Disputed Science Can Lead to Disastrous Decisions in Copenhagen
by Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX)As President Obama jets off to Denmark for the UN’s climate conference, I hope he will take some time as he flies over the Atlantic Ocean to revisit the science that led him to this trip.
The EPA sure didn’t.
Last week, unelected officials at the EPA abruptly put an end to honest debate by unilaterally declaring carbon dioxide a “harmful substance” and putting themselves in position to begin regulating emissions from every business and farm in America.

In making this rash decision, they have relied heavily upon findings by climate-change scientists that have been subsequently discredited by the scientists’ own e-mails, which indicate data manipulation and the exile of fellow researchers who didn’t agree with the group’s accepted, foregone conclusions.
As governor of a state that will be unfairly and dramatically impacted by the EPA’s ill-informed decision – one that will cost each Texas family $1,136 annually in higher costs and eliminate as many as 400,000 Texas jobs – this is simply unacceptable.
If EPA officials are prepared to put hundreds of thousands of hardworking Texans out of work, and take nearly $100 a month more out of the pockets of people already struggling to make ends meet, my belief is that they owe these people – at the very minimum – the benefit of making sure the science they’re depending upon is sound.
I said so in a letter I sent to EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson last week as a formal request that the EPA immediately reverse its decision. I haven’t heard anything back, and with President Obama on his way to Copenhagen, I doubt seriously that I will.
It would appear that “looking good” on the world stage has trumped good policy and sound science.
Ignoring the arguments of Texas because we’re the national leader in traditional energies is one thing. But if that’s their position now, the EPA is sadly behind the times.
Over the past decade, Texas has added more wind power than all but four other countries, and tens of thousands of megawatts of new, efficient power plants that use less fuel for each megawatt hour produced. Texans have also pioneered new drilling techniques that have unlocked vast new domestic natural gas supplies and rejuvenated old oil wells, increasing our national security.
Today, Texas air is cleaner, even after many years of a rapidly growing economy and population. We’ve slashed ozone-forming pollutants by nearly half and have made tremendous progress in lowering emissions that actually harm people’s health. But if that isn’t enough for the EPA, maybe they’ll take note that a side effect of all of our efforts has been that our carbon dioxide emissions have fallen by more than nearly every other state and even every country in the world except Germany.
Rather than examine what’s working in Texas and follow our example, the current administration seems intent upon passing massive new energy taxes and draconian regulations, whether through EPA mandate or via equally ill-advised cap-and-trade legislation still pending in the Senate.
This is the surest way to knock America’s struggling economy completely off its feet and forever damage our ability to compete in the global marketplace.
Again, Texans will suffer more than most. We are already seeing major employers delaying or cancelling billion-dollar-plus projects due to uncertainty about what Congress or the EPA might do. That translates into thousands of jobs that won’t be filled, and the loss of much-needed tax revenue for local schools.
It’s just the beginning of the sacrifices Texans will be called upon to make.
Studies have shown that when they open their monthly electricity bill, Texans will have to pay an additional $50 per month, and when they fill up their truck with gas, they’ll have to shell out an additional $16. Texas farms will see significantly higher costs for fuel and fertilizer, and many may be forced to close farms that have been in their families for generations.
Worst of all, these costs will be imposed on our citizens for no benefit. Even setting aside the now-discredited science upon which they’re based, even the EPA has admitted that these massive energy taxes and regulations will have no impact on the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere.
Texas is proof that traditional energy sources can vibrantly coexist with renewable and cleaner emerging technologies and that free markets and limited government are far more conducive to job growth, energy security, and fostering new technology than the Washington way.






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Maybe if 5 major states threaten to secede from the Union that will get someone's attention in DC. Just a thought…..
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I know it's a silly question but isn't Congress supposed to vote on treaties?
Another word that isn't in style anymore – TREASON.
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Rick Perry knows about science? Studies have shown? What studies? The ones you pulled out of your underside?
Can I be the first to suggest California and Massachesetts?
Governor Perry (my governor) is a very compentant person who has governed well. Texes is one of the least impacted states during this recession.
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At some point the sheer force of public opinion and awareness will kill this totally transpparent godless fear mongering attemt to glogalise the planet. This facade cannot hold up to the bright light of truth.
For the seventh time in the last 100 years there is a snow on the ground around Christmass in Nopenhagen.
