Impact of Presidential Approval on Mid-Term Elections
by Ron NehringBarack Obama’s public approval rating has dropped to as low as 47% in the last week, according to Gallup. Although the President will not appear on the ballot again until 2012, how the public views his presidency will have a direct impact on each party’s performance in next year’s mid-term elections.

The party holding the White House has lost seats in 10 of the last 12 mid-terms, going back to President Kennedy’s 1962 losses. Even in that year, with a 74% approval rating following the resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis, Kennedy’s Democrats lost seats in the House. Historically, the public uses mid-term elections to correct for the perceived excesses of the party in power, while the absence of coattail effects may result in some seats reverting back to the party with the natural advantage in the district.
IMPACT ON CONGRESSIONAL RACES. The magnitude of the net losses suffered by the President’s party in Congress has been in direct, inverse proportion to the President’s public approval rating on Election Day. The party in control of the White House suffered the most in 1966, 1974 and 1994 when the incumbent’s approval ratings were all under 50%. High approval ratings of President Clinton in 1998 (66%) and President Bush in 2002 (63%) helped the governing party gain seats in those two years — a historical aberration.
IMPACT ON STATE RACES. The spillover effect of Presidential approval directly impacts state legislative contests as well. The magnitude of losses suffered by the President’s party in legislative races has been similar to those in Congressional contests. The public has demonstrated it will hold state legislative candidates of the President’s party accountable for the President’s actions. The same three cycles when incumbent Presidents were at their lowest mid-term approvals also saw the greatest net loss of state legislative seats for the President’s party. Lyndon Johnson’s Democrats lost 762 legislative seats in 1966 when Johnson’s approval stood at 49%. Republicans lost 628 seats with Richard Nixon at 47% in 1974. While Republicans took control of Congress in 1994 due in part to Bill Clinton’s 46% approval, Democrats also lost 514 state legislative seats that year.
AVERAGE LOSSES. When the President’s approval rating has been above 60% on Election Day, the average net loss has been zero House seats and 15 state legislative seats. At between 50% and 59%, the President’s party has on average lost 12 House seats and 217 legislative seats. And an approval rating under 50% has typically resulted in a wipeout of 41 House and 477 state legislative seats lost by the President’s party. Barack Obama’s approval rating within the last week has hovered between 47% and 50% in Gallup’s surveys.
Presidential approval ratings alone are unlikely to result in any lopsided district changing parties. However, the impact in marginal districts (such as those held by Democrats but won by John McCain in 2008) can potentially be sufficient to impact the final outcome.





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It was -19 on Decmeber the 13th. I'm waiting for -30 which will come sooner than anybody thinks.
Uh OH!
It appears judging by the graph, Obunghole is getting redlined. I sure hope he has good Healthcare………
1994 repeat!
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I hope like hell that the Republicans are also marginalized at the polls along with the Democrats, the time for thrid and fourth parties has come, let's send them 25 libertarians to congress and have "THE PEOPLE" be a political force to be reckoned with.
Butcher, Baker, Candlestick maker.
I wonder if he can hear the "Pull Up … Pull Up" warning indicator screaming in his ear when he looks at that chart.
Are you kidding, Obama is already fast becoming political poison- that's why they can't pass ObamaCare. And independents can't stand him-
By 2012, most people will wince at the very mention of the name "Obama"- and the GOP could win 40 states running Gilbert Gottfried, LOL
http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com...
the lower the polls sink – the more intense and outrageous the rhetoric will become.
Obama sucks.
With only 44% even somewhat approving, which is the lowest he has ever been.
The -12 is YESTERDAY'S Ras figure. Today, Obama is at -13.
Fringe parties NEVER have worked, in America and NEVER shall.
And NO LOSERTARIANS, thank you very much. I do prefer my candidates to not have a party platform that advocates that 10 year olds be given the vote and other such nutty things; not to mention the fact that every single Libertarian candidate, for anything, has gotten crazier and crazier, through the years.
I bet you LOVED the Libertarian who turn his skin blue. LOL
And please dpn't even think of posting that canard about what Reagan stated.
