Let the Bribes Begin: Obama Offering Judgeships to Secure Health Care Votes
by SusanAnne Hiller
Yesterday, The Weekly Standard reported that President Obama hosted 10 Democrat House members at the White House last night:
Tonight, Barack Obama will host ten House Democrats who voted against the health care bill in November at the White House; he’s obviously trying to persuade them to switch their votes to yes. One of the ten is Jim Matheson of Utah. The White House just sent out a press release announcing that today President Obama nominated Matheson’s brother Scott M. Matheson, Jr. to the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit.
Apparently, Obama thinks that Matheson’s brother is qualified to become a federal judge:
“Scott Matheson is a distinguished candidate for the Tenth Circuit court,” President Obama said. “Both his legal and academic credentials are impressive and his commitment to judicial integrity is unwavering. I am honored to nominate this lifelong Utahn to the federal bench.”
Matheson’s background reads:
Scott M. Matheson currently holds the Hugh B. Brown Presidential Endowed Chair at the S.J. Quinney College of Law, University of Utah, where he has been a member of the faculty since 1985. He served as Dean of the Law School from 1998 to 2006. He also taught First Amendment Law at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government from 1989 to 1990.
While on public service leave from the University of Utah from 1993 to 1997, Matheson served as United States Attorney for the District of Utah. In 2007, he was appointed by Governor Jon Huntsman to chair the Utah Mine Safety Commission. He also worked as a Deputy County Attorney for Salt Lake County from 1988 to 1989. Prior to joining the University faculty, Matheson was an associate attorney from 1981 to 1985 at Williams & Connolly LLP in Washington, D.C.
Matheson was born and raised in Utah and is a sixth generation Utahn. He received an A.B. from Stanford University in 1975, an M.A. from Oxford University, where he was a Rhodes Scholar, and a J.D. from Yale Law School in 1980.
Seems that Matheson is hurdling a few career steps to become a judge. Wonder how his brother will vote now. After all, he did vote “no” the first time around on health care and the House is just not that fond of the Senate bill.






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Give the guy five more minutes, I'm sure there is a vacant ambassadorship somewhere in the world!
All I have to say is, I'm thankful my district is represented by Chaffetz.
Matheson is a lost cause here in the reddest state in the Union…So is his bro…!
My God, this is open blatant in our faces corruption! These people are utterly shameless. Do they think we are so stupid, do they think we don't see? When will someone in power call this crap out? Isn't this crap illegal? Isn't there some law which could be used to stop this and all the corruption going on? Or are we the people going to have to start making citizen arrests?
Well it is odd that family members are working the same arena, public life, not much of that happens in the good ole U.S.A..
Maybe you hit it right on the HEAD, maybe not. I am not opposed to younger judges with only 4 years of Associate lawyer work under there belt, plus some other credits..
What I like is HIS PENSION plan, let us dissect that!???
Talk to Eric Holder…I'm sure he'll get right on it…! =)
Prime example of Machine politics, if can't bully or threaten, persuade with appointment of family.
Save just a little of that stimulus $$$ for complete fumigation of the White House after 2012.
Your personal freedom apparently has a price where congress is concerned and they prove every damn day that there is no such thing as honor in Washington DC.
These people need to be in JAIL!!!
I just love how they release these "backgrounds". "He also worked as a Deputy County Attorney for Salt Lake County." Did he use croynism like Delahunt did to put a killer back on the street to kill some more? I'd like to know about some of the cases this guy worked on. He is clearly using croynism now. Seeing as Matheson apparently doesn't see any conflict of interest here where else in this guys career has he accepted graff?
This guy needs to be investigated to the hilt. Who knows what will be found by simply turning over a few stones in Utah? Do you hear me Senator Hatch?
As for Barry buying a vote with a judicial appointment, who is surprised??
The White House just sent out a press release announcing that today President Obama nominated Matheson’s brother Scott M. Matheson, Jr. to the United States Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit….
That's the Chicago way!
I guess the obama administration is working on that being more transparent thingy….
