Thursday Open Thread: Washington Edition
by PubliusToday, in 1789, the Electoral College unanimously elected George Washington as the first President of the United States. (Yes, we understand there were a few other “presidents” preceding Washington, but he was the first President under the U.S. Constitution.)
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If George Washington were here today, he would be in Washington D.C. running everyone out!! Everything that has been done to the Constitution in the last 100 years, goes against everything our founding fathers had in mind when we left England!! Our ancestors DID NOT leave Europe to come to an uncharted land to start another dictatorship! They came for FREEDOM from such tyranny! We cannot allow any more politicians abandon and corrupt our rights!!
"…a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever."
John Adams
If Adams was correct, then we can all stop worrying. Game over. Checkmate. We lose.
From George Washington to Barack Hussein Obama. God help us all, look how far we've fallen as a country!
Will we ever again have a selection of such men of courage and character as we did in 1788? Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison…
I hope so, for our country's sake.
We desperately need people of character who put the country's welfare and future as a whole above party politics. I'm willing to sacrifice a LOT if it means my children will inherit a country worth defending.
I want the slimes out of political power, replaced by people unafraid to have their entire histories examined under a microscope, without any crooked baggage, and with the intestinal fortitude to stare down and defeat the hordes of mendicants besieging our Republic's foundations.
I'm hopeful, but not optimistic.
It's time to honor the Founding Fathers with a return to the dream that was their creation from the nightmare it has become.
Voting doesn't seem to be enough. Neither do these posts. Gee, I wonder what's left?
We're not there yet. Scott Brown will likely be sworn in today. He's the tip of the wedge.
Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth.
George Washington
Two Black Male athletes refute Pro-Life Superbowl ad! They support "women's health" that is promoted with killing their unborn baby. What about the health of the unborn baby? The men say it's only the woman's choice to kill that matters. Yuk!
There are many very good reasons why the Second Amendment's topic, the "right to bear arms," came right after the First Amendment's protection of freedom of speech.
Our Founding Fathers knew a thing or two about priorities.
I don't see the relevance, either the color of the athletes' skin, nor the health of women. A vanishingly small number of abortions are committed to preserve the mother's health. Abortion is used as birth control most of the time. If these athletes really cared about the health of women, they'd best be concerned with the psychological toll abortion has on them, the guilt and sense of betrayal, and the consequences to their physical health, such as an increased likelihood of contracting breast cancer.
On second thought, the color of these athletes skin is ironically relevant. Black babies are butchered at a much higher rate than other demographic groups.
They should be ashamed.
Pitchforks and torches?
This could become a holiday if only BHO would simply resign. A day that gave us one great American and a day that a cancerous piece of humanity left the American body.
I wonder how men with far less education comparatively and certainly far less resources were so able to govern at a level tha makes todays, I hesitate to say leaders, prove to be so entirely worthless. Must be a gene somewhere that has been made less effective with modern educations.
for him to come back, for just a week and tell a few people some things…
President George Washington would have a plan; this plan would not include wagging a flamboyant finger at "them" while preaching to the choir about the inferiority of others.
I wonder if they know that half of the black conceptions in this country are aborted? Suicidal morons.
It isn't so much that the government is acting in an un-Constitutional manner, it is that they are acting in an anti-Constitutional manner. Both parties are complicit, one is just more overt. As I recall, George Washington didn't like the idea of political parties.
I would have to say they have FAR MORE education then the people today unless you consider aroma therapy, conflict resolution and revised history et al: a better education.. In Washinton's days they understood true tyranny most colleges today teach tyranny as America defending itself from its enemies and embrace tyrants..
Fortunately, Adams was wrong from time to time. Pointed sticks with the heads of bureaucrats= Liberty.
HELP!———Can someone, anyone, explain to me a quality reason why the IRS 'needs' Shotguns?
"The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) intends to purchase sixty Remington Model 870 Police RAMAC #24587 12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. The Remington parkerized shotguns, with fourteen inch barrel, modified choke, Wilson Combat Ghost Ring rear sight and XS4 Contour Bead front sight, Knoxx Reduced Recoil Adjustable Stock, and Speedfeed ribbed black forend, are designated as the only shotguns authorized for IRS duty based on compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory, certified armorer and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts."
