Sunday Open Thread: Gallipoli Edition

WW I is not much more than an asterisk in K-12 Textbooks today. Progressive Woodrow Wilson was not only President but he showed his true RACIST colors by segregating our troops (which happened to be fully integrated at the time) …and so much more. Academia can't have our chillins' knowing that or anything else about that oppressive man and what he did to our Constitution and this Country.

Waltzing Matilda …used to sing this song as a kid – as our 1956 Ford Station Wagon was named Matilda.
My mom, a car whiz, souped her up and raced her in the Powder Puff Derby's to "make ends meet".

Wars have always a purpose, like all robberies. But who normally plays both sides?

The Communist International was first simply known as the League of the Just, a branch of the papal Illuminati.

Roosevelt was a 33rd degree mason like Churchill, Stalin, even Himmler: "in Himmler I see our [dear incest Father] jessuit L0yola". : Hitler

Third Reich: “The Spiritual Exercises of Ignatius of L0yola served as the foundation; the supreme law was absolute obedience, the execution of any order whatsoever without question. Himmler himself, as Reichsfuhrer of the SS, was the general of the order. He owned an extremely large and excellent library on the Cath olic Jessuit Order and for years would sit up late studying the extensive literature. Thus he built up the SS organization according to the principles of the Jessuits."

- “I am now as before a Cat holic and will always remain so.” – Adolf Hitler.

…Goebbels, Bormann, Kaltenbrunner, Hoess…studied for the priesthood… Karl Marx maintained close ties with the Jessuits and Freemasonry,
Karl Marx was a 33rd-degree Freemason, a worshipper of Lucifer, whose father wanted nothing to do with him, because his father was a Baptist preacher, Karl Marx, Pop es own jessuit http://1phil4everyill.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/ap...

TODAY: All US lawbr… err lawmakers have a common Red Mass for a mass mrderer… jessuit Thomas More. He is now a 'saint via pap al blessing', man whom all these revered jessuits pray for in the RED MASS (see link below). Man whom Pop e sent personally to oversee the Bible-In-English translator Tyndale – burned alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3edVd6-SJgs
http://www.angelfire.com/on/3angels/vaticannazis.html

US Trilaterals & Cardinal blessed VIP = marxists http://www.illuminati-news.com/0/PicturesOfPapalI...

Gallipoli set the country of Turkey on it's way and it's strongman leader Attaturk into a position of leadership – although the Ottoman Empire dissolved Turkey came out of it "ok." The dissolution of the Ottoman Empire set the world on a course we are STILL ON today.

The countries of Iraq, Syria. Lebanon, Jordan. Saudi Arabia, the Emirates et al were products of Great Britian, a hitorian, Churchill, map and a pencil. Countries were created out of thin air, enemies pushed together by arbitrary lines – and oil was the reason. Britian and British Petroleum KNEW there was a bonanza to be had and leaving it to savages like the various Muslim sects would set back progress by – oh – a few HUNDRED years. The various Arabs involved would hold a grudge from 1919 on – they were lied to and screwed – but prehaps incapable of self determination at that point.

Lastly the expulsion of Great Britian and creation of Israel was tantamount to lighting the fuse of a barrel of gun powder.

Waltzing Matilda is the unofficial national anthem of Australia, great song and that is a great song about the song.

One answer to that. In 1938, in the universe I inhabit, the Pope issued an encyclical entitled "Mit Brenner Sorge", (With Burning Sorrow) which condemned the racial theories of Nazism as "profoundly Un-Christian. This was the only papal encyclical ever written in German, so that it could be read to German Catholics attending Mass. Every pastor of a Catholic church in Germany read this encyclical at a Catholic Mass and virtually all of them were sent to concentration camps where they DIED!

Glad I could that up for you, my friend. I'm sure you just had an honest misunderstanding of the connection between the Pope and Hitler

One other wildcard of course is that Europe hadn't seen a serious war in 44 years and the weapons used had increased two quantum leaps in lethality in the interim. So, the military leaders were working with a Napoleonic War paradigm while facing 20th century weapons, and the resulting slaughter was beyond their cognitive capacities to deal with. They couldn't adapt because they had 19th century minds that didn't know how to adapt

That's why WWI led to Fascism and Communism and Nazism. It destroyed the very mindset that would have restrained nations from going down these blind allies, because that mindset had been completetly discredited.