Thank you God
Drudge headlines today alone …
House approves $290 billion increase in debt limit…
Obama signs $1.1 trillion spending bill…
House approves $155 billion for 'jobs'…
I would agree, but as a Californian, I no longer consider this a major state. We should be in debtors prison now…..
That is really silly. You guys who read the Constitiution and believe everything you read are so un-enlightened.
Well you could do a google search on Cap and Trade and read them yourselves, but how about this one.
http://www.window.state.tx.us/finances/captrade/t...
It is from the Texas Comptrollers office, you know the people that work for this Governor. So when he says "studies" he means he assigned people in his goverment to analyze the different studies and provide him with data. Rather than just "What Studies?"
Or this one.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/energyandenviron...
"Ignoring the arguments of Texas because we’re the national leader in traditional energies is one thing. But if that’s their position now, the EPA is sadly behind the times."
I guess some of your representatives are being the times as well Perry. These are the following representatives from Texas who voted for cap and trade in the House: Cuellar, Doggett, Gonzalez, Al Green, Gene Greene, Hinojosa, Jackson-Lee, Eddie Johnson, Reyes. This represents approximately 28% of House Representatives from Texas who voted for this bill. Maybe they didn't get your memo.
Oh yes, thank you god. And eternal thanks to Jack in the Beanstalk. Jack and god … two peas in a pod.
Did you go to the link and read the multiple reports posted?
Your original post was What Studies?
Well, I showed you a source for some of those studies and to my reading, none came out of his underside.
And frankly, your point about " He told them what he wanted and, can you believe it, that's what they told him." is exactly why some of us doubt the AGW bull in the first place. So thank you for making our point in the first place.
Prove the data before we spend the money.
Once again, a democratically controlled government that overtly goes out of their way to ignore the facts in an effort to promote their own political agenda. The facts don't matter to these people, all they care about is increasing the size and power of government to control it's people. Another shining example of what we as voters need to do this year, and every election year here after.
Oh yes, thank you god. And eternal thanks to Jack in the Beanstalk. Jack and god … two peas in a pod.
I'm sure it must be difficult for you, watching your belief system flushing down the toilet. Note if you live in the northern hemishpere iit is swirling in a clockwise direction. It's science man not relegion, deal with it…
LOL
You are quite ignorant.
If you don't believe cap and trade will raise energy prices you are beyond willfully ignorant, given the people pushing this through have admited as much.
Also this will be done at no benefit because,…
…If you believe in man made global warming after Climategate you are beyond willfully ignorant again. You are creating a religion at of liberalness, deceit, and deception. I pray to God to smite you for your quest for deceit.
It is a good thing you are mocking a post on it getting colder, because where you'll be going is going to be real warm.
So you think the constitution is stupid. I think you need to move to Europe or something.
Sounds like an Obama tactic to me
I can vouch for the wind power stuff in Texas. I use to work up and down the 45 North corridor and would see the massive blades on the back of trucks headed up the road. Fairly often as well.
Rick I hope this means you are going to fight all this phony global warming crap. Your state and country are counting on you to not just say what we want to hear. This is yet another redistribution of wealth program. We owe other countries NOTHING. Maybe if there citizens were not enslaved they could get somewhere.
Don't let us down Rick and thanks for the article.
It's becoming more unbelievable each day what this administration is trying to impose on us. Where does it end?
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The simple fact that we have a potus who would waste his time and our money going to the summit tells the world just how pathetic and denutted this country has become.
No republican in Texas voted for cap and trade.
Of course democrats voted for it. You @#$%ing dumb@$$.
Bottom line to every jack@$$ on these comments… Texas has hardly been hit by the recession. Maybe we know what we're doing here, oh also we're mostly conservitive. The states that are doing the worst in the recession are super liberal states…. maybe the liberals don't know whaty they are doing.
Oh snap, of course logic is far beyond a religious fanatic, if they were capable of logic they'd understand why their economic policies were so stupid. They could also just be stupid and at least be sane, where the definition of insanity is doing the same thing that has been done several times and gotten different results. I mean we're moving towards economic policies that more or less mirror things that occured in japan that led to their lost decade, but for @#$%s sake liberals are probably too dumb to know any economic history or facts about anything because they are so @#$%ing dumb.
To the conservitives: don't tell me to be nice and just logically debate liberals. The time for talk has ended. They have shown themselves to purposfully ignore facts and reason to meet their own view of a false reality like a zealot. @#$% them all time to take the country back, not with or without them… just without them.
