Muslim Leaders Abandon Plans for Ground Zero Mosque?
by PubliusUPDATE: A New York Daily News correspondent reports the Hareetz story is untrue:
UPDATE from our Sam Goldsmith, who’s been following this issue and just got off the phone with Sharif El-Gamal, the developer of the project:
“That’s complete misinformation. That’s crazy,” El-Gamal said.
“That’s totally totally wrong. This is more misinformation in this web of misinformation.”
“We’ve never even talked about this as an idea. Everything is on track and moving forward at the same location.”
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From Haaretz.com:
After weeks of heated debate over plans for an Islamic community center near Ground Zero – the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York – it seems Muslim leaders will soon back down, agreeing to move to a new site.
The decision follows a high-profile campaign against the project that included advertisements on New York buses showing images of the burning Twin Towers, an iconic landmark razed when al-Qaida terrorists flew packed passenger planes into them in 2001. The New York Republican party is also said to be planning a hostile television campaign.
After weeks of heated debate over plans for an Islamic community center near Ground Zero – the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York – it seems Muslim leaders will soon back down, agreeing to move to a new site.
The decision follows a high-profile campaign against the project that included advertisements on New York buses showing images of the burning Twin Towers, an iconic landmark razed when al-Qaida terrorists flew packed passenger planes into them in 2001. The New York Republican party is also said to be planning a hostile television campaign.
Sources in New York said on Monday that Muslim religious and business leaders will announce plans to abandon the project in the next few days.
New York Governor David Patterson said last weekend that Muslim leaders had rejected outright his proposal tto swap the site in for another in Manhattan.
But several people familiar with the debate among New York’s Islamic activists now claim that the leaders are convinced abandoning the site is preferable to unleashing a wave of bitterness towards Muslims.
They also hope the move will be seen as a show of sensitivity to families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks, and to the American public generally.
Read the whole thing here. Obviously, the owners of the property had a right to build whatever they wanted. But, equally obviously, ‘rights’ aren’t the only consideration. Public opinion does make a difference. Kudos to the sponsors of the Center for recognizing the problems with their proposal, even if the MSM didn’t.
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Praise be to God!!! This is wonderful news.
If it's true it's a very interesting and welcome development.
We shall see…
Taqiyya is the game, they play it well.
I'll believe it when I see it…
Praise to God. Nuts to "allah".
If they back down it is going to be because the shady folks behind it are becoming more and more uncomfortable with the light being shined on them and they want to scurry back into the shadows like the cockroaches they are. Clearly only massive funding by the Saudis was going to get this 9/11 victory monument built.
That and the fact that they lied in their applications and don't even own half the land needed of course.
"They also hope the move will be seen as a show of sensitivity to families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks, and to the American public generally."
They weren't too concerned with this the last couple months, were they?
F*ck them…..
Is it true that if a mosque is contaminated by any pork product that it must be abandoned by those who are faithful? Hmmm. Perhaps a few cases of pork rinds might just end up in the wrong place. Ham and cheese sandwich, anyone?
Reserve the cheering until we hear it directly from the developers.
Now if we could just get them to abandon their plans for violent jihad and world domination.
This will certainly disappoint those terrorist organizations like hamas and the obama administration.
I'll reserve my Kudos until I find out if any Government Entity – Local, State, or Federal is giving them land, and/or money to build on a new site.
But, it is good news.
What will Obama do? If only he had waited a week, then we would not have known for sure what our Muslim president thinks.
This would be good news. It would be a relief for the families of the murdered 9/11 victims, and, I might add, the rest of the concerned American people.
Do you think they started to worry about the money trail? Funding by terrorists is a public affairs nightmare…
Ditto!
I was going to post the same thing. ACTIONS – not just words.
Barry is not real smart.
Maybe this is why Reid finally spoke up about it.
