Wednesday Open Thread: Poland Edition
by PubliusToday, in 1939, Germany invaded Poland, ushering in World War II.
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114 Comments
Thank God the good guys and gals won this one. I salute every veteran living and dead in defeating the nazis, fascists, and japs. You did not want to be on the losing end of that one. The world would be a radically different place if it had gone the other way.
Its scary to think about it……….I guess the trouble down through the beltway pales in comparison.
I think………
Few years following the greatest generation was forced to get involved and took center stage making America into a true industrial machine supporting our great military. After the war those companies that created tanks, jeeps, planes, bombs, bullets etc retooled and made everything from refrigerators, to toasters, phones etc etc; making the US the center of the world for innovation, manufacturing and new products. Look at what "we" have done to their blood, sweat and tears. I am sorry to those of you for your sins and sacrifices that made America number 1 then and now we are what #5? Not only did you win WW2 persevered during the depression and boom our economy you also and passed on those learning lessons that got lost no thanks to the radicals that came out of the late 60's early 70's! I hate that era sorry.
Now those radicals from that horrid time who have destroyed everything the great generation produced are now running this country… running it straight into the ground. IMO they are doing it on purpose, a few years ago I would never say such a thing but not today noway! We have to spend more to save more, jobless recovery, busting kids with lemonade stands, too big to fail, bailouts with money we dont have WHICH they know for a fact. Wake up folks the animals in DC have spit on our parents and grand parents are destroying everything they built to reconstitute some marxist hippy degenerate utopia that will never work!
Yes Beck has shown to restore the nation we must go back to our roots of our founders. Know who you are be true to yourself but let it be known the tactics of the past DO NOT WORK 3/21/10(passing of healthcare law) proved that. There is one road left to the salvation for America and it requires unconventional tactics & actions in dealing with the corrupt ANIMALS through http://www.savingtherepublic.com
That was the day England and France woke up to the fact that they could not appease Germany. Why the hell did it take them so long? Has the world learned the lessons from that era? I do not think so, nuclear N. Korea, and soon to be Iran come to mind as reasons why not. Will we ever learn?
Great post, I agree 100 %.
But wait! The rewritten version is coming soon!
Someday Soon an Islamist regime will invade __________ and WW3 will begin as we all realize Islam is not a religion of peace, it is a manual for the subjegating of the "lesser peoples", like Jews and Christians.
Call it "Blitzkrieg II"
The photo is entitled german_soldiers_in_burning_norwegian_village_1940.jpg
"My good friends, this is the second time there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time. We thank you from the bottom of our hearts. Now I recommend you go home, and sleep quietly in your beds." – Neville Chamberlain
~BOOM!~
Appeasement never works, but some seem never to learn that lesson. Morons.
100% correct! And yet, the same brand of morons continue to try to ram that appeasement doctrine down our throats….what, do they think with mere repetition we'll just roll over?
Not happening, not on our watch.
After this November Election, we need to see the true conservative leader for the future. If you are reading this we need hope (not hope & change unless is to change back) that there is one true leader waiting in the wings. This time we need a Reagan with an attitude.
In time we are going to look back on this time as a depression that started in 2005, triggered by the $1 Trillion extorted from our economy in 2006 from high gasoline prices. The lack of developing our natural resources is once again going to prove the largest mistake of our time. This Green agenda is going to be proven as accurate as eugenics and other pop science.
……………"Thank God the good guys and gals won this one."
What a Racist and UnObama thing to say
You must be a Teabagger
ReEducation camp for you !!!
/sarc
This is to where Appeasement Leads.
When the Muslims were at the gates of Vienna, the Poles rode down over the Carpathian Mountains to send them back to the Hell that was and is the Middle East.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2010/08/collaps...
Does anybody have any idea what that soldier is thinking on the front page of the Drudgereport???
I do………………………."Get your stinkin @X*&%$#@#$%&X……………….."
perhaps………….."nice manicure"
Naaaa………..That's not racist.
