Raising the Debt Limit: It Just Makes Sense. Not.
by Reason TVSome say the world will end in fire and some say in ice.
But in Washington, a lot of people say it will end if we don’t continually raise the debt ceiling.
The statutory debt limit, or debt ceiling, represents the maximum amount of debt the federal government can carry at any given time. The limit was created in 1917 so that Congress wouldn’t have to vote every time the government wanted to increase the amount of debt (which was becoming a more and more frequent occasion). Since then, the Treasury Department has had the authority to issue new debt up to whatever the limit is to fund government needs. Last year, the limit was raised to $14.3 trillion, an amount that is about to reached.
As it approaches, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has said failing to raise the limit would likely mean the U.S. would default on its debt, creating “real chaos” in place of the fake chaos that’s out there now. Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner has said that failing to raise the limit would be “deeply irresponsible” and and Austan Goolsbee, President Obama’s chief economic adviser, has said that not raising the limit would create “the first default in history caused purely by insanity.”
Eh, maybe.
As Reason columnist and Mercatus Center economist Veronique de Rugy, has pointed out, we’ve maxed out the nation’s credit card in the past without such dire results. In the mid-1980s, the mid-1990s, and in 2002, for instance, the debt limit wasn’t raised for months at a time and the government got along just swell. The government has a big bag of tools it can use, ranging from playing around with the amount of spending that is liable to the limit to prioritizing interest and debt payments over other outlays. Interest on the debt for this year is projected to be about $225 billion and government revenue is expected to be around $2.2 trillion, so the government can easily pay the vig and avoid defaulting.

What it shouldn’t do is simply keep piling on the debt. The limit has been raised no fewer than 10 times in the past decade. When Republicans ran the White House and the Congress, they voted overwhelmingly to charge it and Democrats, including Sen. Obama, hollered bloody murder. In 2006,he called the need to yet again increase the debt limit “a sign of leadership failure.” Now that Dems run the show, the GOP has suddenly rediscovered its inner cheapskate.
So it goes.
The boldest plan to rein in spending and debt comes from newcomer Sen. Mike Lee (R-Utah), a Tea Party favorite who dispatched Republican incumbent Bob Bennett in the primaries before coasting to victory in the general election last fall. Lee has vowed to block passage of a debt-limit increase unless Congress signs on to his balanced-budget amendment which would cap annual federal spending at 18 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP). The amendment would require a super-majority of two-thirds in the Senate and House of Representatives. Lee’s bill is competing with another Republican proposal from Sens. Hatch (Utah) and Cornyn (Texas) to cap spending at 20 percent of GDP. The Hatch-Cornyn bill has weaker rules on its higher cap as well.
In 2010, spending came to about 24 percent of GDP and it’s expected to come in around 25 percent of GDP in 2011. Since 1950, total federal revenues have averaged 17.8 percent and have reached higher than 20 percent exactly once. Spending over the same time has averaged just under 20 percent.
Whether Lee’s proposal carries the day – and there’s a strong case that its passage would do more to calm financial markets than simply bumping up the federal credit line – neither the Democratic nor the Republican leadership has yet to advance a serious proposal to cut spending and reduce outstanding debt. Indeed, both the president’s budget proposal for 2012 and the generally non-existent Republican response are not only deeply irresponsible but clear signs of insanity.
That ain’t right. But it does help explain why a government that has increased spending over 62 percent in real dollars can no longer get by on a $14 trillion debt ceiling.
Video written and produced by Austin Bragg; article text written by Nick Gillespie.
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OK. I guess I'll just call my credit card companies and tell them to up my credit limit, because I can't control my spending. Yeah, that'll work.
The debt ceiling needs to be lowered.
Well we know Hatch and Cornyn are RINO's so we sure don't want to endorse their plan.
There will probably be all kinds of hidden compromises with the o in it and it will have to be sustainable and
comprehensive, because everything they do seems to contain those two tag-lines.
