Thursday Open Thread: Lend Lease Edition
by PubliusToday, in 1941, FDR signed the Lend-Lease Act, allowing the United States to ship supplies on loan to nations fighting Nazi Germany. At the end of 2006, Great Britain made its last annual payment ($83 million) to the United States, paying off its debts to the US arising from WWII.
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I wonder how long it'll be before we pay off our foreign debt to China?
By 1935 the Nation had achieved some measure of recovery, but businessmen and bankers were turning more and more against Roosevelt's New Deal program. They feared his experiments, were appalled because he had taken the Nation off the gold standard and allowed deficits in the budget, and disliked the concessions to labor. Roosevelt responded with a new program of reform: Social Security, heavier taxes on the wealthy, new controls over banks and public utilities, and an enormous work relief program for the unemployed……
Sound familiar??? Wake up people!!!
But Wait! No other ally EVER paid off their War debt from WW2, and towards the end, I think the US quit charging them.
My memory serves that back under Reagan, the owed war debt (plus interest) was more than the deficit (back then).
Today, NOTHING is bigger than the deficit except Oba-Mao's hubris…
Other than just letting them come in and take over, that debt is going to be pretty much impossible to pay. Superior military force is the only reason we are still allowed on here to chat in the first place, much less in English.
I wonder if Hussein has a plan to force Chinese characters onto our computers so we can type 奥巴马新的英语。.
Rot in hell, F.D.R.
That's the language used in the new healthcare bill. Just make sure it gets passed quick so we can figure out what is in it.
I was going to comment on how we could have used some more of those payments still, but 83 million is approximately .00000663% of our current national debt…
Give FDR his due. I hate how he expanded government in the face of the Constitution, but he was right to support the UK against Germany.
I'd like to see US lend-lease Israel the F117's we're mothballing. Let them take care of that pesky Iranian nuclear program. No sanctions needed.
Nancy Pelosi's own words yesterday…:We won't know what is in the bill until we pass it"….These are the complete fools running our country!! Are you kidding me!! They expect us to sit back and let this happen without any fallout!!! They have a big surprise!!
Amen. He was so progressive, it makes me want to throw up.
Big Momma Pelosi acts as if this death-care bill is literally her baby with Hussein her babydaddy. She just wants to find out what its color and sex will be.
[...] » Thursday Open Thread: Lend Lease Edition – Big Government [...]
FDR's second bill of rights, his idea of what the government needed to hand us, includes but is not limited to:
A job
A home
Medical care
Education
Recreation
Doesn't France still owe us millions from WWll??? They will never pay us back while sitting on their a$$es and calling us names!! We should have let them speak German!
They have more than enough firepower without our help, just need our backing when the shit hits the fan. They know no one else has the balls to stand up for them, and if we don't, they know they're screwed.
Star Date 5309?
I wonder how much of that 83 million per year went to defending Europe during the Cold War?
Thing is Russia doesn't seem to have any compunction about arming Iran with advanced radar systems. The S-300 system Iran purchased and installed last year is supposed to be really good.
Yeah, regressives are such creepy control freaks.
Russia, China, and everyone else have no problem helping out anyone that doesn't like us or Israel much. We have consistently supported Israel much more technologically than our enemies have supported Iran. The reason they have the firepower in the first place is due to us. Three older links showing that we have been doing exactly what you were speaking of in the first place.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1025528.html
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3744319
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/isra...
Russia, China, and everyone else have no problem helping out anyone that doesn't like us or Israel much. We have consistently supported Israel much more technologically than our enemies have supported Iran. The reason they have the firepower in the first place is due to us. Three older links showing that we have been doing exactly what you were speaking of in the first place.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1025528.html
http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=3744319
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/isra...
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I would probably thank Glenn Beck for waking a few people up to some of FDR's wonderful Marxist/Socialist/Communist/Progressive/Liberal policies. To be honest, going through high school, and even as a history major in college currently, my teachers and professors rarely have anything bad to say about him. Most of that praise comes from people educated by those that teach about how FDR singlehandedly pulled us out of the depression, was a major reason for allied victory in WWII, and was pretty much perfect.
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FDR gets the praise due to mis-education. Through high school and even in college currently I haven't heard anything much other than praise for FDR from the front of the room. Same with Barry, though not quite as much.
FDR was the closest thing we have ever had to a king, until now. Funny how swiftly after King Franklin's demise we term limited the Presidency. It is frightening how the Dems worship this man. Prior to WW2 he managed to maintain an unemployment rate of 12-17%. His policies were a disaster for the country.
