Why Is Senator Kirk Still Voting on Legislation?
by SusanAnne HillerThe Senate has voted on three pieces of legislation today that required 60 votes–to raise the debt ceiling to $14.3 trillion, to reduce the deficit by establishing five-year discretionary spending caps, and Ben Bernanke’s confirmation–all of which interim Senator Paul Kirk (D-MA) has voted on. In addition, there have been other Senate votes since Scott Brown was elected as Massachusetts senator that Kirk cast a vote.
The main question here is: why is former Senator Kirk still voting on these legislative pieces? According to Senate rules and precedent, Kirk’s term expired last Tuesday upon the election of Scott Brown. Furthermore, Massachusetts law can be interpreted, according to GOP lawyers, as:
Based on Massachusetts law, Senate precedent, and the U.S. Constitution, Republican attorneys said Kirk will no longer be a senator after election day, period. Brown meets the age, citizenship, and residency requirements in the Constitution to qualify for the Senate. “Qualification” does not require state “certification,” the lawyers said.
Additionally, as reported in the Weekly Standard and investigated and confirmed by GOP lawyers:
Appointed Senator Paul Kirk will lose his vote in the Senate after Tuesday’s election in Massachusetts of a new senator and cannot be the 60th vote for Democratic health care legislation, according to Republican attorneys.
Using this interpretation, Kirk cannot vote on any other legislation. Moreover, further analysis by Michael Stern concludes:
The Senate subcommittee and committee concluded, based on its hearing and review, that “the term of service of a Senator appointed to fill a vacancy in an unexpired term ends on the day when his successor is elected by the people.” 1939 Congressional Record, p. 998. There was evidently no controversy among either the subcommittee or full committee regarding this legal conclusion, and the committee then presented a resolution to the Senate for adoption, expressing the view that Berry’s term of service expired on November 8, 1938, the date of the special election. As Senator Connally, a member of the subcommittee, explained to the Senate, the fact that the Tennessee statute purported to extend Berry’s term until the qualification of his successor was of no force because the statute was “plainly in conflict with the provisions of the seventeenth amendment.” Accordingly, the Senate adopted the proposed resolution without dissent. 1939 Congressional Record, p. 1058.
Based on this authority, it would appear that a valid point of order could be raised as to Senator Kirk’s participation in Senate proceedings after January 19, 2010.
Why is the GOP allowing the Democrats to blatantly violate Senate and election rules and laws? Where is the GOP leadership? Will Kirk’s votes stand? Massachusetts voters deserve an explanation as does the rest of the country for this blatant abuse of power.
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I was wondering that myself today.
It better not continue.
Lets recall those votes…
Republican leadership=non compos mentis
The Republicans do not care. I emailed my Senators yesterday and it fell on deaf ears. They are to busy doing nothing! I'm saddened at the lack of spine within my party.
The left has no ethics…..what a surprise!
Well if Republicans don't contest this, shame on us.
They have no idea of just what is coming…I just hope that it will not require lead in the air.
Keep it up GOP! You are simply confirming our concerns that career politics is NOT the right foundation … it gets to your head and becomes more about continuing to secure your seat of power instead of what is in the best interest of your state constituency first and the country second … as for you? YOU ARE THERE TO SERVE; something the lot of you have forgotten!
If this precedent is allowed to stand radicals in the Democratic majority can continue to delay the seating of Scott Brown and push through anything their heart desire's including Obamacare. I do not know how disputes of this nature are handled, but something must be done to stop these illegal acts. I think the only solutions is a lawsuit in federal court.
What we need is a march on congress. 10, 000 patriots should have a congressional "sit in" and provide a teaching moment about not fuc*ing with our Constitution. Every one of those demoncratic bastards should be tarred and feathered.
I wonder if the Republican leadership is looking ahead to when they have the majority, and allowing a precedent to be set? I also look forward to that day, but that is a piss-poor reason to allow the law of the land to be ignored. That sets an even bigger, and more dangerous precedent!
I am coming around to the "nuke all incumbents" point of view. As they say, these people apparently could not figure out how to pour piss out of a boot, if the instructions were written on the sole!
and the right* has no balls. come to think of it, the country would be better off if that were the other way around…
*our congressmen, anyway.
Scott Brown needs to fight for his vote to be heard !!! The votes that have been cast so far since the election should be vetoed and re-voted on.. Sadly the only thing I heard today on FNC is they passed the bill 60/40 with no mention of the non senator voting !! I do wonder if the only thing that will stop this is for a few thousand or a few million Americans surrounding the capital and not letting anyone in or out until they see the light and remember who they are there to serve..
Thank you for this piece. I've spent the past few hours tearing my hair out over the debt ceiling vote. The Republicans had a REAL chance today to curtail all this spending by refusing to raise the debt limit.
I am now more convinced than ever that ALL of these politicians have to go.
Where the hell was so-called conservative Senator DeMint today with a point of order on this?
Simple solution………Senate leaders should repeal any vote that Kirk made after his term expired and allow Sen Brown to cast a new vote……….Bwahahaha,,,,,,,,I made a funny………..Welcome to the Chicago way America…Enjoy!
me too…"go along to get along" …not a good strategy.
Why isn't Scott Brown raising hell about this?
Why indeed?
Back room deal making mortgaging your and your childrens futures.
Looters all of you, we are coming for your seats.
Five observations from last night's speech:
I don't fake outrage. I observe things and then make certain judgments based on what I see. Here's my reaction.
1) I don't care, you are the president, and you are the executive branch. You do not, ever, call out the Supreme Court of the United States in front of the other branch of government.
2) Lecturing Republicans was the wrong way to go, and George Bush is evil, I got it… I heard this in 2008. I'm sort of over it.
3) Nice to hear that he is willing to discuss nuclear energy and domestic drilling, but this is all a ruse… and here is why.They can talk about nuclear and oil, but we know that the EPA can stop development at any time, espeically under the new regulations… and that Sierra Club will block development in court and hold up projects infinitely. This is what made Lindsay Graham look so bad when he reached across the aisle. Republicans need to demand language that prevents useless lawsuits and see if the Democrats block it. If they do, you'll see that this was all talk.
4) You cannot, cannot CANNOT, say that we are going to double exports and then demand economic and energy policies that will make that goal impossible. Cap and trade, EFCA and the healthcare bill will not make this possible. You need to address corporate taxation, lending practices, the need to eliminate subsidies, unionization issues and the water laws of California if you are serious. If you look at what the EPA is doing to the strawberry and olive trade in California, you would know that we are now going to go from an exporter of these goods to an importer because we are so very concerned about a bait fish. The Southern California farm trade is being destroyed by liberal environmentalist policies. Environmental policies that put fish over man do not accomodate expansion of exports. And, I hate to break it to people, but we are never going to be the largest exporter of Windmills.
5) He repeated about 10 campaign promises and demands of things that he himself have broken on a regular basis in the past year… Lobbyists, earmarks, transparency are the three big ones. I don't think that people are fooled anymore, and even the AP came out this morning and showed "Obama's view" and "Reality"
I thought it was a mediocre speech, and that is saying something considering that I respect the presidency and give him a lot of rope. I'm tired of words. I'm tired of promises. I'm tired of blame… But what can you do when the GOP is puttering along like clowns as well.
