PLA Senior Colonel: ‘The China Dream’ Means US Defeat
by Steve SchippertOn the path to 9/11, many of us National Security wonks were intensely studying and tracking China and its activities before the al-Qaeda attacks of 9/11. Just as so many had our eyes too focused on a single ball then, it is a necessary exercise of experience and wisdom to ensure the same mistake is not made again, simply in the reverse.
We cannot afford to be – neither as a National Security community nor as a society – so critically focused on our terrorist enemies as to lose sight of an equally determined if even more patient strategic competitor. Though the Chinese are much less overt than our terrorist enemies, their grand strategies and ambitions are hardly invisible. One need simply look for them and recognize them when seen.
In a Reuters article, “China PLA officer urges challenging U.S. dominance,” there is a wake-up call for those perhaps needing it.
From the Reuters article:
The call for China to abandon modesty about its global goals and “sprint to become world number one” comes from a People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Senior Colonel, Liu Mingfu, who warns that his nation’s ascent will alarm Washington, risking war despite Beijing’s hopes for a “peaceful rise.”
“China’s big goal in the 21st century is to become world number one, the top power,” Liu writes in his newly published Chinese-language book, “The China Dream.”
“If China in the 21st century cannot become world number one, cannot become the top power, then inevitably it will become a straggler that is cast aside,” writes Liu, a professor at the elite National Defense University, which trains rising officers.
His 303-page book stands out for its boldness even in a recent chorus of strident Chinese voices demanding a hard shove back against Washington over trade, Tibet, human rights, and arms sales to Taiwan, the self-ruled island Beijing claims as its own.
“As long as China seeks to rise to become world number one … then even if China is even more capitalist than the U.S., the U.S. will still be determined to contain it,” writes Liu.
This new book, written by a Peoples Liberation Army senior colonel, is the next logical progression (and strategic expression) from an earlier book from PLA colonels, Unrestricted Warfare, from the early 1990’s. It was written by two officers in China’s People’s Liberation Army and was the Chinese strategic reaction to the effortless and highly technical American obliteration of the world’s fourth largest standing army, Saddam’s Iraqi army in the Gulf War. The world – even including most Americans – was stunned at the alacrity with which America swatted a massive but technologically inferior foe. In many respects, the Iraqi army resembled China’s own PLA: Massive yet inferior. American dominance was undeniable.
For the terrorist enemies we are focused on today, their reaction then was similar to China’s. Terrorist groups and their state sponsors reacted to the humiliation of the world’s largest Arab and Muslim army by convening emergency meetings in Sudan, hosted by Sudanese President Hassan al-Turabi. Good friend Tom Joscelyn aptly called al-Turabi “The Pope of Terrorism,” as the Sudanese leader urged attendees following Saddam’s American drubbing to lay down their Islamic ideological differences and unite to fight the greater common enemy: America.
In attendance to these regular strategy sessions were both Sunni and Shi’a terrorist groups – and their state sponsors. Hizballah, Hamas, Osama bin Laden (who resided in Sudan at the time) and what would eventually become al-Qaeda, Iran, Iraq, Syria and others. They recognized that they must adjust in order to defeat a dominant America. And defeating America was the primary shared mission. Disparate groups with their own internal rivalries and differences determined to cooperate and focus on America. With 9/11 less than a decade away, the cooperation among terrorist rivals commenced.
Likewise, China’s Unrestricted Warfare explained to Chinese military and civilian leadership after the shock of the Gulf War that in order to compete and defeat the unrivaled American military machine, it must defeat America on all fronts – including economic, legal, social and international relations. It must do all things necessary to blunt the American edge, including corporate espionage and stealing American technology (especially nuclear) through exploiting military and technological exchange & cooperation programs.
The PLA officer’s book laid the path to Chinese parity with and eventual dominance over America: Warfare on all fronts with a level of patience and foresight foreign to most Americans.
This latest book, The China Dream, is the next logical strategic progression. It appears to put attainable goals and means directly ahead for China – affirming the long term strategic vision while targeting immediate gains and victories that can and must be attained from and against America in the shorter term. Meaning now.
