Monday Open Thread: Libya Edition
by PubliusThe ‘kinetic action’ in Libya is now in clear violation of the War Powers Act. One can argue whether or not the War Powers Act is sound law, but it is currently the law of the land. One could also argue whether or not the action in Libya is sound policy, but, it is currently, unmistakably, illegal.
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Noblama needs his own war……………………so this one gives him some street cred.
Me personally? I have no problem with Quaddaffi, or the Libyan people.
Why the hell aren't we bombing Cuba instead?……………or Venezuela?
At least keep it in the neighborhood………………..Mexico?……Canada?………(sorry).
In the administration's eyes, congress, the judicial and the constitution are irrelevant. The lawmaking and judicial systems can be replaced by regulatory fiat and "Permission from the UN". Checks and balances have been minimized or outright ignored in many cases. Winners and losers are decided by political donations like never before through tax code and "waivers" from following the law.
Welcome to the age of "Enlightened Despotism" the progressive movement has been working toward for 100 years.
We have no reason to be blowing up Libya and killing their people. Get out immediately. Why are the anti-war protesters so quiet all a sudden? (code pink-o types)
Yeap- Blame Bush… No go didn't work so well.
Blame low air in everybodys tires… That didn't take off
Blame ATM machines and airport kiosk machines… Even with automation Bush administration saw unemployment lower than 4 1/2 percent…
Blame Canada! It's the only answer! After all, who would give creedence to any one who calls their heros "Mounties"
Elections are irrelevant to this lot as well.
They've become populist shams for a dictatorship government that has no intention of ever giving up power.
I think we'll eventually have to fight them for it.
I'm in.
Chicken you know what liberals alway use Nato as their attack dogs. Just paint a Nato Emblem on a US fighter Jet, and guess what? The Prez comes away squeeky clean no matter which way the bombing goes.
Did you notice that before Obama, Afganistan civilians were accidently hit by American bombs, but after Obama, all the reports turned to Nato this and Nato that?
No, we're not in an illegal war with Libya, Nato is. Using our war planes, our bombs, our troops…
I'm glad that congress passed the resolution that this action is an illegal act of war. Are they going to have the cajones to take action against the administration? My guess- no. We're going to be made to watch the country go down the drain with little chance of recovery no matter what happens in 2012.
The United States of North America.
Cheap labor, pollution and industry down south (Mexico)………strippers and good beer up north (Canada).
And us "flyover's" in between……………
It could work.
(Our war cry heading north?…."Mount This").
Yeah really………why all of the sudden are they not strapping themselves to buildings in Tripoli?
Why aren't they unfurling banners at noblamas speeches, and spittin and hissin like vipers and blocking traffic on the Golden Gate Bridge for the Libyan people. Perhaps a puppet show in Benghazi would get them some ink.
They're too busy undermining America…………with the current administration.
He won't bomb Venezuela. Obambi and Chavez are of like minds.
Maybe when we bounce Barry, Chavez can get him a job in his country? Provided the people of Venezuela don't rip Chavez from limb by limb.
Exchanging the DEVIL we know – Quaddafi/Gaddafi/Whatever for a DEVIL we do NOT know is shortsighted and stupid. Oh, and in this particular case ILLEGAL.
Of course Obama et al are shortsighted and stupid.
Putting Hillary "Cankles" Clinton in charge of foreign policy because she visited Bosnia as FLOTUS is as stupid as electing to the presidency a freshman Senator with a shady birth certificate, a shady past, shady friends, shady benefactors and no voting record – other than being THE most radical leftist Senator is recent memory.
Troubling new info about Clinton's "right hand" and Wanky Weiner's wife Huma is SURFACING – specifically her mother and brother's connection to the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD.
Hey – isn't Libya the second of third country to be in the PROCESS of falling to the M.B. under Obama's "watch?"
YA, IT IS.
Who is paying him, what does Obama really know and what is his PERSONAL MOTIVATION to scuttle YEARS of relative stability for this false Arab Spring?
Blame Bush ?
