Arrogant Approach to Health Care
by PubliusThe Cincinnati Enquirer nails it today:
America’s robust discussion of health care reform during the past year has been beneficial in many ways, giving the public greater awareness and insight into this complex issue. Unfortunately, the debate has been held pretty much on one-party terms as Democrats, controlling both houses of Congress and the White House, crafted the only plan allowed on the table, and negotiated behind closed doors. Now, despite the deep reservations of a majority of Americans, congressional leaders plan to ram through their proposal this week – bypassing normal congressional procedures.
It is a distressing prospect. We hope that moderate House Democrats – among them Rep. Steve Driehaus of Cincinnati, who says he “will not bend on the principle of federal funding on abortion” but will be stuck in the middle of an elaborate charade to include that funding anyway – will put a stop to this sham.
Real debate has been sidestepped, while Democrats played a childish game of Catch-22 with health care legislation: Congressional leaders wouldn’t allow Republican proposals to be formally considered, then turned around and accused them of not having alternatives. Among themselves, Democrats cut a series of backroom deals that in any other context would be considered criminal payoffs and bribery.
Here’s how blatant it’s become: Last week, President Obama nominated for a federal appeals court the brother of a wavering Democratic House member from Utah.
This disgusting process, which Democrats brazenly wish to bring to conclusion this week, is being done with little regard for the opinions of a clear majority of Americans who, while they may believe health care reform is necessary, think this particular approach will take our nation down the wrong economic path.
Obama, despite all his fine talk of bipartisanship, has proven he has little regard for the ideas – or the constituencies – of those who are not his political allies. The paltry few GOP proposals that he has indicated he is willing to consider – even here, there are no real commitments – are so token as to be laughable.
Meanwhile, an Associated Press poll last week showed that 68 percent of Americans don’t want health care reform passed without Republican support.
Supporters of the Democratic plan can spin it any way they wish, but polls have consistently shown that a majority of Americans oppose their heavy-handed approach to reform. Americans may favor general principles such as universal coverage, but they are distrustful of the way this bill has been crafted and how it will change their relationship with their health care providers.
According to the Quinnipiac Poll, Ohioans oppose the Democrats’ reform plan 56 percent to 33 percent, although they agree 53 percent to 44 percent that Congress should keep trying to reform health care.
The legislation has major problems that have not even begun to be discussed in a serious way, and if Democrats have their way will not be debated at all. The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, for example, calls the Senate bill “racially discriminatory” because of provisions that “in addition to being unconstitutional, will not improve health care outcomes for minority patients.”
And despite denials, the bill has worrisome implications for Medicare. According to an Associated Press news account, much of the reform bill is “financed with Medicare cuts the government’s own experts say could be unsustainable.”
Democrats are devising an elaborate set of sleight-of-hand tricks to get this bill on Obama’s desk this week, including Senate “reconciliation” to avoid a GOP filibuster.
Yes, both parties have employed reconciliation in the past – it has been used by Republicans in 14 of 22 instances since being adopted in 1974 – but its purpose is supposed to be resolving budget issues, not making far-reaching policy decisions that will alter one-sixth of the U.S. economy.
Its blatant abuse is yet further damning evidence of congressional leaders’ arrogant, condescending attitude toward the people they ostensibly were elected to serve.
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Arrogant approach?
The hubris is appalling.
This came from a newspaper? It was printed? Holy crap, I didn't know there were any reporters left in the newspaper field. I thought they were all DNC staffers.
Arrogant doesn't begin to cover the blatant unconstitutionality of the "Slaughter Solution"!
If they do this this congress WILL literally have blood on their hands and the American people will not only remove the democratic party from power they will do it PERMANENTLY!
This process is a violation of the American people's trust and it amounts to high crimes and misdemeanors as proved for under article 2. section 4. of the constitution!
Mr. President, Congress: Actions have consequences. You have been warned.
I love the slogan.. HONEST Leadership and OPEN governement….. jsut like the BACk door deals they have been doing for OBAMA care???
Just like this….. from the AP report..
