60 US Senators Vote For Government Take Over of Health Care
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Abraham Lincoln called it a lullaby during his campaign against Douglas. What he meant was the political promises contrived to make people feel comfortable enough that they would sleep through the important debates (then it was slavery) and allow the back room deals to be made. In this case the democrats are allowing the lullaby to lure them into voting for healthcare legislation that will indenture every man, woman and child in this country with little or no demonstrable return to the people.
The democrats have allowed themselves to be convinced that they must pass this legislation now or be caught on the wrong side of history. What they really fear is depth-charging a President and a white house chief of staff who painted them all into a corner on healthcare legislation. What they really are doing is CYA for Pennsylvania Avenue and pretending they are doing great things. Yes, pretending, as in fiction.
If the democrats really had any backbone, they would choose this moment to stand athwart this Marxist freight train and push back. Push back the role and obscene cost of government until it resembles something other than a serpent swallowing its own tail; push back until we discover anew the ideal that we, as individuals, can take care of ourselves; push back until everyone realizes that the pervasive influence of government has never been benign and that it’s influence is now parasitic.
What do you suppose are the chances that those democrats will chose to fight for the real needs of the nation (defined as a return to at least one or two of our founding principles), or embarrassing a President who ignores those needs? Thought so.
At a time when the socialists in Europe and China are saying we ought to reconsider the path to socialism, our Democrats, having ruled us for 80% of the time since 1932, are ready to double down all those bad bets and listen to the lullaby.
Thanks
Here is a chart with the reality. Feel better off with all that government intervention?
1966 2008 2009
Government spending (Billion's)$216 $5,297 $6,456
GDP $789 $14,441 $14,240
Government spending % of GDP27.4% 36.7% 45.3%
Unemployment rate 3.9% 7.2% 9.6%
Poverty Rate 14.7% 13.2% 14.5%
Generational Obligation (Billions)$717.0 $42,000.0$61,000.0
Government Spending DefinitionAll Federal, State, and Local Spending
Generational ObligationThe deficit gap obligated to taxpayers for the trailing 80 years
Generational Obligation for 1966 is an estimate, as is the GDP for 2009. Generational obligations are estimates based on projections by the CBO. Other data is derived from the US census, From the CBO, and from the Executive office of the President of the United States, specifically the budget and its associated historical tables. The 2009 poverty rate is an estimate.
For more:
http://thanksforthelaughs.wordpress.com/2009/11/0...
Apologies the chart did not come out as planned.
Lazy Jack
60 Retards lined up in a row.
Pretty soon they will be out in the snow.
The winds have changed and now they blow.
In 2010 all these idiots must go.
The debt rises to untold heights.
Out go our hopes, out go the lights.
The Dems and Obama are on notice now.
Noting will save them not even Rachel Madcow.
I'll say it again
Write and ask your so called Congressmen this …
"It's ok to pass a bill to suck the brain out of a baby but KSM has rights not to be watered boarded after he KILLLS 3000 Americians"
Go to Hell Congress got to Hell !!!!!
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RIP FREEDOM
In the name of my children I curse all you despicable bastards.
You are evil. You are bringing this once great country to ruin.
What can we do to stop this? I have written, emailed, petitioned, and told everyone I can about what's going on. I hate that I'm even considering giving up on my country – but is it time to move?
Scum bags, they are all nothing but scum bags. Democratic states like Cal and NY deserve to turn into Detroit redux. I don't know yet how I am going to do it but they will get no more money from me. I will not hire another person, ever!!!! Every dime and every minute of my time will be spent finding a way to get every one of these lowsy no good SOB's out of office!!!! May they all rot in He77
May you 60 traitors rot in the ninth level of Hell.
And none of these jokers will have to abide by the plan they mandate on us…pathetic
oh may god. life as we now know it has all but gone down the drain. God lease have mercy on my life… what can i do now. people give me some hope!!!!!
lease is please
sorry, fresh out of hope, how bout a double heaping of change?
You know, it is sad. You can tell by tweets that many Democrats feel righteous about the vote, that something good has been done by it. They act like conservatives and Republicans don't care about the uninsured. They have no comprehension of a conservative's point at all. Regardless of the "good" the plan could do (which I see very little, and only weakens the impoverished), we simply cannot afford it. Dems refuse to look into the dollars and see how they are stealing from citizens and subjecting the future of this country to abject poverty.
Before today, I had to work the first four hours of every day to pay for the lives of other families before I even began to support my own. Now it will be the first six hours. But I will not be a victim. I will fight for my family.
Is there any merit in pressing for the Senate to begin considering and debating the bill prepared by the Republicans? I am not sure what all it includes, but maybe, just maybe it is better than the complete expansion of government now being considered.
Let's say this health care passes and the Republicans win both the House and Senate. Do you think they are going to repeal the Healthcare Law? Nope. So then what?
this is sick, I am ashamed that we have to be addressing this matter, sic!!!!!
the repukecrats will just let all their buddies off the hook.. I point to the tax code and regulations as proof.. and the only one paying will be the working people as it is every time.
Are you ever going to run for office? Rulers make the rules.
Instead of giving into a defeatist mentality, what can be done after these things are voted on and passed? If the dems get thrown out of office in 2010, can anything be done to at the very least, slow some of this stuff down? If we get a GOP president in 2012, what can be done to slow some of this stuff down?
Saying "the country is over" is not going to do you, or anyone else, any good. If the country is over, then move to a different one. If you're going to stay in this one, start talking about solutions. Otherwise all you're doing is crying over spilt milk.