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If there is no reasonable explanation, and so far I can think of none, then let me lead the way with conspiracy theories.
1) The new taxes being written behind closed doors in DC are going to be so egregious, the administration foresees a revolt of the taxpayers, centering on the IRS building in DC.
Not so fast my friend, do you really believe what you posted ? if so you are part of the problem.
We haven't lost yet and in case you haven't noticed more and more people are waking up to the marxist muslim in office and the anti- American scum in the senate and the house.
I know it looks bad but don't give up just yet and for christs sake don't ever let " THEM " think for a second that we've lost. We will overcome this.
…12 gauge pump-action shotguns for the Criminal Investigation Division. Criminal Investigation Division pretty straight forward.
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…compatibility with IRS existing shotgun inventory…
This means that them purchasing shotguns is nothing new. They have existing inventory and have had such inventory long enough to create an armory and write a policy about how purchasing needs to be of the same make and model.
A remarkable man, thank God he started the tradition of presidents for our great land, thank you George Washington!
I'm reading McCullogh's "1776". General Washington did so much with so little in the way of funding, equipment and manpower that it is difficult NOT to believe there was Divine intervention taking place during the fight for Independence. Washington had to keep his feelings about the direness of the Continental army's situation to himself, not only for fear of affecting the morale of his own men, but also to keep the enemy from gaining valuable intelligence. It was mostly an army of farmers and other tradesmen who fought (what was then) the greatest and most powerful military force on Earth, and despite a shortage of powder, supplies and trained men, they combined determination, ingenuity and sometimes, sheer luck to gain victory.
Torches have been banned due to the effect on climate change. Well, according to the latest emails out from England. Sorry.
Let us pray that he keeps his motives in line with the Constitution and the entire foundation of this incredible country. In other words, let's hope his honor has no price. For if there is a price on his honor, it wasn't honor to begin with.
I relished reading about how Washington took Trenton from the Hessians and turned the war in our favor. It had to be Divine intervention.
Mike
That is all well and good. They have had them for awhile. Why?
Criminal Investigation Division.–Ok! IRS is a paper work/computer orientated division of the government. Why do they need an 'armed' division? They have the FBI, the US Marshals service, State and Local Police etc. to back them up at a moments notice, if they need to physically seize assets of tax cheats.
Al Capone was 'brought down' in court by the IRS.
And can you imagine anyone doing today a feat similar to Henry Knox's expedition to get the cannons from Ft Ticonderoga??? Knox was a BOOKSELLER. He and his brother approached Washington with the idea to get the guns, and then they went out and did it. They used sleds to haul them, hauled them up and down mountains, over frozen rivers (poking holes in the ice to strengthen it) and through villages. Just amazing.
When I think of how detrimental our govt has become to us, and how lazy, soft and selfish we as a people have allowed ourselves to become, it makes me angry. I think if we work hard we can stop the damage and, with even more work, reverse it.
Yeah. Well BHO is perhaps one of the stupidest \”Constitutional law teachers\” ever. He was mystified by the failure of the Constitution to address the issue of the redistribution of wealth (the economy). The Founders left that out for a very good reason; it isn't the federal government's fricking business! He is the epitome of a liberal education; a Frankenstein of the body politic. It is truly incredible how stupid the average voter is, thanks to our wonderful education system.
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“For if men are to be precluded from offering their sentiments on a matter which may involve the most serious and alarming consequences that can invite the consideration of Mankind, reason is of no use to us. The freedom of speech may be taken away, and dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.” (quoted in David Ramsay’s The Life of George Washington, 1832)
Well, on the plus side, it's an excellent weapon choice.
But yeah, on the down side, why does the IRS need to be armed? Especially in the socialist utopia of Obamastan?
