How Republicans Can Stop The Health Care Bill in 3 Steps
by Thomas Del BeccaroThe stakes in the health care debate continue to climb. For the Democrats, they truly are in between a self- imposed Barack and a hard place. If they produce a health care bill that Obama signs over the objections of the American people, they risk losing 55 or more House seats and 8-10 Senate seats. If they don’t push through a bill, they will have angered yet another part of their base.
For the Republicans, any failure to demonstrate a principled resistance to the Democrats will hurt them, in the Fall, among Tea Party voters and their base. If it passes, it will do irrevocable harm to our health care system and the solvency of our government, while hurting the economy and the dollar for decades to come. Worse yet, history has shown that de-nationalizing socialized healthcare is beyond difficult. In other words, hoping for the repeal of ObamaCare is not a good option.
That much danger requires that the Republicans pull out all of the stops to literally stop its passage. As the “final” vote on the bill looms, Republicans in Congress simply must enlist the voice of the American people in their effort and force the Democrats to abandon the bill. Here is a 3 point plan to do just that.
1. Adopt a HealthCare Covenant With America. The existing health care bill represents everything that is wrong with American government today. It is a 2600 page monolith and few have any idea of its true contents – as Nancy Pelosi so eloquently noted (“But we have to pass the [health care ] bill so that you can find out what is in it.”) Republicans quickly and simply must contrast that with a one page charter, contract, or declaration. which sets forth 7 – 10 key reforms in simple straightforward language. The contents should obviously emphasize private sector reforms, such as the promotion of HealthCare Savings Accounts (“HSAs”), coupled with the modernization of government regulations, i.e. updated regulations/laws to allow increased pooling across state lines – all with an eye to addressing the deficiencies of the current health care system.
2. Have Republican Candidates Take the HealthCare Covenant Pledge. Leaders in Congress and the RNC should then work to have each Congressional candidate take a HealthCare Covenant Pledge to effect that they will vote for those reforms if elected to Congress. It should become central plank for all Congressional candidates this Fall.
3. Revolutionize The Marketing/Promotion of The Covenant. Republicans can’t run against City Hall from within City Hall. If they are trailing in votes in the halls of Congress, they need to empower the voters outside of Washington. To do that, Republicans cannot conduct business as usual. They need to market this Health Care Covenant in a completely different manner.
As soon as practical, the Republicans should declare a HealthCare Covenant Day. On that day:
(a) Republicans should hold a National Townhall using a coalition of the willing cable television and radio outlets. That National Townhall should be used to promote the virtues of the HealthCare Covenant while demonstrating the vast shortcomings of ObamaCare. As part of that effort, Republicans should organize watch parties coupled with voter registration drives across the country; and
(b) Republicans should flood the new media (Internet/blogs) and the old media (newspapers) with editorials reinforcing the virtues of the HealthCare Covenant while demonstrating the vast shortcomings of ObamaCare; and
(c) Republicans should invite Tea Party groups and others to hold demonstrations that day; and
(d) Republicans should flood talk radio shows around the Country, leading up to the Townhall, with guests that reinforce the message; and
(e) Republicans should email vital details across the nation to activists and encourage them to contact Democrat lawmakers.
The vast majority of Americans are against this healthcare takeover. It is time for Republicans to enlist their support in a meaningful way as part of a peaceful revolt. If they don’t, America may never be the same. If they do, it will be a victory for Republicans and a more important victory for America.
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Three steps?
Ready.
Aim.
Fire.
If you stand with the people who wrote the CONSTITUTION and their vision of America and stand against those that would undermine the constitution the people will stand with you!
On a serious point, your third item would give the GOP the biggest advantage. Marketing. Whether it is cigarettes, gasoline, booze or Health Care, it is all in marketing and presentation. The GOP has fallen flat on their collective faces, in the non-marketing issue revolving around this Health Care Hoax.
Frankly, the GOP has not tightened its ranks and presented a solid front. Whether id is the GOP, or the RNC, neither has done a fraction compared to what the Tea Party and grassroots movements have done towards fighting off this government assault on our daily freedoms. If it weren't for the Tea Party, this Health Care Hoax would have been passed last summer.
I like the way you think…and they 'all fall down'!
How about if it is so great for the masses it is great for the elites as well. I say DEMAND the elites in D.C. have to sign on to Chaobama Care too.
I have said that from the very beginning, and still stand on it. Those 545 buffoons in DC calling the shots are our employees. Their health care should be equal to ours. I have always paid for health care for my employees, and it is the best that money can buy. I do not, however, provide my employees with coverage that is better, or exceeds mine.
In the famous words of El Rushbo…. Right On ! Right On ! Right On ! (last sentence of second paragraph)
End taxation of medical care expenses for everyone. Insurance, medical supplies and procedures, drugs etc.
Simple to implement, real benefit to real people right now.
Do it!
I'd have to agree with 'cowboy logic'… the Republican Party doesn't seem capable of fighting their way out of a wet paper bag. Once again..there are millions of us out here looking for some leadership..many have no idea what to do. And there are allot of things that would help..simple and easy..call every congressman and tell him you oppose it..and keep calling. Instead, the GOP just keeps begging for more money..no more money until they get their act together..
One way you can do that is to sign Louisiana Congressman John Fleming's petition:
http://fleming.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=55
Not that it will make any difference, but there are a lot of worse ways to waste a couple of minutes of your time.
I blame the RINOs for where we are today. RINOs need to be hunted to extinction.
Awww, now it won't be a surprise…..
NY STATE ASSEMBLYMAN FELIX "THE gwtioa CAT" ORTIZ SPOILS PELOSI'S HEALTH CARE SURPRISE
http://naturalfake.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/ny-st...
Exactly! They keep talking about this bill being paid for in part by fixing the fraud. If they know how to fix it, they don't need the bill to get it done. And if they do need the bill passed to fix the fraud, then that means they need more control over all of us (which is what the bill is really about)!
Fraud is a crime. There are already laws against that.
I think engaging the public to fight Obamacare is the right idea. There are millions of us that are frustrated with not being able to do much more than write our rep's. The Dem;s obviously don't care about the polls that show a huge majority of the country is against this bill, they are willing to fall on their swords for the O, but if they pass this monstrosity we will have to live with it. It's time for a huge show of outrage that they are ignoring the will of the people.
We have 2 failed entitlements already. I think the evidence is clear and incontovertible. The government is grossly incompetent. I really think another entitlement will be the death knell for America. I am not sure what the republican party is doing, I understand there is a majority of democrats, but these guys really need constitutional scholars scouring this legislation, and this entire process and start looking for legal reasons to slap it down.
I can say this, I WILL NOT PURCHASE INSURANCE MANDATED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PERIOD!
