Al-Qaeda Terrorist May Be Offered Plea Agreement: Administration Defends Decision
by PubliusJaw-dropping story in today’s Washington Post:
President Obama’s chief counterterrorism adviser on Sunday defended the administration’s decision to try in federal court the man charged with attempting to bomb an airliner on Christmas Day and indicated that he would be offered a plea agreement to persuade him to reveal what he knows about al-Qaeda operations in Yemen.
Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the 23-year-old Nigerian charged with the failed attempt on the Amsterdam-to-Detroit flight, was initially “talking to people who detained him” but now has a public defender and “doesn’t have to,” John O. Brennan said on “Fox News Sunday.”
“We have different ways of obtaining information from individuals” in the criminal-justice process, Brennan said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “A lot of people . . . understand what they’re facing, and their lawyers recognize that there is advantage to talking to us in terms of plea agreements, [and] we’re going to pursue that.” Brennan told CNN’s “State of the Union” that other terrorism suspects have “given us very valuable information as they’ve gone through the plea-agreement process.”
Consider this excerpt:
Abdulmutallab’s father “said he was consorting with extremists in Yemen,” Brennan added. “. . . He was concerned about him, he wanted our help. That was one set of data. We had, though, other data within the intelligence system . . . that didn’t give us the clarity we needed to be able to map it and attach it to Abdulmutallab.”
Read the whole article here. Whiskey, tango, foxtrot…they’re going to offer the bomber a plea agreement?? Brennan states that, despite warnings from the bomber’s own father, the Administration didn’t have the “clarity” to determine Mr. Abdulmutallab was a threat. Offering him a plea agreement–through his court-appointed public defender–suggests the Administration won’t achieve “clarity” anytime soon.
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Plea agreement … ah America at it's finest
what does he have to plea on … why isn't he at Gitmo sucking on a water hose by now !!!!!!
Oh that's right .. he "lawyered up" on OUR dime !!!!
For goodness sake! Please stop this madness. Prosecute him to the fullest extent of the law. *sigh*
Will he get bail?
Once again this administration decides to bow to extremist organizations and offer American rights and priviledges to terrorists. When is this going to stop? I served 25 years in the military, and when a person alignes with terrorist organizations, commits or attempts to commit terrorists acts, that person is labeled a terrorists (aka enemy combatant) and tried in a military tribunal. Just because he doesn't wear the uniform of a nation doesn't make him an ordinary criminal. Plea deal my a**. When does Obama plan to make a trip to Yemen and apologize for this???
So this is our alternative to Gitmo? Plea deals?
Heaven help us!
No problem. Short trial, sentenced to years in prison, pardoned and released to his rich daddy. No one will find the millions that appear in O'Dumbo's off shore bank account. A bribe to the president is no different than the bribes Peeloshi and Reid are passing around in congress since the Fringe media (former MSM) always turn a blind eye to a democrat criminal.
Just waterboard the prick.
sure he will & a plush hotel room with room service …all on our dime!
He kind of looks like Obama. Maybe a relative? Just "axing"…………………………….
No smoking gun? The would be bomber's physician father outed him to authorities but in a politicized intel spin that doesn't give us a smoking gun. Now we're reduced to plea bargaining for info from an admitted Islamofascist. Gotta hand it to the libs, they continue to confound me at every turn.
imagine if you will, the howls that would come from the fringe media if a conservative president were in charge.. if they took this route, then we would be sacrificing the safety of the country – if we took the Gitmo route, then they would be promoting torture on this poor, misguided boy. face it folks, the lefties are just beyond what can be explained rationally.
As long as he votes Democrat in 2010 [ACORN registration], is there really a problem here? [hehe]
276 counts of attempted murder … and he gets a plea deal. I say execute him.
If rumors of his injuries are accurate, he wouldn't have a need for those 72 virgins anyway.
This is someone who was willing to blow himself up for his cause. WTF would anyone trust ANY info coming from this scumbag? Besides haven't they determined that his father is a proponent of radical Islam as well? Now all terrorists will know there are no consequences for their actions –Obama has given them carte blanche . Typical leftist mindset.
Someone forgot to tell him they are are MALE virgins ….
I'd sure like to know how much the lone "pirate" we caught off Somilia weighs now… I'll bet he has gained 20 pounds !!! Hell, he'll never leave !!!
Uh….., it's an act of war mister President. You'd best get your admnistration out of your assertions that we are not fighting a war on terror. WE are….you aren't.
Can America survive until 2012? I guess we'll have to see….
He'll get off when they discover that his rich daddy contributed to Obama's campaign fund. Better yet, they will probably find out that he is Obama's cousin.
COME ON AMERICA WAKE THE HECK UP!!! WE HAVE A MUSLIM AND/OR MUSLIM SYMPATHIZER IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
And for what? Obama Administration Disappointed by Latest Message from al-Qaeda (click image to enlarge) http://optoons.blogspot.com/2010/01/obama-adminis...
Gotta love our liberal douche bag president. What a dick.
He is black; therefore, no questions may be "axed". Glad to help.
I thought we didn’t negotiate with terrorist???????
That's the problem with stuffing them into the criminal justice pipeline, THEY ARE prosecuting him to the fullest. He should be in gitmo having 'near-drowning' experiences by now.
Brothers …
whiskey tango foxtrot indeed…
But what does one expect from this lot? Plus this whole thing stinks to high heaven. It smells of a 'false flag' operation and the cover up already seems to be well in place. Will we ever know about the 'well dressed man' who got him on the plane, or why his father talked to the CIA?
Something here is rotten in Denmark- or make that Amsterdam…
Is anyone surprised that the muslim-in-chief is taking care of one of his own? Treason, pure and simple.
What a POS we have in our boy Barry!
Well, if this sort of thing persists it won't be long before "plea bargains" are considered torture, since it is clearly a form of psychological manipulation designed to extract information from an otherwise unwilling source…
http://www.IsThisTheChangeWeNeed.com/Webblog
Odds are they will never offer James and Hannah a "plea deal"!
This is surprising, nay, SHOCKING!!! I'm SHOCKED, truly shocked.
I've got a deal for the scum bag, turn him lose near my place with a one hour head start, just to make fun.
Tell you what…..plea bargain him right out of court….absolve him of all charges…and then move him right next door to amoeobammma in chicago. I frankly don't want him walking the streets in my community…..
Didn't you get the memo barbarian? This is "Change" you can believe in!
Now we want to talk to him. Before he boarded the plane we had no interest in a guy that his dad said was a terrorist.
Do we really think this guy has that much information. Sure we can asked him who trained him and he will say it was a guy with a beard named Abdullah. We show him some pictures and he will say it is not one of them. This guy was not an inside man of AQ. He is a spoiled little rich kid that got played by AQ thinking he was being a good muslim. AQ did not use their real names with this rich kid. They did not take him to their secret hiding places in Yemen. They took him to a remote house that he has very little idea where he was, finished off the brainwashing and showed him how to handle PETN undies.
Make him one offer, a cell with Buba or one in Isolation. Talk to us, or talk to Buba.
Any information that this guy had (which will be slim at best) will become irrelevant in short order, like about 24 hours after he failed.
They will plead this guy out, he will give them nothing of value, and AQ will be laughing it's asses off telling its suicide recruits that worst cast they get 3 squares and a bed, probably more then thay have now.
Pathetic…
Word is obama is going to meet with him and have a beer.
In return for doing this the guy will get a green card, free medical and food stamps.
yes I got that memo forced down my throat.. I guess they hope the terrorists are comfortable as they send them home to yemen.
Will AG Holder offer to represent this guy, pro-bono? Probably not, but I'm sure his law firm will offer up their services.
Obama is a Jihadist sympathizer…haven't we all figured that out yet. So is Eric Holder. Judge him by his ACTIONS, not his words.
I got a better idea. Start yanking his F-ing nails out until he talks! Burn a hole in his ass with a cigarette, beat him with a stick or use an electrical prod…I don't care.
The last, and I mean the VERY last thing this asswipe should be offered is a plea agreement, unless it's to determine how he wants to be put to death.
…and when we're done with him, let's do the skinny guy in the WH next.
Isn't obvious. This knickerbomber is one Obama's "Sons of Alla" brothers. To understand Obama understand Islam. Christain my a$$. Born Muslim, Muslim for life. No different than a Chicago gang member. If you don't believe me Google it and get educated. We, America, are being surrendered one day at a time. Interpol, find the story on BigGovernment, don't we have our own laws and protections. Coppenhagen, give me a break. God help us.
That's what I meant.
"Poor guy. He's just a victim of American Imperialism. He didn't know what he was doing. He deserves another chance."–some idiot liberal.
What we need for Terrorists caught in the act like this is a gallows, give the man a week to say goodby to his family and make peace with his God, and hang the bastards!
Wake up people…. this admin, congress the media backing them and the special interest groups behind them do not care about you. You are nothing to them… they have as Pat Cadell has said "nothing but contempt" for you. Time to wake up and take the red pill folks!
