Saturday Open Thread: Bernanke Edition
by PubliusFederal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is up for Senate confirmation for another term. It isn’t going well.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke is up for Senate confirmation for another term. It isn’t going well.

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Tags: Ben Bernanke, Federal Reserve, keynsian economics, Too Big To Fail
Posted Jan 23rd 2010 at 3:31 am in Open Threads |
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Just in case you didn't know the Federal Reserve is a private company of bankers with twelve branch banks that confiscate our money and they have been doing this for almost a hundred years,— this time!They are not part of the United States Government. Yet today they collect hundreds of billions of dollars from American taxpayers every year…….
Thomas Jefferson was adamantly opposed to the idea of a privately owned federal bank and said " I sincerely believe the banking institutions having the issuing power of money are more dangerous to liberty than standing armies".
In December 1913 while many members of Congress were home for Christmas, the Federal Reserve Act was rammed through Congress and was later signed by President Wilson. At a later date, Wilson admitted with remorse, when referring to the Fed."I have unwittingly ruined my country".
This entity NEEDS to be done away with NOW!!!
Well said. The Monster from Jekyll Island is the book – I think that's the title – that lays bare the machinations necessary to create this fraudulent banking entity. Knox was the Secretary of State(?) that signed off on the 16th amendment without the necessary ratification the 3/4 of the states. Check it out. We have duped long enough.
We the people don't need the Federal Reserve, the ruling class does.
We the people don't need Ben Bernanke, the ruling class does.
We the people don't need Timothy Geitner, the ruling class does.
We the people don't need Barack Hussein Obama, the ruling class does…
We the people don't need any more muppets contolling our money…
The best way to get ri of the Fed chairman would be to get rid of the Fed altogether
IF AMERICA RESPONDS IN NOVEMBER; IMPEACH THEM ALL SHOULD BE THE BATTLE CRY!!!
I am all in favor of dumping Bernanke–he is an incompetent dunderhead. Unfortunately, I am sure that ultimately he will be confirmed by the Senate, since there will be too much fear on both sides of the aisle that failure to confirm would lead to financial instability. Remember how the market plunged when the first round of bailouts in 2008 was voted down.
We just keep kicking the can down the road in this nation of ours. Sooner or later, the day of reckoning will come–the longer we delay it, the worse it will be when it happens.
Talk'in about being caught in the middle: this guy doesn't know whether to fish or cut bait;, doesn't whether or not to hold'em or fold'em; doesn't know whther to punt or go for the first down. He's caught dead between doing what is pragmatic and effective and doing what all his left wing bosses want done. He can't win. Bernanke knows that the best thing to do is to cut taxes, limit the role of government, and give the free market system a chance to work. His bosses (Barry the Clown) want more taxes, more government control, and a redistribution of the wealth, all of which are little singular disasters just waiting to happen. We can only hope that public opinion and the pressure of economic realities force the liberals in the White House to do the right thing, because they certainly are not going to do the right thing on their own. .
The Monster from Jekyl Island; it is funny that that particular piece of legislation was passed in the dark of night (on Christmas Eve I believe) in 1913. The ideas behind the Federal Reserve, grew from, and were put forth from the old Warburg banking family, from Germany.
The FED is a private corporation, whose books have never been opened or available for inspection to the public. From the time we went totally off the Gold Standard in 1973, it has been all downhill from there, where the FED essentially prints worthless specie, that is backed by nothing except "The Full Faith and Credit of The United States of America".
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(contd.)
Why did we go off the gold standard? Nixon cut a deal with the Gulf Petro States, wherein all oil produced and sold in the world, would be settled for in US Dollar denominations, hence creating the "Petro-Dollar". Currently, the US alone is importing somewhere from between 5-6 million barrels of oil a day, and we are exporting somewhere around 270 BILLION dollars a year to OPEC members; Gulf Arab states mainly, that hate US. If the price of oil doubles, that dollar figure exported doubles, and costs go up exponentially. It is an unsustainable economic equation.
Helicopter Ben Bernanke is nothing more than a "tool"; a burecratic functionary, no more than the illustrious Alan Greenspan was, no less. He is the "face" put forward, by the FED, and their international puppet-masters, to "speak" for them, and maintain a modicum of control.
