Disputed Science Can Lead to Disastrous Decisions in Copenhagen
by Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX)As President Obama jets off to Denmark for the UN’s climate conference, I hope he will take some time as he flies over the Atlantic Ocean to revisit the science that led him to this trip.
The EPA sure didn’t.
Last week, unelected officials at the EPA abruptly put an end to honest debate by unilaterally declaring carbon dioxide a “harmful substance” and putting themselves in position to begin regulating emissions from every business and farm in America.

In making this rash decision, they have relied heavily upon findings by climate-change scientists that have been subsequently discredited by the scientists’ own e-mails, which indicate data manipulation and the exile of fellow researchers who didn’t agree with the group’s accepted, foregone conclusions.
As governor of a state that will be unfairly and dramatically impacted by the EPA’s ill-informed decision – one that will cost each Texas family $1,136 annually in higher costs and eliminate as many as 400,000 Texas jobs – this is simply unacceptable.
If EPA officials are prepared to put hundreds of thousands of hardworking Texans out of work, and take nearly $100 a month more out of the pockets of people already struggling to make ends meet, my belief is that they owe these people – at the very minimum – the benefit of making sure the science they’re depending upon is sound.
I said so in a letter I sent to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson last week as a formal request that the EPA immediately reverse its decision. I haven’t heard anything back, and with President Obama on his way to Copenhagen, I doubt seriously that I will.
It would appear that “looking good” on the world stage has trumped good policy and sound science.
Ignoring the arguments of Texas because we’re the national leader in traditional energies is one thing. But if that’s their position now, the EPA is sadly behind the times.
Over the past decade, Texas has added more wind power than all but four other countries, and tens of thousands of megawatts of new, efficient power plants that use less fuel for each megawatt hour produced. Texans have also pioneered new drilling techniques that have unlocked vast new domestic natural gas supplies and rejuvenated old oil wells, increasing our national security.
Today, Texas air is cleaner, even after many years of a rapidly growing economy and population. We’ve slashed ozone-forming pollutants by nearly half and have made tremendous progress in lowering emissions that actually harm people’s health. But if that isn’t enough for the EPA, maybe they’ll take note that a side effect of all of our efforts has been that our carbon dioxide emissions have fallen by more than nearly every other state and even every country in the world except Germany.
Rather than examine what’s working in Texas and follow our example, the current administration seems intent upon passing massive new energy taxes and draconian regulations, whether through EPA mandate or via equally ill-advised cap-and-trade legislation still pending in the Senate.
This is the surest way to knock America’s struggling economy completely off its feet and forever damage our ability to compete in the global marketplace.
Again, Texans will suffer more than most. We are already seeing major employers delaying or cancelling billion-dollar-plus projects due to uncertainty about what Congress or the EPA might do. That translates into thousands of jobs that won’t be filled, and the loss of much-needed tax revenue for local schools.
It’s just the beginning of the sacrifices Texans will be called upon to make.
Studies have shown that when they open their monthly electricity bill, Texans will have to pay an additional $50 per month, and when they fill up their truck with gas, they’ll have to shell out an additional $16. Texas farms will see significantly higher costs for fuel and fertilizer, and many may be forced to close farms that have been in their families for generations.
Worst of all, these costs will be imposed on our citizens for no benefit. Even setting aside the now-discredited science upon which they’re based, even the EPA has admitted that these massive energy taxes and regulations will have no impact on the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Texas is proof that traditional energy sources can vibrantly coexist with renewable and cleaner emerging technologies and that free markets and limited government are far more conducive to job growth, energy security, and fostering new technology than the Washington way.





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Maybe if 5 major states threaten to secede from the Union that will get someone's attention in DC. Just a thought…..
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I know it's a silly question but isn't Congress supposed to vote on treaties?
Another word that isn't in style anymore – TREASON.
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Rick Perry knows about science? Studies have shown? What studies? The ones you pulled out of your underside?
Can I be the first to suggest California and Massachesetts?
Governor Perry (my governor) is a very compentant person who has governed well. Texes is one of the least impacted states during this recession.
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At some point the sheer force of public opinion and awareness will kill this totally transpparent godless fear mongering attemt to glogalise the planet. This facade cannot hold up to the bright light of truth.
For the seventh time in the last 100 years there is a snow on the ground around Christmass in Nopenhagen.
Thank you God
Drudge headlines today alone …
House approves $290 billion increase in debt limit…
Obama signs $1.1 trillion spending bill…
House approves $155 billion for 'jobs'…
I would agree, but as a Californian, I no longer consider this a major state. We should be in debtors prison now…..
That is really silly. You guys who read the Constitiution and believe everything you read are so un-enlightened.
Well you could do a google search on Cap and Trade and read them yourselves, but how about this one.
http://www.window.state.tx.us/finances/captrade/t...
It is from the Texas Comptrollers office, you know the people that work for this Governor. So when he says "studies" he means he assigned people in his goverment to analyze the different studies and provide him with data. Rather than just "What Studies?"
Or this one.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/energyandenviron...
"Ignoring the arguments of Texas because we’re the national leader in traditional energies is one thing. But if that’s their position now, the EPA is sadly behind the times."
I guess some of your representatives are being the times as well Perry. These are the following representatives from Texas who voted for cap and trade in the House: Cuellar, Doggett, Gonzalez, Al Green, Gene Greene, Hinojosa, Jackson-Lee, Eddie Johnson, Reyes. This represents approximately 28% of House Representatives from Texas who voted for this bill. Maybe they didn't get your memo.
Oh yes, thank you god. And eternal thanks to Jack in the Beanstalk. Jack and god … two peas in a pod.
Did you go to the link and read the multiple reports posted?
Your original post was What Studies?
Well, I showed you a source for some of those studies and to my reading, none came out of his underside.
And frankly, your point about " He told them what he wanted and, can you believe it, that's what they told him." is exactly why some of us doubt the AGW bull in the first place. So thank you for making our point in the first place.
Prove the data before we spend the money.
Once again, a democratically controlled government that overtly goes out of their way to ignore the facts in an effort to promote their own political agenda. The facts don't matter to these people, all they care about is increasing the size and power of government to control it's people. Another shining example of what we as voters need to do this year, and every election year here after.
Oh yes, thank you god. And eternal thanks to Jack in the Beanstalk. Jack and god … two peas in a pod.
I'm sure it must be difficult for you, watching your belief system flushing down the toilet. Note if you live in the northern hemishpere iit is swirling in a clockwise direction. It's science man not relegion, deal with it…
LOL
You are quite ignorant.
If you don't believe cap and trade will raise energy prices you are beyond willfully ignorant, given the people pushing this through have admited as much.
Also this will be done at no benefit because,…
…If you believe in man made global warming after Climategate you are beyond willfully ignorant again. You are creating a religion at of liberalness, deceit, and deception. I pray to God to smite you for your quest for deceit.
