Lawyer: Phone Scheme Meant to Embarrass Senator
by PubliusFrom the Associated Press:
NEW ORLEANS (AP) – Four conservative activists accused of trying to tamper with a senator’s phones were just trying to record embarrassing undercover video of her staff ignoring phone calls from constituents angry that she supported health care reform, one of their attorneys said Thurday.
The four, including activist James O’Keefe, known for posing as a pimp and using a hidden camera to target the community-organizing group ACORN, were arrested Monday after targeting Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu’s office in a New Orleans federal building.
Attorney J. Garrison Jordan denied they were trying to disable or wiretap the phones in Landrieu’s office.
“You’re dealing with kids,” he said. “I don’t think they thought it through that far.”
Instead, Jordan said, they hoped to get embarrassing video footage of Landrieu’s staff handling constituent calls. Her office received complaints last month that callers opposed to her health care stance couldn’t get through.
Landrieu was not impressed with Jordan’s explanation.
“Attorneys are hired to spin for their clients,” she said Thursday in an interview in Washington. “Good luck.”
Protesters marched in front of Landrieu’s office in Baton Rouge in December to criticize her support for Senate health care legislation and complain that they couldn’t get through on her office phones. Landrieu said at the time that her office received a high volume of calls.
“Our lines have been jammed for weeks, and I apologize,” Landrieu said in interview with The Advocate of Baton Rouge in December.
Jordan said his client, Robert Flanagan, the 24-year-old son of a federal prosecutor in Louisiana, did not intend to break the law when he went into the office posing as a telephone worker.
No matter their intentions, the four face the serious charge of entering federal property under false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony, which carries up to 10 years in prison. They are free on $10,000 bail.
Investigators are aware of Jordan’s explanation, but are pressing ahead to see if that was indeed the men’s motive, a senior federal law enforcement official said Thursday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing.
Charged along with O’Keefe and Flanagan were Joseph Basel, 24, of Minnesota and Stan Dai, 24, of the Washington, D.C., area. The four are due back in court Feb. 12.
O’Keefe, Basel and Dai stayed with Benjamin Wetmore, a friend of O’Keefe’s, while they were in New Orleans. Wetmore, a 28-year-old law school student, was O’Keefe’s boss when he worked at the Leadership Institute, an Arlington, Va.-based program that trains conservative activists.
Wetmore declined to discuss their stay at his house and what they did while there. But he praised O’Keefe’s work targeting ACORN on his Web site and said he hired O’Keefe in 2006, helping him hone his undercover camera craft.
In an Oct. 16 blog post, Wetmore criticized the Leadership Institute, where he no longer works, for not supporting O’Keefe’s budding activism. Wetmore said he was “nearly fired for buying the initial video equipment that James used.”
O’Keefe last year became famous for his videos about ACORN, the Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now, which has affiliates that register voters in urban and other poor areas of the country. He used a hidden camera to record as he brought a young woman posing as a prostitute to the group’s offices.
Hale Boggs Federal Building in New Orleans
In Monday’s incident, authorities said O’Keefe used his cell phone to try to capture video of two of his fellow defendants in Landrieu’s office before their arrest. The two posed as telephone repairmen—wearing fluorescent vests, tool belts and hard hats, one equipped with a hidden camera—and asked to see the phones at Landrieu’s office. The fourth is alleged to have waited outside in a car with a listening device that could pick up transmissions.
O’Keefe has declined to discuss what he and the others were doing in Landrieu’s office. But late Wednesday he told his Twitter followers that the government “concedes no attempt to wiretap.”
Andrew Breitbart, whose biggovernment.com site launched O’Keefe’s ACORN videos and who has since hired O’Keefe as a contributor, also downplayed the federal case.
“Their uniforms were outlandish,” Breitbart said in an interview. “This was like ‘Hee Haw,’ a blatant clown-nose-on spectacle to make a salient political yet mildly humorous point.”
O’Keefe hinted last week that he had a new, high-profile stunt in the works. Four days before he was charged in connection with the Landrieu incident, he promised his audience at a conservative think tank’s luncheon they would be hearing about a project he was working on in New Orleans.
He wouldn’t elaborate, according to people who heard his speech at the Pelican Institute’s event last Thursday in New Orleans.
