Canadian Premier Comes to U.S. For Health Care
by PubliusFrom Canada’s National Post:
Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams
Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.
Deputy premier Kathy Dunderdale confirmed the treatment at a news conference Tuesday, but would not reveal the location of the operation or how it would be paid for.
“He has gone to a renowned expert in the procedure that he needs to have done,” said Ms. Dunderdale, who will become acting premier while Mr. Williams is away for three to 12 weeks.
“In consultation with his own doctors, he’s decided to go that route.”
Mr. Williams’ decision to leave Canada for the surgery has raised eyebrows over his apparent shunning of Canada’s health-care system.
“It was never an option offered to him to have this procedure done in this province,” said Ms. Dunderdale, refusing to answer whether the procedure could be done elsewhere in Canada.
Mr. Williams, 59, has said nothing of his health in the media.
“The premier has made a commitment that once he’s through this procedure and he’s well enough, he’s going to talk about the whole process and share as much detail with you as he’s comfortable to do at that time,” she said.
Read the whole article here. We’ll refrain from a lot of comment, as the story and the facts speak for themselves. But, when the equivalent of a Governor can’t get a specific procedure, what chance does the average Canadian have?
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And where do we go when OboMao gets done
Lord help us all
Hmmm…does this indicate two standards of healthcare?
Canadia has not kept up and purchased the most modern MRI and EP technology. I don't blame him a bit. He also won't have to wait between diagnostics and surgery. Health care rationing will be detrimental in most every way. It will only save money because some will die before their case is scheduled.
The title says it all.
Of course we have more skilled surgeons you flippin birdbrains and also some of the most skilled in the world. Canada has 25 million people. We have well over 300 million and the largest economy in the world.
God you people are stupid.
Oh yes, our wonderful health care system…not! It is still nice that the Premiere can afford to travel to the states for this procedure. Most Canadians can't.
Yes it does! One for those who can afford to travel to the States for health care and those who can't.
It is one way to confirm that Canada is in need of skilled professionals. The country has been inviting people from other countries to migrate specially for healthcare, engineering and education professionals. They really need people out there.
"Of course we have more skilled surgeons "
Not for long A$$ hole
Stupid is as Stupid does
F. Gump
Yeah, that and all of Canada's skilled surgeons moved to the U.S.
What would Canadians do if the braindead legislators currently sitting in our House and Senate forced "healthcare reform" on us? Where would they go???
We have the best health care system in the world, and our elected "representatives" are trying like mad to make it as crappy as everyone else's.
Another result of health care that doens't live up to international stardards I suppose. I would imagine the Chicago thugs doctors are among the best when it comes to mending gunshot wounds. Not necessarily good at fixing mental derelictions but very good with gunshots.
And the only people they'll get is those desparate to escape their home countries. They won't get the quality professionals.
Williams should be forced to use his own country's failure of a healthcare system. Let him wait years for surgery and get 2nd-rate care like everyone else in Canada has to suffer with.
Americans should know that Danny Williams doesn’t recieve the same health care as everyone else in Canada. The political class routinely jumps the long queues the rest of us must line up in for months, sometimes even years. (It can take over a year to even see an Orthopedic surgeon for your first consultation)It is telling that even with his ability to jump to the front of the line he decided to run to the US to undergo surgery. You should also know that health care is by far the largest expenditure for our Provincial Governments, and it will bankrupt us in the not too distant future. Be aware that though there are private medical clinics in Canada, for the most part it is ILLEGAL to buy a service such as heart surgery. Your health care system will worsen dramatically if you ever implement a socialized system. Count on it.
It makes perfect sense to come to America for the world's best health care. (FOR NOW)
You mean even without the waiting list the health care is THAT BAD?!?!?
I wonder if MSM will cover this?
Where would they go? Excellent point and one that leftist swine won't address and won't be honest about when 'debating' the health care issue.
The man only needs ONE skilled surgeon. You mean a country of 25 million with such a wonderful health care system can't find the man ONE skilled surgeon?
And if it's simply a matter of population density, wouldn't he stand a better chance finding a skilled surgeon in say China? India? They have pretty big economies too, you know.
But no, of course you will find the most skilled surgeons here in the United States, precisely because the free market approach to health care is still the best that has ever existed in human history.