WASHINGTON (AP) – One year into its promise of greater government transparency, the Obama administration is more often citing exceptions to the nation's open records law to withhold federal records even as the number of requests for information decline, according to a review by The Associated Press of agency audits about the Freedom of Information Act.
Wow, change we can believe in..
There needs to be a new word created for the most blatant, hardcore, bald-faced, arrogance ever seen in a so-called leader.
Oh! "He pulled an Obamao!"
I will be right behind you.
"We've just been Obama'd!"
Ohh.
Ouch.
Ugh……
Arrogant? No stupid comes to mind… stupid to be so close to opening Pandora's Box with the American people. These 'people' and I use the word people lightly with those in DC are completely disconnected from reality. They are truly like wild animals doing what comes natural to them to protect their own and act in their own interests. The question is how do you domesticate them? Will telling them "no no" work? How do you train a lion, do you talk to them, hold up signs with words telling them what to do? Physical training/education is how you get them to jump through fire etc. not protests, telling them 'no' holding signs up with instructions…. Are you following where I am going with this?
Now you have few choices in dealing with a wild animal: let them continue to run loose doing what they please, train/domesticate them, cage them up or you kill them…….. but consider the ramifications of each which one is the best choice in the bigger picture? I've posted it repeatedly and I will continue to ask, what are you prepared to do? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F452KybPEnQ ? This is the question you must seriously ask yourself and your family!
I am truly puzzled Amerika, you complain daily yet sit back and take every bit of garbage from this corrupt gov't with their fringe media propaganda machine and special interest group waiting in the shadows to benefit. Amerika, you are routinely doing the same things over and over again expecting a different outcome… that's.. your insane! I saw a recent youtube post about Rush telling people to destroy the Capitol switchboard! Why? Will crashing it this year be any different than previous years, do you understand these 'animals' in DC DO NOT CARE what you think or if you crash their phone, email, fax systems!!
Out of the box tactics are the only solution if you want to shut this machine down, otherwise keep doing what your doing they aren't listening. No? Really then why is this all still going on? You have been telling them NO for well over a few years with the last year one of the most intense in history, yet the 'animals' are continuing as business as usual while you continue to whine! Tough love from 'ole BMartin1776 sorry but its time for you, Amerika, to get a good smack in the face and WAKE THE HELL UP. Don't play their game… STOP and play your game through http://www.savingtherepublic.com
You sir, are a coward.
When a government is in need of another "fix" <tax revenue> to keep the people under control it will resort to anything.
This is why meth and crack users don't care what crimes they commit.
At least they have to vote on the rule, that way we have every single treasonous vote on record.
you really are an ass
do the math, if, in fact, your obviously piss-poor level of education enables you to do so
anon – March 16th, 2010 at 6:43 pm
“All lies. Everyone of them. Corporate dollars have controlled the message. Again all lies.
Death panels? Government takeover? Power grab? And paying for abortions? Adds trillions to the deficit? Cut Medicare benefits?
And you ignorant teabagging redneck crackers bought it. You’re voting against your own best interest.”
First off, the corporations are on your side on this one.
Second, this is not in our interest and yes, many of this things your saying are silly are going to happen. Your just too misinformed to realise it.
I ask for forgiveness every time I do it…sorry!
Come on anan. Debate policy and ideas and stop the unnecessary and racist name calling.
There is that but those are the votes they are trying to extort from conservative blue dog dems…
You have to wonder how many people in the White House are busily trying to dig up dirt on those members or come up with big enough threats to silence them.
You can warn a meth or crack addict all you want – their minds are only focused on one thing.
"Deem and Pass".
Remember that term.
They are going to use it, to circumvent taking a vote, and having their names recorded.
The fault lies partially with Republicans. Republicans must swear off more than earmarks.
To win this important battle, we need to end the abusable reconciliation rules, we need to remove the abuse-able self-enacting rules, and we need to end the abuse-based processes that the Democrats are trying to use.
To say "we used them differently" is true, but besides the point. Do we need those rules? If not, we might be able to build a coalition in both houses to remove these rules before they are abused to ruin the country.