What the seek is a communist manifesto for the USA
You might like the entire quote (it's great):
“Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence. The church, the plow, the prairie wagon and citizen’s firearms are indelibly related. From the hours the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. Every corner of this land knows firearms, and more than 99% of them by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good.” (George Washington, address to first session of Congress, 1789)
“Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” ~ George Washington (1732-1799)
“I bet, after seeing us, he [George Washington] would sue us for calling him ‘Father’.” ~ Will Rogers
I contend that the question of when life begins, whether the egg, the conception, first term, second term, third term, or delivery at birth, is seated in religion. If I decide to deliver a fetus at home in private with my chosen family and friends, and that fetus comes prematurely and cannot survive on its own, am I guilty of negligence and murder, or do I have the Constitutional Right in freedom of religion to say no machines and no hospital? If the doctors say that the fetus will not have life with natural birth, and surgical removal will give the fetus life, can they force me to have surgery, or is that my Constitutional religious decision? Does the Tea Party truly believe that the end-all is the Constitution and our God given Rights, and my religious freedom is mine to decide?
Absolutely.
We used to celebrate his birthday and bake cherry pies. Now we have Presidents' Day and politically correctedness police.
David McCullough's books should be on the teachers' union required reading list – instead of Alinsky.
I sometimes wish it was 1789.
There was no political correctness back then. I was just listening to Rush and the media is pounding him for using what they now call the "R" word (not as pejorative on Rush's part). While I'm enjoying events as far as Sarah Palin going after Rahm Deadfish I'm worried about things getting out of hand. Like the NAACP, the Texas MHMR are now stuck with a name not politically correct. Sheet music will now have the word scrubbed (Italian Ritardando) and use the long form, the shortened Rit or just the English for "slow down". The unintentional consequence of things like this are an ever increasing vocabulary of newspeak. Oh well, I think I'll just enjoy this little show while it lasts.
I have a suggestion that needs a good graphics artist to perform… I would like a good subversive artist to design a T-shirt logo using the NEA in some disparaging way that would be wearable by students in schools. It is the perfect place to use Free Speech to advantage.
I'm just the idea person… don't own and can't use photoshop. and my brain does not work 'graphically' it seems. LoL
It goes back to before the time the 'revenuers' came looking to confiscate our property, even down to the last 'still'.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/feedman/2897091250/s...
But yeah, why now, with the bloated bureaucracies like ATF, would the IRS need to be armed?
Good answer. They learned more in nine grades than is possible today unless one has a few degrees under their belt and a real, classical education in the liberal (lower case l) arts.
Soon to be a movie like "National Treasure"!
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If they want to solve the 'energy crisis' they need to harness the energy expended by Washington spinning in his grave.
It's amazing that the fact that they were rich is a problem for many libs today, yet the wealthy in congress today seem to be the most beholden to special interests or in some other way retarded.
George Washington’s greatest act was to refuse to be crowned king.
My how things have changed.
I've had that dream too. George, Thomas, James, John…anyone else handy. If they were to come back to walk the halls of Congress today…
They say they want a living Constitution, what they seek is a dead Constitution. They would have prefered an abortion.
True. None of us are perfect. But as an Amerindian (hate those labels) I'd have to say that the great good he did in service to this nation outweighs any negative circumstances of war.
Let's celebrate the positives we have in common and fight the leftists and their tactics of envy and resentment.
If I didn't devote so much time to reading news because of this corrupt, sneaky govt. I could put something together in Illustrator and finish in Photoshop, which takes a good deal of time. I'll have to free up some time. In the meantime, there are some interesting bits at cafepress (none mine)
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I've got a crush on George Washington! (and Thomas Jefferson too!)
Not only were they wealthy, they were highly educated, when almost nobody was college educated, let alone with post Bacalaureat degrees, which many of the FFs had. They were ELITIST to boot, some were slave owners, and many had either peculiar personal habits and/or sex scandals. In other words……….they weren't "perfect", many of today's supposed "conservatives", had they the chance to go back, in a time machine, wouldn't have voted for most, if not all of them, but one thing is for sure and certain……………….THEY WERE BRILLIANTAND WITHOUT THEM, THIS NATION WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN AS GREAT AS SHE ONCE WAS AND CAN BE AGAIN .