I seem to remember ……..
Gaddafi gives up his nukes http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article...
Hahahahahahahahaha
Why Libya? Why now? What is the strategy? What are the goals? All basic questions that are unanswered. Just more proof the MSM is in the tank for zero as I don't hear these questions being asked. The GOP contenders should unite and ask these questions often and loudly. As for the lack of protest perhaps we conservatives should have some fun. Let's tap our inner children and pretend to be lefties and start the protests. I'll admit I have an off sense of humor but I imagine it would be fun to see a bunch of shallow smelly libs showing up in support of a war protest rally! Hell it's not like we have to put any real thought into this. Remember," people are being killed" and " think about the children".
It doesn't seem to matter if something is 'legal or not' to this administration! they have pride in doing things against the grain and the law of this land! It's like this is the United Stated of Omaba, instead of America..HE HAS TO GO NOW!!!
Of COURSE it is ILLEGAL!
So is ObamaCare, so are these so called CZARS, technically I suspect the GM and Chrysler and AIG bailouts were illegal in some fashion.
What major "accomplishment" of the Obama Administration is NOT ILLEGAL?????
So am I.
How is our national interest served by an unstable North Africa? Where is the threat from Lybia?
Did we switch sides and I just missed the memo?
Congress needs to grow a pair and re-assert their proper role in the system of checks and balances! Cut off the money and move a bill of impeachment; let's see if that gets his majesty's attention!
Yet another U.S.-led NATO war by a liberal progressive U.S. President.
Remember Yugoslavia. Bill Clinton's NATO operation.
Libya. Barack Obama's NATO operation.
I don't think that I am mistaken when I ask the question: Wasn't NATO set up as a defensive organization?
Illegal / Smeagle? o-HOLE don't GAS! He's merely doin' what $0r0$ ,Ayers and Dorn want, cause
he's their man.
Things will calm down in Libya when some radical Muxlim organization like Hammas or the Muslim
Brotherhood is in place to assume power (remember Egypt). One by one o-HOLE will hand over all
Muslim majority nations to them. It will be his legacy to the world.
Be sure to thank all your friends who didn't vote in 2008, for giving us this "boy who would be KING" …
in place of a real POTUS! How many decades will be required to repair his damage to our standing
in the world?
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The GOP needs to find its backbone and start criticizing Obama for his unilateral war. The House needs to start the impeachment process and to stop funding Obama's war; Boehner's Friday deadline passed, so what's his excuse?
If they (GOP) don't find some guts we are doomed!! We cannot elect someone who is going to go along with everything this socialists has in his agenda!
Who'd have thought a year ago Republicans would try and use the War Powers Act to STOP Obama from bombing Gaddafi?
He did say that the Constituition was outdated, i guess everyone should have listened. Yes mom he must go! I have begun calling my local radio conservative DJ and asking them on air why they have not discussed the natural born clause, you know the part where zero is ineligible because daddy wasnt American EVER! In my mind thats the single path to his resignation/impeachment and relief for US.
The unconstitutional.WPA:
http://www.tomwoods.com/warpowers/
And the beginning of the smackdown on the neo-con Levin: http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/mark-levin-wrong-on-...
"How many decades will be required to repair his damage to our standing in the world?"
Ehh. It would take about one week. One announcement, "All foreign aid will be cut off to any nation that does not openly apologize to the United States for their anti-American positions."
Do THAT, and watch how fast the world realigns itself around a new "global order" that Soros and his ilk never anticipated.
According to Obama, it's not a war if only one side is inflicting carnage. See: Clinton, Kosovo, foreign policy on.
yep
While I tend to agree–or at least question–that the WPA isn't constitutional, I do have to wonder why your information comes from that source. Is Woods a lawyer? Nope. What's he an expert in? History. Not law.
What's Levin say to this "smackdown"? Does he reply in scathing fashion, attempting to educate poor Dr. Woods?
Yep.
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=1015011...
Don't mess with the Levin on the law.
