Monday Open Thread: Warsaw Edition

We would all do well to dust off our history books and study this period. It's all about committment and survival. I am not Jewish but love the people for their contributions to science, math and society in general. What I will NEVER understand, however, is the Jewish political inversion in supporting the democrats and leftist ideaologues. You will rarely if ever see a Jew on welfare. Just puzzles the hell out of me.

Hitler's socialist ideology run amouck, the govt. given the power to condemn a religion, debt financed prosperity, bad stuff

As a member of the tribe myself, I echo your lack of comprehension. Dems play off of the historical tendency of Jews to view themselves as, and to identify with, "the little guy"–whomever that might be in the context of the current political calculus. They fail to see the "Judeo" portion of the Judeo-Christian ethos which informed the sensibilities of the founders, and thereby fail to perceive that their more natural political home would be with the party that more nearly is the descendant of the founders' great works.

I don't know who originally said it, but it bears repeating: "Jews earn money like Episcopalians, and vote like Puerto RIcans."

(And to all of our Hispanic friends, please don't start flaming me over that line. Just quoting some political operative who made a pithy comment. I think that the GOP is the natural home of Hispanic-Americans as well.)

Here's how it makes sense, though it's hard to fit into a short sentence:
The adoption of right-wing ideology by the left-wing during the early 20th century morphed the definitions of right- and left-wing into each other.

…if not STOPPED, this horrid scene could be OKC, Detroit, Omaha… and Dallas ~ within just a few years. It won't be our Jewish friends (alone), but any PERCEIVED enemy of the "State" (DC).

The following is from a post on a New Zealand blog site (from a 'thanked for' link on another thread/site…). I urge every American and patriot to read it.

I will post it in two segments…

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How Totalitarianism Came To Austria… SOUNDS FAMILIAR

84 year old Kitty Werthmann is the head of the South Dakota chapter of Eagle Forum.

She was born in Austria and lived for seven years under Nazi rule.

She eventually came to the United States in 1950 to become a naturalized citizen in 1962.

Here she dispels some myths about the Nazi annexation of Austria and offers a warning to what remains of the West.

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What I'm about to tell you is something you've probably never read, or will ever read in history books. I believe that I'm an eyewitness to history. I cannot tell you that Hitler took Austria by tanks and guns; it would distort history. We elected Hitler by 98% of the vote. I've never read that in any American publication. Everyone thinks that Hitler just rolled in with his tanks and took Austria over.

In 1938, Austria was in deep depression. We had nearly one third of our workforce unemployed, 25% inflation, and a 25% interest rate from banks. Farmers and business people were declaring bankruptcy every day. Young people were going from house to house begging for food. Not that they didn't want to work, but there simply wasn't any work. My mother was a very devout woman who believed that you have to help the people in need. I remember she had a big kettle of soup every day, on the stove, and we baked bread to feed those poor hungry people, about thirty each day.

The Communist Party and the National Socialist Party were fighting each other. Blocks and blocks of cities like Vienna, Lenzt, and Grotz were being destroyed. The people became desperate, and petitioned the government to let the people decide what kind of government they wanted. We looked to our neighbor on the north, Germany, where Hitler had been in power since 1933. We had been told that they didn't have unemployment or crime. But they did have a high living standard. There was nothing being said of persecution of anyone, Jewish or otherwise, just that every one was happy. We wanted the same thing for Austria. We were promised that if we would vote for Hitler, everyone would be employed in two or three weeks, and he would help the family. He also said that businesses would be helped. And the farmers would get their farms back.

98% of the population voted to annex Austria to Germany, and have Hitler be our ruler. We were so joyful that for three days we danced in the streets and had candlelight parades. They opened up big field kitchens and everyone was fed. After the election, everyone was appointed from Germany. Like a miracle, suddenly we had law and order. Three or four weeks later, everyone was employed. The government made sure that a lot of work was being created by the Public Work Service.

Hitler decided we should have equal rights for women. Before this, it was a custom that married women did not work outside of the home. The husband would be looked down (upon) because he couldn't support a family. The teaching profession was overjoyed that women could go back to the jobs they gave up for marriage. Our education was nationalized. I attended a very good school; 98% of the population was Catholic at that time, so we had religion in our schools. the day we elected Hitler, March 13, 1938, I walked into my schoolroom and where we had a cruxifix it was replaced with Hitler's picture and the flag. Our teacher, a very devout woman, stood up and told the class that we wouldn't pray or have religion anymore. We sang Deutshland, Deutshland Uber Alis and had physical education instead. Our parents were not happy about the sudden change.

…MORE IN THE NEXT POST.

