If Pelosi Has the Votes, Then Why Does the House Need the Slaughter Solution to Pass ObamaCare
by SusanAnne Hiller
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is bluffing here when she says:
“Yes,” Pelosi said when asked if she believed the House would end up having the votes to approve healthcare.
“If we took it up today, yes,” the speaker quickly added.
The speaker still cautioned, though, that the timing and actual vote count on the bill couldn’t be entirely set in stone until the final legislative language was finalized and until the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) delivers its score of the bill’s impact.
There is no chance Pelosi has the votes to pass ObamaCare and she knows it. If she did have the votes, she would have already had the vote and wouldn’t need the “Slaughter Solution.”
House Rules Chairwoman Louise Slaughter is prepping to help usher the healthcare overhaul through the House and potentially avoid a direct vote on the Senate overhaul bill, the chairwoman said Tuesday. Slaughter is weighing preparing a rule that would consider the Senate bill passed once the House approves a corrections bill that would make changes to the Senate version. Slaughter has not taken the plan to Speaker Pelosi as Democrats await CBO scores on the corrections bill. “Once the CBO gives us the score we’ll spring right on it,” she said.
The Slaughter Solution has one very large obstacle–the Constitution Article I, Section 7–which states:
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills. Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by Yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
Every Order, Resolution, or Vote to which the Concurrence of the Senate and House of Representatives may be necessary (except on a question of Adjournment) shall be presented to the President of the United States; and before the Same shall take Effect, shall be approved by him, or being disapproved by him, shall be repassed by two thirds of the Senate and House of Representatives, according to the Rules and Limitations prescribed in the Case of a Bill.
Clearly, this Congress is so desperate to pass ObamaCare, despite the American people’s utter hatred of the bill and everything it represents–including the path to socialism and government control of the people. However, if this Congress continues down this path of violating the Constitution, the “people” will have a viable case, class-action or otherwise, in the US courts because it is going to be extremely difficult for a judge to ignore that the 111th Democrat-Progressive led Congress violated Article I, Section 7 to the most obscene extent.
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These people are traitors they took an oath to defend the constitution not trample on it.
"Clearly, this Congress is so desperate to pass ObamaCare, despite the American people’s utter hatred of the bill and everything it represents–including the path to socialism and government control of the people. However, if this Congress continues down this path of violating the Constitution, the “people” will have a viable case, class-action or otherwise, in the US courts because it is going to be extremely difficult for a judge to ignore that the 111th Democrat-Progressive led Congress violated Article I, Section 7 to the most obscene extent."
This debacle will be tied up in perpetuity. The Court will be our peaceful only avenue of recourse to redress these grievances. Taxation, without representation is tyranny, and this is nothing but a tax on every man, woman and child in America.
The Court will be our only peaceful avenue to redress our grievances over this debacle. Taxation without representation is tyranny, and this is nothing but a tax.
And right now piggy pelosi is behind closed doors with every dem trying to seal the deal – behind closed doors? What a shock!
The Democrat party is now a fascist party as lead by their 'progressives'. Republi-crat traitors like Senator Lindsey Graham-nesty and Senator Robert Bennett are their useful idiots.
This reminds me of Aaron Burr and his subsequent trial for treason. It is possible to have a trial for each and every one of these individuals even after they leave office for acts violating the constitution. Burr is the prime example and a precedence for doing just that.
And who would be filing this lawsuit on our behalf? And when? Would there be injunctions barring it's being instituted until the Supreme Court made a ruling?
And Nancy Pelosi said yesterday…"We will not know what is in this bill until it passes"…that can only mean that this is NOT just a health care bill…they are going to shove this down our throats, while refusing to allow the American people to 'know' what it is???? I feel sure it is packed full of 'Big Brother' tactics!!! We have to do something to STOP this!!!
When will Someone take charge and file a point of order that all this is not legal?
Well I'd say Obama primed the Supreme Court pump during his SOTU speech. A little judicial payback might be in order.
I truly hope the constitutional lawyers are lining up right now.
The current CONgress? Representative of the Nazi SS on steroids.
Yes, this will violate Article I, Section 7 but I don't believe this will be so easily resolved by the judiciary on any level. I've completely lost faith in 'the system' in its entirety, which may be restored if, and only if, we return to the practice and use of Constitutional Law instead of precedents in Case Law.