It is a good thing you are mocking a post on it getting colder, because where you'll be going is going to be real warm.
So you think the constitution is stupid. I think you need to move to Europe or something.
Sounds like an Obama tactic to me
I can vouch for the wind power stuff in Texas. I use to work up and down the 45 North corridor and would see the massive blades on the back of trucks headed up the road. Fairly often as well.
Rick I hope this means you are going to fight all this phony global warming crap. Your state and country are counting on you to not just say what we want to hear. This is yet another redistribution of wealth program. We owe other countries NOTHING. Maybe if there citizens were not enslaved they could get somewhere.
Don't let us down Rick and thanks for the article.
It's becoming more unbelievable each day what this administration is trying to impose on us. Where does it end?
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The simple fact that we have a potus who would waste his time and our money going to the summit tells the world just how pathetic and denutted this country has become.
No republican in Texas voted for cap and trade.
Of course democrats voted for it. You @#$%ing dumb@$$.
Bottom line to every jack@$$ on these comments… Texas has hardly been hit by the recession. Maybe we know what we're doing here, oh also we're mostly conservitive. The states that are doing the worst in the recession are super liberal states…. maybe the liberals don't know whaty they are doing.
Oh snap, of course logic is far beyond a religious fanatic, if they were capable of logic they'd understand why their economic policies were so stupid. They could also just be stupid and at least be sane, where the definition of insanity is doing the same thing that has been done several times and gotten different results. I mean we're moving towards economic policies that more or less mirror things that occured in japan that led to their lost decade, but for @#$%s sake liberals are probably too dumb to know any economic history or facts about anything because they are so @#$%ing dumb.
To the conservitives: don't tell me to be nice and just logically debate liberals. The time for talk has ended. They have shown themselves to purposfully ignore facts and reason to meet their own view of a false reality like a zealot. @#$% them all time to take the country back, not with or without them… just without them.
Secede Governor Perry.
"As governor of a state that will be unfairly and dramatically impacted by the EPA’s ill-informed decision – one that will cost each Texas family $1,136 annually in higher costs and eliminate as many as 400,000 Texas jobs – this is simply unacceptable."
I have two problems with this passage:
1 – Any Democrat worth his worthless demagogic soul would not have settled for "this is simply unacceptable" – it would have been something more along the lines of "this is an outrage against the working people of this country being perpetuated by dishonest scientists pursuing an agenda paid for and pushed by greedy special interests!"
2 – Grammar grammar grammar! Cut out the middle of the sentence and you get "As governor of a state that will be unfairly and dramatically impacted by the EPA’s ill-informed decision… this is simply unacceptable." I don't know the exact term for this, but something doesn't modify or link to the subject, no?
Mind you, I'd still vote for Perry if he ran for president…
Uh, hey Rick, are you aware that the Supreme Court in 2007 ruled CO2 as a pollutant and directed EPA to re-examine its policy? EPA under Bush took no action because, in their words, there was "substantial scientific uncertainty." This of course was a lie, because every national and international science body in the world concurs that humans are causing most of the observed global warming.
You don't know anything about "disputed science" but are instead posturing on right-wing political grounds. You talk about "now-discredited science." Hello…emails do not prove that science was falsified. Where are the actual studies that were falsified? You're adopting the same old logical fallacies and spin that only works in echo chambers this one.
That's just like the White House giving the CBO numbers for this healthscare scam and getting what they want out of it. The CBO can only work with the numbers it's given. So what's your point?
If the "science" has been manipulated to achieve a certain outcome and data has been eliminated because it didn't "fit" their pre-coceived diagnosis, the "science" is considered flawed. Since these GW pushers refuse to debate the issue, they obviously can't debate it and therefore have something to hide. I can't believe liberals like yourself would like to part with your hard-earned money for some moneymaking scam for certain bureaucrats, corporations and banana republics salivating at the trough. Of course, perhaps you have a vested interest in the outcome. That would make sense. Or you're just terribly partisan and equally gullible.
Wow! How generous of President Obamba to give 100 BILLION play money to Third World despot. Would Hugo Chavez invest this money building AK-103 and cartridge plants and create 1500 jobs in Caracas?
I'm sure it must be difficult for you, watching your belief system flushing down the toilet… Note, if you live in the northern hemishpere iit is swirling in a clockwise direction. It's science man not religion, deal with it…
LOL
Mary Bono voted for Cap & Trade in CA because there's a wind farm in her district of Palm Springs, so she had a vested interest. This is just as big if not a bigger scam than healthcare, which is really a payoff to the unions and malpractice lawyers. The Bamster's good friend at the Chicago Climate Exchange was made the only authorized dealer of carbon credits. I can only imagine who's buying 'em up…Soros, Immelt, Gore, etc. with probably a little sumpin' sumpin' for the dealmaker-in-chief. They stand to make a fortune in this $145 trillion hoax.
If by doing so, they might in any way, see themselves affilitated with Texas, the answer is NO!
Viva la Revolution!
Living in Texas since 85, I would vote for succession in a heart beat.
And a huge part of the problem in this country!
open your mind, not your mouth.
Ditto.
Plant life requires CO2, and in the process of photosynthesis releases pure O2 into the atmosphere. Nature will balance itself out, and in the presence of richer CO2 concentrations, plants will grow faster and produce more O2. I'd have thought you tree-huggers to be more sensitive to the plight of plants.
EPA ruling is ridiculous. Who will stand up for the plants??!!??
good old bean pole barrack needs to go to europe to get his ego stroked by a bunch of hynotized libs, its not about saving planet earth its about shakeing down those with wealth, its the only thing our dip prez knows, and he thinks hes a good caring person, what a friggin tool
Hahahahahaha…sorry, couldn't help myself.
So its colder in the country than in the city. Climatologists cherry picked the data, they ignored rural temp data in russia.
So its colder in the country than in the city. Climatologists cherry picked the data, they ignored rural temp data in russia.
I think that Texas should recede. They should become a part of Mexico. They like the cheap labor. As for me I like to pay a fair wage for a fair days work. This is an absurd idea to most conservatives I know. They favor tax breaks for the rich and low wages for the working poor.
There you go, making me snort coffee out my nose again….
Louisiana stands at the ready, Rancher. These morons move on their AGW-based communism and we're looking at 25 percent unemployment. That's worth seceding over.
"He told them what he wanted and, can you believe it, that's what they told him."
Sounds kinda like the AGW movement's "studies."
I had already thought about this. Greenies must be so conflicted! Uh…except Greenies that stand to make billions and trillions of greenbacks!
You mean like Al Gore knows about science. What did Al Gore said on how many million degrees core of the earth? Or the Artic will be totally melted in 5-7 years?