If the moderate democrats refuse to help "shut the door" on the rules, the republicans can then be morally justified in abusing the rules when they are in power after November, to revert the entitlements and their taxes away. We could simply make social security, medicare, and medicaid, optional programs and taxes… And let them fail or be rescued as private entities.
There's no reason to fear doing right. We are needed to counter evil.
A lot of them are starting to realize that he's actually NOT anywhere near anything he "promised" while he was campaigning. Most journalist (and I use THAT term VERY loosely) don't have the golden parachutes that elected officials do, so when their MSM papers and networks go under – that's it. They have NOWHERE else to go with their cover-ups.
They are starting to realize – they can ONLY survive by actually DOING THEIR JOB the correct way.
If y'all would ignore "anus", he wouldn't have anyone to respond to.
Eventually, he'd grow bored, and leave.
Just like my ex wives. Always needing to get the last word in…………
Soon it’ll be our turn…fire’em all!
As the day wears on – he gets even more vile.
God you are Stupid anon.
Note to Democrats: DON'T YOU DARE!
Nothing of value to add, eh anon?
Death panels? Fine, you win the argument over semantics. There is nothing in the bill that says "Death panels"… but there is the creation of a bureaucracy that will make health decisions previously made in the private sector. You're wrong.
Government takeover? This isn't seriously debated either. If the government wasn't gaining control, it wouldn't be worth their time. You must still be under the illusion there are honorable people crafting this 2700 page mess.
Power grab? A repetition of your previous two words.
Paying for abortions? Yep, that's in there too. If they didn't want that they'd have agreed to Stupak's demands, plain and simple. Remove head from arse, check world around you.
Adds trillions to the deficit? Yep, it's called math. Politicians mostly have failed this course, and it sounds like you did as well. As for the CBO scoring, garbage in-garbage out. It's a technical computer programming phrase. Look it up.
Cut medicare benefits? That's where the funding is coming from for this, so again, logic dictates that money taken from Medicare, and applied elsewhere will reduce the amount of money Medicare is working with…. while adding more people to the already-strained rolls.
How did you learn to type being so clueless to your surroundings, anon?
ps My own best interest is decided by me.
that photo makes me want to barf. every. single. time.
If you want to claim something as a lie, it is most important that you supply PROOF that shows otherwise. If you do not have that PROOF, we will continue to believe what has been written (from lawyers) about rationing of care…we will continue to believe the CBO that this bill INCREASES the deficit over 800 BILLION dollars (over 1 trillion when you coun the doctor fix).
Don't trouble "it" with such crazy notions as "truth", "verifiable data", or "logic"
Go with your FEEEEELINGSSSSssss man…
There is a new word for a portable toilet. It's now called a Holebama. I'm having the stickers printed up as we speak.
And to think, I thought it was the GOP that was having a Civil War.
Now there is a marketing thought!
Are you really doing that? It just gave me an excellent idea………….
This President is nothing more than a third world despot. God help us and for the sake of our republic please punch in the nose every idiot you know who voted for ths disgusting excuse for an american
BARRACKKKKK!
Know what that is?
The sound of Americans collectively puking their guts out………..
The Constitution gives us sanction to deal with these treasonous vermin.
You are the one that is wrong on all this.
And for a Democrat why would you bring God into it? Liberal Democrats don't believe in God. Haven't you wondered why Obama only appoints Communists?
You are an apparent low life, scum, of the earth, something.
But aren't they as clean as wind driven snow….
The most moral bunch in their since JC was in boot camp….
"Death panels? but there is the creation of a bureaucracy that will make health decisions previously made in the private sector, thus giving a bureaucrat life/death decision making power. ."
No. There is not. You lie.
"Government takeover? This isn't seriously debated either. If the government wasn't gaining control, it wouldn't be worth their time."
No. The government isn't taking control. You lie.
"Power grab? A repetition of your previous two words.
Your words. You lie again.
Paying for abortions? Yep, that's in there too.
No. It's not. You lie again.
"Adds trillions to the deficit? Yep, it's called math.
No. It reduces the deficit. You lie again.