And I must say it is pretty transparent what is going on here……. lol
If this guy has a shred of integrity, he'll recuse himself from the health care vote.
Right.
Did a big-haired Governor of Illinois get fired for doing pretty much the same thing?
When you have nearly the entire media complex willing to cover for you, there's really no need to hide things much. They literally have thousands of "reporters" who will spin this as no big deal.
I could have sworn he spent 5 minutes of his speech yesterday complaining about the political games and how he was removing things from the bill that were based on swaying congressional votes.
Oh! I get it. Remove the bribes from the bill and just bribe them with Judicial appointments! I wonder how many ambassadorships have already been promised to dems who know they'll be out of a job in the fall…
Surprising…
Oh yeah. "A judicial appointment for my brother? Sorry Mr. President. I'm holding out for a new Oldsmobile.
Throw in some white walls and you got a deal!"
Ya' mean like Chuckie Rangel and his 'broken down' Cadillac being restored at tax payer expense..?
Kinda sorta, but not really…Blago got busted for taking graff (pay-to-play) in making an appointment to replace Barry's Senate seat. This Matheson deal, is just that. A deal to get a yes vote in the house, in exchange for a family appointment. Neither are prudent, nor legal to some degree.
An appelate judge appointment is an F-ing valuable thing.
Is there any chance this doesn't mean he agreed to be bribed in advance? Is there any chance that when the hearing comes up we will have him on the stand, and he'll tell the truth of why the timing is suspicious?
Clearly, the democratic congress is following Obama off the cliff because they believe they will be rewarded with cushy appointed positions in the future should they lose their seats. We need to remove ALL appointments like this to ensure no democratic congress can be bought, and impeach this judge if he wins approval.
To drain this swamp, cut all federal government pay and eliminate all political appointments. And heck, that's also the correct answer to reduce the debt, as well as the correct answer for allowing the private sector to thrive. Cut half the pay, half the benefits, and half the jobs.
oh but we're supposed to excuse the "Messiah" and look the other way, for offering these kinds of deals, and everything else he does, because he is BLACK, right? And because we are supposed to "give him a chance", right Jon Stewart et. al.?
"I have here on this paper, the signature of Herr Hitler, that guarantees we will have peace in our time" — Lord Chamberlain (predecessor to Winston Churchill before World War II) and the greatest fool of the 20th century
Total BS!! Looks like Pelosi's SWAMP just got a lot bigger. These pigs have no shame!!
Obama should be impeached, this administration should be going to jail for their blatent disregard for the Constituion and their corruption. I don't understand why steps have not been taken to clean up this administration other than the fact the media does not report on it.
Or Rangels broken down Benz being stored at a parking garage that us tax payers paid for?
My bad, it was a Benz…
We need to cut congressional pay and remove the Cadillac healthcare benefits from the compensation package. If we are to be expected to tolerate socialized medicine then these scumbags should lead the way.
We should also treat any house or senate member that gets voted out of office as having been FIRED! and should mean the end the retirement pay and health benefits.
We also need to limit the congressional session to no more than 6 months and require that the remaining 6 months are spent talking to constituents and actually listening to what WE want done.
I think that the Jersey recall petition is a good start to draining this swamp and should be repeated in every state.
It’s the Chicago way, were cronyism, and shady dealings are a virtue. Take note America, the ends always justify the means with leftist…make’em pay in November!
rope……tree…..politician…….some assembly required….
As a Utahn, I detest Matheson. His whole family are a pack of vultures. Career politicians.
If something is unsolicited, can it still be considered a favor? Scott Matheson is a highly qualified individual, but the timing of this is way too suspicious. I'm sure Jim Matheson believes his brother deserves such a position, but talk about an unexpected "present". I'd like to believe that Jim did something to tick of POTUS enough that he heavy-handedly announced Scott's appointment prior to actually speaking with Jim. But maybe not. Either way, Jim Matheson is left holding a stinky bag…
Maybe it's just a coincidence.