That's because all the Republicans are owned by big oil and those who voted for them are stupid enough to believe their BS or rich enough to own oil stocks. The Republican party is a thing of the past as the old racists bastards die.
"Plant life requires CO2, and in the process of photosynthesis releases pure O2 into the atmosphere. Nature will balance itself out, and in the presence of richer CO2 concentrations, plants will grow faster and produce more O2. I'd have thought you tree-huggers to be more sensitive to the plight of plants.
EPA ruling is ridiculous. Who will stand up for the plants??!!?? "
Conservative Joe, I had also thought about this. Greenies must be so conflicted! Uh…except Greenies who stand to make billions and trillions of greenbacks!
Obama wants to use the threat of the EPA to extort the passage of cap and trade. Two can community organize. Congress, particularly some of the democrats who have been treated so kindly by the administration's thugs and gangster politics, needs to grow a set and propose legislation to de-fund the EPA. I believe that it is called "check" in chess. But then Congress needs to have the guts to pull the trigger, so to speak.
You had better check your sources again! There are more scientist and PHD.'s who say the science is unsettled and has no proof that it's human caused if any. In fact there are more studies and full reports from highly respected climatologist, that any warming is anything but normal.
The IPCC,GISt and any affiliations to them have cooked and cherry picked their data. This pure political agenda alright.. all far left and socialistic. So instead of trying to spread your BS that nobody believes… get your facts straight!
Ok, if CO2 is a toxic pollutant, I agree that you should quit exhaling.
Tell me another
Looks like you might be suffering from governor envy
JPA · 31 minutes ago
Uh, hey Rick, are you aware that the Supreme Court in 2007 ruled CO2 as a pollutant and directed EPA to re-examine its policy? EPA under Bush took no action because, in their words, there was "substantial scientific uncertainty." This of course was a lie, because every national and international science body in the world concurs that humans are causing most of the observed global warming.
You don't know anything about "disputed science" but are instead posturing on right-wing political grounds. You talk about "now-discredited science." Hello…emails do not prove that science was falsified. Where are the actual studies that were falsified? You're adopting the same old logical fallacies and spin that only works in echo chambers this one.
Sorry. Try again. Climategate is here to stay, and you just wishing it wasn't so will not change it. The leaked emails prove that the data was fudged, massaged, and in some cases made up garbage. The emails also prove that these 'scientists' gamed the peer review process and demonized opposition.
The science is NEVER 'settled'. If it is, it is not science, it's politics.
Meanwhile, you just go ahead and plug your ears and pretend you can't hear. I do not claim the AGW is not real. I don't know if it is or if it is not. I do know that politics is not science and computer models and tree ring evidence is not science.
youre not to brite are you, 'fair' is an elastic term, its meaning is subjective. a free market allows people to freely choose what wage they will work for. conservatives favor tax breaks for everyone and allowing business' to decide what wage to pay workers not the govt. intervening and deciding. If you ever have your own business you might understand
whats the point of that? it would only lighten the debt load and bo would 'say look my plan works.'
get back up barneys butt, tell me
I have always supported Kay Bailey Hutchison in her climb from state jobs to the U.S. Senate. I was always proud to vote for her.
But, I will be voting to keep Governor Perry in office! KBH should attempt to stay in the Senate – and make sure she is voting in accordance with those who elected her.
Governor Perry, continue to stand for the native Texas principles that made our beloved state mighty. It’s great that Texas is a place where others want to move and grow their businesses. But, we must not allow them to turn Texas into the states they left.
Well, I am glad to see that you are against illegal immigration. Now, if you could just convince the other Dems not to try to buy future elections by granting amnesty to all the illegals. Of course, that would upset the SEIU crowd, who are counting on rebuilding their union coffers, and increasing personal power, by amnesty.
How does O2 balance out CO2? Only one is a greenhouse gas. And just because SOME plants grow more with increased CO2, that doesn't mean that rapid global warming (in geologic terms) is good for ecosystems. Your statement was a typical fallacy.
I actually don't really agree with it being called a pollutant because it does not have acute toxicity as other chemicals do, but the fact remains that EPA was directed by the SC and had to comply, and Rick Perry ignores this.
No, I'm sure policy makers will continue to rely on facts and science rather than flat-earth ideology.
I know that some of you right-wing nuts would like the idea of people dying to further your political agenda, but we've moved on from the Dark Ages buddy.
So in your mind, emails "prove" that data was fudged. You "know" this without even looking at the data in question. Amazing, you must be a psychic.
btw, science is settled when there is this thing called CONSENSUS, which is what you call it when every science body in the world agrees, as well as the vast majority of scientists in that particular field.
Hi John. I would love to see a flat tax with an elimination of all tax breaks for all people of the U.S. Then, once we pay down the debt, most Federal taxes can be slowly phased out.
Can we leave the Union yet?
Since you've figured out the hoax, Jacey, why don't you get in on it?
WHOOOOOSH!!
That was the sound of DumbQuestion's comment soaring over Matt's head.
No we haven't. You can't be a good right winger and not live in an alternative universe.
Matt, sorry I was being completely sarcastic with "RightWingStuff". I was trying, apparently not successfully to poke fun at people whho think reading and adhering to Constitution is radical or antiquated. My actual views are same as RightWingStuff. I apologize if I offended anyone with my bad attempt at humor.
Do you remember the country song, written and sung beautifully by Barbara Mandrell, which says, “I was country, when country wasn’t cool?” Well, some people began disputing the global warming theory before most people knew it existed.
Our son was one of those. He is a brainiac, who has always taken things apart to see how they worked, and he is the most focused person I have ever had the privilege of knowing. He is usually right about things, and that can lead to some rather interesting parenting experiences. He wound up with an MBA and a Computer Engineering degree.
Anyway, he began talking about the global warming theory’s being based upon false science years ago – when most people would have said, “Global WHAT?” We probably said that ourselves.
He got all excited and produced graphs and spent quite a while explaining it all to us. Or TRYING to explain it to us – it all seemed so foreign at the time. But everything he showed us has been in the news lately, and we see through the deception, because he explained it so well long ago. Global warming is based on false data. Our son said so.
The emails don't prove the data was fudge but the 160 MB of fortran source code released with the emails absolutely prove the data was fudged. Actually they prove that much of the results were flat out faked. You don't have to be a scientist to know this, just a halfway decent computer programmer to know this. Its like a detective trying to fake DNA and having every DNA lab tech in the nation say the results are faked even when they don't know anything about the crime.
So, you obviously don't know when to quite beating the dead horse called global warming.
Hmm, yes, and is your son a climatologist?
If I were a chemist, I wouldn't try to say the civil engineer's bridge plans are wrong.
You need to get out more.
Exactly!!
OK, so now computer source code is going to prove that studies appearing in scientific journals are fraudulent? That's pretty creative. Until we reexamine the actual studies in question, you guys are pissing in the wind.