America would do well to pay attention to this strategic expression of “the Dragon,” which supports our enemies (ie, Iran and many others) while holding massive, critical amounts of influence-wielding American debt in the form of bonds. It’s expansion of international influence into areas largely ceded by America in comparison (Africa, South America and anywhere energy can be found) must be challenged. We also must not be diverted away from a dominant conventional force while counterinsurgency dominates the immediate needs and landscape of American military needs and structure.
To recover losses ceded to an ever-patient China, as it grows with a goal of rivaling and then defeating America, requires a robust economy. Investments must be made on all fronts. Whether convenient to recognize or not, war has been both declared and prosecuted on all fronts – except for the front America currently dominates: militarily. A floundering and shrinking economy cripples the ability for an already pre-occupied America to react effectively. And the Chinese can be counted on to make economic moves in the future to ensure America’s economic distress is at a level that best serves China’s long-term strategic vision. It holds enough of our debt to do that in many ways.
It is time to pay closer attention to China’s actions – and do so through the Chinese lens of Unrestricted Warfare, not a lens most comfortable for American eyes. It serves no American security purpose to view China and her actions in a light other than the light she herself uses to guide her own path. Colonel Liu’s The Chinese Dream is itself the logical progression of the Unrestricted Warfare view.
Many were asleep to al-Qaeda while focusing almost singularly on the very real rising threat of China on 9/11. That was a mistake then, and the inverse is a mistake now. While we prosecute our war against international terrorism on all possible fronts, we must not become so singularly focused as to miss the warning signs now coming from China as we likewise did with al-Qaeda and others on the path to 9/11.
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To put it bluntly, China has us by the balls, and it's a position that we're not at all likely to enjoy. They're just waiting for the most disastrous time to call the debt due.
Be careful when you talk ill about our landlord. We may just come home from work one day and find the locks have been changed.
When we trade freedom for entitlements and finance it with foreign money, only an idiot (lib) will be surprised when they have neither.
Yep…You said exactly what I was going to say…
China's population 1,338,612,968 (July 2009 est.)
USA's population 307,212,123 (July 2009 est.)
When the time does come, and I'm sure it will…We are in DEEP SH!T
"And the Chinese can be counted on to make economic moves in the future to ensure America’s economic distress is at a level that best serves China’s long-term strategic vision. It holds enough of our debt to do that in many ways."
China can take US over without firing a shot. All they have to do is call our notes and start dumping Treasuries.
Whatever happened to that oath, "….to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, from all enemies foreign and domestic"…….
We have been sold out by our elected leaders and officials going back many years.
I'll cite two examples:
Go back to the Clinton Administration, and the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock. Hillary was at the Rose Law Firm, who represented Walmart. It was during the Clinton years that Walmart boomed, and all the trade deals we cut, favored China, and their dumping junk, second rate merchandise to the worlds greatest retailer, the "Company Store" (Walmart). Americans can cash their tax refund checks and stimulus checks at Walmart, buy junk second rate goods made in China, and their dollars go directly back to China. All courtesy of Uncle Sam.
Why not look in to who is funding these "Free Trade" cultists in our econ departments spreading propaganda? "Free Trade" benefits China and harms us economically and it poses strategic threats by not having manufacturing in the US. It is a security risk as well as poisonous and diseased material as well as foreigners themselves come in on those containers as well as invasive species. But look who supports it – the neocon/globalist/Zionist loonies like Bush who 1) sided with China over Taiwan's entry to the UN, 2) did NOTHING when China forced our plane down and stole the technology out of it (you Bush apologists LOVE to pretend you forgot that one.) 3) was a cheerleader for "Free Trade" which clearly is not in our best interest as a nation.
The second example is energy.
As of a few months ago, the US is no longer the largest purchaser of Saudi Oil. China is. China is buying energy reserves the world over, oil in the middle east, even met coal in the Appalachian region of the US. China needs raw material to feed it's growing population.
Just wait until the US greenback dollar is no longer the worlds reserve currency. It will be like the Weimar Republic. You will need a wheelbarrow full of dollaars to buy a loaf of bread.
China paid off our leaders, got into our debt management, pretended to be "our friend" to get the American people to but their products, all the while they were still brainwashing their own people that the US was the Capitalist enemy.
If we as common citizens can see what has been happening, why haven't our leaders been protecting us against the obvious shake-down by the Chinese government that was predictable by anyone with two brain cells??