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Associated Press Writers Justin Pritchard in New Orleans and Ben Evans and Pete Yost in Washington contributed to this report.
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Sen. Mary Landrieu’s official site: http://www.landrieu.senate.gov
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I don't know if that all makes sense to me. What would be the point of going into that office like that? I sure hope this isn't all there is to it. It's not news that these representatives ignore our calls, everyone knows this.
O’Keefe, most likely would have gotten some great footage if the scheme had been able to play out.
The down side is they got caught and are facing fines and possible jail time.
I hope it was worth it. I can't wait to see the video.
Good one. Very funny.
Commit a felony punishable with 10 years to embarrass Senator Landrieu. Very creative journalism.
You guys have got to be on dope.
O’Keefe's a smart kid, I don't think for one minute he would have plotted any kind of scheme that would have broke the law.
Attorney J. Garrison Jordan denied they were trying to disable or wiretap the phones in Landrieu’s office.
“You’re dealing with kids,” he said. “I don’t think they thought it through that far.”
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Is O'Keefe's lawyer also joking? "dealing with kids"?
O'Keefe is 25 years old for God's sake!
You do have a point Harry. While we all believe that "we the people" are largely ignored by those who we sent to represent us, and, we have tolerated their shenanigans for far too long, this practice is now over. We don't trust any of them, (career politicians), and, we do know what our recourse must be. This november, they too will know!
When its proven they didn't try to tap the phones, watch the MSM stop talking about it and never report the truth!
An indictment fron the 'crack' senator from Louisiana, Mary Landrieu, known for holding out for the really big money. At least with a hooker you get laid. With her you only get screwed.
HarryT – It’s not news that Mary doesn’t answer angry calls anymore than it’s news ACORN is a sham organization. Catching it on tape just makes it stand out a little more. I find it telling that black guys holding billyclubs can intimidate voters, and their convictions are forgotten by Holder, but these guys pulling a prank will be persecuted by the Libs and the press. YES – I understand about security in a Senator’s office. I also understand voter rights and intimidation. Just looking for a fair playing field.
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As far as the incident with James, he's well aware of what he's doing and has the balls to do it, good for him. This young man is doing what is supposed to be done by all the goons who sit behind a microphone and babel about "this or that" instead of uncovering the greatest scandal ever portrayed against the United States. Richard Nixon pales by comparison.
What's even more sad is that Obama will never be made to account for what he's done to America, there's simply too many people he can blame.
He did though, so what you think is irrelevant.
10 years for a prank? Unlikely. What will the prosecutor offer? And how big of a lib will the judge be? How much media spotlight do all parties involved want in an election year?… Stay tuned to the BIG sites for details.
Well, 10 years for a felony prank, yes. Or are you saying that you should be able to enter any Senator's office under false pretenses as long as you are "only" committing a prank?
I'm pretty sure Mary Landrieu entered that facility under false pretenses.
The MSM, Bertha Lewis and anyone else jumping to conclusions on this event needs to be silenced ASAP. Whatever O'keefe has and more than likely has shared with Breitbart needs to be released immediately. This is not one you can put out every few weeks. The fringe is looking to hang anyone in opposition after the embarrassment of the ACCORN videos with due process. The longer the rest of us go in the dark on this issue the more power fringe will have, where future expos'es like ACORN videos will never see the light of day.
My signature comment is screaming at those involved do not play by the rules release whatever you have before this thing gets buried and everyone involved or related comes off as conspiracists etc and illegitimate!
Your playing their game… STOP and play your game through Saving the Republic
So true….he will have his secret service men all his life along with his pension for doing nothing but destroying our constitution. Constitutional Lawyer my a$$~
I'd say the senator in question should be charged with the same crime. She is there on "false pretenses" too.
Are senators supposed to represent the people? Well, the majority of people think government run health care, bailouts for companies "too big to fail" and a government run auto company are truly bad ideas. And yet, she ignores the people completely and votes for this crap.
She isn't representing anybody but herself, and her own political career. Throw away the key.
O'Keefe is smart. He would take and keep a video of a crime. I suspect the lawer is making a statement based on the video and not Landreths claim It is my understanding what ever she says is false since she was out of the office.
