Tea Parties, Third Parties and the Republican Party
by Thomas Del BeccaroThe struggles of the Democrats and the Republicans are making news. The Democrats are learning that it is far easier to make campaign promises than it is to govern. As for Republicans, the party that loses the Presidential election often spends the off-year attempting to refine its message if not find a new message and new messengers. In the watchful eye of 24/7 cable news channels and the Internet, however, such political soul searching can appear rather untidy. As the calendar turns, the process remains unresolved for Republicans to say the least. Worse than mere overexposure, according to Rasmussen polling, despite Obama’s falling polls and Democrat divisions, the Republican Party would fare worse in an upcoming election than the Tea Party – a “Third Party” that, as of yet, does not exist. It is no minor issue because with the help of Tea Party activists, Republicans certainly can beat Democrats next year – without them they may not.

It would seem evident to many that the Tea Party movement should be the natural ally of the Republican Party. After all, the issues that inspire most Tea Party activists should not be inimical to Republican Party leaders. However, the fact that the Tea Party movement is at odds with certain aspects of the Republican establishment belies the greater issue as to why the Tea Party movement – and its potential to be a 3rd Party movement – arose at all.
It is worthy, as part of this discussion, to note that the rise and fall of third party movements and candidates is directly tied to whether voters perceive the existing parties as being successful. In this context, successful means providing effective leadership on the major issues of the day.
The Republicans should well know this lesson. After all, the Republican Party came into being because the Whig Party of the 1850’s and 1860’s was perceived as not willing to provide effective leadership on the most divisive issue of the day – if not the most divisive issue ever: slavery. Appearing too accomodationist to many voters, a third major party came into being under the leadership of Lincoln and others: the Republican Party – a party that, in time, took a decisive stand against slavery.
More recently, Ross Perot ran twice for President and gave life to the Reform Party. It is more than arguable that Perot handed Bill Clinton the Presidency by drawing so many votes away from President Bush in 1992. But did he? As a matter of history, Perot was more of a symptom of failed leadership by Republicans than cause of Clinton’s victory. The errors of the Bush Administration gave rise to a perception that the Republican Party was the party of higher spending and higher tax rates – a policy that led to burgeoning deficits. Bush 41 was not perceived as a leader in the wake of breaking his “no new tax pledge” and the Democrats were not exactly considered leaders on how to handle the deficit either. It is on such political battlefields that disgruntled voters take interest in a third voice – in that case, Ross Perot and his Reform Party.
Of course, the John Anderson presidential run should be noted as well. There was little doubt that in 1979 and in the beginning of 1980, the public’s view of both the Democrat Party and the Republican Party had dimmed considerably. Amidst double-digit inflation and unemployment, 20+% interest rates, and little in the way of Republican Congressional leadership to contrast Jimmy Carter failings, John Anderson ran as an Independent candidate for President. He came out of the gate with 25% in the polls – 6% higher than Perot’s highest ever finish.
Yet Anderson wound up not winning a single precinct. Why? Because Ronald Reagan ran a stirring campaign behind the theme that “Government is not the solution to our problems. Government is the problem.” And with that, Reagan and his strong leadership and policies won two terms (three if you count Bush 41s’ first term) and there was no third party challenge until Bush Sr. ceded Reagan’s high ground of leadership as referenced above.
All of which brings us to the Tea Party movement.
The numbers of Independents voters is on the rise again. Voters everywhere believe the Democrat Party and the Republican Party are more partisan than effective. The Tea Party movement is an out-growth of that perception.
At its core, the Tea Party movement is a pro-liberty – limited government movement. Its activists continue to believe in Reagan’s cogent message about government. Beneath that over-arching theme, Tea Partiers by-in-large are motivated by four major issues. (1) excessive taxation, (2) out-of-control spending, (3) out of control Legislators who pass bills without reading them, and (4) the apparent lack of adherence/respect for our Constitution. None of those issues should be troublesome for the Republican establishment – yet there is anything but an easy alliance between the Tea Party movement and the Republican establishment. It is a wonder why that is so.
Excessive Taxation. The issue of burdensome taxation has motivated Americans from the time of the Boston Tea Party to today. Always a potent issue, many activists wonder why the Republican Establishment has lost their voice on this important issue. Keep in mind that the issue is not just that people don’t want to pay taxes because they are stingy. The issue is why aren’t Republican leaders making the case to the American people (1) that high tax rates defeat their own purpose (Keynes), (2) that “that our present tax system … exerts too heavy a drag on growth … siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power, [and] reduces the financial incentives for personal effort, investment, and risk-taking.” (Kennedy), or (3) that through tax relief we can grow the American economy (Reagan). Surely taking up that mantle – with clarity – is not a request that is too much for Tea Partiers to ask of Republican leaders.
Out-of-Control Spending. The issue of government waste and spending is of major concern to many activists around the country. Keep in mind that in 1964, the entire federal budget was roughly $130 billion and poverty was approximately 14%. The federal budget is nearly $4 trillion a year now. We currently make social welfare transfers of over $1 trillion per year. Yet the federal poverty rate remains around 14%. Disgruntled Tea Partiers (and Ron Paul supporters) know that intuitively even if they do not always know the statistics. Should not Republican leaders be exposing the stunning level of federal waste (including $1 in every $10 of Medicare spending) at every turn – even filibustering ever growing budgets which provide little return on investment? Is that request too much to ask? – let alone insisting they refrain from pork barreling themselves?
Reading the Bills. Federal legislation now exceeds 1,000 pages at a time. It is well beyond common knowledge that most politicians do not even read the bills upon which they vote. Given that so many congressmen and women are lawyers who would never expect their clients not to read the contracts they sign, is it really an exorbitant request of those same politicians to read bills before they bind us to legislation from which, incredibly, they often exempt themselves?
The Constitution. There can be little doubt that our Constitution is not interpreted as our Founders intended. Jefferson and Madison opined that the Constitution did not permit the Congress to tax people to build roads. Now, without so much as an amendment, we tax people to subsidize the purchase of cars that run on those roads built with tax dollars. In that light, many activists well understand Justice Scalia’s commentary that “The Constitution is not a living organism, it is a legal document. It says something and doesn’t say other things.” The question is whether Republican leaders believe the same or are willing to defend the same.
The reality of today is that the Tea Party movement is more than skeptical of whether the Republican establishment is willing to take a stand on those issues or whether they are more interested in playing Let’s Make a Deal with American principles. In other words, they do not believe that they are providing effective leadership on those important issues. Instead, they do things such as offering a Presidential candidate who wanted to buy up all the bad mortgages that government encouraged in the first place. A government response to a government problem – Reagan would not be pleased – and neither are Tea Partiers. If Republicans were providing effective leadership on those important issues, I would hazard a guess that there would not be a Tea Party movement today.
In the final analysis, Republicans never do so well as to defend freedom and the expense of government – when they run against City Hall instead of defending it. Not coincidentally, Americans never do so well as when freedom is protected from government. Reagan understood that and that is why he ran against the Washington establishment instead of encouraging it.
Unless Republicans regain that understanding, rather than winning next year with Tea Party support amidst the troubles of the Democrats, Republicans may well be alone wearing the Whigs of long ago.






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The Republican party is a joke.
The Democrat party is an even bigger joke.
Yet acting in concert, the two have conspired for generations to keep a stranglehold on the balance of power. It is time for someone to come along with a new idea. It is time for a purge. It would prove cleansing………
The Republican Party is the only possible choice in the upcoming election. Get involved in the party. Run for office yourself if you don't like the candidates. DON'T dilute our collective ability to throw out these idiots by voting for some stupid third party covertly funded by chortling Democrats. Not voting and voting for losers helped get us into the mess we're in now. Let's stop complaining and start making the Republican Party what it should be and needs to be in order to safeguard our country.
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The Tea Party is run by a bunch of Gutless Wonders who think walking on the edge is marching with their little signs like a bunch of aging Hippies. Thank God our Founders had more Nads then these wimps.
The Tea Party in Historic Context was out to cost the King far more then the little people he controlled. A Real Tea Party would say screw the hell out of you. 30 million of us will claim Max. Tax Deductions and NOT file on April 15th with the IRS. You can try to spend all of this money with out the windfalls of cash you theive from us. When you are ready to return to the Constitution which is still the Law of the Land and have an Amesty from IRS/ and Vladamire Obama in hand. Come talk to us. Until then, make like a fan and Blow Us.
Sorry, I a hurry and had to blow this out ASAP.
The tea party people appear to be conservative and libertarian in philosophy and mostly registered Republicans. They also seem to be very practical people. These are mainstream people who have generally ignored politics but are fed up with what has gone on. They don't seem to be third party types. They have already shown a willingness to work with and for Republicans who are like minded. Michelle Bachmann, Marco Rubio, and Sarah Palin are three examples of Republicans who get undivided loyalty from the tea party movement. Chris Christie and Bob McDonnell got huge cheers for their victories at the tea party rallies even though they are both relatively mainstream Republicans. As long as the Republicans listen to the tea party people, give tea party candidates a fair shake in primaries and avoid Dede Scozzafava mistakes they will get the tea party vote.
Im not concerned about "republicans". John Mcshame claims to be a republican. So did Chris Shayes, Dede Scuzzy, and Ray the Lahoodlum. Im an AMERICAN who values my freedom and my constitution. It is BUSINESS that runs this country-not government. If necessary dont pay taxes. Supporting someone like Rubio over the disgraceful Crist is a small step forward. Defunding the communist ACORN and THROWING SCUM LIKE HARRY GREED to the sharks is another option. Public humiliation for crooks like Rang Ho and Piglosi would be nice. The Tea Party movement needs to replace the republican party, not oppose it. Sort of like Palin-shed be a great kingmaker, im just not sold shes the queen quite yet. Im afraid the media has flogged the Arctic Fox with the Scarlet A.
We need another Ronald Reagan for 2012. The problem is that we don't have another Ronald Reagan.
A true Tea Party member said:
Ours was the first revolution in the history of mankind that truly reversed the course of government, and with three little words: 'We the people.' 'We the people' tell the government what to do, it doesn't tell us. 'We the people' are the driver, the government is the car. And we decide where it should go, and by what route, and how fast. Almost all the world's constitutions are documents in which governments tell the people what their privileges are. Our Constitution is a document in which 'We the people' tell the government what it is allowed to do. 'We the people' are free. This belief has been the underlying basis for everything I've tried to do these past eight years.
Ronald Reagan
This two party system is now a one party system that should be called the Insider Party. I will vote Republican in any general election but voting against an "insider" during the primary is mighty tempting.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. I am fearful the Teaparty movement will cause splitting of the votes and causing the same ole crap to be left in. Ross Perot was successful in this by getting Bill Clinton elected because of the votes he pulled away from 41. The one factor here that might make a difference this time is the shear anger that is out there with the run away spending, lack of maintaining the Constitution with every new bill that comes down the road, not reading the figgin bills, and the total disregard for the people that our government is suppose to be representing. My hope is the movement would overtake the Republican party and that would seal the deal in 2010 and 2012. I know I am working towards that on the local level, but if I sense any movement growing by leaps and bounds, I will jump ship in a second, especially if a Reagan does not show up on the scene.