Let's not forget that. That would be "stupid."
As a Canadian Citizen(who currently lives in the U.S.), let me assure you that Canada has plenty of skilled Surgeons. The problem is the socialized system of Health Care that makes it so inefficent. The equipment, once similar to that in the US has become outdated, there is no incentive to research new medical tech, and the most glaring issue is the awful wait times(month after month) and the limit as to what specialists you can see. Most of my friends and relatives will utilize the Canadian system for the mundane medical, but for anything serious they all come to the states.
Sounds like my experience with socialized health care in Europe. I always figured that whatever treatment me and my family was offered in Europe was 5-15 years behind the US in terms of innovation.
Do you think the Progressive sycophants will listen? Nah, me either.
Frankly, if anyone is for the Obamacare shouldn't be aloud to get treated quickly. Especially for those who come across the border to get treatment.
and the largest number of welfare rate to run the cost up…..thats the 30,000,000 that hussein says will be covered,,,,10% of the U.S. population, thats 3 trillion dollars for 30,000,00 welfare rats= 6,666,000 each……oh yeah we bes hav'n the best care…..
This is the great thing about socialized medicine — you ALWAYS get to pay for it and when you need it — its not there.
If you'd been paying attention you'd know that those are the concerns everyone has. Accepting a Euro-Canadian model, which this congress tried to force us into, is not the answer.
And you don't need to take God's name in vain just to insult me.
I've got an idea:
Let's dismantle the WHOLE system so we can include a small number who "truly" do not have access to our current system. Good idea?
That's what the public option and all those "snuck in" items were leading to…
millions don't have access to it
Another lie is there anything you are truthful about?
Cost is high, yes.
Everyone has access to it. If someone goes to the ER, they have to be treated. Its the law. Whether or not they can pay for it is another story.
Then tell those millions to get a job and buy some insurance, crap for brains. Are you so stupid not to realize that if we turn our system into what Canada has, you're not only going to have to wait forever….you still are NOT going to get the best care! Stop calling everyone stupid, get a job and get off my taxpaying back, loser.
"The problem is the socialized system of Health Care that makes it so inefficent."
Canada doesn't have socialized medicine.
And you are a moron.
Newfoundland's Premier Danny Williams must be confused. Maybe he got on the wrong airplane. According to Michael Moore the best healthcare in the world is in socialist Cuba. I'm sure that's where Mr. Williams meant to go.
"And if it's simply a matter of population density, wouldn't he stand a better chance finding a skilled surgeon in say China? India?"
Let's see. One country borders Canada and the other two are on the other side of the world. Which one to choose?
Good God, the stupidity here is breathtaking.
Canada has a single payer system. That is where everyone goes to the doctor, and then the government picks up the tab.
Here is the definition of socialized medicine:
socialized medicine
–noun
any of various systems to provide the entire population with complete medical care through government subsidization and regularization of medical and health services.
"Uh..yes they do."
No they don't. You don't even know what socialized medicine is and you are a moron.
There are 2.2 physicians for every 1000 people in Canada.
There are 2.4 physicians for every 1000 people here in the U.S.
What, are you some kind of anti-Canadian extremist, who believes in the inherent deficiency of Canadian surgeons?
I think he does. Insults are the refuge of the dense.
What do you expect him to do? Make a cogent argument, or something? Not likely.
You're not that bright, are you?
I must disagree. He could be the one to go home and straighten their crappy system out so we will have a place to go after Obama, Reid, and Pelosi screw our healthcare up,
Here you go, Obamao. Here's your opportunity to TAX CANADIANS for your health care "reform". You've taxed everything else.
Yeah, the US has socialized medicine.. its called medicare and medicaid, dipshit.
We also have another socialized entitlement program… its called Social Security..
Oh, and big surprise!! They're all BANKRUPT because they're monumentally inefficient. That's what happens when the government runs stuff.
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Obama's out of money, he and the Democrats need a new cash cow and that's why they want Obamacare so badly. The only way to save money in the budget is to cut spending, but Democrats have too many votes to buy to be doing that.
Obamacare will take care of that problem. They will collect train cars of money for "healthcare" and then spend it where ever they need it. And if they run low on money for healtcare serveres, they will just raise taxes or force healtcare workers to take lower wages or BOTH.