"And the band played Waltzing Mathilda" – Eric Bogle

When I was a young man I carried my pack
And I lived the free life of a rover
From the Murrays green basin to the dusty outback
I waltzed my Matilda all over
Then in nineteen fifteen my country said Son
It's time to stop rambling 'cause there's work to be done
So they gave me a tin hat and they gave me a gun
And they sent me away to the war
And the band played Waltzing Matilda
As we sailed away from the quay
And amidst all the tears and the shouts and the cheers
We sailed off to Gallipoli

How well I remember that terrible day
How the blood stained the sand and the water
And how in that hell that they called Suvla Bay
We were butchered like lambs at the slaughter
Johnny Turk he was ready, he primed himself well
He chased us with bullets, he rained us with shells
And in five minutes flat he'd blown us all to hell
Nearly blew us right back to Australia
But the band played Waltzing Matilda
As we stopped to bury our slain
We buried ours and the Turks buried theirs
Then we started all over again

Now those that were left, well we tried to survive
In a mad world of blood, death and fire
And for ten weary weeks I kept myself alive
But around me the corpses piled higher
Then a big Turkish shell knocked me arse over tit
And when I woke up in my hospital bed
And saw what it had done, I wished I was dead
Never knew there were worse things than dying
For no more I'll go waltzing Matilda
All around the green bush far and near
For to hump tent and pegs, a man needs two legs
No more waltzing Matilda for me

So they collected the cripples, the wounded, the maimed
And they shipped us back home to Australia
The armless, the legless, the blind, the insane
Those proud wounded heroes of Suvla
And as our ship pulled into Circular Quay
I looked at the place where my legs used to be
And thank Christ there was nobody waiting for me
To grieve and to mourn and to pity
And the band played Waltzing Matilda
As they carried us down the gangway
But nobody cheered, they just stood and stared
Then turned all their faces away

And now every April I sit on my porch
And I watch the parade pass before me
And I watch my old comrades, how proudly they march
Reliving old dreams of past glory
And the old men march slowly, all bent, stiff and sore
The forgotten heroes from a forgotten war
And the young people ask, "What are they marching for?"
And I ask myself the same question
And the band plays Waltzing Matilda
And the old men answer to the call
But year after year their numbers get fewer
Some day no one will march there at all

Waltzing Matilda, Waltzing Matilda
Who'll come a waltzing Matilda with me
And their ghosts may be heard as you pass the Billabong
Who'll come-a-waltzing Matilda with me?

I don't agree with everfything Robert Pirsig has written, but he has some good points on WWI. He claims that the Victorians were in charge during this war. They had not kept up on the lethality of the weapons at that time. They sent thousands of young men into battle and the young men were slaughtered by the breach-loading rapid fire artillery pieces, machine guns and poison gas. The West recoiled at the slaughter and blamed the Victorians. The young men who survived did a 180 degree turn which led to the Roaring 20s which led to the stock market crash which led to the depression……. I believe that the Russian Revolution with the introduction of communism also trace back to the slaughter. The dark seeds of the slaughter of WWI bear bitter fruit even today.

Churchill's invasion of Gallipoli, which was his plan to take the Germans from behind and open another front, was a sound strategy. The battle for Gallipoli should have been won for the Allies with the invasion of Suvla Bay. Trouble was, the elderly British generals were incapable of decisive action, and they did not advance when everything was in their favor.

The heights around Suvla bay were undefended by the Turks. If the Allied landing forces had charged right up there as they were supposed to, the Turks would have been taken by surprise, from behind, and it would have been all over for them. The Allies would have swept them off the Gallipoli peninsula and marched into Constantinople, and from there attacked the Germans from behind on the Western Front just as Churchill had intended.

But instead of charging the enemy from behind at Suvla Bay as they had been ordered to do, the old British general in charge of the invasion force decided to camp on the beach instead, set up his headquarters there, and did not advance as he had been ordered, using the excuse that he was waiting for his artillery to land. The truth was that he was simply timid and incompetent.

The result was predictable–the Turks soon discovered the British landing at Suvla Bay and occupied the heights surrounding it while the British were bathing in the sea and otherwise dawdling about on the shore. When they finally did advance, (under the urging of Ian Hamilton, the overall commander, who remained at sea on his command ship, largely out of touch with the invasion force) it was too late, the element of surprise had been lost, and the Allied invasion of Suvla was checked.

The problem was the lack of leadership among the Allies at Gallipoli, not Churchill's strategy. The war had ballooned out of control and a lot of old British generals were pulled out of retirement to fill vacancies in the command structure. These retreads were often mentally unfit for modern warfare. A hard-charging young general who had obeyed his orders at Suvla Bay would have defeated the Turks on Gallipoli, rolled up their defense, captured Constantinople, and moved on against the Germans as Churchill had intended.

Read Gallipoli by Alan Moorehead.

CallmeLennie "How you can receive this undisputed historical fact which leads to only one possible conclusion and still persist in linking the Catholic Church to Hitler is beyond me."

Usual libturd claims – "fact" references shine (= missing…) Even if it was true, the conclusion is purely yours: One fact wont cancel millions others.

Yes, undoubtly will be beyond u -plus- anyone who deliberately keep looking the other way… when buckets full of eyes are being shown, boasted by papal awarded special emissary A nte P avelic. You r claiming against given facts (see the refenrences) that A nte did not receive his awards from Po pe. He as a Cath olic priest and SS officer did not run the Balkan camps he run where over million perished. Over which camps not one complaint was given from vat-i-can. Not one.