Sunday Open Thread: Health Care Jihad Edition
by PubliusAs it becomes more difficult to round up Congressman willing to end their political careers by voting for ObamaCare, House Democrat Leadership is actually considering a “rule” that will allow the health care bill to pass without being voted on. Putting a positive spin on such a desperate and unconstitutional act defies the laws of physics. Michael Ramirez at Investors Business Daily perfectly captures the “through the looking glass” world we now inhabit:
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In the face of the bayonet a nation was born, but majority of the colonist did not support the war of treason with their blood. It was not the elites of our country that bore the pain of birth of this nation, but the thousands of unknown and forgotten who gave their life and body to a belief. The words and thoughts of all those unknown and forgotten are lost on the field of death, so we must feel their hopes in our hearts and understand they did not die so their posterity can be controlled by the whims of a politician or the fear impulse of the many. While the many sip their progressive wine and bath in their progressive wealth they have forgotten the tax paid in blood for individual sovereignty that made it all possible. It is sad our nation is guided by those who seek to benefit from the power of government, instead of those who sacrificed their all to be free. Ask your favorite politician what they have done to honor the sacrifice to our freedom.
If they consider a.. “rule” that will allow the health care bill to pass without being voted on….is that not treason?? Sounds like something that would only be done by a dictatorship!!! They can't do whatever they want ( in the words of Nancy Pelosi.."We won we can do whatever we want") just because they are in Washington !! Do they NOT understand that they can be charged with Treason, and be impeached, for such mob like tactics???
Kind of off topic but I came up with a way for the government to save buckets of money.
Kill every program this 'Free Money' fool Matthew Lesko promotes.
http://www.matthew-lesko.com/
Free Money my ass.
Just how arrogant, elitist, and out of touch can our "representatives" possibly be?
It looks like they are willing to strap on bombs and martyr themselves for the 'cause'.
November will be explosive indeed…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzD-zGIJkbY&NR...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4VlruVG81w
They are trying to force there evil and misguided ways on us. The progressive people in power know we don't agree with them and don't care. They think they know better then us. This is sociaIism pure and simple!!!
They will use any matter of corruption to get it done. I think this battle with the progressives in power is just starting. Were going to see some crazy things before November as some of them get desperate.
We have yet to see the full measure of the betrayal. This is only the beginning.
What these traiterous Congresspeople fail to realize is that the implementation of this "rule" nullifies their NEED and EXISTENCE as representatives of the electorate. They become irrelevent to the process and clear the way for the "CZARS" to start BYPASSING Congress and take direct orders from Obama. Obama then issues "orders" to the political "officers" (czars). One down (Congress) and one to go (SCOTUS). Get ready folks. The end is upon us if this administration gets away with this.
Supreme Court ? Are you getting ready ??
Virginia is already beginning legal proceedings to exempt them from any provisions in this health reform fiasco. 34 other states are right behind. As individuals, we can sue, on religious grounds, to exempt ourselves. The Amish are already exempt. So we will choke our courts for years but eventually the only ones paying will be those fools who think that God should be taken out of everything in this country. The Lord will protect us. So be it.
At what point do "We the People" get a say in this clusterpuck? The cartoon figure was excellent BTW! These arrogant SOBs are tied……….I don't know whether they discust me more or piss me off more.
They are so Un American in their actions that I wonder what country we're in any more.
AMEN Brother! I am wondering when the torches and pitchforks are gonna come out.
Anyone seen the movie "The Patriot", with Mel Gibson?
I think every American needs to, I believe this is what it may come down to in the end as it was in the beginning.
To quote a famous potentate…
And that people is why we have elections…
http://www.obamaclock.org/
One could only hope…
Honestly, the 2nd Amendment was put in so that people could take up arms against tyrannical leaders, it will not take many more bills to pass like this before people start exercising their rights!
If you can read a volley like the one written here and not flinch or gasp, but see what it takes to hold up the mirror of Truth to these Congressional vampires, then you may be ready for patriotic pitchforks.
Do not go read it if you are afraid of the ironic metaphor as a debating device. If you are a pedant or literalist, just go back to what you're doing. Jonathan Swift never once ate babies, and nobody is wishing evil to befall the innocent.