She also entered as a prank "Joke".
Landreiu was in Washington
"Her lines have been jammed for weeks". There is no such thing and a jammed electrical line. It is a lie. Plumbing can be jammed but wire can't be. The circuit is connected or it isn't. A busy signal is not a jammed line. If they are taking lines off the hook, that is easy to test.
These guys will not do any time or pay any fines. The Feds have already ruled out wiretapping "the felony". It's obvious what they were doing. They were planning on embarassing this idiot politician. However, I think they really need to concult with mature and experienced individuals in the intel and law enforcement community before their next sting. I'd advise them for free and fun!
I don't see the humor in this incident. The best way to loose average Americans is to use tactics outside the law. A better approach is honesty at this point. These men, are not kids and "a blatant clown-nose-on spectacle to make a salient political yet mildly humorous point" was not what they were doing. Tell the truth and take your lumps "boys".
Even though I disagree with his tactics, Scott Roeder, the man who killed the abortion doctor was honest. So he did not add being a liar to murdering the doctor.
Stop the progressives, save the republic. That is all that matters.
I must disagree, if you picked ten random people and ask them about Acorn (especially prior to the pimp tapes) I bet you would be lucky to get 3 who even know what Acorn is. If you ask the same people if their congressmen is likely to listen to them I would expect the common answer to be 'of course not'. That's what I meant.
What are you saying Benn? Since when is it against Federal law to enter an office under false pretenses? Federal law? Seriously? Trespassing… maybe. Intent is/was in their minds. Intent to wire-tap? REally? Have you watched so much TV CSI shows to think that any untrained kid , with access to a phone service closet, set up a wire tap? REally? It's that easy?
This is a political pony-show. These young men will be vindicated and Landreu will be shown to be the political flak that she is. She's toast next time she's up. It's funny, when the right does something to show up the powerful leftard politicians or their flacky vote-machine sham fronts, the left and press (same) get all wee-weed up. When the leftards do it, well then, that's patriotic dissent and well… lets write a book and a movie and even say give them a peace prize! P A T H E T I C !
If O'Keefe gets convicted of a felony he will qualify to become one of NO-Bamas czars !
Just kidding….
I support you young guys 100 %
that is if they actually got video and the FBI doesn't have it and hasn't already erased it….
Yeah, and at 25, our congress still thinks they are kids and we are paying for their insurance. It is time to decide at what age, adulthood is entered, beginning with those in congress who think it is cute to saddle us with the healthcare of someone 25, who could get a job and buy their own. Keep them dependent on the taxpayers forever!
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10 years? You are joking!
This will be civil disobedience at best pal. Haven't you read your history? A very well celebrated, tried and true method for getting politicians to pay attention to their constituency down here. Certainly you have held that concept in high regard …… or is that only when it suits you?
I, for one, would love to see an attorney dipose the Senator from the Great State of Louisiana and her staff under oath as to the condition of the phones and office procedure regarding the fielding of calls from voters unsympathetic with some of the Senators recent ummmm……… decisions.
That would add a little fire to this election cycle. You think?
Sounds a lot like case dismissed to me!
10 years!! LOL
Come now, how old are you to think that 25 isn't still a kid.
If this gets to court, Landrieu’s office phone records will show the truth of overloaded phones… or lack of truth…
Hey everybody, why was he recording on his cell phone? Doesn't he have better recording equipment? I think there's more to this… I think he wanted to get caught.
Here's hoping taking this bribe will be her waterloo and we will be done with this b**** forever! Congress was never meant to be bought and sold. Been going on too long! Landrieu, Nelson etal., need put out to pasture and charged with taking a bribe and Reid should be charged with giving one. The Founding Fathers would never have approved with the way this congress is trying to put the screws to "we the people and the constitution of the U.S.'
Erasing would be destroying evidence of a possible crime. They might not give the recording back, but they will not erase.
The congresspeople need to be exposed for their wrong doing and I hope James etal., do more of it. Maybe then they will be less brazen in their own wrong doing.
10 years for entering with /intent/ to commit a felony. No intended felony, no felony for entering.
Let's see. The kids were taking pictures on federal property. On the other hand Mary Landrieu is taking bribes on federal property. Which of these will take the most heat?