Many incumbent Dems see the writing on the wall and are retiring at a record early pace.
I am not advocating for the Libertarian party, I should have made that clear. But the Republicans have lost their way.
Please refer to a dictionary, look up the term libertarian and then get back to me.
Don't "refer" me to anything!
In the mid 1970s, I was menaced by a drug addled tramp looking guy, on the street, trying to hand me Libertarian bumph. And yes, I do mean "meanaced"!
For the past dozen years I have debated both big and little L libertarians on various forums on line. I've read their party platform several times over. I also know what small L libertarians stand for/don't stand for and the variations amongst them are breath taking.
Don't lecture me and please don't advocate something that you clearly know very little about. ;^)
I love how liberals diss Rasmussen. Rasmussen was the most accurate predictor of the Pres election in 2008, and possibly in 2004. They wail and cry that Rasmussen is a hack pollster, but I guarantee you in the next election it will be THE most watched poll.
Whats funny is how many think those who consider themselves conservative are part of the republicants. Got news for you republicants you on your way out too! All incumbents are going by by and will be replaced by red blooded good ol American men and women who care about this country and not whose getting paid favors in the shadows…. IF the zombies wake up!
Check out newly released tactic #2 it is crucial in stopping DC http://www.savingtherepublic.com
Your point about Republicans are valid. We need to change the Republican party, and force them towards conservatism. I made the mistake in ’92 of voting for Perot, big mistake. But it did prove that Americans, are, and have been less than satisfied with Washington status-quo.
Get right or get gone! 2010 is going to be a monumental correction of Washington politics. If you’re in the political business don’t make long term plans. If you’re a leftist parasite, you may have to get a job yet.
Rasmussen is hated by the left because they only measure likely voters. Many polls like Gallup measure adults, several polls do registered voters, but Rasmussen asks questions to reasonably discern if who they are polling is a likely voter. Since the likely voter tends to be more informed than the masses in general, Rasmussen usually has a higher showing for the right than the other polls. This earns them the distinction of being one of the more accurate polling groups, and get the distinction of being the "right-wing" pollster in the eyes of the left.
This can't be right. Didn't Obama give himself a GRADE OF B+!!! The poll numbers would indicate he is failing!
Well keep in mind it can be off by 2-3% or some percentage based on the math they used. It says that in fine print normally. So it could be a little high one day and a little low the other day based off the sample selected that time.
BMartin is right on the money. RINOS, we know who you are and we are comming to get you…, The earmarks are going to bite you right in the ass. this third party Tea Party thing is not your father's third party. Thanks to sites like the one you mentioned, Saving the Rebuplic, American Majority Incorporated, Club For Growth, Judicial Watch, and Freedom Works, to name just a couple, we know what time it is. You are about to see a ruthless army of conservative community activism on the ground in 2010 never before seen… We want our country back!
Sorry, just checked……….you were right, I was wrong; Barry did hit -19 on the `13th.
Judicial Watch is a fraud and has been for decades.
Don'r wish for a third party; it's a suure way to hand the election to a Dem !
Instead, lets concentrate on bringing the GOP back to where it used to be, before the "moderates" an RINOs got the upper hand.
Rasmussen polls are about as accurate and factual as an episode of Glenn Beck. The poll numbers from Rasmussen usually co-inside with a tea-party rally of some sort. I believe they had Obama losing the 2008 elections in January of 2009.
It looks like Obama's poll numbers are almost as low as Ronald Reagan's were in 1981 and we all know how devastating that turned out for Reagan. Cost him his re-electi…..oh wait…..nevermind.
Funny how you mention Reagan who had an even lower approval rating than Obama in his first year and how politically devastating it was for Reagan when he ran for re-election in 1984. Truly horrible for Reagan's political career and we can expect the same disastrous result for Obama too?
iredcent with all due respect sir you are living in the past, these are perlous times that call for drastic measures. Thirty years ago the Democratic Party was far less radical than it is today. It has since been fundamentally transformed by the Alenskyites and Globalists into the cesspool it is today. The Tea Party is a force far greater than many of us realise, well over a million people on 912, NY23, Rubio are only the first signs. All over the country fine patriotic conservative American citizens are annoncing their candidacy for office in all levels of government.
