The Internet as the Post Office?
by Scott ClelandWhy force the private Internet to be as inefficient as the old public post office? For the first time, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) plans to regulate how private companies can deliver the quadrillions of broadband Internet packets that are sent over the Internet every day.
Americans know from experience that private companies competing for customers deliver better service than Government. Who thinks the Government can do a better job than private companies in designing, building, and managing broadband Internet networks? Who thinks the Government can run the Internet better, faster, cheaper, and more innovatively than private networks do now?
The pretext for this new government micromanagement is — that without new Federal regulation — private companies might not treat all broadband Internet packet deliveries equally and might even discriminate against certain Internet packets by delivering them slightly slower than others or not even deliver them at all. The proposed FCC regulations would force all different types of Internet packets to be delivered the same, would empower the FCC to monitor all Internet packet delivery for “neutrality,” and put the Federal Government in charge of how private companies design and manage their broadband Internet networks.
This FCC proposal is as silly as if the Federal Government regulated the billions of packages that Fedex, UPS, DHL and local delivery services deliver every year, because they might deliver some packages slightly slower than others, or because they might refuse to deliver un-economical or unsafe deliveries. Does the Federal government not have anything better to do than monitor the mind-boggling minutia of Internet packet delivery times for fairness? How many private Internet delivery options will survive, if the Government forces all of them to be like the FCC’s inefficient public option?
Why not let urgent broadband Internet packets be delivered before non-urgent Internet packets? Why not let private companies charge more for faster delivery, for bigger packages, or to guarantee delivery of fragile or high priority packages? Why not let private companies protect their customers, networks and businesses by refusing to deliver particularly burdensome, dangerous or harmful packages?
Who cares if private delivery services deliver one Internet package slightly ahead of another in the marketplace? What people care about is efficiency, speed, low-cost and a diversity of choice.
The Internet is not broken or in need of FCC fixing. Why gamble unnecessarily with one of the only healthy and stable sectors of the economy? Why tamper with what works exceptionally well? Why propose a solution in search of a problem?
Simply, who believes the Federal Government can run, build and improve the Internet better than all the private companies that have built and operated the Internet to date?
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Government can not grab its butt with both hands in broad daylight with a mirror… This internet stuff sounds complicated.
Government can not grab its butt with both hands in broad daylight… with a mirror… This internet stuff sounds complicated.
Government can not grab its butt with both hands in broad daylight… with a mirror… This internet stuff sounds complicated. Maybe we should let profit motivated engineers handle this one.
"Simply, who believes the Federal Government can run, build and improve the Internet better than all the private companies that have built and operated the Internet to date?"
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This is intended to take technology back about 15 years. It is becoming clear that this regressive administration likes to damage things and then take credit for repairs. Chrysler and GM are not very swift in their full body casts.
Another butting their nose in other peoples buisness power grab by the liberals. These idiots need to get a life, get a real job!!
Another butting their nose in other peoples buisness power grab by the liberals. These idiots need to get a life, get a real job!! Control freaks the bunch!
It's a move to control the Internet and has nothing to do with efficiency.
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Why can't I, as a customer, not pick and choose ISPs that don't throttle or block any content I wish to download? Surely some private company could provide that product to people like me who want it and are willing to pay for it.
I swear I don't know which is worse, politians or bureaucrats. I hate them both.
be careful what you ask for
sites like this one, as well as thousands of independent blogs,etc can suffer if net neutrality doesn't pass
we all like to rail against the MSM, but the MSM will be the ones with the deep pockets to effectively take over Internet content communication
LBryan is right, any proposed regulation of the Internet (or talk radio) is just part of Obama's plan to silence his opponents so he can implement his Marxist agenda.
Anyone doubt this? Then why would Obama hire a Marxist "diversity czar" to work in the FCC? This Marxist loon (Mark Lloyd) loves Hugo Chavez, the dictator who shut down all legitimate media in Venezuela; only "Chavez-friendly" media survived. (In the US, that would be ABC, NBC, CBS, NYTimes, LATimes, etc.) He loves the Chavez revolution (govt takeover of industry), including "state controlled media" using propaganda to aid in the revolution. Typical Obama appointee, just like Van Jones — the avowed Communist. WAKE UP, AMERICA!!
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Did you see where Rupert Murdoch want to put in a bid for NBC?
That'll be interesting.
FCC..Plans to Regulate? Here comes yet another fiasco!
There is Bob. For those in California, I use the largest privately held Internet Service Provider in the State called Linkline. They own their own network and don't back down to anyone including the big public phone and internet providers. Linkline took them all the way to the Supreme Court for I believe market price squeeze and innocuous tax issues. I not only us them for my home but use them for my business with 32 offices. I want a company that squares off in the ring like we have to do and as such I have been a customer going on 12 years. In the rare times our CTO has an issue we speak with good old American acumen and I couldn't be more happy or satisfied.