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Raising the debt limit for the US govt is equivalent to increasing the credit card limit of Jon/Jane Homemaker who are technically bankrupt who havent faced reality to go and officially file for BK!
The cure for the US is not increase limits on debt. The cure is for decreased spending, cutting out social programs which have failed, have duplicates under different names/depts or we just dont need and increasing productivity back to pre and post WW2 status. We were once the center point for manufacturing for the entire world, now thats China and other 3rd world nations! Problem is you have too many lobbyist in DC that are calling the shots to our elected leaders who are spineless over the threat of being out of a job without their support!
The USA is beyond bankrupt and Ill say it again there isnt enough money in the entire world to cover our debt. If our creditors have a "margin call" on us there are gong to be some big problems. But maybe, just maybe this is why DC has been acquiring a lot of land…. natural resource rich land! Cant pay the debt off with money whats the next best thing for say oh I dunno China some land in the west rich in shale oil or maybe some land with heavy amount of valuable minerals?
We are running outta time…. if you are reading this you are the resistance http://www.savingtherepublic.cm
What is the damn point of a ceiling if whenever we reach it we expand it.
It's not a ceiling. It's make believe. Like most of the statist lies.
Let me be clear. It will be unprecedented in its comprehensive sustainability.
Bring the liberals into a large room. Bring a trampoline into the room. The more they want to spend, the harder they have to jump on the trampoline. When they complain that they're hitting their heads on the ceiling, tell them to DEAL WITH REALITY, and realize that a ceiling is just that. An upper limit that has consequences for trying to go beyond it.
I'd prefer the government shut down until – say January 2013…
Oh, HEH.
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My credit was nearly maxed out the other day, but no worries. I voted to raise my debt limit and went and bought a sweet new car, all frills included! I'm Winning The Future™, bitches!
What is the damn point of a ceiling if whenever we reach it we expand it.
"Yes!" they'll say. "Exactly!"
They'll use that as their reasoning to just do away with debt and nationalize everything. Just think of all the pesky responsibility they can cast off if they refuse to accept any!
Along the way let's make the minimum wage $150,000 per hour so we can all be rich like Charlie Sheen and Larry David.
It's so easy to be a leftist dumbsh1t isn't it?
Any and I mean ANY Republican who votes to raise the debt ceiling IS A COWARD AND A RINO and should be voted out next time.no exceptions, it would be giving in to the democrats to do otherwise.
Already there are cracks in the so called "conservative " intake after a few parties in the "beltway" after a few conversations with some lobbyists who lay out their "retirement plan" and how they get it.
Also fools like Rove who have no place near Washington, make it clear howthings work.
And if all that is failing the "black ops" information gatherers find out about their past and hold it against them … that was and is common place in the Whips offices in UK parliament.
And even if one or two are squeaky clean a demonstration one day of how easily a few grams of C can be found in a childs bag or a wifes car or wherever … then ??? well that just about covers it
There needs to be the strongest Conservative President EVER in power next time,
Why TF do we have a debt !
Freebies !
Free med.s
Free retirement
Free health care
And the rotting Unions!
Edit and ObaMao's stash what ever the F&^@ that is.
To remove debt problems, remove liberals,socialists and RINO's. I'ts just that simple. (And that will fix a lot of other problems, too).
Hmm, when one cannot pay their credit card bills, they are harassed non-stop.
Question: WHO harasses the Fed Government ??? Our country is BROKE guys.
It's OUR MONEY. We, the people are the credit card company. Time to call in the debt.
Answer to your mouse over DEBT!!
And freebies
Only thing I can think of that makes any sense would be to slash the federal government in half along with the debt limit. Frankly I don't even see why we should be in debt at all, the government needs to learn within it's means.
Yeah, but I'll bet you were GOING to buy TWO new cars, so you really CUT your budget.
I would give you 10 yrs. service if we could and it would pay it off!
Saved like $90,000 with that move. Gonna use the savings to buy a sweet new house or two tomorrow. I'm Winning The Future™ so hard right now, I'm practically Charlie Sheen.