I was born free and intend to die free. I will not be a SLAVE for the COLLECTIVE. I will not be forced to be altruistic. I will not be forced by my GOVERNMENT to work and pay so someone else can sit on their collective arse and do nothing except demand that their INVENTED rights be granted!
But this health care and cap and Trade is about so much more than we all are being told … its why the Government officials don’t want the same health care coverage …..
http://kevboyle.blogspot.com/2010/03/bill-gates-p...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32KUpo0MqHo&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic4tL7sri4U&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U4GmcJLkoc
I hope the RNC is paying attention. It seems like we have pockets of excellence emerging. But, based on past performance the party has a lot to prove to most citizens. This is NOT the time for us to "trust but verify". It is the time for them to "say it, do it, repeat, and state the fact-based case for trust".
I cannot believe that anyone who pays taxes can believe that the government is capable of running a major entitlement program without running huge defecits. The biggest problem of all is when they try to sell us something when everything else they have sold us has come in over budget and below expectation. The public as a whole can have a very short memory when they go to the polls.
With a few exceptions, most of the current crop of RINOs don't want to fight this bill, McCain, Graham and others are offering amendments so they can compromise with the Dems, Not kill it. This bipartisanship BS is going to destroy our country and needs to stop Now!!. As to a covenant even if they do one they will break it within days if not hours after they sign it, and even if they don't it's not legally binding on any of them, even if it's deemed legal to start with, which I doubt re: Article I Sec.6 Clause1, and even if legal it would not be binding on the next crop of RINO's to come into office unless they too sign it.
We need to weed out the GOP invertebrates as much as we do the Dem weasels. There are some smart, principled men in the GOP but they don't appear to have spines. They need to look to Michelle Bachmann for their cue!
But this health care and cap and Trade is about so much more than we all are being told … its why the Government officials don’t want the same health care coverage …..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32KUpo0MqHo&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic4tL7sri4U&fe...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1U4GmcJLkoc
"I WILL NOT PURCHASE INSURANCE MANDATED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT PERIOD!"
I beg of you to hold to your convictions. The more of your type off the streets and in jail the better. It's long past time we allowed you ignorant government teat sucking rednecks scam the system.
Us liberals feel a responsibility to take care of ourselves and not let the taxpayers pick up the bill when we get sick.
Pass what? Toxic fumes out D.C. Hey stupid, Charlie Rangle could pay his back taxes and that would start the funding process.
watch this and the 2 other videos of this topic you will start to see what the real reasons for health care and cap and trade are . wake up America !!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32KUpo0MqHo&fe...
here is the push behind obama care , wake up America !!!!!!
http://www.warsocialism.com/America.htm
Anon? I see you have a extremely creative mind.
Field Marshall Mac Daddy:
1-Ready
2-Fire
3-Aim
NO! Even if congress had to sign on, do you really think they would be subject to what we would be? They would find their own sweet deals, just like they are doing now with everything. They are corrupt (most of them) and cannot be trusted. This healthcare bill simply cannot go thru and if it does, we must rise up and squash it. We would have to have a tax revolt first…..if that didn't work…..well, hmmmm….think think
Yes! All of congress needs to be like Ms. Bachmann! Why aren't they? Even my congressmen, while quite conservative, are not screaming!!!! Why not? That's why I will not be voting for those guys again and I told them as such.
"If it weren't for the Tea Party, this Health Care Hoax would have been passed last summer."
Yeah right. "Keep your government hands off my Medicare" cried the teabagger.
The teabaggers are killing what little credibility the GOP had left.
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Three Steps:
1. FIRE
2. Re-Load
3. FIRE
Steele and the Republicans must grow a pair or they will be replaced by people who are not afraid to stand up to and obstruct in very way possible, when necessary the marxists currently in power. That means bye bye McCain and Gramnesty, for starters. We the People are NOT putting up with the status quo RINOs any longer, period.
pay attention to whats said in this site about Marxist capitalism .. tell me that the world economic collapse was not staged to uhser in the new wave of eugenics ????
http://www.clubofrome.org/eng/cor_news_bank/19
Oh yes, the ignorant raise their ugly heads again.
I do enjoy your posts
I agree whole heartedly, Cowboy. We might broaden the scope of your suggestion with a Constitutional amendment that Congress shall not exempt themselves from any law that affects the people of the United States.
Of course, this presupposes that they follow the Constitution, and so far I haven't seen it.
anon is the reason why the lobotomy was made illegal. If he believes what he is saying than the ignorance in some quarters of the US knows no bounds.
It is rather amusing that the Republicans with the biggest balls are women: Bachman and Palin.
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And their best idea to fix the fraud is to have 'secret shoppers'??? Give me an effing break!!
Congressional Ethics is an oxymoron.
The best way for the government to stop fraud in the healthcare system is to get the HELL out of the health care system.
God you are so stupid.
The Democrats will counterattack by claiming that this is a givaway to big, evil insurance companies. They are more opposed to private business than they are to the poor not having insurance, in spite of the fact that the insurance companies would benefit from and have crafted their legislation, not to mention their campaign contributions.
We need to emphasize enhanced competition between private businesses, encourage the development of private non-employer based options, put coverage decisions in the hands of the consumer, and make clear that health care must not become an entitlement.
The whole reason we are even having a debate about health care is because we have been told we have a CRISIS in the skyrocketing costs of insurance! Oh NO!!!!! People can't afford it!! People are going without because they can't afford it!! There are deaths, here. And several sob stories which prove it.
The irony? None of the bills presented fix the problem of cost and actually cause costs to continue to grow. If that is not a symbol of the complete fustercluck we have in DC right now and in the Whitehouse, I really don't know what is.
I do pity you. You missed out on Gods greatest gift. That thing between your ears…It’s called a brain. Much like a muscle when it get used it gets stronger. If you put your progressive talking points down and exercised your grey matter, you may be able to articulate something better than the drool that rolls from your tongue. If you wish to be lazy, then close your flapper and keep your drool to yourself.
Should he do so, it may open the door for charges of treason. Once that door is open, pandora will have a healthy jump on the subversive element in congress.
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You've got to be kidding me, liberal! It's because of morons like you that we give free health care to illegal aliens who are bankrupting our hospitals. We will indeed hold to our convictions. They can't jail all of us. Our prisons are already overcrowded. One-third of the prisoners in my state are illegal aliens. JUST SAY NO to Obamacare!
Agreed. They are leaving it to the troops to spread the message and as a result, look like disorganized cowards.
Great plan Mr. Del Baccaro! The only flaw I see is exposing the poseurs ensconced within the GOP and RNC and neutralizing them so that someone with some common sense, patriotism, and the courage of their convictions can lead the way. I have not seen that person yet … any suggestions?