…………but noblama swapping out Winston Churchills bust for Martin Luther Kings during the recent Oval Office renovations……………….idono?…………maybe???
I wonder if he had it packed up and shipped back to Winstons' kids? LOL.
Giving credit where it was due, the Pole's were tough.
The Polish Cavalry was among the best, and toughest fighting force in old Europe. It takes a tough man to charge an armored battalion ahorseback. They were outmanned and outgunned. The world had changed…………..
We are appeasing muslims now.
Did we win???
Disjointed speech, ok, everybody back on your head, it's communism or bust.
Yes we were victorious,…but do ya think that maybe,……..
the war would not have lasted as long if,…….
we would've put a time limit on it……..????
we are going to have to keep a close eye on Iraq.
I know, we have been since Carter. The scary thought is, Iran will have nukes soon and the US is on the decline. Who is there that will step up to the plate to stop them?
Iraq will be lost in another year or so.
The Muslims learned a lot from Hitler…….
The grand mufti Muhammed Amin al-Husseini comes to mind……..
along with the volunteer muslim regiments that cleansed the NAZI occupied areas of Russia………
EDUCATE YOURSELF………READ A TRANSLATION OF THE KORAN.
Poland stood for a week. Makes one wonder what would have happened if they were mechanized too.
National Socialist spreading their special brand of Socialism too an unwilling people, hmmm…sound familiar.
and we had a prez who sent illegal aliens home to give jobs to the returning GI's!! We now have had a series of prez's who love catch and release or just ignoring the problem or give slaps on the wrists to those that hire the illegals…
What did Hoover, Truman, and Eisenhower have in common?
Ask any person who is out of work or working for poverty wages how they feel about illegal immigrants working in the United States and you won't be able to print some of the answers.
The problem with illegal immigration is not new. The problem had to be addressed by President Hoover, President Truman and President Eisenhower.
Back during The Great Depression, President Herbert Hoover ordered the deportation of ALL illegal aliens in order to make jobs available to American citizens that desperately needed work.
Harry Truman deported over two million Illegal's after WWII to create jobs for returning veterans.
And then again in 1954, President Dwight Eisenhower deported 13 million Mexican Nationals! The program was called 'Operation Wetback'. It was done so WWII and Korean Veterans would have a better chance at jobs. It took 2 Years, but they deported them!
Dangerous when you have a middle class, white nationalist movement blaming liberals, g..ays, immigrants, etc, for the downfall of a society then promise to restore the country to it's former glory. Does that sound familiar? Yes. Yes it does. Socialist economic polices where the least of Germany's problems. In fact, and quite ironicaly, it was the only part of their rule that worked.
AMEN Sir!
Mr. Peter Flannery you are absolutely correct!
Edmund Burke said it very well in 1770, "when bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle."
I will pray that God gives you the wisdom to read the real history and the ability to learn and change.
Poland was the first country to start fighting the Nazis in WWII and was the last place fighting stopped in Europe.
In a way, most Poles continued fighting WWII until 1989, when the commies were ousted.
I've probably read more on ww2 and Hitler's Germany than most. I do know what I'm talking about and the parallels between the rise of the right in Germany and now in the United States, along with every country where you see a right wing resurgence always has the same elements. And FYI, Hitler greatly regretted the word Socialism due to it's association with Marxism which he violently oopposed. Hitler was against class warfare and believed in privare property. I love this revisionism that goes on here where because of the word "socialism" conservatives feebly attempt to paint the Nazi's as a left wing movement even though it's the polar opposite in just about every respect to liberalism or Marxism. How can you be leftist and say "communism is my greatest enemy?" Ummm….you can't. See because what communism really entails is multi-culturalism and I think it would be obvious to anyone that the Nazi's weren't multi-culturalists and if you might have noticed liberals usually are. The fight over the mosque and immigration would be a good indicator of that.