Even though we may face market instability, I think we need to bite the bullet and dump Bernanke. Bernanke was only part of the solution when his "pants were on the ground" along with his credibility. Until that time he was certainly part of the problem. I believe the ONLY way his job should be saved is "if" and "when" Bernanke will agree to fully, completely and immediatly surrender to A) the Ron Paul House bill for a full audit of the Federal Reserve as well as B) the Bill presented by I believe Bernie Saunders from Vermont which calls for full and complete disclosure of the names and amounts any and all monies and guarantees said banks recieved on their behalf from the Fed. Reserve.
In essence. if Bernanke will agree to full, complete and immediate transparency with both houses of Congress then he can keep his job for only one more term.
(contd.)
The one opponnent of the FED, who is perhaps the best, well versed, who understands it, and has been ridiculed, and essentially burned in effigy, is Ron Paul, yet that is a topic for another thread.
In my opinion, Helicopter Ben Bernanke needs taking up to about 1,000 feet in a Bell Jet Ranger, and his worthless azz needs booted out the door. Let him freefall, just like he has allowed our economy to freefall.
The impact and splatter would be justifiable
The "federal" Reserve Bank sucks canal water! It is an imposter! It is not looking only after intersts, but other nations as well. For example, Geithner gave…gave France & Germany $5 billion to bail out their auto industries. And, no strings attached! While Mr Obama's Govt buys out our failing GM Auto Co.
I believe but can't document the idea that Pres. Lincoln was shot because he didn't "hook up" with Elite East Coast Bankers. He forgave the Southern War Debt. He issued US Govt currency, not Private Bankers' Currencies or systems.
There isn't enough currency to pay off our Nat'l Debt, as no currency is made available to pay off the interest portion of the debt. In the meantime, Hillary has catered to Communist China for a Loan and they are probably involved in "federal" Reserve system.
If someone believes that the Fed is a US Govt institution, simply look them up in the phone book, under 'US GOVT" Offices….They are not listed.
Why does this guy want to be fed chairman?? We need a way to monitor the rise and fall of net worth among our public servants. Kinda like an IRS run by the public.
Then came the Graduated Income Tax…
That and a privately controlled banking system were goals of Marxism.
As much as I hate to say it I have to agree with you.. If Bernanke isn't confirmed the stock market could drop as much as 1000 points if not more, causeing more unemployment at a time when the country is slowly coming back ( despite the government ineptitude to create jobs )..
Besides we would have Obama and crew picking a new chairman now that makes me shutter more then Bernanke being confirmed..
At this point we need to pick the lesser of 2 evils..
As A tea Party person I realize we need to pick our battles wisely and focus on removing any and all members of congress that voted for Tarp/Stimulus/ Health Care first, then move to bigger fish !!
I wonder who obama would nominate in his place. Maybe Janet Napolitano? I hear Van Jones is looking for a job. Or Larry Summers? The obama talent pool is just so large.
He'd probably look less like a registered sex offender without the beard.
Thanks for the great post…Boy, did "We the people"
sit on our hands way too long!!…It's time to vote in
people that will try to dismantle some of the crap
that was passed years ago, and recently…
I learned years ago in business, to never trust a man with a beard, or a mustache. They are ALWAYS hiding something……….
I'm in agreement with the crowd that believes the FED/RES is an organization that first serves the worlds ultra-elite and their agenda. I watched Bernanke squirm and parse words when asked in hearings about constitutional authority for many of their actions over the past year. I would be happy to see the FED/RES powers diminished tremendously. BUT – I think that's missing the core point. It's the financial system that they enabled and practice that is the most damaging to our country. Bretton-Woods is a debt based system. If every debt was paid off in full there would be zero dollars in our economy. Our economy's health depending on debt inevitably puts the FED/GOV in opposition to the basic financial principles that our individual families must practice to build wealth. FED/GOV must choose to promote you and I being in debt in order for the Bretton-Woods financial system to be healthy. IT'S A PONZIE SCHEME, no different than Madoff's was except it was legalized in 1913. Ponzie schemes cannot survive forever, they inevitably will fail. Usually right after it has sucked all the wealth from the fools who believe in it.
Okay ! we know that “ We The people “ are to dumb to know anything .
