Sen. Harkin and Rep. Charlie Rangel Both Have Same CBO Story; Healthcare Deal Was Done BEFORE MA Election
by SusanAnne Hiller
As reported in a previous article, Senator Harkin clearly contradicted President Obama when he stated:
Labor leaders had announced an agreement with White House and congressional representatives over an excise tax on high-cost insurance plans on the Thursday before the special election.
Harkin said “we had an agreement, with the House, the White House and the Senate. We sent it to [the Congressional Budget Office] to get scored and then Tuesday happened and we didn’t get it back.” He said negotiators had an agreement in hand on Friday, Jan. 15.
Harkin made clear that negotiators had reached a final deal on the entire bill, not just the excise plans, which had been reported the previous day, Jan. 14.
Harkin said the deal covered the prescription-drug “donut hole,” the level of federal insurance subsidies, national insurance exchanges and federal Medicaid assistance to states.
Senator Harkin would know if a deal was done as he was in the marathon meeting at the White House on January 13, 2010. On the same day, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid put out a brief joint statement:
“Today we made significant progress in bridging the remaining gaps between the two health insurance reform bills. We’re encouraged and energized, and we’re resolved to deliver reform legislation that provides more stability and security for those with insurance, extends coverage to those who don’t have coverage, and lowers costs for families, businesses, and governments.”
However, it appears that the statements made by Harkin weren’t so far-fetched. On January 14th, House Ways and Means Chairman, Charlie Rangel, who was also in the WH meetings, confirmed that the healthcare bill was on its way to the CBO for scoring, either Friday the 15th or Saturday the 16th, to reporter Anna Edney, who then Tweeted the information:
So, who is telling the truth? Harkin and Rangel or Obama at the GOP Retreat when he stated they were still working on those “stray cats and dogs” in the bill.
There is, however, one more problem. When you talk to members of Congress, they consistently refer to the health bill as being in “conference” to merge the House and Senate version. When, I went to the THOMAS bill tracking system, it mentions nothing of the sort. It has all of the amendments and votes, but the latest update has nothing about the bill being in conference as other legislation documents. This administration is circumventing the legislative process so much that the offical bill tracking system can’t even be updated properly.
The only conclusion that can be made is that Obama, Pelosi, Reid and company were indeed attempting to jam through a healthcare bill and vote on it before the MA election, but time ran out for them and they lost a day due to the MLK federal holiday on January 18th. So much for Obama’s olive branch to the Republicans at the GOP retreat–all talk–just words as Obama’s says in this speech. I think we get it now, again, I hope the GOP does too.
The next questions are: where is the final agreement that went to the CBO and why haven’t the American people been shown the new merged bill?
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they hope to pass this without CBO approval, and you will NEVER be shown the actual bill…
Because that's how this bunch does business. Forget the lip service you heard from Barry 'I'm not an ideologue'
Obama who will make centrist noises but IS an ideologue (that was one of most barefaced lies we've ever heard a Prsident make) and is utterly determined to socialize, and control, the American people.
Make NO mistake about his. They are deadly serious. So, just because they will now lie more doesn't alter the reality, which is get as much done, as quickly as you can, and doamn the consequences.
They'll worry about that later…
This is a rhetorical question but why isn't Charlie Rangle in PRISON?
This bunch is out to destroy this country, deliberately. Americas greatest enemy is within our own White House.
A lot of turds in that cesspool…which one stinks the worst is the question I have.
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Isn't that SPECIAL?
"So, who is telling the truth? Harkin and Rangel or Obama at the GOP Retreat when he stated they were still working on those “stray cats and dogs” in the bill."
I can tell you who is telling the truth. NONE OF THEM!
Why isn't Senator McConnell or his caucus objecting about former Senator Kirk still being allowed to vote? And, what is the delay in getting Senator Brown sworn in? Of course, that presumes that newly elected Senator Brown will in fact vote against the Democrat's healthcare bill!