Yeah I didn't want to be persnickity but that is clearly not a picture of German troops invading Poland in 1939.
Imagine we had the leaders of today facing that fateful time, what would we do? Probably seek immediate talks with Germany and threaten to start discussing a framework for the possible start to sanctions that, if ignored long enough, may bite?
I…don't..know….perhaps…all is…lost…..Kirk out.
I will pray that God gives you the wisdom to learn the truth from all your reading.
You are so right my friend.
Nobody talks about that fact. The Poles were the first to be invaded, and the last to be freed. The Poles fought communism from 1939 to 1989.
50 years…………..
If we think we are going to turn the tide of Progressiveism with one election this November, and another one in November 2012, we are sadly deluding ourselves. We are embroiled in a generational struggle. From Woodrow Wilson forward, they have a hundred year head start. The best we can do, the most we can do, is to educate people, especially the up and coming generations of Patriots.
How apropos – those Pollacks were TERRORISTS Ref: Gleiwitz incident – but some LUNATICS think it was an "inside job."
I keep praying for you, i see it isn't helping you much yet. Listen for God, he will lead you to the light and mend your ways.
Hey ……nice!
BTW, the bolts on the side of your neck are loose.
Hitler's biggest concern was the French stopping him at the Marginot Line, had the French had a little backbone things might have turned out a little differently.
You don't invade other Countries to impose Dictatorship! and you don't do it here in America either!
That is the whole history of Poland. Again and again the piece loving Poles were invaded, divided and invaded again. They have withstood so much throughout their history.
The only thing those people have of value is oil, stop buying oil and their cash flow goes away, can't buy bullets with sand.
The Nazis staged the Gleiwitz incident.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident
I can get more links.
“…the details of the Gleiwitz Incident are placed under closer scrutiny a fairly transparent plot that had been hatched by Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich Müller, the chief of the Gestapo is uncovered. The Polish troops were actually German operatives and the dead solider was a Franciszek Honiok, a German known for sympathizing with the Poles, he had been arrested the previous day by the Gestapo. He was then dressed to look like a saboteur; killed by a lethal injection, then shot, and left at the scene, so that he appeared to have been killed in the attack on the station.”
http://www.historytimes.com/fresh-perspectives-in...
You must be a conspiracy theorist.
The southern hundred miles or so of Arizona is under control of Mexican drug cartel. I guess Obama is too busy suing Arizona to help them!
We are still praying, listen for God, he will help you see the light and mend your ways.
This provocation was one of several actions in Operation Himmler, a Nazi Germany SS project to create the appearance of Polish aggression against Germany….
http://www.indiastudychannel.com/resources/9263-G...
Oh, I doubt that.
Did you know that Hitler was a member of a communist committee….in his own military unit during WWI.
No?
The choice of terms was by no means regretted. They had many years to change it.
I suppose the logical end of your argument is that we are going to produce a new Fuhrer in response to all this….blah, blah, blah……….using progressive leftists and mongoloid liberals as boogeymen, blah, blah, blah……..
You're not paying attention. You draw the wrong parallels. In Nazi Germany, the Party and the Government were EVERYTHING. Now, who does that sound like in contemporary America?
Taint Conservatives, Buckwheat.
There is no Rise of the Right…. There is an awakening of what has been there all along. We don't want a leader, we don't want a Fuhrer and we don't want the government in our lives. If it's the Fuhrer principle you wish to articulate, just who goes into rapturous songs of praise for the Chicago Corporal? Who wishes to expand inefficient government into every area of our lives? Who wants CONTROL?
You are cherry picking Nazi ideals and applying them piecemeal, to fit a preconceived notion. Progressives meet every one of those ideals.
Pollocks? what else does your limited vocabulary have, Frogs, Krauts, Canuks, Spics, Limies, etc., etc.? And you liberals call the Republicans racists? Have you ever wondered why you are the only one here that has a negative 112 rating? Or in your twisted mind you think everybody that has a positive rating is wrong, your Queen Hillary Clinton calls it "A vast right wing conspiracy". Thank God there are not a whole lot of you twisted losers.
