Sunday Open Thread: Cheka Edition
by PubliusToday, in 1917, Cheka, the first Soviet secret police, was established.

Today, in 1917, Cheka, the first Soviet secret police, was established.

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Posted Dec 20th 2009 at 4:01 am in Open Threads |
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There simply is no other way to explain the statements of White House Chief of Staff Jacob Lew this morning on CNN's State of the Union. Lew was asked by Candy Crawley about a recent statement by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid indicating he would not be bringing a...






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It's coming to America soon under these communists.
Make no mistake, Socialism is communisms little brother.
"Be not deceived, bad company corrupts good character"
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Obama has surrounded himself with Socialist and communist eggheds who have never held jobs that were not government subsidized.
I watched "Night Crossing" last night. It was a true story about two families who escaped East Germany in 1979 by building a hot air balloon.
I've also watched several other films about East Germany, the Stasi and communism/socialism. Many of the people trying to escape or overthrow had NO IDEA what it was like to live as a free person, to have the opportunity to craft their lives as THEY WANTED, yet they still risked their lives for freedom.
When I hear people say or write "how much money does a person need to make, after all?", then proceed to bash wealthier people, I become afraid, no exaggeration. When I hear the phrases "for the collective good" or "everyone is equal and has the same outcome" I become afraid.
I think it starts in schools with awards and rewards being handed out to everyone regardless of performance. When the kids grow up they realize it doesn't work that way, and they feel socially oppressed.
It has to stop!
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Sorry for being so "present" here today, but this topic struck a nerve.
The whole NEA thing with the artwork and messages look SO much like East Germany/USSR.
It is frightening.
Make no mistake. The solution MUST begin in 2010… Are you ready?
Go to: "2012 Victory or Death"on Utube.
Remember, the majority of American citizens are opposed to Obama and his henchmen. When you upset the majority, you have one big problem on your hands, All the lies in the world will not change that. More people are becomming aware of Obama's intentions and do not like it. The American people resent being told what to do and will not tolerate it for very long. Remember history, citizens will unite in a common cause and I promise you we will and Obama and his buddies better know it.
Had we only understood his plan one year ago we would not be in this planned mess.
Have faith in our remaining system. Vote with your mind and not your wallet.
Looks like the commies of the 60's finally got their foot in the door, especially with bully's and haters like Rham Emanuel, and the likes…WE THE PEOPLE are going to get physical on the next march on Washington..if we want our country back…these criminals in the White House can keep changing the laws until we have no more rights, if we wait too long!!
The Time cover of Bernake looks like Lenin.
I'd like to see the WH visitor's log for today- probably a big party with Andy Stern and other Bolshevik twits, LOL
http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com...
I hope people will reduce the rhetoric about "getting physical" for the time beings, let's not give Obama any excuses to implement his national civilian "brown shirt brigades". There is no need to get there yet.. but be vigilant people.
Serve.gov…need I say more? Obama's got his brownshirts and all they had to do was sign up to "volunteer".
Socialism is the stpping stone to communism.. They've removed God and/or Christian teachings in our Public School systems….step #1. Control the banking system…..step #2 Control property, by use of taxes, zoning laws, govt buy-out of RE Property for the good of somebody, excessive DNR regulations, Always cause a crisis if one isn't happening, Racial topics are a good one to use….Govt purchases of private industry, well that just happened….We are in cultural and spiritual war and losing!
Two plus two equals four!
http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/newt-gingrich-vide...
close to 50% of Americans rely on govt. revenue, were close to the point of no return when there are so many parasites living off the productive members of our society. Govt. class has a parasitical relationship with the productive class of our society, and the govt. class is non-social, they rely on force to get what they want, whereas the productive class relies on freedom and persuasion. Which class is a more civil society
Somebody in America gets it! Unfortunately, most Americans do not even know that many of our founding fathers, i.e., such as Ben Franklin (besides being a Mason, he was also an Illuminati member for the coming "New World Order!" However, it had to be kept "secret" or the new "commoner's" fleeing Europe's tyranny would have killed most of our forefathers at the stake, such as Franklin, Washington, Jefferson, Adams, etc.!