This aint Ross Perot, Ralph Nader folks, sooner or later people will understand what is happening here, There is a storm of American wrath brewing.. You are about to see the GOPs fundimental transformation on steroids. A new wave of community organisers will be out there campaigning, registering and driving people to polling booths. Let me tell you this, no New Black Panther Party Member will stand for long in front of my polling booth. People want their counrty back! And they are getting ready to take it back.
I can't wait.
Yes, I DO know that. I also know that Obama's approval has historically gone up, inexplicably, on weekend. Now, recently, that figure falls on weekends and raises during the week.
It really should be lower, since now a whole lot fo Dems are mad at him too; not just the independents and GOPers/conservatives.
I believe the 2010 elections will be like no other.
Conservatives have been sitting back taking what comes for too many years now.
2010 is time to turn it around.
Time to shove the liberals down their own throats.
Reagan was a LEADER who BELIEVED in America and its people.
Why on earth a third party is a good idea is beyond me. If Soros and his mob could take over the Democrat Party in 2005, certainly constitutional conservatives could take over the GOP now.
Why start a third party when there's a second party with lots of assets and infrastructure just waiting to be utilized.
Makes zero sense to me why people would get themselves so geeked up over embarking on an impossibly difficult task.
do you have more money the chamber of commerce members if you don't then taking the republican party can't happen.. sorry both parties have been bought and sold..
We've taken enough jabs from the "left" in 2009, it's time for knock-out punch from the "right" in 2010!
the republicans are good at giving amnesty
xh.. the republicans/democrats are one and the same.. there is no saving them..
That has less than nothing to do with this thread.
You're looking for a "fight"; I guess you're bored. Go find someone else to pester; I'm not playing.
.iredcent is just a typical party member.. it has choosen not to know..
http://912communique.ning.com/page/vent-20.. has good people there alot from the old 912..
9/12ers rule !!!!!!!!
Rasmussen had Obama winning and was closer to how the '09 election results were, than any other polling firm. He was also the best in the past several elections; presidential and otherwise.
yes it does..it is amazing 912 puts a million in dc and tea party gets the credit, even though 912 is most of tea..
I saw that. The WSJ said that they're expecting more retirements to be announced after the holidays. Pelosi and Reid are better than term limits.
Your mind is so open, all of your brain has fallen out.
that is funny…there is a guy named L4S just like you.. He has his own save the republican site..
yes it was ! ill rather give the credit to the tea party then the repulican party . because they are the reason that we are in this mess now , they screwed us and now the democrats are going to finish us off .
I'm voting for anyone who would starts investigating corrupt bureaucrats and corrupt politicians No more bloated and corrupt government, please.
no …stang we are going to win this fight one person at a time..If we can put million in washington by word of mouth we can win this fight.. KOMA and KAUT are not the sole land libs now, I just need more ID lib sites to go to continue the fight..
im in !
myna…so am I..
http://912communique.ning.com/page/vent-20..
has good people there fighting to do just that
a thumb?…did the truth make a government party member mad?
The two party system would work just fine if we could keep ACORN and the state-sponsosred media out of the primaries.
koma has a 2nd admendment story worthy of your voice..
"IT's only this low because he's black. This is about hating a black man in the whitehouse"….That rhetoric?
Same song, third(4th?) verse. Oughta get better, but it's gonna get worse…..
Maybe I'm being a bit fatalistic or paranoid here, but it is my sincere fear that there will be no elections next year due to some chaotic "event" and extenuating circumstances. They know they are not popular, but I can't see how they have any intention of letting go of power.
IM THERE !
they don't put much of fight anymore.. now republicans here are different story..I found 5 more L4S types to play with here.
Amnesty really helped the working people.. Those borders never did get under control.. Bo has proven one thing no matter what government does the economy wants to grow.
a thumb?.. typical government party member move.. they fear to face our foes..
they just dont get it do they ? sheeple
I think this is why 912 was a success and republicans are failing.. we are taking all our foes on with the truth.. face to face and word for word.
the aflack duck would win 40 states
bmar.. keep spreading the truth.. the republicans ran from our foes while we the people are facing them.. The republican only see a crowd and want to stand in front of it.. and say follow me.
the republican have done nothing, they fear to face our foes..it is we the people that is changing this country one person at a time.. go to a lib site and change a mind there.. that is how we will take our country back..