This fight isn't over.
Don't give up yet.
Those of you in Arkansas, Nebraska, and Louisiana the ball is in your court. You can make the biggest difference by pushing your Democratic Senators to do the right thing. Those of us outside those states can help by threatening to give money to thier opponents, and carrying out that threat if the don't vote the right way.
This country is no longer sliding down the slippery slope to socialism, it is free falling from the cliff.
not any more..912 has proven.. it is all about the parties not the constitution or accountability.. no one there wants to fight the rules that enslave the voter. so it is over and I am I am forced to wait for the knock on the door.. good luck i will help the best I can from outside 912/republican party..
I'm going to run in 2012. I respect your opinion. You and I will have to join a party and hopefully run to win. Then we can undo gerrymandering, restore the 30,000 rule, etc. Should I run as a 3rd party American Independent/Constitution Party or change to Democrat or Republican and pick a district? I'm planning to run for a state office in 2012. Is it a waste of time, should I grab a congressional district somewhere in southern California?
Joe LIEberman strikes again, you worthless two-faced piece of dog excrement. Guess McCain wasn't able "to cross the aisle and get Democrats to work with him."
This is but the first step; however, should this abomination pass, at some future date, it will be almost impossible to repeal.
The president and Barry will, sadly, be in office until mid January of 2013.
The more important question…
Where do we move on to??
There's no place to move to; that is the real problem.
Please help to make sure the cowards as they are leaving Congress do not get their pensions, goodies and make sure they have no further contact in any form with the government of the US.
we need to do this conversation of this site… email me..
Bills are written by the Congress, with the president having the power to sign or veto them. That IS how our government works.
Sadly, repealing, or even remaking, previous Bills, especially those pertaining to gigantic government handouts, are just about impossible to do………..unless it is to make them even larger and more disgusting.
Several past GOP presidents, President Bush the younger being the last one, have tried to fix/clean up/control Social Security. The Congress ( the Dems ) squashed that !
for the thumbers about my statement bring it on.. lets proven to the country what you are all about
I wish I could think of something witty to say.
I posted that days ago……………..re not to ever trust him.
He is and always has been farther to the left than Hillary Clinton. The ONLY thing that Joe is for, that GOPers and Conservatives also are, is the War On Terror.
Look…we all knew that in the dark of night, this crap sandwich would pass. As we have said all along, they had the votes, so why are we surprised?
I have a feeling, however, that the states have already gone to great lengths in proving this is unconstitutional. That is where the real battle will be fought.
right this is only a debate about healthcare, these people are so corrupt, Where is my gun. I will not accept this.
There are many turncoats among us.
We are more than them.
We are stronger and wiser.
And we know how to pray.
We know that these principals which our country was founded on are God's principals.
And In the end we will prevail.
I remember the SS deal and how the dems ruined it by saying it was like gambling your retirement on the stock market. But, we're talking here about practically a revolution BECAUSE of Obamacare. If the dems get thrown out of office, and the gop replaces them, largely based on this Obamacare travesty, seems to me that they would have the people and the mandate on their side to fix/clean/control it.
Otherwise, all these threats of "you guys are out in 2010!" don't really mean anything. So, they're out. If it's literally impossible to slow this down, then what difference does it make who is in office?
I must remind you that the founding fathers fought the worlds greatest power of the time. The majority of there fellow citizens were not intrested in the hard fight for independence. They would have rather gone along to get along. There are always appeasers but they are never right. I for one will not give up my country I will not stop speaking truth to power. and I will not stop educating the deaf and blind until they hear and see. Our focus has to be on restructuring the existing republican party into our party. The democrates won nothing for their natural constituents today. The elitist young will now pay higher taxes and be forced to buy expensive insurance they dont want, the dependent classes will see reductions in their medicare programs, the union rank and file industrial workers, teachers will see their hard earned caddilac health care plans taxed. All the while ignoring the real scourge of these same constituants JOBS. Explain to me where in the world this is a master plan for democratic governance to me it seems they have fallen on their sword . Excuse me while I jump up and down on their collective backs.
Don't just threaten to give … actually give now.
I've send emails to several Democrats telling them that their opponent thanks them for my donation. Since the Democrats are deaf to the wishes of the people, the people need to be deaf to the false campaign promises of the Democrats. I'm an independent who will not be fooled by these idiots any longer. The Democrats vote as a Union and not for the people they "supposedly" represent.
Even Lieberman caved in. Sad I had hopes of Lieberman standing strong, but he has failed us also.
watch the SUNDAY talk shows …. watch them squirm on why they had to do this ..
They are miserable pieces of scum…
Time to egg a few front doors of some congressional offices …
how about calling them and leaving a message of
"I will protect and defend the Constitution of the United States" you sir/mam are some sorry cowards !!!!
What will a person that has deined life saving treatment be willing to do–what will that persons family do? This is not over, 2010 is comming yes, and believe me no money will be in any gov't account after 5 yrs of taxes for Health Insurance at this point of time. They are incapable of holding any kind of trust esp. considering our debt. Buckle down they will want the taxes and it will cause a financial crisis around the world if this thing goes through. It will be a world crisis, all expecting a broke gov't system to same them–prepare too save yourself.