You're right – we need a bone-crushing conservative as our next President. Someone who's part Reagan, part Margaret Thatcher, part blitzing linebacker. With a mean streak.
The debt limit should be set back to the 2000 level. Default then…Ben Bernanke can take a long hike!
This whole mess has to be backed up.
The U.S. is 14 trillion in debt. When does it end? Did you realize that a trillion is a million, million? This means we are 14 million, million in debt and going up.
what Bernancke is REALLY saying is this:
The great ship USS United States has already sailed into the sunset. We are just kicking a VERY large can down the road hoping a middle east conflagration will chase foreign assets back to the US and restore our fiat currency.
Or: It just doesn't matter anymore. It is a matter of time until the economy collapses and food riots occur and civil order breaks down and we become Darfur. Oil will hit $2-400 a barrel. THEN we open the oilfields- and guess what
kids- we have more oil than anyone else in the world here- Canada and Alaska- and can become the third world oil producer while The Powers That Be ride the backs of 1.2 billion serfs in China for 50 years.
Kind of like that…
I'm trying to think up something funny to say to your question, but I can't. We're in deep stuff.
Yup …sadly "calling in the Debt" we have NO money to pay it.
The Feds can print as much and what they want …still NO money. We are so beyond broke.
BOOM……….Winning The Future™
Gotta make sure you build a high-speed rail between those houses. That's the kind of "investment" you'll need to make to keep Winning The Future™.
And therein lies the problem: There are too many parasites on the opposite side making like that TV commercial pitching instant money for structured settlements. You know the one – actor after actor leans out of windows and bellows, "It's MY money, and I need it NOW!" as if they were Howard Beale a la the movie Network.
What do you mean, "no balance???" I have lots of checks left!!!!
Yeah, I can live with that….
LOL
There's only one obvious candidate out there right now that comes close to fitting that description in my mind. But even many friends whose politics agree with my own have bought the line that she's too dumb…
Good Luck. I've been trying for years. Let me know if you've a successful method, as they sure as hell are not listening to me.
We have ONE great advantage. We are the EMPLOYERS of those who wish to siphon more from our wallets. I'm DONE with being nice. Balance the Goddamn budget, or we'll run you out of town on a rail, after the tar and feathers. Enough with taking the high ground. This current situation requires people with steel in their veins, and a backbone to boot. I'm not advocating violence. I'm simply saying STAND UP, and make more noise than the communists and union goons. They threaten violence, they need to understand the fact that self defense is just that. Self defense. Bring it, Leftards. Throw the first punch. You'll be picking your teeth up off the proverbial floor.
You forgot one huge problem that did the most damage An out of control progressive single party control in Washington. It was not freebies. It was the Lunatic left spending like it was a party. This is were a single party power consolidated in Washington will take you. They ended up putting everybody, and everything at risk. TOTAL IRRESPONSIBILITY.
Vote for true conservatives with a record to back it up. That is our only way back to sanity, and grown ups back in charge. VIVA LA TEA PARTY.
Dear Smart people,
Please advise to the nearest million, what we would have to reduce our spending by on a weekly basis so we would not need to increase our credit card bill. Please factor in inflation.
Regards,
Joe Doakes
You sound like my mother in law. Ok, let me have it.
We'd have to reduce spending by over 3 Billion PER DAY to have a balanced budget.
Yeah….I know. I agree 100%. She needs to state her policies better. She can still do it.
Your comment speaks for itself …YES, we are in DEEP $hit …and then some.
People are now finding themselves unable to buy food & other basics. Yet Congress is oblivious.
And they are incapable at finding the CUTS. Can ya say "OUT of TOUCH" ???
A progressive idea. This way they can play from their play book against the conservatives. Rules for Radicals. This is what they have always done, over and over again. This is why somebody wrote a book titled, rules for radical conservatives. I also think they should have to do this every month until we have something solid, and in concrete. Why not?
I'd give the future years of my life to the preservation of what this country is SUPPOSED to stand for.