I guess when you can't win on points you forfeit. Oh well…Maybe you should just read? And what other parallels are there between Tea party patriots and right wing german fascists? Puritanism, and a generally sex-negative attitude, hatred of modern art, anti-choice, pro-military….
You pray, I'll point and laugh!
So says a supporter of the Iraq war…man you people are clueless.
Minus 61 and were clueless, go back to school and take a Math Class.
LOL!!!!
We're still praying, one hopes God hasn't given up on you.
Theorists bend the evidence to fit a desired scenario.
Facts speak for themselves.
Sounds like a good combo….
I pray God lets you see the light and mends your ways.
Your post reveals that you're an elementary level revisionist historian…at best……and a willing Fascist apologist….at least.
How cute everyone….an unemployed journalista….playing dress up as The Anarchist.
Well said Cowboy. It appears that the struggle that has surfaced is "education". As the State has filled the void left by God being taken out of our schools, we currently see a curriculum of relativism. The product of this is a generation of apologist who cannot define who they are as Americans and how it distinguishes them (what should be proudly) from the rest of the world. One can only hope that the tide has turned and the steps being taken will lead to future Patirots, but it will take time.
Great post…..good addition to the conversation.
We were saving an oppressed people. They VOTED for the first time in their lives! Women are going to school for the first time! Liberty and Freedom are the reverse of Dictatorship! Try to remember that. That was lesson 101 in Liberation for you. Do your homework and come back tomorrow for your next "de-programming" class.
……and if the French had half the sand the Pols had.
In 1930, Hitler said: "Our adopted term ‘Socialist’ has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not."[112] In 1931, during a confidential interview with influential editor Richard Breiting of the Leipziger Neueste Nachrichten, a pro-business newspaper.
The party and the government were everything? Doesnt sound like anyone here. If you think it does you're projecting. If you believe that somehow a national health care system not unlike they have in countries like the UK, Israel, France, Netherlands, etc, equates to a worship of government, I pity you. It doesnt. Did the Bush administration not expand government ten fold as well? You don't believe there is ideological/social parallel between the right in America and the fascist right in Germany? Then you arent paying attention. You have the same list of enemies. Liberals, g..ays, immigrants, modern art(Hollywood), and drone on endlessly about 'taking the country back". To whom are you taking it back is the other question I have?
And government regulation as it applies to business and markets has always been and is completely practical. Not an ideological issue.
You wan't a leader but don't have one. I understand that Glen Beck, Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, etc. arent't exactly great leaders. Keep searching.
2194 days.
55 million dead.
3 million missing.
This war actually began with signing of the Versailles Treaty in 1919 that denuded Germany and guaranteed a future war would be unavoidable.
The country that started the war was Germany. Its leader was Adolph Hitler. His political party was the National Socialist German Workers Party – a radical liberal-progressive movement that made the Fabian Socialist Society model look like a glacier by comparison of the spin-up to complete tyranny. Germany was joined by Italy (Italian Socialist Republic). Its leader was Benito Mussolini. His political party was the National Fascist Party – a neo-fascist party that was a dictatorship that included free-market economic programs, but with government control of industrial policy and the allocation of resources. Germany was also joined by Japan (Empire of Japan). It's leader was Emperor Hirohito. He was a figurehead in the Japanese society and it was mainly controlled by the "New Order" (Shintaisen) that was a dictatorship and feudal economic society.
Germany started the war in an alliance (non-aggression pact) with the Soviet Union – stating that the socialists in Russia were, more or less, the same as the socialists in Germany. Hitler later committed his chief blunder in the war by attacking the Soviet Union and creating a two-front war that lead to the destruction of his country.