If the GOP had a great speechwriter and someone who could talk on the fly, they could have really hammered him and showed his empty rhetoric last night. Start with the exports issue first, since this is the easiest one to address.
"The president took a significant step in the right direction tonight, stating that we need to increase manufacturing, but Mister Obama needs to understand that the United States is not able to compete because of antiquated tax laws that are not enabling us in today's globalized economy." Discuss the fact that 40 percent corporate taxes are the highest in the world and make it an unfriendly business environment.
Then talk about how cap and trade, health care and EFCA are all unfriendly to business, especially to manufacturing… will lead to more outsourcing and layoffs and then amke it virtually impossible to reach that ambitious goal.
And then just hammer on jobs and centralized planning. Public sector making so much money vs. Private sector failing. Use history as a guide.
Then… address the hypocrisy… Republicans are catering to special interests? They are being given money by the banks and corporations? What about the Democrat healthcare bill? What about the 14 million that Wall Street gave Mr. Obama during the election? A populist vernacular coming from a corporatist President is a great act, but once again he is failing to live up to the standards that he wishes to impose on everyone else.
Seriously…Where the hell is the GOP and how is this so difficult? This was on my mind the entire speech and I feel like they are afraid to go on the offensive.
The minority is supposed to be on the attack… The minority wants to give ideas and to help the country. For as many times as McDonnell referenced Thomas Jefferson, how does he miss:
"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression.
The measures are not reasonable now, so the minority should be diligent.
This is why I am not a Republican, because they have no teeth… They just sat there last night and agreed that America is great and puppies and rainbows are things they too can get behind.
Someone help me out here !! The US Constitution Sates >> All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives<< So how can the Senate create a bill to raise revenue ( From what I heard today ) the house still needs to vote on this bill..
I just emailed both of my Republican senators asking them to please stand up for the voters of Massachusetts, the American people and the rule of law and stop this blatant disregard of the rules of the Senate and the election laws of Massachusetts.
Here is what scott Brown is up to instead of pushing to be seated. I campaigned and voted for him along with many people I convinced to vote for him also. I am beginning to wonder if I have been duped yet again. This is an article from todays Boston Herald. For cripes sake he isn't even down there yet, letting a lame duck empty suit vote for stuff that I certainly don't believe in and thought Brown didn't believe in. He doesn't seem to care. I thought I voted for someone that was going to fight for us, evidently not. I appreciate his independent thinking but he is going down with some kind of chip on his shoulder against Republicans which is his party affiliation. I guess he has Obama-idis. He is going on Leno tonight.
The slime ball was not put in office by the voters of Mass. he was a sneaky appointment job.
“If that happens I’ll be very public about it and I think it will upset the populace,” he said.
Brown even lampooned his fellow Republicans at the State of the Union address for not clapping during more of the president’s speech.
“That’s typical, that’s typical stuff. I would have stood up for probably more things than the Republicans did,” said Brown.
but said Republicans looking for an automatic vote against the Democrats should look elsewhere.
“I’m going to look at each issue, I’ve already made my intentions very, very clear,” Brown said. “I don’t owe anybody anything. There will be times when I will be with the leadership and there’ll be times when I won’t.”
Brown, who said he’s focused on getting sworn in by Feb. 11, also said it’s unlikely that he’ll help the many mid-term Republican candidates who have approached him due to his national appeal.
“A lot of people have approached me, but I told them, ‘Listen, with all due respect I don’t know you. I need to learn, we need to have a cup of coffee.’ I know people are trying to latch on to the popularity and notoriety, but I need to do my job first,’ ” Brown said. “On the scale of 1 to 10 it’s like a 20. It’s not even on my radar screen. … I’m going to be very particular as to who I help.”
i was also thinking how can that be, but then i remembered being a democrat means never having to apologize, or have any morals. also when i max out my credit, i wish i could call up my bank and say, hey mr. big bank up my credit limit. who cares how or if i ever pay off the credit card, as long as i can just keep calling the bank when i reach the next arbitrary credit limit? wow i could be just like the house and senate, i would have a rolls in every color, and a house in every state, it would be so cool.
There are many people who discount Governor Sarah Palin but here is her response to the SOTU:
While I don’t wish to speak too harshly about President Obama’s state of the union address, we live in challenging times that call for candor. I call them as I see them, and I hope my frank assessment will be taken as an honest effort to move this conversation forward.
Last night, the president spoke of the “credibility gap” between the public’s expectations of their leaders and what those leaders actually deliver. “Credibility gap” is a good way to describe the chasm between rhetoric and reality in the president’s address. The contradictions seemed endless.
He called for Democrats and Republicans to “work through our differences,” but last year he dismissed any notion of bipartisanship when he smugly told Republicans, “I won.”
He talked like a Washington “outsider,” but he runs Washington! He’s had everything any president could ask for – an overwhelming majority in Congress and a fawning press corps that feels tingles every time he speaks. There was nothing preventing him from pursuing “common sense” solutions all along. He didn’t pursue them because they weren’t his priorities, and he spent his speech blaming Republicans for the problems caused by his own policies.
The rest can be found at the following link: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=27183656...
All I have to say is Bravo!
NEITHER SIDE HAS ANY ETHICS!!!!!
I wonder if this isn't a preview of what to expect in November????
not exactly sure what your reply has to do with this douche voting when he should not.
Your point of view is clearly understood and endorsed by this patriot. They all must go…
they should be slapping the dems on the ballsack! I dont care if they are looking to the future! I hope neither side ever has a super majority, all it does is empower crooked polititions who ignore the people and spend our money.
Will be interesting to hear their response. Hope you get one. I know Cornyn from Texas never answered one of my questions.
I'm thinking the Republican aren't complaining because they had rather allow the Democrats to totally own these bills. Still, they should raise their voices over this. And why hasn't Brown been seated, why should that take so long?
Or what?
I agree with you. You crafted this comment very well. I just compared Obama's policies with that of California, he is following their script for disaster.
Productive people are leaveing California in droves, the business "climate" is stiffling jobs and companies to Nevada and Arizona. The idiots in Oregon JUST did the same thing California has been doing, raising taxes on "rich people" and companies, end results be damned.
You are totally on point about the Seirra Club and their drive to "green" us whether it makes sense or not, and with the irresponsible use of courts as mechanisms for "change", even if it's wrong.
He needs to stay the hell away from the R Senator from Arizona. I refuse to type his name!!!
Exactly. The ol' Left-Right shell game. What we need are those who put this country and its citizens FIRST. The people selling out this country aren't even bothering to hide much – they know nothing will happen. Geithner, Bernanke, Madoff, Bush and Carlyle and their wars for profit and Israel, the list goes on.
The GOP has enough Donkeys-In-Elephant-Suits in the Senate who want the Dems to be able to pass their agenda but do not want to go on record as being in favor. THAT is the primary problem with November 2010. Will there REALLY be any GOP candidates? Or will they all be on their knees looking for their chance to brew some black tea? Mmm, mmm, mmm!
The GOP has enough Donkeys-In-Elephant-Suits in the Senate who want the Dems to be able to pass their agenda but do not want to go on record as being in favor. THAT is the primary problem with November 2010. Will there REALLY be any GOP candidates? Or will they all be on their knees looking for their chance to brew some black tea? Mmm, mmm, mmm!
