ClimateGate: Scientists Behaving Badly
by PubliusOver at the Weekly Standard, the always impressive Steven Hayward has a good summation of where we are in Climate Gate:

Slowly and mostly unnoticed by the major news media, the air has been going out of the global warming balloon. Global temperatures stopped rising a few years ago, much to the dismay of the climate campaigners. The U.N.’s upcoming Copenhagen conference–which was supposed to yield a binding greenhouse gas emissions reduction treaty as a successor to the failed Kyoto Protocol–collapsed weeks in advance and remains on life support pending Obama’s magical intervention. Cap and trade legislation is stalled on Capitol Hill. Recent opinion polls from Gallup, Pew, Rasmussen, ABC/Washington Post, and other pollsters all find a dramatic decline in public belief in human-caused global warming. The climate campaigners continue to insist this is because they have a “communications” problem, but after Al Gore’s Nobel Prize/Academy Award double play, millions of dollars in paid advertising, and the relentless doom-mongering from the media echo chamber and the political class, this excuse is preposterous. And now the climate campaign is having its Emperor’s New Clothes moment.
In mid-November a large cache of emails and technical documents from the Climate Research Unit (CRU) at the University of East Anglia in Britain were made available on a number of Internet file-servers for download by the public–either the work of a hacker or a leak from a whistleblower on the inside. The emails–more than 1,000 of them–reveal a small cabal of scientists who, in the words of MIT’s Michael Schrage, engaged in “malice, mischief and Machiavellian maneuverings.” In an ironic twist, one of the frequent correspondents in this long e‑trail (University of Arizona scientist Jonathan Overpeck) warned several of his colleagues in September, “Please write all emails as though they will be made public.” Small wonder why. It’s being called Climategate, but more than one wit is calling them “the CRUtape Letters.”
As in the furor over Dan Rather’s fabricated documents about George W. Bush’s National Guard service back in 2004, bloggers have been swarming over the material and highlighting the bad faith, bad science, and possibly even criminal behavior (deleting material requested under Britain’s Freedom of Information Act and perhaps tax evasion) of a small group of highly influential climate scientists. As with Rathergate, diehard climate campaigners are repairing to the “fake but accurate” defense–what these scientists did may be unethical or deeply biased, they say, but the science is settled, don’t you know, so move along, nothing to see here. There are a few notable exceptions, such as Guardian columnist George Monbiot, who in the past has trafficked in the most extreme climate mongering: “It’s no use pretending that this isn’t a major blow,” Monbiot wrote in a November 23 column. “The emails extracted by a hacker from the climatic research unit at the University of East Anglia could scarcely be more damaging. . . . I’m dismayed and deeply shaken by them. . . . I was too trusting of some of those who provided the evidence I championed. I would have been a better journalist if I had investigated their claims more closely.” Monbiot has joined a number of prominent climate scientists in demanding that the CRU figures resign their posts and be excluded from future climate science work. The head of the CRU, Phil Jones, announced last week that he will temporarily step down pending an investigation.
Hayward’s conclusion:
Climate change is a genuine phenomenon, and there is a nontrivial risk of major consequences in the future. Yet the hysteria of the global warming campaigners and their monomaniacal advocacy of absurdly expensive curbs on fossil fuel use have led to a political dead end that will become more apparent with the imminent collapse of the Kyoto-Copenhagen process. I have long expected that 20 or so years from now we will look back on the turn-of-the-millennium climate hysteria in the same way we look back now on the population bomb hysteria of the late 1960s and early 1970s–as a phenomenon whose magnitude and effects were vastly overestimated, and whose proposed solutions were wrongheaded and often genuinely evil (such as the forced sterilizations of thousands of Indian men in the 1970s, much of it funded by the Ford Foundation). Today the climate campaigners want to forcibly sterilize the world’s energy supply, and until recently they looked to be within an ace of doing so. But even before Climategate, the campaign was beginning to resemble a Broadway musical that had run too long, with sagging box office and declining enthusiasm from a dwindling audience. Someone needs to break the bad news to the players that it’s closing time for the climate horror show.
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“In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.” – Galileo Galilei, contrarian astronomer.
Rush Limbaugh has always had a great synopsis on things like SUV's and climate change. Look at the waste of fuel etc that the summit or whatever they are calling it this coming week in Copenhagen. Shame!!! Shame!!!
The Conservative Edge
Al Gore needs to be jailed. Mann made global warming, from Pennn State to state pen.
They sure do.
Outstanding read. Thanks for the link Sir.
(What is going to happen to all the children? How do you 'unwash' their poor brains? And quite frankly this and other
attempts by this shadow enterprise – this creepy parallel government – to wash the brains of American children while they attempt to distribute the wealth of their parents are well past their welcome in my life.
Stop washing their brains and just teach them. Why is that a problem?)
These morons have been at it for many decades; THEY LIE, ARE CORRUPT, THEY ARE HYSTERICS, THEY'VE ALL MADE MONEY FROM PROMULGATING ONE HOAX AFTER ANOTHER, AND THEY ALL BELONG IN A PENAL MENTAL WARD; ESPECIALLY AL GORE !
