Wednesday Open Thread: SOTU Edition
by PubliusTonight, President Obama delivers his first State of the Union Address. Quaint that we once set aside specific time to ensure the President communicated with the public.
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Shoot, I'm going to miss it…………………..I have to work.
I don't know if I will be able to stand watching NO-Bama to be able to watch the whole address. I find it very hard to get past the first lie.
I'd rather have a root canal.
A caller on Rush Limbaugh's show ,with Mark Levin as guest host, suggested the GOP replace the "you lie" of Joe Wilson with collective laughter to acknowledge Obamas lies. We'll see if they have the stones . If its a European style socialist country they want at least we could get a little of their parliament fun as well.
I will bet anybody 1 Commie that it will take less than 5 minutes for NO-Bama to blame Bush.
As long as "they" know what the laughter is for, then I am all for it. lol
I am sure you can watch Kieth NoBrainman to find out how great Dear Leader did with the speach, as he will be talking it up for a week.
I know I won't be watching him…I can't stand that arrogant look
he has all the time, nor can I handle listening to his lies…The
idiots behind him, are just too much to bare on top of it!!
One of the worst parts of watching the SOTUA is Pelosi will be in full view…..
From what I heard so far today it will be a Conservative speech full of fluff and BS we heard with the run up on the Pres. Election.. Well we all seen where that went the first time !!
Look for the left to go nuts as he try's to get the Indy's back on his side..
I really don't need to look up those nostrils one more time!!! I am so sick of the arrogance of this administration, and the way they all three (above) have their noses in the air looking down on us!!! I would rather wait until after the speech and hear what others have to say….on Fox that is, I know what the idiots on CNN and CNBC are going to be doing….drooling…YUK!
I can hardly wait to see queen pelosi jump up and down everytime our Liar-In-Chief spews his BS! The house, the senate, and the inept president have been screwing over the America people for the past year. It will be interesting to see how they will lie their way out that on live TV!
Kind of funny…….
on this trip to Germany………
OBAMA is not so much an accepted topic……..
It must be all that…………
HOPE and CHANGE.
I won't watch it. The ONLY thing I want to read about it is that he will cancel the stimulus and use it to pay down the debt.
What, the novelty wore off and reality set in? Say it aint so.
Just look at that photo……..look at it…….I said LOOK AT IT!………..I would be less disturbed looking at a photo of a school bus on fire driving off of a cliff! God help us.
I'm doing the drinking game: Everytime he says "middle class", "fight".or"inherited".
I can't tolerate the sound of his voice or the sight of him. He isn't going to say anything I might want to hear, and, if he did, it would be a lie. So, why bother?
I've got a nice book to read, 'Constantinople' by Philip Mansel. I recommend it.
I don't want to be more like Europe thanks.
I can't look at that picture, it hurts the eyes.
A tally of contributors to Big Government yields the following:
White Males 145
White Females 30
Black Males 5
Black Females 2
Other Ethnicities 0
Totals based on tally of headshots provided with biographical information.
The SOTU speech brought to you by Obamao for those that may miss it: looking at one telepropmter, "my fellow" looks at the other teleprompter, "Americans, it" looking back at the first one, "stinks!"
And your point is?
GET REALLY DRUNK……………
MAKE IT…………
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I'm going to watch it, and all of it…If I'm going to debate the facts then I must be informed. I think everyone should watch it, and take notes. It's been easy so far to prove these people of contempt with just using their own words, and I can only imagine that Obama will be giving us plenty to talk about later tonight…
No matter how disgusting it will be to watch, everyone really needs to struggle through it. We need to stay on top of their words, and hold them accountable for their words every chance we get…Just make sure you have plenty of adult beverages on hand in order to make it through this tonight, and it may help numb your senses just enough so you can get through it…!?
No-Bama may give a conservative speech, but we're not buying it, we know who and what he is.
Not quite. Hope — The Obama Musical Story is now on stage in Germany.
I prefer to record on the DVR or Tivo… that way I can fast forward through all the unadulterated hand clapping euphoria of the libtards and still give my personal bartender time to freshen our drinks.
I'm going to watch it.
Be worth it, just to see Pelosi's multiple orgasms.
Do you think this data renders a point?
Yes Publius, it is quaint isn't it that the annointed one is compelled to address "We The People" whom he and the "progressives" of his ilk likely view as so many pesky insects.
Yet as Russell Kirk points out early in his classic book, "The Conservative Mind", "Edmund Burke, the greatest of modern conservative thinkers, was not ashamed to acknowledge the allegiance of humble men whose sureties are prejudice and prescription; for, with affection, he likened them to cattle under the English Oaks, deaf to the insects of radical innovation."
You see, it is actually these "progressives", of both parties, whom "We The People" need to shoo away in the upcoming mid-terms.
With her and Biden sitting behind him we can call it " The Botox back drop" !!!
Maybe we should have a drinking game while the POTUS speaks. Every time he says "I", take a chug.
………….and what demographic would YOU fall into?
Shoo away? I would rather have them put away.
Yes, assuming your numbers are accurate, I surmise there are a total of 182 contributors on this site.
I know I cant watch it… just hearing him makes my stomach hurt! Besides it will just be ANOTHER Obama speech.
You are correct.
To not watch it, would be akin to practicing the ostrich defense.
No.
I would dispute that statement.
There were more trolls than that on the O'Keefe thread alone last night.
Yes, this so-called "data" renders a point—a racist point.
For you, then, this data may trigger questions about demographics?
CL
With this person's reference to photos, I assumed it was the contributing journalists to which he was referring. As far as "commentors" I agree the troll count has been exponential, lately.
"Contributors" here are those individuals listed alphabetically (I assume as author/editor-contributors) under the "Contributors" link at the top of this page.
Not those commenting in the comment sections.
or "Unprecedented"
or "At the end of the day"
or "Let me be clear"
or "The last Administration"
or "folks"
or…I could go on for a while lol…
Yet another Obama speech? Which is worse, ignorance or apathy? DON'T KNOW, DON'T CARE!
there must be a hockey game on somewhere…
man!
you ruined my whole day
I'd -1 you, but you aren't wrong
Your such a good progressive, looking fo more non whites to label and assign a intitlement to.. Look at the color and not the content is so 1960's !!!
Perhaps squash like the f@#&*n' bugs they are would have been better aye?