And maybe I'm a Chinese jet pilot.
let me see……
no..
you don't look Chinese
obummer is going to do whatever he is told in order to gather the votes
Excellent! The newest "political party pack". Soon to debut at Tea Parties near you. I like it.
Bribery is illegal. But good luck grtting Holder to do anything about it.
Your name doesn't sound Chinese…
It's blatantly ILLEGAL. It's blatantly BRIBERY! No ifs, ands, or buts about it!
I call for an INVESTIGATION into NObama's Bribery!!!! This and all the other bribes he made already!
Scott Matheson is a highly qualified individual,
Why? Because he was a county atty. for a year and an inside the beltway
atty. four? No other work such as ohhh lets say …. a judge.. anywhere.
just some impressive schooling and some teaching gigs
Time to get down and play Foreigner's classic Dirty White Boy…
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The gasoline these fools are pouring on themselves could be put to better use. I do believe (The O'bama factor) will be ignited in Nov. and burn off in short order exposing the swamp for what it truly is; Corruption to the highest degree….and unlike anything the world has ever known
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I think if waterboarding can be considered torture, bribery can be considered a high crime and/or misdemeanor.
I never said he was qualified to be appointed a judge…all I said was that he was highly qualified. There is a difference.
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We must elect non career leaders that will enact term limits so they do not become career Politicians.
I am donating, and encourage others to donate to Conservative ( I do not mean progressive) primary candidates all over the country.
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I'm sure he will turn out to be the best judge money and influence can buy! Gotta go sharpen my pitchfork and find the torch.
Is there any evidence that the motive for the nomination was to secure a vote for health care reform? This looks more like the fevered speculation of delusional crazies suffering from advanced, and ideally terminal, Obama Derangement Syndrome. The nominee is highly qualified for a seat on the Tenth Circuit.
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Upon Obama's election, I said one good thing could come of it. I said the entire nation now would get a prime taste of how Illinoisans live every day.
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I've never seen DC politics so clearly…It is amazing what a few real reporters can do.
That's right. Watch this hand over here, pay no attention to the other hand. If his mouth is moving, you can bet your A55 he lying.
Better to beg for forgiveness than ask for permission.
I think your on to something….
Just for fun, can we cut politicians in half too?? Pelosi, Reid and Dodd would be first….figuratively, of course.
How does such a conservative group of people vote for someone like this guy?
Its not just the White House….any CONgressman/woman that has passed an unconstitutional law. I would love to see what happened to the teacher's union in NJ (74 teacher's fired) happen to CONgress, except with jail time attached.
Exactly. Don't worry though. This time the media will report on this stating that the Republicans do it all the time. After all, there was George then George W.
And Massa is outted also the Chicago Way "See son your political carreer is over you might as well get smart and vote for Heath C,are. We warned you,but i like you kid so play ball now will see what we can do for you. You like money right?"
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When the House is infested with rats, roaches, and all manner of vermin; there is only one thing to do. Call the exterminator.
you people are suffering from the Obama Derangement Syndrome….ha ha ha ha…….
weekly standard gave no evidence……but said "he’s obviously trying to persuade them to switch their votes to yes."
are you guys are so dense you can't even think for yourself……….
If he has a shred of integrity he will vote against it. Anyone who votes for this bill, votes against the Republic and against Liberty.
More bribes to assure the commie gang of obama has 40,000,000 illegals to use for mid year term voting later this year
Cities, counties and states that haven't been very kind to illegal immigrants over the years are suddenly dusting off their welcome mats. With the 2010 census about to get under way, those undocumented residents will be worth a lot of money for the next few weeks.
Jurisdictions across the country are reaching out to illegal immigrant communities, some of which are reluctant to participate, in an effort to convince them that filling out the census form is safe and that the information they provide won't be used against them.
Counting every last resident is vital for these districts, because the census numbers will be used to determine funding as well as legislative districts. The more people an area has, the more money it is eligible for, and the more representation it can get in Congress — which usually means even more money.
"It helps us build our hospitals, schools, parks, libraries," said Michael Nowakowski, vice mayor of the city of Phoenix and the point person for the census on the City Council.