Even if you took out everything CRU was involved in, there is a mountain of other evidence pointing to human-induced warming and at least three separate, independent temperature records and models. The fallacies just flow endlessly from you folks.
He's a brainiac. That's an all-purpose category. Brainiacs know everything.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-rev...
Here is a website listing ~500 papers in peer-reviewed journals that dispute man-made global warming. Please read at least a few before commenting further.
It's always fun when the Al Goreacle, eco-Marxists talk about the science, or I should say lack there of (certainly no lack of "bad" science in the Global Warming/Climate Change/What's next now… camp).
Not withstanding that the CRU email and data file leak isn't already bad enough, I know, Al Goreacle said that these were hacked by deniers, and are irrelevant anyway, since they're all 10 years old (nothing to see here, just move along). Surprising then that many are only 2 months old, and that the information appears to be the work of a whistle blower. And of course that it is typically the practice of legitimate science to withhold data, destroy data and manipulate data, as long as it is all for "social justice" (aka: redistribution of wealth and the end of capitalism).
continued:
Nevertheless, "Climategate" is old news, lets move on to the latest AGW scams, and pending "denier" actions:
1. Darwin zero report shows manipulated temperature data:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/the-smoking...
2. CEI threatens suit against NASA for 3 year old FOIA request, demanding release of climate data:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2400667/...
3. Russian IEA releases report of temperature and data manipulation by CRU:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole...
4. DOE issues "Litigation Hold Notice" regarding CRU emails and documents:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/14/doe-sends-a...
5. CEI files suit against EPA endangerment finding (can you say "full disclosure" of all publically funded climate data sets, including but not limited to: CRU, EAU, NASA, NOAA, et.al.)
http://cei.org/news-release/2009/12/07/cei-will-f...
Ah, but you have broken one of your oldest liberal rules. How do you know I am a "Buddy?"
contiuned:
6. and last but not least, the Great Goreacle dodging questioners and those pesky debators:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704...
No scam has ever been as gigantasmic as AGW. Look at Copen-Haagen-Dass this week, the Marxists speaking nothing about alternative energy, or God forbid science (might have to acknowedge "Climategate"), only about how much money they can get the West, that means the US, to pony up for our CO2 indebtness. How about the rest of the world pays us for eradicating disease, or for our agricultural technology, or basically lifting the entirity of humankind out of the stone age? Nope, not going to happen with the moron we have for a President, he and Pelosi and Reid thank that bankrupt California should be the model for our country, not TEXAS!
Governor, keep pushing that 10th amendment, that may be our only hope!
Good job Jersey, you basically mentioned the most liberal Congressional members in Texas that could easily fit in with California liberals. Sheila Jackson Lee pushed for there to be Congressional honoring of Michael Jackson, a friggin pop singer who only avoided being convicted of child molesting by paying off the victim and victim's family. These are your shining examples of reason because they supported Cap and Tax?!?!
http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/full_tex...
Texas rancher, I agree with you. I like KBH very much and am proud of her record in the senate, but she just doesn't have the bite that Perry has. I feel he's cacky, arragant, and a pit bull when it comes to standing up the washington.
It looks like we are going to get into a dog fight with the EPA and Obama and we need a pit bull fighting for us. Kay, God love her, is a poodle that will be too scared to throw the "secede" card on the table.
No, he makes WAYYYYYYYY more money than a Climatologist.
Of course, that is assuming said Climatologist didn't invest in "Green" technologies and Carbon offset theories.
I think the EPA could save us a lot of money by just being disbanded. Wonder if they have a clue about what is coming there way…
I love to touch myself in front of the mirror, is that wrong?
Well I know there is a few mid-west states that will join
And we got the FOOD
I suppose you dont believe that Aliens landed in the desert and are controlling the government either?
You GOP types are so clueless!
Thats a bunch of bull! Labor may be cheap, but so is cost of living. We have low taxes on EVERYONE! The whole "tax the rich" montra is actually tax 75% of all small business in this country because thats who you are calling "the rich". I am technically one of those "working poor" you speak of and I still have work here in Texas.
We would rather secede than become part of the USSA! Keep your soul bankrupting socialism and marxist theology and we'll keep our liberty, free market, and high standerd of living.
I am a typical fallacy, that's what my mother used to call me anyway, but I do love Java!
I love myself
I asphyixiate myself all the time, usually in front of a mirror, want to watch
Wow your sexy, want to meet in a mens room?
Ok. Your invited. Wisconsin can bring the beer. This is apparently a hot issue. We might have enough people to start our country over again. Or create one hell of a PR nightmare for this Administration.
Sounds like you and M. Mann are BFF's
I don't have a problem voting for seccession at this point either. Texas receives just $.70 for every dollar we send to washington. Were better off keeping it.
Not so much. The SC said that CO2 meets the definition "air pollutant" as it is defined by the Clean Air Act (not necessarily science) which "embraces all airborne compounds of whatever stripe". In addition to which the SC said that the only way the EPA could regulate it under the Clean Air Act was if it was listed as a "danger" by an endangerment finding by the EPA which is the only way the EPA could regulate it by moving the CO2 from simply "an air pollutant" to an actual "danger". Lo and behold, the EPA did exactly that. The Clean Air Act has broadly defined criteria to snare things within its scope, and the EPA has too many broad powers that have little in the way of check and balance outside of its own internal structure. Basically the SC only said how CO2 can be ruled based on the way lawmakers wrote the Clean Air Act, and what the powers of the EPA under that Act are. The EPA has been salivating ever since to get it pushed through.
Wow. That's the first time I've seen that list, and I'm so tired of libs telling me to show them the peer reviewed papers disputing or shut up (claiming they don't exist), like I have them all saved to my computer. That's a link everybody needs to see. Thanks sir.
I'll tell you another……..its called the 160mb of fortran source code that proves the global warming data was faked. I'll also tell you to pull that global warming zombie mindset out of your underside.
Dude Dont Mess With TEXAS
I am a working man, I push a button down at the plant, it took me years to learn, little red light goes on and I have to push that button, sure I dont think pusing that button has done much since 1979 but its a union job and they can't get rid of me, it only pays me $62 and hour but at least I have my dignity.
It pays for the abortions and lets me follow my passion, namely getting drunk and beating the hell out of my wife, and pretending I am some kind of artist.
Life is pretty good right now for me, but some of my neighbors are actually having to get up before noon, that's just not american, no sir, its just not.
Damn filty captialists would probbly want to replace me with a monkey, that's not right, all you right wing haters out there would rather see a monkey with a job rather than a leftist with his hand out, how the hell do you live with yourselves?
More reality for the eco-Marxists to chew on:
The largest drop ever in Natural Gas inventories:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Natural-gas-surges-...