I'm telling you – read up on an admendment to the Constitution – this will be the only way …..it goes back to the states rights – congress and the prez have no say (in a way)
You are right we all knew the logical outcome but hope is a powerful emotion It got this dumbass elected after all. I think it is important though that people understand these senators go to bed tonight with nagging thoughts of treacherous complacency and stomachs ulcerating. We raged against the machine and we made it expend its energy. Although we are weary and our hearts are heavy we can not stop. The attacks are coming from every front now. It will falter it will fall and we will dismantle it and put it on the trashpile of history.
Since the plan as planned isn't going to be implemented until 2014, in part, but the taxes are going to start immediately, this is obviously nothing more than a money grab by the government. You know that when 2014 rolls around they will have squandered the money and be arguing for more to implement the plan. I curse everyone who voted for Obummer and the democraps. In fact, the American voter is responsible for all this shit.
I’ve been watching WWII In HD on History all week. It makes me want to cry to see how far we’ve fallen.
Let me be the first to apoligize to all veterans dead and alive that all you have fought for was in vain.
God have mercy on Harry Reid's soul….
For the first time in my adult life I can't stand this country !!!!!
At the end of the day…
When the vote comes…..
There's no such thing as a blue dog, a conservative or a moderate Democrat…
They only take this title when they go back home and pretend they give a d*** about their constituents…
Don't panic –prepare. It will be a world downfall.
nah, I say pigs blood !!!!
It's not over until the fat "ACORN" sings?
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Cloward and Piven… Break the system so you can build a new, Socialist system atop the old…
Sadly, the masses do not understand the fight we all have in front of us at this moment.
Health Care is but a small facet of this plan…
Lets keep our heads and prolong the debate. They still have what 2 bills too combine trying to please everyone. Don't give up and do not stop with the pressure on abortions esp….Gov't Control Health care etc..These people are about TODAY and so not think about the future, As the elections grow closer the people they represent will become more important. That is our war.
I agree… but I also say we are all partly responsible for this since I think the majority of us were asleep at the gates. Yes, we railed against Teh Won, but not loud enough. We supported the Lesser of 2 Evils and allowed this Marxist to take our Country away from us.
40% of America says they are conservatives…but we still let allowed this idiot and his minions to take office. Unfortunately, we have no one to blame but ourselves…
Now, we have awoken and have sworn that the gates will not be breached again… I only hope we have time to run the invaders from our town…
Do not say that. They did not die in vain. They secured our freedom for another day and allowed us the right to defend it yet again.
We have tough times ahead, and I fear that perhaps we will be too late to save the country we grew up in. But I know that regardless of what happens, we have Right on our side and we will prevail!
I foubt a damn one of them has read those words…
foubt = doubt
As soon as possible, we take steps to remove their special private medical insurance plan and force them to take the public option. Then right after that, we cancel their retirement and pension plans and force them for forfeit all illgotten gains acquired since each of them was elected.
Despicable. Absolutely despicable.
My cardiologist read the bill. He's gone as soon as this thing passes. Why didn't any of these dimwits listen to doctors? I mean all of them and the REAL doctors.
I wish I could be as optimistic as you are. It almost seems collapse is inevitable. Maybe not as widespread and in other economic area as it will be at first, but I just don't see how Obamunism won't end a hundred times worse than the stagflation/misery indexes of Carter. Can we tie this up in the courts when most are occupied by liberal judges? Can a new Congress undo this in 2010? I hope, as you said. But I have my doubts.
Truer words never spoken.
YOU DO NOT CRY ALONEi LIKE Im framilar with Cloward and Piven and I do not doubt that there are those that are trying to implement this plai n. As a mattAer of fact it is obvious that many on the left have been attempting to impliment this plan for a long time. I do however that this piece of legizlation that actually collects revenues for several years before dipearsing will have the desired effect before we can rescend and dismantle this monstrosity. Having said that I dont discount the Cloward and Piven argument just its timely application here.
Im framilar with Cloward and Piven and I do not doubt that there are those that are trying to implement this plai n. As a mattAer of fact it is obvious that many on the left have been attempting to impliment this plan for a long time. I do however that this piece of legizlation that actually collects revenues for several years before dipearsing will have the desired effect before we can rescend and dismantle this monstrosity. Having said that I dont discount the Cloward and Piven argument just its timely application here.
I fell for it, I admit. I'll never trust him again.
Sounds good Ann. Can we then dismantle all social welfare programs and turn that responsibilities over to the states where the electorate can keep a closer eye on the elected.
Fact:: They do not care – Is it fiction to believe these people were promised "NO ELECTIONS" next year ? I am starting to believe we will not be able to vote these fools out. What has happened to this country?
Despair feeds weakness.
Now I sleep, knowing I have fought the good fight and live to fight anew.
It's not -impossible- to repeal. It's been done before of course. Well, OK maybe not a bill like this one… but in theory it's possible.
Really though, I think we may be looking at an insurrection if they pass it and frankly, I think it may be about that time anyway.
Breitbart we need a Hail Mary, as I go to sleep tonight I will pray you have something hidden away for as this horrible day has come.
God bear mercy on their souls.
Please folks, no more doom and gloom….We have to show these deceivers that we will fight for our rights….We have to start taking action on the state level to fend off this attack….start calling, faxing and emailing (and physically visit them if possible) your representatives in your state capitols….tell them you expect them to protect your states rights against this behemoth of a federal government….THAT IS THEIR JOB!…everyone has to participate…they have to feel inundated and overwhelmed….also these Senators and Congressmen in Washington have local offices in their respective states….GO TO THEIR OFFICES and question the staff…most of them have forms and such to submit your concerns….if they feel overwhelmed it might make them think twice about their votes….we have to be active on every front…flood them with people questioning them from everywhere and all the time…
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These traiterous bastards better beef up their personal security. They are going to need it.