"Break in the Chain: Reid Goes Against Obama on Mosque" <a href="http://(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hHYUXhXg36rpzKeUva55Llvea41AD9HKOTM04)” target=”_blank”>(http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hHYUXhXg36rpzKeUva55Llvea41AD9HKOTM04)
"Reid: Build mosque elsewhere
(AP) – 1 hour ago
WASHINGTON — The Senate's top Democrat says a mosque should not be built near the site of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Sen. Harry Reid of Nevada on Monday became the highest profile Democrat to break with President Barack Obama, who on Friday backed the right for the developers to build a mosque near ground zero.
In a statement, Reid said the first amendment protects freedom of religion and he respects that, but the mosque should be built somewhere else.
Critics have said the location of the mosque is insensitive because the terrorists who struck were Islamic extremists.
Reid is in a tight campaign for re-election in Nevada. His opponent, Republican Sharron Angle, earlier in the day called for Reid to say whether he agreed with Obama."
I haven't seen this story break anywhere. Sure hope it's real.
Ditto again!
Wise move by those, scum of the earth, muslims. One more thing, move the hell out of our country. You are not wanted and you are unwelcome. You are catus in a rose garden and a pimple on the ass of freedom. I don't beleive anything the lying swine have to say. They are just like obama.
I trust these people for naught.
They are patient and devious. I cannot believe they will give up this easily.
They will wait until this all blows over and take another approach.
The thing that ticks me off…someone sued the airport in Seattle or Denver, I think, about having Christmas trees. And yet that goes on without the bat of an eye, but for this, WE have to be tolerant.
It wouldn't surprise me if they trade the Ground Zero site for "hands off" when it comes to enforcing Sharia law.
I'll reserve my glee until they announce that they won't be building at Ground Zero or on the grounds of the Pentagon
Through "taqiyya" it is okay for muslims to lie to protect Islam, the money trail leads directly to al queda and hamas and they need to cover their asses now to preserve the stated goals of the koran.
But several people familiar with the debate among New York’s Islamic activists now claim that the leaders are convinced abandoning the site is preferable to unleashing a wave of bitterness towards Muslims. They also hope the move will be seen as a show of sensitivity to families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks, and to the American public generally.
"Sensitivity" my butt. The only "wave of bitterness" the Muslims were worried about unleashing was the one that would come crashing down on their useful idiot enablers -i.e, the Democrats – at the ballot box for the next few election cycles.
Personally, I think its a favor to the their boy in the White House.
Failing that, I wonder how much this "change of heart' cost the The Regime?
Reid must have got the memo……
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid breaks with the president over the proposed Ground Zero mosque, saying the Islamic center should be built elsewhere.
….. so, seeing how Reid would not stick his neck out, it is very possible that the story is true, that the Mosque will be moved.
Interesting development. Bet the president wishes he had kept his opinion to himself!
On its face, it IS wonderful news.
It appears they are only backing down to avoid greater political costs to their leaders in congress and the White House.
It's Obama's mosque.
A "high-profile campaign…?"
I hope they did not spend a lot on the creative side. I can think of 150 million Americans that would have contributed for free.
Now they can locate a mosque in some of the open space in Alaska.
"…abandoning the site is preferable to unleashing a wave of bitterness towards Muslims."
"… hope the move will be seen as a show of sensitivity to families of the victims of the 9/11 attacks…"
Although it appears they may eventually make the right decision, their continued hard-line insistence on "flying in the face of public sentiment" may prove to be a case of too late on both counts.
I bet they blame this on Bush too!
Apparently Joe Scarborough doesn't get it either. Watched him this morning for just a few minutes and he was going off on how bad the republicans were for not supporting this mosque. What an idiot.
Oh, yeah…that "religious tolerance" preached by the left is only a "one sided blade."
Justice will happen not when the mosque site is moved down the street, but when the Muslims are held to the same account everyone else is in terms of their responsibility to not commit fraud.
Committing fraud is one thing, but doing it to build a mosque at ground zero should make the punishment doubled. The 9/11 families should sue them for the distress caused by their fraud (since it is illegal to commit fraud and by doing so they distressed the families.) Also, Imam Rauf should be given a goodwill tour of prison because he made false claims of ownership.
Point for JohnK144!
…………" it seems Muslim leaders will soon back down, agreeing to move to a new site."