So i want to know — When does this progressive movement become treason ? in trying to over through the Constitutional Government of the US .
You are absolutely correct in one respect, regarding Ponzi schemes. Social Security and Medi-care are Ponzi schemes. They are social compacts, made with citizens, and are a promise to pay, at a future date and time, yet to be reached. When Social Security was conceived, the reason the mandatory retirement age was set at 65, was because the average American died at about 60, or 62 years of age. Slick, eh?
The problem now is, people have outlived the money, all due to a great healthcare system. Now you know, why under Obamacare, there will be death panels. To reduce those eligible for Social Security. Gotta hand it to those Government tyoes, eh> They are slicker than snot on a greased doorhandle.
I'm not sure of your tone, as written words lack emotion. Are you being sarcastic or serious?
And I believe you meant to say "overthrow" instead of "over through"?
In my state, it's useless to call my US Senators, but I did anyway (Durbin and Burris, Illinois) to tell them to support (I think) Demint's "Hold" on the Bernake confirmation vote UNTIL the "Audit the Fed" measure is a done deal. Burris' office confirmed they're getting a flood of calls on the issue, nearly all in favor of blocking the confirmation vote pending a favorable audit decision. Info on this came into my e-mail from Campaign for Liberty – sorry I don't have the particulars on hand (or in mind), as I deleted the e-mail after making my calls, but anyone interested in adding to the weight of the confirmation block should be able to find the data with a Google (or BINK) search. Good luck to all of us with this.
Yes the talent pool is large, and very shallow.
On the other hand, everything that has been done for the past 18 months has only prolonged the implosion of this very fragile Ponzi scheme–and we all know it. Even after pouring all that tax money into Wall St, the market fell anyway. A lot of folks don't know this but before the Great Depression, the market rallied above 20% of their lows 5x before the bottom finally gave out. China says there's not enough in the world to buy up US debt. There's talk of DC taking control of 401k plans ala Argentina because the US can't sell Treasury bonds and they desperately need revenue streams.
http://www.sprott.com/Docs/MarketsataGlance/12_20...
No, kicking this down the road doesn't kick it to "somebody else"…those somebodies are our kids…and our grandkids.There's some hard days ahead of us, we should get busy doing what needs doing. I hear you about picking our battles but we're geared up like we haven't been in 200 years.
In for a penny in for a pound.
"Gotta hand it to those Government types, eh? They are slicker than snot on a greased doorhandle. "
yeah CL, they are. which is why our founders put into the recipe that created the greatest country in history that the citizens must view politics and politicians with disdain and great skepticism. – as a whole now we view them as respectectable or even heroic. it's just not compatible with the recipe and will not produce a palatable product.
For all of the praises heaped upon Bernanke about what an expert he is on the Great Depression, he sure missed the mark on what led up the financial meltdown of our time. And he should not have missed it–that was his job. There were economists aplenty waving red flags, jumping up and down and shouting warnings from the mountain tops as early as 2001 that we were headed for catastrophe and needed to tack another course.
For all of his expertise, seems the only-and I do mean ONLY-winner has been Goldman Sachs.
Can I get an Amen?
Story told by an Economics Professor at UC Irvine 30 years ago:
"Think about it. Our steel industry is declining and we've shipped it overseas along with some other industry based productions. But along with that, we've shipped the pollution as well. In return we give them the US Dollar, or little pieces of paper. So we get oil, thereby reserving our stores of oil, we get steel and other products that we need and they get little pieces of paper. Pieces of paper, by the way, that those countries then turn around and invest back into our economy. And we don't have the problems of production. What happens if we decided not to honor those little pieces of paper? (Imagine a grizzled old professor extending his middle finger.)
At the end of the day, all they have are little pieces of paper. It's a beautiful strategy and win-win for us."
I heard that story 2nd hand so it is paraphrased. I'm sure the gentleman was far more eloquent in his prescient telling. I've been thinking about that story a lot lately.
BINGO!
This is why we need term limits and campaign finance reform. Politicians need to become "Public Servants".
Get the richy rich who buy their office out. get ordinary Joe's and Jane's into office.