PS: The Illuminati was set into motion only a month before our Declaration of Independence! Not to mention, in New York of all places, in 1790, it was revealed by a Mason, and he was killed before much was able to get out!
It started out this way in the 60's led by Bill Airs(sp?) and company with the minutemen organization believing that there was going to be a black uprising, but because of a lack of brain power, white men had to lead it! Sound familiar? Manson tried to copy this idea, didn't he?
Do you know at what point that changes?
I know these guys! First it was Cheka, then NKVD, and finally KGB. Felix Dzherzhinksy was the first CEO – that's Communism Enforcement Officer. Cheka your freedom at the door. Got a square named after him in Moscow. Lefties may think America is bad, but how many squares in our nation's capitol are named after secret police chiefs? Borscht for Thought.
I wish one of these sunday morning anchors who are interviewing David Axelrod what will they do if they pass HCR and it doesn't work. What happens if premeiums go up (they will). What happens if more are not insured (they won't). What happens if Seniors are denied care (they will). What happens when the new taxes sends our economy into a DEPRESSION (it will).
Will our god finally say he was wrong?
I don't think so.
It's a sad day for super-heroes…..
Well, and civil libertarians, too.
HOLY HYPOCRISY! DICK GRAYSON NOW FIGHTING FREEDOM OF SPEECH
http://naturalfake.wordpress.com/2009/12/19/holy-...
when we are not allowed to peaceably assemble. then it will be time to break out the guns. UNtil then bullhorns, emails, tea parties and voters registration drives should suffice, we can save the pitchforks, tar and feathers for a little while
Great News, Freddie & Fannie are in debt for 40 Billion each, They figure when its done it will be about 100 Billion, Barney Frank says we have to relax Mortgage Underwriting Guidelines because we need to get some people in all those empty houses. Of course Obozo agrees we should give mortgages to those who cant pay them back. Thats the Hoax & Chains you can believe in.!
everyone does that, Bush the elder was the director of teh CIA, and there are streets, squares, schools etc named after him, The FBI headquarters is named for J Edgar Hoover, the tradition isn't just a commie one. Remembe, tehy considered these guys heroes., and in a sense they were, and they were very patriotic. heir hearts were in the right place, but their heads were up their arses
Это кажется камрадом что они никогда не пошли прочь. Вы встречали га-н Путин?
Да, он – страшный.
I just heard that Fannie and Freddie got $800 million apiece!!
I fell asleep watching Casablanca and woke up watching Dr. Zhivago.
Не смогите понять почему настолько много людей хотят коммунизм.
The way this site operates, I think, it would welcome Communism- as long as Breitbart is in charge.
Fer Crissakes! Relaxed (actually, non-existent) mortgage qualification standards are exactly what caused this mess in the first place. Do Frank and Obama never learn?
Those who spoke out were called racists and laughed at. Remember?
When I woke up this morning I had no electrical power…GEORGE BUSH'S FAULT!!!
The parties’ power is their money and party affiliation. Registering unaffiliated will strip their consumers away and force them to be ACCOUNTABLE.. Only (real) people in that district should be allowed to contribute. .Gerrymandering should be outlawed. Districts should about representation not affiliation. This list goes on.. Politicians don’t listen to the people because they don’t have to.. The electoral system has been rigged for re-election not representation. Registering unaffiliated works because it scares both government parties to death. This is a protest that will work because the parties base the evil acts on the numbers of party members..
Agreed, gerrymandering is twisted and unfair just like every politician who wants it or has it done.
The good thing is unfortunately, is that it can benegit both sides.