WellPoint, which provides health coverage for about 35 million people nationwide, announced the program that would provide coverage for group members to travel to India for certain nonemergency procedures, such as major joint replacement and upper and lower back fusion.
WellPoint joins a limited list of U.S. health insurers offering medical tourism benefits. Blue Cross and Blue Shield of South Carolina, which is not part of WellPoint, offer overseas care through Companion Global Healthcare.
WellPoint often touts that it is part of the United States' advanced and innovative health-care system. But now the company finds itself looking to export certain care overseas in a search for cost savings.
Where will they all go when we go down the Obama drain?
Racist!!!!!
Mediare and Medicaid aren't bankrupt you flippin moron.
And here I thought the teabagggers supported Medicare.
Remember the town halls? "Keep your government hands off my Medicare"
Hello jharp (aka mental midget), Canada HAS socialized health care. Just because we aren't as bad as the UK doesn't mean we are far behind (and yes I AM CANADIAN who has had to deal with the health care system here). So grow up and start articulating in a grown up manner.
Mexico ?
Yeah, and Americans routinely go to other countries for certain treatments. What's the big deal? If you've got the money, you go to the best in the world wherever that may be.
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Destination: Cleveland Clinic
"Mediare and Medicaid aren't bankrupt you flippin moron. "
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Here you go, buddy. Bottom of the screen, under "unfunded liabilities".
As you can see, our liabilities are more than all of our assets. In other words, we're broke, bud.
I see that you're quite good at calling people 'stupid' and "moron", but have you ever considered that you're projecting? Your bullshit arguments have been thoroughly destroyed on this site. I think its time to pack it in, bub.
yeah maybe you and your boyfriend might go to amsterdam for a sex change but other than that YOUR COMPLETELY WRONG.
Ax, you may have missed the memo. All healthcare workers will be required to join the SEIU, so one thing's for sure, their wages won't be lowered. Taxes will be raised and like all the other government give-aways, money will be moved around to where it's needed to buy votes.
ROFL!!! Couldn't have said it better myself.
By jharp's reasoning Mexico has more surgeons than say, drug dealers?
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"As you can see, our liabilities are more than all of our assets. In other words, we're broke"
You are an unrivaled moron. We are not broke. The last I checked we were still the greatest country in the world.
In spite of George Bush and the republicans leading into a depression.
And unfunded expense, take the Iraq War for example, can be paid for with one small piece of legislation.
God you people are stupid.
The bottom line is they don't care about average people. They only want to control every aspect of their lives. The few people in power, Presidents, Governers, Congressmen, Premiers, Prime Ministers they have been exempt from all the laws. It's time that they be held accountable.
That's capital 'S' if you don't mind.
And yes you are right, you did not have to reassure us that Canada has qualified surgeons.
The bottom line is it not the people, it is the system.
If anything like the travesty lefties want to foist on us passes congress, I predict there will be off shore clinics providing services much closer to us than India. Cuba comes to mind as logical place. It wouldn't take much to topple the geriatric Castro's and with an influx of money, Cuba, only 90 miles from Key West, could be a paradise of good cheap health care.
It'll take more than this bunch of thugs to force a free people with options to their will.
JPA – The problem is that the health care system in Canada is not very good because of the socialist government run system.
You just love getting your ass beat don't you jharp.
Is this like something kinky with you?
Please think before you hit the "submit comment" button.
"I predict there will be off shore clinics providing services much closer to us than India"
There already are, doofus.
Try Mexico.
Are you really that uninformed and ignorant?
Come on!!! why Chicago.
good thinking, we may the ones to have to cross the border for our health care
It's hilarious that you continue to embarrass yourself.
First, Canada's population is approximately 33.5 million.
Secondly, your reasoning (I use the term loosely) is ridiculous. Of course, simply by virtue of our population, we will have more doctors. Better to look at per capita, and that goes for technology too.
The US has more cardiac catheterization and open heart surgery units per capita. More procedures such as heart by-pass, angioplasty, etc., are performed per capita in the US than Canada. Perhaps that's why more men per capita die of heart attacks in Canada than the US.