You are psychotic Fonz…time for your Abilify!
heh, they can pass all the crap bills they want depriving Brown of the vote but if they touched health care repubs would be all sorts of bent, psssh spineless and weak.
The Republican leadership needs to get on this or their heads will roll also come november!!!
The GOP is waiting on We the People and Fox News to force them to take action. They are, by and large, lazy and spoiled. They have had a free ride for way too long. I'm sure with all the eyes laser focused on them they are working harder than they ever intended to. They need to hear loud and clear that we will NOT continue "reminding" them of what they were elected to do. I know we need to stay informed and continue to be be diligent, but this has become like bugging teenagers to do the dirty dishes.
Im wondering if the Rino hoard felt they needed these bills passed and Bernake's reappointment on Democratic watch that way they can spend the money and not have to own up to it. Midterms need to be a jackass and Rino hunt.
On top of this, didn't Reid announce that there would be no votes until Brown was seated? GOP… get out there and fight for us. Do not let this stand.
By not opposing the vote of this non-Senator they are approving the Bill they are able to stop.
Everyone should know by now that LAWS, REGULATIONS and RULES do not apply to DEMOCRATS/STATISTS. They either do not abide by them or will change them to suit their NEEDS.
good article! it let me know more.
GOP is asleep at the wheel. The do not seem to understand that they must serve us or get the hell out of the way…
Could it be providing cover for the Republicans by allowing Kirk to remain seated for the debt increase of $290B?
Let me tell you, at the end of the day, the (R) & (D) Congresscritters have far more in common with each and they are one another's social circle. I'm sure Mitch McConnell attended Harry Reid's son's wedding. Nancy Pelosi probably invited Mr. & Mrs. John Boehner over to her private compound in Hawaii last Christmas and and all this back and forth is nothing more than theatre to keep We the People distracted from what's really going on. Their fortunes are tied to one another and not to us. PERIOD.
Episode of Frontline this week was on credit card abuses and the Senate Banking Committee Chair, Chris Dodd. (In the end, the limits placed on credit card companies were very weak and don't amount to a hill of beans for consumers.) The interviewer pointed out to Dodd that the credit card lobby had donated over $30M to the campaigns of all committee members (Rs & Ds).Dodd got $7M from them. He laughed that they didn't get very much for their money because he did legislate (weakly) against them. But the real money contributed? Oh…that is sitting in an off shore bank account, a hooker provided…you get the picture.
Don't let the Rs fool you, they are just as dirty and corrupt. Vote them all out. Our mantra should be "If you're in…you're out in 2010".
good blog!we know that it is not easy.
You didn't watch Governor McDonnell,did you ?
He was great and THE best rebuttal ever given by a member of either party; bar none.
Some of the GOPers have "teeth", but what do you expect them to do, when they arfe so outnumbered in both Houses? Miracle of miracles, the leaders have managed to do the almost impossible and have kept all members voting NO, since the PORKULUS debacle and the one vote to bring ObamaCare to the floor in the House.
Agreed. Vote them all out. I just watched Brown on Leno. Everything is fun and games with these politicians. I pray I am wrong. I believe Brown is the Real Deal but articles in the local Boston paper's quoting him on various things has me very concerned. I one of the few (R) in Mass so I didn't have to many options. I guess he was able to kill the Heathcare bill in its current form without being in DC. Yet this vote to increase the debt ceiling is estimated to cost every American $45,000. Un believable.
Not enough people.
If 10 lefties rally, the news is all over it.
If more than a million righties do, it is either completely ignored, or made tro appear 1) much smaller 2) irrelevant.
Because it's still the GOP until the ones in the party now are kicked out. It seems to me all of these congressmen are just playing games, they don't take the citizens seriously.
How? How, PL, were the GOPers supposed to stop this?
Do any of you complainers have even the slightest idea how our government works; well, do you ?
I'm with you Mjd, it did not go unnoticed how many of the RINO's were on board last night to the side show of lie after lie, delivered by a president that say I instead of we. Everyone questions if he will ever 'get it', I say nope, he doesn't even hear it, it's all white noise to him, he has an agenda clear as day to anyone really hearing what he is saying – which btw, is all of us on this site. We the people – so simple isn't it! We will vote, in mass numbers I'm sure.
I think he should rethink his "I don't owe anyone" thought, he surely owes the voters who put him in "The People's Seat."
Absolutley. He has been in to long and is nothing but a Rhino. But according to sources he will be campaigning for him. I belive there is a real conservative running against him in Hayworth a supposed Scott Brown type I am hoping Brown in not in the same mold as that guy we won't mention. One of Brown's belief I thought was term limits.
Busy being on the Jay Leno Show, I suspect…
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/01/28/senato...
The statists keep talking about "fairness" how fair is it to take money I've earned, then give it to someone who has not earned it, because that someone whines about how "unfair" life is to them.
That's not fair to me now is it?
Ragnar to Hank Rearden when he stops him on the road.
"Who is the most evil man?"
Answer: Robin Hood-but you already knew that did'nt you?
Take care
SO WHY ISN'T JOHN MCCAIN GETTING ALL MAVERICKY AND STEPPING UP TO TAKE ISSUE WITH THIS? This is, afterall, an election year for him, so he's been busy trying to look effective. C'mon, McCain, do that thing you do, you know, all that huffing and puffing blowhard stuff you do. Sarah Palin, go light a fire under his old butt.
Bleh talk is cheap, it's his seat, watch the hands carefully, the mouth will lead you astray.
I'll bring the tar, you bring the feathers…
I love that scene from the documentary on John Adams where they tarred and feathered that guy!!!
He has a long way to go to catch up to O'Bummer's 400+ TV appearances in a year.
However, he is getting the media spotlight right now, so if he squeeled a bit, it would get a lot of attention. It does p*ss me off that none of the other 40 senators has anything to say about this either.
Once again the Congress is showing its contempt for the laws of the United States and the citizens of the United States. This is both Republicans and Democrats. This makes it most imperative to remove most if not all long term incumbents in the next 3 Elections.
This contempt for the law is a very dangerous trend in our government.
I'm left wondering: Do our votes even count anymore? If the Democrats can disregard this election, what will stop them from disregarding the election in November?
Who forgot to send Kirk the Memo? In fact, now that he is NO longer a stand in Senator, could this be referred to as Senate Crashing?
Remember to vote in Nov 2010 and 2012
This is sad. It seems we still have a spineless republican party and a new republican senator from Massachusetts who is probably just another rino weasel . Can we trust any of these bastards!?
Is it a felony to impersonate a senator?
Perhaps the ONLY caveat in all this – and this is still something that just doesn't match up to the cycle of collapse of great nation states through out history – (The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 230 plus or minus years.
Assyria (859-612 B.C.): a 247-year reign.
Persia (538-330 B.C.): a 208-year reign.
Greece (331-100 B.C.): a 231-year reign.
The Roman Republic (260-27 B.C.): a 233-year reign.
The Roman Empire (27 B.C.-180 A.D.): a 207-year reign.
The Arab Empire (634-880 A.D.): a 246-year reign.
The Mameluke Empire (1250-1517 A.D.): a 267-year reign.
The Ottoman Empire (1320-1570 A.D.): a 250-year reign.