Just by living long enough ( these past 30 years ), everything that they have stated has been demonstrably proven wrong.
Beautiful final paragraph there.
I am praying for a huge 20 day non-stop blizzard for Copenhagen and 1000 miles around. Care to join in my prayers?
You morons want to carry out your destruction of the environment under your free market small govt capitalism huh ! You want to pay less taxes and live kingly lives doing nothing when the rest of the world is producing goods for you to consume ? Scientific evidence on global warming is plenty – that said you losers wouldn't even believe the evidence if it were spoon fed to you. Guess what you are too materialistic to even care. Anything that threatens your desire to live comfortably at the expense of others, to you, needs to be done away with. Shame of you right wing dodo brains. Shame of on your leaders – Sarah Palin, Rush Lim, Glenn Beck …loud mouthed disrespectful racist scumbags.
Wow, you really are a fricken idiot.
I'm sorry, but I don't live comfortably "at the expense" of others. I work hard for my paycheck, and I will spend it HOWEVER I want with what I have left after the government takes a bunch. You don't like the low wages in another country – GO THEIR AND CHANGE IT!! (oh, but that's right, you'd be shot by their government – because THAT'S THEY WAY THEY WANT IT) And the sad thing is, most companies move overseas BECAUSE of taxes HERE (and unions), not wages over there.
Do you even KNOW what causes most pollution?? POVERTY and COMMUNISM (which causes all it's PEOPLE to be poor because it takes everything from them)
And please show is "all this evidence", because EVERY group and study REFERS back to this same groups FALSE numbers – so of course they are all going to "seem" the same. If they actually had the REAL numbers it would show that the earth ISN'T warming. It SNOWED in HOUSTON, TX on Dec 4th? Where's that @#$%%&&* global warming you idiot?
NotOne, I would love to discuss this issue with you if you would just calm down and make your case. For now, let me just say that:
1. We don't want to destroy the environment.
2. We wish the US was producing more of those goods we consume itself. In fact, high US corporate taxes and regulations (including environmental), both of which you sound in favor of, are a big reason those factories are in "the rest of the world."
3. The fabled "religious right" donates, per capita, a greater percentage of its income to charity than just about any other political demographic you could conceive of. Not the sort of thing you would expect from "materialists."
4. You discredit yourself when you end your rant by labeling a selection of random conservatives as "racist," when we know very well they aren't. That insult may still get you places elsewhere, but here we know it is (quite often, anyways) a lie used only to end debate, and throwing it out won't mean a thing.
Dear NotOneof You. How dare you call us morons! You, of the use one sheet of toilet paper crowd! You, of the lets ram flouresant light bulbs down the publics throat! A light bulb that doesn't last as long, requires a hazmat team to dispose of, and is manufactured outside of the US in countries using old soft coal energy sources. You of the electric car. thats of limited usage to a big chunk of the country. I live out where 50 miles won't even get you into town!
You, of Bagwan Al Gore's church of Global Warming, (Oops now climate change!) The same Al Gore who charges $1200 for a handshake, flies around in a private jet, and has a a higher electric bill in one month then I have in a year.
We just aren't buying your panic of the moment BS! If you can come up with unadulterated, unbiased raw data, we might listen, If all you're potential solutions didn't sound like either total idiocy, or returning the majority of the worlds population to either the Stone Age or serfdom, we might listen. You call us morons! All we want are real facts and well thought out solutions, NOT BULL!
Pray for it to hold off until all the conference holders get there! Snow them in for 20 days! and hope that Copenhagen's prostitutes free sex trade, provides them with some noxious momento!
Pardon me, but the total idiocy of the Climate Change garbage, has really punched my buttons today!
"I would have been a better journalist if I had investigated their claims more closely.”
No, you would have been a better journalist if you had done ANY investigation. The counter evidence has been out there for years, presented by highly respected scientists,
I disagree with Hayward's conclusion, especially after reading this excellent review of the code.
The Code is the only "science" involved in the research and the emails show that where the numbers don't fit, they must be made to conform. That forced code is more a patchwork for making stone soup than a nice hot serving of AGW.
All the so-called science flows from the cobbled-together, stretched beyond belief, smoothed over, gap-bridged mess of numbers that no one really believes in as much as their holy process. They put all this stretched beyond belief data into a program and voila! an anomaly shows up! A wholly created anomaly; as in, created out of whole cloth.
People who cling to the idea that AGW is still a viable concern must be able to provide sane, provable, open-reviewed proof of same. Otherwise, we might as well be told to worship fire. Feh.
The only numbers we need are: How many ropes? How many lampposts?
Mr. Hayward your informative article on the latest Global Warming political situation where you mention most of the key people on both sides is excellent and informative. Yet amazingly in your summation you make it clear you fail to grasp the main salient facts the make in this matter.