Well, at least the difference is even greater when it comes to Israel and the rest of the Arab world so there is some comfort in that.
You made a great point. See my post above, going back to Clinton, the Rose law Firm, Walmart and China.
What debt? You mean the debt to carry out war for Israel in the Middle East?
I didn't agree to any debt. It is odious debt taken out by a ruling elite and can be walked-away from.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odious_debt
"When a despotic regime contracts a debt, not for the needs or in the interests of the state, but rather to strengthen itself, to suppress a popular insurrection, etc, this debt is odious for the people of the entire state. This debt does not bind the nation; it is a debt of the regime, a personal debt contracted by the ruler, and consequently it falls with the demise of the regime."
So, it is not only in our interest for liberty that we need to dissolve the Federal government, but for our financial future. They did this to themselves.
I'm betting there is a book in the Pentagon, titled "Open if invaded by Red China." On the following page lists out two instructions. Open clear cover, push red button. Pray.
I am convinced Target is a China front company. Look at the all the red when you go in there and then try to find a product that isn't made in China? I tried during Christmas and was amazed how much China product there is in there.
Hence, I refuse to shop at Target.
Great Article and right on the money. The only thing I didn't see was the tactics that the Chinese are developing. Unreported this year, Russia and China's renewed emphasis on space technology (while we reduce our programs). The Chinese idea is to destroy our satellites, and employ EMP weapons, then follow up with military personnel. It is a smart strategy that would nullify our technological advantages (if we have one under and after Obama). Sadly, our military and diplomatic corp thinks that the economic interdependence strategy devised in the 90s will continue to guarantee our safety, and have not noticed that is starting to stumble as the search for national autarky continues in other countries (China, Russia, Iran, and India). I will repeat the wisdom of Reagan as to national safety. " Peace comes through strength"
Amen. Wasn't it Clinton that gave China permanent favored trading nation status and took away all the human rights violation roadblocks in trade with China?
We have no industrial base.
We manufacture nothing anymore. We once built the world, and the re-built it after World War II. Today we are reduced to a third rate nation of paper pushers and clerks. The financilal services industry has replaced our industrial might. We are doomed, just at the Portugese, the Dutch, the Spanish, the French and the British have all faded from the scene, so now will we. They were all great dynasties who played a role on the world stage. Through complacency, they saw their positions of relevancy ebb away. It is our turn now, and it won't be pretty.
The Fresh Prince Of Bill Ayers bows to everyone else, why not bow to the Chinese premier now..?
Lets face it… If OUR leaders were capable, strategizing, and not focused on spending our way out of debt (duh)… we'd be in a position to react. Heck, we'd do the same thing if our politicians had OUR best interests in mind… instead of their own. We used to call the shots around the world. Now our leadership is focused on socializing the nation.
I don't blame China. I blame Democraps and Republicants.
Yes. Slick Willie sure coddled the Red Chi-Coms.
Aren't they the number one power now? Or, do they just own the number one power? I miss the Soviet Union. At least with them, you knew where you stood.
Funny.
I never thought of it, but you might have a point.
Here is a challenge, I dare you to go into a Walmart, and find something made in the USA………
There is such a book, with the follwoing instruction:
1. Stand up and spread legs.
2. Bend over and put head between legs.
3. Kiss ass goodbye.
Did you see where Russia is developing a new "stealth" type fighter bomber?
how long can china undercut everyone's prices and expect to continue growth and production? the threat from china will arise from its inevitable economic implosion, due to extremely thin profit margins and corruption, which in turn will cause them to become desperate and unpredictable. china can claim all it wants as its own but china has never and will never be truly united. this will be one very interesting civil war with the potential for an all asian world war.
RIP china 1949-2020.
Hogwash. China is surrounded by potential enemies while the U.S. is not. An examination of Chinese history reveals that it often has been occuppied by smaller but more militaristic societies such as the Mongols and Japanese. The bottom line is that the PLA is now the biggest commercial enterprize in the world and it contains many competing factions.
I have to agree with that. Look they have 800 million people as an underfunded liability plus as they undercut business they are also undercutting their consumer's purchasing ability.
If Americans stopped buy Chinese products on a large scale for let's say one month, we would pull billions out of their economy.
The fact is this, communism always implodes. Always. In the meantime the Chinese can make it very difficult for the west but the capitalist system is far more forgiving of a downturn than a communist system.