Spain (1500-1750 A.D.): a 250-year reign.
Romanov Russia (1682-1916 A.D.): a 234-year reign.
Great Britain (1700-1950 A.D.): a 250-year reign.
The USA (1790-2009 A.D.): 219 years and counting.
Is that our current debt is over 12.3 TRILLION dollars and when you add in unfunded liabilities – it becomes early 120 TRILLION DOLLARS – It just begs the question – exactly what does the "winner" get???
Because the Dems in MA have one law for themselves and another for everyone else. If the law inconveniences them, they'll change it, then change it back if it hampers the other side.
With all due respect, Scott Brown has to run again in 2 years in the most liberal state in the country. So he has to appear to be an Independent caucusing with the Republicans. Unless, of course, Obamao makes things even worse than he already has in the next 9 months leading up to the midterm election and MA then swings further right.
There are 2 main political parties in the US: 1)The Dangerous party (D). 2) The Stupid party.
These guys are asleep at the wheel. They senate raised the debt ceiling AGAIN! That's kind of like giving a bottle of scotch to an drunk and then tell him he should stop drinking. And the R's do NOTHING!
These fools on the hill are really starting to piss me off……
What exactly do you expect the GOP to do about any of this? You DO realize that they don't have enough votes to stop anything at all, don't you? Honestly. Show a little intelligence and comprehension.
Only now, at the end, do you finally understand.
Hey, Scott…
I don't think you're displaying the "proper attitude", soldier…!
You had better be all assholes and elbows TOMORROW, or you will be historic yourself…as in post-mortem career historic…
What the voters give, the voters can damn well take away; and its hard to run a campaign on the .32 cents in your pocket…when your primary competition is reaping the rewards…
We're surrounded by finger pointing dumb asses, 1red. Instead of blaming the ones voting FOR this crap, they're intent on blaming the ones who voted against it. I bet they voted for Obama, too.
The leadership of the Republican Minority needs to STEP UP and not let this happen.
Gallows humor, but accurate. Ironic, isn't it? The same dumb asses who voted for these idiots are now looking for someone to blame. They can't get that right either.
Who do you think is going to listen? The ones in charge? Please.
It appears that Senator Elect Brown true colors are showing. Brown should declare he is not a republican (he lied to the voters) and become an Independent.
Did you read this whole thread? I read most of it and was shocked by the posts!
Yes, sadly, we are surrounded by a bunch of thoroughly ignorant idiots, who not only have NO idea how our government works, but want and expect politicians to do things that are perhaps not illegal, but impossible for them to do and yet, haved no respect for those doing the right things.
They either voted for Obama or voted for some fringe party candidate who had less than no chance of winning. Perhaps they just stayed home and didn't vote at all, since nobody is perfect enough for them to vote for.
And the guy who claims to have WORKED and voted for Brown appears to have never bothered to pay any attention to him, his record, nor anything else. Good grief……………….he, of all people, should have known Brown and what he was like! But maybe he was just an envelope stuffer, if that, and paid absolutely NO attention to anything else. *sigh*
As of last Tuesday, Kirk is ineligeable to vote on any legislation whatsoever. The results of the vote should be disallowed. I doesn't matter what the bill was about. The vote was illegal.
Looking4Sanity I live in Illinois……..Nothing a Democrat does suprises me anymore……
Wait I take that back! If a Democrat ever actually made sense I'd be suprised………….but we both know that'll never happen…
Unfortunately, yes. I've read it all. Any fool could tell you that it doesn't matter what letter you have beside your name…if you live in Massachusetts, you are a liberal. I'm not surprised that Scott Brown is a RINO from MA. It is still better than the alternative.
What really bothers me is not Scott Brown so much as it is people's stupidity for not knowing all these things that, for a normal thinking person, would be common knowledge. I mean, the voters upset the natural order of checks and balances in government in the last election. What the hell did they THINK was going to happen?
Evidently they thought a million unicorns would fly over the country crapping magic Gummy Bears and farting rainbows! Honestly, I'm going to open a new web site selling magic beans…I should make enough money to pay off the Nat'l debt in a week.
I'll reiterate for the mentally challenged here:
THE REPUBLICANS CAN'T STOP ANYTHING RIGHT NOW! THEY DON'T HAVE THE VOTES! THEY COULD ALL DIE TODAY AND NO ONE WOULD EVEN NOTICE…THAT'S HOW BAD YOU SCREWED YOURSELF IN THIS LAST ELECTION.
STOP COMPLAINING AND GET EDUCATED SO YOU DON'T SCREW YOURSELVES AGAIN IN NOVEMBER.
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BRAVO AND A STANDING OVATION !
I couldn't have said it better, if I tried and have nothing at all to add to it, as you covered all the bases.
The stunning abject stupidity, in so many posts, here, by people who are supposedly on "our" side, is extremely disheartening.
I am sure Eric Holder will step forward and advise Dingy Harry that something is wrong. Then again, I predicted snow here in Bangkok today.
Why is he still voting? Because he is a Democrat. Why don't the Republicans contest this? Because most of them are Democrats also.
If you are from Massachusetts than you should know he has to be certified after all the votes are tallied which takes approximately two weeks. (Of course, the Democratic machine that has ruled Massachusetts allowed Kennedy to be seated the next day after the election.) Sen-elect Brown has to be sworned in before he can vote. So if you are really disappointed, then you should address the Massachusetts congress (with the help of the Democratic Party) on why they are delaying this process.
Refusing to support people he does not even know sounds like a good answer to me. I can't even think of more than a couple who should be reelected in 2010. Tea partiers are not Republicans…they are conservatives. The Repubs and conservatives are rarely the same anymore.
An OUTRAGE in front of our eyes, yet AGAIN! These guys are gonna get what's coming to them…
The Senate has voted on three pieces of legislation today that required 60 votes–to raise the debt ceiling to $14.3 trillion,
This is a leftwing crime syndicate.
God please help this country. See Below.
Brown warns GOP, don’t bully me
By Hillary Chabot | Thursday, January 28, 2010 | http://www.bostonherald.com | Local Politics
U.S. Sen.-elect Scott Brown vowed today not to toe the Republican Party line – saying he’d publicly shame the GOP if they try to bully him.
“I’m going to be my own person,” Brown told the Herald in his State House office today.
“I don’t believe they’re going to say, ‘If you’re not with us we’re going to hold these committee assignments,’ I think I’m going to be treated pretty fairly,” Brown said about his renegade status, adding he has no qualms about calling out any political arm-twisting.
The not quite left opposition is complicit. They are proving their true beliefs.
Being that I am from MA, BLOOD IS SHOOTING FROM MY EYES!
It makes absolutely no sense that the GOP would not be contesting the votes everytime he participates since the MA Special Election. They have been VOTING NO AGAINST BO & THE DEMS RADICAL ANTI AMERICAN AGENDA, why would they not cry foul on this as well?
I too have wondered. I wrote both my Senators and the Minority leader. What else is this guy going to vote on ?
You know, I can't help but wonder if this isn't a preview of what is coming in November????
dalecaruso, said You know, I can't help but wonder if this isn't a preview of what is coming in November????
how do you mean? what are you thinking?
