Sen. Harkin Contradicts Obama, Says Final Healthcare Deal Done BEFORE the MA Election
by SusanAnne HillerThe Hill is reporting that Senator Tom Harkin, chairman of the Senate Health Committee, stated that negotiators from the White House, Senate and House reached a final deal on healthcare reform days before Scott Brown’s win in Massachusetts.
From the article:
Labor leaders had announced an agreement with White House and congressional representatives over an excise tax on high-cost insurance plans on the Thursday before the special election.
Harkin said “we had an agreement, with the House, the White House and the Senate. We sent it to [the Congressional Budget Office] to get scored and then Tuesday happened and we didn’t get it back.” He said negotiators had an agreement in hand on Friday, Jan. 15.
Harkin made clear that negotiators had reached a final deal on the entire bill, not just the excise plans, which had been reported the previous day, Jan. 14.
Harkin said the deal covered the prescription-drug “donut hole,” the level of federal insurance subsidies, national insurance exchanges and federal Medicaid assistance to states.
This cannot be right.
If Harkin is telling the truth, then that would mean President Obama is lying because at the GOP retreat, Obama stated that there were some “stray cats and dogs” in the legislation. This quote from Obama at the retreat:
“The last thing I will say, though — let me say this about health care and the health care debate, because I think it also bears on a whole lot of other issues. If you look at the package that we’ve presented — and there’s some stray cats and dogs that got in there that we were eliminating, we were in the process of eliminating. For example, we said from the start that it was going to be important for us to be consistent in saying to people if you can have your — if you want to keep the health insurance you got, you can keep it, that you’re not going to have anybody getting in between you and your doctor in your decision making. And I think that some of the provisions that got snuck in might have violated that pledge.”
So which is it? Was the health bill done as Harkin states? Or, were Obama and congressional leaders still trying to capture those stray cats and dogs? If the healthcare bill was sent to the CBO as Harkin confirms, then where’s the score? Was it withdrawn from the CBO due to the MA election?
These are just some of the questions that we will follow up.
Someone is clearly lying, stretching the truth, pandering to the GOP, whatever you want to call it. However, it appears that the White House was trying to jam through the healthcare bill before the MA election, but the CBO could not score it fast enough.
Let’s just hope the Republicans in Congress see the same tom-foolery that the American people see.
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Tom Harkin wouldn't lie, would he?
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No doubt Harkin would lie standing firmly on the ground. However, Obamao insists on climbing trees to tell lies.
Also, check out a new toy I found, credit to someone on one of the other threads.
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6039781/
It is my first attempt at something like this, but I think it can be fun in certain circumstances. Let me know what you think.
Naw, Harkin wouldn't lie. He's one or those honest marxists.
Haha Haha thanks for the link, I needed a laugh.
It's hard to keep your stories straight when you're running a corruptocracy. Watch for the next great idea, teleprompters for everybody supplied and preprogrammed by the white house.
Obama the deceiver has a new strategy for catching the sympathies of the public. Instead of outright killing or maiming his prey, he has decided to lure the prey with sweet bait of rhetoric, then kill it. What a delightful sport.
This bi-partisan crap is exactly that: crap and smoky mirrors. He needs Olympia Snowe and others in the GOP to step up to the plate and they will fall for it. If Harkin is telling the truth, then this sham should be exposed by the GOP. Except they are all such huge liars that we will never know what is happening for the next 3 years.
We need to take this country back in November or else this great US of A will be nothing but a bankrupt haven for the illegals and jihadists.
I think it was a done deal…Do you think for a minute that BHO really cares if you like it or not…no ram it down your throat..The people in washington know what is best…for the rest of us…
Is it any wonder that most of the world hates this country. I mean even we the people cannot for one stinking moment trust anyone anywhere in anyway inside our own government. The only answer is to purge the majority who currently hold office. How we are able to decide the few percent worthy of being kept is another question.
Why is this a story?
Everyone is now focused on college football now. Catch up folks. Nothing to see here.
Combat pilot ace over NVN. Oh……He wasn't?………………………………………Never mind! hehe, REV Wright
They all lie….time to take back power from them ALL……
Harkin: Combat ace in Viet Nam………………………..Oh? He wasn't? He made that up? "Never mind" [Rosanne Rosanadana]
Tom Harkin a reliable Marxist tool!
Get rid of these fools.
What is this all about, is this a racial thing? if Mr Obama were white would we be marching on the white house.don't call me a racist I'm probably Obamas cousin.
"Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest (For Brutus is an honorable man; So are they all honorable men), Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral." -Mark Anthony
Are they not all "honorable" men?
Just tell us the TRUTH on every issue…we can handle it!