They don't make cells that large?
I dunno. It was just a wild guess…………
Well I believe Harkins/Rangel's version.. I'm just as worried that Sen Scott Brown hasn't been seated and they are allowing an Ex Senator to keep voting in his place.. I heard Sen Brown say he will be seated on Feb 11, and I have to ask " WHY THE HELL " isnt he fighting for the " People's Seat" that he won, instead of running the talk show curcuit.. For someone that say's hes for the "people" he sure is allowing the Gov. to bypass laws and doesn't seam to be to worried about " The People's Seat " now that he won, as if no problem I won and I will allow Sen Reid to seat me when he wants and not when the "people" that elected me want !!! How many more votes will go through while hes ( Sen Brown ) is running the talk show curcuit ??? I guess Jay Leno's show was more important !!!
BS
Yet another "shoe drops". These people are total scum bags. What IS the definition of treason now a days – or have they exempted them selves from that too??? So much for "upholding the Constitution of The United States":..
These gutter slime are asking for it. This year's new Congress better clear the chaff from the threshing floor and throw it into the fire. Give these Corruptocrats a foretaste of the eternal Hell they seek, I say! Sending Rangel to prison is only one of the first of many tasks.
I was in Brown's corner for a while but more and more he's looking like Lindsey Graham and Arlen spector.
Just look at the expression on Charlie "The Harlem Huckster" Rangel's face. Looks like someone in the crowd has yelled "what stinks" and Rangel is the one who eased off a silent one.
They all lied.
They all swill around in the same mess, so they all smell the same!!!!
I agree!! More doublespeak, meant to confuse us all!!!
He is busy getting the "Mr. Smith" tour of Washington and the Media circuit. He left his brains and passion at the campaign door, now comes the elected free ride! Buckle up folks!
"A thief and a liar go hand-in-hand" They Always Lie!
They have no regard for the constitution, or their oath to uphold it!!! As pelosi said when asked if the HC bill was constitutional-" are you serious, are you serious" dispicable!!!
i have been on this site since it started and think you have 1 of the better critiques. today i registered cause of your comment ealrier today about regulars leaaving this site. good luck 2 u and keep up the gr8 work
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They are all John Edwards democrats — takes a piece of their DNA to get them to tell the truth.
I'm nauseated and plan to get even in Nov 2010 — can't wait.
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Thank you.
Thats somewhat humbling. I appreciate it. If you just signed up, I'd sure like to welcome you,and ask that you get involved. Not only here, but in your own circle, your own community. When you leave, and come back, bring a friend.
Hey can you photoshop that picture? put an orange jumpsuit on him!!!
I think he looks like he just pooped his panties.
My grandson gives me thatlook when his diaper needs changed.
Is Charlie wearing Depends? Inquiring minds want to know.
Because he a black Dem pol; an extremely protected section of the populace.
Do you think for a moment they are not going to try to pull some other trick to try to cram it down our throats
couldn't find a prison suit big enough? his food bill would bankrupt any prison he's stuck in?
Rahm is a sick puppy, but that seems to be a requirement in Obamao's administration. He reminds me of the bully who always ran his mouth in a crowd, but when called out, always tucked his sorry ass'd tail and ran. He is a loser. Maybe he is qualified to be mayor of Chitown. Their standards are not that high.
Forget about rules and custom and law. Obama is a radical socialist, as are all the people in his administration and ninety percent of congressional Democrats. They will use all the Rules of Radicals. The end justifies the means.
It's going to be very difficult to undo the damage these socialists will do between now and November 2010, when they lose their operating majority.
I did hear about it and was not surprised considering the source. What does surprise me is the fact they believe they can say and do whatever they want with no repercussions, come November the day of retribution will be here, hopefully we can make it until then.
I agree the first rule of community organizing is to dis organize the community so you can shape into something different…that exactly what BHO is doing to our economy
Give me a few minutes. …looking for clipart.