If they pass it we the people need to tie it up in court forever….There is a third branch of government and the President does not like it
Where did the first Amendment go? I just got my post deleted……hmmmm It wasn't nearly as bad as some I have read above.
To pass this massive (and unwanted) health care bill without a vote by our representatives is called TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. If we sit back and allow this to happen, we are a disgrace to our forefathers who fought so hard against this very thing. This is not a case of "oh well, we'll get 'em back in November"… this is an act of terrorism (defined in the dictionary as: the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes) by Obama, Pelosi, and all other representatives who support passing this bill without a vote. It is time to impeach Obama. It is time for Americans to stand up and take back our country. It is time to bring back Democracy as our forefathers meant it to be. This should be OUR government, not a government just for the games of politicians. Take a stand. March on Washington. If you can't do that, stand on the nearest busy corner and hold up a sign telling the world you are mad!
I’ll probably get flamed for saying this, but I find that cartoon more than a little tasteless.
Official United States Government Definition of Terrorism
"[An] act of terrorism, means any activity that (A) involves a violent act or an act dangerous to human life that is a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State; and (B) APPEARS TO BE INTENDED (i) TO INTIMIDATE OR COERCE A CIVILIAN POPULATION; (ii) TO INFLUENCE THE POLICY OF THE GOVERNMENT BY INTIMIDATION OR COERCION; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping."
(United States Code Congressional and Administrative News, 98th Congress, Second Session, 1984, Oct. 19, volume 2; par. 3077, 98 STAT. 2707 [West Publishing Co., 1984])
Seems to me elections are starting to mean very little, when there
are MORE voting for freebies then there are working people….We
were warned about that very thing…..
“Once the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the Republic.” – Benjamin Franklin
"Those who the gods would destroy, they first make mad."
They have to be nuts if that's their plan. Time for them to stop drinking the bong water. Just say "NO"
I'm convinced we have a bunch of lunatics in DC…Why would anyone be
ready to fall on their sword for this worthless sack of s–t?? I really can't
figure that out…Once they vote for his scheme, most, if not all will lose
their cushy jobs…I sure in heck wouldn't throw away my career for any
of these clowns…….
That is very true…
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”
Alexis de Tocqueville
Progressives know what's coming in November, thus the panic to pass this crap at ANY cost.
Remember what Valerie Jarret said pre-inauguration: " We will be ready to RULE from day one". They really do think dictatorially, the Opposition be damned.
Forget divisions (3rd party, Repub. indep. tea party etc etc.). We must unite against this common enemy, an imminent threat.
We have had a Marxist jihad going on here for almost a century. It is just starting to surface. This is a suicide mission to them, it has been the communist mantra forever that if they can't make the world communist, they will destroy it.
Happened to me all day yesterday!
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Great statements to remember WHY America is GREAT!!!
The reason these Obama pawns aren’t afraid of being voted out for voting Obama’s wishes is because they will be given other cushy jobs, as well as favors, using the taxpayers’ money. I think it’s called BRIBERY and we need to follow where each and every one of them end up when this all shakes out.
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There is an 'Old Farmers' quote…"Don't buy a pig in a Poke." , meaning if you can't see what you are getting don't pay for it.
You are relying on what someone (with vested self interest) is saying will be in the package and not what you know to be true.
Yet that is exactly what Congress (and by extension You and Me) are being asked to do.
Nancy Pelosi "We have to pass the Bill to find out What's In It!!"
I wonder–Does Nancy regularly bid on the "Mystery Packages" on E-Bay?
Almost 3000 Pages of Rules and Guidelines for (?) Health Care Bill, with convoluted references to yet other Bills, equaling how many additional pages? How many in Congress have read this bill? How many Understand it? Who in Hell wrote it?
http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/shock-insid...
Why the all fired hurry to get it enacted??
It is not as if the passage of this bill will be an immediate lifeline to those without current coverage.
No, not at all…You me and any one who works will get to pay for this for four years (4) before we even get a peek at exactly what we would be getting. Would you buy a Car this way?
Obama, Pelosi, Reed and countless other bureaucrats are attempting shovel this unknown and unknowable, supposedly wonderful set of guides and restrictions on us even as we protest and say NO! Are they doing this because they will be part of it and are anxious to partake of the benefits?? No, no and no- they will not be burdened personally by this Bill now or in the future. They exempt themselves and their favorite sons from ever having to abide by that which they seek to enslave us to.