How Totalitarianism Came To Austria… SOUNDS FAMILIAR (cont.)

As for welfare, our tax rates went up to 80%. Any young couple who got married immediately received a one thousand dollar loan from the government to establish a household. We had big programs for families. All day-care and education was free. Going to college was subsidized, and high school was taken over by the government. Everyone who was entitled to something, whether it was food-stamps, clothing, or subsidized housing, was given it by the government.

We had another agency designed to control the businesses. I had a brother-in-law who's restaurant had square tables and chairs. The government told him he had to have round tables because people can bump themselves on the corners. Then they said he had to have more bathroom facilities. It was just a small business; a dairy business with a snack bar. His business couldn't survive with all the demands. Soon, he went out of business. If the government owned the large businesses, and not many small businesses existed, they could be in control. We had consumer protection. We were told how we should shop, and what we should buy. Free enterprise was literally abolished. We had a planning agency, espeially designed for farmers and private property owners. The agents would go to the farms, count the livestock, then tell the farmer what to produce and how to produce it.

In 1944, I was a student teacher in a small village in the Alps. The villages were surrounded by mountain passes which in the winter were closed off, with snow causing people to be isolated. So people inter-married. By genetic, the offspring were often retarded. When I got there I was told there were fifteen adult mentally retarded people, but they were all useful and did good manual work. I knew one named Vincent really well. He was the janitor of the school. One day I looked out the window and saw Vincent and others getting into a van. I asked my superior what they were doing. She said it was the state health department, taking him to an institution to teach him a trade, and to read and write. The families had to sign a paper. The paper had a little clause that they could not visit for six months, because it would interfere with their program and they might get homesick. When the six months passed, letters started to dribble back saying these people died a natural, merciful death. The villagers were not ignorant. We suspected what was happening. Those people all left in excellent physcial health, and all died within six months. We called this euthanasia.

Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler also said that the real way to catch the criminals (and we still had a few) was by the serial numbers of the guns, so we had to register our guns. Most of the people were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station and registered their guns. Not long afterward, they said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. They already knew who had the guns, so you had to turn them in, or they would come and get them.

We knew then that we had a full dictatorship. No more freedom of speech. If you said anything against the government, you were taken away. We knew many people who were taken away, not only Jews, but priests and ministers. It didn't come overnight, it took five years from 1938 until 1943 to graduate into dictatorship. If we (would have) had a dictatorship overnight, we would have fought to our last breath, but we had creeping gradualism.

Now we had nothing except broom-handles. The whole thing was almost unbelievable; that you can feed all this to the masses, little by little and no one would object. It's true, those of us who sailed past the Statue of Liberty, came to a country of unbelievable freedom and opportunity. America is the greatest country in the world. Don't let freedom slip away. After America, there is no place to go.

That's right.

After America, there is no place to go.

If we lose freedom in America, we lose freedom everywhere.

There will be no place to run. ~from a blog post by Trevor Loudon~

Guns would not have prevented the Nazis from coming after them. But freedom of speech and the press would have.

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I have been to the Warsaw Uprising Museum. Very moving. 6 million Polish people lost their lives both to German and to Russia. National Socialist, Socialist, and Communist: all part of the same thing. Watch out America. The people who are comfortable want to remain so, and won't object to the incremental loss of liberty. That is why the Middle Class makes me so angry. We don't want to put it out there. And the class that benefits? Well, they stand to lose nothing taking your money away through the US gov. Enjoy your time America, you don't get this kind of change because it falls on you. You get it because you do nothing.

Yeah, why is it that American Jews vote predominantly Democratic?

Maybe it's you…

freedom of speech and press must be supported by guns. If not you have what they had, nothing.

I feel compelled to post this…
I for one am getting sick and tired of the resident troll's
ignorant, boorish remarks…He feels he's superior, and
just spams and goes from post to post with some smart
aleck remark…He spews nothing but left wing talking
points, and I will not bite….He won't get a direct response
from me..He can go on and talk to himself in his padded
cell……..

Thank you for posting this because it beautifully proves my point. I had drinks with a Polish friend yesterday and we spoke of the sensitivity and admiratrion US conservatives have toward Eastern Europe and especially Poland.
The fact that with very important political news stories happening this week BG posting this date in Polish history tells much about who we are as conservatives and what are vaules are.
I am proud to be a loyal reader of Big Government.

It is pretty obvious this woman has never read a history book. Her childhood memories are distorted by time and scale. The official vote total for the April 10th, 1938 elections shows 99.73 percent voted for annexation. By that time Hitler had 70,000 troops in Austria and it was the Nazis who conducted the "election". We will never know the true totals.