During the medieval warming period it was warmer than it has ever been since, and, the CO2 levels were even higher then due to the fact that higher CO2 levels follow higher temps, not the other way around…There are more polar bears now than in the past 30 years, they are not endangered. The amount of CO2 generated by man is a fraction of what evaporates from the planet’s oceans every day. Relax my good man, you can jump in your SUV and head on down to the Steak House.
Oh and Mr. Notoneofus, FY, I if you are in the northern hemisphere you belief system is flushing down the toilet in clockwise direction. It's science man, deal with it. LOL
I can do BOTH! I hope all their limos get stuck in 15 foot tall snowbanks and the private jets get wind shear and iced wings while falling into the Atlantic where it is oh sooooooooooo warm!
Meanwhile the EPA is set to declare CO2 a public danger warranting their immediate action. In open political blackmail, EPA is demanding Congress act now, so they can carve out their earmarks and protect certain special interests, or the EPA will simply limit CO2 emissions as they see fit with a blanket approach.
Since the EPA would not be engaging in "carbon credits trading" which would make Algore et al very unhappy, frankly I would like to see them try. There would still be a massive push for energy efficiency, resulting in much "greener" technology, and the reducing of our dependence on foreign oil. The companies pushing "green" will still be doing great business. But there would not be the far costlier transfer of wealth by the carbon schemes, and no additional federal bureaucracies to manage the schemes of hidden taxation.
Of course the politicians will insist this be immediately stopped, as virtually everyone's ox gets gored, and the EPA will get overruled higher up the administration chain, possibly by Barry himself. Which will cause a very messy scandal as the liberals have to explain to their brainwashed environmental voting base why stopping this simple regulation is such a wonderful thing.
AGW is bogus, I'm convinced. But, ff AGW were real and demanded the sort of action the alarmists say, I'd rather die than go along with it. But until we sizzle, drown, or bake. I'd want us to keep the gasoline and oil flowing. I'd drive my SUV pedal-to-the-metal until it's all over, so at least I can breathe Free until I breathe my last.
We were meant to be a capitalist nation. Van Jones refers to "gray capitalism." I don't know where in the hell he got that. Capitalism is vibrant, moving, exciting. Capitalism has all the hues of the rainbow within it, plus some. Capitalism relies on the individual, not the hive, for its forward motion.
The collectivist, working-man's Utopia is reverse of capitalism. It would be fine-tuned and centrally-planned, in other words, a way of life that's TRULY gray, drab, and without joy. I wouldn't want to live in Van Jonestown. I'd rather die.
Air has been let out of their balloon, but they will be back soon. Communism or it's baby sister, Socialism, must be implemented world wide in order to work. These people have invested their whole life into the effort to further leftism. They will retool their messsage, and come back again.
Well, for Al Gore, maybe a penile mental ward, rather than penal.
Just kidding. Not really.
What a standoff!!
Obama will certainly not take the fall for Gore. Gore will not take the fall for Obama; he has too much money at stake. And true science is left to die in the dirt.
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Anyone care to remember the great HRT drug controversy that both "science" and consensus said every woman past menopause needed to take artificially created hormone drugs, for life?
There are living examples out there of billions of dollars were being made doing things that caused harm, deep harm to generations of women who had these pills crammed down their throats …..by the experts who wore white coats. And the drug advertising dollar happy media who worked hand in glove in this vast medical conspiracy.
Yet, no science existed to support this use. None.
It was all "consensus" and trash science, mainly conducted and skewed by the drug companies. Most of the recommendations never even carried a footnote to even one credible study. And finally when NIH ran the be all end all study to put any lingering doubt or controversy to rest and drug the massive baby boomer demographics, they finally had to admit these drugs were harming, not helping women.
If it is still hard to believe "scientists" and our "goverment" and licensed professional helpers could do something so craven, so self-serving, so repugnent, look no further than the overnight crash of the HRT drug market. The irony of course is the NIH science had outcomes they finally could not ignore. They did not want to believe it .They refused to halt the study even when the results were coming in so poorly. They got led by the drug companies to keep it under wraps for a few more years while they aggressively sold as much of the crap as they could.
But finally, "science" did win. And poof the HRT drug market was gone .And women's breast cancer rates have been going down ever since.
Never heard about any of this? Well, should you be surprised. It is real. Check out the few brave souls who kept this story alive. Is the Church of Global Warming any different than the Church of HRT Drugs? Follow the money. Follow the Peid Pipers.
"loud mouthed disrespectful racist scumbags" says it all. LOLOL. What pray tell does the environment have to do with rascism? You are a moron.
ROLLING STONE magazine already gave him a rolled up sock or two, to "help" with that problem.
Wow, NotOneofYou. I would think you would be grateful that the world is not in the process of vaporizing. Yet, you insist that all the fraudulent science is true.
You need to find a new religious belief.
Jimmy,
NINETY-NINE percent correct! Except that even with the whole world, Socialism/Communism is still slavery, and will result in an equal distribution of misery (except for the elites).
My dear NotOneofYou…………….it is YOU who is the MORON.
Your grammar is so horrific, that seven year old children can and do write better sentences; yet you dare to call us "morons"?