Secede Governor Perry.
"As governor of a state that will be unfairly and dramatically impacted by the EPA’s ill-informed decision – one that will cost each Texas family $1,136 annually in higher costs and eliminate as many as 400,000 Texas jobs – this is simply unacceptable."
I have two problems with this passage:
1 – Any Democrat worth his worthless demagogic soul would not have settled for "this is simply unacceptable" – it would have been something more along the lines of "this is an outrage against the working people of this country being perpetuated by dishonest scientists pursuing an agenda paid for and pushed by greedy special interests!"
2 – Grammar grammar grammar! Cut out the middle of the sentence and you get "As governor of a state that will be unfairly and dramatically impacted by the EPA’s ill-informed decision… this is simply unacceptable." I don't know the exact term for this, but something doesn't modify or link to the subject, no?
Mind you, I'd still vote for Perry if he ran for president…
Uh, hey Rick, are you aware that the Supreme Court in 2007 ruled CO2 as a pollutant and directed EPA to re-examine its policy? EPA under Bush took no action because, in their words, there was "substantial scientific uncertainty." This of course was a lie, because every national and international science body in the world concurs that humans are causing most of the observed global warming.
You don't know anything about "disputed science" but are instead posturing on right-wing political grounds. You talk about "now-discredited science." Hello…emails do not prove that science was falsified. Where are the actual studies that were falsified? You're adopting the same old logical fallacies and spin that only works in echo chambers this one.
That's just like the White House giving the CBO numbers for this healthscare scam and getting what they want out of it. The CBO can only work with the numbers it's given. So what's your point?
If the "science" has been manipulated to achieve a certain outcome and data has been eliminated because it didn't "fit" their pre-coceived diagnosis, the "science" is considered flawed. Since these GW pushers refuse to debate the issue, they obviously can't debate it and therefore have something to hide. I can't believe liberals like yourself would like to part with your hard-earned money for some moneymaking scam for certain bureaucrats, corporations and banana republics salivating at the trough. Of course, perhaps you have a vested interest in the outcome. That would make sense. Or you're just terribly partisan and equally gullible.
Wow! How generous of President Obamba to give 100 BILLION play money to Third World despot. Would Hugo Chavez invest this money building AK-103 and cartridge plants and create 1500 jobs in Caracas?
I'm sure it must be difficult for you, watching your belief system flushing down the toilet… Note, if you live in the northern hemishpere iit is swirling in a clockwise direction. It's science man not religion, deal with it…
LOL
Mary Bono voted for Cap & Trade in CA because there's a wind farm in her district of Palm Springs, so she had a vested interest. This is just as big if not a bigger scam than healthcare, which is really a payoff to the unions and malpractice lawyers. The Bamster's good friend at the Chicago Climate Exchange was made the only authorized dealer of carbon credits. I can only imagine who's buying 'em up…Soros, Immelt, Gore, etc. with probably a little sumpin' sumpin' for the dealmaker-in-chief. They stand to make a fortune in this $145 trillion hoax.
If by doing so, they might in any way, see themselves affilitated with Texas, the answer is NO!
Viva la Revolution!
Living in Texas since 85, I would vote for succession in a heart beat.
And a huge part of the problem in this country!
open your mind, not your mouth.
Ditto.
Plant life requires CO2, and in the process of photosynthesis releases pure O2 into the atmosphere. Nature will balance itself out, and in the presence of richer CO2 concentrations, plants will grow faster and produce more O2. I'd have thought you tree-huggers to be more sensitive to the plight of plants.
EPA ruling is ridiculous. Who will stand up for the plants??!!??
good old bean pole barrack needs to go to europe to get his ego stroked by a bunch of hynotized libs, its not about saving planet earth its about shakeing down those with wealth, its the only thing our dip prez knows, and he thinks hes a good caring person, what a friggin tool
Hahahahahaha…sorry, couldn't help myself.
So its colder in the country than in the city. Climatologists cherry picked the data, they ignored rural temp data in russia.
So its colder in the country than in the city. Climatologists cherry picked the data, they ignored rural temp data in russia.
I think that Texas should recede. They should become a part of Mexico. They like the cheap labor. As for me I like to pay a fair wage for a fair days work. This is an absurd idea to most conservatives I know. They favor tax breaks for the rich and low wages for the working poor.