I'm embarrassed for Woods. He knows I know he's a propagandist on this issue. His misuse of the Constitutional Convention, the Federalist Papers, and other quotes here and there is politically expedient. There's nothing scholarly about it.
Of course it is wise politically and from a policy standpoint for a president to consult with Congress or even seek resolutions to support military actions. It also helps prevent Congress from cutting off funding down the road. In certain cases, particularly where military operations involve the very survival of the nation such as WWII, the president would be wise to seek a war declaration that informs the world of our nation's intention to destroy another society. In the few occasions Congress has declared war, most involved WWII. This is what the Framers intended. But it is not and never has been a constitutional requisite to making war. And Woods knows it.
You mean why would it come from a professor of history who is devoted to liberty and the study of American history? What problem do you have with him?
http://www.tomwoods.com/about/
By the way–based on what are you calling Levin a "neo-con"? Unless you're using it in the classic liberal style, that is, slang for "jew"…Levin has been a staunch conservative for probably longer than you've been off your mommy's floppy teat.
People who didn't vote aren't responsible for Obama's election. And surely you aren't suggesting McCain would be a "real POTUS". Perhaps you are referring ro Barr?
You suspect? Of course they were.
http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/detai...
"National Interest" is not, and should not be, the standard for using our military to attack and invade soverign nations.
Libya is just Obama's "Wag the Dog" strategy incarnated. If he makes himself look butch (as opposed to the metro-sexual femininity he usually portrays) he figures that will get him foreign policy points for next year. Same thing with going after bin Laden and other terrorist kingpins. If he wasn't on the ropes he would be inviting them over for milk and cookies instead of killing them.
You're looking to a history professor to be an expert in legal matters. If you were to get sued for something, would you knick on down to your closest university and attempt to get a prof from the history or anthropology department to represent you, or would you go to the yellow pages and find a lawyer who specializes in the issue at hand?
And please–I already answered that question in my previous answer. Don't be dogmatic and thick, okay?
Sorry, but I have waaaay more of a problem with Gaddafi than anyone in Cuba, Venezuela, Mexico, or Canada. Why would we bomb Cuba? It's not 1962 anymore.
The WPA is still the rule of law, so Obama needs to adhere to it.
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/nothing-more-...
‘Nothing More Impeachable' Than War Without Authorization, Says Constitutional Scholar
Well that was quite the edit. Oh my goodness, you didn't read through the links? You should be embarrassed for your hero, Levin. All he has in his arsenal is the personal attack. Oh, and banning people and deleting polite, respectful comments from his facebook page.
http://www.tomwoods.com/blog/mark-levin-wrong-on-...
Woods' response to your link: http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods168.html
And then the utter destruction of Levin: http://www.tomwoods.com/levin/
It was a good short term victory. But ultimately the region is better off without Gaddafi, no question. "Giving up" nukes is part of the blackmail cycle used by international pariahs. How many times have we convinced the North Koreans to halt or dismantle their program only to see it rekindled when they have food shortages?
So much for intellectual honesty. Neo-con is slang for jew? Give me a break. Levin's a neo-con because he is a big government lover who thinks our military should be used to invade sovereign nations for whatever "reason" of the day he thinks is sound. He's no staunch conservative. Hell, he's no conservative at all.
And with your closing bit, you clearly are a fan of Levin.
Nice straw man.
And I had replied to your post well before you "answered" it with your edit.
They won't say it, but I think the goal simply is to get Gaddafi. He has billions in gold on hand, fueling a mercenary army. I think if Gaddafi goes, his "following" will crumble and Libya can begin the long journey to normalcy along with all the other countries overthrowing their corrupt leaders. even at tens of millions per month it could be worth it to drop Gaddafi.
"Department of Defense." It's just semantics…
Yeah, and don't expect Congress to do jack about it. Violation or not, they'll continue to abdicate their responsibility to the law and the Constitution
None of those countries are a threat to us.