An idea, a symbol to get behind
How are those emails, phone calls, faxes and protests working out for you America? They aren't! Your playing their game… STOP and play your game through Saving the Republic
Our government has become schizophrantic. God help us all.
Another perspective: A group of people determine their intent to attack America and follow through with it. Their attack kills and injures many. This group of people draws the attention of the US government and war is waged against them, in response to this attack.
Does the clothes warn by those who attacked the US matter?
Dec 7, 1941 Pearl Harbor was attacked by the Japanese and the US entered WWII.
Sept 11, 2001 Al-Queda attacked mainland US. We fought them for a while, now they are labeled as ordinary criminals and are able to take a lawyer and arrange plea deals.
What's the difference???
How much more crap are we willing to take from this bunch of losers? Start the drumbeat of defiance and let loose the dogs. It's time to settle this.
In the aggregate there must be millions of similar "comments" on these reports, all posted to be read by people of like mind, thus preaching to the choir.
These should, instead, be deluging our the print press, the Congress and, yes, the WH to have some possible effect.
Such a waste.
Well…understandable isn't it??__1) Muslims don't kill their co-muslims (haaaa ha ha!!!) that's funny..__2) Libs don't execute in the gas chambers/injection chambers- they do it in congress and to society at large, on a species called 'Conservatives'__3) look at that face! How can a prez execute that?? awww…____(PUKE!!!)
JCH–
>>>…axing<<<<
R-A-C-I-S-T!
Sad, but true. This guy was an utter tool for the jihadis. Unfortunately, boarding him with Bubba probably isn't the best idea.
From Wikipedia:
"J. Michael Waller [...] claims that 80% of the prisoners who "find faith" while in prison convert to Islam. These converted inmates are mostly African American, with a small but growing Hispanic minority."
I hope that wasn't raaccciiiissstt.
nceeno–
as far as punishment– why can't we reconstruct the bomb, enough to maim not to kill, strap it where it belonged, and dial the cell phone #???? EASY!
I don't think that would be a deterrent to them. Might even sweeten the pot a bit.
Where did you read or hear that his father is a "proponent of radical Islam?" It was his father who tried to warn people that this guy was dangerous.
Why do we insist on giving these freaks rights as if they were legitimate humans. When they kill women and children, bomb schools, and blow up planes they forfeit any and all human rights they may have had. This terrorist should be tortured to gain any information he may posses then shot in the head and mailed back to crapistan or whoever is paying him and his ilk.
The only "plea" deal to give this Bastard is "you wanna die fast or slow and painful?"
Damm Andrew why didn't I think of that? Certainly the Constitution is being violated. Not knowing whether or not or when something bad is going to happen just isnt right. Why our intire judicial system is suspect. Imagine being the poor perpertrator awaiting trial not knowing if you will go to jail or be set free. It is just not fair. We should just do summary execution, that would be fair, no one would have to worry what would happen. surely this would be the DEMOCRATIC way. Change we can beleive in Viva La Revolution.
His daddy turned his name in to the authorities. Do you even read or listen to the news?
Well, since 'enhanced interrogations' are so passe now, this should be expected.
"We'll give you a lighter sentence for snitching on your foreign-born terrorist counterparts…"
Although, as someone suggested when sending this post, perhaps having an Interpol agent waterboard Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab would be better.
How about we strap ten little explosives to each of his digits and set them off one at a time. By the time this little piggy had roast-beef we will have our answers.
I'm pretty certain that we have the assets paid for and in place to find out what this swine loving, muslim knows. It is called waterboading and its free.
I don't know about him being The Won's cousin, but I'll agree to the possibility that Daddy-O contributed a nice sum of cash to Obumble's presidential campaign. I think it's possible that's why PantyBoy was escorted thru and onto the plane and the video isn't available. Now he's getting a plea deal.
Wonder what The Won and his sidekick, Tonto Holder, have in mind for KSM?
The Cowboy didn't negotiate. President Hopey Changey is extending a hand even though the terrorists aren't unclenching their fists. They know he's a pushover.
He should have been Jack-Bauered as soon as they could get him off the plane and behind closed doors.
Better still, John-Clarked on the plane.
Will his Al Qaeda financiers will be footing the bill for his counsel or will it be Joe Taxpayer? Perhaps some ACLU weasel will pick him up pro bono?
heh..heh..heh… Or send him to us in Florida… We know how to take care of gatorbait… WIth no trails….
You mean the liberal state run news channels…no I don't waste my time watching those plus I was being sarcastic, so RELAX!!
MaoBama = the "Christian" who celebrates Ramadan, but not Christmas. Sure.
I imagine it must really suck to be the fringe media these days. Obama and his peeps are doing the most outragous and if they weren't so serious– laughable things and the media has to defend them. No matter how stupid and incompetent they look in the process. And they must know they look really stupid making all these excuses for Obama and his losers.
Let me get this right. The same people who applause the killing of unborn babies now want to give RIGHTS to a terrorist who strived to kill innocent Americans. Wait ! It FITS ! If had succeeded he would be a LIBERAL hero ! I know.. I know..it does not follow sylogistic logic but then…when do LIBERALS ever follow logic and common sense.
Okay…now logic. The methods were in place to extract critical data with CIA and FBI personnel. The results would have been most helpful in terrorist attack prevention. Instead the ObamaPOS allowed him to be tried as a criminal and getting lawyered up. So any negotiations with this scum will be at the compromise of American security…meaning less information but more rights. Less information means more likelihood of American death. Fundamental muslim sympathy.
Perhaps the wisdom of king Solomon could be used, we get half and you get half.
Works for me…
sweet so now i can attempt to blow up a plane and get a plea bargain do a 5 year bid write a couple kids book and a progressves hand book get paroled and get into the white house its just that easy now…well at least liberals make it that easy…
the right way to handle this would be to no civil trial take him out back torture him til he starts talkin and execute him and get the lawyer for treason whats so hard about doing that to a enemy of our nation
Obama is a muslim terrorist himself.
A homicide bomber attempts to kill everyone around him as an active member /operative of a terrorist nation called AlQaeda, who have actively declared war on us. That's an enemy combatant. That doesn't change when he crosses the border or occupies a seat on a US plane with a US visa. Not suddenly a criminal. Still an enemy combatant. No lawyer, no deal, no rights.
Is there a case yet for treason by this administration? Giving aid and comfort to the enemy? Refusal to defend the nation against all enemies foreign or domestic? A demonstrated unwillingness to recognize an enemy once they have entered our nation and committed a war crime? Prosecute who???
[...] investigating this. I wonder if they will give the guilty person a please agreement like this guy? Al-Qaeda Terrorist May Be Offered Plea Agreement: Administration Defends Decision – Big Government The man tries to blow up 300 of us.. after Osama Bin Laden has declared war on us.. 9 years ago, [...]
What is wrong with our government? Giving a plea to a terrorist who wanted to kill hundreds of people on a plane and at the airport.
The only plea should come from this POS when he begs us to stop waterboarding him. This country needs to stop with the pussified metrosexualization and start stomping some heads.
So they took the terrorist who WAS talking, turned him over to a lawyer who promptly shut him up, and are now willing to trade away national security so we can get him TALKING AGAIN!?! Beyond the simple fact that the info would have been far more vital when it was timely, why give away an item only to buy it back at a high price? That makes absolutely no sense. These are not criminals. These are enemy combatants in an ongoing war. They are only to be afforded the most basic of human rights. No lawyers, no plea bargains, no freedom. Interrogate the evil bastard until he spills his guts then lock him away in a dark dank cell until we've won the war.
Nikki,
Maybe because it is not "our government" any more.
Plea agreement??? The administration obviously does not grasp the concept of "Martydom". They cannot offer him anything in this life to roll over on the cause, when he was going to take his life for the cause. We cannot trust this administration to protect us when they cannot understand the threat facing us! Ask nicely, maybe he will tell you if you say please and I'm sorry….what bunk!
Isn't this administration just completely intelligent? Who would have thought of a plea deal?
If it works in this case; take it to the criminals we are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan too.
A plea bargain? Probably agree to 100 hrs community service. No prior record, first offense and no one got hurt. Oh wait a minute wasn't this poor guy attacked by that Dutch guy? Dutch should be arrested immediatly and charged under the hate crime statute. After all this is white on black crime.there is precedent for this. We are trying Navy Seals for giving that terriorist a fat lip while capturing him.
What a totally F—ed up buch pathetic losers we have in Washington. Be afraid america, very afraid.
This terrorist was only in yemen twice. How much info does the adminsitration thinks he has in that brainwashed skull of his? He was only a puppet doing his job. He probably has no knowledge of anything outside of the type of underwear he was supposed to wear. This adminsitration is pathetic!!!! Plea dealing..omg..what a bunch of morons run this country.
He's just an ordinary criminal trying to blow up a planeload of people. Is that a problem?
Barack OBAMA said, in his Cairo speech: "I know, too that Islam has always been a part of America's story."