Actually, we believe in markets setting wages based on demand, and every time an illegal alien hops the southern border to start a lawn service at below market prices, and the libbys all keep law enforcement from inquiring or deporting him, another American Citizen owned lawn service fails to pay a decent wage because they wont be able to compete otherwise. There is no such thing as "jobs Americans wont do", there are only "Jobs Americans wont do at that price". Stop protecting illegals, allow markets to function properly, and wages will realign to the market. In that process you must accept though that someone's labor is only worth what someone wants to pay for it, we will not all be 6 or 7 digit earners. And when you show me a working poor that doesn't get back 100% of their income tax and is a source of employment for others, i'll be concerned about them getting a tax break.
Waiting in line
I mean I really, really love myself, I mean in really disturbing ways, it's why I post drivel 24×7 on all the sites, that and my mom says I am grounded until I confess and tell them where I buried the cat.
My mom and dad are Fascists.
Texas is a big state, the reps listed all come from poor minority districts that has been trained to be dependent on government handouts.
My pleasure.
I hope he still lives in texas.
I'm pretty sure most greenies have already conceded to sacrificing the plants "for the greater good". And of course as soon as their organizations receive all their huge checks to combat global warming they'll find something else to complain about, like the poor plants.
It's like the solar plant that greenies refused to allow to be built recently in the U.S. because they found a couple endangered species on the land that was set aside for it! You can never make them happy!
I think they are turning into REDBACKS
AMEN!!
Way to go, EPA. These are the same fine folks who decided on their own DDT was bad. If we were able to use DDT in Africa it would put a huge dent in malaria cases – possibly halting the disease.
Can I volunteer Colorado – but we'll leave the people's republic of Boulder for the rest of the libs…Or we'll move to Texas….
Hey, dude, I know you can't win arguments using reason and logic, so you're gonna use my name and try to impersonate with idiotic comments? What a fool.
just in case you missed it JPA, Anton was nice enough to post earlier in the thread some reading material. It's just 500 peer reviewed scientific journal papers that most liberals say don't exist.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-rev...
The only people that claim a consensus are the media, the IPCC and the people who will benefit from the legislation. Yet that's all you ever hear about, and as the old saying that liberals seem to live by these days goes "say it enough times and people will believe it". Many scientists are even offended by the word consensus, because the term is in and of itself unscientific.
Even Obama himself says that with cap and trade our energy prices will "necessarily skyrocket"
You mean like Robert 'KKK" Byrd? You haven't study your history, right?
Nothing would be better than if that sh**bucket of a state seceded.
How dare all of you, I went to a meeting at the Dail Kos where they had a vegan scientist explain that the earth would go up in flames if we didnt start eating vegtables that fell from tree's, like salad stuff.
The earth is telling us she is hurting, the real scientists can talk to her and she has told us whats real!
Haters!
Below is a post made earlier in the week…
An expose that should blow the lid off this Globalist, NWO, funded hoax to enslave the peoples of the world. A lot of people are about to lose their precious belief system. Tune in to truTV @10:PM est. next Wednesday…
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You really should watch this…I'm sue it will be rebroadcast
New Jersey smokes more crack cocaine than any other city on the planet, so we know about getting lit up.
The planet is crying and telling us she needs a break, what is wrong with all of you people, are you against vacations of something?
I graduated from the 3rd grade and I know I am pretty dumb, but you guys just seem to hate all of us pedophiles and communists for no reason other than we want your stuff.
I just dont get where the hate comes from.
OH crap, I just read the e-mails, I guess they say they are hiding the data and would rather destroy it than release it, ah hmmm.
Crap
Oh crap I just realized all the temperature data that they are basing this on is in the e-mails, oh double crap the studies were based on the model.
CO2 increased after the temp for the 80K year record CRAP
What, that can't be right, the MWP and little ice age were real, oh CRAP CRAP CRAP all the artic ice is back plus more.
CRAP
Hey Dude I know I a can't win arguments, cause like I cant even string 2 thoughts together, man I am a fool
I am the real Syntax_Game man
Ah crap I meant I am the real JPA, you FOOL
We will just take up a collection and move them to Carmel CA and trade them for Clint Eastwood!
Don't forget the Cheese! Your cheese Rocks, I go up twice a year to visit a client for IRS purposes and then I buy Cheese. Those little curds are addictive.
You made an excellent point, and after hearing the replay of Pelosi asking "are you serious" when asked about the constition I was boiling..
This attempt to kneecap our economy should be tied around their necks in 2010 when we relocate them back to their districts.
"Hello…emails do not prove that science was falsified."
No, but the computer code and the raw temperature data do. And the emails do confirm that the peer-review systam and IPCC process were hijacked by the warm-mongers.
"Where are the actual studies that were falsified?"
Start with Mann et al (1998) and Briffa (2006). Then if you have the stomach, for it, the laughably badly faked Steig, Mann et al (2009). Also review the New Zealand data-fudging scandal, and yesterday's Russian allegation that GHCN cherry-picked the Russian temp data. There's more, there's lots, lots more. But you will of course stick your fingers in your ears and go la-la-la because you would rather believe a railroad engineer, a failed divinity student, and a Paul Ehrlich disciple.
"This of course was a lie, because every national and international science body in the world concurs that humans are causing most of the observed global warming."
No, that is a lie.
Sheep.
Hey sh**head, get your own moniker.
No, but it seems that you are attempting to argue that little green men from Mars composed those leaked emails.
I think the school Czar Jennings introduced them..
I was too! Unbelievable she is actually in Congress. I am ashamed my state foisted her upon the country. I blame Northern California. I have a lot of replies offering states to secede. Once I tally them up we can sell the rest of the country who thinks this is all hunky dorey to Canada.
Don't you find it curious people that those who have weak arguments, hidden agendas, or weak minds seem to always resort to name calling and or outright lies to articulate their views? You should head on back to media matters, the "free Press" or whever you came from if you don't understand what is goinng on in this country..
" at least three separate, independent temperature records and models."
HadCRUt, NOAA, and GISS "independent?" Bullcrap. All three rely on NOAA's 'adjusted' and very, very cherrypicked (<1000 stations out of >6000 available) temperature series.
And all ignore the satellite data- even NASA/GISS(!).
And there is NO "mountain of other evidence." There is not a *shrted* of non-discredited evidence for the proposition that the 20th-c warming was e3xceptional or outsifde the range of historical varuiability, or caused by human emissions. With the faked tree-ring studies debunked, the mountain of evidence" (glacial cores, lakebed sediments, stalactites, ice-rafted debris) says what it always did, and what was the unquestioned, 'settled' scientific consensus: the Roman warming, followed by the Dark Age minimum, followed by the Medieval Warm Period, followed by the Little Ice Age. The existence of this sequence is *fatal* to the warmists' claims- which is why in the 90's they out and said, "we have to get rid of the MWP." Mann and his accomplices obliged, and somehow one ludicrously bad paper (details on request) was supposed to wipe out, to borrow a Warmist phrase, "the work of thousdands of scientists extending over a century."