THAT is a FACT.
There's no way we can meet that obligation without using real assets to reduce our debt. And I'm not selling Alaska. If this dipstick of a President even mentions it, it will cause a revolution. If we want to solve this problem we must take the White House and the Senate, Hold the house on November 6, 2012. Then drill for oil and mine our way out of it. We use those hard assets to pay off enough of our debts to make them fiscally manageable once again.
Quantitative Easing Explained
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k
"If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
George Washington
Sadly my accountant told me to apply for unemployment over 8 mos. ago. I did not and now I don't qualify because I've not had an income to mandate my paying in to "gov unemployment insurance" …do I care? Am I Pi$$ed? NO. I am responsible for my condition – good, bad or indifferent.
We can "you're fired" ,but not until Nov. 2012. God only knows what'll happen before then.
Right now I'm…….concerned.
Beautiful, v….
It isn't that simple, you have to go through department by department and remove all the socialists/wonks and wonkettes that remain after until they retire and collect fat pensions, they all HAVE to be summarily fired and replaced by patriotic/constitutional types in order to run the government.
Fire your accountant. Benefits are calculated from the previous calendar year. I can empathize. I've been out of work since 4/2/09. I was a business owner, and have over 15 yrs of exp in electronics mfg and sales. My resume was deemed "over qualified" for the jobs that were available.
Kudos for your knowledge. You are exactly accurate in everything you said.
3 to 4.3 Billion Barrels of Technically Recoverable Oil Assessed in North Dakota and Montana’s Bakken Formation—25 Times More Than 1995 Estimate—
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
Thanks. Sometimes my rants hit a nerve with like-minded folks, sometimes they don't.
Most of the time, I focus on belittling and pissing off trolls.
Who knew I could make a valid point?
This is how I would solve this if I was ever elected and in the room with these schmucks, and of course had a few pies . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwirWWnzJKM
Someone else said something rather poigniant.
"Single acts of tyranny may be ascribed to the accidental opinion of the day; but a series of oppressions, begun at a distinguished period, and pursued unalterably through every change of ministers (adminstrators) too plainly proves a deliberate, systematic plan of reducing us to slavery."
Thomas Jefferson
This country needs more valid points like that.
Oil, Coal, Mineral, etc is our way out of this. Cut Corporate taxes, bring manufacturing jobs back into the USA, eliminate the trade deficit. The problem is that those who are supposed to speak for "US" are too busy speaking for lobbyists, and their own bottom line.
Thank you for sharing, a timeless classic. I always enjoyed their humor around 4 pm every afternoon, when I did not have to be at work. Many moons ago.
posted earlier,……
Shut it down,..shut it down,…
let the whole thing come to a grinding halt and,….
than get off the train and see,….
how many empty boxcars we can unhook.
Wish I were just "concerned" …I'd have better days.
Gave ya a TU …I've been on the trolls hit list for awhile now. "Too close to Truth".
They TD me any and every time they can …as well as those who reply to my posts.
Just letting ya know …I'm dangerous. But we are winning and they are losing.
Yeah, you're both right. There's a lot of work to do. Most people, like me, didn't pay enough attention to govt. We were happy "if the trains ran on time". No more. I'm watching, not just the President and Congress, ALL govt. They're all on probation.
Hey, WhatsUP…?
Did you hear David Walker on Medved's show last week talking about how much a trillion dollars is, space-wise?
Well this is choice….
1 million in $100 dollar bills fits in a larger briefcase.
1 billion in $100 dollar bills fits in the trailer of an 18 wheeler
1 trillion in $100 dollar bills fits in a space 100'x100'x6' . In other words
an entire Costco 6' high..!!
Now that perspective.. We owe 14+ trillion !
I'm with ya, vivi …in the same soup. Waited way too long and over qualified. Bottom line: was my decision. Am unwilling to become part of the the government's UNSOLVABLE PROBLEM. Pulling up my bootstraps and going to make it on my own. Government can Shut the F .. K UP …worthless POS's – overpaid Gov't Union Employees.
