Godwin’s Law II: ‘Racism’ Charge Loses Debate
by Tim SlagleWe owe a great favor to Mike Godwin. Those of us who have spent any amount of time arguing nonsense on the Internet are familiar with Godwins Law. Briefly, Godwins Law states: “As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches … given enough time, all discussions —regardless of topic or scope —inevitably wind up being about Hitler and the Nazis.”
The most wonderful aspect of Godwin is that “there is a tradition in many newsgroups, and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically ‘lost’ whatever debate was in progress.”
Now there are exceptions to Godwin, for instance when discussing Jesse James affair with Bombshell McGee, it would be quite difficult to not bring up Nazi references. As a student of Hayek, a personal beef I have, is that sometimes a political argument requires a comparison.
Friedrich A. Hayek believed, the infringements on Liberty caused by programs like National Health Care, or any other central planning, will inevitably lead to a totalitarian government that is indistinguishable from National Socialism, save for the logo on the armbands. However being held to Godwin is a rigorous discipline that forces me to plum the depths of my intellect, for an alternate metaphor when discussing issues with liberals.
I believe that Godwin also applied during the years of the Bush Administration. Their argument was lost when Code Pink and MoveOn started with the BusHitler remarks, and I think images of the current President sporting a Charlie Chaplin moustache should probably be discouraged as well.
But I think we should add another corollary to Godwins Law. I think that if you call your opponent a Racist, you have also lost the argument.
It certainly seems that way. The latest attack on the Tea Parties by the NAACP, seems like a last resort. It reminds me of the old Superman movies where the criminals, having fired all their bullets at the man in steel, resort to throwing their guns. It certainly seems like a desperation move, but in this case it might actually work.
We are not Supermen. Nor are we professional politicians. We’re just a bunch of hard working stiffs trying to make a buck or two, under the worst economy in close to a century. We want a little change in our pockets. and a lot of Change in Washington. Heck we’re not even very good at the White Supremacist stuff.
For all the talk about bigots in the Tea Party, we make a pretty pathetic racist mob. It seems to me that competent racists would be able to reach a racial purity level much closer to 100%, an anti-diversity factor somewhat comparable to the NAACP.
But we’re doing exactly what they expected us to do: stumbling all over, making apologies, and trying to defend ourselves. We look like the person at the party, who accidently makes a borderline remark, then spends the next hour explaining that he really does like black people, and proudly counts several among his friends.
Instead, we all would be much happier if we just ignore the NAACP resolution, declare victory and move on.
Thank you again Mike Godwin.
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Thanks for the article. Progressivism as envisioned by "our" modern Democ-rat Party is neccessarily comparative to radical forms of socialism like policies set forth by the National Socialist German Workers Party.
Now in short order the trolls will decend here and reject the OBVIOUS TRUTH that links modern liberalism/progressivism from Sanger to Alinsky and general 20th century socialist-facism. The Alinsky playbook has dictated PAINTING the OTHER guy with one's own failings.
I say let Shirlee talk as much and as often as she likes. Her mouth can dig a hole faster than a caterpillar backhoe.
Hitler was a RACIST! There, I killed 2 birds with one stone.
*sorry*
George Bush ignored the left's constant barrage on his character and where did that get him? You cannot ignore an accusation. It will grow legs and run!
People are so tired of being called racist just for disagreeing with the leftist agenda that the constant accusations are going to backfire. Witness the rise of Sarah Palin and Nikki Haley, both became more popular and well-known after being savagely attacked and maligned in the media.
People, don't waste time saying "I'm not a racist", simply state your case and say.."Now can you refute anything I said or are you just going to call me a racist?"
What a racist!
/sarc off
"In case anyone still doubts the fact that there was no difference in princple between the fascists and the socialists, consider the following revealing quotations from various infamous Nazis and other fascists:
We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunities for employment and earning a living.
The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and for the good of all. Therefore, we demand:…an end to the power of the financial interests.
We demand profit sharing in big business.
We demand a broad extension of care for the aged.
We demand…the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of the national, state and municipal governments.
http://www.lawrence.edu/sorg/objectivism/socfasc….
"In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education…We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents…
The government must undertake the improvement of public health — by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth.
[We] combat the…materialistic spirit withn[sic] and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of The Common Good Before the Individual Good ."
(Nazi party platform adopted at Munich, February 24, 1920;Der Nationalsozialismus Dokumente 1933-1945, edited by Walther Hofer, Frankfurt am Main: Fischer Bucherei, 1957, pp. 29-31)."
http://www.lawrence.edu/sorg/objectivism/socfasc….
I agree with the article – sometimes comparisons are necessary. And saying something is like Nazism, to me, is just another way of saying something is fascist or statist.
Also, the racism thing is getting old and I don't think the libs know how old just yet.
Hopefully in November they will know.
TeaPartiers are racist like Nazis are tolerant ( of minorities)
Most leftists are just trained parrots that squawk a few words they've been given by their owners. Polly wanna cracker? Oh wait…
You better believe it grew legs and after that,………..
everything that was thrown at Bush stuck to him like white on rice,……….
Hence,…..don't you dare say anything about the BOY,……………
don't even start.
Unfortunately, Bush's lousy speaking abilities and penchant for mangling the language put him at a real disadvantage when it came to verbal combat.
OH come on! You spoiled the ending for me.
This is precious, it's at big journalism, it's Howard Dean calling Fox racist. Um, ah, ah, ah, um, huh, duh, wha.., eh? RACIST. http://bigjournalism.com/fross/2010/07/25/chris-w...
Do you do this just to confuse me?
Of course they don't know it yet, that's why they keep trying to use it. And every time they do, they lose a little more of their support – because more people can see right through it.
So I hope they KEEP using it!!!
"……….I think that if you call your opponent a Racist, you have also lost the argument………"
Who is this person,………???
Is there really a ref out there that determines who wins and who loses the argument,…..??????
and he makes his decisions objectively,………..???????
WIN the Senate and the House,………and,…..
the arguments will no longer matter.
What Breitbart has done is set a hair trigger at the White House, sheer hysterics ensued, it was…amazing! When you stop and think about this whole affair for a minute, a blog (the BIGs) have essentially altered the, day to day, for a White House…any White House, for that matter…awesome. It makes me happy to think, that the assholes in the White House, and Washington in general, pay attention when something comes from a conservative blog. Let us remember, the administration had this bigoted woman fired before Glenn Beck at 5:00 PM ET, of which, no one demanded her firing, that’s on Barry! Though this whole event was a mess, that’s undeniable, but! …it was also quite instructive, actions tell you many things that the mouth will not…the BIGs, and the rest of the conservative blogosphere are relevant, Rock-N-Roll! That’s what it’s all about.
The reason liberals (really Modern Liberals/Progressives) go down to racism is because they have nothing else to add.
Since their belief system is based on making everything "equal" rather than how normal people base their lives (making things better), they literally have no where else to go. Normal people (more Conservative) are working to make things better. Making things better and success are hate crimes to these liberals.
If EVERYONE in America is a known racist, than it's the pot calling the kettle black…or
I'm rubber and you're glue….sticks and stones …something like that…
If the fool saying it is ridiculed and laughed at, the effect is minimized…
But didn't Bush greatly expand the Medicare Entitlement program (Big Pharma benefit program AKA the Senior Drug Benefit program) paving the way to national healthcare? Strange how selective you are. What if Obama had apologized to China after China forced down one of our planes – ooops, that was Bush, too. Funny how rarely that gets mentioned.
I known for a long time that when someone calls me a racist or some other name, it's because they're losing the argument. Verbal combat is a skill that for most of us has to be practiced. One of the most effective ways I've found to wage it is to ask pointed questions in front of a group and let them answer. It's like handing them a shovel.
A great victory of mine came recently at a social gathering where the topic of man caused global warming came up. My opponent gave the usual blather of of how 99% of scientists agree, etc. Knowing something of the background of some of the so called scientists in on the scam, I simply asked him what makes a scientist a scientist? "Do you get a license from the DMV proving you're a scientist? Do you go to scientist school? Do you have to be born of at least one scientist parent? What defines a scientist? Why am I not a scientist? After that last one his head exploded for all to see and the name calling (troglodyte) began. His wife was very embarrassed and chewed him out for his bad manners.
I believe the true winner in any debate is the one who changed the most minds or at least opens up the most folks to thinking differently about a topic. It isn't just about changing the mind of those you are debating, it's what the audience comes away thinking about the exchange that they witnessed. Sometimes winning is just getting the other side to show how contemptible, arrogant, mean, vitriolic, and downright nasty they really are.
Footnote: Probably a bit sinister but after that I've always enjoyed being extra nice to his wife any time I thought he might witness me doing so.
So you're defense is "Bush did it too." I guess that makes it ok.
Barack Obama is George Bush's fault.
Cool but, "Godwin's Law" doesn't apply to Lie-berals/Progressives/Socialists/Marxists, and the vast left wing race baiting NAACP/Journolists!
I think the China incident was handled poorly but I don't remember him apologizing. Can you site the verbiage for me please? Thank you.
The trolls just came back from a Convention in Vegas, where they kissed Harry Reid's feet. So they're ready to spew their Fascist Lies.
still blond or fully awake,,,,,,,,,,,dang I was dozing while reading till I had to wake up to think about that 1.