EVERYONE should read the post by DirectorBlue in the Green Room at HOT AIR ! It is a MUST READ if you want to see where this country is headed. The parallel is that of Argentina from 1902 to 2002. Make copies for your friends. Veryyyyyy scary but accurate ! READ IT !
By then too much damage will have been done to repair it. Yes we will be able to repeal the law (maybe) but we can never recover the economic damage that is being done, and this bill will create even more. Then my other fear is that with so many people who will depend on the gvt will not vote these bums out.
We should demand that they be on the system they vote in, and we should demand to be represented and that this closed door crap stops. Even if conservatives are a minority they should be shut out completely what kind of gvt is that. It does not resemble anything we have ever seen.
Hope is a dirty word Obuma killed it. Now we have revolt a bit, because change we can believe in is not working.
that is precisely what they want a world take over of socialism. It is bad in Europe, there is no freedom, it is worse in south america and it is horrible in China, so they us to join them, and idiobama agrees that we should be as miserable as they are. I don't want to fall with the world.
There is great merit in the Republican proposals to fix health care.
There is little use in pressing the Senate. Like a cheap suit, it resists pressing. It is impervious to pressing, in fact, bacause the arrogant bastards in charge of it think of it as their private little fiefdom.
Oh I so wish. I am in Nevada. Reid shuts me down every time I write.
If they have opponents already go ahead and give some now and give some more later if they vote for the bill, you need to have something to threaten them with and if you give all the money away right away then you wont be able to use that threat. Also some of these people may not be up fo reelection until 2012 or 2014, so make sure you find out when they are up for reelection and let them know that you are making it on your calender and wont forget.
Here are a few more names (and the year they are up agian for reelection) you may want to pressure:
Bayh of Indiana ( 2010!!! a true moderate when his vote doesn't matter, otherwise a statist)
McCaskill of Missouri (2012 let her know that you don't her)
There are also a lot of Dems voting for this crap elected in states that are anything but deep blue starts by pretty big margins. If one of these people are in your state, they are doing the bidding for DC Liberals, not you. So don't rubber stamping these people every 6 years, because they are part of the problem: Begich of Alaska (2014), Pryor of Arkansas (2014), Udall of Colorado (2014), Bennet or Colorado (2010), Nelson of Florida (2012), Harkin of Iowa (2014), Tester of Montana (2012), Baucus of Montana (2014), Harry Mason Reid of Navada (2010), Hagan of North Carolina (2014), Conrad of North Dakota (2012) , Dorgan of North Dakota (2010), Brown of Ohio (2012), Casey of Pennsylvania (2012), Johnson of South Dakota (2014), Webb of Virginia (2012), Warner of Virginia (2014), Byrd of West Virginia (2012 if is still alive), and Rockefeller of West Virginia (2014).
BTW Lincoln of Arkansas is up for reelection in 2010, Landrieu of Louisiana is up in 2014. and Nelson of Nebraska is up in 2012. So for Nelson and Landrieu there may not be anyone to give money to, yet. Just wait.
The corrupt hand of Chicago politics has found a perfect fit in the glove of Big Government. A granite monument should be erected with the names of those who placed us into serfdom. A pox upon their houses.
Also email them and let them know you read their hometown newspaper, the Washington Post, and their hometown newspaper thinks itis a budget buster.
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It's not just those of us in these states. These senators vote on legislation that affects the entire country and therefore it is right that any American should lobby these people.
And it's not just those senators it is ALL of them.
This is not yet passed, and if the fear of God is put into these people then this will not become law.
If this becomes law the country will be unrecognizable in 10 years, and no this will never be undone.
Not to mention the immediate affects; worsening the economic conditions that already are epic. More layoffs, more foreclosures. This is a disaster in so many ways.
Then the statist will not stop; cap and trade, amnesty for illegals; who knows what else.
This country has never been in such danger.
Oh and thanks so much Obama supporters.
Wise words.
I hope you are right brother.
JMQ,
Last year, I retired in Thailand. I have second guessed my decision a few times, but the more this Marxist/Socialist regime rolls on, I begin to wonder if I am a genius. Not to say that the government here is great, but, in the current environment that my home country is going through, the Thai govt seems great. It is very distressing after 37 years of military/civilian service to see our country go downhill in ten months. I can only pray that folks like those here at BG will take the bulls by the horns and reverse this totally backward trend to socialism. If not, God help every last one of us.
You folks do realize that the bill will pass now. The Democrat party has once again pulled the wool over our eyes. Now that they've voted for cloture, they only need 51 votes to utilize the nuclear option. This bill will be shoved down our throats, and Obummer will sign it into law. Harry Reed has succeeded. Now, we should see some disaster come up soon that will give this administration the last tool it needs to enslave America, Martial Law. Wait for it folks, because it's coming.
In the end this is not about helping needy americans get affordable health care. Those sixty demorats have theirs whether we do or not. This about something far more sinister. Gov. health care is only a tool to acquire what they want and that is world control and all the wealth and power that would go along with that.
It is about destroying the only bastion of freedom left on the planet. Without that bastion there is no freedom anywhere for anyone.
It is my fondest hope that when the fit hits the proverbial sans our military and its allies remember what they took the oath to do. When the soldiers fighting around the globe come home. They will not becoming home to the place they left fight and die for. They will be coming home to a perverted dream one man set in motion. A dream allowed to flourish by the weak, undereducated side of the American public. Our country has been hijacked by idealists with sense only of self. Overeducated idiots who cannot conceive or will not admit they are not gods. I am disgusted I cannot wait for the revolt that will one day happen when we take back this country.