What an idiotic thing to say. The only part Islam has played in America's story is they have tried repeatedly to destoy this country with their terrorist actions. THAT'S THE STORY!!
Remember? We are the terrorists: the patriots who demonstrated at the tea parties.
So, Obama / Holder provided the captured errorist with leverage with which to bargain with us about preventing another mass murder. And any information obtained this way will be stale and useless after negotiating delays.
Who is Obama / Holder looking out for here? They are more concerned with terrorist rights to enjoy constitutional rights of US citizens than US citizens' rights not to get slaughtered by terrorists. Is there some other way to interpret this?
Why the sam hill are we offering this filth ANYTHING in exchange for whatever information he has, which we could and should easily torture out of him?
Sorry, ACLU: human rights are for human beings.
Please allow this fine young man to be returned to Yemen where he can undergo 6 months of art therapy and can then be released where he can go out to recruit fellow artists to engaged in future "in-flight" artistic work. You are a swell guy Mr. Obama.
The democrats are a party of lawers. They think the criminal justice system works for all events at all times.
This young man is an inteligence aset in the war on terror. But the Democrats think he is inocent until proven guilty. If the next ass bomber kills 200 people Obama will have hell to pay. This is war not criminal activity.
Unfortunately this administration just might believe it.
[...] Big Government – Al-Qaeda Terrorist May Be Offered Plea Agreement: Administration Defends Decision [...]
Obama is a fool. America is now a nation of fools, after all the people put this idiot in office. The TSA and Homeland Security are run by fools. Perhaps the FBI, CIA, and NSA are still run by real men. The JCS are yes men, as is the Sec Def. I have little hope my government can keep us safe. We must throw Obama out and fight the muslim terrorists in an all out death hunt. Kill them on the spot. Waterboard them. This must be a fight like no other-as it will be a hundred year war, possibly longer. WE need warriors running our government, not liberal mommys boy marxists. The internment camps should be used for the commie liberals that have weakened our nation, and the traitors in congress.
Very well stated…..
Cheney for President 2012! His "Plea Agreement" would involve plea-ing for mercy while Cheney cranks the vice his nuts are in.
The kooks in the White House and Justice Departments are not bowing to extremist organizations they ARE T
The Administration and the Justice Dept. are not bowing to extremists, they ARE the extremists. They are not defending and protecting our Constitution; they don't care about the Constitution! Obama should make a trip to Yemen and STAY THERE!
I can see it now: Barry O's terrorist bail bonds.
Who said government doesn't create new industry?
Would his brethren give any one of us a week to say goodbye to our families? No, they woudl put us on our knees and saw our heads off on camera and Al Jazeera would put it up on prime time for these freaks to chant "Allah Akbar" to. He was caught in the Mother effin act, he should have been pulled off that plane and executed right there. But no, now he will get a sweet deal to tell us where Osama was 6 months ago and get shipped back to Yemen or Nigeria a hero (remember the Lockerbie bomber?). That is not justice. No more nicey nice. Kill them where we find them, its what they would do to us.
We should have executed him the moment he stepped off the plane. Then fly to Yermen and do the whole family as well. No need to have any addittional martyrs hanging around. This is all these scumbags know. If they know unequivically that their actions will result in a death sentence of the whole family then this behavior will end. Heck, make it a no-win scenario. If the Jihadist hold their family hostage, we do the same. Your screwed if you do, your screwed if you don't. Sooner or later the jihadists family will become the victims…and therein endeth the problem. Now THAT is a solution.
He'll get bail and a ride back to Yemen. He needs retraining. He failed the first time to kill hundreds, maybe he will do better the next time around.
How's that 'Hope & Change' doing for you, America.
Hey, hey, people! The "system is working!" According to our president, this was an "isolated" incident. There's no absolute proof that the kid was trying to blow up the plane. Besides, it wasn't the poor kid's fault that he was allowed on the plane without indentification. And, his old man contacting the CIA? C'mon, the kid dropped out of school. His dad was pissed off. Chalk it up to a familiy disagreement. And, you know how kids are with firecrackers. It was a practical joke! Relax! At this point, we know this: cops are stupid, jobless recovery and terrorism doesn't exist. Hopey and Changey, people. Hopey and Changey!
I don't think we can offer better than 70 virgins in heaven as promised by allah. Come on Obama and croonies… these people want to die to please their god.
You are correct. The American citizens that use their rights of free speech and voice their opposition to the fascist Democratzis are the ones that are on the list to be watched, not those that would kill hundreds in the name of allah. In other words, in the name of our president's god.
nah- he'll be released on his own recognizance and a firm promise, "Cross my heart and hope ALL YOU INFIDELS DIE!" (oops, did I say that out loud?) to appear…
until the bubbles stop.
This administration is not only crazy; they are stupid beyond belief.
What idiot thinks this loser is open to plea bargaining? He was ready to die for his "cause." Remember???? We can't offer anything better than that.
Plea agreement? What is he going to plead to……..smoking on an Airplane?
maybe, just maybe, someone in the BHO admin is monitoring this site. and maybe, just maybe, they're reading this thread. and maybe, just maybe, they'll notice that NOT A SINGLE LEFTY TROLL HAS YET STEPPED FORWARD TO DEFEND THEIR MESSIAH"S OUTRIGHT IDIOCY IN THIS MATTER. and maybe, just maybe, they'll say, "You know Boss, when you're getting ripped mercilessly on BigGovernment.com and NOBODY is taking your side, maybe, just maybe, you F___ED UP."
I had to read the headline twice. Plea agreements? WTF! Sure why not? In fact, let's give him citizenship, a penthouse, a GM car, obamacare medical and free plane tickets to visit his friends in Yemen. Has this WH lost their minds? If this was 9/12 and the commander in cheif uttered a word of plea agreement, this country would have gone ape $hit and demanded that he step down!
You would "hope" not but here it is…
One bleats " When is this going to stop? I served 25 years in the military"
It'll never stop until you flag waving, brainwashed, dolts in the military do the job you swore to do and defend the constitution. This time the enemy is domestic.
But we know the real deal. It'll never happen but if the REAL bosses of you clowns and this banana republic govt, WE THE PEOPLE, decide to do it alone. Guess what ?
Aye aye sir.
Just following orders dear citizen.
That's why " they " have the terrorist organization called NORCOM ready to rock.
I would guess as Obama looks back on his "Holiday" one would think his only Christmas wish would have been that the "panties bomber" would have succeeded in blowing up flight 253, then things would be business as usuall for this administration. He and his cronnies would still be discussing health care reform because they certainly wouldn't be investigating terrorist activities against Americans.
If the bomber had succeeded, TSA would have taken over and would have been investigating "technical failures" with Northwest flight 253 aircraft. Guaranteed, we would never have known it was a terrorist plot to kill innocent Americans (read between the lines—cover up). Thank God he failed! Let's hope that those Gitmo detainees that Obama is returning to Yemen didn't learn something from this guy (doubtful). It's obvious this administration hasn't a clue about protecting Americans in flight or on the ground. They are a disgrace!
KCBOOMER @ 1:23 P.M. wrote, "… just because he doesn't wear the uniform of a nation doesn't make him an ordinary criminal." That's correct, but more significantly, by engaging in military acts and not aligning him/herself with a particular military/country, they definitionally exclude themselves from Geneva Convention status. Hence, enemy combatants.
I would guess as Obama looks back on his "Holiday" one would think his only Christmas wish would have been that the "panties bomber" would have succeeded in blowing up flight 253, then things would be business as usuall for this administration. He and his cronnies would still be discussing health care reform because they certainly wouldn't be investigating terrorist activities against Americans.
If the bomber had succeeded, TSA would have taken over and would have been investigating "technical failures" with Northwest flight 253 aircraft. Guaranteed, we would never have known it was a terrorist plot to kill innocent Americans (read between the lines—cover up). Thank God he failed! Let's hope that those Gitmo detainees that Obama is returning to Yemen didn't learn something from this guy (doubtful). It's obvious this administration hasn't a clue about protecting Americans in flight or on the ground. They are a disgrace!
Amen, brother!
he beez a goot boy, he wuz jus staw-n ta tun his lif aroun! He wuz a spirin rapper! noemsayn?
Dicen: Idiot commie lib Democrat sheep lead by a Moooooooooooslim "Community Organizer" NON VET!
Anyone know if he has hired representation for his book and movie deal? If we can get rolling on a treatment ASAP, we might make a Christmas '11 release.
I mean, look at him. This poor Nigerian loser is way too pretty to go to prison. His cell mates, though, could see to it that he gets what he couldn't before–LAID.
we will be water boarded for we are mere serfs. the terrorist to BO have right we don't.
Now, now, now.
Obama has decreed that there is no such thing as "terrorism", therefore there is no such thing as a "terrorist".
Who gets to swing the blade?
We don't want any unfortunate accidents.
Use a road flare instead.