Are they ALL on crack? Pray for gridlock !
A useful lesson the American people have forgotten. When trying to capture a wild or free animal (insert your favorite here), your first must bait a trap. The bait for many years has been welfare and other government gimmies…. The trap is our collective loss of freedom.
An oath is null and void if you have your fingers crossed behind your back!
Is Nancy Pig-lousy George Soros' daughter?, sister?
March the traitors out now under armed guard! Either that or force the secession of Washington, D.C. and re-institute a federal government in Texas or Oklahoma.
No.
She is the daughter of the devils spawn………..
Pelosi? Off with her head.
There's no way that Madam Piglosi will get infront of the tv and actually tell the truth. She won't do that, oh no. Matter of fact, she had lied so much, she probably doesn't even know what's actually true anymore.
The only two things that hold this Nation together are the U.S. Consitution and our general belief in abiding by laws passed in accordance with our laws. At some point, the 530+ people in D.C. who recklessly decide to trample upon those two things that binds us together will find themselves the target of civil disobedience and eventually, armed insurrection. Keep it up, Congress. . . . As for me, I can't wait for November.
We won't have that before long. I say, double your basic load and keep your weapons clean and functional.
They have a twisted sense of belief that they are defending it. And they believe that it can be changed with their power. The narcissism and strong Progressive beliefs have corrupted their sense of what America is.
Related satire: http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/03/with-polls-ov...
huh/
Point out the Constitutionalty of any piece of legislation, (from this WH), all you want. It's clear they have no respect for this document. Earlier posts begs the question, "What's the underlying reason for all of this if not for Healthcare?" It has been very clear to me from the jump. It's the transformation of the United States of America in the image of World Order. When this country starts to collapse, and i believe it will, there will have been a structure put in place to take over, this all seemingly behind the scenes. He already has the components in place, to wit: Cass Sustein – Regulatory Czar, the EPA to handle a failing Cap and Trade legislation, Kevin Jeennings, Education Czar, (to poison our children), Mark Lloyd to control the media and on and on and on…..
The only component i see that he's missing is the military, who i believe could very well be our salvation. Report me as an agitator or malcontent……i give a rip! i hope they monitor this site for my content. But hear me and believe me when i say…when the revolution begins i plan to be on the front lines whatever level of violence ensues.
Always.
How about Texas, Oklahoma and Louisiana? Those three states working as a Republic and a Free Capitalist Economy would thrive. In fact, it would leave the rest of the country clamoring for assistance…like the Fed borrowing from the Chi-coms.
Are you near Sand Point?
Thanks for the laughs my fellow Americans. God you guys are pathetic.
I strongly suggest buying the $149 non hybrid seed packets advertised on Glenn Beck's show. ObamaCare is certain to bring us to Mad Max days.
I'd feel sorry for you guys sans your racism, bigotry, and homosexual hating.
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No they are not defending they are attacking it and all things that have made this country great!
This is the real reason that the forefathers had the genius to create the 2nd Amendment.
jazbo, are you in Missouri, and are you a crafter?? I'm curious because I
know a jazbo from some crafting sites……
Let's see now! These libRETARDS have used everything form threats to bribes to get this GARBAGE passed. Then queen NITWIT has the nerve to say we need to pass it, so you can see what's in it! Then the liar-in-chief is visiting high schools and college to INDOCRINATE our young naive impressional youth. Hmm, who and where was that tactic used before? What these clowns need to understand, is THEY WORK FOR US, and the MAJORITY OF US do not want their health care deform, CRAP and TAX, or RECKLESS STIMULUS plans that DO NOT WORK!
Has anyone seen the FoxNews article on this?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/11/democr...
"Earlier in the day, Pelosi suggested to the National Association of Counties that the bill must be passed before the details are all sorted out."
"We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy," she told local executives.
"Dozens of hearings in the House were postponed so Democrats could meet, including a hearing on the 2011 budget's impact on jobs, training and education, the status of the Federal Housing Administration, which provides mortgage insurance on home loans, and an Immigration and Customs Enforcement budget meeting — and that's just in the Appropriations Committee. "
You're hilarious.
If it weren't for US, where would you be, what would you be doing? Sitting in Granny's basement, chain smoking, with your shorts around your knees, wanking over p orn sites.