Ronald Reagan had a master's degree in economics. Obama is economically illiterate. All he has is the Marxist ideology that was drilled into him from an early age and a hate-on for whitey and the U.S. Let's not forget his innate charm and the ability to BS his way to the top. I think he's too far gone (as in so far to the left that if the real Obama had been known and properly vetted, he never would have been elected. He might swing to the center if he has to in order to get reelected, but I just don't see the electorate falling for his routine a second time. He and his handlers would have to steal it.
If they use TARP money to buy votes, we are screwed. But in spite of that we won, they will be heading down the empty jail house west of Illinois.
In 2010 we'll stimulate a bunch of democrats to take up lobbying. And that's a good thing – their faces will remind the ones in office what will happen to them if they don't listen to the people.
Hopefully – lobbyists will be taking paycuts along with those poor bankers
Ronald Reagan had a PhD in picklehead.
Actually, I think Gil would be a better choice than anybody on the GOP's presidential list.
Obama holds himself to a low level of accomplishment and accountability. He's used to taking credit for others' work.
Don't start a third party. That's EXACTLY what the DEMS want, to split the Repub Party down the middle and the Left will walk right thru to the finish line. Watch for media rhetoric appealing for the start of a 3rd party, most probably an Axelrod plant in cahoots with the LSM.
I’m NOT VOTING-CALL IT VOTER APATHY or whatever you choose! I REFUSE!
You believe wrong.
Ah man, I was hoping for more like -40
You know, the reason that Americans get so freaked out about a 3rd party, is because Ross Perot had so many people on his side, and just bailed at the last minute!!! That does not tend to make one all warm and fuzzy on the inside about 3rd parties…now maybe if Sarah Palin were the one running we might have a stronger person, to follow…she has already had her family attacked..I think she would be like a bull in a China shop!!!
The "TARP" and other slush funds ginned up by this Congress, I strongly suspect, will be kept handy for distribution liberally (in both senses of the word) to those districts and states where the democrat candidates are most in jeopardy of losing their seats.
I also suspect that the thinking populace will be in a mood to send a screaming message to Washington to stop burning our tax dollars and to start living within our means.
It is incumbent upon those of us with half a brain and concern for the economic safety of our Republic to make sure people know that the pork that will start flowing into their districts and communities is nothing more than this slush fund being used for purely political purposes – I have a sense that such use would be illegal, but it might come wrapped up in the guise of "legitimate" government programs.
Such a tactic will be, IMHO, the final slide down the slippery financial slope on which we now find ourselves. Two more years of this obscene spending by people who do not understand Economics 101, or Finance 101, or have a clue that "being tough with banks" (which is just the command economy, "directed lending" practiced by the Soviet Union and its satellites) could conceivably bury us for good.
I am not/not/not prepared to bequeath such a legacy to my children and grandchildren. This is a serious fight, people.
Be damn sure you are registered, that like-minded friends and relatives are registered, and make sure you vote for responsible representation in Washington come next November. Our childrens' futures depend on it.
Only idiots make assumption on the scale you are making them, Good luck with your Republicans, they are the same jerk-offs as the Democrats in a different colored tie with slightly less scary financial backers.
just spreading the truth.. and you are no fight just someone who has closed his mind..
I can't find people that like His Highness O at all and I'm in California! I know plenty who voted for the loser but now they can't stand him.
Yeah, he's already a legend in his own mind!
Pretty darn good analogy.
i suspect that a billion or two from the stimu-less bill have been set aside to buy the 2010 elections. It's the only way they can win.
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And I'm sure you have a triple major in fisting, defecating and urination………
That one actually made me laugh a little, but I do have a soft-spot for infantile humor. Are you six years old or something?