All right. Time for every sensible and competent American citizen to buy a gun, become proficient in its use, learn how to be observant, become friends – or at least acquaintances – with their neighbors, and become familiar with who we're presented with the opportunity to unseat at the ballot box in ten months, because it is clearly now time for Americans to become our own protectors, our own advocates, and, as of the day after Election Day 2010, our own government once again since the current batch of a$$clowns seems to think Stimulus packages, government ownership and operation of business, government population control via healthcare, and now elitist idealist obliviousness disguised as high-minded fair treatment of those who want Americans subjugated and dead are good ideas! America, man up and wise up!
Hmmm. Seems to me that the specifics are a useful thing.. How about we get specific. Obama. Napolitano. Clinton. and most especially Holder. No more plausible deniability. Who knew what when? Charge them all for gross dereliction of duty. I just don't believe that a CIA station oficial in Lagos had a meeting with a very important man, who says "my son may be working with your mortal enemy, I'm afraid of what he might do and I can't find him…" and that Cia employee didn't make that info clear. And the administration says, well there wasn't anything specific, these things happen. Oh really??? how about firing the Cabinet and their boss for letting these thing happen? We expect fanatics to try and kill us. But it shouldn't be okay for our government to let them.
Disgusting. what we need to be doing to these jihadists is force-feeding them bacon, cutting off their heads and feeding their bodies to the pigs. And publicizing it: "see, this is what happens to terrorists when we catch them."
Damn, now we have to start over, heads I win, tails you lose.
Enter Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson in 5, 4, 3, 2, … and you can bet on either bail or an acquittal.
Maybe next time he'll wear the diaper on his head before he lights it.
Buy all the ammunition you can get your hands on now!!!!
no you get tortured for that… they get him for attempted sucide and get counseling.
ring, ringgg, ringgggg, Hello this is the White House if your calling to speak to the President he is praying to allah at the moment and well be available to you only if you live in a country other than the United States and preferably, in the middle east or If you attempted to kill Americans on there soil or in there air space. Otherwise press 1 for media brainwashing, press 2 to pay your seiu dues, press 3 to enter your artwork in the save the jihad from disgrace fundraiser, press 4 to speak to Bertha Lewis oh, and rev Wright
This is what I meant when I said Obama would show you how good you had it under Bush. Happy now America?
See what your childrens lives are worth to the Obama administration? Im sure the "LAPSES" in security are the result of our fully comprimised state department and political faction of our intel. which are the products of our proud, globalist bedwetter in chief. Why wont he let any investigations or audits happen? Because he KNOWS what they will find. Fortunately they will hit the cities first, where he was elected from.
Airplane manufacturing companies should start upholstering all airplane seats in pigskin.
ring, ringgg, ringgggg, Hello this is the White House if your calling to speak to the President he is praying to allah at the moment and well be available to you only if you live in a country other than the United States and preferably, in the middle east or If you attempted to kill Americans on there soil or in there air space. Otherwise press 1 for media brainwashing, press 2 to pay your seiu dues, press 3 to enter your artwork in the save the jihad from disgrace fundraiser, press 4 to speak to Bertha Lewis oh, and rev Wright
Once again, "Law Enforcement". The Masters speak, and they bow and scrape. The One is looking out for his Brothers in Islam. "Law Enforcement" has no problem with that.
Look for him to have a job in this administration sometime in the future. Wouldn't surprise me at all. We have everything else on our payroll. This fool, like the Yemeni's, that this administration insists on sending back to Yemen to join the fight again, are the muslim sympathizer's homies, in my opinion. They come before any good, red-blooded American soldier. There was a time when a firing squad would have been in order, no trial, and not even a hint of a plea deal.
How shall we count the ways? Getting his beauty sleep? Golfing, basketball, going to the gym, sniffing the plumeria? Or maybe he was trying to figure out a way to blame it on Bush before he took the First Linebacker out to dine at an exclusive restaurant on taxpayers' dollars?
Plea deal ??? Do you want to be Hung by the neck until dead or face a firing squad ? That should be the only two choices available,but we all know neither one will come to pass. What he will get is a suspended sentence and sent back to his daddy, but only after he makes a contribution to the re-elect Obama campaign. Just watch the American people are going to be so outraged at what happens when this clown gets off with a slap on the hand.
Thanks.
The optimistic, charitable explanation for Obama's and Holder's decisions are that they are unbelievably naiive and stupid. I don't believe that.
A more plausible explanation is that appeasing their far-left base trumps death-and-destruction for other Americans. Maybe.
continued…
Was that well dressed man who helped the terrorist get on the plane Obama.,and here we thought he was in Hawaii.
Well, we could hold a bumper party. I have a hefty trailer hitch on my rig, how about you?
It's heartening to see more Americans starting to oppose this insanity. It's depressing to think a majority of Americans couldn't read the handwriting on the wall and went ahead and elected this unaccomplished, radical joker, even worshipping him like a messiah.
whisky-tango-foxtrot, really.
How about a 963 Cat high-lift
It seems to me that this administration is on the side of the terrorists. They want to show how bad America is. I think they want the terrorists to win this war. Why else would they be trying these scumbags in federal courts. And offering plea deals.
His father is NOT a proponent of radical Islam. Neither is he a doctor, as someone else posited in and earlier post.
The father is a now retired big deal banker in Nigeria, who sits on a lot of boards and is the person who turned in his son.
What does “Justice” think they can tempt a failed suicide bomber with – 100 virgins?
What will a plea agreement accomplish from an "isolated incident"?
better yet, just release his dumb ass and let us know where and when, YERMOM is sure that someone will show up to take care of him.
I am amazed at our leader's fatal attraction to these people ?
I keep trying to find something positive to say about this president but every time I turn around he pokes me in the eye…it’s hard to see the positive thru all these tears he is causing this nation…POWER TO THE BIRTHERS!!!
Starting with Ft. Hood, American blood is literally on Obama's hands.
What's up with the Constitutional Lawyer in Chief? Since when do these people have the same rights as a citizen? The creep should be waterboarded over and over and over and over. Would POTUS feel this way if the little turd had tried to take out Air Force 1?
Waterboard Obama.
Here is your plea agreement- tell us all about who- what -where- when or no pain medication for those burns- thats just for starters
Dont' forget CAIR and the muslim congressman (men)?
This my PLEA. DEAL with him as an enemy combatant / terorist
Plea agreement?? What is he going to plea for? This guy tried to blow his ass off along with 300 plus others..what is he gonna plea for, to save his life and spend it in a federal prison the rest of his life….what type of idiots do we have in washington protecting us from these islamic radicals?…obviously they are brain-dead followers of that lying-ass socialist pig Obama who ought to be crowned the SUPREME IDIOT OF THE UNITED STATES!!!!!
that's how our judicial system works in the United States. Nothing new. They do it all the time with the small fish trying to catch a bigger fish to fry. It's a tradeoff.
Don't let the U.S. government fearmonger you too much, you are more likely to die driving on the highway.
How would you like your son or daughter waterboarded by an enemy? Have you ever heard of the Geneva Convention?
This is how the court system works in the United States, and they bargain all the time to catch a bigger fish.
what is he going to plea for though…the man would rather die a martyr…not spend it in the great satans prison…why is it even in our criminal courts anyway…he is al queda…we are at war with al queda..he is an enemy combatant…he should be handled by our military intelligence..not some lame legal liberals who would love nothing better than to let the man go…
Comment on previous post: that's how our judicial system works in the United States. Nothing new. They do it all the time with the small fish trying to catch a bigger fish to fry. It's a tradeoff.
Don't let the U.S. government fearmonger you too much, you are more likely to die driving on the highway.
Nonsense…..I prefer how our terror intelligence system works for these radical ragheads…death by life in prison is too easy for them… the gas chamber , electric chair and hanging are too easy and quick….if he wants martyrdom let him have it but make the bastard earn it….. he'll give up the big fish along the way for sure…after all he wants to die for allah and get his virgins…he could care less about the bin ladens of the world…and he sure doesnt care about the deals he might get to have the honor of being locked up in a jail cell…
What a damned joke. My advice to my fellow patriot,beans,bandages,and bullets. This usurper from Kenya is gonna cause a major civil upheaval in this country. The moment that plane was lucky enough to land,Extra judicial punishment should have been immediately carried out right there on the tarmac. IMPECH THE KENYAN MUSLIM COCKSUCKER NOW!!!!
How much grief did Bush catch for "My Pet Goat"? What was Obama doing?
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"WE HAVE A MUSLIM AND/OR MUSLIM SYMPATHIZER IN THE WHITE HOUSE! " — Why, is he being given amnesty like Bush did for Bin Laden? Is he going to be allowed his freedom like the previous President granted Bin Laden and the top members of Al Qaeda for the past 8 years?
This is awesome!!! We can get those Al Qaeda leaders the Bush Administration granted amnesty to back in January of 2008 and released from Gitmo!!! The ones who actually planned this attempted attack that the Bush Administration released despite the intelligence community telling them how stupid they were for doing this. HOORAY!!!!
WE GET TO RE-CAPTURE THE TERRORISTS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION RELEASED FROM GITMO WHO PLANNED THIS ATTEMPTED ATTACK!!! YAY!!!!!!!
