Harry Reid Wants to Vote on a Phantom Bill (Dem Dirty Tricks Edition)
by Warner Todd HustonEither Thursday or later this week, Senate Democrat Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev) wants the Senate to vote on a “motion to proceed” on the Senate’s version of the healthcare bill. That wouldn’t be so bad except for the fact that it has barely been seen by anyone in the Senate. At least not as far as most Senators are concerned. Why is that? Because the bill has not been shown to them with sufficient time to study it, that’s why.
What Reid wants is for the Senate to vote to proceed on a bill that has not been seen, not read, not studied by the very Senators from whom he wants to force a vote. If this bill is so important, why isn’t it imperative that our Senators actually get to see the thing they are expected to vote on?
And that isn’t the worst of the unconscionable dirty tricks that Reid is playing with this “important” legislation. He’s also planning on a bait and switch tactic once he gets his vote to proceed.
News is that Reid wants to use a Senate procedure where a bill can be swapped out with another on the floor. He wants to bring an unassociated bill to the floor and once it gets there he wants to swap that bill out with the healthcare bill. In other words, he wants to bring a fake bill to the floor and pull a bait-and-switch act to suddenly plop before the Senate the heretofore unseen healthcare bill. Then he wants to force a quick vote.
Alarmingly, Reid is making an effort to eliminate any time for Senators to see what is in this economy killing, liberty slaying, big government leviathan before a vote is forced down their throats.
If this bill was a legitimate bill would all of these dirty tricks be necessary? Further, if this bill had such wide acceptance and agreement among Congress and the people alike, why are Democrats afraid to let everyone see the bill?
Reid isn’t a fool, though. He knows that once America gets to see what is in this mess it will become nearly impossible to pass this thing. Naturally, that is why he is trying to eliminate any possibility that anyone might get a glimpse of what is in the bill before it is passed.
The fact is, though, if Reid cannot get his 60-vote “motion to proceed” his sly maneuvers will be stymied for now. So, call your Senators and tell them where you stand on these underhanded tactics, won’t you? Tell them not to vote to proceed until they’ve at least gotten a chance to see this mysterious, invisible healthcare bill.
Lastly, one wonders why the most “transparent” president in history is allowing the Congress to continue day in and day out to press votes on legislation no one has ever seen on bills that haven’t been written? What ever happened to the hoary days of campaigning when Obama kept promising that we’d all get 5 days to see a bill before a vote?
How times change.
Note: As of today, the bill has been posted online so that we can see it. But Reid wants to vote on the motion to proceed tomorrow or Friday. This is hardly the 72 hours timeline that transparency advocates have pressed for, nor is it anywhere close to the five days that President Obama promised us all.
You can see the bill at http://www.scribd.com/doc/22734971/Senate-Democrats-Health-Care-Reform-Bill.
Email this to a friend | Print |
Share on Facebook
| Tweet this
| 
Follow Us on Twitter
Subscribe via RSS
Got a Tip?
74 Comments
Heck, we aren't allowed to see it before they vote on it, the next natural progression along those lines is…
The "representatives" don't get to see it before they vote on it. Lets just call it what it is and just start sending blank papers to the white house for the president's signature, he can decide what the bill will be when he needs it.
The democrat party is a crime syndicate. Anyone who hasn't come to this realization deserves to get screwed by these liberal cretins.
NV, do America a favor, kick this useless piece of trash to the curb.
There's a name for nations that behave like this: Banana Republic.
[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Mark Scott and DRIP USA, AZ grassroots. AZ grassroots said: Harry Reid Wants to Vote on a Phantom Bill (Dem Dirty Tricks Edition) http://bit.ly/3xIObx #dripusa #ocra #tcot [...]
Sure is great to see his happy mug up there in the article.
Social comments and analytics for this post…
This post was mentioned on Twitter by DRIPusa: Harry Reid Wants to Vote on a Phantom Bill (Dem Dirty Tricks Edition): Either Thursday or lat.. http://bit.ly/3xIObx
#tcot #ocra #tlot…
It is unconscionable and uc-Constitutional what this criminal band of thugs is doing to the American People.
Shove it down our throats in 2009.
WE'll shove it up your ass in 2010.
Unfortunately, at this point all we can do is take note of every scumbag that votes for this, vote them out in 2010, and then repeal as much as possible.