I like this. Free Market solution, simple.
Great contrast. People are really feeling oppressed right now.
In all seriousness, how can anyone even remotely expect the Federal Government to run something as complicated as Health Care, consisting of 17% of the economy. A number of years back, the Feds seized the Mustang Ranch and ran it into the ground. That wasn't nearly as complicated as Health Care, it was a simple whorehouse across the creek.
rope, tree, politician….some assembly required…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8UhsXhEl4o
And Lynchburg is just a short drive from DC…
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Now that BO has changed the dates of his vacation, ut oh, watch out the POTUS is stomping his feet again! The longer this goes on the more I see children – much as a 3 year old with beg and plead to get their way – it is utterly nauseating and it has gone beyond the point of what any reasonable person can tolerate. And anon you f*wit, do tell why this joke hasn't passed yet?
I would think the constitutionality would be an issue here. If the progressives were to get it passed, the first act should be petitioning the SCOTUS for an injunction against implementation. As 36 states have or are drafting legislation to exempt their citizens from this onerous bill, I think that would have great weight in determination of legality. The upcoming vote is merely a face-saving gesture and I for one plan to stay in their face.
Love it!
I remeber that. The irs took it over because of back taxes and attempted to run it themselves. they couldnt even sell women and whisky. i live in nevada and remember it well.
Democrat strategy in three steps:
Fire
???
???
Then enforce them…duh.
Why do we need the Gov't to get their claws on complete control of Heath care for 300+ million people when it's just as easy for them to twist and tweak existing policy to alleviate the pain the private sector is feeling? It sounds like something a Marxist would do.
Oh wait…
More like:
Vote
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They admit that they don't know what's in the bill.
Agreed that the primary credit goes to the Tea Partiers. But also to Limbaugh, Levine, and the rest of the talkers who have faught tooth and nail to defeat this. Also, give credit to Breitbart, Fox, and the rest of the up and coming media.
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Great Idea Harry, especially since they are a necessity item and non-Prodoction. Still, they are a Corp, licensed to do business and earn a profit.
Why can't it be stopped with our 10th Amendment, which they are violating? Isn't this a "no-brainer"?
Saw recent ad that has a colorful pie chart. The pie chart indicates that hospitals consume the bulk of the health care dollars. The solution to that is, more hospitals. Obviously they don't have enough competition.
What are they going to do? Build special prisons for people who refuse to buy government insurance? Would they be like debtors prisons used to be in England?
It's funny how I'll abdicate my responsibility to buy health care, something I've always done since I could afford it, once the government forces me to do it. They can kiss my @ss!
It reminds me of the movie The Money Pit. Only instead of just two people going under with cost, it's all 300 million of us.
Here we go again. The current system is broken. That is right, broken. Hospitals and the government pass down the costs of the uninusered to the persons who have health insurance and pay taxes. I know this is a hard truth, but if you do not have health insurance, you are part of the problem. An HSA. I am LMAO. My son's proton radiation treatment cost $250,000. Better start saving. More and more businesses are dropping their insurance coverage because of costs. So, this means, the rates keep going up because there is a smaller pool. I have a question for all you smart people, who do you think pays the cost of the uninsured? Hmmmm. I know. Santa Claus.
Anon, you have your name spelled wrong. It's I-D-I-O-T.
So the solution to the problem is for the government to meddle with the system even more? Government is a large part of what broke it, so more of that fixes it? Please! Get a clue.
"What are they going to do? Build special prisons for people who refuse to buy government insurance?"
Probable start with taking your property. And if you think they can't you've obviously had no experience with the IRS.
It's actually quite simple. Simply throw a lien on any property you own.
And why wouldn't you simply keep the insurance you have?
God you people are stupid.
Mr. Del Becarro, you are a new founder and true Patriot. Your articles need to get into all media. Call to Action for all TEA Parties, let's get Mr. Del Becarro's articles out.
http://northalabamapatriotsteaparty.com/
Mr. Del Becarro, you are a new founder and true Patriot. Your articles need to get into all media. Call to Action for all TEA Parties, let's get Mr. Del Becarro's articles out.
http://northalabamapatriotsteaparty.com/
Shouldn't preventing waste, fraud and abuse be the job of the people running Medicare??? Fire them all and get some people that will do their job!
In the private sector waste, fraud and abuse get stopped in their tracks.
This isn't rocket surgery!!
I was thinking three steps off a two step bridge.
No. I never said that. As far as who needs to get a clue, answer the question moron. Who do you think picks up the tab for the uninusered. The Easter Bunny?
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How true. I just sent both my GOP Senators letters thanking them for voting yes on the lastest round of spending. They just can't seem to say no to spending money that we don't have. I'll be voting aginst both of them as soon as I can.
I thought some Republican would come out of the closet and fill in the void, but have seen nothing yet that makes me want to get real excited about the 2012 election.
I totally agree. Did anyone else get that solicitation from the RNC whining about not renewing membership? It actually asks for comments so I commented. They are trying to play nice with people who redefine the word minute by minute to suit their purposes. When one is dealing with a bully one must stand up and be strong not slink to the side of the sandbox hoping he will go away. This is a really pivotal time in our republic, We The People know what to do. It's time for the GOP/RNC to man up or get out of the way.
Passing a bill with lies and treachery is no way for a country to act.
Cowboy, this is Janet. Stop it!
rhino we need to VOTE!!! Let each and every member representing you know they are outa here in Nov. then we'll see some action. We still have the vote, we need to use it.
Yes.
I believe in giving credit where credit is due.
Wherein Madame Pelosi stuck her brogan shoe in her mouth last summer, stating the Tea Partiers were "astroturf", it has rolled forward, gathering more momentum with each passing day. People are angry, and they aren't going to shut up and go home.
Granted, talk radio, and talk TV opinion shows have done alot to get the message out, but the Tea Partiers are the front line footsoldiers. They are the ACORN community organizers for the right. That is what torques the left off so bad. Never has such a colorful gaggle of misfits accomplished so much, other than the original American Revolution. Sometimes, when I look at Tea Party crowds, it reminds me of a Grateful Dead concert.
Because, moron, the insurance I have will only last for a few years before it too is altered by the new rules and becomes a behemoth eating up roughly 1/5 of our yearly income to maintain, by mandate. This is always assuming that my husband's employer continues to carry insurance as the rates go up.
When honest people are discussing taking out a legal divorce in order to dodge the onerous mandated cost of family insurance because the mandated rates for individuals are so much lower. Then you start to look at paying the tax penalty, also much cheaper than the mandated yearly premium.
Sorry, I don't work five days/week so that the income of 1 1/2 of those days goes to government as taxes, the income of one of those days goes to insurance (forced on me by government), and I'm left with the yield of only 2 to 2 1/2 days with which to try to scrimp a living for me and mine.