Most of those got killed in Iraqi fire fights.
These must be those Obama released. He has been busy this last year you know.
Do you have medication for your "Bush derangement syndrome"?
No, I think we can thank Obama for the ones scheming in Yemen right now.
BDS strikes again.
You can still remember how to cut and paste.
Isn't it time you go back under your bridge?
Another cut and paste.
Someone must still be recovering from that lobotomy.
Do the voices tell you we want to read the same comment like this, over and over?
You didn't convince the intelligent the first dozen times, and it's not going to work on the rest of the repeats either.
Isn't it time for Obama to bend over again? I mean, bow, you know….
Is it time for the children to line up and sing for the 'dear leader' again?
Or should they go ahead and have their bowl of state approved rice before class.
At least learn how to spell before you attempt anything intelligent people should do. Just a suggestion there "paytruit!"
Blah blah blah.
The ones Obama released are sitting around in rocking chairs and just watching the ones Bush released become active after being on the sidelines for over a year? Right, is that you Rahm Emanuel?
"You didn't convince the intelligent the first dozen times" — If I was out to do that, I wouldn't be here now would I? Hello?
You are really struggling to re-write history tonight, aren't you?
Clinton had several chances to get Bin Ladin and passed.
Bush could have probably done more, but the liberals were tearing into him for what he was doing. Remember Harry Reid pronounce we had lost in Iraq? (Just before things got better of course.)
Sounds like the mantra is getting a bit stressed, there is so much to hide and cover up with this white house.
He should have been shot with a bullet dipped in pig blood.
Then his body should have been dropped on the maddrassa in Yemen where he studied.
Denied:
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/29/gitmo.northwest….
Educate yourself.
Johnny, how little you appear to know.
This guy was an armed enemy combatant out of uniform. He is excluded from the Geneva conventions by not wearing an identifiable uniform to distinguish him from the civilians he was around. He also didn't attack a military target, but a civilian target with no military there.
He was a coward, and just as incompetent as Janet Nepalitano.
Bigger fish? We'll get to them. But we need to kneecap the bigger fish by removing all his worker ants. And this is one of them, and he does need to be removed. Next time he flies for trials or anything why don't you have your mother sit next to him on the plane and see how you like someone you know exposed to his filth.
Make him wait in line for treatment, like normal americans will have to do when Obamacare is forced on us!
I'll donate a pitcher of water…
Starting with Helen Thomas. We'll tell her it's an exclusive interview, that ought to speed things up.
Oh, another attempt at propaganda.
Keep on saying it Mr. Geobels.
less and less, everytime you find your mom's computer. Isn't it time for your shift at McDonalds to start?
Probably not. But it may keep your off the streets.
So, using your link you should be saying that the detainees that Saudi officials had accepted then released are behind this.
Unless you can show Bush made a call to the Saudi King and arranged their release from Saudi custody, you are still wrong. Even using your own link
DENIED!
Wow, I hadn't used that word like that before. And I probably won't again it looks retarded and means something entirely different.
Well, pretend Obama had done that. Then you'd see something wrong with it now wouldn't you. Obviously, the answer is yes if you agree with this article and this article verifies that this terrorist will NOT be released into the custody of a terrorists sponsoring nation like Saudi Arabia who had their own room at the White House under the Bush regime.
Look up the word "hypocrisy".
Obama didn't do that. He had us pay the tab on terrorists going to Bermuda on our nickel.
I looked up hypocrisy. Wasn't that your photo there next to it?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/29/gitmo.northwest….
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/29/gitmo.northwest….
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/29/gitmo.northwest….
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/29/gitmo.northwest….
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/12/29/gitmo.northwest….
Thank God we have Obama to clean up your messes huh?
New link! Pay attention to the dates:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/30/raw-da...
So, it was the Saudi's that released the inmates Bush turned over to them.
Even by your own link you're wrong. A clear cut case of 'Bush Derangement syndrome' probably brought on by several drinks.
So, your own link proves you wrong.
The Saudi's accepted the inmates and were responsible.
Doesn't it hurt your ego to look so dense?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/30/raw-da...
And we all know how obedient you are to Fox News. 8>)~
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/30/raw-da...
And we all know how obedient you are to Fox News. 8>)~
Wow, you cut and paste a lot. It must be one of the three things you can remember on your computer.
And your link shows the Saudi's were responsible for their release. Would you rather we just stack up the terrorists in Gitmo even if someone else will accept them?
And you link still doesn't prove your point, it just shows it was the Saudi's that released them.
Blah blah blah blah…. I can tell you're moving your lips, but are you saying anything? Not so much.
New link:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/30/raw-da...
"So, it was the Saudi's that released the inmates Bush turned over to them." — Why would Bush release these terrorists over to a terrorist sponsoring nation like Saudi Arabia? What kind of incredibly stupid people (besides Bush's obvious supporters) would NOT expect a terrorist sponsoring nation like Saudi Arabia to release these terrorists? Did Bush not realize that Osama Bin Laden is from Saudi Arabia? Intelligent folk know this, why not Bush or his dimwitted supporters?
BREAKING NEWS!!!
Bush captures heroin dealers and releases them into the custody of Afghanistan opium cartels!!! Dimwits blame Obama!
Since you're so obedient to Fox News:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/30/raw-da...
Pay attention to the dates and how many were released to the terrorist sponsoring nation, Saudi Arabia. My ego is fine, thank you.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/30/raw-da...
Pay attention to how many of them were released to that hotbed of terrorism, Saudi Arabia. Do you think those terrorists still have a special room at the White House now like they did under Bush. Do you remember "Bandhar Bush"?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/30/raw-da...
And it was the democrats insisting he close gitmo.
Seems to me someone bowed to the Saudi King.
Oh,that's right…. Saudi Arabia is our partner in the war on terror, and a loyal friend in the region.
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/obama_...
I do go to their website on occasion.
But did Saudi Arabia release them before or after Obama bowed?
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/obama_... />
obama seems to have a close, very close relationship with the Saudi King.
Bush is the one who bows to the Saudi King?
And look at what Obama has said.
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/obama_...
And look at who thinks the Saudi Arabian country is our trusted friend.
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2009/06/obama_...
There is a huge difference between closing Gitmo and giving terrorists back to the nations who spawned them and their hatred of us. How much longer are you planning on being such a Liberal terrorist sympathizer? You have an excuse for everything.
And if Obama released terrorists back to Saudi Arabia, you're reaction would be? We are commenting on an article about a prosecution deal with a terrorists that WILL NOT release him into the custody of a terrorist sponsoring nation and already, your pink ODS panties are so bunched up, you can't even see straight. Hypocrisy indeed.
I clean up after myself. I'm a conservative that believes in accountability. So, I don't wait for the big brother to take care of me.
And did the Saudi kingdom release these guys before or after Obama bowed?
Checkmate!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/dubo...
Use your imagination as to what probably went on behind closed doors when it comes to our "national security".
Checkmate:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/dubo...
Checkmate:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/dubo...
Checkmate:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/dubo...
Checkmate:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/dubo...
It's the Republicans who released them. Even Fox News can't spin this screw up. Only the truly obedient and borderline retarded are the only ones not able to see it.
I think Bush gave the terrorists back to the terrorist sponsoring nation of Saudi Arabia right after this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/dubo...
There is bowing and then there is willfully grabbing your own ankles.
If you had used a credible news source then I'd think it's worth reading.
The piece is so badly written I'm not even sure what the main point is. It seems to be Soros having a seizure at a typewriter.
Checkmate? How much do you drink?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8062017.stm
Not in your most alcohol induced dreams
Too bad you couldn't find a credible source for what ever point you thought this piece was supposed to make.
http://www.mapreport.com/countries/guantanamo.htm... />
If you notice the part about Obama saying Gitmo weakens our defense? Oh, so Bush didn't mind having the detainees there, and it was the left pushing to get rid of them…. now that doesn't match your scenario. I wonder why?
Obama isn't stupid enough to hand terrorists over to a terrorists sponsoring nation like Saudi Arabia nor would Obama's supporters obediently be indoctrinated into defending such irresponsibility like oh…YOU!
Wouldn't want to be seen as Liberal Terrorist Sympathizers now would we. Take a bow there Liberal…
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/dubo...
You cut and paste, and I try to make every answer individual so everyone else isn't bored out of their skulls.
Have you thought that perhaps if cut and paste was the best you could do, it's time for you to go back to the kiddie pool perhaps?
It's not checkmate. Your story is the same thing as Dan Rather in Rathergate. You just know it's true so you let imaginary little dancing unicorns fit in all the details for you. It's writing like that, that is closing newspapers all over the country. It's not a news story, it's indoctrination. When you dress up for 'fancy parties' do you pretend to be Geoffery Goebels?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7943114.stm />
You think Bush was soft of the detainees, and Obama won't even call them that! So, that chess game isn't working out so well for you is it? Maybe it's time for you to have another couple of belts.
