Senate Parliamentarian Rules Obama Must Sign Senate Bill BEFORE Reconciliation
by SusanAnne Hiller
Via Roll Call
The Senate Parliamentarian has ruled that President Barack Obama must sign Congress’ original health care reform bill before the Senate can act on a companion reconciliation package, senior GOP sources said Thursday.
The Senate Parliamentarian’s Office was responding to questions posed by the Republican leadership. The answers were provided verbally, sources said.
House Democratic leaders have been searching for a way to ensure that any move they make to approve the Senate-passed $871 billion health care reform bill is followed by Senate action on a reconciliation package of adjustments to the original bill. One idea is to have the House and Senate act on reconciliation prior to House action on the Senate’s original health care bill.
Information Republicans say they have received from the Senate Parliamentarian’s Office eliminates that option. House Democratic leaders last week began looking at crafting a legislative rule that would allow the House to approve the Senate health care bill, but not forward it to Obama for his signature until the Senate clears the reconciliation package.
This just confirms what I’ve been saying all along: the House vote is the final vote.
Now, will the House Democrats trust the Senate Democrats and Obama? Harry Reid now appears to have a change of heart and will now allow Republicans input and to offer amendments. Reid wrote:
“Reconciliation is designed to deal with budget-related matters, and some have expressed doubt that it could be used for comprehensive health care reform that includes many policies with no budget implications. But the reconciliation bill now under consideration would not be the vehicle for comprehensive reform — that bill already passed outside of reconciliation with 60 votes,” Reid wrote to McConnell.
“Reconciliation will not exclude Republicans from the legislative process. You will continue to have an opportunity to offer amendments and change the shape of the legislation. In addition, at the end of the process, the bill can pass only if it wins a democratic, up-or-down majority vote. If Republicans want to vote against a bill that reduces health care costs, fills the prescription drug ‘donut hole’ for seniors and reduces the deficit, you will have every right to do so,” he said.
Obviously, Republicans would have to be a part of the legislative process; however, does anyone actually think that a single GOP amendment would really be passed to amend the bill. Furthermore, for Reid to say “a democratic, up-or-down majority vote” is simply disingenuous. Reid knows that he does indeed 60 votes to pass amendments and he is circumventing the GOP filibuster to make any further changes.
That is the bait for the House Democrats–to use the up-or-down vote, which requires only 51 votes to pass the ObamaCare bill changes. The House Democrats must trust that the Senate Democrats will hold true to their word. They also have to make certain that Obama will sign the amended legislation.
As for Obama’s track record of broken promises and bait and switch, I’d go over to Change.gov for a serious reminder of what health reform should look like and what he originally promised voters.






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There will be HELL to pay if they do this thing!
Just a bunch of PUNKS….Makes me sick
I've actually made venison and pork sausage myself by hand before. This is much worse.
"The Senate Parliamentarian has ruled that President Barack Obama must sign Congress’ original health care reform bill before the Senate can act on a companion reconciliation package, senior GOP sources said Thursday."
You have got to be kidding.
Holy bejesus! Do you honestly take garbage like this seriously?
God you people are stupid.
Washington's plans for Universal Health Care is a violation of two of our fundamental rights as stated in our Constitution: The Ninth and Tenth Amendments. The right of the people against an all powerful Federal Government and the right of the people to decide for themselves what the government is NOT given power over by the Constitution.
Linder v. United States, 268 U.S. 5 (1925)
Linder v. United States
No. 183
Submitted March 9, 1925
Decided April 13, 1925
268 U.S. 5
CERTIORARI TO THE CIRCUIT COURT OF APPEALS
FOR THE NINTH CIRCUIT
Syllabus
1. Any provision of an act of Congress ostensibly enacted under power granted by the Constitution, not naturally and reasonably adapted to the effective exercise of such power but solely to the achievement of something plainly within the power reserved to the states, is invalid and cannot be enforced. P. 268 U. S. 17.
2. Direct control of medical practice in the states is obviously beyond the power of Congress. P. 268 U. S. 18.
3. Incidental regulation of such practice by Congress through a taxing act, like the Narcotic Law, cannot extend to matters plainly inappropriate and unnecessary to reasonable enforcement of a revenue measure. P. 268 U. S. 18.