Furthermore, Canada is an advanced industrialized country. Canada is a wealthy country. There's no reason why they shouldn't have some of the most skilled surgeons in the world (I'm not saying they don't).
You're the birdbrain.
Canadians do not speak Spanish, so he opted for this option .
Sri Lanka…I hear the Buddhists are pretty good healers.
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"You have been disproved on everyone of your vapid thoughts"
Do you mean pointing out that Canada does not have socialized medicine?
Or that U.S. health insurers are outsourcing hip replacements to India?
Or that the United States isn't "broke"?
I like poking you ignorant teabaggers. Sure. I'll continue to post.
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"No one is criticizing the quality of care in the U.S. you morons."
Obama, Pelosi et al seem to indicate that the quality is lacking as is the affordability and access. Unfortunately, all of their proposals do absolutely nothing to improve those health care issues, and everything to make them much worse.
the stupidity follows where you travel-it's part of you
jharp and the sun doesn't have heat–could you be dumber?
Tort reform would bring costs down.
Democrats are opposed to tort reform.
Therefore, Democrats are opposed to bringing costs down.
It's like wrecking the entire house because you don't care for the living room windows.
jerk wad, are you in remedial reading in middle school?
I knew the in-home healthcare people were to be unionized but I didn't know all doctors and nurses were to be unionized as well. Holy cats… the last thing I want to visit is a "union doctor."
ok… ill type slow, so maybe you can understand.
unfunded liabilities = stuff we have to pay for
assets = stuff we have that is worth value
if you have more bills to pay than you have money/things of value to pay with, YOU'RE BROKE.
You can legislate all you want, but you can't make your assets worth more than they currently are worth, just by virtue of passing a piece of legislation. You are living in a dream world, my friend.
what's your definition of socialized medicine?
is single payer a socialized medical system?
what's your definition of socialized medicine?
is single payer a socialized medical system?
You just gave the reason. Best in the world, so he comes to the US. Why, if we have the best in the world, would we want Universal Healthcare and end up with the Canadian equivelent? Where would we go then, or Canadians for that matter?
Yes I do asshole. I have been to Europe and still have family there. Moron. Get a clue and travel and experience it for yourself. socialized medicine sucks!
What are the top five conditions that Americans "routinely" go to other countries to get treatment for and which countries are those? (If you mention sex-change reassignments in Thailand, everyone will mock you for not being serious.)
They're not going to be allowed to screw it up. If they sneak it through, there will be no end to the Constitutionality lawsuits.
Hey dickwad, my dad is on medicare and doctors are turning away patients (medicare) because doctors are not being paid! That's right Moron, the government is not paying because they are broke!! Now he goes to VA (and he should he served 20 years in the Navy). Get your head out of Obama's and Andy Stern's ass; and do a little research on the topic instead of trolling around here like a stupid little bitch you are.
Proving your a moron with every key stroke jharp. So does china have better health care or doctors because theirs over a billion of them? truely a liberal moron. But don't woory liberalism is dying, you can change the name to progressive but that just makes it worse. PROGRESSIVES SUCK
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"is single payer a socialized medical system?"
No. It couldn't be more clear. Socialized medicine here in the U.S. would be the VA. Or over the pond it would be the U.K.
Socilaized medicine is when the doctors nurses and technicians are governmnet employees.
With Medicare all of the work is DONE BY PRIVATE INDIVIDUALS OR COMPANIES. Thus it is not socialized medicine.
Got it?
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It would seem not 1 person agrees with you. I guess their all wrong then. Truely the most moronic staement I've ever heard and I've heard obelman speak., he does come close but you jharp you win hands down. can you make some more comments I need a good laugh
"if you have more bills to pay than you have money/things of value to pay with, YOU'RE BROKE."
And you are an idiot.
One example. A recent college graduate whose student loans far exceed their assets.
God, you people are stupid.
Canada also has lower infant mortality rates and higher life expectancy.