"A closed-door meeting in Pelosi's office Wednesday evening moved congressional leaders and administration officials close to agreement …"
"The current plan is for the House to approve the Senate-passed bill from late last year, despite serious objections to numerous provisions. Both chambers then would pass a second bill immediately, making changes in the first measure before both could take effect. The second bill would be debated under rules that bar a filibuster, meaning it could clear by majority vote in the Senate without Democrats needing the 60-vote supermajority now beyond their reach."
"Pelosi and other House Democrats want to include Obama's proposed overhaul of the nation's student loan programs in the second, fix-it health care bill. The measure would require the Education Department to originate all student assistance loans, effectively eliminating a role for banks and other private lenders. That idea has run into opposition from several Senate Democrats."
Yes. I am very scared!
Since all these tea party demonstrations on WDC began, as a Txn I've often
wished the US Capital were more centrally located. How about Branson Mo.,
or Independence Ks? We could then maintain WDC as a purely historical
monument, which would enable us to refrain from defiling its beauty with the
continued modernization now necessary.
"If it weren't for US, where would you be, what would you be doing?"
I'd be in the same place. Sitting in my office trying to do the world some good.
You do have a point however. I'm not sure who'd replace you guys in the festival of ignorance that I find so reassuring to my economic health.
Of course the broad knew she couldn't get the votes. Does anyone here believe for a second that if she "had the votes" that the bill would not already be signed by Barry?
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49%"
- Thomas Jefferson
Ah.
So you are sitting in your office, trying to do the world some good. In the meantime, while you patiently await your "eureka" moment, you are stealing time from your employer, playing on the internet.
I understand now. If it is ok to be on the internet while you are working, you might as well shoot the whole wad and demand government healthcare. Hell, if I were you, I'd quit my job and sign up for gubment cheese and housing.
" We have to pass the bill… so you can find out what is in it"
The whole time with that shit eating plastic-ass grin on her face and a not so subtle evil little cackle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To
perhaps it's all about crying wolf..and hoping we all get so used to hearing it that we won't put up a fight when our time comes…
then hopefully BYE BYE CHICKEN LITTLE!!
I see two reasons why they are pushing to get this "reconciliation" passed as soon as possible First is they are hoping they will buy enough time between now and the November elections to thoroughly distract the ignorant American people. The other reason IS the distraction. They will move to immigration reform in the hope of placating the minority voters. They are hoping to deflect the fact that they are willing to trample on the will of the people by, once again, pretending to champion them.
What we need is a true patriot to play along with Pelosi's plan. If they should find vote enough to merit pushing for a vote the patriot could then shut the bill down and be the hero thereby causing those pushing to take over health care to drop the subject for the time being.
They haven't trampled it… Yet… Ok, much… Well, haven't trampled all of it… I'm pretty sure at least the third amendment hasn't been violated…
Pelosi looks and sounds like an escapee from a mental health maintenance facility circa 1920. Immediately after the standard 'shock therapy' given to all delusional patients in lieu of a frontal lobotomy!
They had better be leary of such a move. They have already pissed off the Supreme Court.
The absents of constitutional law is causing grate damage , BUT !!
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“difficult for a judge to ignore that the 111th Democrat-Progressive led Congress violated Article I, Section 7 to the most obscene extent. “
What better reason for the 112th to impeach anyone still in congress the committed this crime .
“ High crimes & misdemeanors “ I remember that form somewhere .
If Anus shows up, his buddy, HuskersBlowsBo, should be here before long. Seems, these trolls travel in pairs, like Jehova's witnesses.
DC V Heller gives me some hope that the courts still aren't too corrupted, and the balance of power still works.
Chief Justice Robert's remarks Tuesday (link below) help too.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/03/10/obama.supr...
I agree. They would have pushed for a vote already if they had the votes. One thing we have to understand is though they may not have the votes at the moment they will continue to bribe (compromise), blackmail and scheme until they find the necessary votes.
Never heard of anybody having a paper route for so long. I'm impressed.
27 years huh?
Now that's really funny.
I'd think after 27 years, you would have advanced beyond janitor. If I were you, I'd seriously consider finding a better employer. Your current one is quite the asshole.
…….or Mormons.
Wow. She means away from the debate and fog of scrutiny. They really to believe they run things and that we, even fellow congressmen are not permitted to have a say.