A Nebraska Tragedy: The Selling of Ben Nelson Soul
We are a simple people in Nebraska but do not misinterpret the term "simple" to mean dumb. Far from it.
In Nebraska, we take you at what you say. We are not a people who likes parsing of words. We are not a people who likes shades of meaning. You say what you mean and you mean what you say and then you follow through on your words:
-"My vote is not for sale. Period." – Ben Nelson quoted in Lincoln Journal Star December 16, 2009
What Nebraskans woke up to this morning according to FOXNEWS:
-Critics were calling it the "cornhusker kickback" and the "Nebraska windfall," lobbing accusations of political deal-making at Nelson. "It's pretty obvious votes have been bought," Sen. Saxby Chambliss, R-Ga., said.
-But Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., said Nelson's victory came at the expense of the other 49 states. "That puts an added burden on all the other states, including mine," he said on "Fox News Sunday. "McCain suggested the Obama administration wouldn't be in such a position if it had governed in a more bipartisan way.
"That's why they're in the position of having to purchase the last vote or two," McCain said.
And how about that moral dilemma on abortion on which we heard so much from Nelson for the past several weeks. The reaction to the "compromise" language Nelson claims he fought so hard for can be found in the two statewide newspapers:
- “There is no pro-life Nebraskan more devastated by Senator Nelson's actions than myself,'' said Julie Schmit-Albin, executive director of Nebraska Right to Life. “I have defended his record to Nebraskans and believed that he would stand on pro-life principles as he has on numerous occasions in the past. … It is a very sobering day for myself personally and for pro-lifers across Nebraska and the nation.” (Joseph Morton, Omaha World Herald)
-Johanns described the abortion compromise as nothing more than an “accounting gimmick” and said he could not imagine how any “pro-life senator” could support it. (Joseph Morton, Omaha World Herald)
-In a stunning choice of words, Republican U.S. Senator Mike Johanns described the abortion compromise negotiated by his Nebraska colleague as "reprehensible." (Don Walton, Lincoln Journal Star)
I believe that we will find that as the days go on and Nebraskans statewide come to realize how Senator Nelson sold his vote and his soul to Liberals in Washington, the anger will only increase.
Be assured America, we will clean up our own house . . .
Ummm, the Cheka were responsible for the Red Terror (or at least played a major role in it), which kind of means they killed, oh, thousands of their own people, and imprisoned thousands more. The CIA's domestic legacy is pretty trivial compared to that (they maybe have killed, oh, dozens?), and the FBI has never rounded up thousands of people and executed them either. So while there is a parallel in that both states had intelligence agencies, the Soviet intelligence actively killed and imprisoned their own people, whereas the CIA just kills and imprisons people from other countries, and the FBI just mostly sticks it's nose into people's business, but doesn't usually shoot them in the back.
until the government parties address these issues of representation they don't support a republic or freedom, but socialism.
I most certainly trust that the good people of Nebraska will get rid of this turncoat!! How devastating it must have been, to find out that the person that was supposedly representing the people of Nebraska, sold his soul to the devil!! This is what is called a Faustian deal…good luck to you all & have a very Merry Christmas!
Um, that's a joke, right, xhist? Never read Gualag Archipelago, huh? I see a big difference between G-Men and KGB killers. One was an organization of government-employed citizens targeting criminals. The other was an organization of government-employed criminals targeting citizens. I'll leave you to figure out which was which, since you seem to have all this down.
Well, I guess the Bolsheviks had their priorities straight: murder *then* oppression.
Pay czars, the snitch-a-neighbor website, the Fox News war and many other things are SO disturbing to me.
The liberals have got to go, and if that means holding my nose to vote for a Republican that I don't like, I will. The liberals HAVE to be in the minority in 2010.