But cities like Phoenix have a major trust gap to close. Phoenix is in the heart of Arizona's Maricopa County, where Sheriff Joe Arpaio is known nationwide for cracking down on illegal immigrants.
Nowakowski acknowledged that this has created some problems.
"It's been really challenging for us. … The fear level's very high," he said.
To counteract that, the city's specially formed census committee is reaching out to illegal immigrant communities, through Spanish-language media and other avenues, to assure them they won't be locked up or deported based on census information they provide.
In Phoenix, officials estimate every resident counted is worth about $400 in government funding.
According to the Census Bureau, the information collected over the next few weeks will help determine where more than $400 billion in federal funding goes every year to projects like schools, senior centers, bridges and hospitals.
On the East Coast, Virginia officials are grappling with the same suspicions.
"In some cases, they're being told, don't cooperate," said Bill Vaughan, county demographer for Prince William County.
Prince William, which gained widespread attention in 2007 for its aggressive crackdown on illegal immigrants, now is reaching out to all groups — including undocumented residents — through literature in the schools and public education events at places like shopping centers, Vaughan said.
"Our ability to provide services counts on as complete a count as we can get," he said, expressing optimism that a large number of people will cooperate. "Even though we did have a fairly controversial initiative, I think most people will see … the advantages for this county, for the census."
Nearby Fairfax County, Va., which is participating in a program that checks inmate fingerprints against an immigration database to flag and deport law-breaking illegals, is making the same argument.
"Our population is what drives our ability to attract transportation and education, human services funding to the area and it is also what we base our redistricting on," said Sharon Bulova, chairwoman of the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors, though she stressed that Fairfax does not have a campaign targeted specifically at illegal immigrants.
She said every counted resident is worth about $1,000 to the county.
But some argue that courting illegal immigrants for the census is tantamount to juking the stats and should not be done.
William Gheen, president of the Americans for Legal Immigration PAC (ALIPAC), said that counting undocumented residents for the purposes of the census "undermines" the electoral process — he said on that basis, immigrant-heavy places like Southern California could qualify for far more funding and representation than immigrant-light places like Maine.
"It is intrinsically unfair and abusive to American citizens," Gheen said. He said Congress should eventually exclude all data from illegal immigrants for funding and apportionment decisions and allow it to be used instead for enforcement. Plus, he said, counting illegal immigrants in the census is part of a "de facto amnesty" policy.
Counting illegal immigrants, and everyone else, as part of the census is nothing new. A head count every 10 years is required by the Constitution, and it is supposed to include every man, woman and child in the country, irrespective of nationality or citizenship. The Census Bureau is prohibited by law from divulging personal information.
Don't play lawyer ball, Bobby! – Hank Hill
I question the timing. heh.
So. The Tea Party will get all over this, some Republican will decide to enter, and another House seat slildes into the toss-up/leans Republican column.
Gee, thanks, Barry! Keep those bribes coming!
Shouldn't Obama be in jail for bribery?
Obama is now blatantly open with his "thug-style" backroom politics. Somehow, this smells of corruption and violation of ethics and the Constitution. Enough. Are there no decent, honorable individuals remaining in our Congress? This is a sad commentary on America.
Obama needs to be impeached. He is hell-bent on destroying our country. God help us all!
Can't impeach him either because he is blackmailing us! Yes, Lucifer definitely is a "Joker!" Don't tell me that trying to fundamentally transform our government into Marxism isn't treason, either!
Well, the President does understand how to work a job without the required experience…
OK, I'll bite–related to the article, he is highly qualified for what? The whole thing is about a judgeship and he has no recent, relevant experience….
Pardon Blagoyavich, he did nothing more than what Obama just did. Welcome to Chicago Patronage Politics.
What if they enacted a law and the citizens said "F*** off!"