Stupid people are ones who support a plan that will only make costs go up, for everyone.
I have been Independent all my life, yet have always supported the RNC. No more. I told them bluntly to kiss my ass. I'll never give another dime to them. Steele needs to go get a job as a janitor.
"the insurance I have will only last for a few years"
Because Rush says so? Is that how it is?
The exchanges expand choices you imbecile. It is today that folks have no choices. Including the choice of getting treatment where one chooses. The insurance companies have taken care of that.
God you people are stupid.
So, take a moment and think about what you said yourself. Insurance companies pass the cost to us, and we know how government is cost effective in so many ways. If you believe that I have some swamp land in Az. to sell you.
The short fact is that the U.S. federal govt. does not do anything well enough that it should be allowed to do very much at all.
Re-elect no one
Amen brother. I find it really interesting and rather amazing how Americans of all stripes have come together to oppose more and more of what this administration is trying to do. Gives me great hope for our future. I've wondered just how many of these congress-cretins will have to lose their cushy jobs in Nov before the rest sit up and pay attention. The elections in Va/Nj/Ma recently gave some indication. Now We The People must keep the pressure on…..vote!
You know that old adage about power corrupting and absolute power corrupting absolutely? Well thats whats happened. Even the best of people can be tempted by the power/perks these bozos vote for themselves. Thats why they don't listen. They've lost ALL contact with the reality we all live in. Well come Nov they will be in contact cause many of them will be looking for jobs. And I will bet the ones left will be paying much more attention to the will of their employers.
The fact remains that big insurance by refusing care to patients and reimbursement to doctors over typos has ticked everyone off. They have a monopoly over the whole process and a well financed lobby team (including Lieberman's wife) and representatives on both sides of the isle.
A friend of mine recently laid off just he and his spouse is paying $2,500.00 dollars a month for his COBRA. Health insurance costs more than his mortgage. Anyone taking up the insurance industry's cause doesn't know what they are talking about.
If you think the insurance companies are going to voluntarily lower their cost while having a monopoly over the process – you are being disingenuous …Over 60% of all US bankruptcies are attributable to medical problems. Most victims are middle class, well educated and have health insurance – (The American Journal of Medicine)
The insurance companies and their representatives in Congress would love to perpetuate a business model that is crippling our overall economy – a bunch of great Americans aren’t they?
90% of the wealth concentrated in 1% of the population is no way to run a country but a heck of a way to establish a royalty ruling class. Yacht sales can not sustain 350 million people. I'm for the public option, competition and a level playing field or break up the big insurers like we did AT&T.
A slavish focus on profit margin might be good for the individual or a business, but it is one helluva lousy way to "govern" a Country. The GOP and the major media outlets being wholly owned subsidiaries of Corporate America have a hard time with that concept.
Paul Burke
Author-Journey Home
Best comment I've read in a long time.
I just sent it to Micheal Steele.
I'm an RN. I work in a hospital ER. I can tell you the mandates from government have been flying at us fast and furious and that is only at the direct patient care level. I can only imagine what is going on in medical records, the pharmacy etc. The best solution to the "health care crisis" is to get the government OUT OF OUR WAY!
Sorry.
I'll report to Room 101.
Now THAT, is funny.
jorneeyman, you are a complete liar. No way COBRA costs $2,500. I pay $500 per month. Your lieing is why people are getting turned off by these Statist Socialists. Lie, cheat, steal. You are scum.
I know this is hard for you, but I never said the government was efficient. I also never said I was in favor of a government run health care system. Sorry to burst your bubble. The concept that you and all the so called "conservatives" on this page do not understand is there is no such thing as a free lunch. Last year there were 900,000 bankruptcies filed due to medical costs. Who do you think picks up this tab? The Tooth Fairy? So what is the Republican Plan? They want to tax, that is right, tax all employer sponsored plans and give everyone a $5,000 credit. Unfortunately, this does not come close to paying the costs for a fairly basic plan and it will drive persons away from being insured if the credit does not cover their tax on their plan. Now go back to your Lala land and your denial.
You think he will read it?
I think BO's diagnosis would be more like Narcissictic Personality Disorder; "an all-pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behaviour), need for admiration or adulation and lack of empathy, usually beginning by early adulthood and present in various contexts".
VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE…….
Enough with the 'pledges'! They all took a pledge to uphold the Constitution. How's that working out for us?
This is not a f-ing boys club. Pinky swear, ok guys? This is a war for the soul of America. A 'pledge' won't cut it.
As the problems with health care are all the fault of the government (tax distortions, susceptibility to lobbying, government mandates, etc.), and everything they do makes things worse, how 'bout the government take a long vacation and let us productive types sort it out.
1. Open Medical schools to all qualified applicants.
2. Limit damage awards to 1 million dollars with a10 % attorny cap.
3. Any patient who's coverage is paid by others must waive on the ability to sue the doctor or facility.
4. Prevent trail lawyers from recommending doctors or medical facilities.
if we don't fight hard the three steps will be: 1) Bend over
2) Spread cheeks
3) Grimace
Bob take a breath. Everyone who pays for their insurance pays for the uninsured, there…ok. I'm an ER RN, have been for 30 yrs. I've lived with the ever increasing GOVERNMENTAL regulations on health care which cause the costs to sky rocket. I know it's not quite that simple but comes very close. Who is it won't allow ins. co. to sell across state lines? Who is it who demands we abide by JACHO regulations or they will pull funding? Who is is allows ambulance chasers to sue for what ever they feel like at the moment causing us to over treat to cover our collective behinds? Think about it. How does governmental intrusion in YOUR personal/professional life increase cost/work load etc. This is not a partisan issue.
If you flip through the book of AXIS diagnosis, I'm gonna guess he fits more than a few! I think it might be RAD – reactive attachment disorder, which btw, is almost impossible to 'cure' ~
Still all in all, every thing he does reminds me of a petulant child, just can't get that image out of my mind ~
Rather than a knee jerk "it's all the insurance industries fault" (a red herring the administration wants you to take to obfuscate the real issue) response why don't we consider who makes the insurance companies file all those forms? GOVERNMENTAL mandate!! The system is certainly broken, but how about we allow the economy, personal responsibility, freedom, capitalism i.e. the American way to fix it rather than more government intrusion.
HA!
I've got the opposite problem. My wife is getting on MY nerves with her F this and F that!
Just saw O'Bummer is cancelling his planned trip to stay in town and rescue health care. F THAT!
If we had a ticket of Bachman/Palin we could dub it Bachman Palin Overdrive.
I refuse to call these COMMUNISTS by their preferred name…because what they are after is NOT progress…it is simply CONTROL of the People….they are OPPRESSIVES.