"Shame of (SIC ) right wing dodo brains" ? Are you two years old, or is it that you just have the IQ of a pet rock?
"Shame of ( SIC ) on you leaders…………………………."? You can't even spell LIMBAUGH !
"RACIST"? Here's a clue, guano ( that's bat excrement, for the uneducated ) for brains…………….the irrational and ubiquitous use of "racist", by crazed lefties, every time they run into someone who doesn't march in lockstep with their beliefs, has now rendered that term meaningless!
AMEN !
If IF Communism or Solcialism is instituted world wide………………..IT STILL WOULDN'T WORK !
Global Warming?
Seventeen below zero on my porch this morning, a foot of snow and not one pickup made in Detroit would start. Had to feed my cows with a team of horses.
You'd think that azzhole Algore would at least volunteer to fork hay…………
I'm praying as we speak that the conference is iced in.
Excellent summoning up of this scam, otherwise I recommend to study every word of Lord Monckton
[scienceandpublicpolicy.org] on this issue. He knows, as myself what they have done in Europe to enslave us, how they became environmentalist on the night the Berlin Wall fell, their greatest downer.. Americans has not to the same extent been attached by these stealth communists, who are behind this scam. When these people have reached the White House, and the liberals hold both houses, you better watch out.
It’s only Americans that can save us, by exposing them, so they never ever try again. Because the main stream media is in their camp. If this battle can be won, we have a network through Internet that can protect Freedom for ever. These hackers and whistle blowers are God sent, for exposing this scam. Many more Hannah and James, should get to work. Then prosecute Gore and his “scientist” friend will wake up the public. I am a Norwegian, and I can tell you who gave Carter, Gore and Obama the Peace Price, and why. Still I will recommend foreign (American) journalists to do their research, but not Michael Murphy. The one thing that has stopped them, has been freedom loving Americans, and that you have law makers who actually have pay attention to the electorate.
Hi NOOY.
I am in Peru and FREEZING right now. Unless you can prove to me that you have unredacted data that is true, I will not believe the global warming phenomenon. I am subtropical, and we are very cold in the middle of summer. Is this why you have to call it "global climate change?" Sorry, sweetie, but if you go to the middle of any desert and you pick up sea shells, or look at any side of a mountain range, and see the stones go horizontal, that was climate change before man ever stepped foot on this earth. I saw the Nasca lines yesterday, and there is nothing that you can tell me unless you have real evidence that there is anything to man-made global warming….OUR SUN IS IN CHARGE OF IT, NOT MAN!
Sorry NOOY. You have me going while I have internet access in Peru.
I know you have good intentions, but don't change the rest of the world for all the people who can come out of their pitiful lives from the good works of pure capitalism…Good hard working people get paid, earn their money out of making a living. Not by taxing others so that government can cream the top (or to the middle, depending on where you are).. I have to ask you, have you traveled to the poor countries of this world, do you really think that America is the problem? We are their best chance of getting out of their problems. Go visit any port city, look at what wealth and middle classes are being built out of American tourism, and see what you think. Please just don't say that you don't travel and make your decisions.
Hi 1RC! Actually (thrilled to be online at BigGovt while here in Peru) Guano is any excrement of birds or bats, here they have islands where the guano is harvested and sold worldwide for fertilizer…factiod that I know you would enjoy…. 22 islands off the coast of Peru yields about 200B KG for the world….and the birds have a beautiful habitat alone to themselves, there's no labor involved except humans..Liberals should take notice.
Now that's some Sh_t that we all need!
From the Southern Cross, good night!
Hi tawnylawyer……………….I'm glad that you found your way here, all they way from Peru.
Yes, I know all bout Peru's islands, where guano is hatrbested. I learned all about that, in grammar school, when American schools, public, parochial, and private were still actually TEACHING and educating children, instead of force feeding them propaganda and HOAXES as "facts".
Many thanks for your post; I'm sure that those who don't know about this have now learned a great factoid.
best comment i've seen about the (now cancelled) Al Gore fundraiser, posted by "Corndog" on Townhall.com:
"$1,200 dollars?
To shake algore's hand!?!
I think not.
But I'd seriously consider it to kick him in the package."
See? They predicted this…
GLOBAL WARMING!
HumanPersonJr
I would guess you feel strongly about this.
Hi Harald, good to read your post.
"…but not Michael Murphy." Did you mean "Michael Moore"?
I keep a good sense of humor though. The hired help didnt put diesel fuel conditioner in the pickups, so they gelled up. It really isn't Detroits fault. Besides, who would I complain to? The head goober at GM quit last week, and Obummer is too busy Catapaulting to Copenhagen on the Company Plane, and Careening through CON-gress with Health Care, to be bothered with running Government Motors. Not to mention Government insurance (AIG) and Government Bank (B of A). Anyone ever notice we are getting a whole lot of "Government" companies? Gives a whole new meaning to "too big to fail"……….
Jimmy Huero
So you have a choice (maybe your last one) lay down and let yourself be paving material, or fight tooth and nail to defeat this.