I may be way out in left field here, no pun intended. What are the statutes on enactment of legislation? Is it possible that the GOP is keeping quiet to avoid bribery w/ the intention of eradicating these results at a later date? Of course only applicable to any voting where his vote was necessary to pass the legislation.
This may well be a very unfair thing to say – because I am not from Mass. and really no nothing of Senator-Elect Brown (soon to be Senator Brown when he finishes the talk show circuit) – and this is not about the Democrats nor the Republicans – to be very blunt, I am (and have been for decades) a political atheist – I just have a very, very, very bad feeling about all this. That includes Sarah Palin, as well (and I really like the lady) …. I have posted the link to SusanAnne Hiller's story at a number of other forum sites (9-12ers, "conservative" sites, etc) and THE ONLY COMMENT I have seen was an "it figures" –
Perhaps it is only me (well, and everyone that has posted here as well) – but I am outraged by this – to me this isn't a political party thing – this – along with so many other incidents – large and small – is the collapse of the Republic …
I think it would be fair to say that we now can clearly see that our central government has become an oligarchy – and based content on the President's state of the union address last night – we are witnessing the beginnings of the battle for control – a battle between a President in the mode of a Hugo Chavez – and the "ruling elite" (the congress) – and WE THE PEOPLE have been relegated to the status of "audience" – with the price of admission being our tax dollars.
perhaps Etienne de la Boetie said it best back in 1553 ~~ "It is incredible how as soon as a people become subject, it promptly falls into such complete forgetfulness of its freedom that it can hardly be roused to the point of regaining it, obeying so easily and willingly that one is led to say that this people has not so much lost its liberty as won its enslavement."
I think the republicans shoulds sit back and let the dems do this. It gives them the voice they will need in november. Let the dems ruin them selves. I thought the rebublicans should of stayed home this last year. They should of not been in view during the health care votes either. If the dems are hell bent on killing this country, Let them take all the credit for it.
You the peasants must remember, we don't care what you think, we will do it our way. So shut up and kneel.
Let's face the facts. The Republicans are as pitiful as the Democrats. They all suck, and we are all the worse off for it.
Al Franken is in his Senate office by fraud, as is Lautenberg, as is Kirk, The Constitution is used by these people as toilet paper. The GOP have no skin in the game, they are gutless wonders, butt kissers on the order of Chrissy Matthews and Madcow. Both parties had better wake up to the fact they are hated, despised and FEARED by the people and this FEAR will turn to rage very very soon with attendant consequences.
The Democrats know the Republicans wouldn't do anything about it …
[...] Brown’s been certified by the state of MA. Where’s the RNC on [...]
Any law that this guy voted on should be struck down as unlawful
I'm going to be very cynical here. The only vote that required 60 votes that would not have passed without him was increasing the national debt. The Republicans knew this had to be done or their would have been a giant fight and the government could be shut down and of course they would be blamed, similar to what happened to Gingrich in the 90's. They did not want that fight but they wanted to be able to say they voted against raising the limit. The Republicans are not putting up a fight because Kirk's vote on that allows them to vote no without actually stopping it. If they objected and he was kept from voting (which he should be) some Republican would have to fall on his sword and vote for an increase which is not politically popular. This gives the Republicans the best of both worlds-it's politics, everything else he has to vote on makes no difference.
That's true, they have done that once already.
The Dems are soooo corrupt and the Reps so chickennnn it makes me want to puke at the thought of what our Gov has become.
Besides, Brown is way too busy doing the talk shows to bother with the people's business or voting yet.
Oh yeh! Just what did the American citizens expect from a Massachusetts politician–whatever capital letter they put behind their name. Why didn't the Massachussets Dem machine fight harder for Coakley; because they knew there was very little, if any, difference between the two candidates.
Where is Scott Brown and where are the Republicans? Why do you not insist on him being seated? Last we heard from him, he was hoping to be seated this past Tuesday– and you are not kicking up a fuss? Where are our pals on talk radio, Michelle, Rushbo, Sarah, et al….Why wasn’t he at the Obama Fright night last evening? You got your sorry as** saved by him last week.
Out foxed for the last time!
http://bunkerville.wordpress.com/2010/01/28/where...
I would like to know why he is still voting too?
OMG! I said the same thing you said last night, after reading about the votes. I volunteered for Scott Brown because a friend convinced me too, but I stopped when I read an interview that he gave Roslindale's local paper. He was very arrogant. If you notice, everytime he says that he's an independant thinker, in the next breath he'll mention that the RNCC didn't give him any money. I believe he's independant for the rigfht price! He is allowing Kirk to vote to spite the GOP for not giving him money. He is in many ways just like Obama: he refuses to move on from the campaign, continuously complaining about not receiving any money, spending more time excersing than doing the people's work and last he's doesn't seem to understand the single most important reason people donated time and money to his campaign-to vote AGAINST the democrats. There is no such thing as "working" with Democrats. They are hell bent on destroying this country. A military officer serving in congress should know that!
[...] » Why Is Senator Kirk Still Voting on Legislation? – Big Government Why is the GOP allowing the Democrats to blatantly violate Senate and election rules and laws? Where is the GOP leadership? Will Kirk’s votes stand? Massachusetts voters deserve an explanation as does the rest of the country for this blatant abuse of power. [...]
It wouldn't matter. The Debt-ceiling vote was budgetary and only requires 51. They had 60 with Kirk.
You are correct in that – What most troubles me is Congress' total disregard for not only the tenets of the constitution but even their OWN rules … as was pointed out in the article. They have become like the neighborhood dinner – the "special of the day" – It has become a body that abides by the rules only when it suits them – BOTH parties.
I'm sorry, did you say "Republican leadership"? That's as much an oxymoron as "liberal Democrat" is a redundancy.
To answer the particular vote comments – such as "t wouldn't matter. The Debt-ceiling vote was budgetary and only requires 51. They had 60 with Kirk." and "I'm going to be very cynical here. The only vote that required 60 votes that would not have passed without him was increasing the national debt. The Republicans knew this had to be done.."
You are correct … What most troubles me is Congress' total disregard for not only the tenets of the constitution but even their OWN rules … as was pointed out in the article. They have become like the neighborhood dinner – the "special of the day" – It has become a body that abides by the rules only when it suits them – BOTH parties.
Dems have no ballsacks. Why do you think they are so pissed all the time?
Republican "Leadership" has become an oxymoron!
There are rules in the Senate where just one Senator can delay a vote on legislation, and whether ultimately the vote takes place the Republicans could still point out that Kirk is no longer eligible to vote. Have you heard this anywhere but here?
The American people are angry about the Democrats ignoring the rule of law and the will of the people; Republicans need to continue to place a spotlight on acts such as these. With every vote taken, the Democrat Senate leadership are guilty of ignoring the rule of law and their own rules, and it needs to be known.
as much as i'm impressed with my junior Senater, Jim DeMint… i will NOT vote for any imcumbents for the next 5 elections… after which i will see if any positive changes have been made… if not, i'll continue to vote for a new face….. and forget about Senator Graham… Senior RINO…… AIN'T A CHANCE IN HELL HE'LL EVER GET MY VOTE AGAIN……..
both parties suck….
Email Mitch McConnell and kick his ass. I did. This is absolutely criminal.