And I won't even start on the sloppy (and already-falsified) physics, or the statistical jiggery-pokery.
"science is settled when there is this thing called CONSENSUS, which is what you call it when every science body in the world agrees, as well as the vast majority of scientists in that particular field."
Well, you have just proven you know absolutely diddly-squat about science. 'Consensus' is a political concept: scientific fact is not determined by vote. Oh, and "the vast majority of scientists in that particular field" means, in fact sixty. SIXTY. Forty-two of whom are directly implicated in Climategate.
No, but it is wrong to tell others about it.
They used Fortran? Wow I was taught that at U of Texas 35 years ago. They found a dinosaur my age to write this program? I would have thought they would have used something of this century like Minitab for the AS400 or some other statistical projection software. I am really shocked that they would use something this old and with no real complicated statistical modeling.
So they didn't consider the sun, el Nino effect, volcanic activities, earthquakes that release Co2, forest fires like in CA or Argentina this year, water temperatures, deep water temps, current flow of the Atlantic and Pacific or anything other than 2 criteria CO2 vs temperatures. I am not a "Scientist" but neither are they since none of these items were included plus they excluded 75% of the temperatures from Russia.
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Did they explain that Veggies are grown with nitrogen based fertilizers? Did they tell you that if you mix that fertilizer with Diesel you can create a bomb? So are you now worried that when you get gas you could blow up???
I understand the science behind man made global warming and you just saw an example of it!
I used to live there and miss it but the one thing you forgot to say is that Texans are the most independent people on earth. The average Texan will work himself to death doing something if you simply tell him it can't be done. They will prove you wrong every time.
If they form a new country count me in.
Have you noticed that God has a great sence of humor. Every time Gore gets on his soap box it is colder than ever before. When he was going to address the Congress it snowed so hard he couldn't make it.
So you agree that the politicians, especially the democrats, are reallyAliens. Or do you mean illegal aliens?
Yep.
I realize that many people have not had the opportunity to "Find" God but all you have to do is look around and God is everywhere. You could read the bible it is shorter than the current healtcare bill and much more interesting.
Or you can listen to people telling you that you are the center of the universe and that every thing is a product of your self. Most of who have been in trouble, hurt, in pain, or near death realize that we are nothing but a tool of a higher being. Without that realization we would just not care about anything or be anything more than ourself. By believing in God we are more than ourselves and that is important too many of us. I would never make fun of an athiest, I would pray that they find God. That is a real difference.
WTFR is a "climatologist" Can you point me to a Doctor of Climatology? Sorry, pal, 'climatologist' is a label of self-identification used as self-identification by the clergy of the Church. It includes Pachauri (a locomotive driver), but not Lindzen (MIT Professor of Atmospheric Science), for example.
Apparently Physicists are unqualified to comment, because they aren't "climatologists." Neither are geologists- why would they know anything about paleoclimate?- and certainly mere statisticians can't be expected to understand the Mysteries of Climatological Statistics (quite true, actually- real stisticians can't make any sense of the Warmists statistical 'methods). Nor of course can dendrochronologists be expecte4d to understand the Climatologist magic that Mann performed on his bristlecones- what would *They* know about tree-rings, anyway?' Oh, and those anti-science knuckledraggers at CERN, what do they know about science?
So back off your Appeal to False Authority. It's a fallacy, and in increasingly lame one. After all, climate "science" may ape the language of the hard sciences, but it isn't one: it's a ststistical discipline, as soft a science as sociology.
BTW, here's what a genuine rocket scientist has to say: http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/...
Spend Spend Spend, Can someone tell them to STOP already. This is no longer funny.
If the democrats didn't voter for it they had to sleep with Nancy Pelosi. I may have voted for it if that was the alternative.
Can't keep your sockpuppets straight, troll?
John you are owned by big oil just like everyone else. Do you drive to work? Park your car because you are owned by big oil and ride your bike or horse. Do you enjoy electricity in your home? Then turn it off for 70% of the time because 70% of your electricity is made from coal or oil/gas products. Do you have a refrigerator? Un plug it 70% of the time. Do you use a computer? The chips are made using huge amounts of electricity so stop using it because it is made from big oil.
Now let's get personal, do you wear clothes, organic cottom maybe?? Well take that off since abolishing slavery that cotton was picked using well you guessed it Big Oil. Now that old liesure suit in the closet that was made directly from oil by product. Now how about that nice fleece jacket for those chilly days, yes they were made from recycled bottles which were made from yeap, Big Oil.
So you are either sitting at a public library naked or you are controlled by Big Oil too and you are too arogant to admit it!!
Gee, do you mean our plant life has been sucking in poisonous gas for centuries? How does it ever survive?
I'm so grateful that one judge – judge one – in the 5-4 Supreme Court split was enlightened enough to save the planet. I wonder if he or she has purchased her carbon credits yet from MaoBama's friend at the Chicago Climate Exchange? Maybe he/she can ask Bammy to do it for him/her since Bammy seems to have the inside track.
Judge one should be "just one." And Bammy may even get a commission or a discount!
Most of those involved in Climategate aren't climatologists.
I should clarify…those who insist the science is settled and that man is responsible for most of global warming are not climatologists. Many of the 30,000 who insist this is a hoax and the data is flawed are climatologists.
Well, now you've gone and gotten to the heart of the matter!
Trust us, we all know that.
Or…add to your list saving their behinds in World Wars 1 and 2.
Right on! Nothing would be better for Texan and Texans! I sure do hope that the green crowd can keep you warm in the winter after we shut off the oil and gas!!
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Thanks. Yeah, that is a good analogy. We are going to need a fierce dog in this fight! One that doesn't back down, and isn't afraid to get torn up.
We Texans drew a line in the sand once and we will do it again in a heartbeat. I'm 5th generation Texan and we are bread to not back down or lay down and take handouts like slaves. I love America but not the progressive movement that has poisoned this land.
Bye Bye to you socialist idiots who don't undersatnd that the free market brought about by the constitution is why we live as well as we do.
We have 6 generations, so both you and I feel strongly about our state. It's not like we didn't have the chance to move – it's that we REFUSED to move!
The progressive planning and takeover of this country has been stealthily on-going for many years. Most of those who have been "hood winked" don't even know that they were. It is too bad that they are taking those of us who know what is going on down with them. That is where the states are going to have to "draw the line."
I am sure that Hillary is going to be affected by her little speech giving away the money we borrowed from China.
ABOLISH THE EPA………..PUT IT ON THE BALLOT!!!!!!!!!!!! Anything that has been given power can lose it's power, look at the American Citizens and the power their Constitution gave them as living proof!!!!!! If the people don't rise up in REBELLION soon all of it will be history!!!!!! Save America, wake up a neighbor, it's their rights that are also threatened, help them realize it!!!!!!!!!!