Just my take on this because the first companies to capitulate will be the biggies if not already which include phone, cable and Internet.
I hope this helps some…..
Tina
Government run, government controlled. Simple answer.
Same level of useless crap for all …
And where are the liberty defending leftists?
No America will not become a socialist country, America is watching a DICTATOR being born. It is a move to control the communications systems, the news, (they will silence dissent) the internet, the tv shows. The next step will be shooting dissidents in the street. If I remember correctly "we" did not stand against Iran doing it after the elections. "We" even legitimized that government by talking to them after they shot people in the streets.
Is this where we are going?
Another case of government inefficiency, intrusion and control.
I am sure the ACLU is at brunch with MoShelle at the Waldorf. Eating lobster………
We need to turn it around before it gets worse, but as they said it won't be easy. You are 100% correct about that. Tyranny will be the end result if we do nothing.
If what Scott writes about happens, you can say goodbye to making phone calls over the Internet. I am in the industry and if you do not give priority to voice packets, your voice-over-IP (VoIP) will NOT work at a satisfactory level. Perhaps that is the point to the regulation. If nobody can make internet phone calls, then you have to go back to crappy old legacy phone plans and their outrageous charges. Something to ponder anyway.
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"quadrillions of broadband Internet packets" I was hoping no one would tell Obama what came after a trillion.
Yeah, and the one's they didn't shoot in the streets are now going to be hung by the courts. And Obama loves 'em! Scary to see where his mind-set is!
Just leave it alone…everything…just let the market dictate the service!
There is another side to this. If net neutrality isn't the policy, Time Warner, Cox, and the other monopoly cable/internet providers will use bandwidth caps to prop up their overpriced, under-delivering cable service. No TV or movies over the internet for you! Will your VOIP continue to work if AT&T prioritizes the packets?
If internet delivery were, in fact, an open market, then the market *could* resolve this. In most places there is one high-bandwidth provider, or at best a duopoly where both parties have the same goals — e.g. AT&T protecting land-line subsidies; Comcast protecting pay-per-view movies. But government has their mitts in this on both sides of the issue, granting municipal monopolies on one side and dictating policy on the other. Both market distortions stink, but the problem is getting government out of the way on BOTH sides.
Politicians give lip service to competition in the marketplace yet they continue to favor and protect the monopolies. What they are saying without opening their mouths is that they, the government, want to control the businesses via regulation. They use the threats of opening markets to competition to keep the monopolies in line but after it's all said and done these politicians are all to happy to accept campaign donations for the same political favors that safeguard their monopolies. The politicians get to think they are in control but it's the monopolies that have the politicians by the short hairs. It's like the wife "allowing" the husband to feel dominant. All she has to say is "you have to sleep sometime".
I agree with Leon above. He hit the nail on the head because all companies are now pushing VOIP, which I've had for years and love. The czar might want to regulate this for a number of reasons. I'm going on a limb (because I'm not technically savvy) here but I know for a fact that ATT has about 30 mega centers all over the country that record every land line and cellular call and archive them, after they listen to what you said. Nothing is private and sacred.
I don't know if that is possible with VOIP. So if they got the packets under control, people might have to go back to the old phone systems and voila, the gov can spy on our calls again. Then they will take the internet and get rid of all sites like this that are detrimental to their agenda. Yes, we are seeing the birth of a dicatotrship.
I agree with Leon above. He hit the nail on the head because all companies are now pushing VOIP, which I've had for years and love. The czar might want to regulate this for a number of reasons. I'm going out on a limb (because I'm not technically savvy) but I know for a fact that ATT has about 30 mega centers all over the country that record every land line and cellular call and archive them, after they listen to what you said. Nothing is private and sacred.
I don't know if that is possible with VOIP. So if they got the packets under control, people might have to go back to the old phone systems and voila, the gov can spy on our calls again. Then they will take the internet and get rid of all sites like this that are detrimental to their agenda. Yes, we are seeing the birth of a dicatotrship.
Please do not insult loons who are wonderful animals. This "Marxist idiotic czar" would be better. But hey I am sure Obama also loves Chavez, I am sure he sympathizes with the job he had closing down all these stations, Obama only has one station standing in front of his goal Fox. Of course he will have to control the internet because so many blogs are springing up in opposition, this way that will all be controlled at once.
Welcome to the start of the New Internet, where private companies will put up privately-owned satellites, all transmissions will be encrypted by default (no "clear" broadcasts), just takes a small transmit/receive unit (think satellite phones)…
And all involved can tell all the governments to go regulate themselves.
