Thursday Open Thread: WWII Edition

And yet, somehow, the idea of history repeating itself, just doesn't sink into the brains ( or lack thereof !) of people who just don't bother to read or better yet, study!

Yet people are still dying today from this war…………………..

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/09/01/world-war...

Had the Progressive Herbert Hoover and the even more Progressive FDR not been in charge, WWII would not have even happened. Our world was screwed by Progressivism. Had the roaring twenties become the roaring thirties and fourties, we would have have the resources to squish the various Marxists in Europe (e.g., the Nazis, the Fascists, and the Communists).

Oh, and

Ron Paul 2012.

Kind of reminds me of LBJ and the escalation of the Vietnam war.

The French suffered between 90,000 and 120,000 KIA in May and June of 1940.

It will look more like the Civil War.

Cute Chuckie but wars start when the killing begins,……

not when politicians make dumb decisions.

Take your take to its ultimate conclusion and,……

one can rationalize that,…..

the start of WWII was when,……..

Adam took the apple from Eve.

And like England and France,…..

we should have declared war the following day.

That is because German violated the agreement to disarm while Wilson did disarm the United States, Britain and France who were unprepared for Germany's rearmament thanks to liberal anti-war types in all three governments.

If memory serves, it was due in part to both their antiquated material and the pompus French generals thinking more of a WWI battlefield. Neither the French nor the British were prepared for a modern war of rapid deployment and movement.

And the World was forever changed.
All it took as the fanatic visions of one man.

It took the world six long, blood-soaked, years,
with the loss of millions of lives,
to stem the tide of Fascism.

Today, we are at war with a similar Fascism.
A silent, creeping Fascism, that has attacked US from within.
It is openly on display, its members proudly proclaiming themselves.

In the membership of the Congressional Black Caucus,
and the Progressive Congressional Caucus.

That comeback will take a generation, Ralph. If we do this right, "liberalism" and "progressivism" will be equated with insanity. As it should.

Along with Keynesian economics.

Well said, CL.

We are at war with more than one similar Fascism as sharia slithers into our legal framework and into gullible young skulls full of mush at our universities where they are teaching sharia finance among other aspects of mudhamman's curse on the world.

If somehow the people and society of today were the ones alive at this time, as Germany invaded Poland, can you imagine the words and deeds of people today?

Ron Paul would appease Hitler and preach his isolationist crap just like he does today with Islam.

Obama would go golfing with Hitler and make up non-offensive terms for German Invaders like he does with Terrorists today.

Allen West would call the Nazi's out on the carpet and vociferously argue they were a REAL threat to the USA.

Sarah Palin would tell huge crowds of people that we need to defend our allies, and step up to the plate and do the right thing.

All the anti-semite trolls on the Bigs would march around in their Hitler Youth outfits. Oh I'm sorry, the same as they do that today…

My 2 cents. America of 1940's would totally kick America of 2010's a$$… Were these things to happen today, I fear too many in USA lack the spine and moral courage to stand up and fight. Shortly we would Sprechen Ze Deutch…

200 Protestors or Rent a Democrat Mob showed up outside where Eric Cantor was holding an Advisory Council Meeting near Richmond VA yesterday. He is also my Rep.

The guy screaming into the megaphone looks like he belongs to the Black Panthers.
http://www2.wsls.com/news/2011/sep/01/tdmet01-abo...

Is anyone else out there seeing this type of activity at your Reps. office?

"Some people were provided transportation to the site, according to Virginia Organizing, a left-leaning grass-roots organization that coordinated the event with other groups, including the Service Employees International Union

Let me fix that. ALL of those people got a ride from either OFA or SEUI.

It still wouldn't go on your list. We DID rescue U.S. citizens and we DID convince Castro that it was in his best interest not to leave his little island. As with the pirates, there has to be a point as to when the U.S. should act in order to preserve its interests.

If we had allowed Castro to take over the Caribbean islands, behind backed by the U.S.S.R., what would you consider to be the stopping point? Do we wait until he had taken over all the islands? Waited until he started invading South American countries? Waited until he moved up to Central American countries? Both full of unstable governments. Or, do we wait until he attacks the Keys or Florida itself?

Yes, some interventions should be out of the hands of U.S., but there has to be a point when the U.S. intervenes in order to stop a larger issue further down the road. Hence, the Marshal Plan after WWII as a lesson learned from WWI.