We can all be like Ronald Reagan. Read him, study him, and understand him. That is where true power lives. "We the People"
In Democrat Primaries Democrats win. In Republican Primaries Democrats win. As long as the News Media can pick Bush over Forbes, McCain over Hunter or Tancrado, Bob Flipping Dole? The Democrats will continue to have a winner in the Democrat Primary and their winner in the Republican Primary.
This is why Republicans SUCK just a little less then the Democrats do.
The Tea Party should not go 3rd party and be Ross P. in each election cycle for the Democrats. The Tea Party should be an arm to endorse the people running for Office who will Govern by the Mandates of the Constitution.
Yet! He/she may show in the next year.
So you suggest that the GOP, with its own plethora of tax-and-spenders and pro-amnesty leaders, is serving the will of the people?
The real story isn't going to be the November 2010 elections, but the Republican primaries. The national Republican party has already endorsed moderate candidates who are running against viable conservatives in the primaries (see Senate races is FL, KY, CA.) If the national party suceeds in defeating these conservative candidates, it may be the beginning of the end for the Republican party.
For better or for worse our political system does not allow for a third party to exist for an extended time. It will either be absorbed, merged, or replaced. If the Repubs. keep moving to the center, they'll be replaced by the TEA party. Their only choice at that time will be to pull a Scozzafava and merge with the Dems.
I agree with your first paragraph, but disagree with your second paragraph. I'm tired of enabling RINOs because I'm afraid a Democrat will win. RINOs are spineless, gutless wonders that, unfortunately, rule the roost. Steele could have made a huge difference, but is showing no leadership whatsoever.
I live in OH, and the state GOP sucks just as badly. Can't support its own conservative candidates. Shows more loyalty towards its "farm system" of growing politicians instead of listening to their constituents. I'm done with the Ohio GOP. Steele, McCain, et al have me done with the national GOP. I now evaluate each candidate on their own merits, not because of their party affiliation.
Agreed Cowboy
What this country needs is one big enema
Like a two-headed snake, Democrats and Republicans represent the same broken political system. It's time for a new party of the people and for the people. Real honest people to lead our country not dishonest lawyers/politicians.
You have not read much of my writing over the years. The Republicans Suck almost as much as the Dems do. Why? See http://hotrod.blogtownhall.com/2008/12/16/conserv...
Solution: See http://hotrod.blogtownhall.com/2008/12/18/pump_an...
The national republican party has had it's head up it's butt for too long. They just don't get it; witness the recent election in upstate New York … Dee Dee Scozzafava? Really???
I am voting for a clean slate of new blood across the ballot. Those who are entrenched in DC (regardless of political stripe) are fatally infected with Potomac fever and meed to be sent home.
Wait a minute, let's not ignore the fact that 53% versus 46% of allegedly informed and responsible citizens voted for this socialist abomination. I'm not buying that anyone paying the slightest amount of attention couldn't have predicted correctly the outcome of Obama in the WH and a Dem majority in congress.
The mess we are in is bigger than the failure of the Republican party to ward off this socialist coup. The majority of our fellow citizens galloped over the edge with these socialists like mindless lemmings. Obama and Pelosi & Co are the convergence of the hubris and ignorance that has overtaken our country. Only until the misery index gets horrific will these mindless lemmings reconsider their actions.
A third party is a nice thought but it will by the numbers in every election cycle insure that the Democrats stay in power. A better plan is to rebuild the Republican party from the bottom up which is essentially happening. There is a local committee in every neighborhood, get out and join them.
A Truce? You're going to be all chummy with Harry? What the hell is wrong with you people, I knew the GOP was weak but are you F'ing kidding me?
Where is the reading of the bill that would take 24+ hours and make this a painful and remembered protest?
This is the most fight you have in you??? Your going to have a glass of nog with the fascists and call it quits?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/22...
This is not just MSNBC garbage, I heard Mitch mouth this obamanation with his own traitorous lips. You people are so fricking tone deaf that you all need to tossed out into the snow on your assess.
This is about GOP COWARDS whining about how you might all miss Christmas isnt it?
You should all be loaded into the back of a C130 next stop Kandahar, you worthless pieces of GARBAGE are not worthy to lick the lowest soldiers boots, do they get a couple of weeks off from the war? This is what we have for leadership?
SICKENING!
Purge the Rino's from the GOP, throw every dollar you can afford to true conservative candidates. Thank you God for making me a Floridian so I can be part of the Charlie Crist ouster!!
SICKENING!
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/22...
This is not just MSNBC garbage, I heard Mitch mouth this obamanation with his own traitorous lips. You GOP types are so fricking tone deaf that you all need to tossed out on your assess.
We need cage fighters, not dried up pansies that think this is a country club spat over the color of the polo pony blankets.
Just bizzare….
Red Bill you are right, if Steele and Mr.big tent Gingrich don't play ball, they will get run over by a train, count on it. Don't take my word for it look at the polls. The GOP wears the Scarlet Letter of Red Ink just like the Marxist DNC. They are on houser arrest with the real conservatives and will be on a very short leash…
"The Democrats are learning that it is far easier to make campaign promises than it is to govern."
Oh, just shut the fuck up! The judgmental bullshit that spews from your mouth sickens me…
This is the liberal revolution… get down with it or get out! And chop that disgusting 70's white-man fro in the process.
Both parties are jokes, the notion that somehow we are waiting for their leadership is disgusting…
The People lead, the representatives follow, plain and simple, something that hasn't happened for ages.
The message for me as a "Tea Party Activist" is simple…
"Scale Back Everything. You have overreached and I am about to slap the crap out of you."
Hey, big blowhard, that works only if you are self-employed, most of us aren't. How's that going to work when for most of us taxes have been collected as a payroll deduction? There is no option. The government has your money whether you file or not.
This is why i won't get on board with the republicans. Its all about getting back in power, i don't think they really care how they get it.
I've been a strong supporter of the St. Louis tea party effort since March, and I agree with just about everything they represent, but, recently the guy heading up that effort was making the case on why tea partiers should take over the republican party as opposed to starting a 3rd party. I could not disagree more, and if that's the way they want to go ( which is certainly their choice ), they'll lose some support. People need to understand that not only are Republicans not protecting people's rights, but the Democrats didn't plant beans from Jack's magic bean stalk last year to grow themselves a victory. This has been 4 decades ( arguably more ) in the making. They worked hard at this, and conservatives need to do the same. My wife and I talk about this with some frequency. I would rather plant the seeds now, and take a near-term hit, than try to shove a bunch of politicians into office that make good promises, but don't deliver. If the tea parties give in to the republicans, it's all over.
The Republican Party belongs to Conservatives. Let the RINOs go with the flow of Conservatives or go start their own Party. Would you come home to your house after being gone for the weekend to find some one has moved into your spare room and say OK I will just move someplace else? Heck NO! You would grab them by the collar and throw them out of YOUR HOUSE!
Take your own party back. Gez. The Republican Party belongs to Conservatives period.
Ya, keep marching with your signs once every sixty days like a bunch of aging Hippies. The Obama, Reid, PaLOUSY Train has run you folks over and could not care two licks about your signs. The News Media have no respect for you and so not even report your numbers at these parties you throw half of the time.
Get on the bandwagon with some teeth i,e, quit sending Gov. your money or stand around with your signs. You make the call.
The Tea Partiers are actually libertarians, they just don't know it. Small government, less spending, more freedoms, and a return to the constitution are all stalwart policies of libertarians. As an ex GOP card holder, I will never ever vote for a traditional machine republican again in my life even if its to prevent people like Obama from getting in office. If we vote for the lesser of two evils, we only get evil and the voters lose. We must vote in the person we want to govern us, regardless of his 'perceived' electability.
For me, of course, that man is Ron Paul. If the GOP promotes Palin, they will most certainly seal Obama's reelection.
A 3rd party is historically a bad idea, but their is precedent like the author said, and it may be time, we will have to see its up to the GOP leadership in the end to decide if it's going to be ruined or not.
I still think the tea party is the way to force the GOP to uphold constitutional principles by choosing candidates that wont play games where possible.
That means we have to be willing to hold the GOP's feet to the fire, but it also means burning them with it if nessecary.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/22...
The above s is not what a warrior does, this is what a lawyer does when they think it's "Inevitable" they go off and have cocktails witht he opposition.
No one will blame the GOP if they fail, they can hardly force the issue, but we will if they give up, and giving up is what they seem to do best these days.
This means that if they don't hear us that they should be doomed, it means that 2010 might be lost and I really dont want to think about that, so yes take over is the sane option and we need to be serious about that effort.
A 3rd party is historically a bad idea, but their is precedent like the author said, and it may be time, we will have to see its up to the GOP leadership in the end to decide if it's going to be ruined or not.
I still think the tea party is the way to force the GOP to uphold constitutional principles by choosing candidates that wont play games where possible.
That means we have to be willing to hold the GOP's feet to the fire, but it also means burning them with it if nessecary.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/12/22...
The above s is not what a warrior does, this is what a lawyer does when they think it's "Inevitable" they go off and have cocktails witht he opposition.
No one will blame the GOP if they fail, they can hardly force the issue, but we will if they give up, and giving up is what they seem to do best these days.
This means that if they don't hear us that they should be doomed, it means that 2010 might be lost and I really dont want to think about that, so yes take over is the sane option and we need to be serious about that effort.
I haven't read any of your blog posts. My next visit will be my first.
Well said Dave, a merge of the tea party into the republican party would be a huge failure. Rest assured the GOP Palinites are working on doing just that, we just have to resist it. Great point on the near term hurt required for positive long term growth. Obama's administration is actually doing more for freedom, by inspiring Americans to ask tough questions about the constitution and learn about the freedoms he's taking away. I think this will eventually lead to a revitalization of the American man, but its going to suck for a bit.
This happens regularly in OH. Yet a conservative acquaintance of mine in the local GOP cannot understand why I won't support the party.
Dems and Reps no longer have wholesale differences, their disagreements are merely nuances. The Tea Party comes in second place because the Republican Party no longer represents conservative values, no matter what the platform says.
No, it's not. Try living in OH, where tenure in the party is more important than values and platform.
Look at the Tea is way. Why don't I see 912 numbers on half the cars on the road? A Ribbon? Anything? Are you sure these people exist? Maybe they are secret agents out there hiding in the shadows?
Marching with sings like aging Hippies is something the Tea Party has done well. Other then that they are Tea Party who?
Grow a set of Nads or quit sniveling. Take on the Tax IRS issue I have been writing to you about for months now as a plan B or continue down the path of being run over. Help Conservatives take back to Republican Party which belongs to us or move out of the way and let us do it.
Hey Chuckles, Do you tell your employer how many Tax Deductions you are going to take or does your Nanny do that for you? Do you file with the IRS on April 15th? Well if 30 million people don't. Do those in Government count on that windfall each tax day? Do you see it now? If you want a real Tea Party then protest with your Tax Dollars.
If the republican party belonged to you, then why did you let it go? Why a big-tent party? The republican party is done. They're just as crooked as the democrats, always have been and always will be. You complain that tea parties have done nothing, but what has Michael Steele done? The Tea parties bumped the republican off the ticket in NY 23. That's one for us.