Washington was treated so badly, during his second term, that it is hardly surprising that he couldn't wait to leave; especially since he didn't really want the job to begin with.
More impressive than anything else, about him, is that he was offered the title of "king" and denied it. He was offered ( actually there were those who begged him to ) a lifetime position, but denied it.
Please send this story to students in NC. Here after US History in High School will start with 1877. I guess that means that Rutherford B. Hayes will be the father of NC's country. Oh MY!!
I think you should bolster your backbone and clean your guns. It is not over, by a longshot, unless too many people think like you… who ought to display even a shadow of the fortitude and courage of the founders, most of whom were ruined (including dead) by the time the revolution was over. It doesn't come cheap, buddy. You are either part of the problem, or part of the solution. You know ? The left is enamored with a cause they could die for, that is bigger than they, and their house, and their possesions, and their jobs, and even the (immediate) wellbeing of those they love. They are more interested in the endgame… the legacy of how humanity will proceed from here. Are you that interested ? The founders were, and they put it all on the line for what they believed. Your defeatism is disgusting, though I know it may have been only a momentary quip, and I cannot say that I have never been guilty of the same. Please hang in there, and evaluate the degree to which you are willing to ensure, at whatever cost, that freedom is not killed by these silly tyrannical people.
It was not devine intervention. It was people with guts. Not many of them around today, at least at high levels. Do YOU have guts ? Are YOU ready to fight ?
So are you running for the school board ? Are you raising hell ? You will not be forgiven, if you don't. This is YOUR chance to make a difference.
……………………….6 feet of rope, and a loaded gun?
He won't. He's a big lib, just like McCain. He was simply the LOTE choice and the best anyone could hope for from Taxachussetts.
Why are you angry with me? John Adams said it. I only repeated it. Killing the messenger doesn't solve anything. This country is circling the drain and if you don't see it, you're in denial. I don't think you fully appreciate the extent to which we are boned. You go ahead and play with your guns if you want to. You'll only succeed in making a terrible situation worse. And, it's not just America. The whole world is coming unglued. It's just a matter of time.
FYI-Washington signed a statement that he assainated a french soldier, Washington also disliked american indians, he was just a man
Thank you for this much. i was thinking of something that would be more sneaky for the kids to wear. but then we might need the ADF on hand to keep their free speech rights… but it sure would be fun to watch :popcorn:
Sorry, Doc. I don't look at us as fallen. Just the 52% of the voting public who put Obama into office.
Let's work on the next election NOW to get this guy outta office.
He'd have run them out at the end of rilfe long before things got to this point.
I'm familiar with the quote, and all he said was that 'IF" Adams was right……
Whether he was right or wrong, it is incumbent on us to do what can be done, and it will probably be profoundly imperfect again. It's part of the human condition.
if you're 18, voting shouldn't be a problem. convincing your neighbor not to cancel your vote matters, too
I agree with Injun, he put his stake on being there to fracture a crushing majority and tripping dems up on health care just before the finish line, and he came out on top. That doesn't make him a conservative and Mass. voters didn't send him there to be some sort of firebrand revolutionary. I'm sure he'll get flamed here eventually but all of us right learners cheered him on and offered support for one reason and one reason only, health care.
Goodness, that is absolutely spine tingling. I wonder how I'd missed it all these years. You have 1000 of my most sincere thanks for posting that, It's like being kicked in the gut.
What have we done.
Uh… I hear ya man, however… I attended a wonderful, if less than prestigious University and studied Constitutional Law (I LOVE to argue…), and my experience is that all but a handful of "professors" are dyed-in-the-wool Communists. I analyzed numerous Supreme Court decisions and found many of them to be "retarded" (shout out to Rahm!). BHO ain't stupid. He isn't "mystified" by anything in the Constitution. He is a Statist at best, and a Communist at less than the worst. They are all about power! Repub's ain't a whole lot better either. If you understand the Constitution reasonably well I believe you might enjoy Ayn Rand. The lesson is: Don't give them the power in the first place! Too many of us are complicit in our acceptance without properly understanding our own negative "contribution" to the whole mess in the first place! Vive' Liberte!