Of course with Republicans like John McCain and Lyndsey Graham insinuating that not going to war at every opportunity would cause Ronald Reaganroll over in his grave, I suppose we should be grateful that the president is a full blown war monger. Why, even Gates supports the legality of this kinetic action. Nothing like getting an opinion from a man who is paid by the administration.
Then you never tryed Canadian beer, eh? See, Canadians don't export their wonderful beer, they drink it all themselves. And once dranked, twice spanked, eh?
Regarding the baby blue NATO bunch, yup, you've got that sized up pretty well. NATO has evolved into a farce in need of dissolution, or at least a U.S. withdrawal from the treaty organization, and only slightly less so than we need to withdraw from the UN.
We have met the NATO and it is us. Apologies to Pogo for dragging him into this sordid mess.
On this matter, just the other day I said, it should not take very long for the dust to settle since we know that the Congress has little spine, or will power, or interest in limiting the expansion of power in any Federal bureaucracy.
It would be a pleasant shock if Congress were to prove us wrong.
Alex, quadafi is "normal" for Libyans. The middle east has been run by dictators, despots, and tyrants for so long the current state is "normal". Throw in an intolerant twelfth century religion and backwards is normal. Two questions for you to think about, how and why is it our place to foment "change" in the region? And how and why is "change " good for our strategic and economic interests? Hope and change, the gift that keeps giving…misery!
Sig, I subscribe to the narrative that Panetta and Clinton took out OBL, zero was plucked off the links at the last second and was just an observer. Look back at the Situation Room photo for panic illustrated. As to the rest of your post I agree in full. Remember man child was a male prostitute during the missing years and he gives better then his wife! Hence the metro sexual femininity. God please make people vote for substance in 2012!!
Obamama needs a war for stregnth in his campaign for 2012 and Syria (in my mind a more humane undertaking) would have been to serious of an undertaking. I personally think he'd'a done better to just end it in Afganistan, leave a shadow group of troops there, and get our boys back home. Now he's got the blood of more troops on his hands than Iraq and Afganistan (under Bush) combined. And do you hear about it? Not from the MSM. Got to turn to Big Peace for real War news…
F John McCain and his little tramp of a daughter! If he manned up at any point in the last election we might be OK right now. As far as I am concerned politicians running for a new office MUST resign their seat!
Yes. Specifically to counter the threat of the Soviet bloc.
"Washington D.C. – 4 April 1949
The Parties to this Treaty reaffirm their faith in the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations and their desire to live in peace with all peoples and all governments.
They are determined to safeguard the freedom, common heritage and civilisation of their peoples, founded on the principles of democracy, individual liberty and the rule of law. They seek to promote stability and well-being in the North Atlantic area.
They are resolved to unite their efforts for collective defence and for the preservation of peace and security. They therefore agree to this North Atlantic Treaty :"
If you're not asking rhetorical questions and have never taken a peek at the Treat, do so by visiting http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_text... Read the Articles of the Treaty and the updates.
Both Levin and Woods are correct in manner of degree because the last time I checked the War Powers Act is still the law of the land and the President is obligated as the Chief Law enforcement Officer compelled to follow it and implement it.
The War Powers Act is a bad law created by the Left to constrain Republican Presidents from active defense of the United States in the time of Communist low level aggression. The fact that a Leftist refuses to conform to their own law is proof of its illegitimacy.
Mark Levin is not a Neo-Conservative but a Conservative of very long lineage and a great guy.
Thomas Woods is a brilliant Conservative with exceptional insights.
I admire both men and don't see anything in these post except a intelligent discussion between two brilliant and talented Men.
Gaddafi was second only to Kim Jong-Il in craziest leaders. Only in a different universe is Gaddafi considered "normal."
It's our place to intervene as the superpower with collective sense of morality. And the compelling reason: these oi-rich countries will lose their dictators and form liberal democracies, which will constitute lovely new markets open to the rest of the world.
Also, Libya and Egypt changing for the better will open the door to Africa, eventually sparking development and bringing that continent out of the basement.