We're basically on the same page. I'm not advocating slavish devotion to a party. I'm pointing out the practical reality that a serious third party effort is what the socialists are hoping and praying for. A divided opposition vote is the Democrats only realistic path to retain power – at least in the House. We cannot allow this to happen. Complaining on the sidelines about how the GOP stinks will only help our opponents. That is the bottom line.
Given the stakes we have to work with what we have. The GOP is screwed up and many of the leaders are RINOs. We need to replace them with candidates who share Tea Party values. Like you, I have much hope that the Tea Party movement (and the obvious reality that Obama and the socialists are a clear and present danger to the country) will help us get candidates that we will be proud to vote for.
We have a number of good conservative republicans in office, keep Coburn, DeMint, Bachman etc., and get rid of the arrogant RINO's. I've followed ACORN and SEIU. They take their dictates from the Dims who tell them who they want in office. Over the last 4-5 yrs they've all been progressives which is why it's full of them today including the schools. They started local and then went national. ACORN ALSO LOBBY ON OUR DIME!!! They also have people on hand ready to go intimidate and blackmail rich folk and end up with millions in bribe money. They're difficult to counter as most of ;us are out working. We need Conservatives in there to counter these lefties, and we need ACORN defunded from our tax dollars. Why should my tax dollars go towards progressives who support abortions?
Wow. The panic over 2010 is clearly affecting your mind.
We have no lobby therefore depending on our elected representatives. They want to play nice-nice with these leftie cut-throats then out they go. Why wasn't ACORN defunded by the Repubs long ago for heaven's sake…
As I said before. The Republican Party belongs to Conservatives. Conservatives need to take it back. If the Tea Party is not willing to help Conservative do it. Then move out of the way and do not help Democrats win like Ross P.
If you do not like who the RNC runs as in District 23. Don't endorse them. If you see a Conservative running on the Republican Ticket then endorse him. The Tea Party could swing elections and can Sarah Palin. There are Kings and King Makers. The Tea Party could be a King Maker and winners at the same time.
Where is the Tea Party? ACORN is being funded with Tax Dollars. I hear the Glenn Becks, Big Gov, Rush, Hannity, all kinds of Republicans screaming from the Mountian Tops. Where has the Tea Party been with their Signs? There are ACORN Offices all of the Country. It is not like all the Tea Party people have to drive across the country and meet in one place.
ACCORDING TO THE CONSTITUTION of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:
The Legislative Branch is crooked. The Executive Branch and it's supplicant Federal Bureaucracy are crooked. The Judicial Branch is crooked and The Supreme Court is about to be packed. The only straight thing remaining in the Government of this Republic is its Constitution itself. Hopefully when the dust settles there will be someone left alive who can read what it says and discern the Spirit of its intent.
My goal is to fight incumbents.
I live in a republican district with a republican congressman. I'm going to register as a republican so that I can vote against the current republican (who voted for lots of pork over the last decade or so) and vote for any republican challenger who will promise to limit spending, taxes, read the bills, and move towards the constitution. In the general election, I will give the democrat a fair chance only if they promise to ignore the national democratic party and vote the will of their constituents. Likewise, I want a republican representative that will represent their constituents and not the national republican party.
Finally, I will look carefully at 3rd party candidates and vote for the best 3rd party candidate if neither the democrat or republican candidates will fight against a big government. Politicians trying to get elected will respond to opposition as well as lack of support. Once you have given you support, the politicians tend to ignore you.
Because the Republicans suck too, they are not Kings, Bush -elected by Leftwingnut Media would not use veto. Republicans could not even stop the train wreck being Fannie and Freedie. They never had 60 votes in the Senate.
sorry half of tea and 912 are independents.. and us independents are not caving in to the save the GOP scam. We might be forced to vote GOP, but the end is near for the party system. GOP will fail again.
to win you need more money than the chamber of commerce members. the system is designed for re-election..there is no saving a corrupt system
the republican lost because they are corrupt. clinton won because the system is rigged against any other party movement.. the system the allies or in this case axis of evil government parties built it together.. They destroyed representation to protect their power. So it was the republicans that elected clinton.
I was a republican until Bush pushed TARP and other things; became a registered Libertarian for a year; and finally settled on Independent because the party system is the problem.
Good post… the only way to beat the two axis government parties is to register unaffiliated and demand real change in the election process. Gerrymandering, party affiliation on voter registration and on ballot. Contributions only from district voters no pac money .. End taxpayer fund of the parties. This list goes on.
save the GOP?? the two government parties caused this mess and they can not and will not save us.
"The Democrats are learning that it is far easier to make campaign promises than it is to govern."
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As a tea and a 912.. I reject both government parties for they are the problem. The no party system is growing and it is the only real answer to representation problem.
The GOP is fighting back? … Where was the speeches you have gone to far.. Where were the amendments that congress receive secret service protection. It is clear congress no longer cares about the constitution or it’s own rules.. The peoples’ sentiment is not being echoed by our representatives.. where is the anger and the passionate outrage? The anger that puts fear into men’s hearts. The GOP is playing by rules of the ridiculous and pitiful.. This was a fight you get up in their face and make them understand this is a line that can’t be crossed. The democrats are playing union politics and kicking the GOP rear.. In UNION politics you get in their face and see who is a man. The people like union members do not matter for this is raw power and if you can’t mobilize the people by any means necessary you lose.
Not so. The republican party does not belong to conservatives, it belongs to whoever voters vote for that run under the republican ticket. Just because a party is formed under certain values and principles doesn't mean any type of entitlement if the politicians in that party don't reflect those values. If you want to use that logic, democrats had blue dogs and dixiecrats who were conservative, so why does the democratic party not belong to them? The party doesn't mean anything. The advantage the tea parties have, this year, is that the movement is just starting, so there's no baseline for comparison. In 10 years, the tea party could end up just as corrupt as the 2 current parties. NY 23 was an endorsement on the movement, not the man. Doug Hoffman was an idiot. Anyone who wants to run for public office and not attend a single debate has no business running. Period. What NY 23 did was make a statement, which was "If we want someone out, we have to muscle to move them out". The republican party has nothing going for it, except 2, maybe 3 people between both houses. Interestingly enough, the republican party began as a splinter from another established party, and it worked. There's no reason a 3rd party cannot work today. You don't have to vote republican to establish a conservative majority. The King is nowhere near as important as the King Maker. Yes, Palin can swing elections, and I hope she swings the next 2, but don't think for a second the RNC will back her for anything, even though she carries their card. The tea parties will back her, and she knows that.
ss794…good …..the party system has destroyed representation in our election process and they made a re-election process.
We need "Mr Smith" (movie)
That fought for the small people.
The only thing that I see Dems and Rep figting for are how to line their pockets.
Hope that the Tea Party takes roots to the point we have a third party.
If not that the Tea Party will make both sides concerened that they can not promise
and NOT deliver on their campain promices.
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These are good points. As a former Santa Cruz Democrat, who voted independent in 08, the idea of a 3rd party excites me, but I also fear that such will keep the current crooks in power. Yet, when I hear GOP cheerleaders like Mike Gallgher get into the religious/abortion issues, I fear voting GOP. I don't know how to balance those issues, without giving in to my own beliefs. I think there are many like me that favor smaller government, reasonable/lower taxes that are spent wisely, and keeping the government out of our personal lives. I agree with many posts that God has been part of the county, but I cringe at the fringe right when it becomes "THE" issue. I think abortion, the legalization of marijuana, bulding roads, etc are all state issues. Yet, I don't see how the GOP will ever agree, and wonder if a 3rd party is the answer. But then….I don't think the country can go 7 more years of Obama and still be the USA. I compromised and voted for McCain in 2008, "the lessor of two evils," and it got me nothing. Do I do it in 2012 again, or do I vote with my heart and soul?
What would happen with the big government types in control.
A Federal education plan written by Ted Kennedy?
A massive increase in Medicare spending?
A drastic crack down on the God given rights of free men?
Invite the bottom feeders from every 3rd world hellhole on the planet?
Wars not for American interests but for nation building?
Oh wait, the Republicans were in charge for all of those.
Not one damn bit of difference between the two parties.
I tend to think it was the Moderates that move back and forth between parties that elected Clinton. My concern about a third party is not having enough momentum to take the race. IMHO we need to start by moving into the local levels of the GOP and moving it to incorporate the values of the Teaparty movement, because they are truly what was once the core values of the GOP. We need to kick the Lindsey Gramnesties out and there are plenty of them. Those that are not showing fiscal responsibility need to be on their asses out the door…and finally if there is a ground swell that looks promising with a third party I will be there.
Trust in this government has left the building and isn't coming back. Now is the time to water the tree of liberty and go back to square one.
answer me this how does saving the gop effect a democratic district? It don't …they will elect democrats..I amd not moderate but I voted for ross, so there goes your theory. I would say the lefties voted for the republicans.
a thumb? no debate? I expect this type of crap from the libs.. I thought you republicans wanted to save your party you can't do that unless you stand up and debate and convince independents like me they are worth saving.
What will merging the Tea Party and Repub party do you may ask… well it will produce more RINO's. Pull your heads from your butts people… how do you think you got into this mess as it is? Most politicians start off with the same "go get em' " attitude from the get go but get sucked into the power structure that is the parties. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely… the party leaders have tons of power but they don't run the country…. so where does that power come from? The people?? HA!!! If you believe that then you're an idiot. Wakey Wakey…. might want to start thinking about who controls the money supply… seeing how money = representation of your time and what your time is worth… guess who controls your "TIME". (hint hint… the federal reserve) Want to take back your country??? Start with repealing the federal reserve act and making CONGRESS the ones who control the money supply (as was written in the constitution) so they are accountable to "WE THE PEOPLE".
Ladies and gentlemen, comment would be superfluous… Behold the pathetic enemy!
Here here!
goo.. good to see you..
And you, fellow independent!
There is no end in sight to the great and growing wickedness that is called America. There is little love for freedom and no love for God. We are a damned people and will pay a severe price for what we have become.
Freedom inhabits the hearts and minds of those who will stand up and defend it from their enemies.
The Republicans are voting against Obama!!!! Chose sides wisely. Vote for a third party. I recommend Libertarian because that's the greatest form of government ever imagined by a genius.
Reagan's the man, but I say we should all just be the good part of Ronald Reagan becuase I could go without all of that losing your mind stuff. I wanna be a more religious, even more right-wing, Ronald Reagan!
In the article (under Reading the Bills) the author states:
"Given that so many congressmen and women are lawyers who would never expect their clients not to read the contracts they sign, is it really…"
Not sure what planet this journalist is on, but that IS EXACTLY why they do NOT read their Bills. MOST of their clients did not read the contracts, because that's why the client hired the lawyer in the first place! LOBBYISTS write the bills.
Thus, these politicians (lawyers) write and pass all sorts of legislation to undermine the Constitution and the citizens, knowing full well that it will never be read UNTIL actual enforcement, taxation, and usurpation of our rights is desired.
At this time a third party is a bad idea. There is a solid base within The Republican Party (The House Republicans) who seem to get it and are fighting the good fight. The Republican Party at least sees the Tea Party Movement for what it is, and not AstroTurf as Pelosi accused them of. The American People ARE involved and will be heard big time in 2010 and we won't need a third party to do it. Just make sure we elect the right people in the Primary (such as Chuck DeVore).
we will win this fight one person at a time.. long live freedom.