Don't push your sociaIism on us.
I almost hope they will try it. There will be hell to pay when those whoremasters come home for the Easter break!
Just a hunch folks.
This Health Care Hoax has now entered a new phase. It is now the Health Care Debacle. Obama is done, stick a fork in him. His Health Care agenda is DOA. It is all over but the squalling.
Nancy Pelosi does not have the votes, nor will she get them. The Democrats have just been emasculated, and have collectively lost their balls. They won't get this done before Easter break, and the politicians do not want to go home and face their constituents. They have just blinked into the headlights, and realized the light in the tunnel is a train. Obama has just been reduced to Eunuch in Chief.
All is well in Plains, Georgia tonight. Jimmah Carter is happy at last.
It's not passed yet and things are tilting our way. This will stymie them, Pelosi doesn't have the votes or it would be done by now, the deadline has been moved out, Pelosi is is being discredited by the Massa thing, Reids family just got it a wreck (hope they get well soon) which will divert his attention.
Pollsters and others are warning of complete colapse and to stop the kamikaze run. Meantime: Call, write, your congressman and dont stop. You can donate at dickmorris.com to run ads against this, or Sean Hannity's site to the list of congressman to contact. or go to Tea Party Patriots .com site.
Good luck to all.
I will not buy their unconstitutional health care coverage if the Bill does pass and I will not pay their equally unconstitutional fine either. If every citizen who believes in the Constitution and who is against this government take-over did this they would not be able to fund this new entitlement for the lazy leftist among us which would kill it without having to rely on corrupt politicians.
100% agreed!
Anon please tell me, curiosity is getting the better of me, do you live in your mom's basement or a one room tenement some where in the bowels of New Jersey? Do you prefer Cheap Trick or Supertramp? How many Michael Moore movies do you own and of them, which ones have grubby greasy finger prints on them? Is world of warcraft as clear on a 19in cr tube tv as it is on your neighbors 42 in flat screen? The facets of your life intrigue me, please do share, give a link to your blog so we can come and read your drivel.
anon is here, flag down walk away, don't leave him anything to reply to…
"Reconciliation was designed to deal with budget matters",………… this is a budget matter, the
largest tax hike in history, disguised as a health care bill. Remove the camo, admit it's a tax
increase & see what you get. Obviously the 'health care' guise is not working. KILL the BILL !!
I agree 100% we have to fight this no matter what it takes!! We will no longer be free or have the Constitutional rights we were born with.
They can kiss my @ss, I will take asylum in near by Mexico where they are not so intrusive in the people's business. I don't recognize this country any more.
People have to be willing to stretch out their hands and say "cuff me Dano" and be willing to do time to stand for liberty or whatever else it takes to stop it!
I won't leave America I will fight for it, to he death if need be.
Reed………
"If Republicans want to vote against a bill that reduces health care costs, fills the prescription drug ‘donut hole’ for seniors and reduces the deficit, you will have every right to do so,” he said.
What an condecending a$$.
" If Republicans want to vote to have Elmer Fudd wack the Easter Bunny you will have the right to………"
I already spend six to seven months a year in Mexico, I'll just wait for Texas to succeed and jump back across.
Hey. Thanks for this post. I cruise alot of blogs just to see what I can find. i liked this write up you did and was just wondering if you have a subscriber page so I can link to it so I can read it at a later date? I did not see one – am I just overlooking it?
Jack
I moved to Texas. Brought my boots, my guns and my dog.
And a really strong attitude about states rights.
Get the picture?
You are right.
Even Robert Byrd, Historian and Orator of the Senate took that stance in 2002.
I won't be cuffed or taken anywhere. Thats were I will use the 2nd amendment. I hope it never happens but I'm no sheep………
I just watched Gretainterview Congressman Stupak.
My take is, that it is over. Madame Pelosi just lost control of the House. Her members are in open revolt. It just goes to prove Madame Pelosi has no business accumen. She has failed at running a House of Ill Repute.
A bill that will "save" $118B over ten years when the first several years will collect taxes with no benefit DOES NOT SAVE MONEY.
Off subject. Just heard about Sen. Reid's wife and daughter. Please pray for them. He may be an a$$hole but it doesn't mean we can't send a little Christian charity their way.