There you go, making me snort coffee out my nose again….
Louisiana stands at the ready, Rancher. These morons move on their AGW-based communism and we're looking at 25 percent unemployment. That's worth seceding over.
"He told them what he wanted and, can you believe it, that's what they told him."
Sounds kinda like the AGW movement's "studies."
I had already thought about this. Greenies must be so conflicted! Uh…except Greenies that stand to make billions and trillions of greenbacks!
You mean like Al Gore knows about science. What did Al Gore said on how many million degrees core of the earth? Or the Artic will be totally melted in 5-7 years?
That's because all the Republicans are owned by big oil and those who voted for them are stupid enough to believe their BS or rich enough to own oil stocks. The Republican party is a thing of the past as the old racists bastards die.
"Plant life requires CO2, and in the process of photosynthesis releases pure O2 into the atmosphere. Nature will balance itself out, and in the presence of richer CO2 concentrations, plants will grow faster and produce more O2. I'd have thought you tree-huggers to be more sensitive to the plight of plants.
EPA ruling is ridiculous. Who will stand up for the plants??!!?? "
Conservative Joe, I had also thought about this. Greenies must be so conflicted! Uh…except Greenies who stand to make billions and trillions of greenbacks!
Obama wants to use the threat of the EPA to extort the passage of cap and trade. Two can community organize. Congress, particularly some of the democrats who have been treated so kindly by the administration's thugs and gangster politics, needs to grow a set and propose legislation to de-fund the EPA. I believe that it is called "check" in chess. But then Congress needs to have the guts to pull the trigger, so to speak.
You had better check your sources again! There are more scientist and PHD.'s who say the science is unsettled and has no proof that it's human caused if any. In fact there are more studies and full reports from highly respected climatologist, that any warming is anything but normal.
The IPCC,GISt and any affiliations to them have cooked and cherry picked their data. This pure political agenda alright.. all far left and socialistic. So instead of trying to spread your BS that nobody believes… get your facts straight!
Ok, if CO2 is a toxic pollutant, I agree that you should quit exhaling.
Tell me another
Looks like you might be suffering from governor envy
JPA · 31 minutes ago
Uh, hey Rick, are you aware that the Supreme Court in 2007 ruled CO2 as a pollutant and directed EPA to re-examine its policy? EPA under Bush took no action because, in their words, there was "substantial scientific uncertainty." This of course was a lie, because every national and international science body in the world concurs that humans are causing most of the observed global warming.
You don't know anything about "disputed science" but are instead posturing on right-wing political grounds. You talk about "now-discredited science." Hello…emails do not prove that science was falsified. Where are the actual studies that were falsified? You're adopting the same old logical fallacies and spin that only works in echo chambers this one.
Sorry. Try again. Climategate is here to stay, and you just wishing it wasn't so will not change it. The leaked emails prove that the data was fudged, massaged, and in some cases made up garbage. The emails also prove that these 'scientists' gamed the peer review process and demonized opposition.
The science is NEVER 'settled'. If it is, it is not science, it's politics.
Meanwhile, you just go ahead and plug your ears and pretend you can't hear. I do not claim the AGW is not real. I don't know if it is or if it is not. I do know that politics is not science and computer models and tree ring evidence is not science.
youre not to brite are you, 'fair' is an elastic term, its meaning is subjective. a free market allows people to freely choose what wage they will work for. conservatives favor tax breaks for everyone and allowing business' to decide what wage to pay workers not the govt. intervening and deciding. If you ever have your own business you might understand
whats the point of that? it would only lighten the debt load and bo would 'say look my plan works.'
get back up barneys butt, tell me
I have always supported Kay Bailey Hutchison in her climb from state jobs to the U.S. Senate. I was always proud to vote for her.
But, I will be voting to keep Governor Perry in office! KBH should attempt to stay in the Senate – and make sure she is voting in accordance with those who elected her.
Governor Perry, continue to stand for the native Texas principles that made our beloved state mighty. It’s great that Texas is a place where others want to move and grow their businesses. But, we must not allow them to turn Texas into the states they left.
Well, I am glad to see that you are against illegal immigration. Now, if you could just convince the other Dems not to try to buy future elections by granting amnesty to all the illegals. Of course, that would upset the SEIU crowd, who are counting on rebuilding their union coffers, and increasing personal power, by amnesty.