Curious if what many say that these people are in violation of their oath to the Constitution could that be considered treason? There must be a way to go after these people legally and shut them down, a way to get them like the Justice Dept got Capone, something from 'left field'.. out of the box thinking. Where are the Jim Garrisons of this generation?
Your playing their game… STOP and play your game through Saving the Republic
Bingo!
I'm so angry I could spit nails. Is their a bill or isn't there…who the hell do they think they are and where's the media!!! Why isn't anyone addressing that SELECTED Kirk guy the other 5 SELECTED notwithstanding!!!
Not all of them-Dollar Bill Jefferson. Although I think he's still on the streets. He should have been behind bars a long time ago.
Art. 3 sec 3 US Constitution
"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted."
The main problem is they are not working OVERTLY !!!
One step at a time. At least the train has started to slow a little. But it is still going the wrong way.
Apparently, Pelosi coming out and saying "it looks like we can't pass the bill as it stands" just after Brown's election was just another shell game that the criminals in DC are perpetrating on the American people.
While Obama went on the SOTU and announced the new focus on "jobs" Pelosi and Handsome Harry were locked in their room again.
Today in Nashua, NH, Obama was suddenly talking about health care again. So, while we all watched the Brown election and celebrated the defeat of health care, they went back the the same ol' corrupt backroom dealing.
For you whiners who are blaming Brown for doing "the talk show circuit" – what the heck has Brown got to do with his swearing-in date? He has no power over that decision.
As far as we know!!!! Thats why I am calling out to those in the legal field with the power to investigate to stir the pot and see what happens!
Every time I listen to Rangel, I feel the burning need to go take a shower. This guy is so slimey it makes me gag. Actually, when I see him lecturing to a group of people and waving his mealy little hand around, he reminds me of Don Fanucci walking the streets of the Italian market in the Godfather movie. What a lying, cheating piece of crap this guy is. Why is he still roaming the halls of Washington, instead of sitting his fat, greasy ass on a lounge chair on the beach at one of his island properties he never pays taxes on?
I really am loathe to say this, but our "government" , and by that I mean these incompetent boobs who are playing a game, are stepping WAY over the line. There is no way that the American people are going to take much more of this.
If you spot him enough to take care of the eyebrows, I will donate some money to his opposition in his next election.
Alright….a sloppy quickie, levels are off and no shadow added. Not very good but here it is:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/weweed_up/4325999561...
I agree with you. Maybe he's having Cosmo centerfold flashbacks. I hate shmoozers and I think he needs a few letters sent to him. RINO's are just a tad better than corrupt Libturds.
Government ownership of the human body through health care is a requirement to mandate the chip to be implanted in each individual!!! Electronic health records begin beneath your skin!!!
Where are the GOP on this? Where is the contempt and media coverage?
If this is true, then there will be a revolution for sure. But oh wait, Iran has issued a proclamation and now there is a crisis. "Don't let a good crisis go to waste". Meanwhile the sewer rats are doing what we can't see in their caverns. I swear, I think that Ahmadingaling is in cahoots with the Userper to divert us from issues here.
I had to a bit of resizing, believe me.
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"So, who is telling the truth? Harkin and Rangel or Obama at the GOP Retreat"
Do you expect the truth from any of these morons? I'm
just wishing that the monstrosity of a healthcare bill was
put away in the ash heap of history……
True, Big, some do finally get nailed, but they are the very minor/discardable pols. Rangle isn't at that level.
Old "DOLLAR BILL" got 13 years alst November and IIRC, he is now in jail, but my memory could be incorrect.
It is clear that Obama's "reaching out" to Republicans is such a farce! Obama has had a year to do serious negotiation with them, but he does not negotiate. He just tries to intimidate every one into conforming to his will!
Whoever loses in 2010 for supporting these crappy bills will pull the ripcord on the golden parachute and make a very soft landing on a big pile of cash. A great follow up for BG would be a "Where are they now?" maybe six months after the coming November Beat-Down. Being called Senator or Congressman may be nice, but a lifetime of financial security isn't so bad either.