Now I'm just aggravated,
Certainly, lacking any concrete evidence to present, the instinct to introduce race into an argument is symptomatic of intellectual bankruptcy.
Racism is a serious offense. It ends careers. It creates social outcasts. It ruins relationships. It destroys trust and credibility.
So, naturally, accusing someone of racism is a serious charge. It must be accompanied by more than insinuation. It must contain legitimate context. It must include factual and incontrovertible evidence.
Lacking these requirements, it can not be reasonably, honestly or legitimately introduced into an argument. If one fails to properly vet its introduction; one has chosen to assume a stance of intellectual fraud, emptiness and….bankruptcy.
.
If an argument is intellectually bankrupt, by definition, the individual(s) who introduced the empty point into the argument have no intellectual currency.
The best analogy I can think of is:
Normal Thinker : "An idiot says what?"
NAACP: "what?"
You sir are correct in your assessment, geee what dweeb in a cubicle is reading this as I type? he he he
That doesn't mean its right. Also the jump Bush made isn't even close to the massive jump Obama made.
Yes there is an old saying "If liberals push us toward socialism at 100% conservatism pushes us at 50%."
It's racist to allow Sanctuary Citie's Governors and Mayors to keep aiding and abetting Illegal Criminals to stay in America.
Excellent tactic. I employed something similar a number of years ago at a company picnic. I ingratiated myself with a fellow employee's wife by discussing plants and organic gardening and such. We talked about natural medicine and recycling, composting, alternatives to pesticides and weed killers -you get the idea. I was careful to be just a little contentious, while at the same time being honest, and then the 'debate' happened a few hours later. She knew I had set him up, but she also knew I had been honest. He was a little rankled for a few days, but we are all still friends. They are still 'true believers', but will not engage me in any political or policy debates to this day. It is sometimes beneficial to the party that loses, if they learn the lesson that they certainly don't know it all, and that intelligent, reasonable and well informed people are out there, and will take their egotism down a notch from time to time.
Do as I say, not as I do. That's the Progressive way! I've been called racist because I did not agree with President Obama's agenda. Here's how that one went:
Guy: You're a racist because you haven't liked one single thing Obama has done!!! You don't want a black man in the White House do you?!?!?!
Me: NO, he just plain sucks! Black, white, whatever; he sucks! He can't do the job. End of story.
I walked away after that because what else can you say? To be called something I am not and to have no discernible way to prove it otherwise placed a really bad taste in my mouth. No matter how much we use the facts to prove the points, the left uses race as the ultimate "smart bomb." (for all you Defender fans out there)
Your words are right out of the mouth of that anti-Semite Alex Jones.
Paulie-wog.
Yes, but have you stopped beating your wife? (sarcasm) And good analogy on Defender.
Remember, Remember the 9th of November, Progressive Treason and Plot. I can think of no reason Progressive Treason should ever be forgot.
Yay! America gets it's own November "Guy Fawkes" day!
Call it what it is, Class Warfare from the communist manifesto, and implemented by the NSDAP, the tensions between members or groups of different social classes, how many times has Obama, Democrats these liberal/progressives, the NAACP played the race card, played the middle class ploy, and this is the worse type of racisms because it is for political gain. The racist left, in exchange for whips and chains, they now abuse a socialist allotment and bastardized the meaning of freedom, and groups are now very dependent on their socialist allotment. Those of us on the right believe in inalienable god given rights for everyone, the more the government controls these rights, they will become subverted and perverted which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government. The time to end the racism and hatred from the left is now and time to stop the bastardization of our Constitution is now. Such a comparison is fact and must never be lost, if you do not know and understand history you are doomed to repeat it. We must not stumble all over, making apologies, and trying to defend ourselves, we must state these facts more clearly and loudly then ever before.
Hey, maybe you finally get it….. Why do you think the TEA Party came about. It's big government expansionist like Bush and now (on hyper drive) obama that pissed everyone off. We all realize that incrementally, we have been electing presidents that more than eager in solving our problems with an expansion of government.
The argument that because Bush did something similar is not an argument, it's your excuse.
You should probably look it up yourself – it would be arduous to post here due to posting limits.
What did he do about them stealing our technology? Maybe they already had it thanks to Israel selling it to them, though…..
Alex Jones an anti-Semite? Most people I know say he is too pro-Zionist. His wife's a Jew, you know?
I'm not apologizing about nonexistent racism, I'm throwing the charge right back at them, and the difference is in their case it's true. Don't waste any time apologizing. If O'Reilly goes out and apologizes "for us" it only remins us he is actually a tool of the left. Anyone else who apologizes on our behalf either is also a tool or is not clear in his or her head about what racism is and where it's found – in the Left, where it has always been.
Don't we already have a term for what Slagle is saying?
Its called jump the shark right?
Libs are 100% – RINO's are 50%
Fixt that for ya.
On "your" scale – REAL Conservatives would be about -125 to -200%.
Godwin's Law is a variant of Confuscius' adage: He who throws the first punch has lost the argument.
It began with the Ron Paul campaign – http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvGS12EoZUE
I thought "jump the shark" referred to an idea so badly mangled that it's humorous. (From "Happy Days" Fonzie water skiing and jumping a shark…was near the end of the series' run…)
Hannity will be having one of his "raicsts" reports on tonight @9:00 …. /smirk/…. – I guess I will have to tune in to see it … I'm sure everyone from the left will also to see the hatred from FOX
maybe it's because words do not have meaning anymore,………
so how are we to properly interpret the actions of our "government",………
much less be critical of it,…………..
Me thinks it all started to unravel when we were told,…..
we did not know the meaning of what is,……is.
sorry Jamesb,…… now you are asking us to recognize an entire ideology,…….
give us a break,………#134,…we ain't that smart.
Note to 'shouldbethinkinalot' – George Bush is not a conservative. We didn't agree with everything he did, either. What is it with you and your ilk? Bush spends like a drunken sailor – something your side is obviously on board with – and he gets condemned. Put a D behind the drunken sailor's name and big spending is hunky dory OK again. Please – explain yourself.
Eh, a distant variant.
Actually this is the father of the Tea Party: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp-Jw-5Kx8k
The best response to racism charges from the NAACP and the relic media is to laugh.
Racism had been technically dead since the blacks won their right to vote and use the same bathrooms and that WAS NOT because of the Dimocrats. They were the true racists and still are. Byrd comes to mind.
I don't disagree with your post ( the first common sense one I've read thus far) but the NAACP and a lot of others will milk the race card till it looks like an antiquity relic. It's old and tired but this administration wants to use it for political leverage and they know exactly what will ensue.
Therefore, they/we have a huge target on our backs!
The truth has been revealed: "A Republican-appointed member of the panel probing why voter intimidation charges were dropped against the New Black Panther Party said Sunday that the case was flimsy and stood by an earlier claim that some of her colleagues are hammering the issue to bring down Attorney General Eric Holder. "
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/25/commis...
Do you realize December 2007 comes before early 2009? LOL!!!!!!! Then again, you are wrong about so much it wouldn't surprise me if you didn't.
It's strange how you commented on an article you apparently didn't read.
No Jump the shark means a series (or argument) has seen its better days lost all purpose as Fonzie "Jumped the shark" as a last death breath of the series.
You seem to mistake him for a Democrat. That's being mean to Democrats.
"……….Medicare Entitlement program (Big Pharma benefit program AKA the Senior Drug Benefit program) paving the way to national healthcare?,……."
Big Pharma was indeed big,………..
but you if feel it paved the way for Obamacare,………..
well than I suppose it is pretty easy to pin this jackass,…..
on Bush's butt.
You should actually read the ENTIRE story. It's the "it's too small of group" to be a "danger" argument. That was proved wrong with 19 people on 9/11. Actually way back with ONE Jim Jones.
And if she was appointed by the CURRENT Republicans – then she's a RINO like them. Don't lump her in with us here.
The case wasn't flimsy – and I'll type if REAL big and REAL slow for you
THE
CASE
HAD
ALREADY
BEEN
WON.
Did you get that???
When the TEA Party began is mutually exclusive to the discussion. You made a statement, "didn't Bush greatly expand the Medicare" and that prompted my statement that you might finally get it. I take it back.
How did Harry Reid's feet taste, talkzy? Surely your enlightened ass got to kiss them at that pitiful convention.
REMEMBER NOVEMBER.
http://remembernovember.com/
http://remembernovember.com/
One of the Tea Party cries was that the Health Plan was for Black REPARATIONS!! Cant get more racist than that. They had signs of Obama as a witch doctor with a bone through his nose and people carried around stuffed monkeys labelled Obamacare.
Racists love to deny the Holocaust as much as they deny their Tea Party racism.
And Fascism is a government run by big business. Like the Big Health insurance companies and BP and Wall Street banks. Companies the Right wing always defends.
Or we have the target on them, 11/2 is coming…my brothers…and the real change is at hand…hahahaha…statist Washington has our complete attention, never a good thing for politicians or parasites.
Let me make this really simple for you. You cannot convict someone for murder if NOBODY IS DEAD!!!! Simalarly, you cannot convict someone of voter intimidation, if NO VOTERS WERE INTIMIDATED!!! Not ONE single voter has come forward to say they were intimidated, even AFTER Fox has been running the story every single day like it is the crime of the century! Can you wrap your mind around that?