This is the kind of crap that gets pushed through when we sit on our hands, keep our mouths shut and vote for idiots based on hope and change rhetoric.
Hope those who voted for this commie are happy now…….
Mr. Cleland, you are missing the point. This has nothing to do with bringing equality to the Internet. It’s simply a way for Cass Sunstein and the goverment to monitor and control what you are sending across the internet. It’s a way for them to silence the conservative media by cutting off what they don’t like. Keep your eye on the big picture!
Why does it feel like America is going backwards???!!
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Make no mistake, if we lose this one, America and the world will sink into an abyss of tyranny for a very, very long time."
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The packets they are taking about are pieces of email, voice transmissions, file transfers, etc etc, that flows across the net. The underlying issue here is that VoIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) services do not have to adhere to FCC regulations like traditional phone companies (including cellular) have to. They (the government) do not think that is "fair" and this is the reason they are going after ISP's in the first place.
It's sad and pathetic. Who are they to tell ME at what level of service (or QoS) I should be sending data across my network?
Because barrack Obama is President.
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I kind of hope thier crying for there MOMMY!!!
Libtards always claim government and algore invented and built the internet. While they did contribute very little at first the TRUE creation and growth took off when competitors did what they did with private investment and pirates did what they did. Oh yeah!
It's called "progressivism"
Sorry, but I tend to agree with the net neutrality thing, although I really wish the suppliers would just do it on their own. Really don't want government stepping in. However, I purchase the bandwidth. They should not be able to tell me what I can and cannot do with my purchased bandwidth. If I purchase gasoline, the gas supplier doesn't get to tell me that I can only use that on a highway, not a city street. If I buy a gallon of milk, the store has no right to tell me I can't put chocolate in it. If I buy bandwidth, they really should have no right to tell me how I use it. It's mine, I paid for it.
I used to run a (properly secured) home mail server. Now due to changes by my ISP I cannot do that any longer. And since they own the major backbone that the "independent" ISPs use, the only other option is cable… Which does the same thing. The problem is that this filtering can be done so far upstream that the people actually paying for the service have no other competition that they can go to in order to get the service that they want or need. If someone chooses to run an unsecured server that eats up significant network resources and becomes a problem, shut them down. Don't penalize all the players because one person is a moron.
I can't send an .EXE file through gmail anymore because of some morons that can't run a virus checker. That's why I had my own mail server at home. Now that's out of the equation too. How long before they decide I can't run an FTP server, or an Instant Messenger chat program because it's too "network intensive."
Perhaps for now Tina. The problem is if the other backbone providers decide that at the entry point into their systems, we're not going to block all VoIP and Email services from Linkline. Right now, they can. So you can use Linkline, and you can call other Linkline customers, but you can't get outside of California unless Sprint, Verizon, AT&T and the like decide to let you do so. That's why net neutrality is actually a valid technical issue. They're trying to enforce the spirit by which the internet was founded by not allowing people to pick and choose which packets they carry. Otherwise, there is no protection for the smaller guys to avoid them being picked off by the big guys. (Oh, I can't use Linkline to access FTP servers in Japan, but if I switch to Verizon I can! So Linkline loses the customer because Verizon won't carry their traffic.)
This article is shocking in its complete lack of understanding of what true net neutrality is. I'm not a fan of the government needlessly intervening in the private market, but this article grossly distorts the problem we face with net neutrality.
The analogy comparing the internet to the Post Office / FedEx / UPS works fine… but only up to a point because more and more “ISPs” are involved in other businesses. Imagine if the Post Office got into the business of mail order DVD rental competing against Netflix and Blockbuster. Netflix and Blockbuster represent completion to the Post Office’s own mail order DVD rental business, so the Post Office decides to start ‘prioritizing’ their own DVDs while letting Netflix and Blockbuster DVDs go unsorted yielding to slow delivery. Does anyone really think that’s fair? Well, in this analogy, Netflix and Blockbuster could use FedEx and UPS as alternatives – i.e. competitors to the Post Office.
However, and back to the internet… a rather large number of Americans have one maybe two choice reasonable choices when it comes to high internet access – typically from the cable company and the phone company. It just so happens I currently only have one: via cable. This is not an uncommon situation for many people. My local phone company does not offer DSL. Now, sticking to a DVD type analogy, imagine if my ISP decides to open an online video rental store. Such a service would compete against the likes of Netflix’s online video rental or various other services. What recourse do I have if my ISP decides to prioritize its own video rental service packets and delays the packets of its competitors rendering those competitors service useless? I can’t switch ISPs because there are no other ISPs and my ISP doesn’t have to compete against anyone else.
True net neutrality does not attempt to treat ALL packets the same. Basic Quality of Service principles can and should be applied – packets that need/should be delivered with low latency can be treated as such; one example is voice related items like VoIP. ISPs can live within net neutrality while also protecting their networks. The problem lies when ISPs use their position as a monopoly / oligopoly ISP to stifle competition in areas other than basic internet access.