The saddest thing is that Obama has done the very best he could. No, seriously, this is it. This is his "A" game.
Then everyone in the audience would be s…t faced drunk!!!
What is the racist point?
chopper
Good for you………you still have a job. Hold on tight!
SMART GUY HERE ! Will be armed with TWO airline barf bags…heh..heh..heh.. Just in case….
Perhaps you have a point lol…I will personally know it's time to stop drinking when Pelosi starts to look attractive…Then again, If I get that drunk I may need to get my stomach pumped…? Or my eyeballs scraped or something…lol
OMG… Thanks a lot, Cowboy… Just the vision of her in orgasm….watching all that botox climaxing… A thought NO MAN should ever have to endure !
Yes, a couple of points. 1.) You have too much time on your hands. 2.) You're race obsessed.
He's doing what trolls and Dems do best, he's
putting humans into categories….Let the little
small minded person do his job…No doubt
to report to one of the Left Wing Nut Blogs….
cardon
So, you are going to miss a chance to count his nose hairs?
What ! You only get 70 or 80 chances a yr.
rckmom
On target, mom!
Dear Democrats and Republicans,
Why did you give to the American People an ILLEGAL PRESIDENT?
You're right…I guess, I could listen, and not watch…I'll
go in a different room..I really get sick when I see that
smug, arrogant look!!
ConcernedVet123
Everything that can't be blamed on the 'last 8 years' (if negative) didn't happen the way we think it did. Let him "be clear" on that!
ACK… someone quick… stick a needle in my mind's eye!
Alcohol poisoning is no laughing matter, be careful what you recommend my friend!
They have SOTU Bingo !!!! Get your cards today !!!!
http://www.slideshare.net/marcaross/state-of-the-...
I believe there is a Fantasy Island marathon on Lifetime tonight… bet its ratings are higher then expected!
Obama has no clue what to do – Sorros bought him off before the presidency ….
FlatTaxer
You will be happy to hear–we will not be having a '2nd stimulus', we will be having a 'jobs bill'.
Do you know how to correctly spell stimulus? It's E X L A X.
I'll be catching up on my Young and the Restless and wait for hannity to tell me what happened
Some Questions:
Why have you 1) set a label here, "good progressive," and 2) attributed motivation, "assign an entitlement,"?
Is this an act of justification?
Do you believe justification is necessary for this data?
Do you presume this data compilation or the raw data itself is somehow skewed? (philosophically, rhetorically, or politically?)
Is the reference to the 1960s an instance of the "Chronological Fallacy?" (after Jacques Barzun)
Is not the attempt at discrediting the source of the data compilation another rhetorical/ framing trick akin to, for instance, the color/content reframing (assuming this is creditable) you cite?
You will be sooo sloshed!
You should try not to assume…Perhaps you should get your facts in order first, then present an argument based on your findings.
That is…If you indeed tend to debate a valid point to begin with…?
Check out the new version of "Mmm Mmm Mmm Barack Hussein Obama" at: http://www.myspace.com/rogerweber
You'll get a laugh!
You explicate from this data that someone (whoever that may be), somehow, merits personal insult.
With that methodology and skilled conclusion drawing you're not likely to be class topper in computation, statistics, philosophy, sociology, history, political science, etc., etc.,
What's the over/under on how many times he says "Let me be clear…" right before being vague?
SOTU?
Perhaps one of
THE TOP FIVE REASONS PRESIDENT OBAMA SUDDENLY APPEARS TO BE GOING BALD
http://naturalfake.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/the-t...
He will be in high gear. They will spew more lies geared towards what they think the people want to hear. I bet he has watched clip after clip of Scott Browns campaign. Will any one believe him after ALL the lies he's already told and be willing to drink the kool-aid. They are disparate and their ends justify their means. They would rather make excuses later to try and win elections in Nov. or pull the blame game. I trust NOTHING this guy says, NEVER. We must stay on our toes and not let them fool us again. If their not hemmed in by the truth, they will say and do anything. I guarantee you they are not and have never been hemmed in by the truth.They are arming up for election 2010. Watch out.
Like your predecessors who have made response, this data causes you to reflexively label :
it must have been collected by a "troll" or a "Dem" who is "putting humans into categories."
This is not indicative of intelligence, thought, or even comprehension, but of a behavioral syndrome and/or psychological pathology.
Are the numbers meaningful or not?
I'd rather stick my head in a toilet. He's that disgusting. Nauseating.
No, I do not "assume" (that is, as opposed to "presume") anything—I say the so-called "data" is not even real and that, therefore, the so-called "compilation" is non-existent.
No, they're not. Do you think they're meaningful? If so, why? If not, buzz off
I am thankful, and blessed.
I'll be watching Nancy, perched in the back like a gargoil, slapping her boney claws together.
Just makes you want to get up and dance the goose-step, doesn't it?
The President of the United States is about as minority as you can get. You would be spewing your racist crap even if the majority of all major leadership in America was held by minorities. You cannot debate issues, so you always revert to the race card. I'm a huge Alan Keyes fan, but I despise Obama. But, I'm sure you can sping this somehow, that I'm a racist. Come November the games will be over. I don't have to convince your kind of this. I will just wait and watch it with a six pack.
So these numbers are a mystification? As well as any sociological or political implications that might be posited based on them?
The alleged "numbers" are meaningless.
Wow you must have read "Rules for Radicals. It appears that you are trying to Isolate and demonize the posters on this site. Do you work for the current administration?
No, they're meaningless.
maybe they can all bring cue cards with "You Lie" on them and put them up every time he lies…although laughing or refusing to share any applause for him would be far more fun…..if he was going to announce his immediate resignation and reporting to the nearest federal pen, I'd be more than happy to listen to him…since he won't and the very sound of his voice makes me ill, I'll find something in the DVD library or on DVR…
Plotting then, a range between Not Meaningful,
through Somewhat Meaningful,
to Very Meaningful,
you, dAnconia_ Copper, would self-locate on the hard left of that range?
He's playing "race baiting for dummies".
It's fun at first, but after awhile it gets old and kinda loses it's colour.
Nice dodge.
I use the language of assumption from the standpoint of colloquial convenience not operational explanation.
I am not doing "fact" based arguments based on findings here.
Nor is this a debate.