Not so fast
Bloomberg is going to use Eminent domain and take Ground Zero and give it to the Imam to build the Mosque there.
Took the words
right out of my mouthright off of my keyboard.Hopefully this is not just a ploy to get the democrats voted back into office! If the GOP doesn't take enough seats, they may go ahead with the mosque anyway…that just means WE the people will have to bring it down!
Let's hope that someone in the media continues to follow the money trail. Regardless of where it is located, the funding should be, dare I say it, transparent.
I have NO confidence in the MSM, though…
"Do you think they started to worry about the money trail? "
Perhaps the ones holding the other end of the money trail rope started sweating under their turbans.
The Dems are on Hannity here in a few seconds to announce their displeasure with the Murder Mosque at Ground Zero. (Trying to save their skins….the wheeeels are falling off folks)
I trust and believe Muslims as much as I trust and believe Obama…NONE!
President Obama's seemingly conflicting responses over the construction of a mosque near Ground Zero demonstrate another example of the tone-deaf nature of the White House, politicians on both sides of the aisle are suggesting as the remark raises the prospect of another sticky election issue for lawmakers this November.
Late Night with the Obamas http://vimeo.com/14138865
http://remembernovember.com/
In spite of "You Lie!" hussein and the rest of the d-crat socialists, let's hope that Americans win this battle against the radical islamic jihadst extremists and prevent them from raising the middle finger against America with a Ground-Zero mosque.
obama was in favor the mosque before he was opposed to it.
Obama and Bloomberg keep perpetuating this red herring argument about freedom of religion and freedom of speech. These are meant to distract from the real issue of sensitivity.
Americans the rest of the world were asked to show "sensitivity" concerning some cartoons depicting images of mohammad. Now we're asking for some sensitivity for the 70% of Americans and the families of the victims who feel hurt by the desire to build so close to Ground Zero.
As Missy8s said above, "Taqiyya is the game, they play it well."
And again
Way to be Constitutionally consistent America.
Yeah, they haven't done it yet, so I'll wait.
Fear of American retaliation and hostility may have had more to do with the decision than all else. There are some very PO'ed people in this country and some have just about had enough of this in your face muslim BS. F''' them.
LOL good thinking, but I don't think it would really work. They would close for a month, and get the place kosher again. Then Bush would be blamed for the insensitivity of the tea party members who may have done because they are racist.
Scarborough is an idiot. McCain Jr.
Look at the update at the top of the page…
Excuse me – it's the Left that doesn't understand the meaning of the 1st Amendment unless it's for nefarious purposes or their own purposes.
Remember when dissent was patriotic? Not so much now, is it?
Besides, if they pull out on their own, how is the Constitution involved? I am not bound, as a private citizen, by the 1st Amendment. Congress and the states are.
When it comes to the Constitution, the Left should leave that to the experts – conservatives and libertarians. The left is too young to play with such important things.
Good point on the "disappointing Obama", it would seem that at the present moment the people in charge of building this mosque are more sensitive to the people of NYC and the US than our own President. Again Obama is made to look like an Azz!
andylevy RT @Park51: There is no truth to the Haaretz story. It is wholly incorrect. We will be publishing a press release regarding this shortly.
Don't shoot the messenger, please. Andy tweeted that at 3:47 CST
If they know what's good for them, they will abandon their thoughts of slapping America in the face! Ask Japan how that worked out for them! You want to talk the talk, you'd better be ready to walk the walk! We're not putting up with this Islam shit any more! Screw MooHamMad AND the horse he rode in on!
Obamaosque Obamaosque Obamaosque…….we have a Muslim president . This thing will be built , we re owned by the enemy until November.
Oh brother. Have they been against it from the ouset, or only since the most recent polling data was released?
Yep it seems Americans were circling the wagon on this one.
Joe Scarborough doesn't get anything. You shouldn't be surprised at all.
I doubt they are backing down regrouping maybe backing down NO
Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult.
In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.
Here's how it works:
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the > case in:
United States — Muslim 0..6%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1.8%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. In Russia, grade-schools were attacked. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam, with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 15%
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, beheadings, stoning, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
Is this the future of the United States?