Debate over the bill starts on Nov. 30th.
Until then we should make an example out of Harry Reid.
Harry Reid has a big 25 million dollar war chest, one of the perks of being Majority Leader is how easy it is to raise money. Lets try to close the gap between him and his main opponent. http://www.suelowden.com/
It's all smoke and mirrors. Most politicians have the decency not to brag about the corruption but this is a brave new world. There are still plenty of goodies to be dispensed and some throw away sections a la Stupak to give the impression that these so-called moderates "made the bill better" before voting to destroy our health care system. We will then see a period while their internal polling tries to figure out if they are going to get thrown out of office for voting for it.
In the end, they will put everything back during reconciliation, and failing that, during the administrative mark up before it goes to the president. It ain't over 'til it's over, and then it still isn't over until the lawsuits are finished.
no takers I am so sad…Tom Coburn at the moment of truth voted for the bank bailouts and at that moment he turned his back on 233 years of American success.. This golden boy of the republicans is an example of how the republicans don’t believe in the AMERICAN promise.. Because without paying for failure there is no opportunity for success. He picked winners and losers and in the end we all lost and to this day he refuses to be held accountable.
They have voted to allow debate not to end it, they well still need 60 to end the debate and allow a vote on final passage. So no, it isn't over yet.
liberty,
No need to apologize to the veterans for this debacle. As a 20 year military veteran, all I can say is that it is very depressing at times to see what these fascist a$$es are doing to us. I despise these sick bastards for what they are doing while being dissapointed in the people for allowing it to happen. Bush was demonized throughout his time by these sick, sorry, bastards and the American people wanted hope and change. We now have it and it's nothing short of Marxist/Socialist/Communist "hope and change". A lot of change with very little hope. I cry every day for the future of our country. I truly see civil rebellion on the horizon. Sad, but, at this pace very necessary.
Amen, there are too many on the right who seem ready declare failure.
We still have a ways to go.
And if this bill is passed and Obama signs it, Im still going to fight it. There are questions about the constitutionality of requiring people to buy health insurance, I think there is a chance Justice Kennedy may rule it unconstitutional given his judicial record. And while the tax hikes start in 2010, the benefits don't start until 2013 or 2014, Thats enough time to win back the house next year and and pick up a few senate seats, and in 2012 we could take back the White House and the Senate looks really good for the GOP in 2012, a lot of easy targets, they could take it back.
I think there are better ways to get them to pay attention to you. In DC money talks, if they see their friends getting out fund raised by their challengers that makes them really nervous.
Just imagine what it would be like if early next month Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid reports he has raise less money in November than what his is main challenger reports. That will make a lot of people in the Democratic caucus really nervous. Some may get could feet on this whole healthcare thing.
You can make that happen: http://www.suelowden.com/
Whats the weather like in Bangkok?
I should visit there sometime.
Talking about smoke and mirrors, anyone who has taken any Political Science class in their life knows that the cuts that this bill promises to make the numbers work in the CBO assesment are not actually going to happen when it comes time to make those cuts.
Sure this bill is going to bend the curve, but in the wrong way.
The Sunday talk show hosts will not let the left get hammered on their shows. Not to the degree that is necessary. And not for the duration. This should be an outrage that demands constant media focus throughout the press. It will instead be treated as 'the lullabye' as Lazyjack put it when quoting Lincoln.
You can get rid on him in less than 12 months. He has an opponent you will be more willing to listen to you. She is up in the polls, but she could use some money right now, Harry Reid has had a long time to build a big war chest so we need to close the gap. http://www.suelowden.com/
It's "rescind" and just for clarification because this article was so small — the senate vote was not to pass healthcare but to bring it to the floor for debate. After debate it still has to be voted on. However it is not the same as the house bill so they will have to make the two bills agree with eachother. Chances are they will do that using "reconciliation" and treat it as their "only option" meaning they only need 51 votes in the senate. They will get their bill. They will go this route. But we aren't quite there yet.
So.. how do we stop them?
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We need some major demonstrations on Washington. Something has to be done to stop these fuckers.
The evil in this regime is beyond all of my fears. There will be eternal consequences. This battle is in more than the flesh.
Why this WAR on health care?, it seems pretty obvious that they need to get this done before 2010 elections, can this monstrosity be repealed if it is passed after these weirdos are voted out in 2010?
I understand saying 'this can't be undone' as a persuader in an argument. Margaret Thatcher undid a bit of socialism in Great Britain (Soc. Medicine remained). We must not be limited to what is easy or what has been done before. We will have to be bold and innovative. We must be impervious to name-calling and vilification by those who are evil in the first place (MSM, Hollywood, etc.). It will be necessary to undo a huge pile of evil if conservatives (not just Republicans) ever get to govern again. This bussines of just growing the government slower has to stop. We will need to have the courage to actually REPEALl government boondoggles, handouts, bribes (see Sen. of LA) and misadventures to set this right.
there has to be a way to organize in such a way to cut off the money flowing into washington, tax protest would cause the money to stop flowing in. then what are they gonna do. everyone must resist however they can, the biggest opposition will be tax consumers and they are in both parties
we have to stop the flow of money into washington, the opposition is ALL TAX CONSUMERS
The GOP would have to win massive landslides in 2010 AND 2012 to undo it in congress, there may also be some constitutional challenges in the courts.