I am more interested in Socratic interrogation based on varied responses to this information.
Seems more like a lazy sociology student doing a "study" on an internet thread. He uses really big words to say nothing. This is what passes for intelligence on college campuses these days, sadly; people with a great grasp of vocabulary, but serious deficiency in critical thinking.
You'll have to let me know how many times she gives the loser O……….her standing-O.
I'll bet you it's in the double digits………….standing-O's……………not the orgasms.
Though what are the odd's?
Check mediamatters they are all white male and female. You have no point.
I hope his teleprompter breaks. Wouldn't that be hysterical??!!
Okay. For me that's valid. You believe the numbers are meaningless.
Numbers. by the way, can not be "alleged" (they may be disputed.)
That is term applicable to law enforcement and jurisprudence.
Instead of 3 Congressman standing up and shouting "You LIE" everytime Ooobumba lies, they should sing in Chorus….
Pants On The Ground, Pants On The Ground Looking like a fool , Pants On The Ground
Okay.
You are the second respondant who believes these numbers are meaningless.
Whoa…all you 57th staters, what a big night! Get your prayer rugs out, your Blow-up-Barry at your side, pull out all of your democratic politician action figures, and face towards Washington, and prepare for Himself…the most magnificent…benevolent…wondrous…Blithering Barry the Bolshevik, as he lays out places to find his stash. The theme of this evening’s stemwinder…that elusive three letter word “jobs.” But as a devout Keynesian, look for Barry to double down on stupid, and “jobs” will be as elusive as his stash. So sit back, enjoy, your blessed Messiah and know he loves you best…wink-wink-nod-nod!
One word..OVEREXPOSED!!! You can watch an Obama speach any night of the week on any of the liberal state run so called news channels. No thanks, I don't need someone else telling me how and what I should think!
That is the most complicated way I have ever seen someone admit to being a troll out fishing, SchhriSchri.
Can you cite the instance where I was "spewing…racist crap?"
You're like a gymnast the way you evade questions
I will not watch tonite. My blood pressure will go sky high. Besides, what he will say, I know would be lies and I'd only aggravate myself. I'm not that masochistic!
It will be played enough times, and dissected enough times by the talking heads really there's no point in watching it.
More interesting to me is the Fox News discussion w/ O'Reilly and Sarah Palin after… THAT I would watch.
I can only hope that they hold their applause. Do any of you remember when Bush gave his SOTU and the Dems sat on their hands, with their smug expressions? I think it befitting to not applaud for any of the predictable nonsense that will be spoken. I'm pretty sure all of us can predict exactly what he will be saying, and how comforted the sheep will feel afterwards.
Instead of shouts like "You Lie!" or laughter in concert, how about just a simple a drone of –
mmmmmm, mmmmmmmmmmm, mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
It is not an admission.
It is a response to and rejection of the poster Einy's framing of my discussion as a fact based debate
I would like to stay on point however. Are these numbers meaningful to you Ashrak?
I could name some basketball teams that have similar data points…but you give me something to do…I think I'll dig into the liberal and progressive sites to compare…oh wait…stupid is on the inside.
I'm with CrazyABiker – I can't stand to watch. I reached the saturation point of listening to this pompous man long ago. His speech writers will have put together a bunch of glowing words that say nothing and they'll have a few bones of supposed tax reductions or tax payoffs to throw to the masses in the hopes of quieting us down. The man, his czars and his cabinet are what they are and you can't suddenly find honesty, trustworthiness, and respect for your fellow man when it is not part of your fundamental character.
On the bright side, think of the numerous and creative drinking games that could be played.
I'm not answering questions, I'm putting them.
Start your own thread if you're seeking answers.
You mean besides the one on top of your head?
http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/alleged
The dictionary disagrees
Race, ethnicity, creed and the like don't matter to me SchriSchri. The messenger's make up is irrelevant as to the truth of the message – or lack of it.
Are they meaningful to you? If so, how so?
I'm proud to say that I will continue to NOT watch ANY speech he gives. The only exception MIGHT be if he resigns.
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I am left to wonder if you will answer Cowboy Logic's question. One who wants others to answer questions, even if for nothing more than to study the answers, should be willing to answer questions themselves when asked.
You wouldn't want to be presenting yourself as someone who wants others to do what you yourself will not do, would you?
How about answering your own question?
Are they meaningful to you or not?
I'm going to watch Bob Newhart…..now there's a drinking game
That's not how threads work. You were posed questions, whether you like it or not. You are choosing to not answer them, which doesn't necessarily prove anything, but does imply that you have no point to make. Socratic method doesn't translate to blogs. This isn't a class, and you're clearly not a professor.
I think you mean "You the People"; to be clear…in BHOs own words.
So you claim ownership of a thread, you dictate how it will develop and hold others to a standard you yourself do not apply to yourself. You talk at people instead of with them.
All in an effort to guide the discussion away from the topic at hand.
Some will say that ignoring this is best. Myself, I like to expose it for what it is. You, SchriSchri, have tried to inject the race card into the State of the State discussion. You have tried to pin it on this site.
You are not nearly as slick as you seem to think you are.
I agree with many of the posters here that watching and hearing him speak makes me nauseous. Having to watch Nancy bounce up and down would only make it worse. Rather than become an ostrich, I plan to read a text of the whole speech on Thursday. I've always done that – Bush, Clinton and Obama. Takes all the melodrama and ridiculous hand-clapping out of it.
If the 787 Billion dollar "Stimulus" and TARP spending were meant to kickstart the economy, and Obama really believed that, then he would have to now be saying that freezing spending must be meant to stifle it. He was lying then or he lies now. So which is it?
College assignment? Exercise in annoying people? Practicing being a politician, where questions are answered with a question? What the heck is your point, the riddle of your posts is reflective of a childish game.
Your detective work evinces room for improvement here.
And which "really big words" have eluded you?
Even though I accept your unintended compliment about my "great grasp of vocabulary," my expertise is in an entirely different area.
Even though the insult about the "serious deficiency in critical thinking" is a throw in here. I sense it is a fear you harbor about yourself.
Perhaps some bully, or your father instilled this fear in you?
And you learned that bullying was a satisfactory survival strategy. I'll not be bullied however. So back off.
At last count I think it was said he's given a speech or interview on tv some 485 times. Guess the thought is if you say something enough times, someone will believe it!