And they spend 1/3 PER CAPITA of what we spend.
yeah we all have the same opinion. Isn't that the liberal way if you don't share the same opinion we shun you and make you an outcast like Joe lieberman and his wife. LIBERALS ARE CUT THROAT CANNIBALS WHO EAT THEIR YOUNG.
keep foreigners out of our hospitals, support Obamacare so no one want to come here for medical care
You forgot quality of life! Yes, those months and years waiting to see a specialist and maybe getting surgery for things such as hip replacements, knee replacements, etc., really add to the quality of life. Our health care system in the province I live in is approximately 45% of our total provincial budget and there are more cuts to service along the way. So we spend 1/3 per capita of what you spend, you get what you pay for (taxpayers that is) and we get crappy service. Out system will implode in the next decade if things don't change. You do NOT want how we do health care here. You're nuts if you do.
Funny how liberals always make sure to take care of themselves while telling everyone else to sacrifice or to just accept death…notice how the Candadian Premier refuses to say who or how this was paid for…He and others like him made it ILLEGAL to pay for your own healthcare in Canada (shitty healthcare in Canada too BTW, a stray cat gets better care at a vet in the US) second just like Obama and the Democrats here: the politicians everywhere punish and torment the citizens and then make them pay for their extra special healthcare, nice but typical. I hope this greay F*ck dies on the table like he deserves because he votes to keep his countrymen from getting even basic care but makes damn sure they pay for him to come here to get the operation, news flash jerk WE DON"T WANT YOU HERE EITHER.
He knows he had better hurry up and do it before the jerks on the hill turn our health care system into what he has
FYI
We geezers pay for Medicare and we pay for the our supplemental insurance and we pay for the vaunted Part D Drug Plan and we also pay a flat sum per prescription and if our drug bill goes over the prescribed amount, we continue to pay the monthly premiums, but we get to pay the full price of the drugs as well with no contribution from the plan.
So thanks to all creeping socialism already in effect, my husband and I paid well over $12,000 for our health care in 2009 and that included NO major illnesses, operations or procedures, nor did it include dentistry, eye refraction or eye glasses.
We would be a lot better off paying our own bills and buying a catastrophic illness insurance plan. However, our betters took that option off the table when they enacted Medicare making it illegal for an insurance company to provide medical insurance to those eligible for Medicare.
Most of the Medicare money collected goes to administrative costs. All the doctors we see are making far less money than previously and in March they'll be getting a 20% cut. Many will opt out of accepting Medicare raising our costs even higher.
Putting more power into the hands of bureaucrats and politicians will certainly never lower our costs and will certainly destroy the best medical system the world has ever seen.
Those of us with options will find a way to seek good care. Those who are at the mercy of the government will have to live with what they given.
It's like wanting a hamburger with extra pickles and getting a pizza instead.
You do NOT want how we do health care here (Canada)
And just who is proposing a system like Canada has? Tell me that.
The ignorance and the stupid continues.
So why not just provide the all agreed upon quality health care to those who do not have it by simply expanding Medicaid or provide some form of insurance vouchers for them.
If they are looking for affordability, why do we have to start paying for it 3 years before it becomes accessible.
I certainly hope you do not think this is what Pelosi, Obama, Reid, etal have been trying to create with these recent secret meetings.
If so, the term MORON does indeed belong in this conversation.
"It would seem not 1 person agrees with you. I guess their all wrong then"
If you mean not 1 person here that is most likely correct.
And just what would one expect on a a blog populated with ignorant teabaggers? Yes, thay are all wrong, hopelessly uninformed, and dumber than a sack of hammers.
The educated folks, on the other hand, mostly agree with my positions.
"Everyone has access to it. If someone goes to the ER, they have to be treated. Its the law."
Can't one of you be right just once. Yes ER's must treat everyone. That is not the issue.
Chronic care, on the other hand, gets denied every day.
God you people are sytupid.
You might want to tell that to some of the Democrat politicians that. Don't know the names of them as they are not as well know up here as others.
"Most of the Medicare money collected goes to administrative costs."
Flat out false. You are a liar.
And a moron.
jharp is living up to his name…Just "harping" away all kinds
of screwed up talking points…..
Golly Gee Whiz, ya mean they been touting Canadian Healthcare
and it doesn't work too well for those who can afford to come to
the states? Who would have ever thought it?…lol…
jharp should shove his ideas where the sun don't shine!!