But I think it best to stop it from passing in the first place and that is still possible.
ALL DOCTORS WILL BECOME GOVT. BURREAUCRATS
Nov 30 would be a good day to hold a massive rally. http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsN...
If someone cares to organize, unfortunatly I'm a little too far away to attend.
I have seen the enemy, and it is tax consumers!
This fight is over more than healthcare, but healthcare is a BIG piece of this. It's about so much more than medicine. This country is losing its soul.
Landrieu's staff was not available at her offices in Louisiana at all. No phones were answered and when they were it was a recording. Additionally, there were pickets and demonstrations around at least 2 of her 4 local offices against this garbage of a bill. Personally, all of Landrieu's phone lines at all of her offices were unavailable for several days last week to me. They were constantly busy all day long.
I must add that Landrieu has constantly stated in face to face discussions with local Tea Partiers that she against the public option. Who know what is going on in back rooms? She now says that the $100 million is actually $300 million.
The problem last year is that Rove helped select her opponent. The campaign manager was a Guiliani guy and it was a horribly run campaign, absolutely lackluster until the final 2 months. Locally here in BAton Rouge it seems that outside of TV ads, the Cassidy congressional campaign workers were carrying the water , on the ground, for both Kennedy & McCain/Palin. I know I was one of them.
people assume pols are afraid to vote a certain way cause they will be voted out, I think some dont mind losing their seat, tired of the job, jobs not what they expected, so they will do whats best for themselves with their vote, kickbacks and what not. Pols look at the people as nothing more than a source of revenue thats why the only solution i see is a tax revolt by all the people and strangle this out of control spending, any thoughts…
wow sen. Landrieu has really set quite a precedent, with this stellar example what kind of ideas is this planting in all the senators heads, is this just the proverbial tip of the iceberg of the coming corruption
This has been promised for forty plus years the ‘60s counter culture is in finally charge, The Woodstock Nation is borne if you will, and this country is going to drift in a “Purple Haze,” until we get rid of them. While we were raising our families, running businesses, paying bills, paying taxes. Our worthless flower children have been committed to sucking off the government teat, beaurocrats, academia, etc. cont…
Part2: Not to be Pollyannaish, but, I see this as an opportunity to finally set things “right” in this country. The left is now fully exposed, no more moderate horse crap. Starting in 2010, 12, 14, 16… we can begin to vanquish this enemy once and for all. We did it in ’80, with Reagan, ’94 with Newt, but we went back to our lives, and all the while the parasites stayed diligent in their avoidance of responsibility and work. We have to remain vigilant, and we can put the crap back in the horse and finally bury this dogma in the mud fields of “Yasgur’s Farm.” So lets be cool, when you see these clowns on TV point and left, now comes the Conservatives, real America, the Producers, and we will “throw the bums out,” and this time stand guard over The Constitution, so our children’s children, can enjoy the greatest country the world has ever produced, the USA!
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It is understandable that the outrageous details of all this could drive us to despair. George Will made a point this week that bears paraphrasing. The reform efforts now before us require citizens to purchase a very expensive product, based merely upon their own existence, under threat of fine or imprisonment. We will be compelled to purchase something because we exist! On what Constitutional logic is this based? What prevents them requiring the purchase of other things as well? Under this logic we could be required to purchase nearly anything 'to promote the general welfare.' The greens may watch this in hopes of compelling each household to buy a hybrid, or face imprisonment. Some militias may see an opening here as well. Citizens could be compelled to purchase a gun and be required to complete a safety course under the same logic. This is Leftist totalitarianism. If they can force us to buy health insurance then there is precious little they cannot force us to do. Wasn't there something about the 'consent of the governed?'
I attended a march yesterday for the first time in my life. It was organized as a Doctor protest, but folks of all stripes were there to support us. It was truly a slice of America. I didn't throw my sign away. It will get used again. Large crowds make them nervous. I recommend attending political rallies to send a message, and for the affirmation we can get from one another in person. It is energizing in a way that commenting on blogs doesn't quite achieve. I agree that we are in free fall sliding not just to socialized medicine, but toward a totalitarian thugocracy. We may need to actually roust SEIU union thugs from polling places in 2010! Elections may turn on if we have the courage to do this sort of thing or not.
Here is what you can do, go to the calander on your computer and set a reminder for July 4th 2014, "give money to Sen Landrieu's main challenger" she should have one by then, also another reminder for Nov 2nd 2014 "Remind friends and family to vote out Landieu on Tues" and finally for Tuesday, Nov. 4th 2014, "fire Sen. Mary Landrieu".
Send her an email and let her know if she votes for this bill or even votes to end a flibuster that you will have her election Nov. 4th 2014 marked on your calander so you will not forget.
Never give up. . .I venture to guess the fun is just beginning.
1)Keep up the pressure, the jerks are counting on it dying out – calls, letters, office visits
2)Attend the protests — they are keeping a watchful eye
3)Write editorials to your local papers
4)Get on the local talk shows to express your voice
5)Donate time and/or money to candidates to unseat the slime
6)Become a poll watcher/worker to stop the theft by Lefties of our elections
7)Run for office — even a voice for freedom at the local level stems the Marxists
8)Unite all factions to vote the bums out next fall.
We are in a period of our history, if we do not fight, we will lose our country.
Americans will no longer be able to remain complacent as in years past. . . this is a bullet-less, voter revolution against the Obama/Marxist takeover. . .and we are the underdogs at this point in time.