I don't think Obama wants the health care bill to actually reach him. He is only interested in getting the credit for trying and then demonizing the people who opposed it. It is kind of like the war on poverty. If you solve the problem of poverty then you might reduce the number of people with their hands out. You do that and you will lose votes for the poeple redistributing the wealth. Nelson said he never asked for the "Cornhusker Kickback", that it was just there with the language he wanted on abortion. Was this an attempt by Rahm to sabotage the bill? Obama's little "Oh S#!t, I never thought it would get this far" moment when he realized to keep a campaign promise to not increase the deficit would mean vetoing the bill.
I saw that little story….so how with the 300 million in this country what are the odds that all those former presidents and dear leader are even remotely related???….hmmmm…ok tine foil hat off now…
"Tom-foolery"?
Please let's dispense with the niceties. These people are lying commie bastards that will stop at nothing short of "owning" every one of our lives…
We cpuld, but they can't. They would be run out of town if not the country.
HARKIN IS A WRECKLESS IDEOLOGUE, I DONT BELIEVE HE HAS ONE BIT OF RESPECT FOR WE THE PEOPLE. HE MUST BE A PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL. HIS ONLY CONSIDERATION IS HIMSELF, HE IS ON THE DARK SIDE.
Tom Harkin–and every other Progressive Leftist, specifically ObowMao–would climb a flagpole to tell you a lie rather than stand flat footed on the ground and tell you the truth.
To make your long story short…YES, Obama LIES…And,
I would dare to say, about everything!!
Could Ear Leader and his circus troupe look more incompetent? How did this happen to us?
Recommended quick read: http://www.redstate.com/towdogincal/2010/01/29/at...
"If you're in, you're out…in 2010."
Right. They say anything they want. None of it can be believed and little of it ever makes common sense. You can however understand most of it from the standpoint of corruption.
the only honest Marxist is a Dead Marxist
You're talking about politicians here. When they say something, without a doubt it falls under one of the following multiple-choice answers:
A – lying
B – stretching the truth
C – pandering
D – all of the above
"I'm probably Obamas cousin"
I feel so sorry for you ! But not for what you will undoubtedly think.
Uhhh…errh…..Let me be perfectly clear here…..ahmm….. I totally agree!
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
Is there some dream world where Harkin thinks that he can get the dem's to vote for some healthcare bill that was alledgedly agreed to before Brown is seated by claiming it was done before the Mass election?
Is Harkin trying to spin not passing an absurd healthcare bill on a lack of Republican support while holding the largest majorities for one political party in decades?
Too bad for him that in order to make either arguement logical, someone has to have lied.
Obama must control Amerikan football
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/6040259/
Without the teleprompter, THE ONE, has to depend on the microchip in his head to feed him the right answers. Apparently, it was picking up static on Friday.
I'd rather run them all off the planet like permanently!!!
Which of the liars in telling the truth?
No, you misunderstand. The far left has been trying to accomplish this for well over 50 years. They want the power that comes with the money. They, and everyone else knows that this program will not increase the level of care it will drastically reduce it; do you think they care about the people? That is foolish, they care only about power which is the reason they lie with such wanton.
This is not about poverty or the people and never has been. This is about power.
Fw:
" Always tell the truth. That way, you don't have to remember what you said. "
~ Mark Twain ~
The truth is one thing, a lie is everything else. I guess that's why it seems to be so rare.
or some very good mushrooms
College football? Really? You know so much, we must believe…
Barry Obaomao can't tell a truth unless talking to his peers.
I don't know about that . . . I think the two teleprompters disagree sometimes.
We are bankrupt…I can't understand how we can be the richest
country in the world when we owe 3rd world countries money…
The illegals and Jihadists are already on the brink of taking
over….It's a frightening time for us that knew freedom…and
recognize that the few freedoms we have left are slowly being
taken from us……
Dems are trying to fool us and failed. We knew that they wouldn't let the Obamacare off the hook just because Brown got elected.
Idiots.
The only time a marxist tells the truth is when you smack them on the side of the head and they say ouch.
Barry Obaomao can't tell a truth
unless talking to his peers.There. Fixed that for 'ya.
That is an interesting definition of 'negotiations.' Three people from one side discussing how to divide the other side's property…..
When a liar tells a lie about a liar is it the truth?
It was another sad day when NO-Brain-Obama told NASA stop planning on going to the moon.
He must want China to control the Moon too.
"Someone is lying?" Yes, all of them. That's what they do.
Susan, who cares? Another partisan blog brought to you buy BigGov.com
Why don't you explore the defense budget and see if you can ferret out any waste in that big slice of the pie? I am still waiting for someone on this site to tackle that big part of big government.
Obama wouldn't lie, would he, either? LOL – take your pick:)
AND ALL THE PEOPLE SAT BACK AND SAID HMMMMM
Isn't Harkin the one who claimed that ferrying aircraft during the Vietnam (?) war was combat experience? I wouldn't trust him to renew my driver's license.