Harry Reid's wife and daughter were severely injured when a semi truck rear-ended them. Harry was at the hospital, but left to go meet with Rahm on this healthcare mess, so I don't think he is going to let the wreck distract him from his mission.
I truly wish the very best for Mrs. Reid (69) and her adult daughter. Their injuries are bad and are going to take a long time to heal. Mrs. Reid has a broken nose, back, and neck. The daughter has neck problems and facial lacerations. Very sad.
I don't want to say anything snarky, but I simply can not help thinking how ironic it would be if the truck driver were an illegal alien.
While I detest that buzzard, I hold no ill will for his family. Now he can gracefully exit the senate to care for his wife.
Whatever it takes but I think that when they start hauling away grandmothers and grandfathers for not complying people will notice….
"I know not what course others may take; but as for me… give me liberty or give me death!"
Patrick Henry
wldbil
Sorry, but all I could think of when I heard about it was, "I wonder what sort of care they'd get under a gov't-run plan?"
If they defy the people's will this will become more than just some words an old dead guy said one time…
Go cry into your pillow, turd-breath.
I'm stuck in the "people's republic" of Oregon so I will have to take a slightly different approach to getting there…
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Well said Cowboy. I love the "Eunich in Chief" because as we all know he doesn't know crap from shinola and the people surrounding him are just as ill-informed. Pelosi, the dragon queen as been bs-ing them the whole time, so when he leaves for Jakarta to the throngs of protestors who hate him, maybe then he will realize he is truly the Eunich of all time.
Jimmah Carter was demented from the word "go". Too bad he didn't have a peanut allergy.
Unless of course you happen to be the hamster that powers Nancy Pelosi's brain!
Sounds good. Missy, I don't want to leave and I would fight but it would just be me, you and a handful of other people. If people really were outraged and serious about returning the power to people, someone would have made an effort already. There has been so much wrong and 'we the people' think there is a polite, friendly solution. There is not. What's happening now is grounds for revolution and no one is making a move, we are all too scared. How do you fight union thugs, mob, mafia and street gangs? There is only one way but no one will do it.
'just some words that "some old dead guy"
They mean every thing to me…
Yeah I was thinking that same thing, except I don't know what happened to them. I have been trying to avoid the internet it's just been too depressing. I guess I will google and find out what happened. I wish no ill will to wife and mother.
There's no way they can enforce this. Not to mention it will probably be in legal limbo for ages. Especially with some states wanting to opt out of it.
WTF he left the hospital to work on Health Care WTF? Someone smack that b@stard.
They do to me as well…
The kids on the other hand, not so much and I doubt that many in the upcoming generation have any clue as to who he ever was…
It's very sad.
A VERY LONG TIME!
Interestingly enough, again on Greta, Virginia has just challanged the legality of enforcing government mandated insurance purchases. There are thirty-four states that have similar chalanges filed.
Poor Barrack, he just doesn't get it. Yet.
Yeah! Stupid parliamentarian. What the hell does he know about Senate rules!
God you are stupid!
Giggle
And that is the long term battle, we need to get this government out of our schools and universities. And make no mistake, this progressive indoctrination started way before Comrade Obama…
Blah, blah, blah.
Virginia and Texas are in the lead with at least 32 getting on board so far….
LOL!!!!! I have a fan : )
Neither do I, but these POS politicians have the best of everything while ruining everything the people they "represent" eke out. You would think Reid would come out and say, "you know, my family got the best of care and I no longer think that would be posible if government ran the health care system." But that would take decency and other fine traits.
To bad its a troll.
Oh, he'll get it eventually. He'll get it, alright.
In the scheme of things, being right only means "so what", but in this case, I hope and pray I am. I have followed this closely now for a year, and have been politically active. For me, this is not about Health Care. I have it, and pay for it for my employees.
This is about more than Health Care. It is about abuse of power, it is about the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, and preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution of the United States.
The stakes could not be higher.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
uh, having not heard that bit about hughes being killed by a drunk illegal alien, i decided to look it up online. everything i found says hughes died of a heart attack. thought youd like to know.
Head south and hang a left at LA.
You can't miss us.
Absolutely : )
You are right about that.