It is pure tried and true Alinsky ~ nothing more, nothing less.
Hell! …it wouldn’t surprise me one little bit that the White House has a dweeb corps, fighting with the ugly Americans on conservative blogs, you know…the ones that pay for everything.
I wonder if we should drop the use of Nazi and fascist and totally stick to statist ~ Levin uses it all the time. He may be onto something if we would incorporate it on a daily basis, it will stick them with a new stench, like liberal has become in their nostrils.
My side? My side would round up the illegals and shoot them (they are, after all, an invading and occupying force), end all immigration, raise tariffs, bring home the troops from the TWO Vietnam-type police actions (no declaration to make it a war) and end aid to Israel and other countries. Which party is mine? Certainly not the GOP nor the Democrats. We need a new party that puts Americans first because neither party comes close.
Well, sometimes that has to take a back seat to trolling.
LOL!
That was "Loral Space" under Clinton, that sold the technology to China, guidance systems for ICBMs. Remember the ’96 campaign Charlie Tree, OwlGore at the Buddhist Temple, and his iced tea alibi etc.
There's a danger in this particular line of thinking.
Perhaps accusations of Nazism should automatically cost the accusor the argument — unless their opponent is ACTUALLY a Nazi. Perhaps accusations of Racism should automatically cost the accusor the argument — unless their opponent is ACTUALLY a racist.
This is the greatest danger that weaponized racism poses: it breeds cynicism on the topic of racism. Very soon, genuine racists may be able to shield themselves behind weaponized racism — if they cannot already.
Of course, it's the Spencer Ackermans and Janeane Garofalos of the world who are to blame for this. Shame on them — if only they were capable of shame.
"…if you call your opponent a Racist, you have also lost the argument."
Funny how the liberals never bother making an initial argument, they just go straight for the race card as soon as the debate is started.
The Prescription Drug Benefit for Seniors was a dumbass statist piece of legislation, that should have never seen the light of day.
I don't understand how this comment could have gotten voted down so often.
That's nothing. I once had an individual tell me I was racist because I wouldn't accept Emanuel Cleaver's claims that he had the N-word screamed at him without any evidence.
Alright! …whoever it is that has Joseph hostage, let him go now!
You Racist!!! You called the new Rosa Parks "black hoe". After all she's done to promote civil rights in America! Bastard. LOL
I think there may be more there. They reacted way, way too fast. This may have something to do with the huge lawsuit she just won and the circumstances under which she won it. I think they reacted to distract us from something else. This would be consistent with liberal-progressive doctrine. Then again, my underwear may be too tight, but remember you heard it here first.
Do wear a helmet when you go outside!
"………..milk the race card till……….." and they are doing so via Piggy-back Pigford suits against USDA,
and next will go after banking institutions that have discriminated against anyone who even THOUGHT
about trying to get a loan in the last 50 years, I guaran-damn-tee it.
Mr of Steele has a history of being rather antagonistic to the commenters here on BG, recently his
body has been occupied by aliens or medication, we're not sure which.
I think aliens from Uranus have occupied his body.
I like Statist as well because it's hard for them to argue against it or try to say "No, fascism is a right wing philosophy."
And it helps undecided and otherwise apathetic people focus on the real issue – Liberty v. Tyranny.
Machiavelli would be so proud. It looks like amateur hour to me, these creeps are over their heads.
Amen, man. As soon as people start spouting off about race, then I no longer respect their credibility. I drives me absolutely insane when I hear individuals cry "racist" just because they have no other ground to stand on.
I know! …he really has a line on this race issue.
Earth to agent 77……..concentrate now, I'll t y p e r e a l s l o w , the guilt/innocence phase was
fini', during the GWB Adm……….the defendants were a no show. They were convicted.
oRegime only needed to prepare the sentencing phase, I believe.
What part of this are you unable to understand.
You have the RIGHT to remain silent…………………….
And I advise that you do cutie pie!
Most conservatives have allowed themselves to be cowed by the mere threat of being labeled a racist. It's time we take a new approach. Rather than retreating or falling back into denials, we should respond by saying "If you need me to be your racist, then fine… I'll be your racist." When they realize that their threats no longer intimidate, liberals may be forced to actually confront the issues instead of taking cheap shots.
Wrong, wrong and wrong. There was voter intimidation you ignorant troll. Wrap your head around this:
"Bartle Bull, a longtime Democratic activist and civil-rights lawyer – and a prominent figure in the presidential campaigns of Bobby Kennedy and Jimmy Carter – was on the scene in Philadelphia that day. He relied on his eyes and ears. Moreover, he filed an affidavit elaborately describing the Panthers' menacing, and concluded that it, "qualified as the most blatant form of voter intimidation I have encountered in my life in political campaigns in many states, even going back to the work I did in Mississippi in the 1960's."
http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin...
Also, this comes from the career attorney from the DOJ who was prosecuting the case and who resigned his position because Holder is a unethical, racist POS:
I have never, ever heard of the Division refusing to take a default judgment, especially in a situation where the defendants are basically admitting they violated the law.” I would go further. In my nearly 20 years as a federal prosecutor, there were innumerable times when the Justice Department opted not to bring charges, despite convincing evidence of guilt. But the usual prerequisite for deferring or dismissing prosecution is an exhibition of contrition. Never have I seen a case in which the government, having gone to the trouble of filing charges and litigating to the threshold of victory, decided to forfeit for the benefit of defendants who had treated both the case and the judicial process with utter contempt.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZDJjZmYw...
Daum, I'm sick and tired of trying to educate you morons !!!
It was WRONG to convict someone of voter intimidation if NO VOTER WAS INTIMIDATED!! AG Holder did the right thing to drop the charges, just like Ms. Thernstrom, a Republican member, said! Hello genius, people have been convicted of crimes they didn't commit before. It doesn't make it right. Justice was done in this matter.
Joseph
We are all very proud of your political maturity and apparent escape from the "PodPeople".
Everything in the post was great until the analogy at the end…
Call me dense but are you calling the NAACP idiots? Racists is more like it…Put "Racist" in place of "Idiot" and it makes more sense, to me anyway…
"It reminds me of the old Superman movies where the criminals, having fired all their bullets at the man in steel, resort to throwing their guns."
And just like George Reeves' Superman, we stand strong against the initial attack but the thrown gun forces us to duck out of the way.
Anyone seen the EXHORCIST? Thats his problem but today his head has stopped spinnin in circles.
No, what you just admitted to is the epitome of trolling. NICE.
They get their orders and talking points from their masters at Netroots, Dailykos, Moveon.org, etc..
"But didn't Bush greatly expand the Medicare Entitlement program (Big Pharma benefit program AKA the Senior Drug Benefit program) paving the way to national healthcare?"
While I oppose any increase in entitlements such as Medicare, it's important to note that if Part D had not been enacted, the competing Democrat pharmaceutical plan probably would have, which would basically have destroyed the pharmaceutical industry via excessive regulation and price controls. So, Part D was the lesser of two evils.
And Part D did not "pave the way" for "national healthcare." It applies only to seniors already on Medicare, not to healthy people who choose not to pay for their own health insurance.
Wow, ad hominem to the max.
Another very insiightful fact free comeback.
Accusations of racism as a means to transact governmental change are desperate and short sighted at best.
It seems the focus of this round of progressive change is aimed at the economy. Regulating outcomes through reappropriative actions provides near term relief for the underclasses….but that is all.
Frankly, the irrationality of all this is disturbing. And, even more disturbing is that the irrationality in all of this clearly highlights our poor education system (in regards to critical thinking).
The notion that you can redistribute wealth (revenue, profits) would fail you in any intro to business class.
To listen to the liberal set complain that 20% of the citizenry controls 80% of the wealth is tantamount to someone complaining that the smart guy in class is the valedictorian. It is FULLY expected!!!
Those that would assume or attempt to insinuate that this is some sort of anomaly or unfair or unequal happenstance are outwardly declaring that they don't understand the laws of economics, or natural laws in general.
The notion that we can have some sort of 'democratic' distribution of say, 50% of the people having 50% of the wealth is the notion that is unnatural and rails against all laws of economics and nature.
There is a well known and proven principle in economics (which carries over to most other fields) called the 80/20 principle (Pareto Principle, Law of the Vital Few, etc). Short version: 80% of outcomes are the result of 20% inputs (causes, efforts, whatever you want to call them). The principle demonstrates that there is in inbuilt IMBALANCE in causes and results, inputs and outputs, effort and reward. The principle demonstrates that this imbalance is NORMAL and expected.
The problem: It is counter-intuitive. To a mind set on social justice, certainly a 1 to 1 exchange or 50/50 rule would be more intuitive. And that is why liberals have a hard time with it. You have to be able to critically think to understand it.
It's much easier to just say: if 20% of the people have 80% of the wealth, then it is unfair and there is a systemic problem.
Reality: the system is working fine if we see a normal imbalance.
The problem comes when you try to reappropriate it and redistribute.
You weaken what is strong, exponentially.
You strengthen what is weak, minimally.
You have just made the system worse.
Why dont Tea Partiers want Obama Care? Because of COURSE, its REPARATIONS for blacks!
"Simalarly [sic], you cannot convict someone of voter intimidation, if NO VOTERS WERE INTIMIDATED!!!"
Assault is still assault even if there is no battery.