How does O2 balance out CO2? Only one is a greenhouse gas. And just because SOME plants grow more with increased CO2, that doesn't mean that rapid global warming (in geologic terms) is good for ecosystems. Your statement was a typical fallacy.
I actually don't really agree with it being called a pollutant because it does not have acute toxicity as other chemicals do, but the fact remains that EPA was directed by the SC and had to comply, and Rick Perry ignores this.
No, I'm sure policy makers will continue to rely on facts and science rather than flat-earth ideology.
I know that some of you right-wing nuts would like the idea of people dying to further your political agenda, but we've moved on from the Dark Ages buddy.
So in your mind, emails "prove" that data was fudged. You "know" this without even looking at the data in question. Amazing, you must be a psychic.
btw, science is settled when there is this thing called CONSENSUS, which is what you call it when every science body in the world agrees, as well as the vast majority of scientists in that particular field.
Hi John. I would love to see a flat tax with an elimination of all tax breaks for all people of the U.S. Then, once we pay down the debt, most Federal taxes can be slowly phased out.
Can we leave the Union yet?
Since you've figured out the hoax, Jacey, why don't you get in on it?
WHOOOOOSH!!
That was the sound of DumbQuestion's comment soaring over Matt's head.
No we haven't. You can't be a good right winger and not live in an alternative universe.
Matt, sorry I was being completely sarcastic with "RightWingStuff". I was trying, apparently not successfully to poke fun at people whho think reading and adhering to Constitution is radical or antiquated. My actual views are same as RightWingStuff. I apologize if I offended anyone with my bad attempt at humor.
Do you remember the country song, written and sung beautifully by Barbara Mandrell, which says, “I was country, when country wasn’t cool?” Well, some people began disputing the global warming theory before most people knew it existed.
Our son was one of those. He is a brainiac, who has always taken things apart to see how they worked, and he is the most focused person I have ever had the privilege of knowing. He is usually right about things, and that can lead to some rather interesting parenting experiences. He wound up with an MBA and a Computer Engineering degree.
Anyway, he began talking about the global warming theory’s being based upon false science years ago – when most people would have said, “Global WHAT?” We probably said that ourselves.
He got all excited and produced graphs and spent quite a while explaining it all to us. Or TRYING to explain it to us – it all seemed so foreign at the time. But everything he showed us has been in the news lately, and we see through the deception, because he explained it so well long ago. Global warming is based on false data. Our son said so.
The emails don't prove the data was fudge but the 160 MB of fortran source code released with the emails absolutely prove the data was fudged. Actually they prove that much of the results were flat out faked. You don't have to be a scientist to know this, just a halfway decent computer programmer to know this. Its like a detective trying to fake DNA and having every DNA lab tech in the nation say the results are faked even when they don't know anything about the crime.
So, you obviously don't know when to quite beating the dead horse called global warming.
Hmm, yes, and is your son a climatologist?
If I were a chemist, I wouldn't try to say the civil engineer's bridge plans are wrong.
You need to get out more.
Exactly!!
OK, so now computer source code is going to prove that studies appearing in scientific journals are fraudulent? That's pretty creative. Until we reexamine the actual studies in question, you guys are pissing in the wind.
Even if you took out everything CRU was involved in, there is a mountain of other evidence pointing to human-induced warming and at least three separate, independent temperature records and models. The fallacies just flow endlessly from you folks.
He's a brainiac. That's an all-purpose category. Brainiacs know everything.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2009/10/peer-rev...
Here is a website listing ~500 papers in peer-reviewed journals that dispute man-made global warming. Please read at least a few before commenting further.
It's always fun when the Al Goreacle, eco-Marxists talk about the science, or I should say lack there of (certainly no lack of "bad" science in the Global Warming/Climate Change/What's next now… camp).
Not withstanding that the CRU email and data file leak isn't already bad enough, I know, Al Goreacle said that these were hacked by deniers, and are irrelevant anyway, since they're all 10 years old (nothing to see here, just move along). Surprising then that many are only 2 months old, and that the information appears to be the work of a whistle blower. And of course that it is typically the practice of legitimate science to withhold data, destroy data and manipulate data, as long as it is all for "social justice" (aka: redistribution of wealth and the end of capitalism).
continued:
Nevertheless, "Climategate" is old news, lets move on to the latest AGW scams, and pending "denier" actions:
1. Darwin zero report shows manipulated temperature data:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/the-smoking...