Unless you are ready to go to Washington and do civil disobedience and get arrested for standing up for your constitution which plays into their hands… WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? Help the republicans? That does nothing for a democratic district, because of gerrymandering a democrat will be re-elected that is why they don’t listen.. Both government parties did this to you!! Please don’t forget the for sale sign the republican have on. Register unaffiliated and take your power back.. Register every one to unaffiliated and take your country back.. Why are the republicans scared because their party is shrinking.
dont overcomplicate things, socialism and communism are the same thing…government intervention
Do you have a recall provision in Nebraska?
so do most photos of obama . gazing ahead towards a glorious socialist future.
What planet are you from?
You mean like leave the tar on low?
I always took simple to mean uncomplicated. unlike the 1000 plus page bills going thru congress that some congresscritters truthfully said they dont read because they wont understand whats in them.
what and no state dinner at the whitehouse to memorialize the anniversery that is very odd.
its ok Victor…. Tighten up the tinfoil hat and try to relax… Conspiracy Theory is on wednesday night…..
How can you demand a change from democrat to republican when in reality it changes nothing.. Both gov parties have been stealing freedom and wasting taxpayer dollars forever.. The parties only seek power and money.. THIS POST proves the people have learned nothing. My guy is the good guy stupidity is alive and well and thus the politicians will continue to destroy this country. If this country falls apart and YOU are looking for someone to blame because you cold and hungry, just look in the mirror because you refused to hold them accountable.
Thanks. I have yet to speak to anyone that is happy about this. It's not Nebraska. We just don't do things like this. In fact, it's embarrassing. In general, we are people who lend a helping hand to anyone who needs help and not with our hand out looking for unfair advantage.
As for a recall provision, we do and in fact, it's interesting you should bring that up. I've left a v/m with a friend in Lincoln who is very involved in politics and I want to talk to her about what she thinks about a recall petition drive. I really think if it's set up correctly, it could get done. If nothing, we scare the living h-ll out of Nelson.
In the end, I think his internal polling is going to get so bad that if we can't get the recall done, he will end up deciding not to run for re-election. That option is the one I least prefer because we have to wait for 2012.
There'll be nowhere to run from the new world government
'Global' thinking won't necessarily solve the world's problems, says Janet Daley
By Janet Daley
Published: 7:24PM GMT 19 Dec 2009
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The committee to save the world: Barack Obama, Nicolas Sarkozy, Angela Merkel, Gordon Brown and other leaders at the Copenhagen climate talks Photo: AFP/GETTY
There is scope for debate – and innumerable newspaper quizzes – about who was the most influential public figure of the year, or which the most significant event. But there can be little doubt which word won the prize for most important adjective. 2009 was the year in which "global" swept the rest of the political lexicon into obscurity. There were "global crises" and "global challenges", the only possible resolution to which lay in "global solutions" necessitating "global agreements". Gordon Brown actually suggested something called a "global alliance" in response to climate change. (Would this be an alliance against the Axis of Extra-Terrestrials?)
Some of this was sheer hokum: when uttered by Gordon Brown, the word "global", as in "global economic crisis", meant: "It's not my fault". To the extent that the word had intelligible meaning, it also had political ramifications that were scarcely examined by those who bandied it about with such ponderous self-importance. The mere utterance of it was assumed to sweep away any consideration of what was once assumed to be the most basic principle of modern democracy: that elected national governments are responsible to their own people – that the right to govern derives from the consent of the electorate.
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The dangerous idea that the democratic accountability of national governments should simply be dispensed with in favour of "global agreements" reached after closed negotiations between world leaders never, so far as I recall, entered into the arena of public discussion. Except in the United States, where it became a very contentious talking point, the US still holding firmly to the 18th-century idea that power should lie with the will of the people
Nor was much consideration given to the logical conclusion of all this grandiose talk of global consensus as unquestionably desirable: if there was no popular choice about approving supranational "legally binding agreements", what would happen to dissenters who did not accept their premises (on climate change, for example) when there was no possibility of fleeing to another country in protest? Was this to be regarded as the emergence of world government? And would it have powers of policing and enforcement that would supersede the authority of elected national governments? In effect, this was the infamous "democratic deficit" of the European Union elevated on to a planetary scale. And if the EU model is anything to go by, then the agencies of global authority will involve vast tracts of power being handed to unelected officials. Forget the relatively petty irritations of Euro‑bureaucracy: welcome to the era of Earth-bureaucracy, when there will be literally nowhere to run.