Why else would they decide to BAN RECREATIONAL FISHING…that's right, by executive order!
If this Health care CONTROL bill passes we will see a deluge of bills such as the one in the NY Legislature placing a BAN ON THE USE OF SALT…in all restaurants! NO SALT to be used in the kitchens…with a $1000 fine for each violation! Chefs in the state of NY are already protesting. They would be banned from using prepared foods such as HOT DOGS, bacon, ham, etc. Think about that!
We let them get away with banning SMOKING, Transfats…so now they think they have the green flag to ban everything.
Ortiz of the BAN SALT in RESTAURANTS fame? Yes they will ban SALT, BACON, HOT DOGS, HAM, and all canned foods, preserved foods. SEE…THEY WANT US TO STARVE to DEATH…THEY WANT DE-POPULATION.
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Well, Harley, you are the only honest poster on this page. Governmental regulation is an entirely different matter. If the Republicans had joined the debate instead of demagogueing the bill (death panels, anyone?), maybe just maybe there could have been some progress on a serious problem facing this country.
Republicans can also speak well about Sen Wyden's healthcare reform Bill that was killed by Sen Baucus in the middle of the night. Wyden's plan uses refundable tax credits to enable consumer choice. Bottom line: you work-you get health care.
Baucus killed the bill in the middle of the night facing the mark-up deadline. In order for a Senate Bill to move forward, it has to be scored by the CBO. Even though the results of the CBO scoring for Wyden's Bill had been published in the newspapers, Baucus claimed that the Bill had not been scored and the CBO offices were closed making it impossible not to kill the Bill at expiration.
Oddly, the scoring paperwork had been lost by staff and even more oddly Wyden did not complain. Was he bribed or blackmailed?
And hence the conundrum. To bail on the GOP and form a true third party – a conservative party – would be to hand Obama a second term. Yet I am so disgusted by the GOP, especially after they let Bunning swing in the wind last week, that I want to spit. If a third party forms, I'm in, GOP be damned. However, I hope the RNC can pull its collective head out of its arse at least until after the 2012 election. Then let the Tea Party mature into a third party, and let the GOP wither and die.
Why is Rush running to a commie country like Costa Rica for his health care? I find that really really confusing. Is he a proponant for big government. I don't think so. so why is he going to the Socialist. It's got me very confused.
~Cornhuskered and kicked backed.
I agree 100%. Inbedded Republicans lack balls. Thank you Tea Party movement!
Why is Rush running to a commie country like Costa Rica for his health care? I find that really really confusing. Is he a proponant for big government. I don't think so. so why is he going to the Socialist? It's got me very confused.
And when it doesn't and all of you progs eat each other, take a guess about what you will be then… P'sOS exposed to the open air….
I agree with you.
I know Bunning and have had some conversations with him,and his staff, especially going back to the TARP debacle of 2008. If you will recall he was quite vocal about that, as well as Alabama Senator Saxby Chamblis.
This is payback now to Bunning. The RNC would not fully support his reelection bid this year. They pulled their support for him. Last week was the last slap in the face to him from the GOP. The RNC and Michael Steele are a gutless, corrupt bunch of sumbitches.
Anon.
What happens if people refuse to leave and give up their property? What happens if those people are armed? What happens if somebody says to his fellow neighbors who face the same consequences, "We must die. Our business is not to make a fruitless effort to save our lives, but to choose the manner of our death." He then draws a line in the sand and states, "I now want every man who is determined to stay here and die with me to come across this line." What happens if all of those people but one cross that line? Can you say REMEMBER THE ALAMO? Talk about a lightning rod for the opposition of a Progressive Government and a new rallying cry for CHANGE. If the government seizes your property, sets up blockades, quarters troops, invades with hostility, etc… because you refuse to purchase a GOOD (NOT A RIGHT) that the government is ordering you to to buy that is heavily taxed, then you have a Revolution. This government doesn't have the support of the people, especially those who have served and are still serving our country in an OVERWHELMING MAJORITY. Those forces are what you will need in order to enforce anything that the government mandates. Without the support of those who swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic, your Progressive Government's orders are nothing but meaningless and impotent air. They are empty and hollow words "told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing." Do you honestly think that this administration has the ability and the manhood to stand up to individuals who are armed and refuse to follow their impotent words? How is that hope, change, and extending their hand working out with Iran? Weakness is what defines this administration. You fail to realize that if they ever go to what you are suggesting and ring that bell, CHANGE WILL COME, and it wont be to you and your fellow Progressive's liking. Case Closed.
It's not a conundrum. You only make it one. The path is crystal clear. First throw out the Dems, elect the lessor of two evils and create gridlock. Gridlock is vastly superior to liberal rule. And it's the only way to take back the power from the Dems. After the GOP wins back the presidency in '12, then it's time to form a conservative party. (Assuming the GOP continues to act like Dems w/o taxing, if they start acting like true conservatives then more power to them)
Be on notice now if you are a RINO you should just go join the Dems because you ain't gettin' re-elected either!
You are assuming the are "thinking."
awesome, well said.
"Republicans should hold a National Townhall using a coalition of the willing cable television and radio outlets".
I can count the willing on ONE hand! while the unwilling will take the opportunity to trash the repubs!
Health care is too big to work. The Republicans will stop it. If not, we will all eventually pay for infanticide.
A leader? Ron Paul!!
Don't let the Tea Party get hijacked.
http://therealcoffeeparty.com/
HE CONSTITUTIONAL CODE
1) Defend and secure the borders of the United States of America. Prevent the illegal creation of “sanctuary cities” and enforce immigration laws.
2) Uphold the second amendment and repeal unconstitutional gun laws.
3) End the Federal Reserve’s stranglehold over the American economy.
4) Reject and repeal all international treaties that supersede the U.S. Constitution and violate national sovereignty.
5) Uphold medical privacy and completely outlaw forcible injections.
6) End all invasive, unprovoked and unconstitutional foreign wars.
7) Peacefully take back control of the states from increasing federal encroachment via the 9th and 10th amendments.
8} End the federalization and militarization of law enforcement.
9) End unconstitutional land grabs, neo-feudalism and outlaw carbon taxes fraudulently promoted in the name of climate change.
10) End the unconstitutional use of the Patriot Act against U.S. citizens.
Yes I think it is time for direct action against the National Socialist Workers Party aka the DNC and MSM.
But what? nothing violent but something that causes them to grind to a halt for a while. a real "gridlock" like event such as creating a flashmob traffic jam that lasts for hours whereever OBama is giveing one of his phony speeches. make the MSM cover the scene of ten thousand citizens sitting on the roadway tor two blocks in every direction at his "event." It would cascade and grow as more citizens watch the scene on TV and rush to join the protest. Impromptu Tea party like demonstrations live on the air . The Feds are forced to Helo the phony POTUS from the roof of the convention center—like the fall of Saigon–because citizens are refusing to move for his limosuine. force the big three MSM outfits to cover the story and own up to the own their sh*t for once.