This freakin' so called Healthcare Bill is like one of those zombies in that movie where the zombies keep coming at you, (can't think of the name of it)?!?! Somebody drive a stake through the damned thing will you, (vampires, zombies, whatever), kill this monstrosity!!
" Is it any wonder that most of the world hates this country."
Don't buy into it. This is just another of the progressives' great lies perpetrated on the masses by the elites. They have infiltrated every facet of society throughout most of the world and a main goal was to turn opinions against us, then get us to doubt ourselves. The recent elections in Europe (and Canada) dispelled this accepted promulgation.
If the U.S. were to announce that for one year our borders would be opened to all who wish to come(even excluding those who wish us harm or who are looking for hand outs), every plane and ship would be booked solid. If "most of the world hates this country", it is not as straightforward as the leftist progressives would have us believe.
A large part of the world still sees us, the U.S., as "that shining city on a hill".
touche
The with that is that he thinks he has none.
Therein is the problem with lies, when one tells one, he must remember that one before he makes up the next one.
I think this is interesting:
The FBI defines terrorism as:
The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.
Harkin is off the obama kwanzaa list
So true, nice edit.
You're a racist.
Misstating facts
Progressives have to lie because it's in their party platform!
On January 20th, there was a lot of done deals that had to be reopened
there was a lot of articles and speeches (i.e., SOTU) that had to be rewritten.
This is one time I think these Dem. boys are telling the truth.
Tommy: we HAD a done deal (now with this Scotty fella maybe not)
Obama: Now I have to admit there are few stray cats and dogs (which he knew about) because of this Scotty fella.
And thats the truth
Democrats conceal health care bill so Americans will not know it is actually a “Socialist Takeover of America” bill
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.Hiding
health bills
_.behind
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___January 5th, 2009
by Washington Times Staff
WASHINGTONTIMES.COM
Hiding health bills behind closed doors
It may be a new year,
but congressional Democrats
are planning the same old sorts
of sleazy tactics in their bid to
take over America’s health
care system.
Instead,
the process has been secretive
and sordid throughout.
The House passed its version
of the bill on a Saturday night.
The Senate held its key
procedural vote at 1 in the
morning,
and then provided a lump of
coal in our stockings by forcing
full passage of its bill on
Christmas Eve.
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The House leadership banned
consideration of all but one
amendment not offered by
leadership itself –
forbidding debate on more
than 150 of them –
then provided just 24 hours
for members to study the
bill’s final text.
The Senate leadership inserted
so many tawdry last-minute
items that analysts are still
finding jokers in the deck
11 days later.
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.
All these shenanigans have
driven approval for the
government health care bills
even lower in public polls than
the strong majorities that already
opposed them a month ago.
Yet that hasn’t fazed
congressional leaders.
Now comes word from multiple
sources that not only will Congress
refuse to televise the usual
Conference Committee to reconcile
the two chambers’ versions
of the bill,
but it won’t allow a formal
conference at all.
Instead, a chosen few negotiators
will concoct the final version
out of sight,
without formal rules governing
the process and without a single
Republican at the table.
If congressional leaders do
not abide this simple request,
Republicans should bring the
whole Senate to a halt. Senate
rules provide for so many
procedural obstacles,
if a determined minority wants
to exercise them, that the entire
body could be tied up in knots
for weeks on end.
In the name of open and
accountable government,
that’s what senators should
do if the public interest
continues to be trampled.
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Just a suggestion but… we can read what you write without you taking up an entire page.
I am absolutely disgusted with the filth that call themselves democrats. If there are any honest ones left in that party I suggest they distance themselves from their lying, dishonest brethren.
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They accuse eachother of lying. ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
Harken trying to give the impression that it was inevitable when it wasn't. This is what Pelosi and reid did and it was clearly nonsense then as it is now. Oh, the liberal loons wil lbelieve it, they believe any nonsense from their leaders, no matter how absurd. The rest of us know a walking, talking pile of manure when we see it and Tom is it
Democrats and Obama– the gang that couldn't shoot straight
Why can you not EVAH write on topic?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
Perhaps Maobama should be investigated by the FBI.
BHO is the most dishonest person I've ever seen. Didn't we just hear from a Democrat that BHO is quote "fundamentally dishonest". Obviously he has mental problems and he's not fit to serve. Unfortunately he has become our national disgrace. To put it more bluntly he is a LIAR.
Nah, Victor, I've marched on the WH before. Believe me, it sure isn't racial, it's anger and loss of trust in the administration (particularly asshats like Emmanuel and Axelrod). It's called push back.
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That is two terrific stories in a row from you, SusanAnne Hiller. I think I'm falling for you,.
Harkin? Scumbag liar. His lies about his service were even bigger than Kerry's:
http://www.pajamasmedia.com/instapundit-archive/a...