Hitler was popular in Austria… in fact he was born there. But nobody ever gets 99 percent of the vote on anything. So to suggest none of this is recorded in history books is conspiracy nonsense.

lol, your right, I didn't even notice that…I feel
he's a student of Saul Alinsky, and not worth
a response…..

The posts on this page tell us all we need to know about who conservatives are. I want all Americans to see who you really are.

I knew this would be a fun topic when I saw the tragic Holocaust photo and then the angry bloggers began to wonder, "why won't American Jews vote for Republicans". All of you are mystified because you love them so much, why don't they return the love? Well, I could write for two days on that subject, but let's just say the short answer is the same reason blacks don't vote Republican…. real Goldwater and Howard Baker conservatives forced out of power and have been replaced by the crazy right. George W. Bush was a lot of things, but he was no conservative.

The guns would not have prevented him, but I'll bet things would've been the same. It would've been alot clearer to England, France and the U.S. that Hitler was not going to take no for an answer. The last thing Hitler wanted was any armed defense of Austria, ergo guns.

From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anschluss
"This may be seen in the demand to remove the chief of staff of the Austrian Army, Alfred Jansa, from his position in January 1938. Jansa and his staff had developed a scenario for Austria's defense against a German attack, a situation Hitler wanted to avoid at all costs. Schuschnigg subsequently complied with the demand."

I'd rather walk softly and carry a big gun. Evil does exist and sometimes only superior firepower will prevail.

I'll bet he's a paid troll too.

BTW, here's link to the same thing.
http://www.defendingthetruth.com/off-topic/30503-...

Should true conservatives, state rights supporters, and Tea Party supporters move and campaign to rescind the 17th Amendment to the Constitution?

Fundamentally it is the biggest flaw to balance of power today. Senators are SUPPOSED to represent their STATE (therefore be a voice of the government of that state) into the Federal body.

Today they are just glorified Congressional Representatives.

I saw Napolitano cover this on a DVR'd Glenn Beck and I recalled when I was studying the amendments I always thought the 17th was misguided.

So what is the CORRECT position for those of us Constitutionalists to support?

Thanks in advance for your thoughtful consideration.

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Got to respect what Favre's doing, albeit with great players around him.

Leon Uris' novel about the Ghetto Uprising, "Mila 18," is worth a read. It is novelized history but it gives a graphic account of how horrible conditions in the Warsaw Ghetto were and how savage the fighting was.

"Mila" in Polish, ironically, means "nice." "Mila 18" was the address of the final bunker in which the Jews held out, "Nice Street # 18."

It isn't marked by much now. The bunker's location is visible but it didn't have any noticeable markers when I saw it.

The Warsaw Uprising, about a year later, is memorialized in several books and films, most vividly in a Polish film called "Kanal." "Canal" refers to the sewers into which the remaining Polish Underground Army of Resistance fled to continue fighting when they were cornered. A monument to the uprising is rather massive but across the street is one that is poignant – a bronze of a priest blessing fighters as they descend through a manhole into a sewer.

While the Warsaw Uprising went on for six weeks, the Soviet Army pulled up short on the east side of the Vistula River in Warsaw and allowed the Poles to be massacred and take as many Nazis with them as possible, rather than come to the Poles' aid. A Russian monument on the east side of the river memorializing the Russians' "liberation" of Warsaw is the least attended and cared-for monument in Warsaw.

Back to the Ghetto Uprising. The Holocaust Memorial in Warsaw, along with the memorial at Umschlagplatz, the location of the train siding where Jews were loaded into boxcars for their final journey, are both worth a visit. Very sobering and melancholy.

After learning more and more about how gawdawful life (if they managed to hang onto it) for Jews was in Hitler's Europe, I'm given a much better understanding of Israel's hard line in just about everything, with the major exception of the USS LIBERTY "incident."

Ignorance of history, economics, and finance all of which are distorted horribly by the race hustlers and lying pols who want their money, support, and votes.

Dear 'mikatollah',

Sir/Ma'am… you stated with bold authority the following:

"They (Jews) were driven out of the party by right wing extremists. And they would know what one looks like."

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Again, I ask you to study history a bit (a fuller knowledge of it will, at the least, strengthen your arguments…).

There was NOTHING "right", or "rightwing" about Hitler… his minions… their plans… and most definitely their ACTIONS (by any historic definition of the terms).

NOTHING.

…so, just exactly what/who serve as your historic reference for the Jews "knowing"?

Respectfully,
CM Sackett

That was funny.

The Original Million Mom March against Gun Control
http://www.barefootsworld.net/1stmillionmom.html

Molon Lave.