Since the spineless Demo-progressive-socialists are so worried about hurting the feelings of the poor little Terrorists vis-a-vis interrogation…I have an idea on how to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. Make the crotch bomber (and any others in confinement you want some info from) watch the speech tonight. Barry will think it is a grand idea as we all know he is delusional about his powers of persuasion and personal charm.
However, I suspect the terrorist will be so sick of Obama talking about himself AND become so frightened having to gaze upon Nancy Pelosi………that he will be begging to tell the powers that be whatever they want to know. "Just turn that TV off PLEASE".
Your kinder, gentler "enhanced interrogation" if you will.
No point was asserted.
Spot on Ashrak
Can you tell me what "Rules for Radicals" is?
Can you tell why you've made these suppositions?
Gotta love the objective perspective professors bring to the job.
I'm glad I have my LOST DVDs I'm catching up on for next week's premier. I honestly can't handle even looking at this guy anymore, let alone listen to lie after lie after lie after lie from him.
I'll hear all about it tomorrow… that's enough for me.
Polls taken by Politico and Fox News show 50% do not plan to watch the SOTU. That includes me – have not watched this guy's attempts to fool the American people since his campaign. I hope and pray that Americans have woken up and look past words and token gestures to their pocket books.
Basically we need the Govt. to step out of the way and for this sham of a president to act like the token, the bobble head he is.
What do you mean by "about as minority as you can get?"
Exactly… what makes this any difference than is 147 or whatever other speeches he's done? It's nothing but lies anyway.
Someone created a drinking game on Facebook… every time he blames Bush, you take a drink. Every time he says "Let me be clear", you take a drink. We'll all be sloshed in 10 minutes.
What wonderful Projection you offer SchriSchri. 'Tis you doing the bullying here, you don't much care for people standing up to you so you demand they stand down.
Typical leftist tactic, not unlike trying to play the race card at every opportunity.
Shall we go for that hat trick? Or are ya done now?
Notice SchriSchri offers no answer. It is quite difficult to support the argument that one seeks answers, when they refuse to answer questions themselves…..
Read again. Never said anything you've typed has eluded me. That would be a tough task. Critical thinking, or logic, is a dedication of mine. Not projection, nor an Oedipal complex, nor a "bully."
"So back off". Ok, tough type. I'm not bullying you, simply taking you to task. Is your hypersensitivity a remnant of being bullied yourself? Stop projecting.
Indeed ,OnCommonGround. It is a game and it is childish. The sad part is that there could be a meaningful discussion about this topic, but it is the questioner themselves that refuses to allow mutual dialogue to play out.
With all due respect to Publius and the editors – I thnk they may have missed a typo – in the headline no less. Shouldn't it be:
Wednesday open thread: "STFU Already!" Edition
Narcissistic personality disorder is a condition characterized by an inflated sense of self-importance, need for admiration, extreme self-involvement, and lack of empathy for others. Individuals with this disorder are usually arrogantly self-assured and confident.
Vulnerability in self-esteem makes individuals with this disorder very sensitive to criticism or defeat. They may react with disdain, rage, or defiant counterattack. http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-pe07.html
Another good reason to skip the actual speech by the POTUS would be to see what happens to the ratings that night. Still bet that FOX will destroy all the other cables.
I still think it's hilarious that he announced the date of his SOTU speech a few hours after Apple announced the date of their tablet computer revelation event, and placed his speech on the same date as Apple's event just a few hours later. The internet will be afire with Apple chatter when the president speaks, which he and his handlers must know, so it seems as if Obama wants his speech to be overshadowed and not watched or covered much.
My question was whether or not the numbers were meaningful to you.
I note that you couched your response in the context of a personal general principle.
Glad you have a job. Work is just an evil scheme to make money. He just say the lies, as I think that there aren't more left to use….His spin will be to the right….
I did not state I was seeking answers.
Nor do I feel any obligation to submit to questioning.
That's right, but he'll say "the policies of the last 8 years…." "The various crisis that He has inherited"
Do you have a point?
You seem to find some comfort in applying evaluative language here?
So then make like a squid, and beat it. We engage in discussions here. Stop wasting bytes.
Do you think your semi-ethical propositions should have bearing on my behavior? That they might be persuasive, either to myself or to others?
Are you setting policies and procedures dAnconia Copper, or do you think that this is a statement of community norms?
If so what are the sources of these norms and how can they be challenged or verified?
What is "race baiting for dummies?"
Why did you put this phrase in quotation marks?
What is fun about it?
If you do not seek answers, to study, then why did you say this "I'm not answering questions, I'm putting them. Start your own thread if you're seeking answers. " and this "I am more interested in Socratic interrogation based on varied responses to this information."
See that is what happens when you don't keep it real. Your own words come back to bite you. Munch on you they have and continue they will to devour you until such time as you continue on your current path.
Interestingly, you do admit that you are willing to subject others to that which you refuse to submit to yourself. So there it is, even though you feel no obligation to answer questions, you do so anyway without even realizing it.
Here is your lesson learned fo today , it takes more than a thesaurus to wordsmith.
Well, that would interfere with our Milwaukee's Last Snowfall Party.
SchriSchri is deciding who has to wear the the yellow stars on their clothes.
I respond to that question with my most favorite sentence.
Is is is.
I love the "last eight years line". One of those last eight he was in the White House and three of them his party was in majority control of congress – some of which time was total control (60 votes in the Senate).
You obviously don't – you're just here trollin', aren't you?
What I wrote is legible, clear and direct. What you choose to infer from it is your business. If you can't understand, I cannot help you.
I can't drink that much, even tho' I'm in Brew City. I always drink alone or with somebody and it's not a problem. I drink, I fall down, I get up: No Problemo..
Clearly
This is where we really need O'Keefe & Crew..bail them out now!
Interesting. You've clearly mastered the thesaurus, yet you haven't been able to figure out google?
Maybe a blue-dog will do it….After the Pelosi Organism and things quiet down.
J.O.B.s Just Obout Broke….We lost 110,000 jobs in WI…in one year!
Alas, my "great grasp of vocabulary" (your statement) may not be so great?
If this is so, what can be said for the your other numerous conclusions in this thread?
However, I'm happy to recuperate your credibility in this instance.
Friends, never count on merriam-webster for usage.
