talk about a "third party" all you want, but the real truth of the matter is that people WILL NOT rally behind third party candidates, no matter how good they are. They will vote for a comfortabl