When these nitwits go home for Easter break the are getting the fear of God (in their case Gaia or who knows what ) put in them by their constituents…
We'll see what happens after that
LMAO!
I am freakin ready too!
I have had it!
Battle of Athens TN on a National scale
Your best chance of getting the Dems to reconsider is if a mob of lillegals were able to sneak Roman Polanski away from his Swiss house arrest and return him to California. Then… you would be getting somewhere.
Thats funny.
The fear of Gaia.
Saint Algore the Pius can lead them in prayer to mother earth, they can all join hands, sing Kum-ba-ya and Joy to the World and chant for passage of their boondoggle.
Yeh, I thought that was very shi&^y of him to leave them and go back to work.
My husband would not leave my side nor I him
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I hope it's DOA. I would gladly have to pay for my own fat man heart surgery
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I think you are spot on with this. It is DOA and I do not look forward to the whining! Its a good thing to, because if it did pass the potential for it to be repealed would be very low…
Love the Eunuch in Chief…
sorry its my alias !
Hmmm, that is almost a super majority…four more states and it would be!
That is a super majority…
I will not back down. Our liberty is at stake.
dittos
If Illinois does get it act together, I will move.
What happens if Obama just signs the stupid thing…No reCONcillation..It's law, apparently, then make the promised changes AFTER 'bamster signs it…
That's what Mark Lavin and Paul Ryan said this afternoon… Hope I heard wrong…Gettin on in years…
And people like you are hosed!
Jane, get me off this crazy thing.
Even if Stupak's 12 hold firm, there are still 16 or so "undecideds" (no such thing as an undecided Democrat, only one that hasn't been bribed or blackmailed enough yet) that voted no last time. Which means it can pass without Stupak and Co. Never underestimate the treachery or corruption of these people.
I could give a damm about Reids family! You think he gives about yours?
I heard the ol Byrds remarks being replayed today on radio, lota' passion in his words.
Strange how most of them can turn on a dime, & argue just as passionately the other
direction. Soulless! Just a game to them. Like ultra high stakes poker, with OPM.
You know, you are right. I always get those two directors mixed up, for some reason. The director and son who were killed by an illegal alien drunk driver (with 3x the legal limit) was Bob Clark, director, co-producer, and co-screenplay writer of "A Christmas Story."
I am very sorry about the mixup. I was trying quite hard to word the part about the shamnesty business, while not being mean-spirited about Mrs. Reid and their daughter's tragic wreck.
Thank you for setting the record straight!
To bad Reid wasn't in the car!
I wish there were a way of correcting these comments after replies are made. As there is not, I hope anyone reading my comment above will also read this:
justwondering was good enough to let me know that I had made an error. Here is my reply to justwondering:
You know, you are right. I always get those two directors mixed up, for some reason. The director and son who were killed by an illegal alien drunk driver (with 3x the legal limit) was Bob Clark, director, co-producer, and co-screenplay writer of "A Christmas Story."
I am very sorry about the mixup. I was trying quite hard to word the part about the shamnesty business, while not being mean-spirited about Mrs. Reid and their daughter's tragic wreck. In doing that, I neglected to jog my memory about the unfortunate director's name.
Thank you for setting the record straight!
You know, you are right. I always get those two directors mixed up, for some reason. The director and son who were killed by an illegal alien drunk driver (with 3x the legal limit) was Bob Clark, director, co-producer, and co-screenplay writer of "A Christmas Story."
Mega, I think you are right on…………I have seen so many head fakes & screens I some-
times think I'm watching an NBA game. Piglosi learned from the outrage over the Senate
kickbacks, therefor is keeping her bribes hush-hush.
Let's not forget that reconciliation is a procedure invented by Democrats, therefore all rules were made by Democrats. Now Democrats don't like the rules. Even Robert Byrd (the KKK member who authored reconciliation) opposes the use of this procedure for this prupose.
I wish there were a way of correcting these comments after replies are made. As there is not, I hope anyone reading my comment above will also read this:
justwondering was good enough to let me know that I had made an error. Here is my reply to justwondering:
You know, you are right. I always get those two directors mixed up, for some reason. The director and son who were killed by an illegal alien drunk driver (with 3x the legal limit) was Bob Clark, director, co-producer, and co-screenplay writer of "A Christmas Story."