I think it should be like getting drafted, one day a letter arrives and it is your turn in the barrel to run for Congress or Senate, or whatever, with strict term limits and INCOME RESTRICTIONS (no outside money at all while in office, not able to profit from your service AFTER your terms are up).
How's that sound?
a little of both ! but the word "overthrow" is ( serious ).
I am all for term limits. They should serve two terms.
One term in office.
One term in the hoosegow,
Your story is the perfect analogy, and illustration.
Little pieces of paper.
"Backed by the Full Faith and Credit of The United States of America."
And "they" ridiculed Ken Lay and Bernie Madoff? Those guys were pikers compared to the Government.
BwaaaaHaaaaHaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ask yourself this question. Would you let Bernanke take charge of the Post Office? Tough call but puts it in perspective on where he should NOT be in the "system".
Love your handle sir!
And Thanks for your service!
Cowboy,
You crack me up…
hey, hey now, some of us are just too lazy to shave!!!
I'm just saying you get drafted to run, for the primary… Maybe that will sift out the nutjobs and empty sacks…
Whatever we do, something needs to change. I'm sick of people "Buying" elections, and I'm sick of slick sacks of sh!t who have NO EXPERIENCE in the real world (gosh like ObaMao, and Bidunce) getting into office and polluting our country for 40 fricking years like the Kopechne Killer did.
I don't really want to be a Congressman or Senator of any sort. I don't want the invasion of my family's privacy, nor the cut in pay, and especially not the lobotomy, but we NEED people who are…
1 – Honest
2 – Ethical (kinda goes with 1)
3 – Decent
We are NOT getting many of them under the current methods.
I disagree.
The muppets are certainly more intelligent than the current cabal of criminal, corpulent, crass, creatins.
It should be done by conscription, when your number comes up, your assets are locked, your employer is recompensed for your absence, and your job is secure for when you are done.
The kicker is this:
You go to Washington, and like the Service, you have housing, meals etc.
You will be judged by the fiscal state of the Nation when your term is up, if there is a loss, your assets are depleted a matching percentage. If there is a net gain your assets will be enhanced by that same percentage.
Motivated self-interest will balance the budget within 2 terms.
The lid blew off in Massachusetts last Tuesday. The cloud of dust seen over the Capitol is being created by a panicked congress racing to 'moral high ground'. They will throw anyone under the bus to save their own skins.
One exception. Jim DeMint has it right. Failed to include that. sorry.
Good post spot on.
Of course, you're correct about that. My point, vague as it was, was that he can't do what's effective because he is beholding to the politics of Barry's thinking. I think he heldp captive by the bars of socialistic thinking.
Charles Krauthammer is the best.
And it seems that all that "talent" has waded in over its head.
He is. Makes the right point very well with a sense of humor, although a dry one. – I sometimes wonder if I get such a kick out of him because he reminds me of Monk :~}
Article about the situation in CA… an augur of what is to come in America if we keep on our current path: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703...
Here is what is going to happen with Bernanke: He will get grilled by the senate (which will involve lots of grandstanding, what did you dos??, a lot of moving deserved blame on them to him, lots of feigned outrage and fist pounding and then they will send him back home to the fed.
Something like "The people are disgusted and frustrated by the fat cat wall streeters…"
Relatedly, anyone notice the re emergence of Paul Volcker?
Yes, President Kennedy wanted to Federalize the Federal reserve, and look what happened to him.
The biggest scam on the planet, a group of private banksters printing money, then lending it to the government, and having the tax payer pay it back with interest!
This could not be possible without the US dollar being the oil currency, where all nations must use US dollars in order to purchase oil. Iraq prior to being invaded, was threatening to switch to the Euro, because of the falling US dollar, Iran is another nation who has made similar threats, it does make you wonder!!!!
JOHN B. TAYLOR FOR FED CHAIRMAN!!!!!!!!!!!
Taylor would be a clear signal to investors, small businesses and the Tea Party Movement that Obama is serious.
Read his WSJ Op-Ed here. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB40001424052748703...
John Taylor from Stanford University is the TICKET.
Breitbart. This is worth a mini-crusade.
Enoughallready~
I am an advocate of voting for the lessor of 2 evils until we have like minded members in Congress who are representing their constituents. Yes, the good thing about Obama's admin is it woke us up. We needed to be awakened.