How about if some skinheads had been patrolling that same polling place carrying batons, would you be as understanding?
Obamacare exceeds the legitimate role of the federal government. Second, government does a poor job of innovating.
Take away the profit incentive in health care and you've taken away the motivation to commit billions to medical R&D.
How about universal housing, universal transportation, universal groceries, universal clothing, universal energy, etc..
Those are all in the works, BTW.
Slagle's corollary to Godwin's Law: As an online discussion with a liberal grows longer, the probability of an accusation of racism approaches … given enough time, all discussions with liberals —regardless of topic or scope —inevitably wind up being about racism.
Funny how this doesn't get mentioned, either:
U.S. Approves Targeted Killing of American Cleric
Muslim cleric Aulaqi is 1st U.S. citizen on list of those CIA is allowed to kill
IOW, Komrade Klueless wants an American citizen rubbed out regardless of his proximity to combat situations involving American forces. Please note that Anwar al-Awlaki is not only an American, but also a natural-born citizen.
We've had a law against assassinating foreign leaders for three and a half decades. Now we have an order to assassinate a natural-born citizen by nothing more than executive fiat. Care to comment, smart guy?
Who cares what this Bartle Bull guy says unless he was a registered voter in that precint. It is not up to him to speak for someone else and claim that they were intimidated. He CANNOT read the minds of anyone. J. Christian Adams is a political hack who was hired when the Bush appointees decided to politicize the DOJ. Remember Monica Goodling who got her law degree from one of the televangelist colleges and her illegally using political affiliation as hiring criteria for hiring federal employees during the Bush administration? That is a big no-no! The point that none of you can get around is this: No voter came forward to claim voter intimidation occurred! Case closed!
The Tea Party rally cry is "We Want Our Country Back!" I guess that explains all the Confederate Flags at the rallies!
What a hoot. This racist troll has a remarkable reputation. I don't recall seeing one rated at -100. I guess we can safely assume – duly, programmed. LMAO
Friend, the fact that no voter came forward tells me that the intimidation was a full success!
I am pretty sure that folks have been convicted of crimes on evidential grounds when a terrified victim is incapable or too scared to come forward.
I watched the tape on the news early in the day, and it made me wonder: Could there be Black Panthers waiting with batons at my precinct, and would they use the batons on me?
It scared me and I didn't vote that day due to intimidation.
I put myself forward as a victim of this crime.
I did not say anything about assault. Assault and battery are different. If nobody claimed that the skinheads intimidated them, then it would be wrong to claim that they intimidated anyone. However, if one voter came forward to claim voter intimidation, it would be appropriate to convict them.
"Daum, I'm sick and tired of trying to educate you morons !!! "
I've seen some dumbass statements in my day but "Simalarly, you cannot convict someone of voter intimidation, if NO VOTERS WERE INTIMIDATED!!! Not ONE single voter has come forward to say they were intimidated," takes the cake.
Prove NO VOTER WAS INTIMIDATED…………..the case had been won by the Gov't, the men
were GUILTY as charged. You know the guys announcing in PUBLIC they planned to kill
KRAKKAH BABIES (translation: white babies) and their KRAKKAH MOMMAS.
Justice WAS done, and then Holder usurped justice and let hiz bros from da hood off the
hook. Holder is a thug and I suspect a follower of Black Liberation Theology.
TarHeels77 Do you subscribe to Black Liberation Theology?
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Weak response. When you read my comment and were deciding whether to reply or not, you made the wrong decision.
Haha. Apparently you failed to read the indictment in the first link I provided. Just go back to your mirror and do the Obumusbuttfuk stare. El Creepish.
Charging someone with intimidation has nothing to do with what the target of the attempted intimidation "felt", you drooling moron. It is about the behaviour of the one attempting to intimidate that person. Please tell me you haven't reproduced, voted, operated heavy equipment, sought positions of authority or influence.
You're an assault to intelligence. TrollHeels.
We are here to kill your illusions and take away your fantasy. You came to the "right" place, PrikNW.
Please explain "hiz bros from da hood." What do you mean by that? Why did you use those particular words when talking about a black AG? Would you have used those same words in a comment about AG Gonzalez, or AG Ashcroft, or AG Reno? I think not. You reveal your racism in that you use the phrase "hiz bros from da hood" when referring to the ONLY black AG in the history of the US. Do you believe all black people talk that way? Why do you think like that? Thank you for one more piece of evidence to prove the racism of the teabagger movement!
The form of argument which you decry is called "ad hominem." In an "ad hominem" argument one party, having no valid point to raise against his opponent in a debate resorts to a personal attack on the other.
Are you really that much of a wimp? Maybe you should have had your Mommy hold your hand to escort you to the voting precint. Black folks voted in the South with all kinds of threats hanging over them. Iraqi citizens voted when they were threatened with death, but your little prissy a$$ couldn't vote because you were scared of something you saw on TV. Wow! I would be ashamed to admit that.
Exactly, just like all these threats by Southern teabagging governors to secede based on their "10th Amendment" nonsense.
So, to someone – anyone? – who does not personally know me, has never met me, the facts that I am (a) 63 years old, (b) white and (c) male automatically brand me as "racist"? How can such a pre-judgement of a person one has never met nor spoken with nor whose actions one has never witnessed NOT be considered as prejudice, as stereotype, as racism on the part of those who make that assumption? The notion that because "people of color" – whoever that refers to – have no "power", therefore they cannot be racists and nothing they say or do can be racist is, to be polite, utter nonsense.
They will say or do anything to deny truth. Reality is their worst enemy. Then when you provide them irrefutable evidence, they hasten to change the topic, or pull out the phony race-card.
Never fails.
I suspect he's all charged up by the bloggers getting their marching orders from Reid & Pelosi at the Netroots convention.
(part two; I write too much, eh?) I have a news flash for anyone out there who believes that all white men have power: only about 10% – at the very most – of all white people, male or female, have power. The rest of us just go along and get along, the same as all those who would leap to so sanctimoniously denounce me – and other whites like me – as racist. That notion – that all whites have power and no "people of color" have any – is utter foolishness, designed to rationalize the racist actions, words and ideas of "people of color". To put a face of reason and logic on the hate they and their white "friends" throw around, to give some patina of justice to their now open campaign of revenge for all the insults and injuries they have suffered at the hands of whites.
(three; I write way too much) Second news flash: the days of slavery ended quite a while ago and the people who were responsible for the Jim Crow laws and segregation and all the evil since were not conservative Republicans, they were Democrats. In fact, some of the same Democrats who still sit in office in Washington … oh, wait. Strom Thurman's dead, that other Senate Democrat Grand Wizard KKK'er kicked off last week or so … sorry, they're all dead too. None of us did those things, any more than we owned slaves. Few if any of us have ever even verbally abused a "person of color" let alone dragged them along behind a truck and killed them. Those of us white people who did that to blacks within the last 40 – 50 years were arrested, tried, convicted and imprisioned for their crimes. Let it go! We did not do any of that. But don't believe me, after all, I'm a white man and a conservative; better to believe Barney Frank and Chris Dodd and Senator Reid and of course Nancy Pelosi, they're white, but they're Democrats … oh.
I apologize for that. The last time I was that stunned I had about a half-gallon or so of whiskey in me–took me minute or two to regroup. I assume the post I put above that one sufficiently stuck your nose in your diaper that I won't get a reply to that one.
"Are you really that much of a wimp? Maybe you should have had your Mommy hold your hand to escort you to the voting precint. "
Nice name calling and personal attack, which is completely typical for a libunatic.
I'm still waiting………………………….
I urge you to try patrolling a polling place carrying a baton this November. Let's see what happens.
I was pointing out that it is not necessary to have one voter step forward admitting to being intimidated. First, in a black neighborhood, someone testifying against any black activist is basically signing his own death warrant.
Second, what counts is the act of intimidation, not the response. I was trying to illustrate that for you with the assault/battery example, but of course you weaseled out of that.
Carrying a weapon while patrolling a polling place counts as intimidation, regardless of whether or not someone steps forward (and takes his life in his hands talking to the police).
You should find a better hill on which to make a stand.
Suddenly my respect for you has gone up. I stand trolled.
Obama is Nifonging America to get his way.
T-Party does not have more blacks because 95% of them voted for Obama because of his skin color. We welcome blacks to the T-party, they have 25% + unemployment. Obama hurts them most. They are playing for the wrong team.
Exactly. I am going to start training myself to use the term. Your point of the left saying, "No, fascism is a right wing philosophy." does nip it in the bud! Gotta love Levin!
TarHeels77, flatliners called and said they want you to distance yourself from them. They don't want you to get charged with feloniously embarrassing them.
If you think that's what Fascism is – you need to go learn what it REALLY mean, not what they are teaching in schools and colleges now a days. Fascism is on the LEFT right past Socialism.
Exactly right.
Obama is saying to Americans: "I am black and you have to do what I want, or else I'm going to call you a racist."
Interesting governing concept.
You are so right on! All I see this is a last ditched attempt at trying to make the true patriots look bad….and it is so going to blow up in their faces! One hundred days….it is just around the corner and I am so ready! Looking forward to some of that top of the shelf brandy!
Perceptive of you sport!
Not to mention in and of itself, cowardly.
Hey, idiot! Conservatives were opposed to this, by and large. Amazing how selective you are with your facts.