Yep. 'Not so sure about Allen West, though.

Yep. Too close for comfort.

My mom called me from work because a coworker had told her they shut down the highway and the police were called.

This is happening leading up to Obama's BIG JOBS announcement next Thursday. So the question is, will the Republicans allow themselves to get manipulated again by this regime to pass some stupid bill?

It's a shame that WWII had to break out. Germany rebuilt from economic ruin after WWI, and instead of pursuing peace and trade war had to destroy everything again.

Why Mr. Chamberlain, how nice of you to join us.

You do know that Hitler met with the Muslims of his time, wanting to form an alliance as their factions were so closely mirrored.

What consistently strikes me as relevant is how little time has passed since then.
The history has already been rewritten to such a degree that the wars gravity is lost upon people from grade school right on up to the retiring adult. We have no clue because the lessons are not taught.
And to make matters more depressing, when the lessons are taught like the Jews consistent harping on the Holocaust, they are called out for trying to manipulate and shame the populace for their own benefit. At least they have the good sense to want to live to see another day.
Pop quiz of the day….
When American Capitalists(GE, GM etc) were ready to loan the German Government the necessary funds to stem the spiraling inflation what individual nixed the whole deal due to a hidden loan that would have divulged a corruption at the top?)
The resulting hyper inflation ushered a clever loser into power who is purported to have used this information to gain power.

TheGnatKingHatesCoal?! Heheheheh… That moniker is, ah,
Unforgettable.

Yeah, we're gonna be a while scrubbing the unforgettable GnatKing off of us…

It won't be a cold war much longer, considering the overt efforts to incite violence….

Those Malthusians may get their wish to trim-off the excess population…..

It was a rescue operation. Instead of removing the hostages/victims, the military instead, removed the threat.

In removing that threat, the military reduce further danger as a side note.

Now for your question.
What is the situation, outside of U.S. territory, in which the U.S. should engage in military action? In other words, at what point is the line in the sand crossed that the U.S. should engage?

Morning my Virginian Sis. Hey, you know what I will be watching on Thursday night? Packer vs. Saints. Now normally I would care about his speech but it will be exactly the same as the one he gave one year ago so…

If the game get pre-empted by his buffoonish prattle I will be sure to withhold some of my income tax for entertainment expense losses.

Why, to protect Polish neutrality? Good luck selling that one to 1939 America, Mr. President.

Thanks for the link, tt. So you didn't spill "pepper" on yourself? )

The standoffish email says Obama will push Congress to act, but "whether they will do the job they were elected to do is ultimately up to them."

But both you and I can pressure them to do the right thing. We can send the message that the American people are playing by the rules and meeting their responsibilities—and it's time for our leaders in Congress to meet theirs.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-says-he-is-f...

Obama the greatest *promoter* of the 2nd amendment!

"VA was a very red state until the libtards started moving into northern part of the state. We voted in a conservative Governor in 09 after having so called moderate Dems in for a while. We had a surplus in our budget the first year, imagine that!"

Until the wife and I decided to raise our kids in a country setting, we lived in various locales in/around D.C. in the late 70's through the 80's. So I'll confess that I recall the demographics of N. Va. and the People's Republic of Maryland right well.

D.C. Metro during that time was a great place and time to buy and sell houses. That was not my day job, but flipping houses back before flipping was cool, was a great way to supplement a single income so mom could stay home with the young'uns.

"These unassuming men had a lions heart, the heart of a free American, and though they are all gone, their legacy is ours now – - what will we do with it?"

For some, no less than our best. For the remainder, TBD…

Incidentally, my husband brought home a book about the "Boy Brigade" who fought in the Civil War. They were from the Richmond and surrounding areas. The author is from Fredricksburg.

A quick anecdote. My kids who are now 20 and 24, and have never really been hard core liberal or conservatives, but thought that Barry would be swell. Now three years hence, and they think he sucks, as do most of their friends, who I’ve overheard talking about Barry, and the condition of the country. My point, there is hope for the future, it’s our generation that needs it’s a$$ kicked, the fifty to seventy year olds. We must educate, and explain the good points and the absurdity that was the ‘60s and ‘70s. We are being led by radicals and their spawn, as promised. It’s time to set the record straight, and expose these creeps for who, and what they are…America hating bastards.

Funny how so many kids will adapt to and even embrace reality when, as adults, that reality gets in their face and snarls. I have a good deal of confidence in most young people. Heck, I can almost remember being one of em.