A third party sends the message that we're fed up with the status quo. The democrat/republican system is broken beyond repair. The corruption is too deep, the good ol' boys are too entrenched. Even new, fresh, idealistic, conservative politicians will be pressured by Party leaders once they get to DC. A third party will free the good candidates from party pressure, and allow them to vote with their conscience, not with their affiliation.
We may lose the election if we vote for third parties. But in the long term, candidates will start getting the message. If we continue to vote for the "lesser of two evils", all we'll do is slow the inevitable decline, while voting for a third party just might reverse that decline.
Most pollsters say Rasmussen is the fairest firm out there and the results year after year show they are the most accurate.
The republican party is as rotten as the dems. It's time for a fresh start. When a tree limb is rotting, you cut it off so that the rest of the tree doesn't succumb to the disease. We waited too long, and now the whole tree is sick. It's time to plant a new tree.
It's because the party sucks. The only thing that it has going for it is that it's *less* corrupt than the other party. I'd rather use my vote for something good, rather than something less evil.
I, unlike my elected republican officials, am going to vote with my conscience–not with my party.
i cant believe the 60 minutes reporter didnt say "B+ youve got to be kidding me, then how do you justify all the jobs losses" but i guess the reporter didnt want to ostracize himself from Obamas petty administration
I expect no 2010 election under the guise of a G.W. Bush recently passed Domestic Terrorist Bill!!
the republicans are a third party to a party that doen't exist.. the republicans are playing defense and thus proves why they are not worth of supporting..
"|The two party system would work just fine if we could keep ACORN and the state-sponsosred media out of the primaries."
After observing the crooked, corrupt, dishonest,and iresponsible behavior of the GOP for the last ten years, right up until this last 1.1 trillion treasonous crime BOH just signed is amazing to me that anyone would be willing to consider even a micro second the possibility of quitely accepting the status quo of the two party system. The GOP porked that baby up also, don't kid yourself. Going along quietly voting for the GOP is no different than switching seats on the Titanic. Doing the same hurtfull and dangerous thing over and over again is the true defination of insanity people. Try this analogy would you mary the girl in HS voted most likely to…… Would you be stupid to mary her and expect her to be true? The new 912, Tea Party, Conservative movement sweeping this country is our one last hope…
I too read the WSJ article .
You missed my point about Judicial Watch, or did you just ignore it because you can't refute it ?
No, the GOP isn't as "rotten" as the Dem Party. We can FIX the GOP, if people like you would just stop "FEELING" and educate yourselves about politics. It's because of the UNAPEASEABLES, like you, that many different elections, at all levels go to the damned Dem candidate.
Never heard of that nic, am not familiar with that site, and you are part of the problem,. NOT part of any solution.
Thumbs? no debate? the action of a party member to scared to face the truth.. that is why the republican/democrat are not worth supporting..There are few things more sacred to a republic than representation. The one man one vote and all it’s citizens are represented equally promise. Why isn’t voter fraud hounded out of existence? Voter fraud is a direct assault on our republic, it can kill a nation. There is nothing more fraudulent than gerrymandering and it’s creation of an artificial majority based on party affiliation not representation to silence the dissention of we the people. It is one of the reason our congress does not listen to we the people. Gerrymander is a creation of the government parties to protect their power and to turn representation into re-election.. The parties can not speak of freedom until districts are based on representation not party affiliation.
Only mordant idiots, who know very little about America political history, don't think/just FEEL, and have only a very tenuous grasp of reality could post as you do.
"Most pollsters say" — Uh oh! Sounds like a Fox News line! Most pollsters being Frank Luntz? Well we don't know who the most is because as usual, the specifics of "most" are never listed or provided because the obedient ones know better than to ask.
"Ronald Reagan had a master's degree in economics" — And I'm sure George HW Bush appreciated that Masters Degree in economics when he inherited that recession caused by Reagonomics immense success.
"I do have a soft-spot for infantile humor. Are you six years old or something? " — This coming from gender-questionable people who can't stop obsessing about fisting?
I don't know about judicial watch. I assumed that was directed at wldbil, not me.
And I don't want to fix the republican party. They let me down. They've proved, time and again, that they can't be trusted with power, any more than the dems can. There will be republicans that I will vote for, but my vote will go to them based on their platform, not based on the (R) beside their name. If the candidate with an (L) or a (I) or a (B), (X), or (Q) has a platform more in line with my own, my vote will go to them. That's what elections are about.