Your the ONLY ONE on this blog that knows anything about
teabags, you ignorant jerk…Grow up, and come back when
you can act like an adult….And, your'e dumber then a sack of
sh*t…..Don't bother replying because I won't respond to an
ignoramous!! Go back to your blog where you can discuss
your favorite sport…teabagging!!
Its over simplistic to state that Canadian health care stinks simply by talking about access to experts. Even if the care were completely equivalent, which is hard to compare given the differences, the US has 10 times the population and as a result roughly ten times the experts. With California having more people in one state than Canada has in the whole country, and this politician coming from a province of 500,000, there is little chance that he would have such an expert in province or in country. Were comparisons made regarding number of experts per number of people, that would be a fair comparison.
I'll try to post this again;
Yes! Tort reform has been the single most important thing since I can remember but most of the Dems are trial lawyers themselves. That wall must be busted down by us. Dems always block any attempt to allow US to buy insurance across state lines, also. Dems always block any chance at real Medicare reform and CMS setting Dr. rates of pay is the biggest contributing factor to higher costs. Let's not forget the bloated HMO bureaucracies and COBRA (Kennedy's babies) which G.H.W.Bush warned about in the debates with Clinton.
We're dealing with a generation of children shouting "gimme" who don't remember the time when a serious illness didn't break the family and 20somethings could care less about insurance because cost wasn't a big deal. They're looking to the cause of the problem for the solution.
They were also working on trying to get more healthcare
workers into SEIU…..
"The educated folks, on the other hand, mostly agree with my positions."
Yeah, bent over kissing your ass goodbye, on your knees, head over the toilet, head in the toilet…..sorry, I couldn't resist.
He should hurry and get the procedure before the whole US system gets trashed.
Maybe after he gets the world's best healthcare, he'll go
back to Newfoundland and try to duplicate what he found
here………
"Yes! Tort reform has been the single most important thing"
Good God you people are hopelessly ignorant.
Malpractice accounts for about 1% of health care costs.
Though it saddens me that so many are so ignorant I truly am grateful that it makes it so easy to succeed it business with retards like the teabaggers as competition.
Gee, and I thought the Canadian Model was the be-all/ end all in medical care. LOL.
It's hilarious that you continue to embarrass yourself.
Life expectancy? Listen, I know you're mind-numbingly stupid, but it still surprises me that you talk about life expectancy in relation to health care. People die for a variety of reasons unrelated to health care (DUH!) such as auto accidents (high in US), homicide (High in US), self-inflicted obesity (high in US) leading to numerous health problems, etc. When you remove deaths unrelated to health care, the US is at the top.
Infant mortality rates are also complicated. High teen pregnancy rates; teens are less likely to follow proper pre-natal care, regardless of access to health care. Teens have lower weight babies, another problem tied to infant mortality. Advancement in infertility treatments, leading to multiple births, preemies, and more deaths. There are cultural issues as well.
That you so simplistically tie these two issues with health care shows your profound ignorance.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
I don't know why I'm trying, but here goes:
Since you failed to address any other point in my post let's deal with the question of torts.
The 1% figure you trying to use was used by Dems during the recent deliberations over H.R.3200 (which was carried on C-Span). What was revealed as I watched was that this number was pulled from a study conducted in 1981. Not exactly what I'd call honesty and not a reliable source. In TX, Tort reform was necessary. You see, it differs by state. Too many Drs. weren't able to stay afloat. I lost my cardiologist because he couldn't afford the ever rising malpractice insurance. Our family Dr. left to do missionary work in Africa. I could give you a mountain of examples but I doubt you're at a point in your life where you're willing to be honest, even with yourself.
Good day.
This article speaks to the health care debate more than anything else I've read thus far. Nothing more needs to be said.
I agree with Ben Adams: The title says it all!
I think its spelled Obama.
haha i think its an* not and.
If it comes down to you hurling insults, you lost.
You are not a smart person, but it's kinda cute you are trying to act it.
No No No No….. you're making way too much of this. His doctor insisted he relax before the procedure and he likes to relax by traveling. Nothing more. Canadiens have much better health care than we do and it's free!
Free I tell you.
Free!
Free!
Free!
and that recent college graduate would be broke as a joke. If you have more expenses than you have income, you're broke. how is that so hard for you to understand? its a pretty basic concept.
i guess you haven't quite grasped the concept of debt.
hmmmm.