Blame? Yep, we of the boomer generation have much to regret. First and foremost, at least IMO, is that we trusted those elected to represent us to do the right things for the nation while most of us distractedly worked to build homes, raise families, and pay Federal, FICA, State, Local, Sales, Fuel, and Business taxes, etc., etc., etc. all while not doing our due diligence in all matters of civil affairs.

That said, there is plenty of blame to go around if one were to coldly consider the whole. We could say that the previous generation irresponsibly coddled and indulged the boomers, who in turn did the same to the subsequent generations, and worse, we ignored them while we focused elsewhere. To assuage the guilt of spending insufficient time with the young'uns, we bribed them and they grew to believe in the mythical free-lunch.

Such are the generalities a person can use to assign blame to groups. Stick in the mud that I am, I try not to dwell on blame but look for the fixes. Oh, how I'm looking forward to the primary season.

Agreed. The best gifts you can give your child as a parent are to love God and love your spouse.

I've heard that the banks are sitting on two trillion dollars until this train wreck gets out of the house.

Depending on how this plays out for the next 1.5 years, who would have thought we might actually be thanking those evil bankers?

They are playing it wise. Maybe lending will start up again if we can win.

That harkens back to that old saying attributed to Churchill, to paraphrase, “if you’re under twenty-one and not a liberal, you don’t have a heart, if you’re over twenty-one and not a conservative, you don’t have a brain.” Colors the picture quite well, don’t you think?

I know. I minded my business, ran my company, raised my children, and played by the rules, as I thought all Americans did…silly me. No longer is “conservative apathy” okay. We must stay engaged and use everything in our arsenal to fight back, which is substantial.

Indeed the children of WWII are most definitely the spoiled generation, as opposed to the Greatest.

I haven’t been this worked up about an election since 1980.

General Pershing said that the premature Armistice meant another war with Germany in a few decades. But, what did he know?

"Thus he [General Fox Conner, Ike's mentor] was convinced that the Versailles Treaty after World War I was a badly conceived document — that is almost guaranteed another world war within a quarter of a century unless it should be quickly and drastically modified." Dwight D. Eisenhower. Conner told Ike this in 1921.

You're correct. Weapon-for-weapon comparisons don't tell much of the story — it's how those weapons were employed; German tactical doctrine (on the ground and in the air) was vastly superior in 1940.

I think the real difference was in strategic planning, though. The Germans executed an excellent (and fairly risky) plan of attack (the armored thrust through the Ardennes) and Allies reacted EXACTLY as called for by the plan (the advance into Belgium to "meet" the Germans, who would shortly turn up behind them).

It absolutely defied the maxim: "No plan survives contact with the enemy." This plan could not have worked as well as it did without the enemy's cooperation.

I concur.
The only mistake the Germans wound up making was trusting Goering to win Dunkirk. If they hadn't done that . . .

We are talking about the same US that was so isolationist that even as late as the summer of 1941, over 80% of the nation opposed directly joining the war? The US whose population in 1939 was overwhelmingly in favor of strict neutrality policies, and against the selling of war materials and loans to the British and French? The US who was pulled kicking and screaming into the war only by Pear Harbor, a direct attack on us?

As much as we like to glamorize the Greatest Generation, the fact was that in 1939, no one in the US was willing to even consider a war to save Poland, and even the thought of joining to save Britain was rather heated as late as 1941. The US of the time was vehemently isolationists, with export embargoes on war goods, and a prevailing sense that Britain had stabbed us in the back in WW1, and that it was not in our best interest to join in this "European War". It took years for attitudes to shift, and it wasn't until 1941 that attitudes had begun to shift towards intervening in Britain's favor. The US did begin to see rearmament, and there was some aid granted to Britain, like our occupying Greenland and Iceland, but much of this assistance had to be done with a low profile in order to make it politically acceptable. Neutrality patrols in the Atlantic were often given little publicity, and Lend Lease was sold as merely a temporary loan, and that the US was not simply giving vital war goods to Britain, but rather that it was merely a temporary affair that would be repaid later (a baldfaced lie as it turned out).

I also watched another yesterday where he was golfing with Vets (Also on FOX News), in the interview he said he is going to spend the rest of his time doing things with Vets, I know that every time a plane load of Vets come home to Texas he and Laura are there to greet them, you will not see this in the lame stream media