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Whatever exposes him to the greatest chance of bodily injury, I am all for!
I should check into whether or not I can get health coverage from Mexico.
I also like DeMint.
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Amen!! Check out oathkeepers.org
Yes, leadership must be visible and accessible so that real debate can begin. Wake up Republicans. The opportunities for leadership don't come around often and they are always disguised at the time. Just do it!
1776 is coming.
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"Do you honestly think that this administration has the ability and the manhood to stand up to individuals who are armed and refuse to follow their impotent words?"
Yes. I have no doubt. It'd take them one or two days. And you'd be in jail.
Our Declaration of Independence observes:
" That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"
Can we say "CIVIL WAR II"?
It IS constitutional. Just say'n.
Leave it to a progressive like you to know all about teabagging.
You're going to get higher taxes and premiums in exchange for long lines and inferior healthcare. You do know that, don't you? I realize Math isn't your strong suit, so maybe you're just one of the great unwashed looking for a handout?
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Really, anon? Then purchase health insurance. No one is stopping you. BTW, the great unwashed are usually Democrats. You know, the welfare crowd that the Dems like to keep down on the plantation in order to throw them some crumbs every election cycle in exchange for their votes.
It's the Right and the Independents (of which I am one) who pay premiums only to see them go up in addition to facing a tax increase for your socialist healthcare scam.
BWAH! Forgive me for laughing, but if liberals like yourself, anon actually felt a responsibility to take care of yourself, we wouldn't be facing this current socialist healthcare scam. The truth is that libs are always looking for a free lunch. It's the conservatives that want limited government and take care of themselves, including paying for their own healthcare. I think you're confused. Must be all that kool-aid for lunch.
I have PPO and can get treatment anywhere, but I pay an extra price for that. I refuse to be part of an HMO. I know people who were part of one and they said it was a nightmare. ObamaCare is one giant HMO.
BTW, you do know that the deal Pelosi cut with the insurance companies is for the insurance companies to sell insurance to everyone, but will not be held legally liable if they deny treatment? Treatment will be based on cost, age of patient, their health history and usefulness to society.
QUOTE from anon:
"And why wouldn't you simply keep the insurance you have? "
Because ObamaCare is going to make private insurance unafforable in order to usher in a single-payer government plan. When the government becomes the only game in town, watch the rates go up in order to cover even the basics of this monstrosity, which will bankrupt our country. This isn't about treatment, anon, it's about raising taxes to provide for another revenue stream while severely rationing healthcare to everyone, particularly seniors.
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We do NOT need a 'health care bill' nor do we want one!!! FIX the fraud! If they can't do that, they cannot be trusted to do anything else!!!
How about step four, the elected official will not enroll in the congresional healthcare program and enroll in whatever healthcare program they vote on.If it is good enough for all of us voters, it's good enough for them too!
Make sure they're in the right order!
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America will never rest easy until all the progressives, no matter their stripes, are rooted out and replaced. This is the war. Healthcare, Cap and Tax, Deficit, Pork, and Corruption are battles to be won. We must not lose.
But this health care and cap and Trade is about so much more than we all are being told … its why the Government officials don’t want the same health care coverage …..
http://www.green-agenda.com/
here is the push behind Obamacare …..
http://dieoff.org/
http://www.warsocialism.com/America.htm
I couldn’t have said it better .
Just call Me Mr. Henry — heave on the mister
Micheal Steele needs to steo aside and let you run the RNC
agreed, CL– it is the movement from outside DC (Tea Party) that has kept Obamacare from passing thus far– but for how long until November, is anybody's guess– and what with the redefining of laws and things constitutional over the decades, who's to say Obama won't just declare (another) national emergency and just sign it via executive order anyway?
4th Step Congress would have same Health Care as us Tax Payers have NO BETTER and NO WORSE
Let's not EVER forget who brought this to us…
Olympia Snowe of Maine…who provided the needed vote to end cloture and started this whole putrid mess moving…
If there EVER was a time to hang a traitor, I hope she's first in line…I want to watch…
To the State of Maine: Time for you to find a REAL conservative to run for her seat…she needs to be "Scott Browned" ASAP, just as an example for the others…and I plan never to set foot in that state again until it happens…
"Republicans quickly and simply must contrast that with a one page charter, contract, or declaration. which sets forth 7 – 10 key reforms in simple straightforward language."
This would work great, if Republicans could ensure that people have all forgotten how well they followed through on their 1994 Contract With America: the vast majority of it never even survived long enough to meet Clinton's veto pen, and the combined budgets of the 95 major programs that it promised to eliminate ended up increasing by 13%.
beat me to it…
If this happens welcome to the Storming of the Bastille II. The Absolute Monarchy of Progressive Democrats and Republicans will be introduced to the big dropping blade. Just a question. As a former military serviceman who has friends still in the service and having numerous contact with law enforcement agents, how are you going to get all of these people arrested when those who have sworn an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies foreign or DOMESTIC are OVERWHELMINGLY CONSERVATIVE? Good Luck.
Please tell me someone with power in the GOP is listening to (reading) this.
This is such a GREAT idea. Honest, succinct and good for America.
Anon,
I will say words that you do not have the capability to understand based on your Progressive nature, but you are terrified of them. Semper Fi. This We'll Defend. Anchors Away. Aim High. There are tens of millions of us. We are all brothers. We are the reason for your freedom. We will stand together against all enemies foreign or domestic. We maintain our training and exercise the rights we were given and fought to protect. We are America's living heros and patriots. What you have suggested would make May 35th look like child's play. We surround you.
Take the power of Healthcare away from the federal government. Downsize Medicare and Medicaid and block grant it to the states. States rights are the 10th Amendment. Texas can lead the way! Abolish all taxes and set a low flat tax. Open state lines, get torte reform done, and give tax deductions to all who have insurance. Don't mandate, it's unconstitutional!
Can't help but notice the picutre preceding this article. Is that when the first three options do not work?
And then …. Maybe we can create some of those shovel ready jobs to bury all of them in a big deep hole
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Well, 2012 is a couple years away. Maybe someone will emerge. Rather like some of what Paul Ryan says. He seems to walk the walk. Like what the NJ governor is doing. No matter who the Repubs run they will be savaged by the UIM (Useful Idiot Media). This whole scene is making me bi-polar; one day I'm down in the dumps about it, the next I'm pretty optimistic. More dumps than optimism.
Stupid? What would you call the Dems following in lemming fashion the dictates of Nancy Pelosi despite the overwhelming opposition of the American people?