To every Representative on the Hill I say…..Don't just say No to this Bill…Say 'Hell No!'
If ever during your career you were motivated by any shred of compassion or concern for you fellow Citizens, if you ever for a moment sought to do good for your Country and your Fellowman. Vote No!
Further more, it is time to refuse to vote for any Bill that comes before you if the author of the Bill is unable to clearly articulate the good it will do and the harm it will avoid for your fellow Citizens.
Remember this is a BILL and it will have to be paid for!
Right Side, I believe the SCOTUS is "getting ready" & Chief Justice Roberts recent remarks were
evidence. The Supreme Court have taken on the Executive Branch before, & I believe these young
Justices are 'up to the task'. In fact I'm looking forward to the SMACKDOWN.
where the f___ do they think they are- Honduras? oh, wait- Honduras didn't put up with this kind of bullsh!t…
I'm Amish now !
The cartoon, and the caption says it all.
There is no reasoning, or negotiating with liberal, fascist, militant, zealots.
Very well done. Thank you very much. I often wonder if either of my granfathers (both patriots to the core) and their brethren would have made the sacrifices in Europe and the Pacific they did had they been able to look into the future and see who they were fighting for and what they would do to the country they loved.
I mean seriously. Who would storm a beach for this $h!t? And that is what it is. $h!t. So their grandchildren could live under a soft tyranny? These people are an insult to those who served and gave their lives in all wars this country has fought for our freedom.
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OBAMA AKBAR ??………..WOW……….Deep bow, from the waist (o style) to Michael Ramirez. Pretty
gutsy move by IBD, & I love it. MR may have single-handedly resurrected this long ignored art.
If a picture is worth 1K words, this cartoon is worth 10K!
Yes, I love the cartoon.
And yes, it depicts beautifully the suicidal Dems on the Healthcare fiasco.
If only Mr. Ramirez could turn the focus around to look at the consequences to all Americans of Congressional abuse of the Constitution (precedent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933...
As is Oklahoma….
Just kill the programs, right?
You ain't seen nothin' yet.
" It was not the elites of our country that bore the pain of birth of this nation,"
I think you neglect the wealthy, 'elite' patriots who completely bankrupted themselves supporting the cause, from Charles Carroll to Thomas Nelson to Robert Morris to John Hancock. And I suspect that most people would consider chaps like Washington and Jefferson to belong to the 'elite.'
“I won’t have to worry about putting gas in my car. I won’t have to worry about paying my mortgage.”
Obama supporter in Florida.
“A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul.” (George Bernard Shaw, Everybody’s Political What’s What, 1944)
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Nah, not treason. Treason is defined as levying war against the United States, or giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Jane Fonda is a traitor, but not these sleazeballs.
Nor does 'impeachment' apply, since that only covers members of the executive and judicial branches. Each house of congress, however, may vote to expel one of its own members for misconduct.
It sounds like Obama's every waking moment is an act of terrorism.
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WHY?
Because, if they get this "legally" (VERY loosely using the term) through… NOVEMBER WILL NOT MATTER.
We will never again have "elections" as we've known them for over 200 years.
And when we rise and stand… "executive order" and marshal law will be the cap on what they've planned and are itching in their bones to do now… lock down BY FORCE us "asinine 'Teabaggers'", who "cling to our guns and religion".
Then… what shall WE (as Americans ~ as A NATION betrayed)… DO?
I've made my decision.
CM Sackett
We were so afraid to be called racists that we were afraid to speak up…Now I'm
afraid it might be too late to do anything about all the giveaways …Can you imagine
if they start dismantling all these freebies???There would be riots like we've never seen
before, and unfortunately there are too many middle class entitlements too….They sucked
a lot of the middle class into this dependency mentality too…
trea·son
/ˈtrizən/ Show Spelled[tree-zuhn] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2.
a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3.
the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
I would say that the betrayal of trust or confidence, brought about by this administration to the American people applies here!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIzCUhafhSQ&fe...
substitute Gene Simmons head for anybody that votes for this mess
The Dimocrates are the Jihadist, Healthcare is the bomb, who's the target? HMMMMMM
I guess you can't just kill programs like this. I wish I could.