It all comes back on We the People…
our parties are like they are because we ALLOWED THEM TO BE. We ABDICATED our FULL TIME ROLE, by only caring only during elections, and only on the biggies. How much different would America look if OUR SCHOOLS WEREN'T TURNING OUT MARXISTS? I'd say local and state public education seats are maybe MORE IMPORTANT than congress/senate/president.
No one is going to fix it but us.
It doesn't matter if there are two parties or 47…every single one can be corrupt. A third party assures nothing.
I am a Tea Party organizer who PERSONALLY advocates taking back the party whose PLATFORM reflects our views. But it takes WORK…and most people aren't ready to do the work, it's easier to blame everyone else.
With that said, I also make it VERY CLEAR that I will never vote for a RINO as long as I live. So, if the "machine" keeps forwarding them, yes, the GOP will become irrelevant. And in that case, America is lost to the Marxists…and the People will have to either ACCEPT subjugation, or be willing to really *fight* for it. (And I don't mean politically.)
PS- I agree with GOPsaver. A tax revolt is in order (claim the max, and then either DON'T FILE, or send an IOU)…I have called for that since last May. They can't fund without OUR MONEY. DEFUND THEM! Unfortunately, most people WILL NOT pledge their "life, FORTUNE, and sacred honor" to the cause. Our oppressors (in both parties) know that…what did Franklin say about security for liberty? United we WOULD stand…
Laura,
Thank YOU! I have been screaming such from the Mountain Tops but it is just too hard for people to grasp.
Also note that the Banks and Wallstreet could not get Obama and the Democrats in power fast enough. I would also say to those whom are negative with their home equity to stop payments until the Banks put presure onto Wallstreet and the Banks to get their guy they put in the Whitehouse to knock it off. There are 10 million homes lined up to Foreclose on coming down the pike soon. The Banks don't want your homes in which you are upside down on.
Living in California. I have seen the rath of democrats and the Cowards in the Republican Party like Gov. Arnold first hand. I have been told by the powers on the radio and in the Republican party that Arnold S. was the ONLY way and Tom McClintock could never win. I fought them then just as I try to talk some sense into the Tea Party now. Next year the American people will have to ask is California to big to fail because the State will BK.
I have given you Folks an additional option to surrender or a Fighting war for your rights with Guns.
This administration is RULING not governing. There is a difference. Our representatives in Washington work for us, not that we work for them..but they now think they have a mandate to change our government to Socialism, no matter what the people want…they have this idea that "they know better". They are wrong, and this November 2010 they will get a rude awakening. Did anyone hear the blockbuster news about what Senator DeMint found in the Reid Bill? Shocking and unconstutional. Buried in this sham of a bill is a provision that says: This bill cannot be changed or amended by the Congress..Can you imagine the nerve of these thugs that Reid had the nerve to put this in the bill? What else is in this bill? What shocking details are buried in the 2000 pages of this monstrosity? We need some answers from the Senate, Reid and his cohorts before they do the final vote! This is explosive! I don't see the news media picking this up. This bill I believe is unconstitional and will be fought in the courts. Stay tuned. Some Christmas present…imagine getting a Christmas present that you paid for? They have some nerve.
a few comments down the page I wrote:
if Steele and Mr.big tent Gingrich don't play ball in the primaries, they will get run over by a train, count on it. Don't take my word for it look at the polls. The GOP wears the Scarlet Letter of Red Ink just like the Marxist infected DNC. They are on house arrest with the real conservatives and will be on a very short leash…
Anyone who still thinks in terms of two parties, you are very mistaken. For three reasons…
One is the internet, the major sites, you all know who they are, will serve as a Hub for all local organisations to link to, this will allow for effective command and control.
Two is intensity, people in America are very worried about their kids and grandchildren, need I say more?
Three is money, there will be plenty of that I am sure due to the above factors.
So Steele, the ball is in your court…
Not ONE difference? Then WHO exactly is standing up in unison against this healthcare Bill? Any Republicans voting for it but the two known RINOS from Maine? Get real.
@ GOPsaver- I also live in California, a native, I voted for McClintock…and the CRP and NRSC will back Meg Whitman and Carly Fiorina…just watch. I'm watching (former Republican, who knows she would never get GOP backing and lose the primary) AIP Gov candidate Chelene Nightingale now. SHE might be the one I vote for and support.
But back to schools: Diane Lenning is our girl for state superintendent of public education!
Senate: Chuck DeVore
Dist 51: Nick Popaditch
Oh, and help us with this!!: CA constitutional amendment to PROHIBIT the deduction of POLITICAL ACTION money from (Union) public employees checks: http;//unplugthepoliticalmachine.org (If you aren't already.)
There are some candles people…quit cursing the darkness and get off your butts and WORK.
Save us the hyperbole that the "the two government parties caused this mess". Are you seriously suggesting that the Republicans have supported socialized medicine, Cap n Trade and all of the other Dem socialism excesses? Your fellow Americans by a majority margin voted for this crap and the few RINO's not holding to the pary's principles.
How is this for a reality check , it seems the guy next door failed you more then the Republican party.
Of course, to the Judiciary, the Law is the word. As Law is applied with the hand of equality it must refer to something objective to all. There are difficulties of course when weighing one wording against another (higher)… but this is their business.
Yet, for the people, and a designer, we of course also hold dearly the Ideas/Concepts/Principles behind the document which is their representation. These things live in our hearts and guide us in our daily lives and are the true core of this nation, if you want to call it that.
And, it will be these Ideas that will also be the guide in creating new Words, when they are, and if need be, which the Judiciary would again be tasked with application, after they are first proclaimed publicly to all.
OH! and PS- the Democrats have their own problems on the party unity front:
"House Dem blames leaders for party switch"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30896.h...
Him and how many others? Not to mention the many disenfranchised Democrats that are in the Tea Party movement already??
good post..steele is going to the left.. they are picking so called moderates every where.
I'll tell you why tea party types don't trust Republicans: you guys don't believe in liberty. You don't believe in limited government. You don't believe that the purpose of government is to serve the people. You don't believe you are limited by what the Constitution says.
What you believe in is power. You believe in control. You believe the purpose of government is to further your particular social philosophies. You believe that government ought to be expanded to implement those philosophies as regulations. You believe that government ought to use businesses to achieve your ends, and vice versa. You believe that the Constitution is whatever you can get your favored justices to say it is.
A republican thumber.. and I thought you going convince me to save the republicans?? such hate ..
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Just be the good part of Ronald Reagan?"I wanna' be a more religious, even more right-wing, Ronald Reagan"? You couldn't hold Ron's jockstrap, playa' wannabe.
Laura,
Are you on the Linkedin Network? Consider joining California Republicans and GOPsavers Groups.
As for http;//unplugthepoliticalmachine.org I did not know about it until now.
Thanks.
D.J.
The last slim hope for this country is this grass roots conservative movement sweeping the country. I scares me the number of clearly intellegent people who believe all they need is to get the GOP back in office! That scares me much more than anything else. If they don't wake up and start supporting the Mark Rubios, Rans Pauls and Doug Hoffmans we might as well just call in the Bilderbergs and tell them thay can have our country as we don't have what it takes to stand up for our kids and fight this evil. The very definition of insanity is doing the same wrong thing over and over again…I don't give a damn about the GOP, I do feel as Thomas Jefferson said… When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
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Could not agree more. Sarah Palin has bigger huevos than all of them.
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Disagree. The "short term hit" is likely to be fatal. We are truly talking survival here. i think you need to go with not the perfect solution, but the workable solution and from there reform. Your timeline will end up the same but you will stop the bleeding until you get there. I am no huge fan of the gOP, but I think we are out of time. With 60 votes we will be in the gulag before the Tea Party can field candidates to make a difference.
Well-written special editorial, Tom. The Tea Partiers are constitutionalists at the core, and the Republican Party 'leadership' in California and nationally are RINOs, in essence, struggling to conquer the center at the expense of Republican principles. I myself am tired of the RINOs at the leadership of the State Republican Party, and predominantly at the Conventions, and am about ready to bail rather than continue to beat my head against the wall. As in the national health care debate and the State budget debate, too many 'Republicans', reprentatives and 'leadership', are incensed and fighting about the trees and completely missing the forest, while the Tea Partiers are questioning, 'What about your Principles?' Maybe the Tea Partiers, and candidates like Sarah Palin, might be able to regain our roots and the principles espoused by Ronald Reagan.
Thank you, Tom, and keep up the fight,
Like the line up. Wil check out the constitutional amendment. Sounds great. thanks for tip.
Would make an excellent TEA political party theme song don't you think? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xdo5f_ozf6E
The Florida Sect. of State make history on November 6, 2009 when that state office certified the TEA (political) Party as legal and official. Therefore it is now correct and proper to refer to it as a political party and not a movement or group or idea. It's real and alive.
The first TEA candidate in the Florida 2010 United States Senator Election is Jorge Antonio Lovenguth (me). I suggest that everyone register to vote and remember this, In America, we all celebrate Independence Day, not republican, democrat, or corporation day.
The business party's of Jackson and Lincoln, and whomever began the corporation financing of candidates are being exposed for what they are now. The professional politicians vote for the corporations who finance their campaigns, not the people as they would have you believe.
They vote for the corporations first, themselves second, and for past deals they must pay up on. They will be gone in 2010, and 2012.
Americans are reclaiming their country. Florida has and will set the example that it's okay to be Independent as our founding Americans were. Register to vote. goto: http://www.TeaParty.Pro AMERICA is coming back!
912 exist there are thousands of groups..more likely the local teas are 912. but saving the republicans does not save our country.. so you can have them. they are part of the problem.. by the way do have more money the chamber members? if you don't you are not changing the republicans.
By lying about your dependents, you set yourself up to bed hauled before the IRS for an audit. Those extra large numbers of dependents get your filing an automatic red flag.
Damn right! Sometimes these threads are no more than Oh my beaurocrat is better than yours or our gov program is bettter than yours. Dont you get it yet? Gov is by nature tyrannical but a neccesary evil. Sometimes its good but most of the time it must try to dominate the INDIVIDUAL. Power corrupts… Our only hope is to keep government small and then it wont matter how corrupt it inevitably becomes. What would you rather confront, a hungry nasty chihawa or a well fed amiable grizzly bear? Of course youll take the stupid dog. This ridiculous bloated bearocracy must be dismantled or it will fall of its own and I say the sooner the better then from the ashes liberty will just as inevitably reemerge. Mcain was my last compromise vote. Next time its either Ron Paul or the most radical left wing nutjob on the ballot. Lets face it folks if this thing doesnt turn around in 2010 were on a boat to China. Its either the MCMODERATE or the OBOMALOSI. I say lets take the speedboat
That sounds great, until you know and understand how our government works and why the GOP needs some RINOS, even though we all hate them.
Conservative GOPers will NEVER get elected in Maine and a few other states.
To have a majority ( so that things can get done ) in either/both Houses, you must have a majority and strong leaders. The GOP ( forget about fringe parties ! ) can't get a majority without a few "cats", whom the leaders must "herd".
And last, but far from least………………..get out there, get involved, work within the party, and don't just sit there, pounding away at your keyboards, trying to sound all macho and heroic, coming off, instead, as some stupid child, who is nothing more than an emotional cretin.
Here here – with both parties conspiring to spend us into oblivion, either we change the parties or challenge them. I think both are too far down the road to listen to us…
Well done.