Well, if the government is paying the doctors nurses and technicians, how then would you define the relationship between the government and those doctors nurses and technicians? Last time I checked, when someone pays you for doing a job, the person doing the paying is your employer.
sorry to disappoint you, but socialized medicine is when someone other than you is paying for your medical care. period.
"Can't one of you be right just once. Yes ER's must treat everyone."
Well, you agreed with something i said, so apparently that makes at least one of us right at least once…..
ever considered the possibility that you're the "sytupid" one.
Following your warped logic, you indicate surgeons who can perform this specific surgery are one in (at least)25,000,001??????? So are you suggesting the U.S send one qualified surgeon to Canada?????? Your statement exposes your limited intellect.
bullseye
Thanks for the testimony Marko. A lot of us understand the fundamental flaw with the idea it's just that we handed too much power to one party and they whipped up this half baked bill and tried to serve it up.
Big deal. It's less than a day's travel for bigwig Canuck with money.
Ummm, Americans don't leave the United States to get the BEST healthcare, no no no no no. Americans leave the United States to obtain treatments that are CHEAPEST. That's a fair distinction to make and it's a dramatic difference than what you tried to assert.
"Cost savings". That's what y'all always use as an excuse.
Where ya gonna go if our legislators screw up our system too?
You screwed up your health care, you deal with it.
"Meh. I'm jharp and I like to call people 'morons'! I don't back up my statements with reasoned arguments 'cause I don't know how! Wah! My bum is dirty, and I'm going to the US for diaper rash treatment 'cause I only get pine tar put on me in Canadia. Wah!"
Yeah, and Amtrak is the model for railroad systems everywhere!
(snort!)
LOL! ROTFLMAO!
That's pretty harsh, but he's your guy. I hope he gets what he needs and FFS I hope he pays his own tab. Ours are the same though, they tried to stuff this turd bill down our throat all the while they have the type of top shelf coverage we all should have. Then they had the nerve to exempt themselves and select others from the bill. THEN they had the nerve to tax expensive "rich people" coverage plans. Turns out their own plans, and those of their union buddies plans were in fact "rich people" coverage plans. So what did they do? They exempted themselves and their buddies from the tax on "rich people" plans and left the rest of us out in the cold, with crappy health care, and we have the honor of not only footing the bill, but a disproportionate amount of the bill to boot.
I have to stop now or I'll break out in uncontrollable expletives. >.<
Then why are Canadian mothers with preemies shipped to the US?
Oh, outdated BASIC EQUIPMENT!!!
And union members wouldn't pay premiums! Everyone else would take up the slack!
NO thank you.
Some people actually CHOOSE not to buy health insurance.
Aren't you "pro-choice"?
Whatever. Malpractice insurance PLUS medical school bills PLUS higher costs for equipment means the doctors' profits are small to begin with and get smaller and smaller.
Your talking points stink.
When Farrah Fawcett wanted cancer treatment where did she go? Germany. Not because it was "more free marketer" or whatever you people believe but simply because they had the best in the procedure she needed
You keep calling out to and entity you have no belief in and we are stupid?
If people can't afford health care, they probably don't deserve it.
No one is criticizing the quality of care in the U.S. you morons.
It's the cost and the fact that millions don't have access to it.
God are you people stupid.
Uh..yes they do.
socialized medicine
–noun
any of various systems to provide the entire population with complete medical care through government subsidization and regularization of medical and health services.
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Who'd a thought. The United States has socialized medicine?
God you people are stupid.
Now look at the system in the U.K. That, mental midgets, is socialized medicine.
Pay no attention to jharp, he was involved in a terrible accident in the 57th state. As a village idiot, he was climbing up on a wall to do some afternoon wall sitting. But as is the norm in the 57th state there were lesser idiots already perched on the wall, they were all chewing on straw and swinging there little legs in the sunlight, when…suddenly…the wall collapsed! jharp bumped his head, and got his slobber cup stuck in his ear…don’t ask! Well, they have socialized medicine in the 57th state, and he has been at the clinic ever since, and needless to say…he’s a little grumpy…poor jharp.