Teapartiers and Patriots:
Here's another beaut… This happened last Saturday, "on-the-corner". This lady walked up to our one-year anniversary teaparty and simply stood there shaking her head, until our own Eddie Napolitano was able to engage her in conversation while Channel1 Images filmed her. This is the quintessential, Obama mama, wishing to drive up your taxes so she can have free health care while motoring the countryside and cities in a hummer. Make ya wanna pull out your hair? Does me. To this I say, TANSTAAFL… "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch."
Danita
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"I tremble for the future of my country when I reflect that God is Just"
Thomas Jefferson
ENEMIES IN WAR…..
"I will not go silently into tyranny"
Author: Brian Kilcullen, http://www.EnemiesinWar.com
Teapartiers and Patriots:
Here's another beaut… This happened last Saturday, "on-the-corner". This lady walked up to our one-year anniversary teaparty and simply stood there shaking her head, until our own Eddie Napolitano was able to engage her in conversation while Channel1 Images filmed her. This is the quintessential, Obama mama, wishing to drive up your taxes so she can have free health care while motoring the countryside and cities in a hummer. Make ya wanna pull out your hair? Does me. To this I say, TANSTAAFL… "There Ain't No Such Thing As A Free Lunch."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwTOk2VvaUg
"I tremble for the future of my country when I reflect that God is Just"
Thomas Jefferson
ENEMIES IN WAR…..
"I will not go silently into tyranny"
Author: Brian Kilcullen, http://www.EnemiesinWar.com
So THIS is what the Democrats mean by "PAYGO"! Sen. Bunning was obviously merely confused as to the interpretation.
I'm with you. It's completely inexplicable. I'd be willing to wager that some of these rats will be facing prosecution after the November elections. Impeachment proceedings may well be in the works.
Lips, we get the point. No need to repeat yourself.
No Surprise. He will fit right in with the Vultures that have hijacked our country! I hope they all get prosecuted for Illegal Congressional vote getting. Can anyone say Impeachment?! TeaPartyNurse, NJ.
We don't have to wait until November to snag obama and Thugs. This could finally be obama's and pelosi's downfall!!
All we have to do is follow the Corrupt activities that they are using to garner votes for their Socialist Health Care Bill, and have our JUSTICE DEPT investigate them!
Help us out everyone! Are you out there Justice Dept? This is outright Corruption of the highest order. They are attempting to shape Legislature that effects AMERICA'S future! ina BAD way. Lawyers of America—-HELP!
We can do it if we stay on top of these BRIBES.Can anyone say Impeachment? ok I'll settle for the Bill fails to pass!
TeaPartyNurse, NJ
Great work but it should be titled "Let the Bribes Begin…Again". We've already seen the bald faced payoffs for votes. This is just par for the course.
fumigate the white hse.it stinks from the top on down.
SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!!!
Oh wait…….the nepotism of the Democratic political machine is never surprising.
What with the media having coronated this clown five seconds into his term, is it any wonder that he has developed an acute case of megalomania? This boob really believes all the panegyrics the media warbled about him; he is simply another Chicago thug masquerading as a politician. Someone else wrote that he should be impeached – I could not agree more!!
Why is anyone surprised about this. The entire health care process has been filled with bribes and payoffs. If this bill was actually as good as Obama, Pelosi and Reid are trying to claim most would have quickly jumped on board. This is Chicago politics at its finest. Why anyone thought that they would get honestty when they elected one who only knows the Chicago thug mentality is beyond me.
What's almost worse than the act in question is the White House pie-hole-in-chief calling this a "silly argument," as though if Bush had done this the Democrats wouldn't rightly be screaming about it.
More: http://thehayride.com/2010/03/did-obama-bribe-a-c...
Yep, more of the same. But are we surprised..this is about fundamentally changing the USA…from a REPUBLIC to a communist state. What ever it takes, the end justifies the means. Crinimal!
now, now… to be fair, Scott Matheson, Jr. is a LOT more qualified to be a judge than BHO is to be POTUS.