Should the idiots proposing that the Tea Party people form a fringe party, get their way, WE CAN ALL BLAME THEM FOR AN OBAMA SECOND TERM , come November of 2012 !
This childish emotionalism doesn't cut it !
Don't any of you understand politics, history, and how our government works ?
The reason the the GOP became a major party and the Whigs died out, is because the majority of Whigs, plus the Know-Nothings became the GOP !
You and your ilk want to destroy the entire GOP and that will not happen, nor will a Tea Party Party do anything other than insure that ALL Dems get re-elected.
No, all of the Tea Party people I know are GOPers and some Independents, not a one of whom is a LOSERTARIAN and not a one of them thinks that Ron Paul is anything other than an idiot.
I'm willing to give the Gop 2010 If they screw it up there will be no more second chances.
Vote for the BLUE CANDIDATE? ROTFLOL
The Libertarian Party hasn't ever has a "good" candidate, for as long as it has existed. But that guy who turned his skin blue, was a hoot.
Conservative Trash, you are absolutely correct. "This is the liberal revolution…" only your too stupid to understand how. This monstrosity of a government you have created MUST fail. Never in the history of the planet has it not. You cannot govern yourselves, how can you control us? You and your ilk are slaves and serfs. Do you really think that just because you cannot survive without your aristocratic masters providing you a shack or a ghetto and food stamps we will ALL simply submit? You really think we will be ruled? By you? Remember, even your masters won the first battle of Bull Run.
You support Meg Whitman? Meg Whitman; really? Meg Whitman who LOVES Van Jones and praised him to the skies; that Meg Whitman?
Gee……….Whitman may not be quite the garbage candidate that Scuzzyfuzzy was in NY 23, but you really need to educate yourself better.
You DO know who Van Jones is, don't you?
I want thank you for the thumb and no debate.. because it proves all you have is hate.. and the more you hate the more people I get to register independent.. by the way the whole country reads this stuff.
As a matter of fact, the various Tea Parties have candidates running in a NUMBER of races. It's a grassroots thing which you seemingly don't "get." Gutless wonders? More people are involved and educated about politics now than in the last 30 years. If it takes holding a sign and flag and marching around – why do you care? Not all of us are cynics and a-holes. Blow yourself.
Liberal revolution? You mean a "revolution" made by millions of illegal immigrants and convicted felons organised by ACORN into the purplewave ranks of non-english speaking unskilled blow-and-go gardeners and custodial workers who use illegally acquired identification enabling them to vote (illegally) in all U.S. elections?
Is that the "liberal revolution" you speak of? If so, Trash, you are in for a rude, very rude, awakening when the counter-revolution sets in.
Because where the actual meaning of "government" as described in The Constitution of The United States is concerned:
The Legislative Branch is crooked. The Executive Branch and it's supplicant Federal Bureaucracy are crooked. The Judicial Branch is crooked and The Supreme Court is about to be packed. The only straight thing remaining in the Government of this Republic is its Constitution. Hopefully when the dust settles there will be someone left alive who can read what it says and discern the Spirit of its intent.
You should be extremely careful in what you wish for, Trash. In these uncertain times you are likely to find your wish coming true sooner than you think in ways you never dreamed possible.
it is WE the PEOPLE who slowing this thing down not the republicans.. They are to busy shaking in their boots..
socialized medicine.. yes..it is government regulations that created this mess.
cap and trade …yes.. something about Mc Cain
the republicans have been stealing freedom for a long time.. I point to the tax code and all those regulations.. The biggest crime of all was that nasty gerrymandering that both use to ignore the people.
There are few things more sacred to a republic than representation. The one man one vote and all it’s citizens are represented equally promise. Why isn’t voter fraud hounded out of existence? Voter fraud is a direct assault on our republic, it can kill a nation. There is nothing more fraudulent than gerrymandering and it’s creation of an artificial majority based on party affiliation not representation to silence the dissention of we the people. It is one of the reason our congress does not listen to we the people. Gerrymandering is a creation of the government parties to protect their power and to turn representation into re-election.. The parties can not speak of freedom until districts are based on representation not party affiliation.
it is the people who scared them not the republicans..
Will the commenter to this post who is giving every conservative, not-died-in-the-wool-Republican a "thumbs down", please stand up.
Kooz, why would I give the GOP 2010? In my state, they have screwed up for two gubernatorial election cycles. The old boy network won; the people lost. In the primaries, the people voted for him over the good old boy candidate. GOP didn't like it. They gave lip service to supporting Kenneth Blackwell. He wanted to run a conservative, Christian campaign. They didn't like it, so they said "good luck with that". They didn't promote Blackwell like they should have. Well, we got what we deserved. We have a 2nd amendment friendly, but economically idiotic governor, and an ACORN-friendly AG out of the deal. Shame on the OH GOP for not listening to their constituents. They gave up on the race instead of going balls-to-the-wall to win. The Dems didn't win it; the Republican leadership lost it.
Why would I want to give them another chance?
Every time you thumb .. I thank you.. you prove I am right.. And the whole country reads these things .. So you are helping me in my cause to destroy party system..
this hate crap
this party crap
is coming to an end.
First off, this is an excellent thesis. Cudos to Thomas! I've read a lot of politics stuff, but this was fresh and tasty. The whole thesis of the lack of leadership spawning third parties is correct. Why the lacks of leadership? What is it about the GOP prior to and after Reagan? MIddle of the road squishy-crap that just doesn't do it for real conservatives.
The GOP needs to figure out how to rebrand and take advantage of the sentiment of the Tea Party. Too, and what needs to be the new discussion, is a real debate in this country about why are democrats so hell bent on doing anything to get into power and then liberalize the country and force big government down our throats without having to be called up short?
Why not a powerful and national discussion about this isn't what America is about to most of us and we're not going to keep taking this power-grab crap every time the dems get in control. It's not about games and tricks and deals anymore. Keep it up and we'll have a boil-over. Just tell folks that they better shut up and take it. Tell that to the 44% of this country WHO VOTED against the big O, not to mention the millions who don't ever bother to vote.
THE TEA PARTY IS NOT A "POLITICAL PARTY", IT IS AN UPRISING!!!!!!!!! EITHER/OR ARE THE OPTIONS GRANTED TO THE ESTABLISHED political PARTIES!!! "LIBERTY OR DEATH" IS THE RALLYING CRY!!!……… REPRESENT OUR FREEDOMS OR SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES, come election time, unless ……"RECALL ELECTIONS" and/or "CRIMINAL CHARGES" are in order, ………..of course!!!!
1r.. you are fine example of a republican.. thank you for the help.. and please pull those chains off and . Register unaffiliated and put country before party.
Every time they try to pass something "SLEAZY" they always do it by the ("Hair of their shinny shin shin") slightest margin possible, that in it self reeks of conspiracy………..DON'T IT?…..!!!!!!!!!!
This so called POTUS has not shown his birth certificate to this day.This should be a top issue.Instead he has sealed all of his records,All of this can be checked out with little research.The Justice Department does nothing the courts dont have trials on the merits of the case but they throw these cases out for Lack Of Standing.The point i am trying to make is this has went this far because people do not demand what is just in the first place.Bye the way my research leads me to believe he is not even in this country legally.this is the head of the snake and all the venom flows downward from it.
Where am I wrong, in what I have posted? Gives me just one example; if you can manage that.
Was there never a Libertarian candidate who turned his skin blue?
WHY YES, THERE MOST CERTAINLY ONE SUCH !
Has the Libertarian Party EVER fielded a good candidate who could garner even as many votes as Ross Perot ( who is a nutjob ) did?
NO AND NO AGAIN.
Go ahead and try to insult and/.or impugn me, but facts are facts and you don't have any; all you have is emotion.
I said you are a fine example of a republican.. is that insult now?
Consider this, I'm going to do my homework for next year, as I'm sure many of you will as well. I'll give my vote to the candidate who has a proven track record of conservatism, I'll check their voting record and not even consider the party brand. I think that's part of the problem, they've got us so stuck on fighting among ourselves, they slip right on in. I'd love to see the Tea Party'ers set out a list of all candidates that they'd support, even at the state level. I believe there are enough like minded people, who would support such an endeavor, I know I would.
1r ..I wish you Merry Christmas.. I almost forgot do you ever get tired of thumbing like liberal?
Do you EVER "think" or read what you've written before you post something? It doesn't look like it.
such hate..This is the best I can do..I am so sorry it doesn't live up to your standards..us poor serfs are uneducated. Did you ever serve in the military?
"HATE" yes, I guess that one could call what you spew, "HATE".
That "umble pie" Uriah Heap act wore thin long ago., Is that your only tune?
I spew no hate.. where hate.. I see no hate.
I wished you a Merry Christmas.
according to you I am a serf.
Did you ever serve in the military?
I did
A third party would elect a liberal. The republican party would have us elect a 'liberal light'. The problem is we can't tell the difference between a good conservative, principled republican and a lindsay graham/john mccain.
Why can't the tea party start vetting and pushing those good republicans we can count on?
Like the good housekeeping seal of approval, only one for the people who work to make this country what it used to be?
We believe the politicans crave all those powers and controls, and frankly we want it back, where it belongs.
I remember Reagan signing abortion legislation, over the objections of the conservatives. He said "I'm the president of all the people…" and signed it. I have seen none of that from DC for many years now, and for you to mock the very people who held that view, the only time I've seen that view is regressive.
Did you have a point? I read your post several times and got more confused each time.
To the activist judiciary, the law is what they think the framers meant and should have intended.
In the second paragraph, I have no idea what you said or meant. I know I hold conservative things and let it guide my daily life, and many other real americans do as well, is this what you meant?
The last paragraph, I am still baffled by. Did you forget or edit something unintentionally?
McClintock was not a hack and hated for it. But California would have been so much better off if the party leadership hadn't told everyone to vote for Arnold because he was a fiscal conservative?
Where is McClintock now, and can he be coaxed back into public office?
I never once called you a "serf"; that is something you constantly post in your replies; you own it, not I.
Yes, you did wish me a Merry Christmas. You don't mean it and if I wished you the same, I would be a hypocrite……..which you would call me on.
Your bilious posts are full of hate and spite.
You always talk about your service; I don't post personal info. But I am old enough to have lived when there was a DRAFT. take form that what you will.
See what I mean? the powers that be want nothing more than for us to fight each other, and take our eyes off the prize. We the people must take our America back. There are good conservative people in both parties, we should support them, and kick out all others. There are many more of us than there are of them, all we need to do is keep our eyes on the prize, America, and our children's and grandchildren's future. PLEASE! stop bickering, it's not helpful. The trolls don't have to be here, we're fighting each other without their help.
well my foe you would be wrong. I want your help..just because we don't see eye to eye doesn't mean we can't be useful to each other..
We need a third party. The GOP is intellectually and morally bankrupt with the likes of Rove, Bush and McCain. The dhimmies are just Marxists.
Mac…I also post in lib land and sometimes you must let people run their course before they are ready to talk and find common ground. I am Independent who seeks no parties. 1r is a republican.. who see me as a foe. we both need democrats to see the light.
freedom lives in the hearts of independents..
We don't see eye to eye on one extremely important thing.
You want a new party and the death of the GOP.