Sort of like Ted Kennedy's objecting to a wind farm being built off the Atlantic coast within sightline of his property?
That is one thing that really ticks me off about liberals. They love to spend other people's money, and they love to make rules that they don't have to follow!
I also live in Texas. I was born here. I lived in California for 18 years and moved back home in 2001. Can't tell you how wonderful it was to come home. Texas is really a great state. I have heard that there is a Federal law that that says that succession is no longer available to the States. Does anyone know if this is true? I can not believe that the great state of Texas would ever let that happen because our State Constitution states that we can succeed. I know for a fact, the old saying, "Don't Mess with Texas" is true. So the Federal Government better just leave us the heck alone. You really don't want to mess with us. I am proud of the way Texas has gotten its people through these tough days.
K_D_J 3 hours ago: "It's like the solar plant that greenies refused to allow to be built recently in the U.S. because they found a couple endangered species on the land that was set aside for it! You can never make them happy!"
Sort of like Ted Kennedy's objecting to a wind farm being built off the Atlantic coast within sightline of his property? How dare they even CONSIDER spoiling his ocean view!!!
That is one thing that really ticks me off about liberals. They love to spend other people's money, and they love to make rules that they don't have to follow!
Tell Me Another
You really don't want to mess with TEXAS, do you?? My advice to you is to just drop it. Can't say I did not warn you.
Me too. Would be nice.
What's there to make fun of?
Good post Jeff. Liberals are so brain dead. It's really sad. shaking head
How quickly can you go?
We're supposed to take someone seriously who thinks bred as in breeding is spelled the same way as bread as in what you use for a sandwich? Sheesh.
"The free market brought about by the constitution …"? Could you explain what that possibly means?
"we must not allow them to turn Texas into the states they left"
Amen, amen. I say amen!
Don't mess with Texas. Gov. Perry has done a great job for Texans. I live in Houston and 15 years ago, there used to be a green smog around the city in the morning. Well, I haven't seen that green smog in the last 10 years. Our state government has done a great job lowering emmissions for over all pollution. We're #1 in wind, we have nucler power and solar. All of the above!!!! Obama is trying to take us down to help his master plan of socialism and redistribution of wealth.
Why not all fifty
Well, sure. He told them what he wanted and, can you believe it, that's what they told him. The Heritage Foundation? If you believe what they say about anything, there is a bridge for sale you might be interested in.
It's time for Texas to secede. Don't they have to reapply to join the Union each year anyways, or was that done away with at some time in the past? Anyhow, if they go, I think OK would go with them, and probably at least one other Southern state, maybe two. That would be magnificent to behold. I'd move there just to experience it.
Can I move to one of those states once they do secede. I would be a good "producer" and "capitalist."
Another part of the problem in this country!
Sadly Illinois will stay behind and become "The Home of the Terrorists" and permanently debt ridden slave of the Fed.
We need to start calling environmentalists by their true name "economic terrorists"
Manmade Global Warming is your religion. That's why you can't accept that you're wrong. Because then you'd suffer a crisis of faith.
I LOVE this guy.
I'm surprised no one has trotted out the "Helms-Biden" legislation that requires the State Department to certify annually that the UN complies with a list of criteria.
One of those is that the UN not/not create any entity that attempts to usurp US sovereignty – that is, attempt to impose any kind of world government organization not accountable to the member states.
Attempting to establish a World Environmental Organization with the authority to impose its rules on sovereigh countries is exactly in violation of Helms-Biden.
Attempts to impose world taxes on sovereign states is in violation of Helms-Biden.
Hell! Joe Biden was one half of the architects/sponsors of this bill. Why isn't he raising hell about the UN's overstepping of its iron-clad mandates? Why hasn't someone asked him why the administration of which he is a part is encouraging actions that are in direct violation of US law that he pushed through?
As long as I'm on the subject, why are UN organizations not accountable to the strict disclosure requirements of Sarbanes-Oxley? That drag on the US economy puts onerous reporting and transparency requirements on US companies and any foreign company doing business in the US and also those that list themselves on stock exchanges subject to oversight by the SEC.
UN organizations' budgets are a howling joke. They are so opaque and their managers are so unaccountable that were they held to US law, especially shareholder law, most of them would be in jail by now.
I hope someone on the Hill reads this blog and looks into these and other UN-directed US laws our allegedly accountable representatives are on the verge of violating.
Our lords and masters now romping around the fairy tale land of Hans Christen Andersen and the Brothers Grimm are sans garments and are rewarding the grasshoppers of the world (yeah, I know – that's an Aesop Fable, but what the hell?)
How many PhD candidates in the US or in any other country with rigorous peer review could pass their thesis and orals using the same techniques that the perps in Climategate used?
I'm sure the answer is "None!"
If a meteorology or any other grad student could not get such canardary as was demonstrated in the Climate Criminals' methodology past a panel of esteemed professors, how's come the self-same profs are willing to give those tactics a big "pass" when billions of yet-to-be-earned-and-taxed dollars are about to be committed?
While I'm at it, check out this article about "HadCRUT's" manipulation by cherry-picking of Russian climate data:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/12/17/russian_d...
As a European I tell you, this whole scam is to trap America, and it is well explained here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlUxs3rf1U4&fe...
If you sign the left around the world, together with your leftists will use it to destroy your capitalistic system and freedom.
I find it ironic that Governor Rick Perry deems himself a person capable of doing revision on disputed science.
What with the Cameron Todd Willingham case; where an innocent man was put to death thanks to incompetent arson investigators using common misconceptions and old-wives-tales regarding arson, to stack up what is now widely recognised as bogus evidence against the man.
Now that the case has been revised repeatedly by a variety of highly recognised independent arson investigators, who have all declared the arson evidence against Willingham to be wrong (and in some cases "junk science" "hardly consistent with a scientific mindset"), Gov Rick Perry has now repeatedly halted the investigation committee who are reviewing Willingham's case by removing committee members, lowering the priority of the investigation and hinting at decreasing funding for the committee after stating that they are not happy with the area the investigation is headed in.
Now I'm all for the president reviewing all the science before making a decision that can potentially effect the globe (economically or otherwise), but taking advice from Gov Perry about "listening to disputed science" is like the blind leading the blind.
multiple personality disorder? two headed man ? twins ?pelosi/reid at a private meeting?
Are you suggesting Texas should go bald?
Rick Perry / Judd Gregg 2012!
Thank you Governor! Just one more reason for me to be proud to be a Texan. I look forward to being proud to be an American again someday. I'm ashamed to say it, but our media and the majority of our federal government is fundamentally opposed to such inherently American values as freedom of speech, individual liberties, property rights, consenting to the will of the people, financial discipline and selfless courage. When did this nation become france? God help us all if this emasculation of America continues much longer.