The fact remains that big insurance by refusing care to patients and reimbursement to doctors over typos has ticked everyone off – both patients and doctors. They have a virtual monopoly over the whole process a hugely well financed lobby team and representatives on both sides of the isle.
A friend of mine recently laid off without children – just he and his spouse is paying $2,500.00 dollars a month for his COBRA – that is outrageous. Health insurance costs more than his mortgage – unbelievable.
When Bush implored people to go out and spend – well that's kind of hard to do when you are buried in health care bills, forms and in foreclosure because you made a typo.
The system is broke and well heavily stacked in the insurance industry's favor – with no incentive except global economic melt down to fix it.
Oh wait a minute didn't that just happen….
CTD
Its not only former military. I am not a vet but you can be sure I will be right there beside you. And
I have a substantial amount of hardware and I know how to use it.
my prior posting was deleted by the administrator. so I guess I need to say this in a nicer manner.
we need citizen direct action. flash mob sit-ins of democrat congress persons offices, at the streets around the white house, around congress etc. shut DC down with a citizen traffic jam.
then they will have to helo in and out like in Saigon.
Now Mr. /Ms. Adminstrator is this polite enough to post?
You are correct.
The only crisis, is a created and manufactured crisis.
Meanwhile, we are at war on two fronts, the financial worls is crumbling, unemployment is at its highest rate since the Great Depression, and Barrack Hussein Obama is clueless.
I wonder what those stupid bastards that elected this imposter think of him now?
Bob, just how were the republicans supposed to debate? Stage a sit-in in front of congress? It's on the record that the reps have been trying to have a debate about health care, to no avail. Should they have started this debate during Reagan? yes, but they didn't. I'm a realist, then is then, and now is now, and we the people must do whatever it takes to see to it that our health care isn't left up to the government to administer, hell man, just look at the postal service, you want people with that mentality to run your health care? I vowed never to vote along party lines after the GOP gave us Bob Dole. My vote is worth too much to me, I'll never waste it again.
"We The People" see what is trying to be perpetrated on us from all sides. We want what are founders wanted for us.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzYl48V0HTM
Do you expect that strategy to work? If rallying en masse against healthcare *could* help, it should have already worked in preventing the bills from reaching reconciliation. At this point, what we see is last attempts at stalling before the inevitable stroke falls and some version of the healthcare bill passes. Super-majorities will be super-majorities.
BUT the philosophically inclined can take comfort in the knowledge that the children of current voters will find out precisely the price and consequences of their parents' votes.
Massachusetts mandated universal coverage- and rates climbed, faster than the national average. Seriously, have you seen the mandates in this bill? You think your premiums aren't going to skyrocket, since now everyone will *have* to buy a Rolls-Royce policy?
Yeah, I'm getting on my wife's nerves with my F this and F that.
I just want a person to do what they says they're gonna do, without calling a press conference.
Go into office with a the thought of only serving one term and think of the waves you could create.
um–their industry wide profit margin is 2.2%. that is so damn pathetic. I wouldn't own a business with that small a margin.
the problem with persons declaring a BK over medical bills is that they bought too little insurance and what they did pay for was over-priced due to free loaders.
If everyone had to have a catastrophic plan with say a $10,000 deductible then the hospitals would not have to charge you $8 for one aspirin. Then there are the illegal aliens who rape the system entirely. We all pay way too much due to free loaders, malpractice lawsuits requiring defensive medicine, and the fact that way too many people visit the doctor way too much, Make people pay for their own office visits and the cost of medicine goes down.
Free Medicine = The most expensive medicine
Hear Hear!!!
I'd suggest doing the opposite – making every part of income subject to tax, including medical benefits. And to balance that out, lower and standardize tax rates. But you've heard that one before probably.
In short, cancel out a loophole instead of creating a new one.
Do you even know what a liberal is? First I would like to point out, I am not a redneck, second I would like to point out I would die before I would go and grovel to the governement for a handout of any kind. I have never asked the government for anything, and never will.
I would also like to point out that your tired ALINSKI tactics dont work anymore.
You see my friend, we are on to you, your game is worn out, its yesterdays' news.
You my friend are a useful idiot. Liberalism defies the most fundamental rule of nature, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST/Natural Selection. The whole progressive idea is completely circular, meaning, the things you cling to the most, your evolution theories, your contrived altruism, your high minded ivy league re-education only proves how intellectually bankrupt you are. INTELLECTUALLY, MORALLY, SPIRITUALLY.
"Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, may your chains rest lightly, and may posterity forget you were our countrymen" Samuel Adams
One more thing, namecalling is the last refuge for the intellectually defeated.
You have opened your mouth and erased all doubt
I know there are more, but 2 came to mind as I wiped the sleep from eyes and drank my coffee
I refuse to call these COMMUNISTS by their preferred name…because what they are after is NOT progress…it is simply CONTROL of the People….they are OPPRESSIVES.
Why else would they decide to BAN RECREATIONAL FISHING…that's right, by executive order!
If this Health care CONTROL bill passes we will see a deluge of bills such as the one in the NY Legislature placing a BAN ON THE USE OF SALT…in all restaurants! NO SALT to be used in the kitchens…with a $1000 fine for each violation! Chefs in the state of NY are already protesting. They would be banned from using prepared foods such as HOT DOGS, bacon, ham, etc. Think about that!
We let them get away with banning SMOKING, Transfats…so now they think they have the green flag to ban everything.
I think Prez Obama finally looked up from the mess he has helped to create and realized that his minions had planned a trip for him away from the USA over the first weekend of NCAA basketball tourney. He'd rather stay in front of his widescreen in the WH smoking Marlboro's and rooting on his favorite teams rather than travel somewhere with his wife and children.
Many of you who think that the Republican party has lost it's way need to read Rep. Paul Ryan's speech he gave to a Hillsdale College event. This speech can be found in Imprisims. Ryan's overall point is that citizens who value free market principles and liberty need to stand together against progressive ideas and politics. No political will ever be perfect, yet I feel the message that needs to be sent to some factions of the Republican party is that a majority of it's citizens is fed up with the idea that government control of corporations as to go as well. We have to let the free market system work even if we fear the Enron effect of evil greedy people taking advantage of hard working people. There are some in the Republican Party that want to protect citizens from corporate greed, but they have to be told that government is not the answer. The Republican Party has some solid minds in congress, and many who are governors, but the grass roots citizens have hear and believe their message.
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I, too agree w/ cowboy Logic. But let's pay attention to Jim DeMint. We can't afford a third party. The Tea Party has a team Player w/ him. We should follow his lead and stick the screws to the other RNC/GOP to follow suit.
So you like that, "You can find out what's in the bill after we pass it" kind of government?