You are the biggest idiot yet to post on this site. You have been disproved on everyone of your vapid thoughts and yet you continue to open your pie hole and provide entertainment. Please post some more so we can keep the chuckles up.
I would really like to see the look on Michael Moore's face when he sees this. Especially how he said our health care system was so wonderful…LOL!
to jharp
The reason Canada has a lower infant mortality rate is how certain factors are reported not based on the health care system. In fact, the main factors affecting early infant survival are birth weight and prematurity. The way that these factors are reported — and how such babies are treated statistically — tells a different story than what the numbers reveal.According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child.But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies — considered “unsalvageable” outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive — is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics Some of the countries reporting infant mortality rates lower than the U.S. classify babies as “stillborn” if they survive less than 24 hours whether or not such babies breathe, move, or have a beating heart at birth.
Also forty percent of all infant deaths occur in the first 24 hours of life.In the United States, all infants who show signs of life at birth (take a breath, move voluntarily, have a heartbeat) are considered alive.If a child in Hong Kong or Japan is born alive but dies within the first 24 hours of birth, he or she is reported as a “miscarriage” and does not affect the country’s reported infant mortality rates.
In Switzerland and other parts of Europe, a baby born who is less than 30 centimeters long is not counted as a live birth. Therefore, unlike in the U.S., such high-risk infants cannot affect Swiss infant mortality rates.
Efforts to salvage these tiny babies reflect this classification. Since 2000, 42 of the world’s 52 surviving babies weighing less than 400g were born in the United States.
To quote Mark Twain"Figures don't lie, but liars figure,"
Too bad you were not born in Canada and weighed .9 lbs. You would have been thrown away and not counted and we would all be better off.
Looks like jharp has contaminated this thread also
with his rantings…He's probrably one of the losers
that depends on Government handouts…I say help
those that truly need help, but we have too many
that depend on the citizens to support them in
every way!
Try to pay attention to reality. You'll be sorely surprised 20 – 30 years from now when Soros' offspring are spouting revised history and 'fiddling' with the numbers.
Are we learning yet, America? Nationalized health care doesn't work.
Ignore this troll and maybe he will go away. He is a complete bore.
The fact is in socialized health care countries the people who get the best treatment have purchased supplemental PRIVATE Insurance.
So, we in the US which has a private insurance based health care model are seriously talking about changing that to a PUBLIC insurance model where in ten years when everyone is sick of the Public model will then be purchasing supplemental Private insurance to get even decent medical care—that's called going full circle and spending trillions in the process.
ARE WE THAT STUPID?? lmao…
jharp
Jackass
Has
A
Recurring
Problem
It's called profound ignorance. You should probably quit tripping over it.
Man, you jharps' are stupid jack-asses.
Why didn't he go to Cuba where they have the best health care in the world…and it's free.
The "infant mortality rate" is the talking point tell here. Comparing infant mortality rates in the developed world has very little to do with the quality of care and very much to do with other factors including the socioeconomic factors of who gets pregnant, the heroic efforts taken to save very premature infants, and the way infant mortality is counted (are premature infants who die shortly after birth counted or not?). And of course Canada (and other countries) spend less per capita than the United States because they get to enjoy the benefits subsidized by America's spending but skip out on paying for it through price controls. Being a parasite is a good deal until the host dies.
I fear, not much longer! Forget it, our government gives other country's corrupt politicians status too! Don't you wish that 'We the People" had the medical-care given to our politicians? Not to mention all the "tax money" that they have "stolen" from us to the like's of Saddam Hussein! Wake-up America!!! Only another revolution can stop this "evolution" into Marxism!
Is it too late???
The Canadian Health care system may not be perfect but it's certainly better than the US. Bottom line, Canadians live longer than Americans. Enough said
Many Americans are simply paranoid. Branding Pres Obama a communist is laughable and is a good example of your paranoia. Stating that we have a Socialist government just shows your lack of knowledge of Canada. Stick to topics that you know something about.
Its easier to get to Boston or NY than Toronto from "Newfie". I've been there– its a beautiful place, but not where you want major surgery….
According to CIA 2009 data, life expectancy in Canada 81.23 years, 8th in the world. Life expectancy in the USA is 78.11 years, good for 50th in the world and well behind the likes of Bosnia and Albania. Why do you think that is?
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