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Greenhouse gases warm the planet by letting in sunlight and blocking the escape of some of the resulting heat. “The physics of the greenhouse effect is so basic that instead of asking whether it would happen, it makes more sense to ask what on earth could make it not happen,” said Spencer Weart, a physicist and historian. “So far, nobody has been able to come up with anything plausible in that line.”
The atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases released by humans has risen rapidly in the last century, along with industrialization and electricity use. Carbon dioxide from burning of coal, oil and natural gas, is the most potent of the greenhouse gases because it can persist in the atmosphere for a century or more.
Methane — from landfills, livestock and leaking pipes, tanks and wells — has recently been found to be a close second. And these gases not only have a heating effect, but also cause evaporation of water from sea and soil, producing water vapor, another powerful heat-trapping gas.
TWO CHOICES:
1. Stop hurting America.
OR
2. Continue these nonsensical denials.
Sorry I meant Moore. Thanks. He his a great favorite among the stealth communists here.
^^ from an article. I would mention the source, but that would most definitely lead to further examples of the logical fallacy "ad hominem" or "attack the messenger", and this blog certainly doesn't need more of that.
I refer to my comments above, where I referred to Michael Murphy. It should of course be Michael Moore. Sometimes things goes to fast, I am very passionate about these issues. Moore is a darling among the stealth communists in Europe, and in my view an American traitor and con artist. Everything we in Europe can be thankful for, we owe to Americans, who have sacrificed ten thousands young lives for our freedom, then the fact that your free enterprise system has allowed us to have prosperity. Leftist wish to break down this system, that’s what, is behind the climate scam. When the Berlin Wall fell they lashed on to the climate.
They don’t care about India and China, they want destroy your economy and freedom, and the language from Obama and the people around him tell me they have a foothold in America and the White House.
The stealth communists never liked it, and their wet dream is that Americans go their way. Obama and the people around him scare the shit out of me. So I beg Americans to wake up, to save yourself and us. No one articulate this better then Lord Monckton, not only the climate scam, but the entire conspiracy.
God Bless America.
I remember back in college, when a friend of mine was aghast that the Bush administration was "covering up" global warming research. I don't think I bothered trying to explain that I saw it as not giving the time of day to a bunch of greedy nutjobs. So now it turns out I was right. I don't feel super happy about it, just kind of relieved that the truth is coming out. And only kind of relieved because it can be difficult for people to change their minds when they've argued so vociferously for something.
Oddly enough, I read today a quite logical refutation of this very concept. I'll bet you could, also.
The Ford Foundation; FAZI to the core. I wonder how we'll view TIDES 20 years from now.
It always sort of works for THEM, until someone new comes along and does away with them………violently.
Awesome response to Not One! Let me add one more point.
5. These scientists, regardless of what their actual science says, have proven themselves to be politically motivated. First, as a scientist, you make your raw data available to whoever asks for it in order to show legitimacy. Second, as a scientist, you DO NOT THROW ANY DATA AWAY EVER! This just screams fraud to any scientist worth their salt. Third, as a scientist, you do not endeavor to silence, diminish or demean your critics. Give them your data, explain what you did and then discuss. Do not attempt to get people fired. All of these acts, admitted by the CRU scientists in their emails or publicly, prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they were motivated by politics or greed, not the pursuit of truth and science.
I feel the same as you Human PersonJr. I have never been so amazed by how successful the whole "global warming" show has been.I must admit I am already old so it seems passing on is preferable to living in this progressive nightmare they seem to think is utopia.I don't want to think what kind of world my children and grandchildren will have to live in when they are older.I am writing to them about what we lost and how easily we fell for this.The scope of the arrogant power grab we are witnessing is hard to believe but I think that debate is settled.The whole bunch of them are traitors,but they planned it very well.It looks like they might just get away with this big lie,it is very sad to see the evil displayed so openly.They have no shame,but I guess that's because they have no morals..
Those words seem so heartfelt. I'm 59 with two grandchildren under the age of 4. I don't want to hasten my death for all the obvious reasons, including being there for them, to protect them and nurture them.
This scheme was a web of conspiracies, I believe, that operated for a long time. You can look at the first temp graphs in 1991 and compare it to later ones. In that first one, the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age were both clearly shown. Climate science has always held that these two phenomena were real and verifiable. Yet, today they don't exist, and with never an explanation as to where they went.
Continued…
Continued from above…
The object of the scheme is money, power and spreading third-world misery across the globe. The lucky few, just as in the old Soviet Union and Red China, will be fine. I can't think of worse reasons to sign on to such a thing. Our founders knew the bad side of mankind, and they did all they could to protect us, but they could only live so long, and moral standards have changed greatly since their time.
Thank you for replying. My heart is heavy over all of this. I won't stop fighting it, though. I hope your remaining days are good ones. I hope, by some good fortune, that our descendants will be all right.
NOT SO FRIGGIN BRIGHT DWIGHT!