Pitchforks, If the "Deliberative Senate" votes on Friday on this bill. PITCHFORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't forget the torches; I'll bring the rope.
Is this what is known as "abuse of power"?
I will bring the tar and feathers.
[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Big Government, Big Government. Big Government said: Harry Reid Wants to Vote on a Phantom Bill (Dem Dirty Tricks Edition): Either Thursday or later this week, Sena.. http://bit.ly/3O4Tdo [...]
When is enough enough? What can the American people do to stop this short of a civil war? THIS IS CRAZY! 75% OF THE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT NATIONAL HEALTHCARE!
Thank you Cowboy. You just gave me the most amazing mental picture ever! I am assuming vaseline will not be available since we have not had access to it.
Civil War?
We are involved in several wars of ideology, on several fronts. A war for the hearts and minds of America, for its very soul, and an ideological war with Islamofascist fanatics. We are losing on all fronts.
I have the wooden stakes. These fools are totally out of control. We can stop them but it takes more than blogs. Be sure you support at least one good conservative with a donation. What ever you can afford. And then make sure you VOTE in EVERY election from now till 2012, and beyond. God bless America.
Come on Nevada …tighten up, and fire that mut!
These guy's are traitors to my country and the Constitution. They should be hung but no, social tolerance is the big thing now. We must stop this socialist crap and also the invasion of Muslims. That's right. You kill innocent Americans then you are on my list.
I do not think vaseline will be covered under Health Care; but I'm sure that Viagra and abortion will be. I am not sure if we are guaranteed free mental health counselling, but at this stage of the game, I'd be interested in a gift certificate for free shock treatments for Christmas………..
Personally, I have made a decision to support five candidates in each state, and will write each of them a check for $9.12. Plus I intend to support the candidates in my state for the maximum. Now then, all we need to do is find the decent candidates………..
I sit and wonder at times how human beings can devolve in to such scum as Harry Reid. I know he knows the bill is crap. Anyone with half a brain knows it ir crap. But he is willing to destroy our health care system and cause future deaths of people's loved ones for politics. Is this not treason? Is this not an offense that deserves a firing squad? This is the lowest I have ever seen our country go in my life and I have been watching politics for a long long time. Unless we take action as the WW11 generation did against the Nazis we are doomed. These aholes in DC are the greatest threat to our country ever.
one good conservative with a donation
And what good is this going to do? We had the so called "Conservatives" in power for years and all they did is grovel and bend over and take it from the Marxists and lamestream media. We are beyond the "next election" crap. The corruption is so deep they only way is to cut it all out and burn it. But it is sad to see everyone getting giddy about the last election and what "may" happen in 2010. Odumbo will already have done so much damage by then it will be to kate.
2000 + pages … like Glenn says = The Constitution is 11 pages … see what happens when lawyers get involved
Elvis,
Words mean things.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1644...
very good cl
The Constitution is 11 pages.
The Table of Contents of this Bill is 14 pages………..
Maybe Holder should put Harry and Nancy on trial with the other terrorists who hate the United States !!!.
rikr,
If you liked that one, you might like this one:
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/...
Move along, nothing to see here. That's how Reid is treating the entire bill. Vote on it before the contents become public knowledge.
Excuse me but didn't I just hear Obama say we have to avoid incurring more debt for fear of a double recession? WTF?
Remember: Tampons and Toothbrushes are Medical Devices!! Here is the "hidden" tax on the Middle Class. It is time for more TEA Parties and Tampon Parties!!
is it just me or does Harry Reid look like one of those old crack pots you see in early '50s news reels explaining why nuking North Korea is Gods Will.
we gonna try lol
The Conservative Edge
It would appear that the real terrorists do their dirty work in Washington. I only hope we can all send the arrogant, wrinkly, bitter old Harry and his other Marxist friends in politics a message next November by sending them home to wallow in their sorrows. The dumb asses will sit at home sucking off the government retirement teat, wondering what happened. My new motto is: SEND A MESSAGE TO OBAMA – SEND HIS CRONIES HOME
You are going to need an executive that will sign a bill repealing this. This won't happen after 2010.
We need to be sure the Senate does not pass this crap now.
CALL.
[...] Government: Harry Reid Wants to Vote on a Phantom Bill by Warner Todd [...]