Of course they will. I just hope we have enough Representatives with the sand to tell her where to put the un-passed bill. Or lacking the Courage, Will, sense of Duty, Honor, or Balls, they are at least scared enough to want to keep their "jobs".
Keep on laughing although it must be difficult with all that sand falling in your mouth.
If not Huskers, ol' hasslehoff will probably swing by bitching about Zionism, that one is always amusing.
It is. Now the question becomes: when do we use it, and how do we avoid the complete destruction of what we seek to defend?
That picture of the Constitution going through the paper shredder makes me feel sick. Same as when Pelosi was asked if she thought this legislation was constitutional and she had the gall to answer, "Are you kidding".
How about finding enough Congressmen to tell her yes and then turn around and vote no? Chances of that are slim to none, but the fireworks would be grand to see.
CBO numbers. Read em and weep.
1) the Senate's healthcare bill will now cost $875 billion over 10 years and reduce the deficit by $118 billion.
2) it would bring coverage to 31 million Americans who don't currently have it, just as advertised.
Why do you bozos hate cutting the deficit? And why do you hate 31 million Americans being able to buy health insurance?
The CBO isn't in yet. That's data from a previous version of this boondoggle.
[...] For a more complete understanding of the “Slaughter Solution” and its consequences for passage of Obamacare, take time to read the entries from the New York Post, Red State, American Thinker and Big Government. [...]
But thanks for helping, Ellie.
The Jackass Party and its leaders are only doing what their messiah wants them to do. He has said before that the Constitution gets in the way of what the academics know is best for the people. They are oh so smart and we are oh so stupid. VOTE THEM ALL OUT IN '10.
Just curious as to what good you are doing for the world. What line of work are you in, and how does it do the world any good?
How does this "festival of ignorance" contribute to your "economic health" exactly?
Speaking of ignorance, blindly classifying a rather random and diverse group of people as racist, bigoted, and homophobic is pretty much the definition of prejudice, something most people don't like to advertise.
If you don't have anything better to do than get online and pick pissy little verbal fights with people you will never actually meet, then, well, get a dog, or do something slightly constructive. If you want to debate/argue then that's what this is all about, but try using relevant topics, facts, logical arguments, and a few less ad hominem arguments.
CBO basically sez Dems can;t be trusted:
"CBO has not completed an estimate of all of the discretionary costs that would be associated with the legislation. Those costs would depend on future appropriations and are not included in today’s estimate of the direct spending and revenue effects of the bill. As indicated in CBO’s earlier estimate, such costs would probably include an estimated $5 billion to $10 billion over 10 years for administrative costs of the Internal Revenue Service and at least a similar amount for expenses of the Department of Health and Human Services. CBO has also identified at least $50 billion in specified and estimated authorizations of future discretionary spending for a number of grant programs and other provisions of the legislation; whether some or all of those costs would be incurred would depend on future appropriation legislation."
Translation: CBO numbers are meaningless, and they know it.
Are they the guys secretly building that big ass spaceship in the basement of the Tabernacle?
And if that doesn't work, she can always threaten to sic her flying monkeys on them.
CBO, always known to be super accurate in their forecasts.
In 2003, according to the CBO the worst case scenario for the cost of medicare was that it would cost 360 billion by 2023. (1*)
Currently, according to the debt clock medicare costs the taxpayer 762 billion. (2*)
So we are only 402 billion over the CBO projections on medicare for 13 years from now. Paying more than double the projection made as the WORST CASE for 2023 in 2010.
Forgive us ignorants for questioning the validity of a CBO projection. And just another little fact, medicare was sold in the same fashion, that it would reduce the deficit. It is currently the single largest item in the federal budget, costing over 100 billion more than the DOD budget while fighting two wars.
1* http://www.heritage.org/research/healthcare/hl815...
2* http://www.usdebtclock.org/
To quote myself in an earlier post
Of course they will. I just hope we have enough Representatives with the sand to tell her where to put the un-passed bill. Or lacking the Courage, Will, sense of Duty, Honor, or Balls, they are at least scared enough to want to keep their "jobs".
I had made it point to make sure that my children realized that,…
The Revolutionary War, Civil War, WWI, WWII and the Cold War were all fought so that we can be governed under….
The United States Constitution,… this was accomplished by having the schools that we sent them to,….
taught American History in its' entirety. I have complete confidence that my children will do likewise,… however,…..