[...] BigGovernment: “The main question here is: why is former Senator Kirk still voting on these legislative pieces? According to Senate rules and precedent, Kirk’s term expired last Tuesday upon the election of Scott Brown.” [...]
Where's the lame stream media on this? Where's the outrage?
Believe me, I do understand your point … but you did NOT understand mine…I listen/watch news coverage 4-5 hours a day (I know, I know … I probably need to get a life … ha!) … and my criticism was stemming from the FACT that I have yet to see/hear any GOP figure EVEN MENTION THIS FACT and voice their own concerns! You really need to give more thought to your comments before you choose to be so rude!
The Republicans are being smart here. The fact is this bill to raise the debt ceiling had to be passed. What are we going to do, default on what we owe? It is much better to have only Dems voting for it though. Letting them have their 60 votes lets them own it entirely, as someone has already pointed out. The Republicans aren't going to be against spending caps and Bernanke passed with 70 votes, so Brown's vote wouldn't have made the difference there.
I don't think the Dems are going to take any meaningful votes until Brown is seated (scheduled for Feb. 11), and the Republicans are playing it smart by not making a big deal out of nothing. I agree that ideally the law should be followed, but what are the Republicans options? Take the Dems to court? That has little chance of success because the courts try mightily to stay out of congressional procedure. About the only thing they could do is appeal to the public, but there will be no wide-spread public rage over these votes. The Republicans just won Ted Kennedy's seat for heaven's sake! There is little need whine unnecessarily now.
The Senate didn't raise revenue (raising revenue is a taxation bill) – they raised the amount of money we're allowed to owe.
Kirk is still voting because Harry Reid said he could. Reid has decided that he is Lord Master of the senate, and to hell with rules, laws, or the Constitution. This whole damned senate needs to be voted out of office, if this cannot be be accomplished we take our guns and rope to Washington and solve the problem ourselves.
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Nothing to see here, folks.
These are not the droids..er..uh..Senators you are looking for.
Is Brown a RINO? Probably… but he is one we need to stop Obamacare. In the end Brown was elected to represent his constituents… not himself. That means he should be voting with the Democrats on a lot of things. His constituents didn't want Obamacare anymore than we do
On these other votes the non-senator is voting on… they really don't matter. If the GOP shuts down government by filibustering everything, then they will be labeled obstructionists and the media will make it stick. In other words… they need to pick their fights carefully. Let the Democrats keep increasing their limit on the credit card… it will hurt them later. Just don't let him vote on Obamacare, cap and tax or other really big issues.
I agree. The Republican Senators WANTED the debt ceiling raised without having to cast a vote for it. Kirk gave them that cover. If it had not been raised, they would have to give up some of their earmarks.
They are choosing to IGNORE the rules.
Some might say they are picking the fights they can win.
[...] I noted the following over at Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government site: Why Is Senator Kirk Still Voting on Legislation? [...]
What is Senator Brown saying about this usurpation of his prerogative, letting a appointed rather than an elected Senator vote when he's no longer qualified. I have seen nothing that says what his stance is on the matter, doesn't he care? Why is Senator Brown allowing this to happen?
I am from Massachusetts. One only needs to look at how it is Kirk got into the temporary position in the first place to answer the question on this op/ed. In short, the law on the Mass. books in 2004 was that an empty senate seat could be filled by a Governor appointee. The Governor then was Republican Mitt Romney. When Sen. Kerry made a run for the presidency the Mass. Democrat Senate went, uh oh, this means Romney can appoint a Republican if he wants to so they changed the law to make a vacant Senate seat filled by a general election. Flash forward to 2009. Kennedy is about to leave this earth from illness. The Mass. Democrat Senate went, uh oh, we don't want to wait for a general election to fill his seat if he dies so we will change the law to allow the Governor to appoint someone to fill hi seat. The Governor is a Democrat Gov. Deval Patrcik(Coupe De'Val as I call him). So, just flip flop 180 degrees when the situation could go against you in this one party state. This is why Kirk is still there. Nothing to see hear, move along.
Your post was right on til you showed your true colors and had to attack another poster.
This is another example of why there should be no incumbants re-elected in either the House or the Senate in the next available election. Both parties are to blame here. Neither party cares a whit what the PEOPLE want or the Constitution states. A pox on both their houses!
Well, ya see, you've got RULES for Republicans, and then you have rules for Democrats. Nuance is everything.
Totally agree, been there, done that.
It is all up to you Republicans… do the right thing.
I still remember my serial number… and how to get my Kentucky windage.
Let's make this a major issue to void any of Paul Kirk's previous votes. This is not right, Why isn't Scott Brown seated? This is just another ridiculous Democratic wrong that will be dealt with in November, but send Kirk home.
There is a tricle down effect to all the flaunting of laws, contracts, rules and fixed practices lately in evidence. We see an increase people and organizations squirming shamelessly out of their obligations to others. For example, insurance companies who increasingly refuse to pay valid claims, or vendors who ignore the terms of warranties. Adherence to common decency is what keeps us from bitterness and violence.
I tweeted some GOP senators about this yesterday. So far the only one who's replied is John Cornyn
I tweeted some GOP senators about this yesterday. So far the only one who's replied is John Cornyn, this morning, who tweeted:
"Parliamentarian says it is his right till Senator Brown is sworn, which will be soon"
I just tweeted him the URL to your article and we'll see what he replies or if anyone else replies.
Maybe I'm gettin gmore jaded by the day, but I think the Republicans got exactly what they wanted. They WANT the debt ceiling raised, and this way they can let the Dems do it and fake disdain for fiscal irresponsibility later. It frankly, makes me sick.
Because the difference between Demicans and Republicrats is like looking at both sides of a shiny new penny. It looks pretty but is essentially worthless. There is no real difference between tax & spend Demicans and Borrow & spend Republicrats
i love that people complain brown hasn't been seated yet while the block on obama's appointees continue. delicious hypocrisy. but, of course, it's only unamerican if it doesn't agree with YOU'RE ideology, irrespective of the populace.
Yes, we will default. The sooner the better. It's inevitable. If not, what's your specific solution?
I agree with you! Also why hasn't Scott Brown contested? Linda
Well written
jar – I think or I would hope it is more about violating the rules of the state of Mass., rules of the Senate, and violates the 17th amendment of the Constitution. I also suspect that had everything been reversed – with the Republicans holding the super majority in both houses and a Democratic candidate pulled a similar upset, we'd likely see the SAME scenario being played out.
I've questioned this of my Senator as well and waiting for an answer. If one does not come I'll be voting for someone else in the primaries In Utah. I would agree with others that this is absolutley Bull**** and needs to be addressed and challanged.
Err, it's called a "Point of Order" and it would have put the issue on hold until the Senate ruled on the issue.
It's quite clear; Senate rules, as the article points out, mean that Senator Kirk is no longer Senator Kirk, and wasn't the moment Coakley conceded on January 19th.
For him to still be voting on legislation frankly puts everything currently voted on in jepoardy — IF the Republicans grow a pair and actually do something about it.
The fact, however, is this: Republicans didn't want to stop the debt ceiling limit from being raised, but they DID all want to say they were on record as voting against it. Allowing non-Senator Kirk to continue voting simply gave them cover, but I GUARANTEE you if he wasn't there, at least one Republican would have voted for it.