You know I'm kind of resigned to that myself. You have it so completely dead on referencing newspeak. Some people just completely missed the mark on this. It's a judgment issue no different than my kid slipping an expletive in school. There are times and places, if you want to be the kind puke who uses a term like that then you get down with your bad self. Everything that blows through your head doesn't need to be coming out of your mouth, get on the stick and exercise some discipline. We're distracted from important things by this. He stepped over the line, that's all. He issued his apology, I'm not interested in nailing the guy to a steak and setting a fire under him. (okay maybe a small smoldering fire)
Also, this guy……this effing guy for that matter, we knew what he was for many years leading up to now, this is nothing out of the ordinary at all for this guy.
Not to mention the fact that most of the FFs had at the least, an undergraduate degree and many had graduate degrees, since they were lawyers and this at a time when almost nobody went to college except lawyers and ministers.
Yes, all together they were brilliant; though there were also a few idiot in the bunch, in Philly.
Sadly, most modern people refuse to look past the vocabulary and it wasn't their facility with vocabulary no longer in common use, that sets them apart; it was the way in which they understood mankind and set to setting up a lot of THOU SHALT NOTS, because they knew what could happen, due to the nature of mankind.
And re that word usage………………all of them threw far worse insults at each other and in a more clever and hurtful way, than anyone does/can today.
Politics, at the dawn of our nation, was as vicious and dirty, if not more so, than it is today……………including the use of their MSM !
Do you honestly believe that we'll abolish Social Security and Medicare? Do you think we'll ever stop licensing drivers or vehicles? Do you think we'll ever enforce immigration laws? Do you really think we'll be able to get rid of the Federal Reserve or go back to the gold standard?
Yes, I really believe what I posted. Freedom. once lost is lost forever. You can't get it back without starting over completely. If you think that's possible, you haven't been keeping up with the current state of our military hardware.
And the 48% who allowed that 52% to thrive and grow right under our noses while we sat back and did nothing. History will record that those with the most to lose did the least to keep it. Sad, but true.
Yes, we have fallen. Unless and until we remember the height from whence we fell, we will never be able to reclaim that high hill and relight the torch of Liberty.
ROFL! Even our cigarettes are fireproof nowadays!
We are outgunned and out- equipped, if not outnumbered. I might also add that once you open that door you must walk through it and there's no going back. Additionally, the rest of the world is not going to sit idly by and wait for us to resolve it amongst ourselves.
There are a great many things to consider before opening that door.
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Admit it!
If George Washington knew we had a Kenyan born muslim usurper-in-chief leading our great nation, he'd shit his britches.
Dittos.
Thank you for that flesh out.
Amen
I think one of the words we may be searching for to describe them is "chuztpah." They refused to be pushed around by royalty convinced that they were "revolting peasants," to borrow a pun used by Charles Krauthammer in his column today describing how the dems tend to view people who oppose their "wise guidance of our nation."
One of them who had huge brass ungats was John Adams, seldom given the credit he is due, probably because he tended to be a royal, stubborn, outspoken pain in the @55, but never afraid to hold true to his principles despite potentially disastrous consequences. I love his quote, "Facts are stubborn things."
That's a quote this administration might to well to heed.
I hope there is an afterlife so he and the rest of the Founding Fathers can know what a wonderful legacy they bestowed upon us through their courage and perseverance.
In aggregate they were brilliant, a prefect alignment and context and circumstances that only divine providence could have produced, individually they were imperfect. The Adams letters alone illustrate this verbosely.
The 48% were the ones who refrained from doing "nothing." We voted.
We should look to the non-voting public. I challenge everyone reading this to "convert" their neighbor who would otherwise cancel out their vote in every election from now to 2012 (and beyond).
We haven't fallen. You haven't fallen. Maybe the stoned guy you see wandering the streets has fallen, but even so, everyone is reachable.
Fallen is you and me in prison for speaking our minds, here, now.
I'm done with rhetoric. It's time to act.