Those elements you listed ( carbon dioxide and methane) have ALWAYS existed on this planet! If these two elements are capable of what you state, trapping heat, and further adding to the evaporative process, which would produce even more water vapor, and more heat trapping gas, shouldn't this cycle have "run away" and toasted this planet a long time ago!?!?
Since it hasn't toasted the planet, what has kept it in check?????
CLOUDS ARE WATER VAPOR YOU F'ING MORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHEN ITS CLOUDY, AND THE SUNS RAYS ARE BLOCKED, IT GETS COOL!!!!!
I can't wait for the revolution, so we can rid Mother Earth of the ilk like Dwight!!!
al gore and all thses other fraudsters belong in JAIL
That's a very serious danger when science turns into a religion like it has for Global Warming. Models don't always work. Imagine if everyone had decided to simply accept that the earth was flat and tell anyone who disagreed that the argument was over? That's just plain silly.
There is some hope though, despite all the media attention, Al "Art Major" Gore pretending to know science and the loons in Hollywood, a good many people don't buy into it. Now with this scandal (thanks to hackers no less), the tide is finally turning.
Watch them get away with this sham,regardless of e-mails.Look what the whole power grabbing lefties get away with
every day. They never have to answer to anyone,especially the stupid peasants.The arrogance is astonishing,I don't know how stupid they think we are but they don't seem to give us any credit for being able to see through their crap.
Can the grownups take over now?I am weary from these silly children trying to act like they have any clue about anything at all.It is so embarrassing to watch them pretending to know what they are doing.Lord help us..
Global Warming:
Global Warning:
We were like frogs in a pan on the stove.
As the heat got hotter, we have not noticed and we would have all boiled to death in a ghastly slow demise if not for one person.
Al Gore our savior who has invented the Internet and the cure for global climate change deserves all of your money.
He needs to fly around in private jets to save us.
He needs a home that emits 20 times the amount of carbon as a normal house does because it brings attention to the problem.
So without AL, we would still be frogs boiling in a pan.
Please convince your leaders to take money from anyone who has a job to give to countries that have never produced anything what so ever.
That will slow down the boiling water long enough to all of us frogs to jump out of the pan in time.
Al Gore willing.
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Hey Cowboy did you just call Gore a hay forker?
Wow. Had I only known how eloquent and sensitive the other side was! NotOneofYou makes me get all tingly with excitement. He or she is so very persuasive. Can't you just see from that argument the total truth of the world? Why can't we just call people names and get on with it? It would save so much time.
From an article that you would mention the source but we would all laugh hmmmm Media Mutters perhaps.
First of all Methane is a much more potent "greenhouse gas" But the climate "change" fellows haven't parnered with Peta just yet i guess they figure we can only swallow one crackpot group at a time. Second Theory of greenhouse gases very cute I remebr the picture in my 8th grade science book, Bad co2 superimposed on a drawing of a greenhouse. Say has anyone ever done a hot box experiment to test it you know rasie the concentration of co2 by 1/2 a percentage point and see if it trapes more heat… hmmm thought not numbers would be to small to mention … I think thats why its called a theory. Third humans are dust upon the good starship earth when shes tired of us she will flick us off as she has many other species and would a few more if we would just stop trying to save them. And before you go all specist on me think of how many whales we have safed great for the whales but im guessing the krill would like to kick our interferring butts
We also need good quality numbers on the number of railroad ties, barrels of hot tar, and bags of feathers! ; )
Just to put your supposition in perspective, that we humans are doing all this, one active volcano spews more CO2 by several orders of magnitude into our atmosphere in one year than all human CO2 emissions in history. As far as your pathetic methane argument goes, more methane is released from the bottom of the oceans DAILY than all the cows, landfills, and leaky pipes on this planet in a year….
That's rich!!! Best comment I've seen yet!! I' going to start a prayer circle!! LOL!!!
And here's the proof…by the way, I was hearing this in the 70's…I'm glad no one threw the data away!!'
http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/03/climate-science-...
And here's the proof…by the way, I was hearing this in the 70's…I'm glad no one threw the data away!!'
http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/03/climate-science-...
It would work for the elites – the ones who decide what everyone else needs ("to each according…") from their dachas and their limousines and their private jets.
Those words seem so heartfelt. I'm 59 with two grandchildren under the age of 4. I don't want to hasten my death for all the obvious reasons, including being there for them, to protect them and nurture them.
This scheme was a web of conspiracies, I believe, that operated for a long time. You can look at the first temp graphs in 1991 and compare it to later ones. In that first one, the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age were both clearly shown. Climate science has always held that these two phenomena were real and verifiable. Yet, today they don't exist, and with never an explanation as to where they went.
Continued…
"Greenhouse gases warm the planet by letting in sunlight and blocking the escape of some of the resulting heat. “The physics of the greenhouse effect is so basic that instead of asking whether it would happen, it makes more sense to ask what on earth could make it not happen"
<*sigh*>
Does this "scientist" understand saturation? Does he understand that CO2 thermal saturation leads to asymptotic absorption rates? And perhaps he would care to provide actual, you know evidence that this phenomenon is occurring?