Look how you Jews have been treating the Palestinians. Makes it hard to believe the narrative of you guys being victims yet so quickly victimize others.

Just curious, do you love WHITE people for their contributions to science, math and society in general? They are all FAR greater than Jews. Just curious if this brainwashing you have received in life can stand proper introspection.

Your brainwashing is pretty evident in your supposed inability to understand how Jews can be leftist….when Lefist ideology is a JEWISH CONCEPT. Look at communists in the Soviet Union as well as the US – many of them are Jews. Know "Trotsky's" real name? Lev Davidovich Bronstein. You have been lied to your whole life.

He didn't "turn" conservative – he is a neocon who has co-opted the likes of you to funnel YOUR money and YOUR blood and YOUR life in to serving his real master – Israel – a foreign country.

Just curious, if everyone hates you….could the problem be…..YOU. Or is it everyone else? Why do you continue to absolve Jews for blame of being hated by everyone? Just think, if a bunch of PC leftists begin to hate you, as YOU posit (which is absurd) think of how justified it might be.

If you think Israel is justified in stealing land then you are a wacko.

They were "annihilated"? Then how did so many of them appear in the US? Are they zombies or are you just stupid? The Red Cross were allowed in to the camps – why would Hitler do that if he was doing what is claimed? They said only half a million died due to typhus (which was also killing people in Russia, etc….)

Did you know that Jews tried to play this sympathy card after World War ONE? Guess what number they came up with. Guess. That's right – SIX MILLION Jews. Only, people didn't buy it that time so it went away but here is the propaganda ad…..

http://www.codoh.com/incon/incrucifix.html

Oy vey, oy vey – always a victim……..

See you in New Orleans

You might want to consider the difference between "nominal" Jews and practicing Jews. I think you'll find a significant portion of those opposed to the RKBA do not practice their faith. They also tend to be Democrats. Quelle surprise!

-65 everyone hates who?
hehehe

Don't pay Mik any attention CM, he is just trolling again, licking his wounds because his Cowboys lost yesterday, beaten by a 40 year old man.
And the funny thing is, tomorrow will be even worse when he sees the 'right wing fringe' steel the 'people seat' from that bastion of justice AG Coakly.
CM thanks for an enlighting post…

You two, m&f, are simply retarded in your cognitive thought process.That's right, Hitler was a socialist.But that's really a moot point, isn't it? Facism, communism, socialism, dosen't really matter what name you assign to tyranny, it's still tyranny. Different name, same face.Do you really think any despot is different from the next?And if you can't at least discern the parallels between the current administration in power and all of these former dictators, then you're simply beyond hope……….

Nobody would pay this dweeb, he's simply a troll with too much time on his hands…….. Hanzo

Welllll, actually, far-left and far-right were never far from eachother. The far-left(marxism, etc.) always went hand in hand with the far-right(facism). Different name, same face, same results. Always was and always will be this way. Nothing is new under the Sun………….. Hanzo

Ha ha ha, I love it. As usual, mika, you've bitten of more than you can chew, and these two thoughtful posters have schooled you, once again……. Hanzo

So true, and even if they are identified as "far-right", the political "circle", as it were, has the nazi's and communists side by side, if you go far enough around in the circle. The apparent(to me and you) pursuit of like minded idealogy between the nazi's and commie's has always made me wonder why people have attempted to seperate them, due in part, to some degree, because the soviets were our "allies" in WW2, coupled with communist/socialist sympathies in our msm. Tyranny is tyranny, no matter which name is attached to it. Nice post,StS ………. Hanzo

Knowing the history of the Jewish people, it is unimaginable that they would soft peddle and vote for a democrat that has no intention of helping Israel! I guess it's because Obama had a good speech writer, the spin all the lies he told during his campaign…I actually feel bad that the Jewish people in America were so taken in by such a hate monger!!

Excellent post, Alcove. That's true, and the Conservative of all Conservatives in the last 75 years, Ronald Reagan, had more to do with freedom from Communist USSR for Eastern Europe than anyone else in the world……..

David, what, exactly, do you consider the flawed part of the 17th amendment? Please expound your position precisely. Thanks for the thoughtful post, should make for interesting conversation …….. Hanzo

Excellent post, Maggio. Thank you for the thoughtful, well-written piece………….

It appears the ad hom "mattacks" have already begun. And thanks for the advice on the spellchecker… I'll do that.

'George W. Bush was a lot of things, but he was no conservative.'
Even a blind squirrel find a nut once in awhile.
What a nail biter yesterday huh?
Ready for more of the same tomorrow?

You need to go back and read the original post.

Well, even if that were so, at least they took the trouble of READING something, Herr Goebbels.