"Dear Britain: Lift the ban on Michael Savage!"
"Reality is their worst enemy." You have to have at least a passing familiarity with it first. If Gomer cussed, he would say "Shadayamm!"
That's it…thumbs up for Spanky!
Nice way to set up a strawman that nobody seriously believes then knock it down. Fact is I can find plenty of G20 protesters who will tell you tales of the Illuminati, that does not mean they represent the G20 protesters.
They tried that, it was called the USSR. Of coarse this would require Erik too really look at history…and grasp the armpit that was Soviet Russia.
The familiarity usually comes in the form of a two-by-four; there ain't no enough books to edgeumcate these sphincters.
Along with the helmet, make sure mommy ties a string to your belt loop as well, we wouldn’t want you to get lost in the backyard.
My admiration to those voters you sited in your drivel.
However, I don't see how their experiences are relevant upon mine.
Either I am guaranteed unobstructed access to voting, or I am not. If I am, then the past does not matter. What happens in Iraq does not matter.
All that matters is that the NBP broke the law and should be held as accountable as I would be if I stood in front of a precinct wearing a hood and sheet in 2010 (please don't bring up events that took place in the 1800s and early 1900s; they are irrelevant).
"Like the Big Health insurance companies and BP and Wall Street banks. Companies the Right wing always defends. "
And companies that donate even more to Dems than they do to GPO.
To your logic, the Dems are in the pocket of the fascists.
I agree.
Doh! "Charmin" bunch, aren't they? Don't offer much hope.
Ike! …it’s good that you’ve accepted your obvious racism, it’s much easier that way. You also have to remember Nancy, Barney, Harry, Chris, and the gang give away free stuff…our stuff.
I am calling them intellectually bankrupt.
Idiots, if you like. They have a long history of working for the advancement of Civil Rights.
That history has been compromised in recent years due to their decisions to argue points that are not well thought out or proven.
They may be racists. I don't know. I can't really prove that, so I won't call them that. I think it is unfair to call anyone a racist without unobjectionable proof.
I have a wide body of evidence to prove they are intellectually bankrupt, however.
I've tried various methods to teach students in this particular class.
Some students are slower and haven't appreciate their grades, hence, the spitballs at the teacher.
Levin is great! Acerbic but very very intelligent. I'd love to see some statist have to debate him. He'd chew them up and spit them out.
Salad Tosser! …from Team Parasite!
Does your train of thought have a caboose?
If you continue to be lead by Beck, Hannity, Sarah, Rush and all the Serpents on the right you will lift your eyes in hell! Open your heats, minds and souls to Christ!
ACTS 4:
32And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.
33And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.
34Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
35And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.
36And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, and of the country of Cyprus,
37Having land, sold it, and brought the money, and laid it at the apostles' feet.
DON'T JUST FAN THE BIBLE IN FRONT OF CAMERAS…READ IT!
Yip! Me and Jesus!
Just like you and Satan!
I can tell you that there ARE a few assclowns lurking around on this site who get out of hand from time to time. It can be hard to blame someone for being a little terse with them.
JustLurkin comes to mind. That guy is a tool.
SPAMMER ALERT
80/20 principle is the guiding rule of human nature, that’s just the way it is. Another good post Joseph, have you kicked your LSD habit, or something?
It really isnt hard to explain the Nazi analogies, since the Nazis were based on the same principles as Progressives. So actually, it was the American Progressives that created the German Nazis.
Sad, sad, sad!
Salad tosser!
My well Progressively educated (or is it edited) daughter pulls this on me like a gun and I find it intolerantly frustrating. One should question why the thought police of the progressive movement would be so sensitive to the "Hitler" comparisons. It is a much easier rewrite of history if we are unable to use reference points from the “Third Reich” as milestones and warning signs. Regardless of motive there were certain mechanisms that were employed to bring about an outcome that at the time seemed improbable. When those same mechanisms are employed one has to question the intended outcomes. Truly how many demigods have risen to power and left such a rich and clear historical record. If we are denied this history we are denied our best defense from tyranny.
I'm trying to imagine you with a personality. Sadist.
Do you believe in blacks killing white babies TH77?
Do you endorse Black Liberation Theology?
He he he, did you read the article TH77? Read the title of this piece.
The first one to cry RACISM loses the argument!
F A I L , you little twerp, now answer my questions or buzz off.
I wouldn't have called Hitler that, but I would agree he was an opportunist in that he used a group that his party and the general public could despise and eventually attempt to annihilate.
He would have been pilloried regardless. The left needed a scapegoat in order to hide their own failings. It's called diversion.
The term has been used so often it has lost any value as a means to slander.
Lol!
I've quite lively!
Full of love and spirit; which I understand is foreign to your type!
When any of the above happens people not only lose any sense of individualism but also any sense of personal responsibility for his/her actions or inaction. Furthermore, it can cause a decrease in creativity throughout a group.
These ideas are contrary to the very things that made our country great – individuality, creativity, and a desire to achieve individual recognition, advancement, wealth or all the preceding.
Nice play.
It's a thankless job, but I've got a lot of Karma to burn off. Look's like you've exceeded yours. LOL
"The reason liberals (really Modern Liberals/Progressives) go down to racism is because they have nothing else to add. "
A better statement would be that the progressive is truly uninformed(lack of supportative facts) and thus unable to continue the debate. Calling someone names Is his/her last ditch effort to discredit the more informed individual.
Yes indeed. He is one that could chew them up and spit them out! I admit his acidic attitude gives me a bit of needed relief from the idiocy that the left is really showing these days.
Then you have a very bad memory. Go back and read your original post you sanctimonious, hateful, little POS.
Not really. However, it is against existing federal law written by congress and signed into law by previous presidents.
If memory serves, progressives have been around at least since the days of Rome maybe even longer. Remember that the emperors used the circus mobs to thwart the senate.
A Liberal is one who is open minded, not strict in the observance of orthodox, traditional or established forms or ways. Jesus was a pluralist Liberal who taught that one need not conform to strict and orthodox views of God, religion, and life. He rejected greed, violence, the glorification of power, the amassing of wealth without social balance, and the personal judging of others, their lifestyles and beliefs.
You should agree that Jesus was a Liberal!!
I appreciate his thoughts because he's a constitutional scholar and attorney so when he explains something in those terms, I can understand that as a colleague.
The only reason that a teabagger like yourself would automatically assume that a highly-educated attorney general, that just happens to be black, would have "hiz bros from da hood" (your words not mine) is simple, absolute, clear-cut racism. I don't assume that a black man would have "bros from da hood," so why do you? The answer is because I am not racist, but you are.
Remember alinsky and Sun Tzu. A divided enemy is easier to conquer. Progressives have studied this tidbit for years. If they can get the TEA party to implode on itself, the progs have won the battle and the war. That means the dims win in Nov and we continue to see more socialist legislation to appease the "Roman rabble", their voting base..
SLAM'D
And me as a regular Joe I too can understand it. He is a gifted man with words.
George Soros is a Jew, or was, too, he hates isreal.
Instead of presenting cogent arguments for their policies the left flagrantly labels anyone they disagree with a racist and/or a fascist. These unfair characterization have been like magic words for them that allowed them to silence anyone and stifle debate. These tactics are right out of the Alinsky playbook.
The silver lining in all of this is that because of their addiction to crying "wolf" the left has grown intellectually lazy all these years. Yes they are deviously clever and diabolical but they've forgotten how to think and even rationally debate. Instead they resort to childish ad hominem attacks and other assorted fallacies.
It's not enough just to work and take care of your family in this country. That's a luxury we can no longer afford. This is a war for the soul of this country. We need to wake up, get educated and arm ourselves with reason and logic. We need be brave and not afraid of their tricks and distractions.
That is due to the fact that a majority of libs are parroting someone else's pablum in the first place. Logic and facts do not necessarily enter into the thought process. In other words they have not done any research on the subject and lack the facts. Excellent example is social health care. The law had to be passed to discover what was in the 2,500+ pages written by staffers. Another is cap and trade, and a third is the current illegal alien problem that has been festering since the late 80's..
I agree, but it's deeper than that. It's not that Liberals are uninformed, it's that they are willfully uninformed and they specifically reject facts that are opposed to their preconcived notions. Also, many liberals are very smart people, so there is more to it than just being "uninformed."
In short, their belief system can never work. They want everything to be "equal", but in order to force everything to be "equal", they have to treat people unequally! So their notion that all of our societal problems will go away when we are all 'equal" can NEVER work. Right out of the gate, their ideas create tension.
This is where the Socialism comes from. They think that their idea of eveyrthing being "equal" is so noble, so pure, that they think they have the right to tell people what to do.
Along the same lines, they don't worry about contrary facts because they KNOW in their heads that what they believe is right. In order words, Liberals (really Modern Liberals/Progressives) actually think they are helping.
Watch and absorb the video "How Modern Liberals Think" by Evan Sayet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c
Incorrect. It's a violation of individual rights guaranteed by the Constitution.
LOL I love Levin,,,,,,,,,but Savage is on before him, so my ear becomes accustomed
to Michaels mellow tone, and then here comes Levin with his whining, nagging, ughh,
but I suffer through because of all the good information he provides.
Perhaps the digital variant?