The cost of this war was beyond calculation and ended the hegemony of Europe in world affairs for generations and the United States and Soviet Union emerged as the lone "super powers" of a world completely destroyed by the conflict that destroyed most of Europe and a large measure of Asia.
All of it started on a war day at the end of the summer of 1939 as Americans were flocking to theaters across the country to see the startling Technicolor presentation of The Wizard Of Oz.
Actually, Wilson dragged us into WWI with the rediculous promise that it would be the "war to end all wars".
Ever notice people it's always the liberal progressive nitwits who invariably expose themselves as intolerant or even racist?
But didn't the "Greatest Generation" also give us FDR along with his dramatic expansion of the welfare state and demonization of capitalism?
He has helped. He has had signs posted letting American Citizens know that the Southern portion of AZ is trafficked by Mexican Nationals carrying guns, drugs and moving other Mexican Nationals into our Country, clearly an academic approach to solving the problem. If an American is killed, robbed, raped in the southern portion of the United States by Mexican Nationals then he can say "Didn't you read the signs?".
Regarding him suing AZ I think he is still upset that Arizona State University did not give him a honorary doctorate when he gave the commencement address in 2009. If ASU had given him the honor than I’m sure he would be doing more. Kind of like on the Gulf coast he'd problably take his family on vacation to Nogales AZ for a day and have tacos… I am enjoying this morning sarcasm too much, the sooner this jug-eared Chicago hustler is booted out of the White house, the better.
Bad Timing plus Bad Decision plus Bad Diplomacy = Another Obama diplomatic blunder = NO LEADERSHIP
Last year on this day, Obama scrapped the Bush missile defense system designed to protect Poland and other eastern European countries against Russia.
No quid pro quo, just scrapped.
Obama got NOTHING in return.
Yes he did. For his ignorance he got a weaker Europe and USA for his stupidity. Now, in case of war BO will campaign the enemy into submission.
All they gotta do is hold out two years,.maybe
While we celebrate the brave patriots of WWII, let us not forgot those who fought in the "Forgotten War" in Korea. They also went through a brutal hell.
http://www.tourofdc.org/monuments/KoreanWarMemori...
A moment of silent prayer for all who gave some and for those who gave all.
This is one of the best things I love about this site,…….
thanks there WZ
Liberals like WWII because we fought on the same side as Communists.
Ya got to listen for the voice of God if you are going to see the light.
Good post, that sums it up nicely.
The good guys didn't win in Poland just traded one tyranny for another.
'Pollacks'
Why don't you grow up and use some fucking respect when you post on this board.
Your account should be removed, you are a fucking racist moron asshole.
Do you understand me jack ass?
You must be a racist asshole.
UPDATE: Obama receives the Russian® Reset Button™. Which is different than the Staples® Easy Button™.
Beware of Russians bearing 'gifts'. http://joekiddone.blogspot.com/2010/09/another-ob...
Great retort Harry!
Polska nie zginie!
Smedley, smedley, little, little smedley,
There you go again. Walking around in public with your pecker in your hand. Didn't yo' momma learn you anything?
Calling him names is not going to help, just try and show him how wrong he is. He is not that bright, I don't know anybody that can't spell Pollock,
Ahhh, prejudice! It's the progressive way to fight bigotry at every turn.
I always remember the words of Stalin when talking about the difficulties of bringing the Poles to yield under his government "Bringing communism to Poland is like trying to saddle a cow." He supposedly said something similar about Germany…
The Poles have a long history of being oppressed, resisting and then building them selves back up. The Teutonic knight, the Holy Roman Empire, Prussians, Austrians, Russians, Germans and the Soviets, they all tried to break the Poles and each failed in one way or another…
I had friends and co-workers from Poland and they each told me the exact same thing, They all loved President Bush and they would have rather Poland Joined the US than the European Union. They love our freedom and understood how it could be easily stripped away.
They managed to keep their cities, Culture, traditions, language and history alive and underground for decades, they resisted every moment of German and Soviet rule and they paid for their freedom with more blood than could be imagined.