2020? Could be.
I needed the laugh Cowboy! How did we blow it so bad with China after WW2? What a lost opportunity.
"China is surrounded by potential enemies while the U.S. is not"
Have you looked at CONgress lately? Our enemies are already here, and entrenched. Progressives are the largest enemy we face.
While I respect the author's expertise, I've been listening to the cries of "1 billion Chinese Communists must eventually rule the world" since the early '70's…
…and yet, the terrible "Dragon" hasn't even been able to swallow Taiwan, just off-shore, in all that time…
…instead, what has happened is that "Red China" has turned more and more into a Western-style economy and has a rising middle-class and educated student population that demands more and more freedom…
…when Hong Kong reverted to Chinese control, the debate was whether Hong Kong would turn into a socialist disaster, or whether the Hong Kong "virus" of exuberant capitalism would spread to the host and change China – result, China changed…
…if I was a Chinese military man, I would write papers like our boy, Senior Colonel Liu Mingfu, but if I was honest with myself, I would admit that China is more likely to become "Greater Taiwan" – and I wouldn't swallow my own propaganda.
Interesting link to a NewsMax article written in 2005. "China sees US a Number One Foe"
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005...
[quote] "Beijing sees the U.S. as an inevitable foe, and is planning accordingly," Pillsbury told the Wall Street Journal. "We'd be remiss not to take that into account."
And he declared: "We must acknowledge that we are facing in China what may become the largest challenge in our nation's history."
The China expert has amassed a large number of Chinese military texts and interviewed their authors in an effort to understand the country's long-term military aims.
"His conclusion has rattled many in Washington: China sees the U.S. as a military threat," according to the Journal.
A recent Pentagon report cautioned that the Chinese military has ambitions well beyond defending its historical claim to Taiwan, and said China could provoke small wars to secure its growing energy requirements.
According to Pillsbury, Chinese writings show a military establishment obsessed with the inevitable decline of the U.S. and China's rise.
He says that after Beijing tried to blame the U.S. for helping foment the dissent that led to the Tiananmen protests, "even some friends in the Chinese military that I'd known for years began to describe us as a mortal enemy, an evil force."[/quote]
And here we are helping to prop up their economy with our hard earned dollars.
Anyone else notice the Census 2010 ad on the right hand side of the screen? Written in chinese no less.
I think Truman screwed the pooch on that one, when he wouldn't let General McArthur kick the Red Cjinese back to Bejing. McArthur wanted desperately to invade China. Truman held him back,and fired him, just like when Bush Sr, held General Schwartzkopf back from invading Baghdad during the first Gulf War. Sometimes, Generals are much smarter than Presidents.
Yup, saw it and feared it. They will have no problem with using it either.
[...] . . . make that three for the morning, as Steve Schippert warns us not to become complacent about China. Let’s just say that China (a) has values entirely antithetical to Western democratic [...]
Very interesting link to the UK Guardian Newspaper which claimed that the US was targeting China after several Chinese defections alarmed DC with what they told us.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/mar/24/china...
[quote]Washington's decision to turn more of its guns and missiles towards China came as it was confirmed that a senior colonel in the Chinese people's liberation army has defected to the US while visiting as part of a military delegation. The defection, which apparently took place at the end of last year or in January, involved an unnamed officer in the foreign affairs department of the army general staff.[/quote]
The Guardian article was written 6 months BEFORE 9-11.
Very interesting link to the UK Guardian Newspaper which claimed that the US was targeting China after several Chinese defections alarmed DC with what they told us.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/mar/24/china...
[quote]Washington's decision to turn more of its guns and missiles towards China came as it was confirmed that a senior colonel in the Chinese people's liberation army has defected to the US while visiting as part of a military delegation. The defection, which apparently took place at the end of last year or in January, involved an unnamed officer in the foreign affairs department of the army general staff.[/quote]
The Guardian article was written 6 months BEFORE 9-11.
It will be the greatest irony that if we had used massive force then(Korea) we would of avoided a major war in the future. Even before that I have a memory of us blowing it in 1946-1947 with Cahng Hie Scheck? This led to Mao and his nightmare, but I can't remember the details, I hope Beck or someone goes over that history, maybe in doing this we can get a few Chinese to see it and realize that before we were enemies we were friends. I remember watching movies that reinforced the relationship that the US had with China in the late 30's and early 40's.