1) According to greenhouse theory, the signature of Carbon-driven warming is 'hot spots' in the stratosphere above the tropics. Except they aren't there. Not a trace. Even the warmists concede that warming is higher in the polar latitudes.
2) According to greenhouse theory, atmospheric carbon decreases the amount of heat reflected back into space. But according to Lindzen (2009), the satellites data shows that reradiation has actually increased from 3 to 4 watts/sq meter. That's right- no greenhouse effect in sight.
3) Everybody knows that the earth is warming…. and has been since the bottom of the Little Ice Age. The question is whether a) 20th-century warming is unprecedented and outside natural variability, and b) whether human emissions have anything to do with it. There is not a shred of evidence for either proposition- save the debunked and discredited tree-ring claims of Mann and Briffa, whom the Climategate files show to be frauds of the first order. All other paleoclimatic proxy series (those based on physical processes like glacial cores, lakebed sediments, ice-rafted debris etc) show exyensive climate variablity of the same order of magnitude as the late 20th century- and ZERO correlation to CO2 levels. It is also manifestly the case that the Roman and Medieval Warm Periods were at least as warm if not warmer than the present day.
4. The idea that one can deduce historic temperatures from tree-ring density is laughable- but not nearly as laughable as the climate models, which operate on the same junior-high science fair level as your argument. HARRY_READ_ME illustrates what a Keystone Kops Meets Rube Goldberg comedy this has proven in practice; on the conceptual level it could never have been anything but. Using second-degree polynomials to "model" multiple partial differentials with unknown boundary conditions? Puh-leez.
So, Dwight, I would suggest that you
1. Stop hurting America
OR
2. Continue your nonsensical denial of the fact that AGW is bunk.
Does anyone else see the irony in the report that the "leaks" might have been generated from a Siberian county influenced in great part by Putin ? Russia is in no way ever going to be a part of this financial redistribution fiasco and have so stated their position…. Same with China and India.
I think we might owe Putin a raised glass of Stolichnaya and a hearty " na strovia " (sp?)
If the ice in your cup melts does it overflow?
no, but he's doing all he can to fork ewe…
i love it when you talk like that…
nothing sucks worse, or makes one madder or more defensive, than realizing they're wrong.
Now that was funny…..
A long time ago, the Vikings and Norsemen went to Greenland to start new colonies. The weather and land was perfect for crops and livestock. Well, what did they do to cause Global Cooling? Did they stop using coal? They eventually had to leave or starve due to the climate change.
God will cause a huge global warming during the 7 year tribulation as taught in Revelation besides other catastrophies.
In Siberia, there are millions of Mammoths frozen and buried in the Tundra. Hello? They still have food in their stomachs. This is a super quick freeze. Did the people use to much coal or the cows not fart enuff for this to happen?
ahem, to clarify my previous remark:
i get a huge kick out of watching some AGW tool come on with some flawed defense/discredited theory/obvious CYA, etc. (usually delivered absolutely dripping with condescension), only to get beaten like a rented mule by somebody such as you who clearly knows this stuff backwards and forwards.
my educational background is in environmental biology, which gives me a solid comprehension of basic ecological systems in general, but it is a real treat to see an expert in climate science in action. Like Ali vs. Frazier… Frasier Crane.
Thanks for compliments. Are you 1/3 of the 3 stooges or what? You really don't have to believe everything on TV or what your professors teach you. Really now, where did you get your information from is what I'd like to know? I only counted 8 direct insults from you, and other minor ones….Al Gore doesn't use the phrase "Global Warming" anymore. Know why? Becuz it ain't happening bro'. Al Gore fooled everyone with that phrase, that's why he isn't using it anymore, get it? It's called Climate Change…Here in Wisconsin, we have 4 climate changes per year….and it's getting cold now, and we're getting 10" of snow pretty soon….This post is saying that the scientists who worked on the climate change reports tampered with the statistics….Is that wrong? Why be mad at us, when we're discussing the fact that they issued a false report to our Govt Officials and the effect of that? It's OK to be angry son, but not madk. There's a difference.
Thank you for your heartfelt words
"Using second-degree polynomials to "model" multiple partial differentials with unknown boundary conditions?"
I love that sentence, I will print that out and hang it on my wall.
And let's face it, if Global Warming were real, Russia, among other countries like it would benefit. I always thought it shear lunacy for countries like Canada to be on the AGW bandwagon, you idiots! If warming continues your usable land increases! Unlock all that frozen land in the north.
What I can't stand is the alarmists saying the if the Earth warms a few degrees we are all doomed. What from increased growing seasons, more farmable land, reduction of disease, milder winters?
I have to laugh when the AGW types bring up effects of a warming planet, more aggressive harmful plants like poison ivy, increased death rates during hot summers, etc. Of course right along with poison ivy other such plants like wheat, barley, oats, etc. will grow like gangbusters! As for weather related deaths the winter kills far more so a little warming will actually save lives.