Why are you breathing?
It's my experience that those most likely to be in the Military or Law Enforcement in the first place are the ones that love this country enough to put their own tush on the line for her defense. Likewise, the ones most likely to protest against this country or those that want to destroy this country in favor of a marxist/statist/communist government are the ones least likely to sign up for military or law-enforcement as a way of life.
Therefore, I strongly believe that any order given by a Marxist/Communist/Statist civilian leader to our Military or Law Enforcement agencies will be weighed against the constitutionality of that order and if it is determined that the order violates the constitution, I believe the order will be simply ignored if the statist civilian leader is extremely lucky.
If not so lucky (or if a pattern of unconstitutional conduct becomes prevelent), the oaths of our military personnel may call for detention of said individual for treason.
I believe most of our military take their oath very seriously. On a very personal level, serving in the military is fulfillment of an oath to the people of the U.S, but more importantly that oath is made to friends and family they have left behind, to uphold the honor of those who served before, to safeguard liberty for those that will follow, and to keep faith with those that are their comrades-in-arms that they will not falter in their duty or devotion to country, that they will never surrender or compromise their principles, that they will never lend aid and comfort to the enemy, and that they will not fail in their commitment and promise to protect this country from *ALL* enemies "foreign and domestic".
Nothing short of this level of devotion to the U.S. and Lady Liberty can account for the quality and professionalism of our US Military. The vast majority of the members of our intelligence agencies and of our police forces take their oaths just as seriously and are willing to do whatever it takes to protect those they are sworn to defend.
If push ever comes to shove in this country and orders are given to the military and police to impose marshal law or to disarm the populace in direct contravention of the US Constitution, conservatives will not be alone in their fight and it will not be the military that they will be fighting. If anything it will be the conservatives, police and the military against the union thugs, gansters, and drug lords in the pay of the statis elites who will all be hiding in Canada.
(Note to Sara: time to reload – again !).
Amen. I'm in.
Greatest comment I have EVER read anywhere.
I think most people have it backwards.
HC is not the 'crisis', jobs are not the crisis, Obama is the crisis and the economy is totally of his making.
So many people are out of work because businesses have been told over and over that their costs & taxes are going to skyrocket and they are unwilling to hire into the general uncertainty of what taxes, energy costs, HC costs, and new government regulations will do to their profitability. Remember that during the 2008 compaign, Obama told us that he would raise the environmental hurdles to coal-power companies so high that they would go bankrupt. The EPA is doing that. Though Global Warming has been proven to be a hoax, it's still being pushed in Congress and if passed will certainly kill many businesses and industries that are struggling today.
Every so often, usually as the economy start showing signs of recovery, OPR (Obama/Pelosi/Reid) introduces some new expensive legislation (a bailout, cap&tax, another round of HC, etc) that then – simply by being introduced – causes discussion and uncertainty about the associated costs and the increased national debt and higher taxes to come, which causes the economy to collapse back into itself again and retrench even further than before, losing even more jobs as businesses further tighten their belts in expectation of still higher costs and/or revenue caps and/or government takeover or regulation.
The more people that lose their jobs, the more demand there is for OPR to work on jobs and the economy, the more OPR will ignore the economy and unemployment because the jobs crisis is just SOOOO good as a backdrop and incentive for passing his signature HC package because so many people are out of work and uninsured don't-you-know.
If OPR would simply go home for the next 3 years, the economy would recover without OPR continually working to keep the uncertainty level high, and jobs would start coming back. With the jobs would come more employer-health insurance and the with more jobs, comes more spending which creates demand for more jobs which increases confidence in the economy which produces more economic growth to produce more jobs with more employer-provided insurance, …..
Unfortunately, that won't happen as it means not enough government control. OPR cannot afford to let the job crisis go to waste or they'll never get their HC bill through.
Hi,
I tried to reply but the posting system kept saying my post was too long. So instead I made it into a blog here
http://thejoelist.wordpress.com/
It is a view from inside the industry.
Good thoughts.
I tried to post mine as someone who works in the industry but this site kept saying too many words. So I blogged it here.
http://thejoelist.wordpress.com/
"An HSA. I am LMAO. My son's proton radiation treatment cost $250,000."
So who paid for it?
Apparently you don't have a clue how HSAs work.
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Isn't COBRA a government program? No wonder your friend is paying so much.
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6 months ago I would have suggested Sara Palin, but now I'm not so sure. She's more into protecting the status quo and trying to force-fit the TPM into the Repub party.
I'm inclined to nominate Rick Perry from Texas as he seems to be doing good things for Texas.
Possibly Bobby Jindal – I've not heard much from him, but he strikes me as having enthusiasm and the belief that the U.S. is exceptional and perhaps first- or second-hand experience with the results of Big Government and statism through his Dad.
I would strongly reject any Repub that has run for office in the last 5 presidential races as part of the 'establishment' and too much of a DC-Insider. I guess you can guess what my position is on anyone claiming to be a Democrat….
"They want to tax, that is right, tax all employer sponsored plans and give everyone a $5,000 credit."
No they don't. The insurance tax was fielded by McCain in the campaign. It was not then or ever a "Republican Plan."
My HSA insurance costs me $186.00 a month — for cadillac coverage — and I am damned sore about losing this. I'm not saying it applies to everyone because, let's face it. There's a significant percentage of the population in this country who simply will not take that kind of care of their lives.
But that's not a good reason to deny the rest of us from best program going. And that is exactly what congress is doing.
Do you even know what a liberal is? First I would like to point out, I am not a redneck, second I would like to point out I would die before I would go and grovel to the governement for a handout of any kind. I have never asked the government for anything, and never will.
I would also like to point out that your tired ALINSKI tactics dont work anymore.
You see my friend, we are on to you, your game is worn out, its yesterdays' news. Liberalism defies the most fundamental rule of nature, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST/Natural Selection. The whole progressive idea is completely circular, meaning, the things you cling to the most, your evolution theories, your contrived altruism, your high minded ivy league re-education only proves how intellectually bankrupt you are. INTELLECTUALLY, MORALLY, SPIRITUALLY.
"Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you, may your chains rest lightly, and may posterity forget you were our countrymen" Samuel Adams
One more thing, namecalling is the last refuge for the intellectually defeated.
You have opened your mouth and erased all doubt
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Wyden is my Senator, he's on the take!
We the Patients have been excluded from the negotiations on health care I sent an Open Letter to Congress to the Majority and Minority leadership of both houses. I've also drafted a People's Health Care Bill that you can read them both on Facebook. Go to We the Patients, Peoples Health Care Bill fan page to read more. Please help spread the word and help us stop this health care disaster Washington is doing to us.
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Obama is not part of the solution, as far as fraud goes , he is the leader
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