I want a cleaned up, re-energized, revitalized, back to where it needs to be GOP, with only the few, the very few RINOS in it, that we can't do without to have and maintain majority. Unlike you, I know that there are some states, where it would be impossible to get a conservative GOPer elected; not to mention beyond impossible to get some right leaning fringe party candidate elected.
I'm pragmatic; you're emotional.
I would gladly take your help and yes, my side of this coin does need you and people like you. OTOH, there is absolutely no way ( as in Hell will freeze over, before it happens ) that I can or shall help you with a "new" party.
I was fiercely against Scuzzyfuzzy, in NY 23 and wholeheartedly supported Bill Owen! That whole mess was an anomaly, as there was not only no primary ( the situation precluded one ), but those who picked Scuzzyfuzzy were a minority that forced its will on the board.
The LAST thing I want is for Obama to be re-elected; I don't know how I'm going to manage having him as president these next three years! But a right leaning fringe party will ensure his re-election.
So HOW do you see us "helping each other? I really would like to know the answer to that and yes, I am being honest and have no hidden agenda; I would like to know what you meant by it, is all.
it is destruction of the party system I seek. not a third party. I also know in the end I might Have vote for a republican….but we both need democrats to see the light.. but democrats are not here they are Koma and KATU..just supplying the truth is the help I need to fight the lies the democratic cronies put out.. it is numbers of people defending the truth that will make the difference.
Actually, I am attorney and have all of my clients read the contracts they sign – most attorneys do that.
The very LAST thing this nation needs is a destruction of all parties!
The FFs started out that way and then quickly found out that that didn't work at all.
Lets say that you got your wish……………
The first thing that would happen is a re-emergence of two major political parties; it's the nature of the beast. We don't have a parliamentary system, thanks to the FFs, but our government wouldn't work with say 50 completely different individuals, who had no commonality/positions, in the Senate; ditto, with different numbers in the House.
I don't need anyone "to see the light"; I know what I want…….. NO MARXIST/SOCIALIST crap, a smaller government, lower taxes, NO DAMNED GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE, less crazy regulation ( the ones that make no sense at all and all of the nanny state junk ), and hewing to the Constitution, for starters.
If you don't want Obama to be able to continue shoving his obscene agenda down our throats, yes, you will have to breakdown and vote GOP. There's nothing else you can do, right now.
What kind of "TRUTH" do you want me to post?
There are NO "conservative" Dems !
NO THIRD PARTY!!!!!!!!!! You are asking for Democrat commie rule by slitting the vote. Clean out the Republican party. The Communist took over the Democratic party from within and we must do the same. Reagan was looked down by the blue blood Republicans that are the same weasels that are in the leadership now. We must vote them out. Start now with the primaries. Put up and financial support people who support the Constitution. Give money directly individuals running for office and NOT another dime to the Republican Party. They aren't listening to us.
If we debate the party system it will get us two no where.
we believers in what we do. it is your passion that I like not your politics.
the truth about global warming. HC or what ever silly thing they put out. just defending the truth.. just pop in over there once and while and help a fellow republican getting hammered by some fools..but you must be nice ignore their crap and stick with the truth. When I started there we few republicans and independents now the number is growing.. we are helping people speak out. People have greater courage when they know they are not alone.
you need them to vote conservative..
you need them to vote conservative.
If we argue about the party system, we will forever be at each other's throats.
I'm passionate about politics.
I have no idea what sites you post to, other than this one and have no desire to bed on a mixed board ever again.
Are you new to posting on a forum or other kind of site?
Long, long ago, when I was new to this, I posted on a mixed site; did so for a couple of years and don't care to do that ever again. WHY? Because just as when you and I argue ( it isn't a debate ) about political parties, nobody wins.
Facts truly don't matter to people ( especially Dems and even more especially to far lefties ) who believe that they are right, even when all of the facts say otherwise.
The last bit is true, but I've fought the lunatics all by myself, or in the company of very few who were on my side. Everyone needs to get there; especially when they know the truth/facts.
I was talking about Dem politicians; not voters. I'm sorry that I didn't make that clearer.
"Who's John Galt?"
bbtaddpole is absolutly right!!!!! All of you people seem to think that if you take over the republican party, he same failed leadership will be calling the shots. THAT'S ONLY IF YOU LET THEM!!!!!! They can't run what they don't have the numbers for. You take over the party, you choose the leaders, and you set the platform. They have no say and most likely will go over to the democrats which they secretly are anyway! Stop trying to talk yourselves out of what you need to do!
fair enough..
the following site will put you among friends and republicans who believe as you. they a good people
http://912communique.ning.com/page/vent-20
don't worry I dont post there much for they are too republican for me..
Sir, first off I'd like to apologize for the comment I made to you in your reference about Ronald Reagan. I'm afraid we shall never see another politician cut from the VERY unique cloth of Mr.Reagan.Again, I meant no disrespect, for if we don't stand together we will surely fall seperately.
However, under our current form of government(which,as much as we wish, isn't going to change soon) we MUST vote Republican and DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY! Any third party candidate merely divides the conservative vote. Also, if I may take issue with you on 1 other point, most libertarians believe ANYTHING goes, this is not what our founders envisioned. We are not free to do as we please in the name of liberty.I believe you would be SHOCKED to learn just how many libs identify politically as LIBERTARIANS.
i would rather have you as a republican than democrat any day. you are to hard to beat.
Merry Christmas and may the health care bill fail.
Wow, I visited your IDP and I must apologize for my remarks made earlier, as I find we agree on at least 99.999% of every issue. I believe you misunderstood what I was originally asking you.I was HONESTLY asking your opinion of the writings of A.Rand and why you vehemently disagree with her.I merely asked for an objective answer so you could be crystal clear in your response, not coming from a opinion based on subjectivity. I would welcome your answer as I haven't read much of Rand's writings and would like to learn of your objections to her.
Thank you and a very Merry Christmas to you and yours !
May the abomination of a health care Bill go down in flames, once it is reconciled, but I have a dreadful feeling, in the pit of my stomach, that it will get passed and signed and THEN be taken to court……all the way to the SOCTUS.
TERM LIMITS!!
I don't like the change of tone, yet again; nor trust you.
I gave you an honest assessment and you childishly went after me using sexual terms and insults, like a wayward adolescent.
But I'll give it one last shot; you tear into me again and you will regret it !
Rand is a bad writer. She is verbose ( yes, yes, so was Dickens, but his work is well written and not boring; though at times, a bit preachy ), rambling, delivers many page long banal,inane, turgid, boring soliloquies, which are taken as "intellectual" by her sycophants, but when boiled down to the guts of the matter, are dross.
She was an immoral woman and so are many of her characters; the ones you're supposed to "look up to" and "emulate", according to her fans.
There is nothing "heroic" about running away from problems, nor in doing what you are paid to do and then destroying it, because you don't like what was done to it. The first is cowardice, the second is criminal vandalism; not to mention worse than that, childish.
She preached ( yes, PREACHED ) a kind of individualism and self reliance that was neither. It was more like an early version of "IF IT FEELS GOOD DO IT" , combined with the kind of thumbing of the nose that 13 year olds do to adults. Her convoluted "Objectivism" boils down to REALITY IS WHATEVER YOU THINK IT IS.
Hey Guys—-Don't waste your money.
You are so right Roger. We have to admit they number only a few right now but they will surface. I hope that the 9/12 and the Tea Party people will absorb and control the republican party come the the next election.
My main point was is if I don't see a move to the Right in the GOP, I too will be done with them. I have not liked anything the Republicans have done of late, but feel our best chances of taking things back is by moving the GOP back to their conservative values. If we break from them (and we may have to) our chances are probably slim to none of gaining power for the people (hope I am wrong but historically this is mostly true) but like Del Becarro says,
"After all, the Republican Party came into being because the Whig Party of the 1850’s and 1860’s was perceived as not willing to provide effective leadership on the most divisive issue of the day – if not the most divisive issue ever: slavery. Appearing too accomodationist to many voters, a third major party came into being under the leadership of Lincoln and others: the Republican Party – a party that, in time, took a decisive stand against slavery."
So there is a chance, but I am not certain there is enough of us to make it work….And yes I do believe the Reps have been very disingenuous for years, I am tired of them too. I think that is why I feel like we are doomed. But I will die for liberty and I mean it. This is just how I am starting to engage in this moment in time. I cannot sit here and just blog, I have to do something….
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV>Why so jaded?I didn't ask you to trust me or to approve of my change of tone.You sound very elitist.Are you ever remorseful or retrospective of your own actions?And please, no threats. You didn't give me an honest assessment, only insults.However, thanks for the info and please, don't take everything so personally that it affects your daily attitude. You seem to be very unhappy and I'm sorry if I added to your unhappiness. Remember, there's only 1 God, and we're not him.Thanks again, fight the GOOD fight.</DIV> <DIV style=\”FONT: 10pt arial\”>
fair enough…
I knew shouldn't have bothered. Oh well…………………
Grow up and stop trying to psychoanalyze people you post to; you are completely wrong and utterly clueless.
It wasn't a threat, it was a promise; but, I have decided that you aren't worth the bother as I don't pull the wings off flies.
"Elitist" ? Is that what you call others whose replies you don't understand ?
I gave you honest, clearly stated facts, both times I answered your same question.
Nope, I don't navel gaze and I suggest that you refrain from doing it.
I don't suffer fools lightly; take from that what you will.
I'm far happier than you appear to be; do try to get the help you need for your projection complex.
I never claimed to be GOD and you should take your own advice.
I always "fight the good fight" and don't want you in my foxhole.
You are doing more than just blogging you have your beliefs and you stand by them.. You in turn give encouragement to others to make a stand. There is one fact you must go where others need your help such as KOMA, KATU to face the democrats one on one. Arm your self with truth and those who read those blogs will get the courage to stand up. . We can change America one person at a time. I don’t believe in the party system for it will always fall to corruption and abuse.. I fight my battle one person at a time and I am confident in my truth.
There are good republicans and independents at this site. These are good people and can arm you with facts to help you in your cause.
http://912communique.ning.com/page/vent-20
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV>Me doth think thou protest too much. I did indeed thank you for your synopsis of A.Rand's writings. You are far too sensitive and ready to criticize when someone agrees with you. Believe it or not, you are also only human.I truly feel sorry for you.Take your own advice, think about it.</DIV> <DIV style=\”FONT: 10pt arial\”>
Sure, not one of which is, Scalia is correct.
Merry Christmas.
Methinks ( correct spelling, please take note ) thou art far too into yourself and irrational, not to mention petulant, childish, sensitive, and strangely egomanical to actually understand most posts, or anything else; dear.
Your silly, foulmouthed, churlish insults and misdirected, delusional psychobabble is laughable.
I don't feel sorry for you ( though I suppose I should, but you've eroded any charity I might have granted you ), I most assuredly don't need nor want your prayers ( pray for yourself, you need them far more than I ), and I suggest that you stop digging that hole. They more you dig, the more foolish you become.
I may be a mere human, but you, pet, are subhuman.
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV>ha ha, good, got under your thin skin, megalomaniac</DIV> <DIV style=\”FONT: 10pt arial\”>
Nope. I'm LAUGHING AT YOU; you didn't "get under my skin" at all. You're silly !