It's just that I'm always a little pissed when I see the government throwing around money like this.
There are two kinds of people: lifters and leaners. Leaners love Obamacare. Lifters see it as a yoke of ownership by the state and the odious likes of people like Obama , Pelosi, and Reid and their minions of bureaucrats.
Very good point, Bohemond. Furthermore, they weren't "investing" their capital, they were spending it in the cause of freedom. I wondered about that when I saw thebarbarian's post above.
This slo-mo train wreck the Dems are forcing on us is really a coup d' etat intended to undermine the fundamentals of our Constitution and Bill of Rights, and the structure of governance they enabled over the last 223 years since 1787.
Once they crack health care, the sky's the limit for what they can do to trash the economic engine (in need of a major tune-up right now) that has given us unparalleled prosperity when it is run according to the owner's manual, The Constitution and its main glossary, The Bill of Rights.
agree cardon,,,,,,,,,dismantling freebies abruptly, like we all would prefer would have
unimaginable repercussions. However annual 10% reductions with NO cost of living
adjustment, could accomplish the goal.
The Constitution clearly says that the same bill and language must be voted on, the votes tallied and recorded prior to presentation to the President for signature. If a vote is presented to the President without a formal full vote, the presenter is performing a knowing act in violation of the Constitution for political gain. If the President signs that bill, knowing there was not a formal full tallied vote, that is also a knowing act in violation of the Constitution for political gain. It is collusion of treason against the Constitution, and at least in my view impeachable now or after November.
So go ahead, Barrack … pick up that pen and smile for the cameras. Or perhaps maybe you should think about guiding the legislature to come up with a better bill that has no question of being passed by a super majority?
Prof………excellent analogy ……….Constitution = Owners Manual
The Coffee Party started yesterday … geez could they do a little thinking before they launch their initials ???
CPUSA !!! Coffee Party USA …. LOL – pass this around….
http://www.cpusa.org/ (coincidence??)
Go to thier (Coffee Party) facebook site and read the comments too (I joined but not sure how long until im banned)… you would think sorros and al gore were the founding fathers of thier group !!!!
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Here's some of the "Whois" info on that domain:
Registrant Name: Matt Parker
Registrant Organization: Communist Party USA
Registrant Street1: 235 W 23RD ST
Registrant City: NEW YORK
Registrant State/Province: NY
Registrant Postal Code: 10011-2302
Registrant Phone: +1.6464375301
Registrant FAX: +1.2122291713
Registrant Email: mattp@cpusa.org
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how dumb can you get – think of te initials before you launch a party (Coffee Party USA) LOL
http://www.cpusa.org
doh !!!
I believe your rite! I'm afraid Nov. will be to late; This isn't a push for Healthcare reform, it's a hostile takeover of our country! These fools are in overdrive… Passing this is essential so they can take the next step.
Thanks. What I like most about The Constitution is that it wasn't written by engineers for engineers, nor by lawyers for lawyers. It was written by real leaders for their people, an example Congress seems to have forgotten.
again – I'm not syaing they are the CPUSA.org – but come on – you don't think that pople may head to that site by mistake? I think it is funny as hell …
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Bush offered step one – Reform Social Security accounting.
Ron Paul offers step two – Audit the Fed (which would effectively end the Fed)
This Lesko fella has figured out how to 'work the system' from outside the government the same way political hacks do from inside it.
also Matt is liked in Russia
http://www.soviet-empire.com/ussr/viewtopic.php?t...
Go Coffee party !!!! CPUSA.org !!!
The best tool Roberts and a majority court can employ today is three little words :
PRIVILEGES OR IMMUNITIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sworn under oath to defend the Constitution, they seek to destroy it!! When will their actions be considered treasonous? The Constitution protects the people from an overbearing government, the political powers ambition, is to become overbearing!!! ILLEGAL TO THE CONSTITUTION,MAKING THE PEOPLES GUARANTOR OF GOD GIVEN RIGHTS NULL AND VOID!! You can have a right to anything, except the God given ones!
Sovereignty, dissolved through health care, equates to ownership of the human bodies.
Empirical Power, has no boundaries!!!!
Obama is a ONE TERM PRESIDENT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=MddREczVeL4
True that,
although I do not think they considered themselves "eliete" in the sense
that they were above the "common" man.