I have believed this for thirty years.
America, will never explode; it will never be destoyed by external forces.
America, will however implode. It will be destroyed from within. There is a fundamental difference in the two, and once understood, the picture is easy to see. The Cloward-Piven strategy has played a key, central role in this destruction. It has weakened America to the point that we are financially wobbly. Progressive politicians are the second leg, in a three legged stool. The third leg, is simple complacency. With those three ingredients, we are doomed, and I fear we will see it in our lifetimes.
I've often thought that when I'm dead and gone, and I have the luxury to look back into this world, into America; (whether I'm looking down from Heaven, or looking up from Hell) from wherever I am, I will hear someone ask: Whatever happened to America? What happened to the land of the fre and the home of the brave? Whatever happened to the "shining City on the hill"?
……..and a voice will come whispering through the clouds, with the answer: "I gave the people everything they needed, they did not protect it".
Here is a copy of the US Newspaper that reported the defection–in April 2001.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&da...
Here is a copy of the US Newspaper that reported the defection–in April 2001.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1683&da...
and now you are touching on my mission in life. StoryKeeper is not just a handle for me. I want to preserve the wisdom and values that made America the great nation it was so that future generations can have the seeds to re-plant with.
Yes.
I noticed it. It is hilarious!
I am glad someone has a sense of humor.
LA Times Article written in 2005 dealing with Chinese espionage, etc. For all the PR China has been trying to put over on the West, they sure do alot of spying–oh and blackmailing.
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jul/15/world/fg-...
China's warrior class desire to defeat the U.S. is akin to the old Soviet Union's desire during the Cold War.
Those that deny China's desire are just as ignorant as those that denied the USSR's.
As for our financial dealings with China.
When you owe the bank $100,000, the Bank owns you.
When you owe the bank $1,000,000,000,000, you own the Bank.
[quote from LA Times article]
Like those of most countries, China's intelligence efforts employ a system of concentric circles, analysts said. Unlike U.S. intelligence agencies, with their reliance on satellite data and high technology, China is known for its "humint," or human intelligence.
"They can and do send out thousands of people with limited tasking, flooding the target country," said Larry M. Wortzel, a former U.S. Army attache in Beijing now at the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank in Washington.
China has three kinds of spies, asylum-seeker Hao told Australian reporters: "professional spies" paid to collect information, "working relationship" spies operating in business circles and "friends" in less formal networks, a category analysts said Chen's 1,000 spies would fall into.
China employs a relatively small number of well-trained, professional spies, intelligence analysts said, charged with digging up the most sensitive military secrets and strategic policy.
In the second tier, China relies on well-placed front companies and scientists to go after key technologies, including dual military and civilian-use products that are easier to acquire than top-secret military items.
Hey Colonel-
Guess what the debt we owe you is denominated in our currency. Furthermore, continue this bellicose talk and we will not pay you a cent and nationalize all your property in our country. Some will cry that this will raise rates. But I think an argumant could be made that it would in fact lower rates. Why? Because we can tell current bondholders and would be bond buyers that we only did it because you threatened us and we decided to crush you first. Stupid f—ing commie.
Your mission, and goal is worthy.
I do owe you an apology.
I told you back in the fall, when we first met here, that I wanted to get involved, and contribute some things to you. I have been remiss, complacent.
That is human nature though. Working with you would take work, a committment. it has been too entertaining here, dawdling around, feeding my addiction- current events and politics.
I reckon I need to get my ass in gear and contribute something to you. I have a whole bunch of World War II heroes, guys whose stories I have been rat-holeing………
The big problem I have with isolationism is that the Atlantic and the Pacific are no longer effective barriers. If Islam gains the upper hand in the rest of the world, we cannot hope to stand against it alone no matter our economic circumstances. And for all that I don't like the idea of militarily changing every Shari'a regime, I would rather die than live under such a regime here.
I think our best hope is that China implodes under the weight of its own considerable internal problems before they can destroy anyone else. Of course, if China collapses, that would be as disastrous to the world as the collapse of any other major power.
At some pint there will be a showdown. We're just positioning ourselves to be head ass kissers to the Chinese when this all comes out.