You need to understand the definition of the words you use and use them correctly, or not at all. Do try to refrain from calling someone else a "megalomaniac" out of hand; you just keep making a fool out of yourself; you poor thing.
"Thin skin" ? That would be what you are suffering from. If you didn't, you would never have resorted, immediately, when you didn't understand what I wrote ( being objective is NOT the same thing as OBJECTIVISM, but my use of the word Objectivism set you off into tirades of sexual impugnings ) about Randian "pseudo" philosophy.
Are you truly certain that you agree with me 99.999999999999% of the time? Better recheck my posts; perhaps you didn't understand those either.
Good argument state's rights! Yes, I agree; however, you do realize we have had socialist elections since 1913, right? In many states such as CA and NY the GOP is the DNC. Read Federalist Papers 55 and 56 and check out http://www.thirty-thousand.org also Article 1 Section 2 and Article 4 Section 4 US Constitution. Notice if you read the whole constitution the word democracy is not mentioned once because prior to 1913 we were a complex Republic. Neither party wants a free Republic, of which we once had, we had a democracy since 1913, now we are nearly full blown socialists, matter of time when we have a fiat dictatorship.
Here is some help the Constitution Party and the Libertarians are the only free parties. All the others Green, Socialists, Peace and Freedom, are extensions of both the DNC and GOP. If you vote for the Republican vote for the once not endorsed by the GOP. You've got rule number 1 correct never vote for the Incumbent, and never vote for a democrat see Article 4 Secton 4 US Constitution.
Ask Chuck if he'll abolish the 17th amendment? If he says no then you know he doesn't believe in a free Republic. http://www.nightingaleforgovernor.com since Moonbeam and Whitman are exactly the same please consider Chelene.
Support candidates who want to abolish the 16th amendment. I like the http://www.constitutionparty.com
Check out Chuck Baldwin and the http://www.constitutionparty.com
How about supporting http://www.marshallderosa.com there in Florida
Then don't vote for a Republican endorsed by the GOP.
Actually we've been socialists since 1913. I can expand on it if you wish.
Vote for http://www.marshallderosa.com Florida US Senate
Wow, you do realize that we've been socialists since 1913, right?
That is probably the GOP's intent in the first place.
The only way to repeal the Federal Reserve and the 16th amendment is to enforce the 30,000 rule first. Article 1 Section 2 or go to http://www.thirty-thousand.org
The only way to repeal the Federal Reserve and the 16th amendment is to enforce the 30,000 rule first. Article 1 Section 2 or go to http://www.thirty-thousand.org
Try reading these first Article 1 Section 2 and Article 4 Section 4 US Constitution. Also you can check out http://www.thirty-thousand.org and read Federalist Papers 55 and 56. It might be wise to ensure a few 3rd party elections are won in the first place to make sure our elections are still valid. Illegal aliens do vote in California that is a fact, and I assume in other big states such as New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida. If you don't want to vote for a RINO make sure they are not endorsed by the GOP which is an extension of the DNC.
I'm voting for Nightingale. There is no difference between Moonbeam and Whitman. If Carly Fiorina has a chance at beating Boxer I'll vote for her. However; since Chuck DeVore hasn't answered my question when I asked him if he would abolish the 17th amendment I will not be voting for him.
He is a congressman in Nothern California.
Why not support http://www.nightingaleforgovernor.com in CA?
err… ONE of which is, definately, that Scalia is correct.
Hopefully our which Judiciary will take pause, given the state of things, and not takes un-unbearable exculcations. Though we understand those as well.
IE – Scalia is correct, but the US Constituion and Declaration of Independence have more meaning, contained within, still…
Unfortunately, its not just a problem with the parties. Its a problem with our countrymen who would not know the constitution if it jumped up and kicked them in the ass! Its the half of this country who have no skin in the game, and dont care to, and dont foot the bill. These non-participating 'citizens' will have to be dis-infranchised before we ever take this country back, non taxpayers deciding how much and for what purpose taxpayers should have confiscated on their behalf is insane. Do you really think it will ever be enough?
Secondly, restore States rights. If all the libs on the coasts want to take their state to hell go ahead, dont drag mine down with you.
While I agree that eventually we need another person as the lead, I think, tactically, it is good that we don't have such a person right now. If there were a Ronald Reagan, the left would be going after that person like crazy. But right now, the left has to resort to going after citizenry (the tea party folks) and Limbaugh (who isn't running for any office). Having someone emerge later on keeps that person from being a punching bag for literally a few years. Also lets the left self-destruct some more.
It is, coming from you and how you meant it is more than obvious to all.
I agree. All incumbents must go!
I agree with you that they are libertarians and just don't know it. And I do think Ron Paul is on the right track, however I like Palin too. I wish these two sides of the third party movement could get together. I think they are very much alike.
So, so easy to spot at this point: the "shut up/personal insult" combo. No dialogue, no logical reasoning, no thought at all. Guess what, the majority is taking your advice – WE ARE OUT. Hope you enjoyed your temporary high.
They've been working at it since 1913. And it is always rejected when people realize what it is.
It's the sneaky little baby steps that have taken us here, and it's taken the liberal radicals almost 100 years to pull it off. Even Obama wasn't elected on a socialist platform, but on a harder working, a smarter government with lower taxes for 95% of american workers. He actually had rhetoric that made him seem to the right of wishy/washy john mccain.
I do realize since 1913 socialism has been failing all over the planet and won't work here any better.
I don't "need" DEMS, in order to "see the light"; why do YOU?
There's right and wrong and if you want to see my saying that as wrong, okay, but it's how I see things.
No, I don't support GOPers who are all wet/jerks/squishy. There were only two reason that I voted for McQueeg ( whom I detest )…….Sarah Palin and the possibility of a President Obama was NOT something I could face. Unlike most, I knew right away just how dreadful he would be as president and he hasn't disappointed med in that.
Am I "too Republican" for you, too?
I may be staunch, but I'm not hidebound.
Thanks for the link, but I don't flit much and for now, just read/post to this site and BigHollywood.
I will not go to a third party unless the Repubs. keep pushing me to it, i really hope the Repubs. can get there act together, they are running out of time.
The Bart Simpsons of the left and right follow the mantra Its better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission. Just hope america shows no mercy to these lying pieces of trash.
Even after firing so many RINO republicans the last couple election cycles I see precious little move from the RNC or Steele to realign the party with the base it has always had and so desperately needs now.
We have not fired enough RINO's it seems.
Yes, have the tea party put out a list of candidates they support! And if some of those happen to be republicans that earned the tea party approval, all the better.
But he absolutely need a way to weed out any remaining liberal republicans.
Have you read the declaration of independence lately?
The second paragraph, even if you just read the first half of that paragraph…
http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/freedom/...
Anyone who thinks that voting in Republicans in any future election is going to change what is going on is smoking crack. When the Ron Paul folks ran for central committees the Republicans sued them for winning elections, and broke their own bylaws to throw them out. The Republican Party is corrupt and out of touch and every single "leader" in the Republican Party needs to be thrown out on their butts. Their are a few exceptions but not many. This, my party has become a joke.
Yes they have. I agree with you on the problem, but not the solution you have to it.
Would your solution to abandon the Republican party effect the support the democrat party already has?
If not, you are asking us to kill the only defense we have against our enemy, the liberals. Our defender may be horrible, but we should focus on victory over liberals, even those in the republican party. Not on the defeat of the only organized way to reach that victory, and a third party right now is not a path to victory in the only election left before our country becomes marxist.
What about supporting Rubio?
Or would you rather drain support away from a good quality candidate that would defeat a political hack like Crist?
But he has the desire, the will, the fire in the belly to stand for liberty and the values of conservatism. That's a good thing and a great place to start from.
He/She may have already written a book and had all kinds of support touring for it.
Good analysis. We had a Ronald Reagan in heels, and they did do that to her.
And she had to side step a lot of attacks at huge personal cost. (resigning)
But down is not the same as out.
You miss something in the Ross Perot votes. We had Bush 41 who promised 'Read my lips" and then lied and stabbed us in the back. I didn't vote for Perot as much as I did vote against a 'moderate' lying taxing loser. The republican party has my attention and voter registration. But if they want my vote, they have to put out a candidate that I can vote for, and Bush wasn't it. Sure, I did vote Perot. But it was the republicans by choosing the wrong candidate that elected Clinton. Dole? They had to be kidding. McCain? It was the open primaries that got him that nomination along with hacks like Governor Crist who endorsed him at just the right moment. (thank you very much, I'll support Rubio this time).
If the republican party swings to the left then screams it's our fault for a liberal we need to fire this RNC chairman just like we booted the last. They don't have tenure like a union teacher.
I want the defeat of a weak 'moderate, centerist' republican party. I want a strong conservative constitutional, value oriented' party. And we can use the tea party to get that. We need the tea party to help us line up strong, ethical, loyal american candidates we can support to overwhelm the spineless republicans in office now. Then we have the party and our candidates.
We shouldn't be forced to settle for less.
And did the people scare the democrats?
That's a huge difference.
They've been trying since 1913. And after a hundred years they are finally making great headway.
But it has always been by lying and misleading. We as a people have never chosen someone who was understood to be a marxist. The media fools tricked a lot of people this time too. "lower taxes for 95% of the working americans" was more to the right than McCain.
That's why moderate republicans are so dangerous. They don't show the contrast to expose the other side.
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV>You are absolutely correct and I spoke out of context, emotionally. At the time I let his comment about Mr.Reagan losing his mind get to me. I've since apologized to the young man and hope he has accepted my sincere regret. \”United, We Stand, Divided, We Fall\”! I will, however, admit to almost getting teary-eyed when waxing nostalgic about the \”Gipper\” and what he did for this great country of ours. It truly was \”Morning again in America\”.Fight the good fight, friend.</DIV> <DIV style=\”FONT: 10pt arial\”>
IntenseDebate Notification <DIV>You are absolutely correct and I spoke out of context, emotionally. At the time I let his comment about Mr.Reagan losing his mind get to me. I've since apologized to the young man and hope he has accepted my sincere regret. \”United, We Stand, Divided, We Fall\”! I will, however, admit to almost getting teary-eyed when waxing nostalgic about the \”Gipper\” and what he did for this great country of ours. It truly was \”Morning again in America\”.Fight the good fight, friend.</DIV> <DIV style=\”FONT: 10pt arial\”>
My thoughts exactly, they are just waiting for the opportunity to eviscerate that He/She. We all saw what they did to Palin. Unbelievable!
I agree Roger.
Just support the best candidate,regardless of party. Listen to Sarah Palin.
Once again, I agree.
I'm changing from Ind to Republican so I can vote for Rubio in FL Repub primary.
Just support the best candidate you can find. Don't give the Dems a victory they don't deserve.
Education.
My son voted for Obama and after seeing what's been done would never do so again.
The Dems (and moveon and the lamestream media ) did a major job on Bush and the repubs for the last 8 years. A large number of well-meaning people wanted change-they just were snowed and didn't realize what they were getting.
Educate them. You'll find they are willing to listen. They've been lied to once again and really stepped in it this time.
Where is the Tea Party? See, they have NO plan B ever. A one trick pony.