In this thread, I was speaking specifically about Bernanke's re-confirmation to the Fed. I not only say no, but "Hell NO!" I reject that he is the only man on the planet that can lead us out of the financial meltdown.
There is a scene in the movie "All The President's Men" where the Bob Woodward character is on the phone to "DeepThroat". He is incredulous about the abject stupidity of the Watergate caper. DeepThroat says to Bob Woodward:
"You're mistake is in assuming that these are very bright men and they just are not. These are very ordinary men." (Something like that.)
It is the same here. We assume that those in DC are somehow gifted and brighter than ordinary folks but they're not. They put on their pants one leg at a time just like us. Their mistakes are brilliantly more colossal than ours.
Those extraordinarily brilliant whiz kids who devised the credit derivative swaps couldn't even explain to each other how it worked exactly. Bernanke should have been the wise old man playing gatekeeper to prevent it. Because he didn't….he should go down in history as a failure. Because he is. He failed at his job. Instead, because all his life's investment is in Goldman Sachs. He'll do just fine.
And the absence of Timmy "Turbo Tax" Geithner?
We CANNOT continue to just hold our noses and hope for the lesser of two evils. If Obama is incapable of appointing someone "worthy" of controlling the Fed, then so be-it. If the Fed doesn't have a chairman for the next 3 years, who cares! Either the right people are put in place, or no people. The market will take a hit regardless. Stop buying into the scare tactics. Besides, if your worried about the market taking a hit, then you need to give Obama a call, and tell him to stop talking…!
We HAVE to get out of the lesser of two evils mindset. NO MORE…!
WATCH OUT MISSOURI VOTERS ROBIN CARNAHAN AND RUSS CARNAHAN ARE HOOKED UP WITH OBAMAS ACORN
No.
I don't.
There is nothing respectable or heroic about any of them. I rank politicians right down there with IRS agents. They are lower than whale shit.
In my opinion, they ONLY reason one becomes a politician, is they are too lazy, too uneducated, or too incapable to work for a living. Look at the Kennedy Dynasty. That was always their "higher calling". What a crock of bull. It was an easy way to milk the suckers and saps.
The problem is that whatever the correct response is, the current CINC, SpeakHer, and Senate MaWhority Leader will push their evil minions to do the WRONG thing.
We can count on that…
1st reaction – it sounds much better than where we are now.
but then the thought of my some of my relatives getting their call to duty is pretty scary. Their cluelessness is damaging enough on the small scale of just a family. Just not sure I'd want to grow that scale any.
………and it needs some clorox to disinfect it.
You might be right, I've been thinking about this for a bit today and voting for the lesser of 2 evils has America where we are now.. In Fact most here voted for John McCain the lesser of 2 evils and I think if we look back to our votes and knowing what we know now we all should have voted for Obama.. Think about it for a bit, If McCain had won would we have the LARGE movement or would it have been reduced with less power and passion that it has grown to be?? The liberal progressives wouldn't of had closed door meetings ( McCain may have vetoed if so ) and they would have worked some what with the republican progressives, we could be sitting here talking about how bad the health care bill is that McCain signed into law.. Bottom line is if McCain had won Brown most likely wouldn't have!!
We still need to change the congress with like minded members that will look at the constitution first rather then let the courts decide after they pass un-constitutional laws, without this we will be here 10 years from now screaming about the same issues, IE: choose our battles wisely !!
Excuse me, but, does anyone know when Bernie Madoff gets out?
I write to my Senators every day.
Dear Bob Casey & Arlen Specter
…………………Please hang yourself………………………..
……………………………………………Thank You…………………………………………
It's kinda scary if you think about it..those private bankers, being the ones who hold our financial future over our heads??
AMEN!!
Aww…Come on Cowboy….my husband sports a close shaven beard and is quite good looking…:) you gotta pay attention to the look in their eyes…more reliable..eyes are the windows to the soul…
We need to take them all..The president has lied too many times, and our money was being spent time after time. He needs to get out there…money we don't even have was printed. Now the president is changing his tone alittle. Who is fooling. He is still up to his stuff.So,what makes you think this man is not. He is worth less.Get him out.
Do not vote for this fellow. There are no indispensable men; let him go and get a new set of eyeballs on the situation.