Well, at least having castrated himself, this is one drooler who won't be breeding.
I don't think so.
Not based on your hack piece with no credibility.
Why don't the left ever learn how to write so it sells? Like Ann Coulter, or Mark Levin, or even Sarah Palin.
The scary version is malicious intent, which sounds unbelievable, but… After watching he and his asoocaiates for twelve months, one has to wonder. The list is familiar to anyone paying attention. A proliferation of radical, socialist-communist, unelected czars. Takeovers of banks, of industry. Attempted takeover of healthcare — obviously strongly opposed by most Americans. Multiplying national debt and taxes in the middle of a very bad recession. Cap-and-tax in spite of ClimateGate.Triying 9/11 terrorists in NYC. Sending GITMO terrorists back to Yemen. Encouraging the pantybomber to lawyer up rather than inform on other upcoming attacks. All this coming in just twelve months from the guy who, in his own words, wants "to fundamentally transform America" and affect "redistributive change". The guy whose youthful mentor was a Communist. Hung out with radicals in college. Twenty years in Rev. Wrights pews. Associated with Bill Ayers. Close ongoing ties with ACORN and SEIU…incredible…talk about connecting dots…
Bush 'transfered' them. Do you understand basic english?
That would mean they left here in hand cuffs, and arrived there in hand cuffs.
Obama takes them out of hand cuffs and puts them in bermuda unsupervised.
And you won't see it, because you defined yourself in your comment.
Did Bush send them to Saudi Arabia for release or for something else entirely?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18... />
Perhaps you have the wrong spin on this from the beginning.
I am not a liberal, I think we should shoot them with a bullet dipped in pig blood, and then drop their bodies over the ground where they were captured.
But what does a liberal think is ideal?
http://winteryknight.wordpress.com/2009/06/11/oba... />
Doesn't sound like Obama wants the country safe. He just wants us busy and not paying attention to what he's up to.
But he does bow so well. Does that count for anything?
Yes…I understand…Bush TRANSFERRED these terrorists to a terrorist sponsoring nation like Saudi Arabia who doing what terrorist sponsoring nations do, released them. They ended up in Yemen where they planned a terrorist attack to be carried out on 12/25. Now this terrorist will be making a deal with our Justice Department to serve time (not to be TRANSFERRED) in return for information that can re-apprehend the terrorists Bush TRANSFERRED to the terrorist sponsoring nation, Saudi Arabia. I certainly do understand the facts and I like them very much!!!
A picture is worth a thousand words pinko!
Checkmate indeed.
Now that we have the 'transfered' part down. Now lets work on the Saudi kingdom being a friend.
http://www.aramcoexpats.com/Photos/Announcements/...
A picture is worth a thousand words pinko!
"Smoochy smoochy terrorists! I'll give you back your terrorists if you give me a sloppy big kiss on the lips!!"
And your link didn't work.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8062017.stm
Here is a link that works to a story with a credible source that shows obama called gitmo a bad thing that weakens our defense.
Good article. I like how it feature Dick Cheney, a guy who "TRANSFERRED" terrorists to a terrorist sponsoring nation like Saudi Arabia. I didn;t see anything in the article that said Obama would be equally as stupid.
Of course, I've yet to see a picture of Obama doing anything to terrorists like that picture. I imagine you had to have right clicked and downloaded it right? For your own pleasure of "defending"? Have to wonder what kind of "deals" were made behind closed doors to "Transfer" more terrorists to terrorist sponsoring nations like Saudi Arabia huh? Probably gets you all sorts of hot & bothered just waiting for the chance to throw in your "defending" huh?
I do not support many things the Saudi's do. Including their funding of Wahhabi islam.
But since the liberals at home won't let us drill for our own oil, we do need the Saudi's.
And I don't see any picture.
How much do you drink? You never have given an answer to that.
Again, link not working.
Maybe you can get a link from "Hot-terrorist-transferringdotcom" and find more pictures of your Texas Messiah "defending" our country. Betcha that would turn you on huh? LOL
At last Roger may have seen the light…and that's why your Texas Messiah was making out with terrorist leaders from terrorist sponsoring nations and giving them back their terrorists…OIL.
And it's so sweet and cute how you obediently blame Liberals for not drilling at home but an education would do you a world of good. Do you have any idea how much money American oil companies would lose if we pulled up stakes in Saudi Arabia and began drilling here in America? And for what? It would take us 50 years to get the oil here in America what we get in a day from there. And do you think ANY political party in America is about to walk away from that gold mine and let Russia and China have it? Are you high? Clinton said it best and every leader of every party agreed…"Why use ours when we can use theirs first."
So, I'm sending you to a story that shows the republicans didn't transfer detainees to Saudi Arabia for freedom, but for questioning.
Checkmate.
I've sent you other links that proved my point.
Now, go have another drink and keep telling yourself that the cool aid is the right flavor.
You are still delusional. Bush transfered detainees for questioning, the plan was called rendition for years.
That was not a good thing for the detainees.
Well…it is!
I missed the part of the story where it said having man make out sessions with terrorist leaders of terrorist nations and giving them back there terrorists in exchange for man make out sessions was good for our nation's defense? I mean, transferring terrorists to terrorist sponsoring nations so you can play smoochy smoochy with terrorist leaders who release them and allow them to plan more attacks like the attempted 12/25 terrorist attack can't be good for our country is it?
Oh, so now there "DETAINEES"? You can spin sh#t from pepper Roger, I'll give you that much. LOL And I suppose the picture of Bush making out (would have settled for simply bowing) with a terrorist leader of a terrorist nation is "standing CPR"? Standing mouth to mouth since the terrorist leader went into full cardiac arrest while standing? Miraculous!!!!
Transferring terrorists to terrorists nations for "rendition" only to have these terrorists end up in Yemen and become leaders of Al Qaeda in less than a year is really a hell of an effective rendition program the Bush Administration set up. But hey…I'm the one who's delusional.
Yeah, they were questioned alright. Questioned right over to Yemen to become Al Qaeda leaders within a year. Whoo whoo!!! That's some serious questioning! I wish I could be questioned like that. I've been wanting to go to Cancun for years.
Could be looking at the next president.
Has to work for the CIA first, though.
He’ll plea to be waterboarded.
Excellent point!
Oh stop it Troll!
[...] Al-Qaeda Terrorist May Be Offered Plea Agreement: Administration Defends Decision [...]
This, more than anything that has come before, illustrates the complete absurdity of the criminal prosecution of enemy combatants. It's maddening enough when a common criminal is excused from a large portion of his punishment in exchange for his cooperation, but that is at least understandable. This man was sent by his superiors to kill as many innocents as possible and strike fear into the hearts of free nations. This is a military matter. This is a war.
We're now negotiating with terrorists.
chicagojedi
…….but he was lonely and depressed…….where is your humanity?
ps: Why is there no big front page stories about the passengers?
Syntax_game
Stuff it in your underwear and light it.
The lesson for future air travelers who stop a terrorist: They can't turn him loose if he doesn't survive.
You know…that's exactly what the terrorists Bush released from Gitmo in 2007 said.
WE GET TO RE-CAPTURE THE TERRORISTS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION RELEASED FROM GITMO WHO PLANNED THIS ATTEMPTED ATTACK!!! YAY!!!!!!!
WE GET TO RE-CAPTURE THE TERRORISTS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION RELEASED FROM GITMO WHO PLANNED THIS ATTEMPTED ATTACK!!! YAY!!!!!!!
AREN'T YOU GUYS EXCITED?!?!?!?
WE GET TO RE-CAPTURE THE TERRORISTS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION RELEASED FROM GITMO WHO PLANNED THIS ATTEMPTED ATTACK!!! YAY!!!!!!!
AREN'T YOU GUYS EXCITED?!?!?!?
WE GET TO RE-CAPTURE THE TERRORISTS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION RELEASED FROM GITMO WHO PLANNED THIS ATTEMPTED ATTACK!!! YAY!!!!!!!
AREN'T YOU GUYS EXCITED?!?!?!?
WE GET TO RE-CAPTURE THE TERRORISTS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION RELEASED FROM GITMO WHO PLANNED THIS ATTEMPTED ATTACK!!! YAY!!!!!!!
AREN'T YOU GUYS EXCITED?!?!?!?
WE GET TO RE-CAPTURE THE TERRORISTS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION RELEASED FROM GITMO WHO PLANNED THIS ATTEMPTED ATTACK!!! YAY!!!!!!!
AREN'T YOU GUYS EXCITED?!?!?!?
WE GET TO RE-CAPTURE THE TERRORISTS THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION RELEASED FROM GITMO WHO PLANNED THIS ATTEMPTED ATTACK!!! YAY!!!!!!!
AREN'T YOU GUYS EXCITED?!?!?!?
[...] H/T: Big Government [...]
Yes, but this only explains why the republicans were right in keeping the dangerous muslim murderers in custody. What does this say about all the liberals who wanted to release all of them on humanitarian grounds?
You show your soft underbelly so very easily.