"Cut medicare benefits? That's where the funding is coming from for this, so again, logic dictates that money taken from Medicare, and applied elsewhere will reduce the amount of money Medicare is working with…. while adding more people to the already-strained rolls.
No. It adds no one to Medicare. And no Medicare benefits are cut.
Good job, 6 for 6. Every point you claim is a lie.
God you people are stupid.
So be it. Let the chips fall where they may.
I was kind of laughing at the picture. Harry standing there with his hands over his heart looking like a sincere grandfatherly type. Yeah right, he left his wife in the hospital after a car accident to return to the White House to push a HC bill 81% of the country does not want. OK, what wife here would tolerate that? He would not survive in my house. Have you seen the video where he claims paying taxes in the US are voluntary. I posted it on my 'blog' page. It's really not a blog page, I don't blog but some how I ended up with it after registering on this site. I think if you click my avatar it takes you to Harry's video and proves he's an idiot.
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FYI, Anus. I'm on your death panel, but it appears that you'll probably do yourself in from sheer stupidity. Yeah, that yellow snow is lemon flavored. Try some.
Hahahhahahaha!!!
You lie??? Is that ALL you have?? So since all those things are IN the bills, does that mean BoBo will Veto them, since he says he doesn't want any of that stuff?? But then you can't post links to "prove" they aren't in these bills, because they ARE.
You might want to step into the shower and close the curtain before you head explodes and someone else has to clean up the mess.
So in addition to betraying the fact that you haven't read any of the language of this proposal, we now know we can add math, logic, and debate to the litany of concepts that have escaped you.
Exactly three and in this order; the first amendment, the secret ballot and if need be by way of the second amendment as Jefferson and Adams intended as embodied within the constitution.
Yup. Just a short run for now. Looking at changing the artwork. What've ya got in mind?
Are you in marketing?
The ball's in their court. We'll see soon enough.
go back to daily kos where the rest of the people who are as stupid as you are currently hang out.
come back here and post again after you have paid for 6 years of "benefits" before you actually see any of them and tell us if that makes tingles go down your legs. or are you one of the 49% of the blood sucking freeloaders in this country who will receive your health rationing at the expense of some other hard working person?
Yeah, insurance and pharmaceutical industries will reap the benefits, just as intended. Have you seen big pharma promoting the bill? Probably not because it's not likely to be reported on Faux News.
Watch this clip, and realize that this is what we want to avoid from happening within our government. This is what tyranny will look like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAVTTGkHEeU&fe...
Don't patronize intelligent people by claiming that Republicans and Fox Newsers….er….Tea partiers were pushing a "robust discussion of health care." Your single goal is defeating the Democrats and putting your own establishment party back in power. And you did this by coming up with an endless array of thought-stopping cliches like "death panels" and "socialist", and by perpetrating lies like "increase the deficit" when CBO says it would reduce the deficit.
I'm against the reform because of what it really is – a giveaway to industry (campaign contributors) – but your pathetic characterizations are worn out.
Just like barely anyone mentions that the big insurance companies and big pharma were working their butts off to raise money for Coakley right before the Mass election (huge fundraiser dinner the week before). That's been waaaaay too quiet. Too many people are letting Obama keep on bashing them and not pointing out that they're quietly sitting back hoping it passes. Unfortunately Fox has either forgotten about this or is complicit.
Remember, anon must be the smartest guy on this whole forum – according to him everybody is stupid.
No, far from it. I've done a lot of things in my sixtytwo years. To sum it all up, I was the kid, your Mom wouldn't let you play with. Got the attention span of a three year old. Fearless to a fault. Been shot, stabbed and blown up. I've been told that I should write a book.
The Capitol phones are jammed. Let's hammer 'em some more!
Call the Capitol Switchboard: 1-877-762-8762
Code Red: http://www.nrcc.org/CodeRed/targets/
Anon is a plant. Just ignore him.
All media outlets choose what they report on, even infotainment charades like Fox. Fox chooses what will further the Republican agenda and will oppose the Democratic agenda. Period. If it became know to the Republican "base" (people who call themselves conservative and frequent sites like this to digest talking points) that the the bill is a giveaway to industry and there's nothing "socialist" about it, then it doesn't further the establishment Republicans. The logic is simple, really.