I am not all that certain about most of l you present day parents with school age children.
Take control people otherwise,.. there will never be a need for discussions of,…
Article 1 or any other Article.
Flying monkeys. ROFL Quick get some water!
Amen brother!
You've stirred the fools up.
How does cutting Medicare by half a trillion and then transferring it to ObamaCare cut the deficit exactly? The Agitator in Chief is pulling the old Double Accounting trick based on false calculations given to him by that Oh So Credible Economic Advisory Panel. Again, Anon do what you do best….go back and finish humpin' your sister.
George Washington didn't use Freedom of Speech against the British – he shot them.
Get real. Facts and logical arguments are not to be found here.
I'm one of those 31 million Americans and I prefer pay as you go. Who are you or this government to force me to do otherwise?
the structure is the czars and the foundation will be the 'green industry'. Even a dumb mover knows that!
George Washington didn't use Freedom of Speech against the British – he excercised his 2nd Amendment right.
He apparently is one of those posters, who gets paid to post. I think they get 2.5 cents per post.
cardon – Nope, jazbo is in the Peoples Republic of New York
Actually, she's the daughter of Baltimore mayor/mob boss Fat Tommy D'alesandro.
"Sitting in my office trying to do the world some good."
You really think propagandizing for you foul, villainous philosophy actually does the world good?
God you are stupid.
"and reduce the deficit by $118 billion"
You do realize that that Obama lie was exploded within minutes of his reading it from the Teleprompter?
Have you forgotten how Medicare was promised to cost only $10bn a year? Sheesh, you actually believe that this turd of a bill (contents unknown outside Queen Nancy's royal apartments) will *reduce* Federal spending? A universal entitlement, reduce spending?
God you are gullible.
The quids are mobilizing again trying to make a comeback for their saviour. I'd say it's not going to work again this time. They've awakened the sleeping majority in this country who I might add are extremely pissed off right now. This small group of national quids want us all to believe they're the majority and what they say goes. Well I say there's a piece of parchment paper in Washington DC that says otherwise. That's where the American ideals are written, and the freedoms written are protected with the blood of all our patriots.
If we lived in a European country, I would say you were a great patriot…but since we don't, you are a mere fool. Would you give the poor a fish to eat, or, a fishing pole. Wait a minute, that's a stupid point, since your 'Hero' is gonna prevent them from catching fish to feed their families. Gonna be some pissed off(and starving)Haitians down in Okeechobee, Fl.
There's 2 types of courts . . . one in the judicial system. Think we know where the other one is . . . .
What a bozo! Believing the CBO… What a maroon!!! Why do you think that 6 years of pre-taxation is required before the plan actually takes effect. In short (and I will answer for you because you obviously do not have the intelligence to formulate the answer), the pre-funding creates the mirage of a deficit neutral/reducing bill.. You, and so many of you ilk, are a product of the failed school systems and are incapable of research, thought, and reasoning. Move to Sweden… See if it is as good as what you are being told… You will be back and sorry you believed your Stalinist party leaders….
This whole health care thing is kinda like walking along minding your own business and you suddenly step in a pile of dog crap. You wash your shoe off, but the smell just won't go away. And progressives, well stupid is on them like a permanent marker on a white board – it just won't wash off.
I don't mind having this drag out till elections especially considering the next agenda item will be amnesty which is sure to garner the Democrats some much needed votes provided by get out the (democrat) vote campaigns. Chances are very good though that there is already a draft immigration (reform) bill ready and waiting.
you bet there is more than disastrous health care reform in this bill. For one, the student loan takeover will be included, excluding banks from granting student loans w/o govt guarantees. IOW: Only government student loans, and the trash that passed in the House requires students who take these loans to do "public service" work for some months, can't remember how many, think "little Acorn-bots." I started to say O'Bummer would put his sport fishing ban in there, but he is going to do that by "executive order". The narcissistic marxist twit is writing his own laws, Congress is ignoring the will of the majority of the citizens, and the sheeple keep watching Dancing with the Stars and American Idol. God help us. And while I am on a ranting roll, Grahmnesty is a shamnesty! is there no intelligent life inside the beltway?
Roundup_Logan is a typical government teat sucking ignorant teabagger.
Suppose you do get sick and it costs millions to care for you. And you can no longer work. Whose gonna take care of you? That's right. Taxpayers.
God you people are stupid,
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