Thanks for the links. I just think the F117's would strike a little panic into Iran and wipe the smile from Amadinnerjackets smarmy face.
Ok, you win on the geek scale!
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[...] » Thursday Open Thread: Lend Lease Edition – Big Government [...]
In 1992, when I was hosting a visiting Russian refinery site manager at a major refinery being dismantled and sold off in SoCal (just after it was modernized extensively thanks to DUMB CAL-EPA) there was a humorous moment. The Russian, upon seeing a WWII vintage C.F. Braun designed hydrotreater, exclaimed, "Thank you Mr. Roosevelt!" Via his Swedish agent/interpreter, I discovered that the refinery manager had three identical hydrotreater at his refinery thanks to Lend Lease.
FYI, these small hydrotreaters were for removing sulfur from aviation fuel (premium gasoline).
An accurate account of history for today’s masses becomes even more skewed now that Wikipedia is the main source of information used by a majority of elementary thru college aged students and adults.
A U T , so right about wiki,…………this discussion came up a few weeks ago. Some said
they were attending estate sales for the express purpose of buying World Book & Ency-
clopedia Britianica from the 50's & 60's, hoping to capture a small amount of history,
currently being swept away by revisionists, for their children & grandchildren.
With as much firepower as we hook Israel up with, added to their own considerable arsenal and technologies, plus the top secret scary ass shit we both have, not to mention Israel's nuclear capabilities, or the massive U.S. presence in the gulf (occupying Iraq between the two), I'manutjob should never have that smirk on his face in the first place. Any attack on his professed enemies Israel or the U.S. cannot end in any way other than the complete annihilation of Iran. I don't get these people.
While I'm at it this story just came out a few weeks ago.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3852476...
And a look at some of the newer and prototype U.S. and Israeli drones (among others)
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/scitech/2010/03/...
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The British got quite a good deal on that loan. Still pales when compared tot he ultimate sacrifices made during that war.
Crap! Now a Brooklyn judge has ruled that unfunding ACORN was unconstitutional. So, if you can't just cut off taxpayer funding to a group because they're engaged in illegal activity, then we trulky are screwed as a nation.
But FDR was flawed. He didn't spend enough.
Remember that statement?
When history repeats, as it is now, people can't help but learn from repeated history. Remember, we were told that FDR had the right idea; he just didn't spend enough.
A Republican president leaves office at the start of a great economic downturn,….
A Democrat president takes over,…… "…the only thing we have to fear…"
Th New Deal creates a lot of spending,… and no new jobs,…….PERIOD,…….
the roll of the Federal gov. is vastly increased.,….than,….
Today,…..the only thing left to do now is "……a date which will live in infamy"
Good news for us is they were able to pay off. Good news for them is they paid in relatively worthless dollars…
rckmom – bingo – this time though they're a lot more organized under direction from the UN. The UN was expecting our money at the bogus cllimatechange summit, didn't get it thanks to those wonderful hackers, now they've focused on getting it from the taxes from healthcare. Next perhaps our IRA's. Carbon foot-prints was the cover for herding us into urbania in sectors allocated by them. Rewilding would ensure the land was uninhabital therefore protecting precious metals, oil, water and food. Sustainable Development is their Marxist/Communist ploy.
83 Million sure sounds like 'chump change' these days.
Two hundred and thirty four days until the next election. Let's hope the American people don't forget until then. Wait, no need to worry, these dumbasses will still be pulling the same shit the night before the election. Hubris…
"still hurting us from the grave", so true about FDR,
& add LBJ to that category.
Ah yes Annie, our family, as farmers has been aware of the terminology 'sustainable agriculture'
for about 15 to 20 years. Code speak for, return to the cultural practices of the 1920's. Problem
is we didn't have 300M people in the USA to feed back then. Who will go without food?
I always wondered why FDR got so much praise from everyone!…I
never thought of him as a great president…I'm glad to see that so
many people are waking up to how he hurt us, and how he's still
hurting us from his grave with his "legacy"……..And if Obumble gets
his way, he will hurt us to the point that I'm not sure we'll dig our
way out of it……
Lend Lease – the US giving material supplies to the Allies and thus the entry of the US in to a foreign war in opposition to our own Monroe Doctrine AND on the side of communists and bankers, no less. But FDR was a globalist banker/communist-sympathizer (what most don't realize is they are often the same). What a dark period in our history.
Exactly! FDR is 'Obumble light' by comparison.