Vote OUT all liberal Democrats in public office!
Well, I guess I spoke too soon. Just read the update to the story.
SONSABITCHES!!
Why would you do that to yourself in the morning?
My husband insists on having GMA on each morning ("To see what THEY'RE saying") and it's all I can take.
Being an insensitive jack*ss is not prohibited under the Constitutional freedoms that Shari'a would like to "amend" eventually with Elena Kagan's help, but it is not a wise strategy for long-term gains.
There's a reason that the DNC mascot is a jack*ss, you know.
Feeling the HEAT. I say it's about time, but everyone with a functioning brain understands the play here.
SWEET NOVEMBER ! Some pundits are predicting this one is going to turn out worse than the one in 1994.
GLORIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Good-the moslems need to learn America is not a muslim nation, we are about all faiths. Dont ever quit watching Imam rauf , tho. this guy is a moslem supremacist., and him and his brainwashed "wife" Daisy khan are both very tone deaf.
Let's slap Andy around anyway, and celebrate by coming up with names for menu items at the "Suspicious packages" gay bar to be built next door to the mosque.
Improvised Explosive Delights, anyone?
A hudna this early in the game? Game isn't even started yet.
Its Pat Cadell and Doug Schoen-two of the few demonrats who actually dislike Obama. Schoen has been a mosque critic from the beginning(yes, hes a New Yorker). And Cadell has been criticizing the democrats since 2007(he never like obummer). Good for them, maybe the only 2 demorats I know who actually put there country ahead of there ideology.
Hey Andrew – More NAACP sponsored stuff .. I'm sure since we don't have the whole video we can't use it.. I'm sure at the end they all said "But I realized that what I was saying was wrong")
http://patdollard.com/2010/08/obama-repeatedly-ca...
I can only imagine if Dr. laura would have said something like this .. Rev Al would be up in arms !!! Glad no children were around too!
"Reid: Build mosque elsewhere "
How about Mars!
Was anyone else outraged and disgusted by this: "The decision follows a high-profile campaign against the project that included advertisements on New York buses showing images of the burning Twin Towers, an iconic landmark razed when al-Qaida terrorists flew packed passenger planes into them in 2001. The New York Republican party is also said to be planning a hostile television campaign."
Ok, an Iconic Landmark WTF? It was a building housing working Americans and Non-Americans, a building where these people went to earn their livelihood. An Iconic Landmark? Who was the leftist that wrote this? Then they add insult to injury and say Republican Party was planning a hostile TV campaign ANY American NOT outraged by this Mosque is NOT an American aka Obama bin Laden, no that is not a TYPO.
Seems we were thrown a sinker ball. This blog is updated with information that the report is untrue. Doesn't matter, the Dems are running like a pack of rats as far as they can away from this issue and speaking out against the Mosque. Sudden like. Watching them squirm is kind of HILARIOUS.
Just because you want to… does not mean you can! Bad decision, poor taste, no one with operational brain mass believes this mosque is being built for peace nor outreach for the fallen. Judgement goes both ways… I've seen the enemy… for the enemy blew his cover! Another constitutional right is my free speech to say not just… NO… but Hell NO on this mosque at this location or any other localtion neighbors and the masses don't want it to be.
Do you know who your bank is doing business with?
Citigroup pioneered the big bank embrace of Sharia finance back in the 90’s. Citigroup co-launched the Dow Jones Sukuk bond index in 2006. Citigroup continues to help bring Sharia finance across the world with its wholly owned subsidiary, the Citi Islamic Investment Bank. –
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/...
http://www.americanbankingnews.com/2010/07/09/cit...
As the Great MaHa Rushie pointed out today, a christian church that was destroyed during the collapse of the towers can't get the necessary permission to re-build. But, by all means, lets get the mosque up and running right away.