No vote is ever wasted. Telling people that is just propaganda that helps mediocre politicians stay in power long after their time is passed.
You replied to my reply.
You don't know a thing about Judicial Watch ? Neither do you know all that much about politics!
Our Founding Fathers set up the government of this nation so that it didn't and never would have a parliamentary system and THAT is a good thing! FYI………..what you are espousing ONLY works in a parliamentary system and even then, not all that well.
Anyone who votes for a fringe party candidate IS throwing away their vote and that isn't "propaganda".
You say that you'd vote for a Dem, but the DEM PLATFORM is something which I bet 1) you don't know what it states 2) you probably disagree with completely, or almost so. HOW IS THAT COMPLYING WITH YOU SAYING THAT YOU'LL VOTE FOR THE CANDIDATE, WHOSE PLATFORM IS MORE IN LINE WITH YOURS?
There are but two Senators who have an I next to their names…….Bernie Sanders, who admits that he is a SOCIALIST and Lieberman. BOTH CAUCUS AND VOTE WITH THE DEMS; THOUGH JOE VOTES WITH THE GOPERS WHEN IT COMES TO WAR/MILITARY STUFF. Independent isn't a PARTY and therefore has NO platform.
I don't want to waste the time or the bandwidth, so I suggest that you do a whole lot of research about politics and how government works, prior to posting your "feelings".
And as we all know, voters are the only ones that count in political polls! Vote early and vote often.
Unemployment up
Foreclosures up
Crime up
Prisoners early release
Cali IOUs
Trillions of dollars unaccounted for
Bankruptcies up
Homeless up
Dollar down
IF you think this conservative backlash, I'll leave the semantics of waht to call it, in your hands, to the progressive insanity in Washington is fringe, than you are no where near as smart as you think you are… Chck back to this exchange in one year and eat your words…SIR LOL
It's THEN, not "than" and you have completely misread/not understood any of my posts at all.
The anger, of the American populace is real; very real indeed, but it covers all spectrums you can name…..socioeconomic, political parties ( to no party affiliation at all ), class, race, religion, race, sex, etc.! Populisim? No, not in the strictest definition of that word. Conservative? Well, it was mostly that, in the beginning, but even then there were those who weren't "conservatives".
A year from now, the GOPers will have most probably have taken both Houses back. Fringe Party candidates? NOPE!
Keep watching the Alphabet news, the world is fine, nothing has changed, keep drinking the Gov't Kool-Aid…
Hi Nathan. I wouldn't say the republicans are as bad as the dems, although they both stink to high heaven. Allow me to propose this analogy to you. The Repubs are chugging along like a steam train, implementing detrimental policies to our country nonetheless.
However, the Dems are on the hot rails to Hell, Flying the vaunted SR-71 as quickly(Mach 3 or even bewtter),in order to implement their policies before their is any debate, scrutiny or likewise to slow the most devious process down so quickly there is no stopping it. The ends will justify the means , in threir warped, twisted minds. I fear we are screwed no matter what, How can we slow the juggernaut that is the NWO behemoth?
Quote me where I said I'd vote for a Democrat. I said I'd vote for the candidate whose platform most closely resembles what I want for my country.
My comments are about corruption, and Republicans are no better than Democrats in that respect. I'd like to end the corruption, and I think that that's going to be impossible as long as the young idealists have their hands tied by party affiliation.
All Americans should care more about their country, and less about their party.
You're a political naif!
Every pol, as long as there have been politicians, in this country, has had some corrosive gene that would allow them to be intimidated and/or "bought off".
In the beginning, before there were political parties, there WERE political parties…..the Federalists and the anit-Federalists.
Without political parties, per se, the president was the man who got the most votes, the VEEP was the man who garnered the second most votes. THAT DIDN'T WORK OUT SO WELL AND AFTER JEFFERSON GOT STUCK WITH AARON BURR, THINGS CHANGED TO WHAT THEY ARE TODAY !