Hell they fought for our freedoms as well, General Tadeusz Kościuszko, a Polish National, was given US citizenship and his rank for his actions in the Revolution and there are at least 4 statues dedicated to him here in the US and Thomas Jefferson said of him "As pure a son of liberty as I have ever known."
I have nothing but respect for my Polish Brothers and some day I plan to visit "The Heart of Europe".
Sept. 1, 1939 was the start of World War II? A lot of Manchurians might take exception to that statement, seeing as how the Imperial Japanese army marched in a full eight years earlier, took the place by force and committed mass atrocities that would make Nazis blush. And over in that corner, Ethiopians are clearing their throats and getting ready to remind us that their nation drew the short straw during il Duce's drive for Italian lebensraum in 1935.
I prefer to think of 09/01/1939 as the date when the future European allies were finally gobsmacked into seeing the threat of National Socialist Germany for what it was.
Your post triggered a search of the history of islam's siege of Europe.
Hell, those bast… "peaceloving guys" have been trying to overrun the world since the 600's!
But I've heard from the MSM that they have changed their ways and just want us to know the real meaning of their religion of love <sarc> or off with your head.
Http://www.thelatinlibrary/imperialism/notes/isla…
God save us (again).
I'd just to use this thread to pay tribute to my next door neighbour.
In 1939 he was in the Polish Air Force when Germany inavded. He was lucky and managed to escape to France where he briefly joined the French Air Force until France also fell. Escaping again he reached the UK and served for the rest of the war as a pilot in the RAF.
After the war he stayed here. Though he has been back to Poland, for example when he was made an honourary Colonel in their Air Force .
Without men such as Jurick Mencel (hope I've got the spelling right there) we would be living vastly different lives.
So sometimes governments falsify "attacks" in order to generate support for war?
The idea for fake “border incidents”, in which Germany would apparently be the victim of attacks by Poles probably came from Heydrich himself. It was he who was ordered to stage them, assisted by SS-Oberfuhrer Muller, head of the Gestapo.
http://www.war-today.com/the-gleiwitz-incident-an...
Well, you covered the earth being flat and the moon landings being faked, I guess it was only a matter of time before you moved onto space aliens building Macchu Picchu.
I was wondering why they were in winter clothing on Sept 1
I am still praying for ya Smelly … er Smedley
Thats all he has Harry, its all he has.
Poland has not yet perished, long live a free Poland. My grand fathers homeland.
Why should they want to stop him? Perhaps he could have done for France what we are doing for Iraq?
Smedley's just sad his all powerful, Aryan ubermensches got their asses kicked by a bunch of Americans, Brits and Russians. And to top it off, the Jews fought for and won their own country. And what helped them do it? None other than Czech-made Messerschmidt BF 109s, which along with a small order of Supermarine Spitfires, constituted the first planes in the Israeli Air Force.
Oh, sweet irony, how you deliver for thee.
Summary of transcript from Hell, dated 1949:
Demon #1: Hey, Hitler, guess what?
Hitler: Ja?
Demon #2: The Jews just won their independence, they've founded their own country in the Holy Land, the first independent Jewish state since the Hasmoneans!
Hitler(muttering): Sheisse…
Demon #1: But you know what the most delicious part is?
Hitler: Um…nein?
Demon #2 shows picture to Hitler.
Demon #2: They used your prize fighter!
Hitler: Nein!!!!
Demonic laughter, Hitler's screams muffled when Satan reinserted ball-gag and took him off to "torture" chamber.
We need a picture of Wojtek, the Polish soldier bear somewhere up there. That crazy animal actually delivered artillery shells to Polish troops through German fire at Monte Cassino.
I can't remember who said it, and I just recently read it again, that had we lost WWII………..we'd be speaking Japanese west of the Mississippi…..and German east of it.
I'm pretty happy being fluent in neither.
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