Fortunatly or unfortunatly I live in Japan right now and don't even pay US taxes, too buzy paying Japanese taxes. But if you just not pay your taxes you may one day go to your bank account and find out the IRS has taken money out of it. They are going to get the money one way or another, its better just to defeat them with elections.
The left just ignores us. We can call until the phone lines crash, fax until they run out of paper, show up for the rallys that the MSM doesn't cover so the average person has NO clue as to what is going on. The dems get their photo ops with the docs, etc. and they proceed to rahm this through. I think it will take civil disobedience of some sort to get the media and government attention that we are serious and we are not going to take it anymore. They just don't care! And they think we will give up by ignoring us.
I think we need to leave some mail at the traitors door during the Thanksgiving Holiday or organize a protest–why should we allow them too not hear from us this Holiday. Leave stacks of the bill at the gate saying READ THIS- its been declared as easy too read as a Harry Potter Book. Leave the Consitution and ask isn't this what you swore too protect? Why are you a combatant of the very same document WE THE PEOPLE entrusted you too protect? They need too know Americans are Greatful and will not stand still on a day of Thanksgiving–No E-Mail–No phone Calls but we all have paper -printers and cars to drop if off at thier door step!!
WE THE PEOPLE, WILL CHANGE STATUS QUO IN 2010 WE THE PEOPLE, WILL SEND HOME THE BASTARDS THAT SOLD OUR SOULS, WE THE PEOPLE WILL TAKE BACK OUR WHITEHOUSE, WE WILL DESCEND UPON YOU LIKE YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE, WE THE PEOPLE WILL PASSIVELY RESIST THIS HORRIBLE HEALTHCARE BILL, YOU DON’T HAVE ENOUGH JAIL BEDS TO INCARCERATE ALL OF US, WE THE PEOPLE WILL HOLD UP THE CONSTITUTION EVEN IF YOU DON’T, WE THE PEOPLE ALL HOPE YOU GO TO HELL!
thankfully mine voted Nay but I had his office all pegged out for some eggs if necessary ….
A tax revolt isn't going to work Im afraid, they are already spending more money than they take in tax revenue. They will just make the deficites bigger and throw a lot of people in jail for tax delinquency.
this is why we should go to a palin book signing – wear your tea party gear and force them to come over and talk to you … we have to get our vocies out to the people…
get her name to glenn, mark, rush, and thompson… we need to look at her bckground and get her name out there…..
true – here in my state fraud runs wild …. start small people … sign up to work in voting locations to help stop the fraud….
My wife and I have been to three Tea Parties, invigorating. Get out there and do it, if for no other reason, you’ll know you’re not alone.
I see it as jailing political opponents, what the hell is happening to America, the Libs are insane
moneymoneymoney, money, Money!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13ZDgwUhZZ8
It speaks louder than anything besides votes and elections in DC, you can trust me on that one. It really wouldn't take a lot to break fund raising records this time of year, we should only break them, we should destroy them. Find who is supporting the bill, find who is running agianst them, and give money to their opponents and not only in your state, everywhere.
It won't make any difference – we need a new strategy. They don't care. Millions of people have been phoning and sending messages and it has not changed one vote!
The great red state of Oklahoma is one of the most oppressive as far as taxes on the working class. The working class pay far greater portion of their income to taxes than the rich.. By the way both parties did this to the working class. so who is looking out for the working people… NO ONE, but the lobbyist are smiling
What happens when his/her gate is blocked by mail? Mail that they would have too screen therefore read-even thou non threatening. What would go through a murder's mind if the victoms family offered him his favorite cookie? Would he be stupid enough too eat it?–whats in the cookie? What threats are in the mail must be screened-must be read American majority is aganist me etc…
I think it has done a lot more than you realize. Nobody expected it to take as long as it did to get it passed the houseof reps. If we can delay the senate vote until 2010, it will be a lot harder to pass it in 2010, an election year, than it would have been this year.
And remember Obama is now below 50% in most polls, that is huge when it comes to his healthcare agenda. If it gets any lower, that could also kill the bill.
So everyone, keep the heat on the Senate Democrats.
Rich,
The weather in Thailand today is similar to the other 11 1/2 months here, about 90 during the day and 75 at night. FWIW, I spent my last 3 years in Japan before retiring last year.
I was assigned at Yokosuka, about 30 miles south of Tokyo(near Yokohama). Retired on August 31st last year and now live in Bangkok.
Sorry to all for being off topic.
I'm thinking of writing Mary Landrieu and telling her that since she can be bought, I want $10.00 worth…
A lot of morning sickness brought on by this race to ObamaCare
Wake Up america! Now is the time to stand up and take to the streets! Civil disobience is called for! Block the entrance to the local ofices of these SOB's and refuse to leave. Force the police to arrest you. It worked in the sixties it will work again. Vote for anyone not part of the politcal parties and the elite! Be prepared because the SEIU thugs will be out and they will atck someone in the crowd. Attack them back! The elected prosecutors are bought and paid for by the left so we'll have to fight fire with fire! Don't vote for the incumbant who won't do thier job regardless of who has to pay the price! Wake up America! There was a picture of Harry Reid flipping the bird the other day on Big Government and that is exactly what he and the other %#$@*& Washington elite are doing to us. Every poll tells them we do not want health care reform as they see it and yet they're pushing it through by bribing Senators and Congressmen.