If there was TRUE competition between ISPs, then I’d be all for letting the ISPs compete on the way they treat packets. Since, however, there is little to no competition amongst ISPs, I am left to seek some basic guidelines, enforceable by the government, to ensure companies don’t abuse their positions to bolster other portions of their business.
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Guys you are all missing the point. If you allow companies to shape bandwidth as they see fit, eventually they will block or deliver slower connections for content that they disagree with. And since most broadband companies are owned by Big Hollywood, who do you think will be first to have their websites slowed down to everyone even though they are paying for their bandwidth. Thats right sites like this. Net Neutrality isn't a conservative or liberal issue, it is enforcing a rule that has been in place for all telecoms since the beginning. The idea that Big Hollywood has is that they are CONTENT providers not telecoms therefore they don't have to play by the previous rules. The free market in this case is great, but lets remember, cable companies don't operate in a free market, they are many times monopolies put in place by municipalities, often controlled by the enemies of this country and conservative thought itself. If we let them get away with redefining their roles as content providers instead of communications companies we eventually will be sitting in the internet dark ages thanks to Big Hollywood and their politically correct ideals. Make no mistake, this is a battle conservatives should be waging on the big media companies. Mr. Cleland, you clearly have no understanding of networks, or what is at stake for us as conservatives in this fight. Feel free to email me chris@clrphotos.com so we can have a discussion of this issue and hopefully you can get some more insight from someone who knows about the issues at hand.
Those of you who dominate the Internet (you know who you are), should Hack the FCC before it Hacks you.
Uh, folks — the author, Cleland, is a shill for the providers: AT&T, Comcast, Time Warner, cable industry association, etc.etc.etc. Take a look at his bio link (and delete the extra character on the org link). About time to apply common carrier status to these guys before they use their local monopolies to bomb any innovative, competitive internet services that overlap with anything they do. Google Voice? Netflix? Vonage? Hulu? What will stop working, or work veerry slowly, when they start sorting the packets?
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Why do supporters think government will do a better job at regulating than the free markets?
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This analogy is terrible. What exactly would be an "urgent" internet data packet? And how does an ISP detect a harmful packet? Whoever wrote this article has no understanding of how data is sent over a network or how the internet works. And despite what the article claims, it does in fact matter if an ISP is shaping its internet traffic to promote one site over another or charging sites with services that compete with it's other side services more money to not be blocked because it changes how the internet is fundamentally conceived to work. You buy an internet connection with an upstream and a downstream, and you can connect to anyone else with the only factors in how efficient this connection is being both upstream/downstream rates. Having the ISP artificially shape traffic to downgrade competing content services like VOIP or YouTube goes against this and threatens developers who may create content sites that are in direct competition with similar sites owned by the ISP.
Further, net neutrality has nothing to do with how a company designs their broadband network. The whole point of it is to prevent companies like Comcast from creating their own version of YouTube and then prioritizing traffic to that site while degrading traffic to YouTube, or outright blocking YouTube entirely. ISP's are supposed to operate as common carriers. They can design their broadband networks however they want, but they can't discriminate internet traffic.
Making the delivery services analogy also falls flat because you have your choice of carriers, whereas with ISP's many regions only have one choice for their internet service. Many ISP's have a monopoly on last-mile fiber and are the only point of internet access for many areas. Therefore, if they decide to start downgrading their packet delivery for sites like YouTube, or outright blocking them entirely/redirecting traffic to their own video content sites, you can't simply go to a new carrier because there are no other carriers.
The internet as it is right now is not broken, and that's exactly the point. The way it operates right now is great. It is open and promotes innovation and creativity. If ISP's are left to their own devices and allowed to artificially shape traffic, redirect traffic to their own sites, or downgrade traffic to competing content sites, then the internet as is commonly known will be fundamentally changed and will no longer the free and open network it is supposed to be.
Further, the last line shows how much this writer does not know about the internet. The internet was created by the government. It was initiated under DARPA as a communications network that could survive a nuclear attack by utilizing multiple access points to form a durable and scalable network system. The government also threw massive amounts of cash into building and laying fiber in the 90's that now form the backbone of the internet in the United States.
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I think this sounds complicated. What's wrong with just using the normal post office? Yeah, it can be slow, but it's also one of the oldest organizations in the country…and one of the few who does things right the majority of the time. I'm not a huge fan of governmental control, but what smaller company is going to get our mail nationwide? Walmart? I'm almost a bigger supporter of the government than Walmart. Some things are supposed to be national, like the post office, where other things, like chevrolet dealerships and stores are state or city-run.
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