Use the adjective "alleged" in a statistical audit for instance, and you will not communicate meaningfully.
Though my expertise dAnconia_Copper, is not primarily associated with my "great grasp of vocabulary," I will set my understanding of standard english usage against any blog counterpart clicking an electronic (or thumbing a desk) dictionary in every instance.
We're doing both…Take an aspirin. But you're right…it's disgusting to watch, especially just before bed time.
Where do you get that?
Obama's hiring of his old Campaign Manager David Plouffe is Obama flipping America off.
Standing on principle, and having a reputation for dong so, provides answers. It is a choice to recognize this reality or to pretend otherwise.
There's that condescending nose up in the air again. Geez.
Does the/my original post stand by itself?
Without comment, conclusion, or question?
Or does it provoke comments, conclusions, questions?
What about the evaluative language that many are using?
The personal insults that are directed at a stranger?
I feel for you brother, I hear it everywhere.
He'll explain to us the REAL reason we'e angry- it's that we don't have health care reform.
Watch.
Can you tell me more about the similarities or dissimilarities between basketball teams and this blog site?
What does liberal mean?
What does progressive mean?
What do you mean by "stupid is on the inside?"
He's probably doing this behind closed doors…The Dark Side of Mr Obama in private has probably been experienced by his staffers.
My response to Obama's SOTU? STFU!
Um…. what? I think I get you now: completely muddle the conversation beyond all recognition from on high. That may work on idiots, but it doesn't fly here. Your "expertise" is still a mystery to us all, as it hasn't been demonstrated yet by you. In standard English, alleged is a real word, with a real meaning (I even looked it up for you), that is used by literally millions of people in no way associated with law enforcement. You are wrong. Now, confronted with this, instead of admitting it, you dig deeper with an approach that is the intellectual equivalent of dung: it stinks, and while in the future it may fertilize something useful, in it's current condition it is waste.
I can hear it all now as they write the speech…..
We MUST fool the little people one more time. We MUST sway the masses in our favor. Obama MUST speak the lies we write with his great acting and speaking skills. We will promise them great things and make them think we're doing something,
I feel your pain, I've made mistakes and promise too do better. I heard you in Ma. I will focus on job creation.
We must continue this way until after Nov. we MUST win. Then we will learn from the past and go in for the kill faster. Soros, Andy Stern, ect. ect. have too much invested. We will fake and kiss -up to gain favor. We will lose a year. Thy liberal will be done.
(I wouldn't give Obams's speech the ratings…………)
Do you know what the definition of "is" is?
If you compare Mr. Obama's behaviour to those of Lucifer, in the Bible…the only thing missing is that Mr Obama can't sing! They are both working against Our Freedoms, while destroying this n that. I have to absolutely force myself to watch, simply because we're required to know the enemy & his forces, and then resist that. This evil culprit is wasting our time which is precious to each and every one of us…That's what sucks. Wait till Thursday, when Rushbo and others do their commentaries…That will be LOL for 3 hours and will neutralize The Lies of Obama speech. George Soros ought to be sitting up there, too….
Thank God we still have a union, after the beating its taken in the last year.
How long before he says "I" or "my" or "me" ? Probably immeasurable in standard stopwatches.
It would be techno-terrorism at its best.
When the Poser starts to talk, all conservative members of Congress should walk out. Make a bold statement, that he is not worth listening to. WALK OUT!!!!
He seems more like an escapee from an insane asylum, or
he's possibly in the library of an asylum using their computer.
I will not play his stupid game…
I'll have to miss Mr. High and Mighty's speech tonight since I just cannot stand to look at the underside of his chin anymore.
Again dAnconia_Copper, back off, and stop trying to bully me. It's weak and pathetic.
In any case, I'm very satisfied with the discussion (such as it is.)
I'm learning a great deal.
For instance, based on the very small (but very concentrated sample) of these thread posts, I have begun to learn that the experience of ambiguity or the encounter with the unknown is excruciating and intolerable to many who participate here, particularly if it occurs in the context of a perceived challenge (i.e. indisputably tendentious data.)
Tele-Prompter of the United States (manufactured in China no less) – MMMM, MMMM, MMM
Over/Under on how many times Barry says "I" = 150
How many times he blames Bush for anything and everything = 7
Place your bets now!
Not that much alcohol on the planet.
Ashrak I'm putting questions not answers. You are very intent on answers. I am not.
And again, Ashrak, I appreciate your effort at ethical(?) exploration here. It simply does not apply to me however.
So standing on principle is an evaluative good for you. This is clear.
Again, the immediate resort to evaluative language in order to assert worth.
Do you ever question the way you use certain kinds of language?
If so, what kinds of questions would you ask?
If not, do you think others who question modes of language are not legible, clear, and direct?
Are these qualities preferable?
How do you know?
Ethics don't apply to you huh? Imagine that.
dAnconia_Copper you are a bully and extremely aggressive.
Nothing applies to him. Just condescension. Makes him feel "big." It's the newest craze in academia…. intellectual jell-o
hahahahahahahahahahahaha…. I had a good laugh at that one. Nice name-calling, projector.
It is so long as the principle is just. That's where the context of reputation comes in.
For instance, one could argue correctly that Osma Bin Laden stands on principle. His reputation provides insight to the merit of his principle well beyond his own perception.
Open your mind, you can do so by answering your own questions and those posed to you from others. A desire for knowledge is best served by a willingness to learn from dialogue rather than assume via broad declaration.
I might be able to stomach it, I have 2 extra bottles of Pepto Bismol, and an large economy size bottle of Tylenol.
Again, if you can't understand, you're beyond the scope of my help.
Obama has to put on a smashing show tonight. I believe he will give a Gallagher-esque performance.
Those sitting in the front rows will be handed plastic ponchos. Obama will proceed to smash various
squishy objects with a gigantic wooden mallet. By the time he gets to the watermelons, the people
will be with him again.
Your original post is like abstract art. It has infinite meanings and no meaning whatsoever at all at the same time.
It all hinges on the perception one has in the moment.
Your attempt to gain any useful information from this exercise is an epic failure. It is like averaging an averages. You can do it, but whatever you come up with when you do is worthless beyond it's simple being.
i'm going to watch Popeye cartoons, i think my mind will need more mental stimulation the hussein and pudlosi can fart out…..Popeye is still on, yes?