Of course we don't like corruption, but your "solution" is not only ignorantg and childish, but patently ridiculous and stupid.
Okay, so you wouldn't vote for a Dem; that means that you would and/or have voted for some moronic fringe party candidate, I guess. That's NOT the answer either!
Go read a whole lot of history and see what doing THAT gets ya. ;^)
It gets this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York%27s_23rd_co...
"The Republican Party nominated State Assembly member Dierdre Scozzafava, who withdrew from the race three days before the election and endorsed the Democratic candidate." [emphasis mine]
And you're saying I should continue to mindlessly, faithfully support the Republican party? The "moronic fringe party candidate" garnered 46% of the vote. That sends a message to Republican politicians. "Give us the conservativism we want, or we will not vote for you. There is no longer any security in carrying an (R) next to your name."
Your suggestion is to vote for a party that has consistently let down its constituents with soft-line attitudes, aisle-crossing appeasement, and broken promises to end pork-barrel legislation. Just as an abused woman goes back to her husband time and again after he promises he'll change, so too have American Conservatives returned to the Republican Party. Enough is enough. It's time to leave, once and for all–and it's time for us to seek something better than the Republican party. My loyalty and my vote, go to the USA, not to the GOP.
That was at the LOCAL level, the nation just went along, until there was a hue and cry.
What………………..you believe that the RNC vets every single candidate, for every single race, all of the nation? And there was NO primary, Scuzzyfuzzy was "anointed" by THREE members who told the rest of the committee to shove it.
You're picking an unusual, extremely rare happenstance as though it were something that is a constant thing. Good GOD……………..get a grip!
Don't even go to the WHIGS ( since that party broke apart when the GOP was began and the first time the GOP ran candidates, they all lost ), but historically, NO, not a single time, has a fringe party candidate has EVER won a national race.
LIEberman doesn't count, since he rand as a DEM Independent ( in other words, as a DEM ! ) and Bernie Sanders says he's a SOCIALIST, though he has an I next to his name.
Wanna talk about Bloomberg? I can refute you, re him, as well.
Teddy Roosevelt lost and he had been president !
Go ahead………………..throw away your vote, stay home, whatever………you aren't intelligent nor knowledgeable enough to be allowed to vote anyway.
FYI……………………………I bet you agree with at least 90% of the GOP platform, so you're fooling yourself/lying about what you've claimed. ;^)
So because I don't necessarily endorse the candidate that YOU think I should, I'm too stupid to vote? No wonder America is going to hell in a handbasket. You sound more like an SEIU member than a Republican.
So much for the free exchange of ideas. Hell, why have elections at all? Just let a computer program vote a straight ticket on behalf of everyone with a party affiliation and call it a vote. Take all that campaignin' money and turn it into kickbacks for the mistress..es.
Local level? That was an election for the United States House of Representatives. You know, the thing that Pelosi runs? The Chamber that's responsible for getting healthcare reform started? The RNC should have vetted the candidates. That it didn't proves a lack of leadership or at least a failure in planning. That Hoffman's near victory is being discounted proves that Republican leadership doesn't care about conservative principals. I'm not going to be a republican sheep, and vote for the same empty promises. Act like a conservative and I'll vote for you. An (R) is no longer enough.
You don't have any reading comprehension skills, at all, do you?
Get someone to explain what I have written to you, previously; you appear to be incapable of understanding the written English word and I'm not going to try to educate you again.
American has gone to hell in a handbasket, because of people like you!
Free exchange of ideas? Does THAT mean, according to you, that I'm not allowed to disagree with you and must, therefore, not refute and repudiate your cockeyed, uneducated posts/ideas? Now who sounds like an SEIU thug? THAT WOULD BE YOU !
That's kind of how I fell too, and I posted a similar analogy somewhere else. IMO, the way to stop and reverse the decline is to fill government positions with people who care more about their country than their party or themselves–people who will serve two or three terms and then get the hell out before they become corrupt.
I think right now, anyone on a Republican or Democrat ticket is going to have the entire weight of the party bearing down on them, forcing them to toe the party line, enticing them to serve themselves first, their party second, their district third, and their country seventh or eighth, if at all.