I feel like Neville Chamberlain has been leading this county in secret.
it's more of a de-facto isolationism…
Protectionist trade policies are coming back with a vengeance- and they'll be pretty popular we suspect. Some disengagement might occur as well. But your points are well taken…
I thought Target was French based and that was the reason why they wouldn't allow the salvation army to ring bells outside their stores during the Christmas season.
We could re-build that industrial base quick enough if we had access to our own natural resources, realistic checks on union negotiation to lower the cost of labor to a realistic level, and less government control of the whole process.
There is another printing press – in North Korea. But we know about it and it is being run by the Chinese. Do I need to mention that it prints perfect 100.00 notes? Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.
China does have massive and festering internal problems, but I really don't like being in the position of hoping those problems take it down before it can take us down. I suppose that there is also the hope that the Islamofascists will turn on China and take up their time and attention, too.
A lot of Geopolitical analysts believe the costal rich regions have no way to deal with the internal poor regions, and their financial system is based on unlimited expansion and cash flow, not necessarily profit, much like what caused the Japanese system to crash and that a reckoning is not too far off between the inner/outer kingdoms (which has happened more than a few times in that region)
A great way to give Islam the upper hand is by over-throwing democracies, supporting Israel, and generally acting like the stereotypical Ugly Americans. A great way is by threatening to turn their daughters in to WHORES who look up to Britney Spears…..like what we have done in the US. Most Americans don't like our society or government – what makes you think foreigners would????
I would rather die than live under such a regime here.
A bit over-dramatic. You think they look at our society positively? Maybe they don't want their kids growing up where streets are littered with used hypodermic needles and litter from McDonalds? THINK about it – since WE are the ones imposing OUR system on them. You don't even like the imaginary threat of the reverse – what do you expect them to do with US tanks on their streets???? Geez, turn off Faux News.
Yes, we can print our way out of this but it will make the U.S. Dollar the equivalent of Monopoly money.
Is war really optional?
I have come to think not.
All you have to do to end any threat that is being dangled in front of you (to make you FEAR so you can be CONTROLLED) is to STOP IMMIGRATION. These SAME people who are terrorizing you – your government – has it in their power to eliminate this threat by closing the borders and such things BUT THEY DON'T. Ask them why? The answer is simple: they want you afraid.
The fact we are kissing china's ass , makes me want to move to the U,K
And their notes to the US are denominated in US Dollars. It is an economic suicide pact. Kind of like MAD – mutually assured destruction – the financial version. What we spend on at the federal level, and how we tax, must be focused on creating growth and reducing debt. We have the opposite now.
Because during the Jefferson Administration when muslims first started being belligerent to the US, we had enough influence to make them fear our ugly society. Islam has always spread itself by the sword and having a sudden and drastic shift in our society won't stop that.
again, your posts have a single minded quality to them, but is undeniable that you are passionate about your anti-zionism and anit-imperialist feelings. The problem here with that is that you posit a vacuum; if not for these things, then what?
We abandon Israel and the middle east. What then? China and Russia fill the void. Every thing in the US becomes much more expensive. That's just one unintended consequence.
Still, we feel that despite your spittle and vitriol your thoughts on the matter carry some weight…
So you would rather kiss a Mullahs ass?
If our enemies will just be patient. Obama and the progressives are executing the perfect 'inside job'. When the walls come tumbling down, they will be nowhere to found. How much longer is America willing to tolerate this betrayal? The time for talk is over.
Where Sharia law is fast becoming the norm? Are you serious???? The UK is NOT an option for the foreseeable future. They are in a much bigger mess than we are for a great many reasons. And, they are "over there."
Yeah, right, "muslim" pirates. But that was after we threw off a CHRISTIAN KING. They were simply pirates.
US' current strength is like having 3 A’s on the hand. Considering China doubts its GDP every 8 years, it is a matter of time for china to have a deck of Flush. Until then, China will not “all-in”. Losing few big blinds such as Dalai Lama, Taiwan arms sales is a no big deal. It will only make “all-in” more exciting.
China and Russia fill the void
I think you have it backwards. We are pushing the Middle East right towards China and Russia. We are handing it to them on a silver platter with our support of Israel. Sticking our necks out and handing them the knife. I just don't understand why it hasn't happened sooner – I guess there is no need while we keep digging ourselves deeper in to the hole. Never interfere with an enemy in the process of self-destruction.