I am very sorry about the mixup. I was trying quite hard to word the part about the shamnesty business, while not being mean-spirited about Mrs. Reid and their daughter's tragic wreck. In doing that, I neglected to jog my memory about the unfortunate director's name.
Thank you for setting the record straight! Wish I could do more to correct my error, but that is all I can do.
BTW anyone see any of the Nobel prize money obama got that goes to white people ?
The list of charities includes:
– $200,000 for the Clinton-Bush Haiti fund, which supports relief efforts in the earthquake-ravaged nation;
– $125,000 for the College Summit, which helps prepare students for college;
– $125,000 for the United Negro College Fund, which helps more than 60,000 students attend college annually;
– $125,000 to the Posse Foundation, which awards four-year full-tuition scholarships to students who, according to the White House, "may be overlooked by traditional college selection processes";
– $125,000 to the Hispanic Scholarship Fund, which has awarded scholarships to over 90,000 students over a 34-year history;
– $125,000 to the Appalachian Leadership and Education Foundation, which supports higher education opportunities for students from Appalachia;
– $125,000 to the American Indian College Fund, which provides over 6,000 scholarships annually to Native American students;
– $100,000 to AfriCare, which supports programs primarily in Sub-Saharan Africa dealing with health, food, and water resource development; and
– $100,000 to the Central Asia Institute, which backs education and literacy efforts for girls in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Pretty bad when those in the whitehouse are outright racists.
In any case, illegal aliens are responsible for several crimes, deaths, fraud and abuse of our system without contributing anything tangible to us. They are a cancer that needs to be cut out, and I applaud you for calling them what they are ILLEGAL ALIENS, not this PC 'undocumented worker' crap.
When he does 'get it', IF we can be successful with this smackdown, I'm a little worried
about how he'll handle it. Don't think he's been told NO, HELL NO, in his lifetime.
It would be even more snarky if one was driving a toyota and illegal alien driver.
The more the merrier! Beer's cold, the football is great and BBQ is a cookin'!
There is no way, legal or illegal that obama and his gang will allow this to fail and will force this all into law
just today
House Democratic leaders Thursday abandoned a long struggle to strike a compromise on abortion in their ranks, gambling that they can secure the support for Obama's sweeping health care legislation with showdown votes looming as early as next week.
In doing so, they are all but counting out a small but potentially decisive group whose views on abortion coverage have become the principal hang-up for Democrats fighting to achieve the biggest change in American health care in generations. Congressional leaders are hoping they can find enough support from other wavering Democrats to pass legislation that only cleared the House by five votes in an earlier incarnation.
The concession came as House Democrats attended a lengthy meeting with White House health adviser Nancy Ann DeParle, who tried to answer questions, resolve differences and calm nerves, especially for lawmakers expecting tough challenges in November. Participants said they generally embraced White House-brokered compromises on prescription drug benefits for the elderly and new taxes on generous insurance plans.
I suspect once he forces this his next step is he is working behind your backs to make 20,000,000 illegals aliens legal to assure they all do his voting for mid term.
yup. true… the wives and kids are "non-combatants".
Well unless it's Sarah Palin and the press and White House are attacking.
Lor
And that is what the title of the Post sez…
I think it could be law, but it will LOOK rather high handed if he signs something that the PeoplesHouse had zero to do with until after the fact…
I don't believe anything like this has ever been done in our history…
Leave it to Obama…
Hey I agree. Once replied to, they lock up, and the way I sometimes spell and type -well – YIKES!
Let the mix -up be, not a biggie! You're articulate and informed enough that you're comments here stand on their own.
Besides you're a TEXAN!
Better be HELL either way! Its time to start bringing the hammer down on these people! You live near one do everything you can to make them, their families, family businesses etc completely and totally miserable! Stay within the rule of law and show them not only did Christ rise from the dead but so have the American people. Enough of this being nice crap go at these SOB's. Take the gloves off they need to understand who is boss! Who cares if they say gonna stoop to that level, yes we are "you" been doing it for years now its time to get a dose of your own medicine!
Would love to see a number of them announce they wont be returning to DC during the easter break or make similar statement as some have done already this year they wont be seeking re-election
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