This is politics at its worst, and yes, I know precisely how the Government is currently working, and I also know precisely how it is supposed to work — and they are NOT the same.
Which is why they ALL have to go in November.
The issue isn't Scott Brown not being seated; the issue is that former Senator Kirk's interim term ended on the 19th. His term was not contingent on either Brown being seated, or his election being certified. His term has ended, but he is still voting.
WTF?
He's referring to the RSCC who didn't really support him or give him money until the last minute. In other words, their money and "support" wasn't waht got him elected.
Personally, even if I don't agree with some of the decisions he'll make regarding the way he votes, at least he's standing on his principles. We need more people like this in D.C.
Why did Jonny Mac pull his punches so that Bammin'Barry could win?
Republicrats…same destination…different toll booth.
Is this against the law, how about follow up by the FBI?
Honorable Senator Hutchison,
My family and I have noticed the interim Senator Kirk of Massachusetts, is continuing to vote on legislation, after having been replaced by Senator Brown. Our understanding of the 1939 Congressional Record, p. 1058, is that after the election date, in this case 19 Jan 2010, the seated Senator may no longer cast a vote on Senate considerations. The Congressional Record explicitly refers to a special electionm such as the recent election in Massachusetts. Senator Kirk has voted 6 times since 20 Jan 2010. Please provide a response as to why this is allowed in the Senate, and if your office will so anything about it. Respectfully, XXXXXXXXXXXX
Get real people – and read your Constitution while you're at it. Until Brown is recognized and seated in the Senate he isn't officially a Senator and he doesn't get to vote. Don't blame Kirk – don't blame the Democrats – blame Brown. It's his choice as to when he shows up and becomes a Senator. And MASS gets to keep their representation whether he's there or not – so Kirk gets to vote until Brown does show up.
They do it BECAUSE THEY CAN!
What are you going to do about it besides complain on an internet forum? That's right! NOTHING!
Which is exactly why we are in this mess in the first place. It's like the people are the management in the movie office space and the government are all a bunch of Peter Gibbonses. They know they can do whatever they want whenever they want, and we are too lazy to notice or to care.
They give themselves a raise, we complain to each other, but they get the raise. They take our tax money and give it to their corporate donors and we complain about it, but their supporters get what they want at our expense.
At some point, complaining on an internet forum is going to have to escalate into forming a legitimate opposition to this criminal neglect being perpetrated by our elected officials.
Not allowing them to get reelected and not electing someone to replace them who is just like them.
I know everyone thinks Ron Paul is a kook, and they may be right, but people like that have one thing as their priority and that is the TRUE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. He doesn't care about pleasing his corporate donors or his peers in congress. He cares about US. We need more people like him in office. Bottom line!
Thank you for addressing this issue Ms. Hiller! I asked this question last night in response to the news that the debt ceiling had been raised on clear partisan lines – 60 Democrats for it and 40 Republicans against it. If Mr. Brown had been seated, this might not have happened.
I don't understand why the Republicans are not raising hell? And why isn't Scott Brown complaining?
They should be raising hell and the fact that they aren't is very disturbing.
Taxpayer approval of spending is moving into national debate. Smaller debt increases would give the Tea Party time. Time to pound, pound, pound on this issue.
If I was a lawyer and I had the time, the lawsuit would already be filed. I would donate to any lawyer willing to fight for the people.
http://taxdayteaparty.com
Yes, another couple minutemen or hundreds of thousands.
Where is anybody in DC with a spine. How do you just set there and NOT get PI$$ed. I was a Democrat and then switched to GOP, now I might just vote for third party. It's the same on both sides. All you change every four years is the head of the snake, and every midterm the same Shite.
i have Read this entire post and was beginning to get worried.
Thank you Political Lies for the correct explanation of our parliamentary procedures.
You have restored my confidence that there are still enough smart people in this country so that we can dissect the truth.
Here now is the political side to this
Folks if this were 46 years ago and the Republicans were in charge and were about to take a very crucial vote on a matter the Democrats were so deadly opposed and a young Democrat had just been elected to fill out a term from Massachusetts.
Who does not believe that this nice young senator would not have been seated in order to vote to stop or at least delay this bill.
Scott Brown, I hope the reason you were not there was because your truck broke down on your way to DC.
Ahoy the matey, you are so on, your husband must be an admiral.
Come on Carol.
Please, no… "party of the first part party of the second part" … nonsense. Counting the ballets is an issue when the vote is plus or minus a percentage point, not 7%.
How long did it take Teddy to get seated.
I sure hope you guys are all Dem. plants
Say it ain't so Scotty.
The country does not need a loose cannon right now.
We need to scream and scream LOUD!!! Write Michael Steel,Beck, Hannity, Mr. O' and your representatives. These are illegitimate votes. If Brown hasn't yet been certified , then they should have NO vote in Ma. Kirks seat ends immediately upon the election date……….. One more thing that STINKS to HIGH HEAVEN….. The scum bags. Brown and the republicans should be in their faces on this, NOW.
While I'd be thrilled to see this Democratic hack gone, this doesn't seem that hard – The Senate is not Massachusetts. The Senate swore him in according to their (federal) authority and until they kick him out and swear in Brown (happy day) Kirk stays.
You've gotta pick better issues . . . Like demanding new Republican leadership.
I was also wondering why Senator Kirk is still voting. The only thing that makes sense is Republicans wanted the debt ceiling to be raised without any Republicans voting for it. Long past time for term limits!
[...] Crossposted at Big Government [...]
bulldust troll. You did nothing for Brown. You are a DNC plant.
what nonsense. You are nothing but a DNC troll.
oops another troll. Shall we break this one down? Not at all convincing with the comments. How much are you getting paid by DNC operatives?
it seems that Kirk and his staff only pay attention to the Boston Globe. That paper said he could stay there.
Another DNC troll….. please prove that you are not being paid by the DNC to cause mischief.
aha…. the same talking points used by another poster. You have been found out.
however, the role ended at the election. Kirk should not be in the Senate and he should not be voting. It is not legal.
please tweet him again and remind him that it is not Kirk's right, and that he needs to follow Massachusetts laws. The role ended when the election was held. Kirk is there illegally.
that is a stupid comment. Political appointees are not elected officials… they are appointments and they need to be confirmed.
I have noted that most nominees have been confirmed after it has been shown that they have a clean record. Those nominees that have been held up have been among other things tax cheats and various kinds of felons.
On the other hand, this same group of Dhimmicrats have held up appointments to the Supreme Court using filibuster methods….. it is where the term "borked" originated.
Kirk's appointment finished on 19 January. He should not be there.
Anyway with such a wide margin there should be no holdup in seating Brown. If this can be done in the Reps last year then it should have been done in the Senate. It is a stunt on behalf of the Dhimmicrats.
So I suppose you trust the republican party machine? Well I sure in hell don't. Both these party's can't be trusted. I have good reason be leery of the republicans. True the present party in power is a nightmare but it is in power in the first place because of the previous pathetic performance of the republican party I used to put my faith in.
The right has none either. Screw em.
TROLL
Whether it's right or wrong, Brown is simply playing the game…along with all the others. Politics, by nature, is an evil game…you have to pick the lesser of two evils and pray
Who decided on February 11th for the date Mr. Brown will be sworn in? and
how many more bills will the dems try to push through before he is in office?