Excellent! I missed that discussion but it's good that many are doing this. But…I have some stuff from the '40s that already has a leftward tilt and is chuck full of FDR worship. I remember thinking how slanted Reader's Digest was in the '70s but I'd give anything to have even that amount of objective journalism back.
The British are notorious for dragging out payables beyond 30 days.
March 11, 1941 is the day that Roosevelt, the body politic of Washington, American capital and American industry, entered WWII. Three months later Germany invades Russia and begins inflicting mass casualties.
"Wickedpedia"… a means to an end: change history, change facts…
The UK joins only Sweden in the list of countries that have paid us back….
does that say "drudge report"??
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FDR was in bed with the Russians, thought they were wonderful, knew their spies were all over his administration and did not " want to hear about it" from anyone.
FDR's part in the death of General George Patton at the end of WWII ??
After reading Robert K. Wilcox book, "Target Patton" ……..makes you wonder or at least onfirms much
of what is known about FDR's from Russia with love attitude.
you are right WWU, there is some slant, even that far back, but some historical events that
are being completely dropped from Amer History text books, are at least included. When
will the 'book burning' begin?
The US should have stayed out of both WWI and WWII.
Also, ironically GM was making trucks for lend-lease AND NAZI Germany….but whatever.
Great idea. So, when the Kaiser, Hitler, the Imperial Junta, or whoever else finally finishes off with all foreign opposition and takes control over the vast majority of the world and tries to implement "Die Kuba Memorandum" of 1898- effectively an implicit German declaration to repudiate the Monroe Doctrine and usurp American dominance in Latin America and thus endanger American independence – we will be OH-So READY to fight them back, right?
Say what you will about FDR, but the man did recognize German and Japan for the threats that they were. Far lesso Stalin, but even he did have his moments with him.
FDR wasn't perfect, but it is well worth noting that even Soviet intelligence regarded him as an enemy who would fight against them if pushed. What is often forgotten is that he actually threatened the Soviets with war if they joined Hitler in an attack upon the British Asian empire, or otherwise openly joined the war on the side of the Axis.
The man trusted Stalin too much and made inexcusable mistakes at Yalta, but he was hardly a lapdog of the Kremlin to the extent many say.
Ah, not another idio.
"in to a foreign war in opposition to our own Monroe Doctrine"
If you knew ANYTHING about German intelligence activities, you would have heard of the Cuba Memorandum of 1898, which was re-instituted by Hitler only a FEW DAYS after he entered office in 1933. It was an explicit REPUDIATION of the Monroe Doctrine and an explicit declaration of German intent to eliminate American power in the Pacific and Latin America. In effect, it was a declaration of war. And their intel war against us by proxy far predated the outbreak of open war, as shown by our interventions in Central America and an abortive German-backed conspiracy to try and seize the Panama Canal. And this is ignoring the murder of American citizens and soldiers in the open seas as early as SEPTEMBER 1939, far before Lend Lease.
Regardless of whenever we went to war with Hitler, Hitler was already at war with us, and had been since the first week he spent in office.
" AND on the side of communists and bankers, no less."
Firstly, far from all bankers were allied to the Allies, as you would know if you examined the role Wall Street had in arming Hitler for war. Secondly, the Communists hadn't entered the picture yet, and wouldn't for several months, and indeed FDR had threatened to declare war on THE USSR if it had joined with the Germans to attack the Western Allies abroad. Thirdly, due to Hitler's aggression, it is hardly outlandish that we sought allies where we could in the face of undeniable German hostility.
"But FDR was a globalist banker/communist-sympathizer (what most don't realize is they are often the same)."
He was naive regarding Stalin and gave in too easily, but his ultimatum to the Kremlin in 1940 shows he was hardly a sympathizer, and that you are full of it.
"What a dark period in our history."
Which you and the other idiots would have made even DARKER by paving the way for either the Japanese, the Germans, or (as happened to a limited extent) the Soviets to straddle the globe against us. Any ideas on how the Monroe doctrine would have fared THEN, idiot?
Learn history before you open your trap.
I think our founding father's knew what they were talking about when they warned us about getting involved in foreign wars. And I don't think the Germans would have conquered the world in WWI if not for the Americans
Transferring the fleet of F-117 stealth fighter bombers to the Israeli's would send shivers down the spine of that little lunatic in Tehran. This more than almost anything else would bring "nut job a minute job" to his senses and cause him to make a B-line to the negotiation table and allow IAEA inspectors into his country.
These magnificent planes are currently mothballed at Area 51 near Tonopah, NV. They need once again be put to there rightful use, which is maintaining the peace.
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