Perhaps take bets on the "I"s vs. the "lies".
You posted numbers, divided by race and sex, on a thread about the State of the Union Address. You offered no point, analysis, or context for your post. Readers here, understandably asked for an explanation. This isn't a lab, testing site, or your playground. You put forth a vague-at-best post and we called you on it.
"….You are very intent on answers. I am not…."
Which is why all Modern Liberals should be removed from ANY jury pool.
"literally millions…" Really?
Don't open a discussion with me about standard english usage dAnconia_Copper it won't go well for you.
For a start.
Do a google search of the word alleged and see the percentage of returns you get that use it as an adjective. (Proper noun use of alleged is not in view here.)
Next, see how many of those instances use alleged as an adjective with the plural noun "numbers."
Have fun.
Next, compare your tally to the citations that use alleged in a legal context.
CL…i'm going for Popeye cartoons…..I've been lied to before and hussein is not good at stand up…..bet you a long neck if pudlosi gets off she shoots out her uppers,the ones she had made in Tijuana.
This is your theme song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_JIg9NB47M
You are very agrressive dAnconia_Copper.
What an odd little person you seem to be – you've lost any credibility when every post is a question and yet you state 'I did not state I was seeking answers'. And a tip for the day, it's silly to presume your data is in any way accurate, seems you have no idea who I am, gender or race, therefore all your questions are rendered meaningless – even the ones you state you don't want answers to!
It seems you're all to eager to lump as many as possible into that "white" category. Maybe I should overlook this as you're obviously a prejudiced newcomer to this site. It's just too bad for you Modern Liberals that you don't want the same thing as true liberals of generations past… a color blind society.
Now, if you stick around and pay attention you'll start to fill up that "other ethnicity" category you created.
Ashrak, I compiled the data.
It required effort.
I reserve to myself the status of managing this discussion as I see fit based on the merit of that effort.
You feel it appropriate to reference the yellow star in this thread?
If so, what then, would not be appropriate to cite in this discussion?
"Said one well connected Democrat last night, “Things are so bad there is a betting pool on which DEMOCRAT screams ‘You Lie!’ tomorrow night.” Well, tomorrow night is now arrived."
What a revelation!
I understand you don't like your behavior identified and stated.
And, to the contrary of your point, bullying is always weak.
Can you tell me what "proof" is in this context?
What is scientific?
What is a scientific tally?
What is an unscientific tally?
Do you realize that you communicate mostly in adjectival and adverbial fragments that form strings of personal epithet and insult?
Casting this language use pattern in a social situation/system (for a thought experiment) do you think this kind of language usage is indicative of a leader or a follower (for instance)? What kind of leader would this indicate? Or follower?
"Don't open a discussion with me about…" ahahahahahaa. There you go, tough-typing again. I did. Your threats won't move me.
As for google, I know how to use it, thanks. I also know how to speak, so have some fool run your research errands for you, or (gasp!) do it yourself. What I also know is that it is YOU who are disagreeing with an academically accepted and established dictionary, not me. Not sure where you get the term "error proliferating dependancy(sic)" [though I think a hyphen is called for], nor how it applies to citing a dictionary… unless you are accusing the dictionary of being incorrect.
And son, I've been using rhetoric to run laps around you on this thread…
You might want to get some activated charcoal to avoid poisoning.
Your attempted imposition of an expectation does not apply to me.
Get a load of this. "I reserve to myself…" Who are you? You're not a site admin bub. However people choose to respond to you sadly is not under your control, nor can you "manage" where things go. Narcissistic, as well
dAnconia_Copper don't bully me. Back off.
According to you, any fact, idea or form of postulation seems to be inappropriate
What is the derivation of your association "Modern Liberals" here?
What about the association "jury pool?"
The only thing shrillShrill seems to want to fill up is his own ego
…so long as the principle is just…
And how is a just principle identified?
In the example of Bin Laden that you pose, for instance, can there not be many either 1)certainties or 2)ambiguities depending on the identifier?
Ego-centrism is the essence of Modern Liberalism.
Okay. Now you are backing off – that's better.
Do you believe others, strangers included, are seeking your help?
"I understand you don't like your behavior identified and stated." You've never met me, so you are unable to accomplish either, therefore it is an impossibility to "understand" something you are unable comprehend.
If bullying were weak, it'd be referred to as "nuisance-ing"
"What is scientific? " etc etc etc… I already told you, I'm not doing your homework for you. Look 'em up.
As for the rest of the pseudo-intellectual jibber-jabber towards the end of your post, go on a psycho-babble blog and discuss with others who abdicate production for intellectual incoherence.
I'm right here, jell-o
That is a narrative.
Is it one of many possible or the only one?
Do you feel we can only be comfortable by insisting on and continually reinforcing perceptual and functional norms?
I refrain from watching his speaches on my big screen….I would hate to lose control and throw something at it….and I believe the cocaine has burned away all his nose hairs…..
I love this character. Now you're telling me what I'm doing. Interesting. So we can add clairvoyant to your list of self-proclaimed skills. Must be awesome up there, man.
If others ask for it. You did.
"That is a narrative"
No, it's an analysis of observations.
Could we entertain this is as the question of intention?
Usefulness might then depend on intention – would it not?
Additionally you are interrogating methodology?
What is then the priority, process or outcome?
If you are pictured and named (along with a narrative bio) on the contributors page, I know enough to have incorporated you into the findings.
Your purpose? Since there seems to be none, therefore it would be highly inappropriate to discuss.
Why I even respond to any of your nonsense is the big mystery. Look through all your psych and sociology books and diagnose me…should be enlightening. Maybe I was bullied as a child and don't remember…hmmm, or maybe I'm projecting here….or maybe I'm just really curious what your intent is. Funny thing Schri, if you put it out there, people would be inclinded to answer – oh wait,, I forgot, you ask questions but you said you are not seeking answers. Odd
My numbers are easily verified.
Go to the contributors page and do the tabulations.
Well…this just means that black folks need to wake up, rub the sand out of their eyes and act like the equal members of society that they have become. You are no longer victims and you CAN'T buy all the crap that the libs are selling you. THEY ARE COUNTING ON YOU SWALLOWING ALL THEIR BULLS**T WHOLE!!!!