"majority of the colonist did not support the war of treason with their blood"
They may not have died for the cause but they did risk their very lives by opposing the
king in this war of "treason".
Is it treasonous to oppose that which will destroy the country?
Your idea sounds good, but would the cowards in Washington have the courage to do anything like that?…Afterall it would benefit the whole country not just the Democrat constituency…I guess we were asleep for so long that we emboldened the pols to do a lot
of damage…We have to remain vigilant and build up our ranks and become a force like
the welfare give-me crowd are……Right now, that group outnumber us, don't you think? I
think that's why the MSM are always trying to demean us, because they are afraid if we
get any larger in ranks, we will be well on the road to being able to fixi our country!!
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Where does the Government get the funds it needs to operate? TAXES. So, lets look at reality. Unemployment means people are not getting a paycheck, which means they have no income the Government can tax, which means less and less TAXES are being collected. Well, no income to cover expenses, (fund the Government), no funds for operating expenses, leads to bankruptcy. If the Government was run like any other business, they ALL would be fired and most of them jailed!
As far as health care goes, they DO NOT want TORT reform. WHY? Because THEY are ALL lawyers. I say we create a new Amendment to the Constitution that says NO LAWYER can ever run for a political seat in our Government. The elected representatives,( represent), what does that mean? Anyhow, the elected representatives are doing what is best for them, not the PEOPLE they REPRESENT! It's time to put a stop to the madness.
It only applies to the little folk of no interest
some,(if not most or all) are in some way being forced into this death march
some,(if not most or all) will receive some form om compensation.
Massa dropped out and although I think he appears as crazy as a loon,
his ranting about the situation and then the sudden reversal smacks of an offer
he couldnt refuse. While watching him on Beck I had the feeling that whatever threats
used against him outweighed the truth.
The tipping point has now been reached. For the first time in our history, we have paid out more in welfare than we have achieved in revenue. We're a nation of dependents, victims, the "entitled".
In times past, immigrants made great sacrifices to come to America, work hard, learn English, assimilate, and become Americans. They sought Liberty. That's officially over.
It's time to rip that old green French statue off her pedestal in New York Harbor and commission the design of her post-American replacement: the "Statue of Benefits".
The tipping point has now been reached. For the first time in our history, we have paid out more in welfare than we have achieved in revenue. We're a nation of dependents, victims, the "entitled".
In times past, immigrants overcame huge obstacles to come here, to work, to learn English, to become Americans. They took those difficult steps in their quest for Liberty.
That's over.
Time to dismantle that old green French statue from her pedestal in New York Harbor. Time to commission an artist, who has given up his day job because Pelosi has guaranteed him health insurance, to design a new symbol — the Statue of Benefits.
Please excuse the near-duplicate posts. OpenID didn't work as expected today. Carry on.
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I don't wish to misunderstand you. But I don't wish for anyone to go feet first into screaming about how vile Dan's post is and how heartless he appears. Did you think I meant to insult the good readers of BG? I meant to lure the intern-trolls into reading Dan's post.
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I agree with all you say!!…But, they couldn't compensate me enough or threaten me
enough to do something I thought was dead wrong!!…I guess you leave all your pride
at the backdoor once you decide to get into politics, and that is part of the problem….
If I got fired, it would be by my own mistakes not because I followed Antsy Nancy or Obumble…
I see the White House Office of Propaganda has been busy this morning. TNT is presently running "John Q" and finished a "Law & Order" morning marathon including such subjects as those EVIL pro-lifers and greedy racists on Wall Street.
Me too! Forget anything I ever said about being an atheist!
Noticed that too there jacky.
I think that was intentional, they just didn't figure anyone would notice, and they can save on stationery later.
I agree the MSM is definitely 'into' the class envy game, in a big way.
The "cowards in Washington" DO NOT have the courage to make
the changes we need, without our pitchforks in their backs. We will
not be able to go back to our former routines after the 2010 & 2012
elections, even though I am optimistic for conservative outcomes.
These needed revisions will be the best legacy we may pass to the
generations that follow. We're setting the example for them now. We
need to at least begin to enforce current immigration law, & preferably
roll back the 'anchor baby' rule & deconstruct 'chain' immigration pro-
visions.
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