Yours is a very intelligent response and hopefully the drone, NotOneof You, will allow himself to be confused with these facts instead of just the usual nonsensical spew. These lying crooks and criminals that have infiltrated our country are by droves, many being muslims, and are bilking and pilaging everything and everyone in America. I just hope they can be stopped before it's too late. Most of those who have voted for/backed Obama are either muslim, illiterate or just plain stupid.
Wow, that was a good response to the drone!
Hide The Decline Parody Video of Climategate.
http://youhavetobethistalltogoonthisride.blogspot...
What was it, Cant Waste a Good Crisis, I revise it to never let a Great HOAX go to Waste. Global Warming is that HOAX. Barry & Al Gore want to ignore the Facts and continue with the same plan. They will Destroy our Economy, with Needless Taxes on Large & small business, taxes on all energy, and the American People. Plus a large increase in Gasoline. Not to mention Millions of Jobs Lost. Hope& Change ?? How much Punishment do we have to take.
If you've been trying to think of the perfect Christmas present for Al Gore, think no more. Here it is! "Fraudster the Snowman," a new holiday favorite, chronicling the decade-long snow job that the pudgy ex-vice-president subjected us to. Send him the link and give him my best.
Fraudster the Snowman
by F.R. Duplantier
Fraudster the Snowman
Was an enterprising pol,
With a trust-fund life
And an upturned nose
And a heart made out of coal.
Fraudster the Snowman
Was a senator, they say.
He was made of snow,
But the voters know
How he came to life one day.
There must have been some magic in
Those tight blue jeans they found,
For when they placed them on his legs
He began to dance around.
O, Fraudster the Snowman
Found a way to live for free.
While the people pay,
He could laugh and play
And drive around in an SUV.
Huffedy humbug,
Huffedy humbug,
Look at Fraudster go.
Huffedy humbug,
Huffedy humbug,
O the bilge of snow!
Fraudster the Snowman
Knew the sun was hot some days,
So he said, “I’ll hoax
All the stupid folks
And get myself a big pay raise.”
Down to the village,
With a hockey stick in hand
And some bogus graphs
And some doctored stats,
Showing crisis for the land.
He led them to his Waterloo,
Where the facts came out at last,
But he never once admitted that
He was just plain full of crap.
For Fraudster the Snowman
Liked to always have his way,
So he waved goodbye
Saying, “Don’t deny,
I’ll be back again some day.”
Huffedy humbug,
Huffedy humbug,
Look at Fraudster go.
Huffedy humbug,
Huffedy humbug,
O the bilge of snow!
http://politickles.com/blog/?p=4008
Have you ever thought about what's sticking up in the air when your head's in the sand? You should be embarrassed to be such an uninformed drone. It's people like you who are enabling these hidious radicals and terrorists to try and take our country out. Wake up! If I'm right, you're one of those gullible typicals who has 'compassion' on the criminals and not the victims, disrepects those in the military who give their lives to endeavor to keep us safe, thinks the government can do much of anything right, likes the unions such as the NEA, SEIU, etc., believes anything the mainstream media or the government says, doesn't think there's anything wrong with all these Czars. I could go on and on.
2nd part…In other words, one of those whose ideology is tanking this country and trying to turn it into a totally corrupted-run, 3rd world country with a power hungry dictator. Take some time to educate yourself and listen to those who have common sense and experience, those whom actually have character and are not liars, hypocrites, cheats and criminals. Probably wasting my typing on you, but who knows what other ignorant and brainwashed leftist might peek out of their little tiny box and read this and actually consider doing some thinking on their own. The earth has always experienced changes in temperature patterns and it certainly was because of any human population. The fact is that the oceans put out almost all of these so-called problems. Now how can we control those oceans? Also, I think leftist drones ARE a race, so I actually am a racist where you/ they are concerned. Do you 'people' ever respond to the truth with any facts? I mean, really….just for one example, look at the waste and hypocrisy they're propagating at this summit. No, all we ever get to hear from your kind is just "loud mouthed, disrespectful, racist, scumbag" yap.
if he only uses one sheet of TP i ain't shaking his hand
Shhhhhhh!@!!!! How dare you bring FACTS into a Global warm…cooli….warmi….Hmmm – Oh – Climate change!!!
DOH!!!! lol
Move on. idiot.
Actually, a category 5 hurricane or an EF5 tornado works better. Lots of trash to throw away then, and not only the envirocommies.
Hey Dwight-Im an atmospheric physicist. WATER VAPOR is the most common greenhouse gas. CO2 does NOT PERSIST a century or more,dolt. Plants ABSORB over 50% of the atmospheric Co2. besides dolt, 3/4 of the earths surface is WATER. Whats the next lie idiot-Is the ocean liner becoming an SUV? Did "man made" Co2 kill the reptiles during the late Creataceous period?(I doubt you are smart enough to even know what that is)And by the way-theres more ARGON in the atmosphere than co2 and methane combined. dolt, you CANNOT have precipitation without WATER VAPOR. Please preach your commie Bull with the Daily kooks. You are in over your head here.
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