Still drinking?
So, keeping Gitmo open is bad, and transferring prisoners to countries that will assume responsibility is bad. And to think liberals say republicans are the party of no.
How many drinks have you had?
I never said I agree with it, only that you had overlooked that part of the situation. And were they released before, or after obama's bow?
They were questioned, until about the time Obama bowed.
And if our questioning is so light and sweet, then why is Gitmo violating human rights?
Wow. Our wonderful administration's answer to Gitmo…. plea deals and public defenders on our dime for any and all terrorists. This is beyond sickening.
Nope, still having that big glass of wine (whine) I see.
Bush transfered them as prisoners to another country who could actually get information out of them. Then Obama went along over there to have a chat with the king. He even bowed and viola, the prisoner got released and started running amok. Sounds like obama is the loser in all this.
But, don't let that bother you. Go get another cardboard box of wine out.
Your ps is a great question. Are they offering free medical care to the dutch artist who stopped him?
Let me see, we sent Yemen terrorists for Saudi Arabia to deal with. Obama bows and these guys end up released. Obama insists the Saudi's are our friends.Bush may have trusted the Saudi's, but he was proven wrong. And I never stated I supported the 'transfer' of the detainees to Saudi Arabia either.So, you are making up Bush knowing about their quick release. You're making up my approving of their transfer. My approving of any transfer from Gitmo.I am far from a terrorist sympathizer. I don't see why they need a Koran in Gitmo. I don't see why we need to change rules of engagements for a population shielding the taliban. I think my tax money that was spent for the predator drone was well invested. And I think you're a loon. No, I take that back, I like loons. You're just back to being a troll.
Whaddya think…….The New Transgendered Chemical Czar?
Right now FOX is again reporting that this twit acted completely alone, no one else helped, he had no accomplices, yup, nothing to see here.
did you even read the article, or even the headline for that matter? i'll save you the trouble- it's about Obama & Co. seriously considering a plea bargain for a terrorist. if your best shot at a rebuttal is to point out some purely tangential failing, real or imagined, on the previous admin, then that just makes it all the more obvious you got nuthin. thanks for helping make my point.
Hang him next to a PIG at the same time.
TO STOP THE MADNESS…
put miniature pot bellied pigs on every flight. Then were wouldn't need Air Marshalls
Did you mommy show you how to use the caps button and now you have a new toy to play with?
My allotment of mercy was obliterated on 9/11. You make an excellent point though. Another state-run media blackout. A failure of their Messiah and the government as a whole not only looks bad, but distracts people from their agenda of "transformative change".
WHY? BECAUSE OUR MARXIST GOVERNMENT IS AS EVIL AS THE TERRORIST THAT WE'RE CHASING!
DO YOU REALIZE THAT BETWEEN AMERICA AND GREAT BRITAIN, 95% OF THE WORLD LAWYERS RESIDE?
And, " He acted alone." What a farce Obama is.
He's pot stirrer all right. I call them trolls.
It's not just his name, they have a few things in common.
They like to cut and paste all over the place, like saying something enough times makes it true. They never respond to comments directly, they have talking points they stick to, no matter how bizarre or untrue you point out that they are.
I've heard that Soros pays people to post on these sites. I've dealt with trolls before and make sure every claim is rebutted and every response is answered. It's boring at times when they make no sense, but when they can't rule the debate they usually fade into the woodwork.
They have places they can hide under the bridge, huffington post is a nice place to contain them.
Reality is not their friend.
Isn't he just precious. In a special ed sort of way?
Can't you just picture him eating his macaroni art on the way to his school bus?
So, how is that carton of wine holding up?
Need to drive down to the market and buy another?
Yes he is quite the short bus tool.
Always posting weird stuff that has nothing to do with the article or post in question, volume and "Its bushes fault" seem to be the defaults when leftist trolls don’t have a point.
This time I actually understand his media matters reference but then he has to go all caps and !!!'s to once again expertly dispose of any and all questions regarding his mental stability.
Bingo.
You have reached the main point of disagreement that not even the U.S. government has been consistent with. (some sent to tribunals some sent to civilian)
Congress never authorized a war on anyone, they don't want the political risk if it goes bad. They authorized the use of military force. Terrorism is a tactic, not a nation, it involves more people than just Al Queda. Because of this, he did not commit a war crime as there is no war. Our rulers use the wording war on terror, war on drugs, etc. to redirect the fact that there is no actual war. Another classic is the Patriot Act, nothing patriotic about it.
I don't think too many people in this country would like to see the man let go.
Roger there is a reason the person you keep arguing with uses the name they do. They will always twist words to suit their agenda, thats what a "syntax game" is after all. After reading past postings from this "moniker", in my opinion, they are just pot stirrers.
Lol, he had no uniform probably because he isn't part of a national army but a radical group similar to say a neo nazi organization. Since you believe he is now a prisoner of war, how would he be excluded from the Geneva Conventions?
We aren't at war anyway, since no war was declared by the congress, so he will be sent to civilian court. Bush didn't believe in parts of the constitution, and the sheeple in the country went along with the attack of our constitution in the name of safeguarding the country because they were emotionally charged at the time.
If you give the government more and more unconstitutional authority, it can and will be used against you in the near future. Ask Governor Elliot Spencer, he was one of the earliest victims of the Patriot Act.
You walked into that one. He had no uniform because he isn't part of a national army.
Exactly, and the geneva conventions are only about war and war conduct by armies, and soldiers of nations. No geneva conventions apply here. You made that way too easy for me.
http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/geneva-convention...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_of_war
In the wikipedia link, go to modern times and it lays it out very well.
You were wrong, he doesn't qualify for civilian court, he qualifies for a firing squad according to international law.
Any other talking points?
You walked into that one. He had no uniform because he isn't part of a national army.
Exactly, and the geneva conventions are only about war and war conduct by armies, and soldiers of nations. No geneva conventions apply here. You made that way too easy for me.
http://www.warriorsfortruth.com/geneva-convention...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner_of_war
In the wikipedia link, go to modern times and it lays it out very well.
You were wrong, he doesn't qualify for civilian court, he qualifies for a firing squad according to international law.
Any other talking points?
On the declaration of war.
Once again you are listening to mantra over fact. Air America, MSNBC, who knows where you picked it up.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_b...
The president has authorization from congress. That is enough.
Congress did authorize the president to act. That was in effect a declaration of hostilities, or war.
Right after 9/11 and even Senator Clinton voted for it.
Just because you don't like that it happened doesn't mean you can re-write history. And the previous administration was very consistent on how it handled cases. It kept them off our shores so that the courts here would have no juristiction and the military could handle them. There were a few cases involving american citizens that was transfered to the US territory, but that is still consistent with current case law.
The way you twist and distort is amazing. Not convincing, but amazing.
And they would be more dependable too.
Congress authorized the use of military force but did not declare war.
It's not that I'm worried about some terrorist that might get waterboarded (although I don't agree with it), i'm more concerned with the unconstitutional extension of government and how they can use that against american citizens. The terrorists have not only help bankrupt our country, but they have helped allow big government violations of our liberty in this country through fear mongering.
The libs fear monger about climate change, and the neocons fear monger about terrorists.
Obama already told the terrorists, that he wouldnt hurt them. He continues to invite them in, and soon, innocent people will die because of his stupidity.
Roger, your knickers are in a bunch, we are on the same side with terrorists, the bigger issue is the increased control the state gains over every day citizens. It is critical that we question the US Government and its rulers. States are finally pushing back a little with Real ID Act, gun rights, healthcare with state nullification.
If we actually had a just war and a real threat to our security then yes, military tribunals etc. etc., however what we have is scare mongering for control. They use to scare us about communism and when that "enemy" broke up we created new ones.
My knickers will remain in a bunch as long as people like you don't realize that muslim terrorist want to kill us. They really do, ask the guy with burned hands who stopped the terrorist wanna be on 12/15.
This is real. And communism is real too, I hate to throw too much at you at once. But ask anyone who swam from Cuba for freedom.
The terrorists don't want capitulation, they want conversion to islam.
There is a valid concern for government using wartime powers.
But think about the past. In World War 2, we had granted huge wartime powers to a socialist president that had been in office for a long time.
Our first priority is to survive. Unless we survive, all the freedoms we have preserved mean nothing. And right now, we do have enemies that want to kill us. Ask the people on the plane in this story. He wanted them dead.
Going after these guys with our Army is like taking a baseball bat into a kindergarten classroom. It's not a war, its the neocons dream of fundamentally changing the world.
We have over 700 military facilities across the world and China with its larger army is stationed in only one country.
The terrorists don't kill many, they have no air force, no navy, etc. etc. In a pure numbers game we trump the 2,973 deaths at the world trade center by millions.
The US government wants everyone to be scared to death to use it to push political agenda. Just like communism. Just like global warming, just like immigration, on and on.
It's big government from the neocons.
And do you refuse to swat a mosquito who might have malaria?
Yes I realize that a handful of extreme terrorists want to kill people.