Obummer is out of excuses and now he just blathers on. Let us hope that the ones who irresponsibly voted for him are now coming out of their stupid cycle.
"Reviving the Constitution"
The Kirby Center cordially invites you to participate in an online town hall on Saturday, January 30, 2010.
http://www.hillsdale.edu/KirbyCenter/programs/tow...
I would be drunk by the 2 minute mark!…maybe i should not drink Barcardi 151 for this …..
Your circular patterning of defense lends me to believe that in spite of your bloated vocabulary, and keen sense of verbage…You make little to no sense what so ever!
So exactly what are you doing here then, if it is to not debate your original post? Why bother with us knuckle dragging, in-bred, marsh dwellers then? If you are so sure of yourself and your position than why do you need reassurance from us that your pointless ramblings are just that…?
Or would you rather prefer to argue how blue the sky is today?
Watch out for alcohol poisoning!
Your preference for self-assertion is noted.
Noted as well is your belief that bullying is a show of something other than weakness.
My questions i.e. regarding "proof" or "scientific" are intended to interrogate assumptions.
You rely on these assumptions to make a narrow way around reality.
It will take hard, hard work to rescue you from this.
For instance, do you have a passport?
Do you speak a language in addition to english?
Have you been invited to the home of an acquaintance/stranger in a non-english speaking society?
Yes. With a bully, you insist that they back off until they do it.
Then, to manage a bully, you must recognize their behavioral change by verbal acknowledgement.
In the verbal exchanges that comprise the manifold spaces of this thread, I have gotten you to back off.
Ahem. Do cite when I asked for your help.
So I hope most of the 52% of Americans who elected this ya-hoo now know they elected a Freshman Senator who is long on giving good speeches (with a teleprompter), parroting what the public wanted to hear (the health care hearing will be televised on C-SPAN), but very short on experience and substance. He is also a leftist with questionable ties (Rev. Wright, Ayres), and I think he is incapable for moving to the center, which will doom his chances of a second term. I only hope the damage to our country will be minimal and a Republican takeover of the House and/or Senate would stem his leftist/socialist agenda.
Once again, self assertion and bluster. See my comments elsewhere.
(It is a desirable step away from bullying however. So in this reformation, you must be commended.)
It doesn't matter who I am.
Nor do I have any attachment to the illusion of control.
The more questions asked, the more material I garner.
Can you explain how you reached the conclusion?
It's getting expensive to play the drinking game; especially when you consider how many shots you will need to take every time the words "I" or "me" are spoken. How about Bingo? Go here to download your ObamaBingo cards. http://www.atr.org/state-union-time-play-obama-bi...
Infidel!
You know yeah!
I would consider watching under one condition… teleprompter malfunction… just the thought makes me tingle.
Well if these guys stay the course, maybe you'll be out of work and can catch next year's.
This guy's fullness of self is textbook so for someone who has had success handed to him and probably received a social promotion or two, its' astounding. Unearned creds will make a moron strike, ad nauseum, the poses that so many of us find repugnant. His demeanor doesn't surprise me a bit. He's a peacock who, I'm sure, spends more time in front of a mirror than Michelle does.
Nice evasion. What's with all your projection, btw?
(channeling shrillshrill:)
Why do you say the sky is blue?
Can you prove there is a sky? And if so, is it blue?
Have you seen the sky?
Don't answer. I don't like answers.
Where is the sky?
How do you know today is today?
Are the qualifiers "circular patterning," "bloated," "keen sense," essential here?
Do they enhance your remarks?
Did I reference self-assurance or the absence of it?
Did I cast aspersions like "marsh dwellers" etc?
According to the instrument/s used for verification, a definitive conclusion about the perceived color of the sky can be determined.
You mean you haven't enjoyed the last year of fun and games,
and trillions of dollars spent?….Join the party and watch the
nations clown and his circus!
First, you are delusional. I haven't backed off an inch. I'm still right here, waiting for you to accidentally say something coherent, or even crazier: answer a question sans your psycho"analysis". So, you've accomplished no such nonsense, and now are giving yourself credit for an imagined event. Stunning. How you made it to adulthood is a testament to social safety net in this country. No shrill left behind.
I'm betting he won't be giving the Sally Fields/Norma Rae speech. You couldn't pay me to listen.
Will do. After you answer the questions asked of you, and stop evading. Put up or be gone
Actually, analysis is a process of intellectual digestion. Narrative is a way of telling a story. Try again.
Methinks thou dost protest too much.
Once again, it takes 20+ words to offer nothing to the discussion
"Nor do I have any attachment to the illusion of control. "
after you say:
"I reserve to myself the status of managing (this) discussion as I (sic) suits me"
Ok, hypocrite…
"I consistently labelled one counterpart as a bully"
A tried and true leftist tactic. Alinsky supported methods like this. Hence, why there are so many ignorant people running around who think Rush Limbaugh is a racist. Repeat until it sticks. How lazy.
You think? That's progress from your behavior on here.
Hell yes!!!
"Intellectual digestion?"
You have no idea what anaylsis is.
You require a primer on the structures of discourse. That is not my concern here.
maybe her dentures will come loose ….ya know Biden wants some of that !!!!
Tonight, I fear that President Obama delivers his first State of the DIS-Union Address! I wonder if this is how Lenin did it?
The great god Alinsky you do obeisance to here didn't write the manual on managing aggressors like you.
Read, for instance, Thucydides.
Yes, yes, yes, and in a perceived manner, yes you did. Or am I not allowed to assume as you have all day long?
And if one was analytical enough, she/he would understand that it doesn't take "instruments" to draw any opinionated conclusion, of color or anything else for that matter…It was a rhetorical question professor.
Please spare us the semantics and elaborate, digressive, abstraction-based discourse…We honestly don't care…
What part about that will you indubitably not understand?
Will you reply with a slew of more non-related question?
Will your blathering diatribe bring ultimate meaning to your non-existent point?
Touche…
lol..Heck, is that all?….You talked me into it…Oh
gosh, I must be losing it, I thought he preached
at us every day!
Ok buddy.
Right. Got it.
I give him 2 minutes before he says UNPRECEDENTED and studders.
I watched both the RNC and DNC for this very reason. And when my collegate professor (extremely liberal) mother-in-law says she wouldn't waste her time in watching both, I was able to tell her that for an educator she is being ignorant.