My, I can't see the bill for the transparency of it all. Stealth governance without once informing the American People. What Obama et al could not get by consent, they would get by subvrting the Democratic process, and going against the will of the American people. All of the lies, propaganda and misinformation by our government failed to convince the American People that this bill was in their best interest. Well it seems they were ready to shove this bill up our intestinal fortitutude. The resemblance between Obama the president and Obama the Dictator grow stronger dever day.
Why indeed. Back room deals mortgaging your children's future.
Remember when Burris got appointed and showed up and refused to leave until he was sworn in? It worked didn't it? If we knew ahead of time (which we did) that they were going to stall, stall, stall Brown … then I would think I would be parked on the steps of the front door forcing them to do what they are sworn to do.
Who here remembers – and I don't remember names without googling – but the MA elections commissioner stating he had no problem going ahead and approving the election within days since it was a clear victory, and even Harry Reid saying he had no problem with seating him within days since it was a clear victory. So where the hell is Scott Brown? We are now 2 weeks – 14 days – after the elections! Ten days was the requirement from what I understood. What the hell is going on??? I keep thinking my disgust has reached its limits, but I am so damn pissed off about this that I could scream – again! WHERE IS SCOTT BROWN!?!?!?!?!? WHY IS KIRK STILL VOTING?!?!?!? WHY AREN'T WE SURROUNDING THIS F'KG CAPITAL BUILDING WITH PITCHFORKS!?!?!?!?! SERIOUSLY!
THIS BULLSHIT MUST STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Because he is a Democrat; not a hard question to answer. They let that Louisana Jeffers server for four years after he was caught with $90K in his freezer in payoffs, undelcared by the way. The media does not require the Democrats to be honest they only seek to destroy Republicans who are crooked and by the way have at it; "Smokem' all out!" as George Will once said.
That's Why We Call Them Taxes.
Oky dokey, for bo and his friends…..game up……….we have taken names, we know how you voted and we know where you live…….
Rangle, a well know liar and crook, lies constantly.
Charlie Rangle is a looser. On another topic, have you all heard about Rahm Emanuel calling the Special Olympics people "F***ing Retards'? Sarah Palin went bllistic and demanded an apology. HE DID……….
I hope your guess is correct. If Charlie forgot the Depends, like he has forgotten financial matters in the past, I really hope he is wearing "tighty whities" because boxers would offer no restraint.
If Charlie cain't afford it, I'd spot him the cash to get his eyebrows trimmed. Good Lord! He'd gum up a weed whacker with that mess.
so somebody was able to find a prion suit big enough….lol
In the words of Dr. Thomas Sowell, "Good-bye".
Rangel knows he has the advantage, the Dems need his vote in the House.
Why is Charles Rangel not in jail? Oh, I forgot, he's a black politician.
Keep it up Dems, just keep it up! You are riding for a fall the likes of which you have NEVER seen before. And if you are dumb enough to try to muscle an election again, you will run into a buzzsaw that will leave you and your marxist members dazed and bleeding on the side of the road. It may be time for another American revolution!
This is why the IRS are buying up shotguns. Watch the other hand boys!! Andy Stern and friends are going to force all parties to agree on this so he can payoff all the retirement checks he owes to his employees. He spent all the retirement funds to get Obama elected now he is getting the favor returned and our kids are going to pay.
It's the Democrats that are fighting the progressives(Marxist) in both parties! This is scary stuff! The Republicans are not even reverent! America is in the throws of a Marxist takeover led by the 60's weathermen party led by two white guys, remember? Charles Manson took off on them.
These demented DemocRATS are in for the fight of their corrupt, pathetic little lives if they think they can cram this garbage down our throats by using trickery and smelly, dirty tactics. These ignorant morons will be in the wilderness for the next 40 years!! The Tsunami is coming………………….