An ebbing tide sinks all ships.
I STAND WITH GOVERNOR PERRY! Not with some liberal loon from the EPA, and the OBUMMER administration. Just wait and see how this INEPT INCOMPETENT COMMUNITY ORGANIZER SELLS US OUT IN COPENHAGEN! JUNK SCIENCE! FALSE CLAIMS! BILLIONS OF AMERICAN DOLLARS BEING PLEDGED! THIS IS INSANITY!
You should check who own illegals working in their plantation in California paying below minimum wage.
Liberals don't read. They wait for Olberface to tell them what to think.
No need to secede. All we have to do is enforce the Constitution of the United States here in Texas. If any law passed by D.C. does not meet the explicit functions designated to the federal government by the body of the Constitution, it does not affect law here in Texas. So, what would they do if we extended the middle digit to our federal overseers by withholding federal taxes? Come down here and arrest the Governor, all of the Texas House and Senate? Just look at what the buffoons in charge of the federal government are doing with the murdering terrorists being held in Guantanamo Bay! What happens when a terrorist (one responsible for the brutal torture and death of four Americans) gets a boo-boo being taken prisoner by Navy Seals? What a joke! As far as I am concerned, “Come and Get It”!__
they only have about 11 months to spend it….
The reckoning is coming
We hope, if the Rep. party would get on board with the Tea Party candidates and dump the RINO's I would feel much better about the whole thing.
Mother earth is telling us that Al Gore is a retard. She is also saying that Co2 is not harmful.. Remember school? Co2 is what makes plants grow. Dummy.
Then what's your point Ira?
Just like it should be. Once there is doubt in the findings, you should throw them out and start all over again.
Global warming is a lie, and it will be proven to be a lie. It's all about money.
Hey John….As a small business owner I would say this to you…. Unless you know what you are talking about the best thing you can do is keep you mouth closed. We DO pay a fair wage for a fair days work.
Come to Texas once and you will never want to leave. Why? No state tax. I might even give you a job as long as you work hard and don't expect something for nothing like most union retards.
"the Supreme Court in 2007 ruled CO2 as a pollutant "
What scientists, exactly, sit on the Supreme Court?
"You don't know anything about "disputed science" but are instead posturing on right-wing political grounds"
Nice projection. Actually, science is what we are leaning on, thus no "posturing" is necessary. Science like solar activity, weather systems like (el Nino, for example), water temperatures (surface, and deep)… all things which the alarmists' models did not take in to account, thus disqualifying tsaid models from any claim of being "scientific."
"emails do not prove that science was falsified"
So you're admitting you haven't read them. Thanks for the honesty.
"Where are the actual studies that were falsified?"
Again, if you'd read the emails, you'd know the readings used have been destroyed. Thus, the experiment cannot be replicated (convenient), which again disqualifies them from being considered scientific.
You sir are clueless. Thanks for displaying it.
"And just because SOME plants grow more with increased CO2"
Actually, genius, ALL plants require CO2. Have you ever had someone teach you about photosynthesis? Most of us covered it in high school. Want to help "save" the planet? Plant a tree, Einstein.
Here, don't say I never gave you anything:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide#Role_...
GoreBull Warming is the FOURTH climate scare scam this century !!!!!
http://www.businessandmedia.org/specialreports/20...
When will people ever learn?
Thank you for this article, Governor Perry, I wish I could vote for you. In fact, I wish you were governor of Illinois, so I could vote several times for you.
If all the states sucede, does that leave Washington D.C. as the District of America? I hope there's some kind of immigration policy to let those who have worked and payed their taxes and been productive into the new world.
Would that be the President and Congress making the decision?
good video … where's al gore to question on this ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKoUwttE0BA
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HavingFunYet, I am under the impression that Texas retained the right of secession when it became a state. Glad to have you back.
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"Rick Perry knows about science? Studies have shown? What studies? The ones you pulled out of your underside?"
By the way, when you address our governor in such a disrespectful manner, it makes me want to whip ALL your sides!
Bye bye • 18 hours ago
'We're supposed to take someone seriously who thinks bred as in breeding is spelled the same way as bread as in what you use for a sandwich? Sheesh. "The free market brought about by the constitution …"? Could you explain what that possibly means?'
Maybe I'm just in a fighting mood today, but that comment of yours, Bye bye, makes me want to kick your rear! One litmus test for a liberalprogressive is name-calling, making fun of others, and frequently acting like arrogant jerks-in-general. I am repulsed by your "BREED’S" habit of putting others down.
I find it abhorrent that your crew purports to be for “the little guy,” but your calling card is doing everything in your power to keep that “little guy” exactly where he is – and while you’re doing it, let him know that you are so much better than he is. One of these days, “the little guys” are going to wake up and see who has actually helped them, versus holding them down.
Texas avoided the worst of the residential real estate problems with smart laws against home equity loans and ARMs.
Gov. Rick Perry, please continue insulating and protecting our great state. Similarly, NULLIFY Federal EPA regulation. NULLIFY Federal Water Regulations that are coming. NULLIFY Federal Healthcare if it ever passes. A Constitutional line needs to be drawn in the sand.
and his hair was perfect.
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CO2 is dangerous? Tell it to the trees. Feel free to reduce environmental pontificating by 100%. That'll cut CO2 levels. Maybe we need to outlaw vigorous exercise. All those runners, joggers, & worker-outers are putting out FAR too much CO2. Yoga & Tai Chi people; Yoga & Tai Chi.
ahooooo!
If you had ever taken differential equations or done any computer modeling you would know that catastrophic global warming is a scam. You, Algore and other simple minded unscientific sheep should really STFU
Precisely Monkey Man!!!
nuh uh!! Al told me it was hot today because of my exhaust and exhale…. duhhhhhh globalwarming-tard.
Don't know if anyone will read this, but there are so many things out there that are trying to help the American people defeat all the nonsense coming out of the federal govt. The main one is the group trying to teach and enforce the 10th amendment. I wish the states really DID have the power over the fed, because I think states can take care of themselves.
Everyone always talks about whether Texas or any other states have the "right" to secede. Who really cares if something like this is outlined in the constitution or in some other document? When the colonists revolted and in essence seceded from Great Britain by declaring independence, it wasn't some legal right that was laid out for them. It took defiant action. Enough organized people with resources and a will can do anything they want if they are oppressed.
On a side note, I'd like to see what would happen if Texas did take its 10th amendment rights to the Supreme Court with regards to healthcare or taxation under the guise of an environmental cause. Imagine what would happen if we could be exempt from these bills. This would be much easier than secession. You would find that the people who want to live off the government teat would move elsewhere will hardworking, self sufficient citizens would flock here with the associated commerce.
Glad I'm here!
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