Naw, that's your deal…
If they went in there to bug the phones, it appears they forgot to bring the bugs.
I tell you what, I'll be concerned and really give a crap about whatever tactics that O'Keefe was using when demoturd swine like Sharpton and his ilk apologize and are contrite and stop using the tactics they use for things like Tawana Brawley and the racist extortion rackets they pull on banks and big business. As far as I'm concerned any leftist whiner that is upset about this can bite me. And as far as you on the right go how about getting rid of the holier than thou garbage, grow a pair and really start fighting dirty because the left is. When are you going to figure out you can't bring a knife to a gun fight?
If this really is their whole plan I'm dissapointed. They could have done something smarter than this.
Landrieu's office is in a government building. Government buildings are owned by "we the people" not any congressperson. Come to think of it, we now own LANDRIEU too, to the tune of $3 million of our taxdollars. I'd say that is a bad investment.
As usual, facts are a one way street.
If being bought for $300 million doesn't embarrass her, nothing will.
Old enough. I was totally on my own at 17, paying all my own bills, rent etc. I'd be ashamed to be depending on someone else and being called a kid at 25.
You are a moron, hadenuf.
The tax payers aren't picking up the tab for 25 year olds' insurance.
On the other hand the Congress also thinks those over 65 are kids too. We pay for their health insurance.
"The MSM, Bertha Lewis and anyone else jumping to conclusions on this event needs to be silenced ASAP. " — Up yours a$$hole!
Here are some of the most notorious conclusion jumping, downright guilty convictions presented by this website and hypocrites just like you. As usual, MM provides links to the original postings in this websites archives so your conclusion jumping about lies cannot be proven by the original lies.
http://mediamatters.org/research/201001270038
Enjoy it as much as we are punk.
Only if he didn't pay his taxes also.
Thank you. I hope you are in for the rest of the evening.
Awww…gonna send them pics of yourself wearing a tu tu?
As sual, facts are a one way street. I love it when you punks get God-smacked for your tabloid sleaze.
They were the bugs. Cockroaches.
Hey, there's a new video coming out showing O'Keefe murdering a convenience store clerk with a chainsaw so he could expose how easy it is for Liberals to shoplift a candy bar. Stay tuned.
My, my, my…
Tempest in a teapot, this is…!
I wonder if they actually found out if the staff was ignoring the phones…what the standard was for answering the phone…how long people were allowed on hold…all that salacious stuff the trolls were spouting on about…
Because all I EVER heard from any of them was how their little Mary was being put upon by the big evil conservatives…although she was probably ..busy selling herself off for some other deal in DC…
They'd have done better having a "sit-in", like the progressive tools did on Liberman back in November, 2009… and I expect if there's any sentence, it had better be in-line with that sort of business, or we can add that to the long list of "statist" equality for all…
Watch it yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA5GOSiZ9Q8
This just in…Senator's staff still is indifferent but with smiles.
Wow mediamatters they arent bias are they….. They tell things right down the line and are nothing like those you accuse. So troll tell us how much do you get paid to post your BS on the net? Who is writing your checks MM, Soros himself, DNC… cmon you a big man calling people names and hiding behind characters ($) to express your views man up and tell all here who pays you to post your progressive propaganda?!
If everything I've read thus far is accurate, I agree that they didn't think it through, I think that they were truthful in their explanation, but I also agree with Landrieu's being unimpressed.
I really don't like them being portrayed as kids though. Many of us had a heck of a lot of adult responsibility that we lived up to much younger than 24-28 so that isn't going to sit real well.
Stand up and defend your actions on their merit, take your lumps when they come and don't look for a crutch when your best laid plans go awry.
And law enforcement, don't be jerks when looking to make a name for yourselves.
The best thing about this entire delightful farce is that there is already no way that O'Keefe comes out of this without looking like a fool; even the most benign interpretation of their behavior is "misguided prank." Not exactly a stellar line on the resume. I agree he and his accomplices are unlikely to do serious time, but whatever "careers" these four may have had in "journalism" are over. Any mention of anything they may attempt to do when they "grow up" will be accompanied by references to this incident. Time to look for a different line of work, boys.
You obviously haven't watched MSNBC lately. If their hosts can have a career in journalism, anyone can.