While I totally agree with the sentiments you expressed, the other huge elephant in the room is the pending Amnesty Bill. Assuming that the current Congress is willing to use these same type of underhanded tactics and back room deals to get it passed, then what will we be left with??
It will be a very difficult task to turn anything around once they add 8 to 10 million voters………….bought and paid for through a corrupt and despicable process they call representation. They are not voting the will of We the People and unless we take the gloves off they will be in perpetual control of things. I don't know that the 2010 elections will have any true influence if the ram the Amnesty Bill in ahead of those elections. And believe you me that is what they will do. Or hell who knows, maybe they will just attach it to the Healthcare Bill………just as they are with the Student Loan industry takeover.
This Congress has no scruples nor a moral or just fiber in their collective beings………..we need to sound the alert and stand at the ready…………they are well on their way of confiscating our liberties and our country.
Everyone needs to shout loud and long at our representatives and don't take the BS that there wasn't anything they could do……….."Just didn't have the numbers". Well guess what they had the numbers for many years and squandered away the opportunities to have a positive influence on the country. If I hear a Republican say one more time…."My friends on the other side of the aisle", I think I will vomit. They need to understand that they are not their nor our friends…………..they are our ENEMIES and they are stacked out in our country.
Anun, can you prove anything mentioned about the bill as a lie other than by calling it a lie.
Just a plain and simple question for you, can you prove anything in there is a lie?
And when the zombies(the same ones who came out of the woodwork who voted in '08 brainwashed with the BS excuse "where were you the last 8yrs" as they have no clue of what is really going on) return to vote them all back in come Nov then what…
As much as I and others call to replace ALL politicians fact is the zombies are going to put them back in, then what ?This country cannot take 3 more years of this guy, congress and special interest groups in the shadows
This could have been a no brainer and we could have saved money in the process.
I just received my Census form. One of the questions could have been…(a) Are you an American citizen? If yes go to (B) Registered to Vote? if yes go to (C) Do you believe that the government has any right to confiscate 1/3 of your nations wealth under the guise of Health Care Reform?
We could have had an independent panel overseeing the tally and in essence had a vote without a vote too.
I ask all of you that are thinking of responding to posts like this to not do it. This anon and others like them are agents of Media Matters, Move On, Soros, DNC etc etc they are paid to come onto sites like this and spew their progressive radical beliefs. Your empowering them, stop, ignore them.
I think we will all end up in the new country called Texas (except anon).
we're in!
Remember what the King did against the will of the people. Cost thousands of lives and brought forth a new nation. All over a 2 cent tax on tea, but more than that, it was the principle of the issue at hand. We Americans will be meek in our response and just let Washington have its way. We have all grown into spineless slaves.
Stop the Slaughter:
http://thecrosssection.com/2010/03/16/stop-the-sl...
LOL!!! Maybe you should…although Obama will figure out a way to get most of your money!!
Yeah, Mr. "I care"…..whatever! He is the devil incarnate!!!!
Sorry, but we have to, especially when they spout lies and half-truths so they don't influence all the new comers that we have reading. As with most blogs and sites like this, the actual number is posters is only 10-20% of the people that come to read and never post.
ALL lines are busy!!!
You just described me.
Perhaps we were evil twins, seperated at birth.
I will go to jail first!!!!
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Amnesty has been tucked into this bill by NOT requiring proof of citizenship to be "given" coverage, they are also legitimizing the "consular matricular" as a form of identification for service. In the "education bill" that will be tucked in under the "slaughterhouse rules" it refers to all US residence as "citizens to be eligible" for higher education "grants"!
So many things have been shoved into this bill that it virtually negates the entire constitution and bestows absolute power over the people to the president!
Don't patronize intelligent people by claiming that Republicans and Fox Newsers….er….Tea partiers were pushing a "robust discussion of health care." Your single goal is defeating the Democrats and putting your own establishment party back in power. And you did this by coming up with an endless array of thought-stopping cliches like "death panels" and "socialist", and by perpetrating lies like "increase the deficit" when CBO says it would reduce the deficit.