HC sparks 10th Amendment action: 7 states taking action
"According to AP, South Carolina's Henry McMaster is being joined by the attorneys general of Michigan and Washington state in a suit to determine the constitutionality of the Obamacare proposal. Their initiative was prompted by a request from South Carolina's two senators, Lindsay Graham and Jim DeMint, both Republicans.
"Attorneys-general in at least four other states are also considering joining McMasters, according to AP. A move by a group of states to challenge the constitutionality of Obamacare could reinvigorate the efficacy of the 10th Amendment, which reserves to the states or the people all rights not specifically granted to the federal government."
Read More… http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/b...
I'm always concerned when a pundit seems to misunderstand the language he's writing in. TDB us the phrase "by-in-large." This is a new one to me. I've always understood the phrase to be "by and large." When someone can't use language and its phrases properly, I have to wonder at the content of what he says as well. If one of my students misused an idiom like that, I'd dock the grade big time.
So I can't trust what this guy says….
I think Marshall DeRosa is the best choice for Florida and the United States. Maybe the whole point is to get Rubio elected in the first place by both the GOP and the DNC.
They've already succeeded since 1913. Direct Elections of US Senators check, Central Bank (Federal Reserve) check, Armed international banking cartel (IRS) check, frozen 435 membership of US Congress (30,000 rule) check. Seems to me we have had Soviet Union style of elections for quite a while.
Election Success = Fiscally Conservative + Socially Benign
The American people believe in redemption and second chances, which is good, but not when it is given to a politician. It is part of the original philosophy of America is to elect people who would fix some need and then good back to society and live under the rules that they created. The term re-elect spits in the face of that principle.
The old saying excuses are like axxholes everyone has one, well every politician has an excuse for failure.
Most states are fire at will, which translates your boss can fire you for good reason, bad reason, or no reason at all, and it is time to fire them all, so they can live under the rules they created. It is our duty to fire these politicians, so others can fix the problems that political greed has created.
Have you listened to Rubio?
He's from a background that understands Cuba and what a life without freedom is.
Or is he really another communist disciple? True, most Cubans aged 50 and older vote for Republicans; however, all the 3rd generations vote for the Democrats. If I could vote in Florida I'd vote for DeRosa. I like his speeches better. Remember when Governnor Arnold claimed how evil socialism was in his native Austria? Well, it turns out he is a socialist. Might want to vote for DeRosa anyway to make sure our elections aren't rigged in the first place. If DeRosa wants to abolish the 17th amendment that says a lot from him rather than his opponents.
you`re wrong – and I take it personal.you should research what the founders did before they began the revolution.your idea works,for a little while. then your property is put under lien,etc. they don`t have to jail you -they just evict you. they`re printing money now, no reason for them to stop.bottom line is you, and everyone that follows your lead now have way more important things to do than screw with the govt., your property is given to some poor unfortunate who "needs" it. mad yet? want to get your gun and shoot them? good, now you give them what they really want – a reason to declare martial law, that suspends the constitution. happy now? it must be done in accordance with the constitution,with being an involved and informed voter.there is always the option of force – but it is the last option.
The the candidates aren't educating the voters to the weakness and failures of what they have.
We need a way of getting past the media and controllers, and speaking directly to the voters in a way that they can learn and spread their new understandings as well.
Yes, factis laid it out pretty well.
Government is overreaching and people in a free country with a free background do not like being tormented at every turn.
Sadly, most people no longer know how out government works, let alone its factual history.
The MSM is just an arm of the DNC and has been for a very long time.
There's FaceBook now, which Palin has and is using to her advantage.
There are sites such as this one.
It's up to us to get the facts out there, educated everyone we know, even slightly, and get involved!
No. He is NOT another communist disciple. He understands how evil it is.
It's not theory to him. We need people that know the real world and understand it's not a movie or set on the stage to follow the cue cards the liberals are printing up.
The democrats didn’t have a hard sell to get elected. It was easy. The last administration left a taste that won’t go away for a long time……..now lets see…….will it be democrap, republicant, or teabagger party…….personally, I need another option.
We are at the end of a long process by which the institutions that have always represented our country have been subverted. We have a President who believes that the government is answerable to no one, a Legislative branch that believes much the same, and a Supreme Court that believes that the Constitution means whatever they say it is. All three are wrong.
The Constitution is a legal document through which we agree to ALLOW OURSELVES to be governed, subject to the restrictions it places upon those we elect to govern us. It is a CONTRACT between a free people and our employees – a group that includes ALL THREE BRANCHES of government.
When they abrogate that contract – or forget that they are our employees and not our masters, the contract is voided. It would be better for them if they didn't void that contract.
I hope you are right. Did he sign an affidavit or something? Because the truth is that you just don't know. Just because a politicans says he is a Republlican or Democrat doesn't mean they are one. Since, the Bush family has been expanding in Florida it would be safer to vote for DeRosa anyway. Ask him if he will unfreeze the membership in congress if he says no then you know he doesn't believe in a free Republic. Ask him if he will abolish the 17th amendment, there is another clue. Call me crazy but we've had the same style of elections as the Soviet Union since 1913.
Check for yourself. Education is important and you shouldn't believe me anyhow. Go to the source!
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But the election style is set, it can't be changed by politicians until they are elected and have power. Once they have power they no longer have a reason to change anything. It's a vicious cycle.
Which is why Constituionalists should be elected in the first place. The Republican party is the Democrat party. It is just like pro wrestling they don't really hate each other.
Thanks for the link though. Remember the Presidency is a Bush family business. The whole point might be for them to elect Rubio in the first place. Tell him to repeal the 17th amendment if he doesn't than you know he is a socialist.
The republican party is what the democrat party was in the early 60's. But the democrat party has devolved into something sinister.
Have you read about holdren? About Jenner? About so many of these appointees? For someone like Dr. Ezekial Emanuel have any influence and still keep his medical license after saying there are higher priorities than caring for a patient?
The two parties may both leave a lot to be desired, but they are not the same.
Bush? Forget about them, they support Crist. At least they did during his rise in Florida.
Look at the current issues, Bush is not up for election.
Gary Johnson 2012
Yes, I am fully aware of the true intentions of the GOP/DNC. Roger, I respect your opinions if Rubio (blondy) wins the primiary then I trust your judgement; however, if it is the other prick then vote for DeRosa. You don't even need to go that far look at the Supreme Court. There are very few free or true Republicans. I disagree with the 60s analogy. The Democrat party has been hijacked for quite some time by NeoMarxists or whatever you want to call it. However, since the Republican party has kept us into a \”democracy\” since 1913 find that there efforts are noting but collarboration with the dems, and the truth is that the CA, NY, PA GOP has been hijacked by the DNC as well. It is vitally important the California where I live wakes up and elects Nightingale for governor. I myself am going to run for a local office in 2012. My agenda beside slower taxes, repeal the 16th, 17th amendments but most importantly unfreeze congress. Once, that is down we will have our free complex Republic back. If you vote for Rubio make sure he reads and understands Article 4 Section 4 US Constitution.
Are you aware Rubio is not a blondie? Have you checked into his campaign at all?
Well, your living in California that explains your knowing about Tom McClintock. The open primaries all over the country have allowed the democrats to choose our candidates. We must get control of our own primaries.
I spoke to a southerner who was a life long democrat, and her grandfather owned slaves. (not many, just a small farm) and she explained about the democrat party of old. How it was for the common man, the struggling land owner trying to keep what was theirs. She said this was not the democrat party of today. It has been hijacked, by the very people that McCarthy was trying to protect us from when he had his hearings.
No wonder the press and liberals attacked him so completely.
Just finished reading Tom Del Beccaro's book, "The New Conservative Paradigm". It was fantastic. He has a great website also http://www.politicalvanguard.com Yes, the republican party is going through a purging and refining, all thanks to the Tea Party movement that has really woke the citizenry up. Maximize Your Freedom – Limit Your Government! http://www.KenHunter.Com
Umm…dmarney, I think you just described the Democratic party better than anyone ever has before you. Great job. Thank you.
JWJ, I just finished reading Tom Del Beccaro's book, "The New Conservative Paradigm.' I think you would like it a lot. Tom also has a great website at http://www.politicalvanguard.com.
@LauraBoatright= Thank you for your comments. Yes, Lets light some candles!
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David Bowie? Hmmmm. I dunno, need a catchier song. I like David though, very interesting fellow. Is he a commonsense conservative. I think Ted Nugent could right you a nice bumpin theme song!
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Isn't that crazy McCarthy was right after all? Did you know President Thomas Jefferson tried to abolish alavery as his first act as President? Naturally, the democrats voted it down. When Jefferson was governor of Virginia in 1803 he tried to abolish slavery there too. Naturally, the democrats voted it down.
Are you aware that \”rubio\” translates literally to blonde or blondy in English? I'm quite fluent in Spanish.
Better than saying juero.
If you are trying to tell me guero than that is the correct spelling of \”juero\” which is a Mexican word, and since blondy is from Cuba I guess he wouldn't like that. If you have a chance ask Rubio if he'll abolish the 17th amendment and unfreeze congress if we are truly to give power to the people. If he doesn't win the primary the state of Florida is better off voting for DeRosa.
In southern california, the border town I spoke spanish in, it was with a J, and they added a 'ito' to the end for added insult.
Language is relative. Guero is the correct spelling. \”Ito\” means little for example Juan means John Juanito mans Johnny. Mexican Spanish is a dialect. I speak Castellano (King's Spanish) I can barely understand Mexican Spanish because it is a dialect and they don't pronounce many letters in their words or their words a completely made up. Latin countries also include Italy, France, and Romania, and Portugal. The only reason why we Americans spell things differently than British English or King's English is because of Webster. He purposely wanted to insult King George so he omitted certain letters in many words such as colour, honour, and armour. You can order a quesadilla in California or Mexico and they'll bring you are tortilla with cheese. If you go to Spain they'll bring you eggs. English and German are much more complex languages because we have many, many, more words than Spanish, and the other Latin languages, even though we borrow heavily from the French we also have many cognitives from Spanish, because English does have some Latin origins even though it is Germanic. For example we say Incredible and in Spanish they say Incredible it is just pronounced differently because they vowel sounds are always the same in Spanish which for me was a very easy language to learn.
All that is probably true. As far as you took it.
For example Saxon is germanic in origin, but Norman was french. Cow is more 'saxon/germanic' in origin with it's guttural sounds. Beef was 'norman' with it's close 'bovine' French based on latin.
But Juerito is what they call caucasians men when they want to call them 'little whities' like we would have called african americans 'darkies' in the deep south in more racial times.
While you want to sound impressive, what does all that have to do with the topic at hand?
I am impressive. You started it. Gringo is the universal term. I merely called Rubio blondy and you went off. The word is spelled \”guero.\” 'nuff said.
Not so much. I know street lingo, you can go talk in Castile all you want.
And Gringo is close, but not the same. If you knew street talk you'd know that.
Fine, you win Roger.
Tom
Great article, I enjoyed your perspective, including the John Anderson story (I'm dating myself I expect.)
I'd like to chat with you about the next steps for Republicans to win congressional seats in California. I joined your team in '06 with a goal to chase Tauscher out of town. Mission accomplished, so what's next?
MARKHAM ROBINSON FOR GGOVERNOR 2010 AIP!! tHE ONLY HONEST CANDIDATE!!! just say no to nightingale
how do I find out where to meet with or know in advance where teapartyers are going to be
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