You are just a racist against Chinese…..right?
I see a lot of people with overt ties to Israel in our government. How many Chinese? How many Chinese on the Federal Reserve board? Why aren't you as concerned with Israel?
War is a choice. Unfortunately the road to it is paved by ignorance and economic failure. We can check two boxes. That leaves the choice box, if we do this it will mean the end of all of our futures.
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we are not going to get industry back in the USA through protectionism if the UNIONS are still allowed to extort money from them. It is the UNIONS that caused the industries to escape the USA in the first place. Make America a 'right to work' country and the industries will gladly return.
all valid points and unfortunately all fantasy. Your biggest mistake is employing common sense to a solution.
Between the UN and our inane Rules of Engagement every conflict is guaranteed to become decades long unresolved, open sores. In any war, for there to be peace in the end, THERE HAS TO BE A VICTOR.
China's cheap labor and slave workers, no rights for its citizens, no EPA regulations make all the stuff we manucatured in the past , cheap and we gave away everthing to China; our technology our markets, our consumers. Now we are at their mercy with a commie in the W.H.
it's hard to say whether we are pushing them that way, as you say- or they are actively competing with us, which is the belief here.
Ultimately wars of choice have huge political downsides. This one, while working for the Iraqis and Afghans (to a lesser degree) is impacting us negatively elsewhere.
To that point you are correct…
couldn't agree more…
Well said and reasoned.
PLA Senior Colonel: ‘The China Dream’ Means US Defeat by Steve Schippert: "On the path to 9/11, many of us National Security wonks were intensely studying and tracking China and its activities before the al-Qaeda attacks of 9/11."
Didn't obama say that Mao was is hero, you know the man who murdered over 100 million Chinese when he got power! We have not seen anything, yet! His goal is for us to make a dollar a week too! It's our money that he wants to redistribute! It's treason and we can't touch him. That's power!
Oh please. You just want to get a rise out of me. Fact is, I have been following the China issue for years. If any country is spying on us, I think we have a right to be suspicious. So you have no idea what my thoughts on Isreal are. You are just assuming. Which makes YOU the prejudiced one. Got it?
We're talking about China here. Wake up.
Global financial disputes are invariably resolved by physical conflict. It's coming. Never doubt it.
If you look at the demise of England, you will see that it was a Labour (aka Socialist) Government that nationalized the automotive industry. Within years the British Auto industry was all but non-existent. Granted, when it was nationalized it was in poor shape–sound familiar.
What happened? Margaret Thatcher came into power and effectively broke the back of the Unions. What followed? 30 years of prosperity for England. But unfortunately the English industrial base was ruined by the Labour government and it hasn't returned to England.
We should learn lessons from England and not allow that to happen here. Our industrial base is still worth saving.
Trust me, you would be kissing Russia's arse if you move there. The Russians have done to the UK what China is doing to us. If I didn't know better, I would think it was orchestrated.
And Chinese products are all over the UK, too.
Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.
[...] Steve Schippert – PLA Senior Colonel: ‘The China Dream’ Means US Defeat [...]
The double-edged sword here is that as China emulates old-school American business practices they shed old policies that prevented growth and innovation. Meanwhile, thanks to leftists and day-dreaming "green" dopes, we continue to add rules, regulations and restrictions on our personal and economic freedom (the three R's taught in DEM finishing school?). Two countries headed in opposite directions, and bound to collide? In 1995 I predicted war between Us and China by 2020. Apparently they have a few that believe the same thing.
It doesn't have to happen. WAKE UP People! And if you are awake, wake up the poor dumb bastard next to you before it's too late.
Why don't you suggest that article. Do the research and present the facts. I wnat to see facts not conjecture. It's easy to say something. Backing that up with verifiable sources is a different matter.
How did the big bad unions cause the industries to escape? Know when the highest portion of Union workers there was? 1960.
If you want a higher standard of living, you need the wage to support it. What company is going to do that if they can get "cheap" labor elsewhere? The answer is protectionism.
FURTHER those foreign companies actively destroy US companies by DUMPING. Not something you can compete with especially when those foreign companies are owned by the foreign government. Tariffs protect against that as well.