I'm against the reform proposal because I realize it for what it is – a giveaway to industry (campaign contributors) – but your pathetic characterizations are worn out.
I rarely see this moron put together a sentence without using the word teabagger….I think he's so obsessed with it that he gets carried away…Me thinks he should try that on the liberal blogs, he might get an offer, and then anon will be so happy he'll disappear for awhile and not bother us……..He'll be engaged in his favorite sport……..
“Americans may favor general principles such as universal coverage, but …”
This American does not favor universal coverage, nor should any REAL American favor any such Socia1ist ideal.
Were you ever discribed as a borderline psychopath? I was. What the hell do the VA doctors know? Me? Friend of all the forest animals, really?
No.
You got me beat there, on the "Can you top this" contest.
My papers say I am fine, albeit a tad anti-social, and I don't play well with others.
My idea earlier, that you gave me?
Remember after 9/11, half the mens rooms in the country had urinal screens with Osama bin Ladins likeness on?
A urinal screen, with Barrys smiling face……..
All I'm seeing is more idiotic left-wing talking points about how businesses are evil. Grow up and start thinking for yourself. Or perhaps you have already reached the conclusion that these issues are to complicated for you to talk about intelligently, so you are already operating at the top of your curve spewing the DNC Party line? Please stop wasting our time.
The core of all progressive philosophy is that "the end justifies the means". The Devil himself couldn't have said it better. After all, he inspired that philosophy!
Not trying to to top you. If I really was crazy, I wouldn't be able to carry, but I could run for public office. Urinal screen? Great idea. Toilet paper would be an appropriate place to imprint his visage.
I was watching "If These Walls Could Talk" on some home improvement cable network the other day. A couple who had bought a historic home found that a doctor from the turn of the century ran his practice out of the home when they discovered medical equipment in the home. In with the medical equipment was a sign that said (paraphrased): "In an effort to prevent the socialization of medicine, these offices will be closed on election day."
They have been trying to ruin this country for over 100 years, we can't let them do this.
Yeah, keep repeating your thought-stopping cliches and swallowing the establishment talking points. No one said "businesses are evil"; your straw man doesn't work. It's the corrupt relationship between giant corporations and government that is the problem. Big money and their lobbyists have far more influence than you and me. Choose to ignore this truism and remain in your box if you will. You are the one who seems to be caught up in the soap opera perpetrated by the Praetorian Guard (MSM) and talking heads.
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The phones are off the hook. Cavuto has been trying all day to get through and some tea partiers went into the offices and said this.
To be honest, when think back,I often wonder If I really did these things, or was it in a book I read or in a movie I once saw. It's all kind of a blur. My wish is, that if I ever lose my mind, I would like to forget the bad stuff first.
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Surely there must be a connection!
Here's my picture response to the one used in this article:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/weweed_up/4439322782...
The Ozombies have been neutered and just like in ’80 and ’94 real America will strike back. The trick is to remain focused through several election cycles to utterly sweep the field of ‘60s radicals and their stupid anti-American horse twaddle…we’ll see!
Do you truly understand nothing of survival instincts? Do you not know that businesses possess such instincts? Do you not know that they are hedging their bets, or that they also contribute to both parties? No. You are nothing more than a liberal hater who finds comfort in hating that which they do not understand. As I alluded to earlier – you are out of your depth. \”Go from us in peace, and may history forget you were our kinsmen.\”
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I don't talk to them anymore!
Man, you really love the straw man fallacies, don't you?
Do you truly believe that corporate lobbyists do not have an outsized influence on government? Do you not know that so many bills coming out of Congress are virtually written by industry and rob the people of money and liberty?
You fling your thought-stopping label on me, but I am probably more truly conservative than you. I advocate smaller government, less taxes and less spending in ALL areas of government ,not just parts of it like you pseudoconservatives do. Have fun promoting the establishment. You ain't gonna find sanity on the road you're taking.
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