Any government or group that can keep a society divided among itself has little to fear. It's when society unites on common grounds that governments and groups began to tremble. Ergo, alinsky and progressive disinformation to keep folks fighting among themselves rather than against an oppressive regime or group is better for the bad guys.
Do you believe that the NBPP plan kill white babies?
Do you believe that the NBPP plan to kill white mothers?
TH do you subscribe to Black Liberation Theology?
You were first to cry RACIST , TEABAGGER………….YOU LOSE!!!!!
Answer my questions, or buzz off!
It's not simply a commentary on human nature. It is a commentary on the fact that we live in an inherently unbalanced universe.
The universe abhors balance.
Something as simple as a 51/49 split will, over time gravitate (minute inequalities amplify) towards 95/5 or even 99/1.
Equality ends in dominance!!!
The saying 'the rich get richer' is a perfect example of this. Just a small advantage early on, can over time, lead to complete dominance.
And that is the problem with this current lot of progressive liberals: they think they can legislate some sort of 'equal' starting point thereby overriding the natural laws of unbalance!!!
Fully forgetting that we do not have equal 'abilities' (with abilities being everything from intelligence and work ethic to parents who have better parenting skills than other).
Progs wish to control individual thought and action. I do believe we were given free will and by that freedom of choice by our Creator.
As for hate as you call it, I have not seen any of that unless you consider anger at big government, excessive spending, and the deficit as hate issues.
PS: Christ doesn't command. He allows freedom of choice. It's part of the free will thingy. You are free to choose the path not commanded to do so.
Frankly, make a good argument for reparation to blacks, and we can talk about it.
I'm against Obama care because of the lies.
We are now being told that, after the bill has finally been read and properly analyzed, several of the key promises are not likely to come true.
I fail to see how expecting legislation to do what is promised can be transferred to being a race issue.
Look, if you don't care about being lied to….that's YOUR problem.
If you don't care that the guy you apparently voted for is not holding true to what he promised in return for your vote….that is YOUR problem.
That you like being lied to, that you like having promises made to you broken DOES NOT make me a racist.
It makes YOU a masochist.
Yeah, somtimes I wish he would spend a bit more time on Statist caller, but he doesn't suffer fools easily. I listen to Prager, Elder (when he was on) and others for that – they were so patient and pretty much any statist that calls people like that winds up blubbering at the end and just talking nonsense.
I agree with you about "winning" debates. I pretty much know I won't ever change the mind of the person I'm directly debating, but I make sure that others get to see what a moron the other guy is. Usually it's not that hard, that's why they are moron! LOL!
Is it as nonsensical as black panthers advocating a sovereign black nation? As nonsensical as illegal aliens flowing unabated into our country?
I haven't seen an abundance of Rebel Flags. Lot of Gadsen Flags (don't tread on me). Maybe you are confused?
I'm sure there is a rebel flag here or there, possibly.
But, doesn't the NAACP response in relation to the black panthers apply here as well:
'they are such a small and inconsequential threat, why should we worry about them'
What's good for the racebaiter is good for the racebait-ee, no?
Exactly. When you know the history of Progressivism and the relationship with fascism in Europe, including the Nazis, it's a little hard to leave the Nazis out of the discussion.
Does that mean I think Obama and his minions will herd people onto trains and into ovens? No.
But they do want control and I'm sure they'll come up with their own brand of Statism.
Haven't we all?
lol! I like truthfulness +1 talky, +1
I would agree that Christ was a conservative. It's that free will thingy and the fact that we have a brain to choose between good and evil. He gave us the freedom to choose our path. Progressives(liberals) wish to control our very thoughts and actions.
Having been recently informed that JoS is our teacher I will henceforth refer to him as
Prof JoS. He is a resident contrarion who seldom bears malice toward commenters,
however these other dweebs are newbies, have no class, probably paid trolls they will
leave promptly when their shift is over.
We seem to have brainwashed Prof JoS as he is alarmingly, agreeing with us waaay too
often of late. Perhaps a vacation is in order for the fine Prof.
Nuffsaid, live by your name – you've said enough.
Oh, and stop drinking the Kool-Aid.
I'm an agnostic, but I find nothing funnier than seeing a Liberal using the Bible to bolster their argument.
Hey, even Satan can quote scripture, sparky.
Excellent response. However, the "equal" aspect is suspect. From what I have read they want control over the mind and actions of society. They want to be in control of the whole shebang. Such thinking suppresses individual freedom of choice and violates our God given rights.
Jesus was not "open-minded" in a sense that supports your proposed premise. First, a Liberal hates moral absolutes. Christ died for them. Liberals find it convenient to claim there is a "greater good". Jesus said each individual is responsible for their own selves and their actions and to suffer the consequences resulting from those actions, and He offered redemption. Liberals think it is perfectly acceptable to enable the failure that is a consequence of a wrong choice by softening or removing the blow so the individual never learns how to grow and the individual becomes a slave to the whims of the Liberals' largesse. Or lack of largesse, as there is no compelling moral absolute and the Lib can change the definition of "greater good" when ever it is required to attain further control.
I am not even going to go on with this. This angle of trying to get real thinking Christians all riled up is juvenile. Defending God is not necessary and if you were being serious in your claim, you need to study. Start with Natural Law, go to the Ten Commandments, refer to Christ's words on how many options he offers (hint:one God), then study logic to learn how to construct a plausible premise. You can work on an acceptable premise after you master the plausible.
For a minute there I thought I got off track on reading, sounds like a list of quotes from Democrats
You are serious about Savage…mellow? Surreal.
"It is a much easier rewrite of history if we are unable to use reference points from the “Third Reich” as milestones and warning signs."
I agree with you. For years, as I struggled with my apparent moderate liberalism, I couldn't figure out why more often than not liberals sounded like fascists, but I was told that fascism is a right wing political philosophy.
Although I had already abandoned by "moderate liberalism" and embraced conservatism/libertarianism, when I read "Liberal Fascism", it all made sense. I think it's important to show the history of Progressivism and it's relationship to fascism and any other form of Statism.
I believe there is a tactic for this. The left wants to always be in the victim position. Like a 14 year old they don't care about integrity. They will violate the rules a 1000 times because they can… they are the victim child. But as soon as the adult hits them back with the same tactic they scream victim and crawl back to the only position they know: victim fighting the oppressor.
That is why we must denounce their victim claims at every turn. Victims cannot be leaders.
Just use Mao instead.
I know a lot of you are hung up on Saul Alinsky, and his work is worth being aware of.
But he's already becoming old news. George Monbiot is quickly becoming the frightening new mentor of the far left — just consider organizations like "No one is illegal".
I still don't consider that justification for railraoding what was actually a fine and extremely sensical and valuable comment.
If it bothers you that the guy's an asshole, then fine. But save your spears and arrows for when he's actually being an asshole — don't run him into the ground when he's making a good contribution.
At least you are an honest trolling asshat. Though I find it hard to believe I am using *honest* to describe a troll, at least you did not copy/paste the talking points from OFA. I still loathe you, but, acknowledge your forthright admission that you are full of shiat.
(Part 1 of 2) Yes, they want control….but what is their motivation? From my research, they think they are helping.
This is why it is so hard to use logic with them. Since they think they are helping (control and all), they ignore (and in many cases object to) all of the tools we use to be better people.
Why is this important? It's important because the knowledge of what drives them is key to defeating them.
Using cancer as an analogy most of us are in the 1940's (or so). We know it's cancer, but we don't know much about it and we don't have names for a lot of the aspects of cancer. As we have gained knowledge, we have been able to defeat more and more cancers.
(Part 2 of 2) In the case of liberals, most people think liberals just have a different opinion of how to reach the same goals. This is incorrect but it's difficult to get the word out because of our "1940's science".
The reality is Liberals are going to a different place. I used think that we were just in different boats rowing to the same place, but they are rowing in another direction. They talk as if they care about ENOUGH of the same things to confuse people.
They say they want things equal, that we should get rid of injustices, etc. Who doesn't?
The difference is normal people have a belief system based on working to make things better. This "equal" stuff confuses people and, unbeknowst to people, it ends up hurting people in the long run.
Watch all of that video – multiple times. It's that good. From your writings here, you'll appreciate like I do!
But if you mention Hitler and racism at the same time, do they cancel each other out and you win the argument?
To summarize, from what i can see, the root of their psychosis is that they have an imperative to force things to be "equal". No amount of logic will change them because it is their core belief.
Even when presented with vast evidence that their ideas hurt people over time, they will not alter course.
So we really need to educate people about what we are up against and we need to use our knowledge to defeat them.
I used to question my thinking when arguing with some liberal friends because some of them were smart. I'd say to myself "maybe they are right and maybe, because they are smart, I'm wrong." No more. I now know that for everything they come up with, that it is either outright wrong or, if it is right, it's only a tactic in a bigger battle.
So the knowledge of how they work has given me a lot more confidence.
But, your allies at DU/KO's, etc., think the health insurance reform (It is NOT healthCARE reform) largely benefits the health insurance companies. And, Feinberg backed off of reeling in the billions in bonuses handed out to the Wall Street banks that WE bailed out. Had the government not meddled in their business, and let them fail, the bonuses they give to anyone is nobody's business. You are propagandizing Facism, which does not surprise me.
Thanks, that was point. I didn't articulate it well enough so that's my fault. Those quotes are almost 80 YEARS OLD and the similarities are still lost on people because of the very syndrome described in the article. Oh well…
Soros also seems to hate America, our Constitution, and our freedoms..