Voting for the candidate who you agree with, rather than the one you think is "not as bad as the other guy" is a start. If all the available candidates suck, then deal with it for one term, and next election year, run yourself as a candidate. If you think you'll serve your country better, go out there and try.
People like me attend the Tea Parties. People like me contact our elected officials through every channel available to let them know how we stand on the issues. People like me are fighting to make our voices heard.
The Republican party isn't listening. Is that thuggery? I'll wear that label with pride.
As a side note, and without malice, may I offer some constructive criticism? If you want to sway independent voters, you'll really need to work on how you argue a case. Insulting the person you're trying to convince is a bad idea. Fact checking is a good one (See your whig comment, and check your history book. Two party system of 1830ish=Democrat and Whig. Fringe third party, but growing fast=Republican). Kindness and caring are a lot better at converting skeptics than telling them to "Toe the line or to Hell with you!"
People like me, have been donating time, money, and effort to help elect good candidates for most of their lives; even before they were of voting age. people like me were writing letters and calling politicians before you knew your ABCs. People like me show up at Tea Party meets and marches; even being the ones who get them started. People like me, were fighting the fight, sometimes as an army of one, for many decades, long before there was right of center national talk radio shows and cable ones.
There's little to no point in "showing kindness" to those who refuse to listen! You've proved, many times over, that whatever I might post, you WILL ignore the salient points.
Many people always throw up the irrational, ignorant garbage that the GOP was a "fringe party"; it wasn't. Most of the original GOP was made up of Whigs, who, with anti-slavery Know-Nothings formed a party that was a major party forcing the Whigs onto fringe territory, composed of leftovers and the Know-Nothings weren't abolishionists.
The GOP is NOT going to fall, now, for some new fringe party movement; that's just the way it is. What needs to be done, is for the GOP to grow stronger……..with Tea Party folks helping at the local level, and becoming candidates.
Scuzzyfuzzy was running as an R ( yes, yes, she wasn't/isn't one and neither was Bloomy, before he switched back to being a Dem and then an Indie ), but you said that you'd only vote for candidates whose political party's platform you agreed with. See how silly a statement that is? It means that YOU would have voted for Scuzzyfuzzy.
Perhaps it is YOU, who need to think before you post and use "kind words".
You don't see the parallels? Many people always throw up the irrational, ignorant garbage that the GOP was a "fringe party"; it wasn't. Most of the original GOP was made up of Whigs, who, with anti-slavery Know-Nothings formed a party that was a major party forcing the Whigs onto fringe territory, composed of leftovers and the Know-Nothings weren't abolishionists.
The new conservative party is made up mostly of republicans and some independents–it's becoming a major party that will force Republicans into fringe territory.
I am listening to you; it's just your arguments aren't strong enough to convince me.
Okay, let me break this down for you, as simply as is humanly possible.
Once upon a tome, there was a political party called the Whigs.
It was a political party from 1833 to 1856.
The reason it broke down, was the issues of slavery and slavery in territories.
At this time, there was a sort of "party" ( more like a movement, actually ) known as THE KNOW NOTHINGS. I shan't go into this, but I suggest that you research it.
Most of the Whigs were were anti-slavery and most assuredly against allowing the territories/new states to allow slavery, but the internecine warfare, as well as the party losing elections, had politicians LEAVING THE PARTY/GETTING OUT OF POLITICS ( just for a bit ), just about dissloved the party.
This is when the GOP was formed and while they didn't win elections right off the bat, with the election of President Lincoln, it became the other major party.
It became a political party, by attracting MOST of the GOPer pols and having most olf the KNOW-NOTHINGS join it.
THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW THE VOTERS FELT ABOUT THE WHIGS; IT WAS WHAT THE POLITICIANS DID.
Today, there is NO such a thing as "THE TEA PARTY, PARTY".
Today, there are NO politicians aching to join/create such a party.
Today, it is the MSM and a few posters on line, talking about having such a party; the MSM using this to make sure that Obama wins re-election, by splitting the usual GOP voters.
Feel like facing a reply yet coward?
unblock your youtube email and we can discuss your hateful slandering comments directed at me