My suggestion: Feds should build Hi-Rises around the Capitol. Then lay off 50% of Fed Employees & put said laid off employees in the New Public Housing Hi-Rises. Tax payers would save Millions.
Thanks, I just noticed a troll ran through here…
I always get trolled down too, every time. If they don't get me right away they do it a day or two later.
Just part of the territory, I guess, like the neighbors dog that craps in your yard. Overall, love this website !
Excellent Jefferson Quote, vivi. Sadly …is too esoteric and profound for 90% of the sheeples to understand. How sad is that ? Yet another reason to Privatize the Public NO-Education System.
"Let us not ask what parts of govt we should cut, but what parts we should keep ?"
(I'm getting lofty in my rhetoric now, I'm on beer #6).
Just when I thought I was going to the "Glass Half Full" …ya sure do know how empty that there glass, PiniHead. Hmm, foreseeable future: Closed down COSTCO's full of worthless money & taxpayers paying the rent. Thanks for the unadulterated truth …
How about taking all the money from the idiots that put us in debt to help pay down the debt?
Here's one that is more in sync with what we are dealing with today:
We must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debt, as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our calling and our creeds…[we will] have no time to think, no means of calling our miss-managers to account but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers… And this is the tendency of all human governments. A departure from principle in one instance becomes a precedent for[ another]… till the bulk of society is reduced to be mere automatons of misery… And the fore-horse of this frightful team is public debt. Taxation follows that, and in its train wretchedness and oppression.
Thomas Jefferson
LMAO …ROLF …vivi. Got through the first 3 sentences and lost it …can you imagine a teacher having to read and define in their own words what this Jefferson Quote even meant ??? Not to mention what is means TODAY. Thanks, vivi …needed Humor and Truth.
I'll make it a point to quote our founding fathers with a different quote daily. The "Moral Relativists" who try to distort the message will run screaming when the truth is shown….
Also, they've quietly stopped the insane fixation with counterfeiting, for obvious reasons.
If it looks passable, who gives a sh*t ?!?
What'sUP…
Hey, all this funny money floating around, you'd think we'd ALL be rich!..
If it's backed by NOTHING but the productivity of each private sector employee.
As the unemployment, underemployment, and stopped looking unemployment rises, the funny money will buy less and less.
This IS What'sUP…and happening..! PHP.. not Pinhead!
Thanks. And I ain't goin' nowhere – this site's too much fun.
You know, the same trolls who blather about "not caring for the thumbs-up/down system" are the same ones who peruse the site blindly thumbing down everyone. Anonymity is a funny thing. It only lasts so long. I'm willing to let everyone know who I am and where I live. (When I'm done gathering enough firepower to defend myself)
2012 RALLY CRY – ‘BACK TO THE FUTURE’!
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Postponing the inevitable…doesn't make it go away…only linger for a more opportune time to destroy!
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CALL/EMAIL ALL REPS AND TELL THEM TO VOTE “NO” TO RAISING DEBT CEILING!
LET’S JUST GET IT OVER WITH AND CALL THEIR BLUFF!
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
Get ALL to join …be they left or right (especially the left) …Truth Hurts.
Am serious, knuckles. Hubby and I sort of canvased & polled our
neighborhood. Shocking. Most oblivious to food storage and the likes.
I've told a few friends..
Thanks for the link – I saved it.
Honestly I don't believe or trust Bernanke, Geithner, Goolsbee, Obama, or anyone in his Administration. I think that the Debt Ceiling should be permanently set and not moved. I think we need a Fed Balanced Budget Amendment immediately.
Also we need to continue to disband those redundant Govt Agencies and Govt Regulations. The discretionary support of the Govt Agencies needs to be stopped. Get rid of waste and fraud by passing legislation to disband redundant Agencies and the staff that goes with them.
Get rid of Obama and Holder. They have committed too many crimes to stay in office.