One of the GOP contenders needs to hire Haditwgov as an adviser. The MSM will try it's best to make the 2012 election not about Obama, his actions, or his record. Obama won easily by making it all about Bush. He has not changed tactics almost three years. He will try to make the next election about "the failed policies of Bush". Do not run a defensive campaign and play "nice candidate" like in 2008. Start to control the conversation and make it all about Obama and his record in office.
Cripes, it should be a slam-dunk, people.
Billy, my biggest gripe is a complete lack of strategy to win in either of the three campaigns. American troops lives are at stake and I refuse to waste the best and brightest so some a$$hole fascist d bag can look good and get another four years to F up the world. It's not a sporting contest, people die in war. As for kinetic action, my foot up zero A$$ is kinetic actions, when bombs and bullets are involved it's WAR! F ing liberals!!!!! NOW I AM PISSED!!!!!!!!
BRILLIANT!
The war on terror should have switched from an offensive action to a defensive action several months in (it's not our business to rebuild these cess pool countries to be thrice better then they origianlly were, with no compensation- even though these countries could have afforded it and more) and we STILL could have gotten Osama when we did. These sucky people have no appreciation. A few months after we're gone, all the work our troops put into these places will be torn apart and used for pieces of art in the next dictators' mansion. What a waste.
Because the pinko in the WH is the one doing the bombing…
Anti-war types have absolutely no problem when the killer is one of theirs…
Remember that, people…
What do YOU want them to do…?
Describe in detail, please…
Alex take your head out of your a$$! Muslim Brotherhood can't spell democracy even if they were inclined. If you really believe your post might I suggest the huffing ton post as a better place to hang out. Did you learn nothing from Iraq? How's that democracy thing working out there? We shall end up with new Irans, not democracies. One name, Jimmy Carter, how is Iran today Alex? Jimmy owns that one.
In other words, you would…
Denial. Not just a river in Egypt…
Thanks Dodsfall.
Cripes, it should be a slam-dunk, people.
Heck it shouldn't even be a contest!
I totally agree with you…
SO…Levin SHOULD be on board the Libyan thing, according to YOU…?
After all, Obammy is shooting up a country for some kind of "reason", as well as shooting up some other countries for a "reason" Geo. Bush gave out…
Thick…?
Not even close to describing your obstinacy…
In other news…
NBC conveniently "edits" out "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance…twice…
http://bigjournalism.com/dloesch/2011/06/19/nbc-o...
Yeah…Socialist Leftists are benign people that have our best interests at heart…
When can I start carving out those hearts…?
Plus 1,000,000,000,000 Billy! Spot on!
By "them" I assume you mean Congress, and by "to do", I assume you mean with regards to Libya, no? If so, I want our military presence 100% out of that region of the world immediately. We have no business involving ourselves in the civil war of another country. As bad and as tragic as that situation may be, we simply cannot liberate every oppressed country. At the same time, you cannot force freedom on people who aren't ready for it and who aren't willing to work to keep it.
Look, the wisdom in the Declaration of Independence and all of the underlying enlightenment philosophy tells me that humans all around the globe will be best served by liberal democracies. And cultures very different from yours and mine can most certainly form democratic institutions and free markets. And they will. The young people just need to be linked up to the global economy, something that the sclerotic dictators and extremists have fought hard to prevent. And a good first step in accomplishing that in the case of Libya is for Gaddafi to be out of power.
And the fact that I think the American military is uniquely positioned to make positive contributions to such a future would get nothing but scorn at the Huffington Post.
Time to start the impeachment proceedings.
Liberal Democracies? Alex I realize we are beginning to look like a liberal democracy more everyday but we are in fact a Democratic Republic. Liberal Democracy is a failure on paper let alone real life. At least wish them a success Alex. Regarding your desire to use American Military, why dont you enlist as a grunt and volunteer for line duty. Lets see if you back up your ideals with action. I dont mind anyone writing checks that their a$$ has to cash.