Where are the tea party voices on this? I for one am going to call my senator. Hope everyone
does the same.
Military motivation…
Senator Brown has, or will have had, the momentum to put the Dimocratic Senate on notice and exposure for this fiscal madness, by simply standing in the "hallowed halls of Congress" with the MSM cameras, further embarrassing the Senate leadership…who would have been hard pressed to explain why Brown is not being seated, and pointing up a conflict between the State's law concerning this, and Senate leadership obfuscation…
You do not waste any opportunity to negatively impact the Dimocrat machine…I assure you, they are making every effort to do the same to the conservative revolution headed for them…
Brown won this seat with national support from people who want something DONE…so DO something; or it can be expected that the support will go elsewhere…
This is a fight not just for 2010, or 2012…it has to be fought far beyond even 2014…and we do not have ANY time to waste anywhere…
If that makes me a "TROLL", I accept it…
[...] (On a related note, Democrats needed 60 votes to pass this increase and Sen. Paul Kirk (D-MA) provided one of those votes, despite Senate rules and Massachusetts law saying his term expired last Tuesday. So why did he vote?) [...]
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I am extremely happy that Mass. has elected Scott Brown. My wife, daughter and I all held signs went to his rally in North Andover and are huge fans of his and hope he could become the next President of the US. I understand that it is up to the Mass (Galvin) to certify the election and reid (twit) to seat him. I am frustrated though, that with all the power or political stardum that he gained he did not use it to push his seating or make it aware to the public that this POS Kirk is still voting on major legislation that will affect this country. For all the hard work that he di to get elected he could go a little bit further and say something on Leno, instead he is on the defense about being bullied by his "Republican" colleagues. I have voted Republican my whole and will continue. I have never seen a democrat I could vote for and believe i will. That is all I am saying.
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No Ozzie I have never voted for a demi and never will. They disgust me. I just do not understand why he didn't make it known that Kirk was voting for legislation after Brown was elected which was supposedly not allowed after Brown had been elected not certified.
I'm sorry to hear that you remain undiagnosed. Let me ask you: if you're not a liberal, why are you living in Massachusetts?
Yes, Scott Brown is a useful idiot…for the moment, but we knew he was a snake when we picked him up. It is only a matter of time before he bites us and he has admitted as much.
You need to work on those denial issues of yours, \”buddy\”.
Ozzie,
That is what I am saying. Why isn't Brown putting up a fight. HNow he is on Baba Wawa Sunday Morning. I agree with some of the other posts letting the dems take the heat for raising the debt limit but he should have played the media a little more to show just how corrupt the senate is and mass. gov is.
I think you know the answer.
He never will. You have to become active in the RNC then you can chew him a new one and better yet run against him in the primary…you don't have to campaign just get your name on the ballot!
That's because you and I are the Federal government's never ending assets!
No we need to add more members in congress dilute their power. Wait a minute Article 1 Section 2 US Constiution says we are supposed to have 10,000 congressional districts by now! Remember there were just 65 in the beginning and yet it stopped at 435 in 1912 the same year as the Federal Reserve, IRS (16th) and 17th (Direct Elections of US Senators). Always vote out the incumbent no matter what!
You Goofball,
Scott Brown being elected stopped Heathcare from being passed, stopped cap and trade, and stopped the terrorist trials from being held in NYC. So yes people should realize how the politcal system works. I am not Liberal I can guarantee that.
Why Is Former Senator Kirk Still Voting?…
The reason is because the Senate doesn’t represent the people’s interests anyways, but instead the interests of the political parties. The 17th Amendment allowed the Senate to come under control of the political parties and their special interests, a…
Many of us who are politically active had NO ides this even happened. I just learned of it 1/31/10 and dang well believe that I posted this to Steele's FB page, am alerting others of this, going after my local DC Talk radio hosts and some national ones who are sick of the Dems and trying to get people to raise heck. Maybe it is not that we do not care so much as there is so much going on that enough of us who need to be alerted are not getting the info. I have been fighting over 25 bad bills in VA that are just dealing with animal owners rights, public safety issues, hunter's rights and not giving certain low trained individuals police powers (yup, this may be happening of two bills in VA pass) and trying to keep up with everything is tough.
[...] been 10 days since Massachusetts’ voters elected Senator Scott Brown and yet interim Senator Paul Kirk continues to vote: “The Senate has voted on three pieces of legislation today that required 60 votes–to raise the [...]
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So, what's the hold up or what's the problem? Why is this guy voting if he's been voted out. Will the bills have to be revoted or will they stand.
Hey, dumb ass. The Republicans couldn't have stopped it. It's a budget issue. The Dims only need 51 votes to reconcile it. Did you forget that, or did you just flunk math? What are you, like 11 years old? Jesus! We get it you hate Republicans. STFU already. You're as bad as Fonz and Hassalhoff with the Jews for Christ's sake. Give it a rest, pinhead.
Clearly you know far less about the way the govt. works than you think you do.
Budget items require 60 votes for cloture the same as anything else. Just because it's a budget item doesn't change anything.
What you are referring to is reconcilliation, that can only be applied to items that negligibly affect the budget in a negative way.
Oh, and reconcilliation can only be used ONCE per budget cycle. I very much doubt Reid & co. would blow their reconcilliation wad on raising the freakin' debt limit.
Now, pick up a book on the government, and lean how it actually works.
(I should have known that a GOP shill doesn't actually have a clue how anything works. Hmm, maybe I should have just stopped at "doesn't actually have a clue" …)
I never mentioned cloture, you dullard. I guess you're to stupid to extrapolate the word "reconcile" to reconciliation. Or did you flunk reading as well as math? And you want to give me lessons on Government? You really are a retard.
Yes you did, although you didn't use the word.
Reconcilliation is the ONLY way 51 votes are required, either as reconcilliation of a House-Senate conference where the House adopts a Senate bill with ZERO changes (even a single word required a cloture vote first), or through budget reconcilliation which, as I pointed out, can only be used once in a budget cycle.
Look, at this point you're making yourself look like an idiot because you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
And your insuslts make me think you're maybe not a GOP shill, but a liberal/progressive/communist infiltrator, because real conservatives don't stoop to personal attacks. (You managed 4 of them in 41 words.)
Leadership & Statesman no longer exist in the USA. Our Republic will soon be no more, but somehow congressional persons will end up with full pensions and other benefits! The people be damned!
The more I hear from and about this guy, the more I like him. Very independently minded in a closed-shop two-party system. He sees that the parties serve themselves first, before they serve the people. That needs to change — more people like Palin and Brown, please! And we need some like them in the Democrat party as well. Or a strong new independent movement *cough*teaparty*cough* that can keep the partys' excesses in check.
Feeding the dems extra rope so they can hang themselves on the mandation healtcare takeover bill maybe?
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[...] Scott Brown Is Finally Being Seated. The Dems were trying to hold this off as long as possible. February 11 was supposed to be the date Brown is sworn in, but guess what? He challenged this and will now be seated a week early – February 4. Thank goodness – in the meantime Kirk has still been voting (even though the people spoke loudly and clearly) and some far-reaching legislation has passed as a result: Why Is Kirk Still Voting? [...]
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Universal health care is just plain dangerous and all about political power from the left.