I refuse to buy into the scare mongering. We have a responsibility to counter it, but when we provoke a lot of it we shouldn't be surprised.
Well suppose it was a war, I don't think that I should have to pay for police officer pay raises in Afghanastan. That's nation building not war.
I'm not sure what you mean by the words you use. Clearly you mean things other than the common definition.
I don't care if terrorists kill 'many'. A few is more than I'm willing to accept. And I shouldn't have to. We have open borders politicians refuse to close. We have intelligence we don't use that leads to the attempts on our plane over detroit. This was is something we can win, at least militarily. It's the political will we don't have, that Rome didn't have.
It doesn't matter how many deaths we have compared to theirs. What matters is if there is one more radical with a suicide vest. Read history, how many communists did Castro lead to power in Cuba?
http://library.thinkquest.org/18355/the_cuban_rev...
There is no excuse for the slaughter of innocent civilians.
An act of that sort is against every treaty and standard of decency.
Don't you realize that's why this enemy is so dangerous. They bring a knife to a handshake and think they are doing it for a greater good.
It's baby sitting. And it's also about what we did in Japan. That worked, but then the political will existed to follow through.
And the use of force was for what? Hostilities, right? What do you think war is?
It's not the United States governments job to nanny state the world. We don't want them to nanny state us about all kinds of things, oh say health care as an example. If conservatives stick to principle they easily see that nation building and nanny stating the world is a 180 from what they tell people their principles are.
It has nothing to do with security, that a lie, Mr. President.
What a grand statement. But what an empty statement.
Show me a case, a specific. If an innocent was murdered (killed isn't a good word for it) then we try and punish our soldiers.
But I notice you haven't mentioned our captured soldiers never receive the same treatment we give theirs. In fact, can you list a single soldier captured my muslim extremists we have taken back alive?
We have been a advocate for freedom and liberty. The huge wars were a great case for that. But, foreign aid is a horrible idea controlled by people that don't represent the average american. If Joe sixpack was writing out the checks and aid things would go a lot differently.
We can manage terrorism….
Why? Just kill it. You don't manage a rattle snake, you put the sucker down.
These are mad dogs and can't be allowed to live or the poison spreads. Just as the taliban are killing the civilians in Afghanistan they don't want to co-exist. They want a one world caliphate with infidels dead or slaves, then dead.
If our government fumbles the ball, and then refuses to learn by those mistakes they need to be held accountable. Nepalitano needs to resign and be retired. Incompetence is never acceptable.
Of course our captured soldiers dont receive good treatment. Just ask John McCain. But McCain also understands that waterboarding is not right, and that two wrongs don't make a right.
You can't justify perpetual war as a solution, any reasonable person understands this. You also can't destroy the principle of liberty just because you have hatred towards someone.
Telling other countries what they should and shouldn't do through military actions is not liberty, its force. Same thing the government does in this country.
Foreign aid is just the transfer of wealth from producers in this country to others, many of whom are muslim nations.
Of course our soldiers don't receive good treatment if they are captured. Just ask John McCain. But McCain will also tell you how waterboarding is wrong.
Supporting perpetual war just doesn't solve anything, besides it's what the terrorists want us to do.
I would think Joe Six pack would prefer to make his own decision on what charity or country he wants his money to go to. That's liberty!
government is never accountable. Look how police circle the wagons when they shoot an unarmed man, as an example. They win by failing, because now they can convince the sheeple that we need to spend even more money on security and foreign occupation, nation building etc. etc.
It's not a winning solution, and exactly what the terrorists want us to do.
If waterboarding (which is better than anything McCain went through) will save a single american life, then I'll donate the water.
Our own troops are waterboarded in training for many military people.
Yes, it's force. And if force makes our world a better place why not? Would you rather speak German? Japanese?
Foreign aid is bribery, which never works long term. That's another issue entirely.
Do you realize you're sounding like the Tip O'Neal democrat position on this? They sounded the exact same way about the cold war. We don't fight wars to fight, we fight wars to win! To make sure we will survive on our own terms.
Perpetual war, that's the liberal 'managed' kind of war. Not the way most americans fight. Just the elites that struggle to control us.
Yes!
Our government is accountable, at the ballot box.
Bush may have finished his second term, but he finished the republican majority too. The two border guards he had prosecuted? The minimalist approach prior to the push in Iraq? The spending, the failure to appoint many constitutional judges?
We held the party accountable, and we will again unless the republicans wake up and behave as the grand old party it's supposed to be.
Roger, Roger, you have placed yourself on an equal level with the Muslims you don't like. Just because they do it, it doesn't make it right for you to copy them and do it back.
Besides, it solves nothing, again, ask McCain, you will say anything when being tortured, he does a good job explaining it in his book and I consider him an expert on being detained after six years in North Vietnam.
Well the Germans and Japanese actually had an army, navy, and air force, you can't compare a couple hundred arabs running around with AK-47's and macgyver bombs to the Germans and Japanese in terms of threat.
The U.S. government can't even define what a win is in Afghanastan.
Should we let the big boys loose like we did on Hiroshima and Nagasaki to let em know who the boss is?
That sounds good.
We don't accept terrorism as right, I expect government to fumble the ball on many things, and Rome is a good thing to mention because they overextended and devalued their currency as well. The United States has decreased its security in my opinion by extending the military into over 700 bases around the world and devaluing the dollar.
We can manage terrorism, but it will always be around.
"There is no excuse for the slaughter of innocent civilians" tell the United States government that as well.
About getting the chance to kill what should already be dead and buried?
Hell yes!
Maybe we can do the job right and not bring anything to court except some pictures of brown stains in the sand.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Simple as that.
John McCain is on my side on this issue, and again, he spent six years in North 'Nam son, he knows something about being detained.
Is this Dick Cheney i'm talking to?
Not under Obama. A real leader could define victory. A reason many independents are sorry for their vote for Obama.
Ask any soldier if he would rather risk discomfort of a terrorist for 5 minutes, or hundres/thousands of american lives. They did take an oath to defend us, remember?And for you to place the two on equal footing? You are a troll.And not morally honest either.
They were our enemies, and in that they are equals.
I don't care about John McCain. He was a losing candidate because he didn't speak for enough conservatives. And he still doesn't. So, if you're looking for a moral authority on anything, he's no the one to use. I applaud his service to the country, but at this point he just doesn't know when to shut up and sit down.The muslims murdering anyone, (like Daniel Pearl) is nothing like us causing discomfort to save american lives. And I would be proud to shake Dick Cheney's hand. Now, he's the one I like listening to, and his wife has a lot of brains too.You? I'm not so sure, simple as that.
Terrorism will always exist, you just have to manage the problem.
I don't care for McCain as a politician, i'm just citing him because he has first hand experience with torture.
Cheney needs to go play with the grandkids, he's part of the reason the Republican brand is so tarnished. He sure didn't believe in the constitution, but none of them do.
And that didn't work for Clinton. It's not working for Obama.
All these high principaled theories sound great, but can you give one example of success?
It only took less than 90 terrorists to conquer Cuba. Terrorists have to be stopped, and killed, or innocent people die.
There is no acceptable rate of casualties.
And based on his first hand experience, he comes with a strong bias and may not be able to look at things objectively.
Cheney needs to keep speaking out. He has done more to protect our country against terrorism than McCain.
You seem to work from the failed premise that moderates will save our party, well my party. Moderates fail every time.
Look at the last election, it proved my point completely.
Moderates have ruined the republican brand. Big government progressive republicans are mainly what is in congress. And that's what will mainly get elected in 2010, because they don't push principles, they push politics. Lindsey Graham loves green energy, McCain loves amnesty, on and on. The republicans are like the democrats just a different flavor.
Let me guess, you were one of the 'progressive' ones calling for McCain since he was such a maverick. (and he lost)
Were you in favor of the white house pushing Arlen Spector since he was main stream, and stood a better chance of victory?
It's true there is a problem with RINO's and it's being addressed, state by state. Nebraska retired one last election Chuck Hagel.
While what you said it true, republicans aren't independent enough from the liberal mantra, we are different.
Bush never had anyone in education that passed out rubber gloves and taught kids how to fist each other. And the liberals call us tea baggers?
Republicans took care of Lott when he said something much more benign then what Reid said. THere is a difference between parties, so don't even try saying there isn't.
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McCain no good.
Arlen Specter no good.
If you believe healthcare is a right and not a good or service then Scott Brown is your Republican man.
No difference between the parties, they both believe in big government to tell people how to live and take taxes to transfer wealth to selected groups. Just differences on the surface.
Republican's didn't appoint anyone that brought rubber gloves and KY to school kids, with instructions how to fist each other.
Our party needs to be taken back, but it's not the same as democrats.
Hey, Roger, your alive, that's just wrong but that's what you get when the government has a monopoly on the education system.
If a republican got up and said he was all for elimination of the department of education and parents could choose if and where they wanted to send their kids them I'm all for it.
It was Obama that put the last nail in the coffin for school choice in DC. Bush kept it going.
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