Nice statement for what it is…
Still doesn't say what you want them to DO…
You misunderstand the phrase "liberal democracy." See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism for clarification. I used the lowercase "liberal" to denote classical liberalism, not "Liberal" in reference to American politics. Our liberal democracy is a resounding success, not a failure on paper. And our success really is a beacon for the rest of the world, and if we support the momentum behind the proliferation of free markets along the way, that's fine by me, so long as we do it carefully and transparently. I don't begrudge anyone who doesn't want to join the military, and I have the utmost respect for those who do volunteer their services.
to do? Leave. That's what I want our military to do.
Alex, let's agree to disagree. I see by reading some of your older posts that you are just getting out of college and you are disillusioned by liberal academia. You seem to have most of it right but you are still struggling to find your way, as we all are, it's a lifelong journey. Perhaps the additional years I have experienced have jaded me more to the process of liberalism, which today is in fact socialism. The dem party of today is nothing like it was twenty or even ten years ago. Unfortunately the rep are not much better. Let's leave it at this, if the middle east experiment dear leader has started turns ugly, you admit to yourself that I told you so and put the lesson under your belt. I only want to tear apart hardcore liberals who are beyond salvation. Under our current regime and it's policies widespread bloodshed may become reality and not in the middle east. Alex, never make promises or offer ideas that you won't back up. It sickens me and brings me to tears that American servicemen and women are dying to make ozero look tough. I don't avoid the obituaries, rather I read them daily to feed the fire in my heart everyday. They represent some of the best this country has to offer and they are someone's son or daughter, brother or sister, friend, classmate, neighbor, and the list is endless. There sacrifice is shameful and we are all stained with the burden of their deaths for life. Don't forget ever Alex.
Agree to disagree.
Just want to say I'm not sure I've cleared up the liberal vs Liberal confusion. My references to "liberal" were shorthand for classical liberalism. According to Wikipedia: "Classical liberalism is a philosophy committed to the ideal of limited government, liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly, and free markets." All my talk about the proliferation of liberal democracies around the world has the above definition in mind.
one .50 cal. bullet solves Ghadaffi's problem…GTFO of OBama's Cloward & Piven War Scams…
Democrats are a disease needing a surgical cure…
This is pure tyranny (like MaObamacare) … where are the RINOs in Congress? John Boehner should be screaming non-stop about all of this.
father_moray is right (above). This is pure "Cloward & Piven War Scams."
Wacky Qadaffi knows the longer he stays in power the more impotent Obama looks. Nice going Barry.
Then get on Obammy for just that…we can't help you…
We have the Congress working on it already, by invoking War Powers…but you can't blame them if Obammy is tap dancing madly on the head of a pin saying it doesn't apply…
Put the blame where it belongs…or support impeachment and removal by the House and the Senate…
"by invoking War Powers"
Forgive me, I'm not a WPA expert, but if the carrot is going in front of Congress and getting approval for those actions, what exactly is the stick? Just that he's in violation of some bill that is arguably Constitutionally dubious to begin with? No wonder Obama and others before him care so little about it. There's no penalty.
If Congress wants to do something, they could defund the military operations there. IMO breaking that law should be grounds for impeachment as he's openly violating the law. But is Congress going to do anything other than whine and complain? Not bloodly likely. That's why I put the blame right at Congress' feet. Obama's made the first move and Congress is waffling
I'm not fussy…an axe or chain saw would be just fine…
Okay, let me try to digest that oratory…
You're mad at Congress for not STOPPING Obammy quick enough (which will probably take both the Republican House AND the Democrat Senate), but you're not all that into attacking Obammy for CAUSING it…?
Where in New Mexico did you go to school…? Amy Biehl…?
I gotta go take something for the headache you induced…
GOP and backbone don't belong in the same sentence. I just heard that Mitch McConnell said that we (meaning WE THE PEOPLE) would have to settle on at least "temporarily" raising the debt ceiling now because there is no long-term agreement in sight to deal with the situation.
Yeah, fold like a deck of cards, McConnell. That's just great.
I think I knew this would come. The Republicans (most of them) never really caught on to the Tea Party thing AT ALL.