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure"–Thomas Jefferson
Is there no conscience left in the Senate ? They lack the moral fortitude to be honest with the people of this country. To JAM this bill doen the throats of Senators much less the citizens is CRIMINAL ! Less talk, folks…
Get on the horn to your Senators and threaten them with their re-election. This is our last chance to stem Marxism and Socialism. Your freedoms are about to be expunged forever. Judge Napoloitano has it right. If you remember
the country of a few decades ago you will understand the loss for your children ! CALL THEM TODAY !
Yes this is what the founding fathers were worried about.
Taxation without representation is tyranny. These men believe themselves to be kings and to be untouchable.
I have been calling for legislation that would require that no bill passed by Congress can be longer than the constitution.
This sounds pretty reasonable to me.
And vote on it before they have time to hear from their constituents.
You understand that, that means they are worried about us.
Call you rep today and call all of the questionable votes as well. That means Ben Nelson, Mary Landrieu, Evan Bayh to start.
CALL.
[...] posted at BigGovernment.com.) ____________ “The only end of writing is to enable the reader better to enjoy life, or [...]
[...] to know what it felt like’ I’m sure it didn’t feel so great on the receiving end Harry Reid Wants to Vote on a Phantom Bill (Dem Dirty Tricks Edition) Senate bill weighs in at 2,074 pages We have a good idea of the boneheads we know won’t read [...]
Just wondering how many Congressmen can Guantanamo hold ?
Hahahaha, oh thats rich!! Excellent question
right on. we need to stop the passage now. remember, those of us who will pay the tax hikes (and most of us will) will have to pay for a few years before any benefits are paid out. even after repeal, its not likely we'll get our money back. this whole thing has me fired up beyond belief.
It is exactly what I would expect from Harry Reid.
And why is there a procedure in place to allow for the bait and switch of bills being voted on anyway?
" This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it. " — Abraham Lincoln
WHY CAN"T WE CALL THE HEALTHCARE BILL BY ITS PROPER NAME SOCIALIZED MEDICINE THE VERY THING THATWE HAVE FOUGHT AGAINST SINCE ITS EXISTENCE MAYBE THEN IT WOULD BE KNOWN IN ITS TRUE FORM WITH NO HIDDEN AGENDA
maybe he thinks a double recession is like a double negative
[...] (Cross posted at BigGovernment.com.) [...]
[...] (Cross posted at BigGovernment.com.) [...]
Harry and Pelosi have both signed on to the Chicago school of governing…"Eff the electorate, we'll do whatever the hell we want to do!"
Go ahead boys and girls, do what you want. Your time is limited and you are all going down like the Titanic.
Arrogance, greed and marxism make Liberals quite an attractive group of animals, dontcha' think?
Dirty Harry is like a scorned old woman. He knows this will be his last term, and he is going to make it as unpleasant for we fellow Americans as he possibly can. He still has 11 more months to do as much damage as he can. What does he care? Probably doesn't pay taxes, has made millions from scammy land deals, has been skimming pork money for decades, and has a pension and benefits for life.
Reid's an IDIOT!
Back his opponent in the 2010 election. Send the Land Deal Cheat HOME!
http://noliberalspin.blogtownhall.com/2009/11/19/...
The Anti Liberal Zone
This isn't the kind of bill you want to repeal. It's too cumbersome by far.
This is the sort of legislation that must be defeated, here and now.
Yet AGAIN I called my Senators. Unfortunately, they are CA Senators. Feinstein's office actually tried to debate and challenge me on the Constitution and Reid's bill. The intern told me that Feinstein was voting for the majority of CA people who want the horrid healthcare bill. I asked him for the poll site so I could go and see this for myself (I specifically asked for a reliable and ethical website). After a great deal of time, he came back with a poll from September '09 that wanted Obamacare. I suggested they get a more up-to-date poll. Needless to say, I did not get the poll site that he was quoting and yet again my call was meaningless.
So there one chance to stop this job and ultimately, people kiiling bill. Dont let these senators who act brave like Sen Liberman but then will allow the "debate" to proceed (and then he will vote against the bill).
The refrian has to be that if you dont vote to fillibuster, then that is the same a voting FOR the bill. The excuse will resonate that: "all i did was allow the debate" (impying that there is nothing wrong with that), or "I thought I could improve the bill with my (and other) silly-go-no-where ammendments.
NO. These so called fence-sitting feckless Senators have to know that you see thru their typical blather. If you vote to allow debate => you vote for this evil-anti-american, anti-people, taxpayer killing bill. Unfortunately, its really as simple as that. NO EXCUSES.