Nice to see some more Utes around here! Where are you in Utah TechDad…?
I'm down in Happy Valley on the Orem/Provo line by the way…
I wonder with anticipation if Obama will give a campaign speech and make a political endorsement via the State of the Union speech the way the Governor of Illinois did in the State of the State speech recently.
Birds of a feather…
I always say that, in my head, every time he pulls out that "last 8 years" bit; he can't count. Bujt then, he thinks that the USA is comprised of 58 states.
You've learned nothing; you are just assuming something which isn't evident.
What, pray tell, was the purpose of posting those silly numbers, broken down by race and sex? Why is any of that important to you?
Schri…………….what are you doing, some weirdo sociolibtard paper, on a taxpayer funded grant ?
Do YOU have a passport?
Have you ever been to Cuba, Venezuela, and/or N. Korea?
Are you a ( choose one and reply ) heterosexual, homosexual, transgender ( complete or in transition ), cross dresser, or bi-sexual ?
How many pairs of shoes do you own ?
How many times a year do you beat your mother, father, siblings, relatives?
Schri………..
Do you have an up to date passport?
Have you ever been to Cuba, Venezuela, and or N. Korea?
How much money, over the years have you donated to the DNC?
Have you ever dated a conservative and if so, did that relationship last longer than one date?
Are you doing a paper on this, paid for by a grant on the taxpayer's dime?
Gee, SchriSchri, why are you posting here?
This isn't a "lab" and the posters aren't lab animals, for you to watch/experiment on.
No, SchriSchri…………………you have hijacked a thread!
All sites begin threads with an article or topic to be discussed. You took this thread over and attempted to set the rules, insulting everyone who replied to you. And now there is this nic, which has a counter on it and one which does not; both of whom are superciliously posting patently ridiculous garbage.
That is exactly what I think too, dAnconia !
But this idiot troll might be a grad student, who will print this gibberish out and use, somehow, as a "teaching tool" or paper.
SchriSchri…………..you are a CONTROL FREAK !
You hijacked this thread and are trying to set the rules. We aren't falling for that. None of us are cowed nor intimidated by your vocabulary, name calling ( calling others a "bully", when that is what YOU are, is a sign of mental illness ), constantly changing questions, nor your feeble authoritative orders.
In truth, you owe some sort of remuneration to everyone who has replied to you, since you have admitted that you are gathering info here and not a one of us has given you permission to gather nor use that info. And though you have assumed that you are anonymous, you aren't. You signed up here and so, your ISP is known and you can be found and sued. As a matter of fact a class action suit, should you ever use said info, will be filed against you.
I am not going to watch, in fact I will be turning my television off! I don't want the pollsters to think I am watching when I am not. The recap on Fox will be much more palatable and understandable to me.
That would be theft, SchriSchri. The use of anything on this thread does NOT belong to you and should you ever use it, in any way, you are open to a law suit.
Two of these poses are just like the other, two of these things just have to belong.
I find that the way that the president poses is very reminiscent of several other leaders in history. Every time he speaks, with his teleprompters, he strikes a pose that, I guess, is supposed to inspire something.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mussolini_biogr...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Adolf_Hitler_cp...
An article on bloomberg.com says- 'When you think fascism, you think of the evil tyrants of the 20th century. But the first fascist nation in the world was, Goldberg insists, the U.S., and Woodrow Wilson the first fascist dictator.
The case is surprisingly strong. The “progressive” Wilson centralized power, shut down members of the press he didn’t like and pressed his brand of nationalism on American children, who were asked to pledge, “I make a promise that I’ll do my honest, earnest part, in helping my America with all my loyal heart.”
A look at Wilson’s first inaugural address shows it was pure Obama: “I summon all honest men, all patriotic, all forward-looking men, to my side.”
Someone count how many times he says "I"…..I am not going to watch. It sickens me.
Yeah that is much better….we're trying to be a kinder, gentler nation….Throw some "winks-winks" in there.
Behavioral management, interesting. And to what end do you presume to manage anyone's behavior? Perhaps you should consider working with children, or just head over to moveon or any other liberal site, they tend to act like children. When encountering an oddity, walk away to perserve one's sanity. Hope you enjoyed the game, thanks for playing.
Still evading
"Again dAnconia_Copper, back off, and stop trying to bully me. It's weak and pathetic. " If it's weak, it isn't bullying. Which is it? Do you need a kleenex? Cry me a river, or go on timeout if you need to.
If you're learning, you aren't showing it, as your posts are vapid in regards to content. You've posited nothing, offered no "proof" [offered nothing but an unscientific "tally" for that matter]. Your tone is smug and snarky, and far from anything resembling an "academic." You typed a few numbers alone, and numbers sans context are meaningless. If you were trying to prove a point, you failed to make this known anywhere. What you did was in no way empirical, nor even correct. You seem to be a small, angry person, who by snarkily keeping people confused (With your muddled, thesaurus-laden, "posts") delude yourself into thinking that you have the upper hand in a conversation… all the while not putting forth a single idea of your own.
Your evasiveness was the only thing that was intolerable. The content (or in this case, lack thereof) of your character is on full display.
I have no double standard.
Read my original post and my responses.
You are attempting to impose standards.
Is this coercive behavior apparent to you?
What does the metaphor "inject the race card" mean to you?
I have bullied no one.
I made an original post.
I have responded to comments according to the tone and tenor of each counterpart.
What is a "typical leftist tactic?"
What is a "hat trick?"
I would bet they will be the only ones this year!….
dAnconia_Copper, your wish for prestige and status are understandable, considering your bullying behavior.
Analysis is a subset of narrative. Often a very small subheading or series of subheadings in a narrative of breadth and scope.
You have given your remarks a lower status than what I attributed to them.
I'm not doing diagnosis.
I consistently labled one counterpart as a bully.
That is not diagnosis.
It is behavioral management.
What do you think the posture should be when encountering an oddity?
I cannot take him anymore!
Can I high tail it to three years from now?
Because I can't take it, really!
Will Calgon take me three years away?
I always say that, in my head, every time he pulls out that "last 8 years" bit; he can't count. Bujt then, he thinks that the USA is comprised of 58 states.
More like a variable fighter from Macross evading a missile swarm. Or trying.
Hopefully you're giving the SchriSchri individual attention simply out of boredom.
Otherwise there's no real point.