I found the posts very interesting. America has "kicked" the can down the road for decades, but that road is ending. It has overspent and over promised. It just cannot accept the fact that it is broke. Some people continue to want a strong military: they just cannot afford it. Some people want to protect Social security: they just cannot afford it. Some people want to protect medicare, Medicaid, and social benefits: they just cannot afford it. Some people want to protect the environment: in truth, they cannot afford it – we need coal and nuclear, but those things are dirty, but we need them. Some commentators write about waste and duplicate spending. It makes no difference. To help ourselves we need to increase taxes, but no one wants it done to them. Furthermore, if taxes are increased the government will just continue to kick the can down the road a bit longer. But, what America needs is leadership. It just does not have it. No one will tell any the unpleasant truths. It is an "inconvenient truth" that green jobs will not save us. Solar will not save us. Wind will not save us. Continuing to transfer money to the Middle East will not save us. Continuing to send jobs overseas will not save us. And all of those Plasma TVs will not save us. We need to go back to stop spending, invest, go back to work, change laws to prevent jobs from going overseas, and increase taxes.
Man what you said makes a whole lot of sense…. until those last two words.
The federal government claims ownership of approximately one-third of the land in the United States. Ever thought about how much dough Congress could raise by selling it off? What makes that approach to debt reduction so unthinkable?
Could someone remind me why we have a "debt ceiling" in the first place?
I look at it this way. If it ain't essential and if the govt can function without it, it ain't necessary. How's that for simple logic. That means the EPA, DOEducation, DOEnergy, and USAID can all go the way of the Dodo bird. Agencies which can be reduced to oversight only DOJ, SEC, FCC, DOI, DOL, NLRB, NLMB.
Just saved the taxpayer approximately 2 trillion dollars which can be used to pay down the national debt. All other agencies must streamline their operations by 10%. Savings to be used to maintain current physical plant and maintenance. Imagine the savings alone if the interior lights were turned off in govt buildings at night.
All perks to be cut 95%. No more junkets and fact finding trips(vacations) at taxpayer expense. Call it the Pelosi reduction in waste initiative.
Also all federal employees enter Social Security and Medicare plan no exceptions, no exemptions..
he really meant,…increase tax CUTS,…..
he had to,..didn't he,….????
mile stones
not to mention the WILDLY undervalued ANWAR- and the Pacific coast, and off the Florida coast- where Cuba is leasing OUR oil to China to recover…
Gentle Readers,
Dear Mr. Doakes,
Current budgeted spending is $3.7 trillion annually. Congress has failed to pass a budget for this FY, for the 1st time in my life. In the 2008FY budget the government spent $2.8 trillion.
Return to the FY2008 budget ( i.e., cancel TARP and the ERRA – STIMULUS ) and spending would need to be cut by $700 billion, or $1.4 billion per week, with current revenues.
Revenues can be enhanced by reducing TAX RATES while simplifying the TAX CODE to reduce compliance and bookkeeping costs, as a means of stimulating economic growth. We can also allow offshore oil & gas production and open public lands to logging and energy production to increase revenues.
May I refer you to
Opportunities to
Reduce Potential
Duplication in
Government
Programs, Save Tax
Dollars, and Enhance
Revenue
GAO 11-31-SP for ways and means by which government agencies can reduce spending by $300 billion per
year, or almost 1/2 of the required reduction, without changing any programs or eliminating any agencies. This report simply advises implementation of current standards for Federal Agencies.
Sincerely,
John Lepant Brighton CO
Of course raising the "debt ceiling", whatever that is, is a terrible idea. I think most here would agree.
I am not in favor of a constitutional amendment to create a fixed number for the debt ceiling. The Constitution already defines what our government can and should be spending money on. Stick to that and there is no need to invent a "debt ceiling".
Allen West for President:
http://allenwest2012.ning.com/
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http://weaselzippers.us/2011/01/24/video-congress...
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/3333...
I embarrass my hubby, knuckles. I talk non-stop to the sheeples, informing, questioning …is hard for him to take me out anymore.
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