How can you compare murder with trying to expose a corrupt Senator with a prank that didn't hurt anyone ? You lump your meat, potatoes, salad, dessert into one pot when cooking dinner too?
Thanks for dropping in and puffing up your outrage, nutcase… as I put your freak leftists up for doing the same stuff…
Back to your "tu quoque" arguments already, and it hasn't even been a month…its "all good" for a lefty progressive to be an idiot, but let a conservative do it, and we have your friends passing out the wood, and you're the nails salesman…
When Acorn was exposed, you were on the defensive. Now you're like the rabid dog because the subject of your hate has been arrested so you get ugly and personally attack people. That is the point of our arguments in the general sense that all you Progressives are nasty just like Andy Stern. Thugs. Hoodlums. Debate is impossible, so why don't you take your 85 points and go talk to Arianna Huffington.
I believe there's no law against entering a senator's office under false pretenses unless there is an intent to commit a felony. The prosecution will have to prove that O'Keefe went in to the office intending to tamper with the phones. Failing that, the lefties will have to keep screeching that O'Keefe is guilty until no one cares if he's innocent. Looks like you've got a great start.
That's "gobsmacked" unless you intended to display the usual left wing anti-Christian bigotry.
well, in a way they do not represent the people of a state, originaly they were supposed to represent the state, and were appointed by their governor. one state started opening it up to a election, so eventually they all made their senators elected. but i would say she does not represent either her state or her people. but now it does make sense what they were up to, they were probably just trying to show that either they were blocking all calls, and using unlisted lines to call out, so the little peons can just eat cake.
Have you heard any facts regarding the case yet, besides the fact that O'Keefe was arrested? If so, please share them, because thus far the MSM has only offered speculation disguised as fact.
Mr. O'Keefe, how do you plead?
Gee your honor I really do not how to plead.
I do know I want the same lawyer Charles Rangel had.
I broke into a senator's office and they are talking ten years?
He broke into the country's treasury and look at him, he was on TV last night with our president.
What happened to your cookie?
Well, that's a change of direction for you, isn't it? You'd usually just call them all "racists".
The question is: Why would they bother filming themselves trying to install a wire tap device? You can't convince me they are actually that stupid. Obviously if they were bothering to film something is certainly would not be footage of themselves committing a felony. I don't see how they expect to make the charges stick. I mean really "entering federal property under false pretenses for the purpose of committing a felony"? What felony are they supposed to have been "attempting"? How are you going to prove that's what they intended to do? Because two were pretending to be telephone repair men? They know they wont get the charges to stick and the only reason they are making such a fuss is to draw attention from the very reasons that drew James and his friends there to begin with.
I tried to get through to Senator Landrieu's office near the holidays. I tried several of her offices. The phones went to voice mail.
Well it makes perfect sense the story the Lawyer is giving, one only needs to look at all the ACORN videos that have been released in order to come up with that deduction. But as bad as the clowns onthe left and the progressives (digressives) want this to be "Louisiana Gate" they can keep on dreaming.
Hilarious! I am positive given the history of the videos, the Judge will sentence them to 50 years a piece in LEAVENWORTH. LMAO
"Wow mediamatters they arent bias are they." — Of course they're biased BUT they provide links to the original postings from this website so obviously the sources are verified. Biased yes. Debunked no.
“Attorneys are hired to spin for their clients,” she said Thursday in an interview in Washington.
Senator, how many of your colleagues are attorneys?
Are you saying we are getting spin from our reps?
No, say it isn't so!
Syntax you pop up at any mention of ACORN, why?
Outrage? Are you high? Fun! Payback! Karma! God-smack! Awesome! Cool! Great! What comes around goes around! The farthest thing from outrage imaginable but stay tuned because O"keefe is planning on beating me to death with a baseball bat so he can release an edited, doctored video proving I'm not happy.
I obviously have a more enjoyable avatar.
Ummm, what felony, douchebag? It's only a crime to enter a Federal building using false information if you intend to commit a felony. If they didn't intend to commit one, then there's no crime (and all you Liberal idiots are again proven to be morons). I hope the Daily KOS is going to survive if these guys are let go with no charges filed.