2. CEI threatens suit against NASA for 3 year old FOIA request, demanding release of climate data:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2400667/...
3. Russian IEA releases report of temperature and data manipulation by CRU:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole...
4. DOE issues "Litigation Hold Notice" regarding CRU emails and documents:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/14/doe-sends-a...
5. CEI files suit against EPA endangerment finding (can you say "full disclosure" of all publically funded climate data sets, including but not limited to: CRU, EAU, NASA, NOAA, et.al.)
http://cei.org/news-release/2009/12/07/cei-will-f...
Ah, but you have broken one of your oldest liberal rules. How do you know I am a "Buddy?"
contiuned:
6. and last but not least, the Great Goreacle dodging questioners and those pesky debators:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704...
No scam has ever been as gigantasmic as AGW. Look at Copen-Haagen-Dass this week, the Marxists speaking nothing about alternative energy, or God forbid science (might have to acknowedge "Climategate"), only about how much money they can get the West, that means the US, to pony up for our CO2 indebtness. How about the rest of the world pays us for eradicating disease, or for our agricultural technology, or basically lifting the entirity of humankind out of the stone age? Nope, not going to happen with the moron we have for a President, he and Pelosi and Reid thank that bankrupt California should be the model for our country, not TEXAS!
Governor, keep pushing that 10th amendment, that may be our only hope!
Good job Jersey, you basically mentioned the most liberal Congressional members in Texas that could easily fit in with California liberals. Sheila Jackson Lee pushed for there to be Congressional honoring of Michael Jackson, a friggin pop singer who only avoided being convicted of child molesting by paying off the victim and victim's family. These are your shining examples of reason because they supported Cap and Tax?!?!
http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/full_tex...
Texas rancher, I agree with you. I like KBH very much and am proud of her record in the senate, but she just doesn't have the bite that Perry has. I feel he's cacky, arragant, and a pit bull when it comes to standing up the washington.
It looks like we are going to get into a dog fight with the EPA and Obama and we need a pit bull fighting for us. Kay, God love her, is a poodle that will be too scared to throw the "secede" card on the table.
No, he makes WAYYYYYYYY more money than a Climatologist.
Of course, that is assuming said Climatologist didn't invest in "Green" technologies and Carbon offset theories.
I think the EPA could save us a lot of money by just being disbanded. Wonder if they have a clue about what is coming there way…
I love to touch myself in front of the mirror, is that wrong?
Well I know there is a few mid-west states that will join
And we got the FOOD
I suppose you dont believe that Aliens landed in the desert and are controlling the government either?
You GOP types are so clueless!
Thats a bunch of bull! Labor may be cheap, but so is cost of living. We have low taxes on EVERYONE! The whole "tax the rich" montra is actually tax 75% of all small business in this country because thats who you are calling "the rich". I am technically one of those "working poor" you speak of and I still have work here in Texas.
We would rather secede than become part of the USSA! Keep your soul bankrupting socialism and marxist theology and we'll keep our liberty, free market, and high standerd of living.
I am a typical fallacy, that's what my mother used to call me anyway, but I do love Java!
I love myself
I asphyixiate myself all the time, usually in front of a mirror, want to watch
Wow your sexy, want to meet in a mens room?
Ok. Your invited. Wisconsin can bring the beer. This is apparently a hot issue. We might have enough people to start our country over again. Or create one hell of a PR nightmare for this Administration.
Sounds like you and M. Mann are BFF's
I don't have a problem voting for seccession at this point either. Texas receives just $.70 for every dollar we send to washington. Were better off keeping it.
Not so much. The SC said that CO2 meets the definition "air pollutant" as it is defined by the Clean Air Act (not necessarily science) which "embraces all airborne compounds of whatever stripe". In addition to which the SC said that the only way the EPA could regulate it under the Clean Air Act was if it was listed as a "danger" by an endangerment finding by the EPA which is the only way the EPA could regulate it by moving the CO2 from simply "an air pollutant" to an actual "danger". Lo and behold, the EPA did exactly that. The Clean Air Act has broadly defined criteria to snare things within its scope, and the EPA has too many broad powers that have little in the way of check and balance outside of its own internal structure. Basically the SC only said how CO2 can be ruled based on the way lawmakers wrote the Clean Air Act, and what the powers of the EPA under that Act are. The EPA has been salivating ever since to get it pushed through.
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