Could it be???? A victory for us???? Ahhhhh…. NICE!!! Now I know that there still may be hope to rollback these Progressive/Socialist dhimmi lapdogs, and the wannabe Dear Leader and his ilk that defames the White House. ;0)
The nerd in me is fascinated by this election cycle. The American who likes individual liberty and responsibility is thrilled. The skeptic in me says, it is nice to break the death grip of the Reid-Pelosi- Oblowhard trinity on this nation. The Republicans missed it so badly after Hillarycare–saying they won but weren't Left enough–I am not putting my faith in the nitwits in D.C. of either party.
Obama sticks to his principles…. for 24 hours
It also suggests that the Liberals will say or do anything it takes to gain or keep power and the wealth that accompanies it.
When talking about the "convictions" of Democrats and RINOS, it's wiser to assume the topic is jail time, not political stances based on morals and ethics.
I like your phrase "close for a month". Even a month off would be a relief. And I'm a white guy in Tucson. Being called a racist is getting to be fairly commonplace. No kidding. If it isn't the federal government or Raul Grijalva or the folks bused in from California or some pundit on the tube, it's the passengers I get in my cab. Might as well earn the title, eh? Just kidding. Let them eat PORK!
"It also suggests that the Liberals will say or do anything it takes to gain or keep power and the wealth that accompanies it. "
That's another thing in common between liberals and Islamofascists.
Lady K,
Don't make it a left versus right issue. It isn't. It's a constitutional thing. Put yourself in their position and ask does government to interfere with my freedom of religion?
Thank you and have a might fine day, do you have Twitter?
No it isn't, but freedom of religion is.
I don't like it, but guess what I was taught as a young man to deal with things I don't like.
No need to resort insults because you can't get your point across bud.
Assemble. Protest. Picket. Do whatever you want lady, but it's their right of freedom to religion.
I don't like it either, we don't have to like everyone and everything in this country. It's part of what make this country great. Put yourself in other shoes for just one moment please.
Thank you and have a mighty fine day, do you have Twitter?
My friend…I agree with you. People have the right to build where they want. They have the right to worship which ever God they may choose, or none at all.
That said, it would be the height of arrogance for this mosque to be built where it is being planned. The people that are planning this mosque are not moderates. They have ties to Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Even the name "Cordoba" to anyone versed in the history of Islam knows that this is NOT for the purpose of dialogue. This is about victory and domination.
The Israeli's use guard pigs at some of their military bases as a psychological deterrent. Maybe someone should start a hog farm at this site?
Reid is just trying to save his political a**.
I sincerely hope that they bring their "A" game. I've been preparing my answer for 50 years. "NO" doesn't begin to describe what they're going to break their teeth on!
The Left wouldn't know the Constitution if it slapped them upside the head and sang Yankee Doodle. So don't tell me about Constitutional consistency.
We all agree that they have the RIGHT to do it. But just because you have right to do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD. That's the difference the Left doesn't get.
"Put yourself in their position and ask does government to interfere with my freedom of religion?"
Are you effing serious? If I was actually a practicing Christian, I would say yes, they do. All the time. For less offensive things (like praying on the Supreme Court steps quietly) than this Mosque.
Islam is not a religion but a movement. For them to abondon jihad and world domination is like asking God for Obama to wake up one morning, become a Conservative and repeal all the crap he inficted on this country.
We're not getting our point across because your head is stuck up your third point of contact. The Left knows NOTHING of the Constitution unless they can use it against the American people, like now. Suddenly the Left is about religious freedom when it involves Muslims. For Christians? Not so much.
GFY.
Hey, dumb@ss, no one disagrees that it's their right. And you want to see picketing? Protesting? You'll see it, @sshat. Boy will you ever.
"You are not wanted and you are unwelcome." I'd say the good people down at the immigration department have no problem letting them in. Nice try though.
The left knows nothing about the Constitution, how come there are many people on the right who have the same position as "the left" in this case?
Read Glenn Beck's views on this.
So we are going to drop a nuclear bomb on New York because they decided to build a mosque there? Logical.
Absolutely.
Okay good Goo,
I don't like it either, but sometimes people are allowed to defend the defenseless. In this case I chose to because of the COTUS.
I like debating people on BG, but Lady K flames a lot.
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