Its pitchforks and torches, folks.
I didn't edit anything. What are you even talking about?
something about commies being entrenched 90 miles off our southern border leaves a bad taste in my mouth…………..and has since i was a youngster.
Obama's on my long list of ppl I'm angry at. For example, where are all the anti-war liberals that were bashing Pres Bush for 7 years? Where's the deafeningly silent media?
But it's not like Congress didn't see this coming. You could tell the moment the President said he was getting involved with Libya that he wasn't planning on ever following the Constitution (which doesn't allow for this kind of military involvement) or the WPA (in which the 60 day limit already passed AFAIK).
I also remember talk about this exact topic 1 month ago (from Senator Paul IIRC), and what has Congress done since then? Nothing. That sends the very unfortunate message that Congress doesn't care when its own laws are broken.
"which will probably take both the Republican House AND the Democrat Senate"
Ok, so what exactly are they waiting for?
I think it'd be flattering to the Cuban dictators to say that communism is entrenched there. Just wait another decade when most of the old farts die out. Watch how entrenched communism is then. You know they've run out of ideas when 80 year-old ideologues start injecting free-market medicine into their ailing socialist economy.
But yeah, communism on our doorstep was definitely more egregious back in the day.
soon enough…
The GOP needs revolved into the Tea Party…then we get action…
Hmmmm…a true artist!
Obama isn't listening…he urinates on WE THE PEOPLE like the Golf-Mojo Chockie Punk Monk that he is…Jive Ommam….CoonTail Caliphate…Mr. Collapse USA Ole'….punk him back….then prosecute his lame azzz.
Yes, Mommar Quaddaffi's a bad actor, but so are many other world wide dictators.
Barack H. Obama II, aka Barry Soetoro have no justification whatsoever to have military hostilities with Libya. IMO, Obama is 100% in violation of the "1973 War Powers Act." Moreover, without Congressional authorization to use force, Obama may have, and could be charged with a criminal act by unilaterally attacking Libya.
Hope and Change in the Middle East
by Victor Davis Hanson
"This was the sort of split-the-difference address that the president is now famous for — long on Icarus-like soaring phraseology, very short on down-to-earth realities.
The first third of the president’s speech was a good summary of prior (dare we say it?) neoconservative analyses: Middle East autocracies blame Israel and the US, and often manipulate terrorism as a way to divert attention from their own failures to provide freedom and economic security to their people. Evidently, they are unwilling to address their societies’ endemic cultural, economic, and social problems: tribalism, religious intolerance, gender apartheid, statism, authoritarian government, and on and on. Yesterday, that was a neocon fantasy of Wolfowitz, Perle, and Bush; today, it is apparently part of a landmark new diplomacy. And yet, in this comprehensive speech on the Middle East, the word “Islam” was never mentioned.
Then, in the second third of his speech, Obama constructed a false narrative that his modest efforts over the last 27 months on the diplomatic front marked a watershed in the history of American policy. In truth, Obama embraced democratic reform only belatedly (recall his advice not to “meddle” when Iranians protested Iranian theocracy in the streets, or the characterization of the creepy Bashar Assad as a “reformer,” or Joe Biden’s assertion that Mubarak was not a dictator), a fact well known in the Middle East. It is curious that Iraq serves as a success in this new narrative, given Barack Obama’s five-year rhetorical assault on the effort — e.g., his demands to pull out all troops by March 2008 and declare the incipient surge that saved democracy a failure. And given the manifest historical fallacies and inaccuracies in the Cairo speech, was it wise for Obama to reference it as a sort of didactic example?"
Continue reading here: http://victorhanson.com/articles/hanson052011.htm...
Real artists can make beauty with any tool handy…
Fortunately, I could bring my own tools, plus some others…aluminum bats, hammers, etc…
I have been looking for a cricket bat online…like to try with one of those…
Obama's time has come:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN-guaYcTVk
Hell it's not like we have to put any real thought into this. Remember," people are being killed" and " think about the children". http://www.watchesn.com
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