What galls me is that modern day progressives think NOBODY remembers or understands the origins of their despicable ideology. From the oppression of post Civil War progressivism to Marx and Hitler – control of others lives as a means for optimizing THEIR agenda is nothing new.
A sanctuary city is a refuse for all illegals regardless of race creed or political persuasion. Ergo, it unto itself is not racist. It caters to all illegals. To be racist, it would need cater to a specific racial group.
Under current federal law sanctuary cities are illegal, and the mayors and governors are in violation of a federal statute.
"Lose the debate … " ?
Excuse me, Mr. Slagle? What "debate" are you referring to, exactly?
The Left is not interested in having a "debate.' the Left wants to misdirect, intimidate, and above all, silence those who oppose the Left's agenda.
If you doubt me, I have a simple bit of advice. Try this: just for a little while, stop listening to what they say, and instead pay attention to what they do.
I knew you'd understand. I respect an honest troll. And I'm kind of curious as to what he's doing back here. I guess you can only ban someone for so long.
His "reasonable" phase started about a week ago. I'm waiting for the hive mind to reassert control.
Yep, that is worse. I think most, if not all, of the people on these boards have been called that to one degree or another. All without any evidence except that we do not like where this president and congress is going.
Which is why they have to paint the entire Tea Party with the brush of racism. There is nothing they want more than a central figure, a leader, to emerge in the Tea Party, so they have a target to destroy. That is the beauty of the Tea Party. It is a true " grass roots " movement.
Last week an African American called me a racist because I wouldn't give him a free ride in my taxi cab.
That's not racism, that's business. And I'm not going to apologize for being a good businessman.
Red……I was referring to Savage's VOICE as compared to Levine's…………….
Perhaps you prefer Levins whiny nasal tones to Savage's beautiful mellow
voice?………..Me, not so much.
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Mr _Ross, You asked a question, I assumed it was a genuine question therefor attempted
to answer your question, with a brief explanation.
I would never call Prof JoS an ASSHOLE as you suggest, and FYI I rarely thumb him down.
It is my guess that many see his negative rating and automatically thumb him down. He
has a tendency to be slightly over-wordy at times, a characteristic of many Professors,
which I fear may lead some to skip reading his comments. My comments were offered
in the spirit of good humor and I doubt the good Prof was insulted by same.
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Well I am a TEA partyer and I am not stumbling or apologizing to no one.
ya still remember the brandy there sweet Lorben.
are you planning on making it to Dc this Aug 28
my brother and I will be there God willing.
Amen!
Do you have proof?
Erik are YOU Taxed Enough Already? Are you a "Contributor" or a "Recipient". So you do believe the Government hasn't pissed away enough money yet?
REPARATIONS?…..Al "Slim Shady" Sharpton is that you?
Oh why do I bother with Imbeciles?
RAAAACIST!!!
Did I lose Godwin's law?
Yeah? Darn! *kicking a rock*
Yip! The trash Muslim while being owned by Muslims!
They call you UN-patriotic if you don't support WARS. These WARS puts money in their BIGGEST shareholder pocket, thus making them more money! I suppose you don't see the connection!
True, but the Pres himself need not be the one to combat false accusations.
The Bush admin made a conscious decision to ignore the Democratic Media complex. Karl Rove now admits that this was his failure.
JEWISH SUPREMACIST = RACIST JEWISH NAZI'S !!!! SO, WHERE'S THE HATE FOR THEM, SHEEP?
IT WAS THE JEWISH SUPREMACIST THAT INVENTED THE NAACP!!
"I urge you to try patrolling a polling place carrying a baton this November. Let's see what happens."
— that depends on the color of his skin, Spanky
ErikNW,
Since you are a convicted child molester, your accusations do not carry much weight.
Do you deny being a child molester?
Do you condemn child molestation?
Are their any child molesters in the Democratic party? Will you distance yourself from the child molesters in the democratic party?
Tru dat! One set of rules for whites, no rules for others.
At this point no….I need a traveling partner and don't have one. My husband is in his busiest season at work so he is out and I don't feel like that particular trip is one I want to make without a friend. I have one more friend that I that may be able to make it….my doc…she is busy with her practice though….but it has been on my mind to talk with her about it. I may just stay home and pray for you all on that day!
You will be on my mind that day if I do or don't….
Viva La Raza!
Fixt 4 u:
"Liberal/Progressives are willing to give more of other people's money and have them pay more so that MORE will vote Democrat.."
This is amazing, I was thinking about this exact same thing yesterday. It is my opinion that Godwin should have included Racism specifically along with Nazis and/or Hitler It should read Nazis and/or Hitler and/or Racism because the Racism is the worst thing about Hitler and the Nazis. It's their Racism that causes them to be interjected into debates in the first place.
Ignore any and all charges of racism. Don't say the word, don't issue countercharges. Furthermore, as a Tea Party-er I can say with authority that our rallies and meetings are actually somewhat lame and tame. We are mostly retired and/or veterans and family people who become most emotional when "…one nation under God.." is recited as part of the pledge.
JOS,
Your gig is up. Just curious, is your 180 degree philosophical shift the result of an experiment here on BigGov? Was it a wager?
It is quite evident that the person who made this thoughtful comment is not the same person who made this primitive one 8 weeks ago.
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“8 weeks ago @ Big Government – DC Bank Protest: So, S… • 4 replies • -16 points
The notion that those who hoard and accumulate wealth are entitled to keep it is outdated. And dangerous. Anything beyond subsistence and necessity is purely not congruous with the modern state of Man.”
— Joseph_of_Steel
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My question is, did you take over your evil roommate’s BigGov account, or were you just impersonating a Huff Po troglodyte up unitl a week ago?
What gives, JOS?
So true. Everyone needs to put down the Hitler nerf gun. It makes both conservatives and liberals look foolish and the discussion never moves beyond ridiculous hyperbole.
Here is a link to that Lewis Black piece if anyone is curious.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-12-2010...
Lewis Black: funniest man in America.
Hold the press-Bush is no longer President. Discuss issues.
I'm afraid to tell you I heard regular complaints from conservatives about Bush's spending while he was in office. You want to act like we were all ok with big spending back then, but the truth is we weren't. Though I could agree that many Republicans will overlook some things while a Republican is in power. But the same thing happens with the majority of Democrats. This comes from the fact that the majority of both sides are completely ignorant to the hard facts. You'll have a problem, however, trying to come here where most are far more informed than your average citizen and tell us how we don't care about spending or government expansion when a Republican does it. Real conservatives would have been against Medicare expansion.
There are plenty of ignorant hacks in the majority of both parties. Which is why we keep getting people like Rick Perry re-elected here in Texas. You think a real conservative wants Rick Perry in office? No way! But somehow he keeps getting voted right back in.
It's similar to the argument that "capitalism has failed". Our markets have been moving further and further away from the free-market ideals that built this country up. You are making an argument against something that doesn't exist. In your case, it's the argument that conservatives didn't care about the liberalesque decisions made by the Bush administrations. Your argument is based in a reality that only exists in your head.
Well spoken. I'm guilty of allowing trolls like Wasilla Grizzly goad me into things I regret posing, so this article was a wakeup for the site.
ON this you are definitely correct. I don't know who to attribute this statement, "All causes start out as a movement, go on to become a business and then advance to a racket", but it applies to the NAACP and is unfortunate.
Well spoken and I would love to have someone in the Administration explain the same principle to President Obama concerning foreign relations. The world does abhor a vaccum and will always side with "The Strong Horse".
Please back up your accusation with some facts. Looking forward to your answers.
You can park a horse in the garage and call it a car, but it still a horse. A Christian NO-a zealot YES
Look, Barrack, this is embarrassing. Don't you have better things to do than post on Conservative websites? Go golfing or something. (P.S. your posting name gives you away, next time try something not so obvious. You know, like "luvmyprompter".)
Let's hope no hivemind asserts any kind of control.
Well, Spencer Ackerman has provided us with the smoking gun for that kind of crap.
It need never be taken seriously again.
Ahhh, are you one of them 'skinheads' I've heard so much about? How cute you are.
JOS,
Your gig is up. Just curious, is your 180 degree philosophical shift the result of an experiment here on BigGov? Was it a wager?
It is quite evident that the person who made this thoughtful comment is not the same person who made this primitive one 8 weeks ago.
— — —
“8 weeks ago @ Big Government – DC Bank Protest: So, S… • 4 replies • -16 points
The notion that those who hoard and accumulate wealth are entitled to keep it is outdated. And dangerous. Anything beyond subsistence and necessity is purely not congruous with the modern state of Man.”
– Joseph_of_Steel
— — —
My question is, did you take over your evil roommate’s BigGov account, or were you just impersonating a Huff Po troglodyte up unitl a week ago?
What gives, JOS?
Ike,
I think it's more about how much power we have to control our own lives. That is all the tea partiers are asking — for the power to control thier own destiny — not a guarantee of wealth or success, or to have control over others.
The other side — the Progressives — want control over others' lives in the most fundamental ways (a large chunk of every $ toiled for, the doctors we can see, a fee for every time we turn on the lights, a fee for exhaling CO2, etc.)