But, you may say, however dire the political consequences, surely there is something in this obsession with global dilemmas. Economics is now based on a world market, and if the planet really is facing some sort of man-made climate crisis, then that too is a problem that transcends national boundaries. Surely, if our problems are universal the solutions must be as well.
Well, yes and no. Calling a problem "global" is meant to imply three different things: that it is the result of the actions of people in different countries; that those actions have impacted on the lives of everyone in the world; and that the remedy must involve pretty much identical responses or correctives to those actions. These are separate premises, any of which might be true without the rest of them necessarily being so. The banking crisis certainly had its roots in the international nature of finance, but the way it affected countries and peoples varied considerably according to the differences in their internal arrangements. Britain suffered particularly badly because of its addiction to public and private debt, whereas Australia escaped relatively unscathed.
Well, yes and no. Calling a problem "global" is meant to imply three different things: that it is the result of the actions of people in different countries; that those actions have impacted on the lives of everyone in the world; and that the remedy must involve pretty much identical responses or correctives to those actions. These are separate premises, any of which might be true without the rest of them necessarily being so. The banking crisis certainly had its roots in the international nature of finance, but the way it affected countries and peoples varied considerably according to the differences in their internal arrangements. Britain suffered particularly badly because of its addiction to public and private debt, whereas Australia escaped relatively unscathed.
That a problem is international in its roots does not necessarily imply that the solution must involve the hammering out of a uniform global prescription: in fact, given the differences in effects and consequences for individual countries, the attempt to do such hammering might be a huge waste of time and resources that could be put to better use devising national remedies. France and Germany seem to have pulled themselves out of recession over the past year (and the US may be about to do so) while Britain has not. These variations owe almost nothing to the pompous, overblown attempts to find global solutions: they are largely to do with individual countries, under the pressure of democratic accountability, doing what they decide is best for their own people.
This is not what Mr Brown calls "narrow self-interest", or "beggar my neighbour" ruthlessness. It is the proper business of elected national leaders to make judgments that are appropriate for the conditions of their own populations. It is also right that heads of nations refuse to sign up to "legally binding" global agreements which would disadvantage their own people. The resistance of the developing nations to a climate change pact that would deny them the kind of economic growth and mass prosperity to which advanced countries have become accustomed is not mindless selfishness: it is proper regard for the welfare of their own citizens.
The word "global" has taken on sacred connotations. Any action taken in its name must be inherently virtuous, whereas the decisions of individual countries are necessarily "narrow" and self-serving. (Never mind that a "global agreement" will almost certainly be disproportionately influenced by the most powerful nations.) Nor is our era so utterly unlike previous ones, for all its technological sophistication. We have always needed multilateral agreements, whether about trade, organised crime, border controls, or mutual defence.
If the impact of our behaviour on humanity at large is much greater or more rapid than ever before then we shall have to find ways of dealing with that which do not involve sacrificing the most enlightened form of government ever devised. There is a whiff of totalitarianism about this new theology, in which the risks are described in such cosmic terms that everything else must give way. "Globalism" is another form of the internationalism that has been a core belief of the Left: a commitment to class rather than country seemed an admirable antidote to the "blood and soil" nationalism that gave rise to fascism.
The nation-state has never quite recovered from the bad name it acquired in the last century as the progenitor of world war. But if it is to be relegated to the dustbin of history then we had better come up with new mechanisms for allowing people to have a say in how they are governed. Maybe that could be next year's global challenge.
Soviet, maybe, but the Czars had plenty of Secret Policemen.
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