The unions were responsible for changing the cost/benefit to the company to where it simply made economic sense to move. Look at Boeing's recent move OUT of Washington. I believe in a fair wage but I do not think that a company has a 'moral' obligation to lose money. Look at GM & Chrysler Their cars cost about $1500 more than other US made cars from 'right to work' states. Consumers are still allowed to exercise 'choice' when spending 'their' money, why would they NOT consider price when they make their decision.
When it comes to foreign dumping, that is when our foreign policy strength is needed. Unfortunately this administration and previous admins, and congress throughout have whored our economic power by becoming debtors to those who threaten us. (Drill our own)
We need stronger industry here, yet thru union's unreasonable. cummulative demands made any benefit of keeping a person in a job that pays more than its worth, along with draconian regulatory market, EPA at the top of that list, makes any business owner think thrice before starting or keeping a business here. Look at California to Nevada business migration. These libs insist on killing the goose.
So protectionist tariffs, like Smoot-Hawley, are the way to go?
And what's with the "neocon/globalist/zionist" thing? What is a neocon, globalist, or zionist, anyway?
How, exactly, is free trade "clearly" not in our best interest?
Is this the same nation that got the intelligence plane as a gift from Clinton some time ago?Is this the same nation that has so many spies in the US that the FBI could make watching them a full time job?When was the last time one of these spies was actually prosecuted?Oh and by the way,if you can read this, it just means some bored Chinese student did not hack this site today…
The USA would lose a war against China…Now the future SE Asia war between China and Muslims will be fought and and won by both side;dividing every SE Asian country in half.China will expand south like they did in the 1640's.There is Muslims taking over southern SE Asia and 30% Chinese in the north of each of these countries…gee, wonder how that will turn out?
If one or two of our 'big box' stores goes under, this will happen…
China's COSCO has a large shipping port in Los Angeles, which is run by the People's Liberation Army. China also control a strategic access in the Panama Canal area and is interesting in a former USAF base in San Antonio, Texas.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/chinese_reg...
Sheesh, why do we always have to fight everyone. We may hate to admit it, but China deserves to be the number one world power economically. They have become more capitalist than the U.S., and are reaping the rewards. Rather than prepare for a military confrontation to avoid paying the bills we ourselves have incurred, perhaps we should make friends with China. Then, when they become the dominant world power, we will not suffer so much. Although not perfect, they are moving in the direction of capitalism, while we are moving in the direction of socialism. We have no right to take military action against China, they have done nothing wrong towards us. Buying our bonds is hardly criminal
…didn't we want them to buy our bonds? We have created this mess ourselves.
What a bunch of xenophobic alarmists!! That "Senior Colonel" of the PLA is writing this titillating book shows how Western China has become – anybody will write anything if it sells. If anything, China's military expansion rate has slowed recently. Besides, did you notice how the author mentions China and the stateless terrorists in the same breath?? What terrorists have given Americans 30 years of the good life – low inflation, low interest rates, and fast growing asset prices? Instead of being grateful, the silly alarmists are trying to turn China into a scapegoat for all problems that face America. Keep in mind that China did not (and still does not) set the rules. The WTO and UN and other international institutions all had their rules set largely by the West. China simply followed those rules, and excelled through hard work and smart work. The main competitive advantage of China in the world today is the social contract that demands 3+2 (bear the burden of 3 generations in one, and do the world of two generations in one). Go anywhere in Greater China and watch how hard the folks work!! And then compare that against life in America, and you'd have a better understanding. Today's China is way too busy bettering the lives of her citizens (GDP per capita is still less than $7,000, so there's a LONG way to go yet), to worry about anything else. From $7,000 to $42,000 will take a LONG time even with 10% growth.
y'know, for a broken record we've got to give you some credit…
While we view Israel in a different light than you there is no doubt we are carrying at least some of their water.
Warring against Iran, as odious as it is, would seem to be counterproductive. As, too, is the blind support for Israel in the Palestinian issue. Understandable, perhaps- but shorthsighted.
It is coming increasingly clear that we cannot be the world's policeman forever. A move to isolationism is not
a surprise, and we expect the Ameican people to start demanding it. But the MSM beats the war drums pretty relentlessly.
Hopefully the Iranian people will take care of their problem…
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