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I agree completely. It is simply so infuriating to me, after all the years of propaganda about race, that it is repeated that blacks and Hispanics cannot be racist – even taught in colleges – but without knowing more than my race, I am racist.
It is entirely about how much power we have over ourselves and our own lives. My life is mine, not President Obama's, not President Bush's, no one's but mine.
Explain what you mean by, wanting to control your thoughts and actions, and explain how conservatives choose good,and Liberals evil.
Does the welfare state do a better job at providing equality of opportunity to its citizens? The simple answer is yes. In the welfare states of western Europe, universal healthcare is the norm. In the United States, the quality of healthcare that a child receives still depends upon the income of his parents. Access to higher education in the US is denied to most poor individuals. Our nation’s top colleges are so prohibitively expensive that only the upper class can afford to pay tuition. Contrast that to many other western nations, where college is free. It is reasonable to conclude that the system we have in the US does not provide equality of opportunity as well as welfare states.
It all comes down to equality of opportunity, I have a hard time understanding how Jesus would be against that!!
Corporate Greed and the Religion of Wealth: In the temple courts [Jesus] found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and other sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. [John 2:14 & 15.] Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.] Truly, I say unto you, it will be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23] You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24
Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute you; [Matthew 5:44
Now that were all racist lets move on and remove the corruption from Washington. The real racist of them all.
Give the trail lawyers a new avenue for making money. If someone calls you racist Sue them in court. That will put an end to all of the BS
Does the welfare state do a better job at providing equality of opportunity to its citizens? Absolutely not. The states ration health care, and all of their programs. Even the Brits are turning some of their health care back to the private sector. If the private sector is failing, to suggest that the only alternative is to bloat the govt and turn over your option to the voter base that supports that govt, is a false choice. Public programs are one option and just a little tiny bit of research will show you that they are the least effective in results AND in administration.
Now that everyone can get govt health care (in a few years), those of us who have it in the private sector will be paying for the govt programs, any charities–because the govt program does not meet God's requirement for taking care of one's family and community as it is a GOVT program bringing "glory" to the govt–and the benefit we bargained for in our pay package has been reduced to nothing because it is a perk everyone gets. Then, when the load of the public getting private carriers to cover them despite actuarial totals will crash the private systems, thus resulting in the govt riding in on their white horse with a single-payer program. Then everyone will have the same crappy health care.
It is sub-standard be cause I have it already as a military spouse. I am grateful for what I have, but am STUNNED that people would choose it for themselves. Then again, leeches love free.
#3 cont
It is a false equality. Jesus taught that is a man will not work, neither shall he eat. If someone requires charity, it is the responsibility of the individual Christian to discern their response. THe govt enables and enslaves with its "free programs". They are built on the backs of free producers and given out in a manner inconsistant with GOd's direction–absent personal responsibility of both the giver and the receiver. Freebies DESTROY dignity. God gets no glory from the govt meeting a human need. The govt replaces God in the same way that the welfare check has replaced the head of the family. It has destroyed families the way that irresponsible redistribution of wealth destroys communities. One cannot argue that everyone getting crappy health care is better than some peope getting what they have worked for, others getting the crap the govt supports and still others getting charity, Freedom is not equality of result, it is equality of opportunity.
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The opportunty to get free health care or a grade infalted Marxist indoctrinated education at an Ivy League school is not what the idea of equality of opporrtunity is all about. BEsides, I don't have the same opportunity as minorities have to get that expensive education. I am not part of their quota equation. God is about freedom of the individual to choose and FEEL the consequences, good or bad. He is about personal responsibility.
How wrong it is to equate the teachings of Christianity with the abdication of your personal responsibility to provide for yourself and others. HOw wrong it is to take the verses in the last paragraph so very out of context and try to club me with them. You have an immature understanding of the nature of God. If that is the most of what your religion teaches you, you need to go somewhere else and dig deeper. Compassion and enabling are mutually exclusive. There is a time to beat your plowshares back into swords, my friend. For me that occurs when people try to use the Bible to support their twisted view of the government taking over the fruits of my labor. Read the Federalist PApers and study up on the concept of Natural Law
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Your arguments are 1. Basic and very like the baby-talk of the MArxists/Big govt proponents who think that daddy is gonna come and buy them a new car. They act as though if I have a dollar, they should have some of it. That is certainly envy, greed and when they allow the govt to take that money for them, they are accomplices to theft.
cont. #6
2. I have no guilt about how I spend my charitable dollar because I know that if I give it to teh govt to reditribute to their voting base, the "needy" person gets a whole 30m cents. If I support the free clinic downtown, the needy person gets 80-95 cents. I am responsible for the discrepancy in how much of my money has actually gone to the one in need. That money has gone to someone who does ? with it. Dunno, and I am responsible to know. That is why charity is not the govt.'s business, but is the business of one citizen to another citizen with a greater need.
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3. Corporate greed is no better than the greed of the person who wants to redistribute the fruits of my labor according to whatever their twisted whim. Why should I be funding the murder of the unborn? No Christian in good conscience can politically support that. Yet, they do. That is what happens when you let sectarians make the decisions of where your money goes. God requires HIs servants to grow his money wisely and use impeccable stewardship. Why should I be able to go to the govt and complain that I can't afford Harvard? A cheaper education can be just as good. These institutions have iniflated reputations. Also, there is enough evidence to build a strong case that govt student aid inflates the costs of higher education. The citizenry used to provide all of this without the govt. Jesus did not object to making money, he objected to profaning the Temple, your point? Because I wish to control where my money goes and what possessions my work provides has no relation to the concept of greed or a religion of wealth. The fruits of my labor are mine separate of my motives.
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I don't have time to edit for structure, but I can guarantee you that you are not on theologically sound ground with your argument. You have confused compassion with enabling. You have abdicated your responsibility to look someone in the face and discern their need. You have given to Ceasar what is Ceasar's , and added what is God's–free will and individual personal responsibility were HIS DESIGN. Your feelings have confused you. GOd doesn't make choices based on whether he feels bad or good. He makes them based on absolute principles. You bloodsuicking selfish, evil Bible-twisters make me sick. He also said to flee evil. Your twisting of the Word to steal from me so you can make less responsible choices is evil…therefore, I flee.
And, I put myself through college with NO help from any "rich" people. It took longer, but that was also my choice. That statement that poor people are denied access is a pile of garbage. Alie perpetuated by race-baiters and class warfare proponents. If a person wants sopmething badly enough, they will get it. You are also assuming that college is something that everyone should have. Oh, I could go on and on. Baby-talk from an immature child looking for daddy to bail him/her out. Selfish child insisting that everyone else move down so they can move up. Big govt is an anchor around the neck of the free man. If you have not arrived at that conclusion, your free will has already been turned over to the slavemaster. You are stopped from your best self by only your idea that someone else is stopping you. Bleed all over someone who is willing to bleed with you. I say Cowboy up, dude. Have a little pride in yourself and DO something to be proud of. Sponging off the fruits of others is not noble. NOw I have to go and make some money so I can do something nice for my widowed mother.
If you have it, and you do not like it, give it up, cancel your military insurance, and get a private plan, why stay with something you feel is substandard?
Who would do a better job than we the people, to ensure that we the people have equality, unless you believe that the private sector would give a rats ass about equality of opportunity.
Ummmm, a customer who has choices. Equality of opportunity, as you use the term is a non-starter. There is no basis for assuming there should be the same reward no matter the effort.
You have perfectly illustrated my point. Our health care is the result of our choice. We pay outside the system for things not available in the system. The level of health care we have as a military family is a result of the choice we have made. It is substandard and has led us into places where the good doctors do not accept the plan, but it is our CHOICE. No one foisted it upon us by decree as this national program would. NO one has the right ot demand I pay their health care. Especially when private charities are so much more efficient and so much less soul-sucking than a govt program.
…and again, you have assumed that it is the system as is or the govt program. False choice
One of Jack Bauer's enemies did that a few seasons back. Didn't help much and he got caught up in a chain that somehow became wrapped around his neck.
The same reward no matter effort? I think you are confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcome, they are two entirely different views, and I in no way support equality of outcome!! You need to explain to me, why you think a society is better served by a system that provides for the wealthiest among us? Why must you be wealthy in order to have good health care, or why must you be wealthy to go to the best schools? Does it not best serve society to have equal opportunity to succeed ?
Get rid of your government health care completely!!! If you believe it to be substandard, get rid of it, don't supplement it, get rid of it completely and stop being a hypocrite!!! If you have a choice why would you stay with a health care plan that you call substandard.
Jesus also said, "Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock. And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away." (1 Peter 5:2-4 KJV
I would like to see the government STOP spending trillions of our dollars on resource wars that benefit a handful of very powerful multi national corporations, and yes once they stop spending our money on things that go BANG! I would like to see the peoples money spent on the people, but as long as the corporate elite, and corporate media are in control I doubt we will ever see that day.
Once again, equality of opportunity is NOT charity!!!!! It is EQUAL OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE!!!!! If you are sick WHY should the guy with more money than you get better care? If you want to further your education WHY should the guy with more money than you get a better education?
WHY SHOULD YOU OR I BE FUNDING THE MURDER OF THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Answer, how a good Christian can support the killing of thousands of innocent people, by use of military weaponry?
How does a Christian support capital punishment!!
You are the one who brought up moral absolutes, so you SHOULD know the meaning, don't be a hypocrite!!!!!!
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