You're a moron, Libtard. The taxpayers are picking up the tab for EVERYONE's insurance. If Obamacare goes through, everyone will be required to have it (except they can just ignore it if they want), and anyone who claims they can't afford it will get Government assistance. I hate to discuss facts with a Liberal, but the Government doesn't actually have any money. They just take ours.
as far as i've been able to determine, they had no actual phone tapping eqpt, tools, expertise, etc. it's going to be tough to make that charge stick with no physical evidence they were even equipped and/or able to do the job they're accused of.
So what you're whining about is you can dish it out but can't dish it back? Don't like what comes around goes around. I don't hate this punk but I do want to see him get what he deserves. This slime could use a good God-smack.
And I am enjoying the ever living hell out of you whiners blatting about facts and due process fo law and presumption of innocence until proven guilty when you foamed at the mouth in tabloid porn frenzy over claiming ACORN of being guilty of sh#t they never even did. Never even were accused of doing. Never even under investigation for doing but in your imaginationland, they were guilty guilty guilty!!!
A couple of low-level dimwits providing tax advice on criminal activity, criminal activity that wasn't even their idea turned a community organization into the largest underage sex trafficking and terrorist organization in the entire Universe and they were committing these crimes with the $593 Trillion worth of tax payer money they were receiving on a daily basis.
Yes, it is not a crime to enter any Senator's office (which is defined as the people's office) on false pretenses. If they didn't intend to commit a crime, then there is no crime (and all of you nitwits will disappear with your tail between your legs as you are once again proven to be utterly incompetent when it comes to discussing politics and social issues).
It's called "God-smacked". I'm a Catholic and Catholics know what that means and please don't prostitute Jesus as an excuse to hate the Left like you usually do thank you.
Actually, you are the moron. Parents can claim tax deductions for kids well into their twenties now, thanks to our oh-so-knowing communist-run Congress. That means they're not paying some taxes they would otherwise be paying. So yes, we taxpayers ARE footing the bill.
"The best way to loose average Americans"
Seriously….is there one Liberal out there who can spell?
and if a $300 million bribe doesn't qualify as commission of a felony…
Correct.
"That being someone who wishes to break the law for political or social ends."
Except no law has been broken (unless they're lying about what they intended). So your comment is nonsensical.
Here ya go…an actual legal document form the FBI:
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/P...
You'll ignore it like you've been obediently indoctrinated to but it is what it is. Love the witness statements in reference to "embarrass staff" bullsh#t. Funny stuff.
And you know that there's no way O'Keefe will ever take a plea. He wants the information out in the open and a plea prevents that.
"How can you compare murder with trying to expose a corrupt Senator with a prank that didn't hurt anyone ? " — Oh that's easy…pretend ACORN did it then you'd be bitching yourself into a psychotic frenzy!
Yeah Des <—I can even spell my name.
Thank you. I will not become that which I fight against.
We need to step back and take a breath here. If he broke the law, he needs to own up to that and take his lumps (even if that means jail time). If he didn't , those on the other side of the argument need to pull their panties back up and stop hocking out MSNBC/ACORN talking points.
Whatever you say, Nancy.
I hope that this 25 year old "kid" gets some real adult time in the pen as a convicted felon. The "Oh he was just pulling a prank?" comment, nice but the prank he chose is what the laws of America call a F E L O N Y. I hope the sponsor of this site has to fork out tons of cash so that this criminal can be let off with a slap on his adult wrist. But I hope they never drop the felony charge so that this "kid" can get to work with other felon losers just like him for the rest of his pathetic life.
Yes, it is a crime as defined in United States Code: Title 18 Section 1036.
Even if they didn't intend to commit a crime while inside the United States Senator's office, they still face six months in prison and a $250,000 fine for the crime of entering under false pretenses.
Here is a link to the relevant section of the United States Code that I am referring to:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/search/display….
Well please keep using these tactics to do it so we can throw you all off the cliff you built for yourselves.
"Hi! I'm a Conservative and I commit felonies to prove that Progressives are indifferent and don't answer phones! We're so moral and better than you! We're elite a$$holes who commit felonies to prove Progressives are criminals!"
Oh…they deleted my response. Oh well…here ya go:
http://intensedebate.com/people/copperpeony
Perfect example of what you're whining about. 'Nuff said!
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