Imagine being a cop trying to solve a murder, and your witnesses are Bill Clinton, John Kerry, Tom Harkin, and Barry Obama. Over the course of eight hours, I wonder how many different stories you'd hear?
Don't worry, though, tomorrow Patrick Leahy will solve the mystery! Oh wait… Uh, Jim McDermott? No, hmmm, maybe Barney Frank can shed some light… Perhaps Chris Dodd will… We'll get a statement from John Murtha about this… Arrrrgh! Is there anyone in the Democrat party who EVER tells the truth???
The ONE function of government mentioned in the Constitution–to provide for the common defense–is the one the libtards always want to cut. Presumably so that the common defense can be redistributed to their personal 'general welfare.'
If anything, the defense budget should be increased, particularly if it would mean those unconstitutional provisions–the energy dept, HUD, dept of education, Fannie and Freddie, Acorn, Health and Human Services, TSA, to name but a few–would be eliminated in favor of Constituional government.
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"Harkin makes you wonder what kind of people live in Iowa, "Children of the Corn"?
Lies, lies, and more lies.
For well over a year, Obama, Pelosi, and Reid spewed inumerable lies about every aspect of every issue of public importance. The hostile takeover of health care is the current stage for their lack of integrity, deliberate misdirection, and total lack of veracity.
The next act will be the total asininity of cap-and-trade for saving the world from man-made global warming (AGW). Any politician who utters a single word in belief of AGW must be called out for his/her moral bankruptcy, abject corruption, and assassin of American jobs and financial well-being:
UN Climate Change Panel Based Claims on Student Dissertation and Magazine Article —
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/clim...
Both the master's dissertation and the magazine article were based on sketchy anecdotes — just like the Democrats' fabricated health care "crisis."
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Well, if they cut the defense budget, JohnnyKnoxs, I hope they don't cut the 2,000 lb. JDAM intended for your house at 3 AM. Only a dushhh would think the health care hostile takeover is anything but organized terrorism.
There is clearly a constant stream of disinformation and propaganda directed by our elected representatives against We The American People, lie after lie being here exposed right here on Biggovernment.com. There is a massive, festering corrupting of our political process, from the top down.
The president and his democratic cronies are now all stuck to that toxic tarbaby known as Obamacare. It actually passed in secret, by the democrats, by stealth, by deception, by hiding it from the American People, it passed?
My God!!, Even after all of the opposition from the American People, it passed??
What a betrayal of our democracy, by the president and the democrats.
Mr. Obama and the democrats, now AKA the Tarbaby Party, had only one hope of extricating themselves from this betrayal, and that is if the Republicans would only join him. How absoultely cynical.
There is no one now who can save what is left of the presidents torn and shredded political bacon. He now reveals himself as an ideologue who has lost the power of persuasion.
NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD.
Tom Harkin lies that we all know. He lives in the Bahamas and graces Iowa with his presence only when he needs our vote! He took no townhalls on healthcare! he only gets elected because of the eastern Iowa University cities!
But Harkin is a rank amateur compared to Pinnochio Hussein Obama!
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Niether would NO-Bama.
You really don't know who to believe anymore…..very very sad what our Govt. has become.
Now that really is transparency ! Would they really have it finished and not tell us? I think Harkin got some bad mushrooms. Congress knows this would be the nail in their coffin.
Excellent article. Ok, let's see here………Uhhh, errh, ahmm, so BHO was lying from the start about everyone maintaining a choice in keeping your original health insurance, then he was lying about the actual complete legislation not being in a finished state.Well then, was he lying about lying? Or just telling 2 seperate, but equal lies. Or was he lying about not lying when he was caught lying?Or was he lying to cover another lie? Or was he…………. stop! I'm so confused!
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Hanzo
I was in VN when the "Ace" was there and I remember when he finally confessed that he was a lying asshole. What is wrong with the people in Iowa? At what point did they decide that he was now telling the truth? We all lie about little things like "How's my new hairdo look Honey". But when you make up a combat scenario to make yourself look more important, is there a line for him or the people of Iowa to draw?
Start messin' with Texas and y'all know everything is BIG in Texas! If it's a fight they want, so be it…
Obama and Harkin are probrably both lying…I
think Democrats compete with each other to
see who could fool and lie to the people the most!!
I think he has his eye on the larger prize and that involves creating as many people relying on government for their existance and the creating the devil out of the people who have the gaul to rein in government spending. I could see this happening after his one term ab=nd Obamao taking up community organizing again. I think he may have come to the realization if he throws these people a crumb it may delay the overall goal. Tin foil hat please.
harken – another REMF
welcome to OBAMALAND
but, its all Bush's fault – as obozo, he will tell ya
harkin's lips were moving and as he and obozo have proven in the past – if harken/obozo's lips are moving, they are lying, lying, lying
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