Let's look at Judge Michael McConnell– the judge Matheson is replacing. McConnell was nominated by President George Bush in 2001– and he never sat on the bench as a Judge. McConnell's background is very similar to Scott Matheson– even down to the law school that employed them before they were nominated. After serving as a appellate judge for just a few years, McConnell's name was batted around as a possible Supreme Court Justice. Matheson and McConnell's experience pre-judgeship look very similar– except one thing, their politics.
Maybe I am missing the point but look at the statement of:
"I am honored to nominate this lifelong Utahn to the federal bench"
Then look at Work experience:
Kennedy School of Government from 1989 to 1990
And
Williams & Connolly LLP in Washington, D.C.
These seem like a long commute as a "lifelong Utahn"
I may just be arguing semantics, but it seems a "lifelong Utahn" would have lived there his entire life…
Congressman Matheson now has two choices: (1) vote yes and appear corrupt, or (2) vote no and screw his brother. Another smooth win-win presented to you by the AxelRahm Obama Three Ring Circus!http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/ [For a light hearted take our present peril]
I attend law school where Matheson Teaches and his brother is my representative. I'll tell you this much, as far as judges go it's NEVER the most qualified person nominated. It's always political back-scratching. The State Court House in Salt Lake City is the Scott Matheson (Sr.) court house. Their family has contributed to the well being of this state for decades. Jim Matheson is an old school democrat and basically a republican. Mitt Romney is more democrat than Jim Matheson.
Is this political posturing from Obama? Of course it is, no one is denying that. However, if Jim changes his vote I can guarantee right now that he won't be reelected. I know it, his other constituents know it and most importantly HE knows it.
Matheson won't soil his family's name for a failing health care bill, he's much too smart for that. I like the man, I support the man and I voted and will continue to vote for the man as long as he represents us in the manner he has previously.
GBA.
The Matheson family has a very strong and positive reputation. There has never been a whiff of scandal about Scott, Jim or their father, who was an excellent governor. I find it very unfortunate that Obama has besmirched the reputation of these good men.
As a Utahan, I completely and strongly disagree with you. Jim Matheson has more integrity in his pinky than Orrin Hatch has in his entire body (and don't get me started on Bangerter.)
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It is kind of funny to a Chinese person the the name Robert.
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I Have missed your witty insights as of late, Nice to see you haven't lost your edge.
Seems like he is getting bolder and bolder,this is right in your face stuff.
Obama does not care about his corruptness,he is proud of it and his party goes right along with,when nothing is done you can get away with anything.
THE REAL REASON FOR HEALTHCARE THE REAL BRIBE
ANDY STERN HEAD SEIU HEALTHCARE WORKERS UNION, ANDY MOST VISITOR WHITEHOUSE, HIS CAMPAIGN TO OBAMA 150 MILLION, ANDY BRAGGED I'LL GET MY INVESTMENT BACK, WHAT WILL; HE GET FROM OBAMA- GOVT HEALTHCARE, PAYOFF TO ANDY AND SEIU, THEY WILL PROFIT.
Once again, I'm SHOCKED, shocked, I tell you, to think that the most transparent administration in history is, once again bribing people to get their vote!
Just SHOCKED!!!!!
This is no resume for a Federal Apeals court judge …. at all !….That court is one step below the supreme courI t …. are these people nuts ….and I say that without even considering the circumstances extant in his nomination ….what fools
Eric Holder? You are kidding right?
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Let's demand a populus vote in November on ALL the bills. Let the people decide not the Congressman. ALL BILLS, ALL LEGISLATIVE ACTIONS. Also, let's put an impeachment vote on that ballot too. Let's see what the people REALLY want, not what the news media keeps telling us we want!
They besmirched themselves when they put the D by their names and continue to do so as long as they are a part of the party of Obama.
Strong and positive reputation? That's funny!! But I'll concede that point for arguments sake. Should they want to keep that intact. They should repudiate Obama. Resign from the party and decline they judgeship.
That would be "strong and positive'.
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[...] openly corrupt manner, with side deals, special exemptions, special interest favors and patronage (a judgeship, really?), betrays a contempt for the legislative and political process that is almost unfathomable. Worse, [...]
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