Everyone and anyone that are able to physically be on the steps (and in the doors) of the senate in these coming days – Go! (leave the pitchforks home though) Make it a relay / marathon if need be. I don't know the 'rules' of 'visiting' the senate? But is it possible to have a flow of however many thousands of "We the People" in their offices and in their presence starting now and through this forced vote? They may ignore calls, letters and emails – but can the ignore thousands in person? No permit should be necessary – just a few VERY concerned citizens wanting to speak to Senators. Hopefully a few tens of thousands all at the same time? Just a thought.
Better an honest enemy…
TERM LIMITS! TERM LIMITS! TERM LIMITS!
[...] it appears Reid has another dirty trick up his sleeve. A good old-fashioned bait-and-switch, as described at BigGovernment. Here’s how it works: The Senate moves a totally unrelated bill forward for [...]
Wake up America! Ried is just another low life cumsucking political toad who wants to control your life! Kick him out now before it's too late! He is the problem with this country not the solution! He's a traitor and he's corrupt. investigate his land deals! Wake Up America! he's a part of the anti-American eleite who think because they got elected theri better than everyone else. Put his clown in jail with pelosi and the rest of the Washington trash. Pass the bill fast? why? becasue there are things in there that will steal your freedom and he doesn't want you to see them until its too late. Well gues what, if we chose to throw these jerks out and start over we can! We can just throw away all they have done to enslave us,but we better hurry because if they get full control it will be very difficult to throw off the bonds of tryanny. Tell everyone you know resist! Stand Up and fight back! They refuse to listen to us so we need to fire them NOW! wake Up America!
[...] Harry Reid Wants to Vote on a Phantom Bill (Dem Dirty Tricks Edition) from Big Government by Warner Todd Huston. Reid’s fuzzy math from NYPost: All Sections by By JEFFREY H. ANDERSON [...]
Can we put Holder on trial with them?
Harry Reid is a disgrace!
THIS HORRIBLE HEALTHCARE BILL ASIDE-graduate highschool students will NOT go into a profession ONLY GUARANTEEING THEM AN EXSISTANCE. ALL HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS wages will be cut/contained. That’s how the government runs MEDICARE-they never pay the “full tab,” why will it be any different under SOCIALIZED MEDICINE? YOU CANNOT take the
“free market equation” out of this without this taking place. YOU say so it’s not your job-BUT IT WILL RESULT IN YOUR ACCESSABILITY TO SEE A HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONAL. You cannot ADD 10 or is it 40 MILLION TO the current healthcare system. BY THE WAY-THERE IS NO SHORTAGE of nurse’s, nursing assistants or emt’s(just physically damaged ones) tossed aside by the CURRENT HEALTHCARE SYSTEM.
Understanding Obama's revulsion for the Constitution and for the American people, has anyone thought about the possibility that some sort of "national emergency" requiring the imposition of martial law might result in the suspension of the Constitution and no elections allowed. FOR OUR OWN PROTECTION, OF COURSE.
The New Louisiana Purchase – The $100 Million Health Care Vote
To get Senator (D) Mary Landrieu's vote on the Health Care Bill. Senator (D) Harry Reid crafted a section to speifically benifit Louisiana. http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/11/the-100-...
I always suspected that the only true difference between a Hooker and an Escort is the number of Dollars involved in the transaction. It appears that Mary Landreau is one high-priced Hooker. The only difference between a Hooker and a Politician is that the Hooker is more honest about their profession.
Besides,isn't she the Govenor of Louisana when Katrina struck and wasn't she notable for not doing a whole hell-of-a-lot to get the citizens of Nawlins out of the danger area – along with Ray Nagen?
Hey Citizens of Nevada, Please relieve us of this criminal next year and VOTE HIM OUT!
Randy, you're priceless! "Double negative"… high-five, sir!
[...] Either Thursday or later this week, Senate Democrat Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev) wants the Senate to vote on a “motion to proceed” …Read Original Story: Harry Reid Wants to Vote on a Phantom Bill (Dem Dirty Tricks Edition) – B… [...]
[...] Either Thursday or later this week, Senate Democrat Majority Leader Harry Reid (Nev) wants the Senate to vote on a “motion to proceed” …Read Original Story: Harry Reid Wants to Vote on a Phantom Bill (Dem Dirty Tricks Edition) – B… [...]