You miss the point I am making. Collectively, we provided these progressive Communists with a friendly, nurturing environment in which to grow and thrive. We were warned that they were a malignant cancer on on our society (Joseph McCarthy, most notably), and yet we chose to do nothing about it. We were warned as late as 1988 by Ronald Wilson Reagan – the greatest President of the last 100 years. Did we listen? No.
How can you say with a straight face that we haven't fallen from our former greatness? Do you not realize that Social Security, Medicare, and Welfare are anti-Constitutional? Do you think that Lewis and Clark had to register their guns, boats and horses: and purchase licenses from the Government (being told by said government that operating them was a privilege and not a Right!)? Will we ever abolish the Federal Reserve?
No, my dear. We have fallen, and we can't get up. Adams was right. Freedom – once lost can never be regained. We will NEVER see these things I have mentioned overturned. Why? Because Adams was right.
We can argue ad naseaum about the "morality" or "inherent need" for these institutions, but only if we completely ignore their un-Constitutional foundations. I don't think you see the big picture yet. You need to see freedom through the lens of our Founders instead of the perspective of your own short life, or the last election cycle. If you do this you will see I am correct.
As I said above, unless and until we remember the height from whence we fell, we will never be able to reclaim that high hill and relight the torch of Liberty.
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Of course I see the big picture. Everyone does.
My not quoting the truths of our founding fathers doesn't prove I don't "see" or am missing your self-pitying point.
You're preaching to the choir here and I'm talking pragmatics.
Like I said, enough with the rhetoric.
If you sincerely believe all is lost, then you would see no point in posting here and would continue to wallow in your "never reclaim" mantra .. ad nauseam, in the corner.
It's not enough to say things to an obscure person on some anonymous thread to hear yourself reiterate our Founding Fathers principles.
I can't imagine Washington or Adams bloviating this way.
You are so right chopper!
Sanity became unhinged.
Good luck to you, pal.
good goin', Jim.
excellent response.
way to go Jonas
Good luck to you as well, blind lady. Don't fall in any ditches.
Washington was a great military strategist, he wasnt a republican or a democrat he was a federalist and didnt believe in political parties. as a conservative I try to steer clear of hero worship like the moron libs and their beloved Obama, and then i think of Scott Brown and his support of abortion, kinda makes my stomach turn…
Like you, I am a huge John Adams fan and have been on since I was a teen. Jefferson, wrongfully gets far more attention and uncalled for credit.
The more one finds out about the for real Thomas Jefferson, the less one is going to like him. OTOH, the more one learns about John Adams, the more one is h=going to like and appreciate him.
Hamilton is another of my favorites, though had I lived back then, I most probably would have agreed with John and Abby Adams and not been much of a Hamiltonian, due to the Hamilton sex scandal; though it was a setup………………..unlike Ben Franklin's hideous immorality and perverted personal life, which was all of his own doing.
Blah, blah, blah. Yawn. If you don't like the conversation, move on. You've obviously got a plan to fix it all…go run for President. You are obtuse enough to qualify for the position.
Oh, wait…ESTRADA…you're probably an illegal alien…I'm sorry…"undocumented worker". Guess you won't be running for election. You talk a lot of crap. Why don't you tell me what you've done that you think I haven't done. As far as I can see you're pretty full of rhetoric yourself. I'm not seeing any answers falling out of your overly pious pie hole. Here's a suggestion for you. Go stuff yourself.
Hardly anything is just state law only these days. History and human nature have shown that will not change unless the U. S. Constitution is amended, since federal judges interprete federal authority. Congress won't propoese anythng to limit its own power, since power goes to the heads of those elected to federal offices, regardless of political party. A better approach is found at: http://www.foa5c.org/ which would put the Tea Party Movement in the role of enforcing compliance with the U. S.Constitution instead of possible insurrection.
Many decades have passed since Congress was required to call an Article V Convention, but did not. Such a meeting allows states to propose U. S. Constitutional amendments to their legislatures for approval by 3/4 of the states or automatic rejection. Forcing such a convention to take place is the one place where the Tea Party Movement could make an enduring difference. Failure to act has been bi-partisan and crosses other political divides.
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