Confront these SOB's as they go about their home districts! Picket their houses! Make their lives a living hell. Give them no peace! Stand up and fight America! Civil disobience! Refuse to give them an inch to breath. Jam their phone lines. Jam their faxes! Do it eevry last SOB's across the country. Those of you who can do computer things do it. maybe make their phone ring continually with automated calls denouncing them. Nothuing destructive but really a pain to deal with! We can can do this if we get off the couch and fight for our rights. Kick them all out of office NOW! Impeach Obama for failing to live up to his oath of office. For failing to supoort our troops in a time of war! For trying to circumvent the constitution! Wake Up America! These peope do not represent you but themselves and the money from special interests so they can line their pockets.
Where is the three hundred million bribe that Harry Reid gave Landrieu coming from? Who paid that money? How can he say the bill is paid for when you bribed have the senate? Do we have a budget line for bribes? wake Up America! these poeple are stealing your children's future and making slaves of them! Is that what you want for your children? I doubt it! So stand up and start protesting. Take time of work, it's that important! Use your sick days! Spend your of hours organizing your freinds and relatives. We have to start now and we have to stop these peopleNOW! Everyday they take a little more. If we wait expecting someone in Washington or the parties to save us we will be enslaved! Rise up america! Stand up for your future for your children's future!
Since the senators have their own lifetime gold plated heath care, why would they give a rats ass about this war on health care, thay have as they say, no skin in the game
The Health Care Borad which was sneeked into the stimulous package is already making determination of what they consider as too many tests–Manograms and Pap Tests on females. Yet it suports abortion, what does that tell you were this is going? Isn't limited care of expecting mothers far behind-what will become of babies born who are less then perfect and considered to much expense in our dying economy? It's time too defend those who cannot defend themselves. Its time to be thier nightmare–but in a nice way-JUST NUDGE THEM.
May God have mercy on our souls if this becomes law. I am ashamed that Sen.ben Nelson comes from my state, If he votes for this he is not representing the people of Nebraska and I hope he gets voted out in 2012!! Government run health care will destory the rural hospitals and clinics in my state. Sorry people third parties don’t work it splits the vote and the democrat wins every time. Harry Reid should go to jail for bribery along with the rest of those clowns!!!
Socialism—making life miserable since 1827.____Tolerance for incompetence—will always prove to be a failure—liberal scum will never change, because they can't change—liberalism is a mental disease that is detrimental to normal hard working, tax paying Americans.____Everybody loses if government run health care passes. The liberal rubber stamping scum just don't get it—if you think the government takes to much money from your paycheck now, just wait until they start deducting even more from your shrinking net pay, to pay, for this monstrosity—worse health care at a higher cost.____The politicians, both democrat and Republican are "BUILDING A FINANCIAL ARK" and the only one's who will have boarding privileges will be the ruling elite—everyone else has to deal with the rising tide of DEBT and the incessant waves of TAXATION that will keep the ARK afloat.____The policy makers are utilizing skillfully the economie crisis of our time to advance a globealist agenda to subvert American sovereignty.____""Cancer has to be removed before it spreads and destroy's the body. The day is coming when the liberals will have to be removed before they destroy our country.
What bill?
You going to shoot yourself in the head?
What's he going to do, drive a bus?
Are you saying the undereducated and the overeducated got together to enslave the average educated?
What shocking, truly mind blowing, is the fact that so few people understand how our government works.
Until this presidency, not a single president,nor any member of his administration, has ever gone after the previous president/his administration.
Trying to undo a Bill/previously passed and now law or regulation or government program ( I'm not talking about taxes nor an amendment to the Constitution ) has never been repealed/scaled back/undone.
Clinton signed off on a gigantic number of EOs. Many really stink! President Bush the younger tried to undo many of them. The SCOTUS halted him, in his tracks, in getting rid of some of the most flagrant ones.
Of course it makes a difference, vis-a-vis getting rid of as many Dem held Congressional seats! If you can't grasp that, there is just no hope for you or anyone else with such ideas!
I'm sorry that you "fell for it", though given Joe's history, I don't understand WHY you did. At least,now, you know to NEVER trust LIEberman.
No not what I'm saying. The undereducated played a huge part in obama's election. His leftist comrades are all over educated a holes. who are legends in their own minds
IT MATTERS !
Without a Dem majority in one or both Houses, Obama won't be able to force any more crappy SOCIALIST garbage down our throats.
But don't hope for an impeachment or trail; Obama's race will save him from that.
The point is, if this Obamacare is going to DESTROY THE COUNTRY, then it wouldn't matter if muppets had congressional seats. You yourself said that the bill will never be challenged. If the bill can't be challenged, we're no better off than with the current GOP minority we currently have. So, a threat of kicking them out of office is totally meaningless. Get it?
Yes, that matters. But according to some, Obamacare is going to destroy the country, the republic is officially over. If that's the case, I'd be less concerned about 2010 or 2012 and more concerned about finding a new country to call home.
Better to have positive thinking. Point out what is possible in order to give momentum to fixing things. Saying "it's all over" is just hyperbole. People who are full of panic and defeatism aren't the best people to solve problems.
How about another video?
Those 60 dimwits can suck our collective teabags.
They voted in favor of discussion about the bill. The bill itself has not passed yet! Pay attention!!
Yes, the Republic IS over; yet, soome of it can be reclaimed somewhat, with a GOP majority in both Houses.
Good luck in finding a country to emmigrate to; one that isn't war torn and/or not PC or deeply drenched in SOCIALISM. Should you find one, do let all the rest of us know about it. As far as I can tell, there isn't one.
No, it hasn't ever been done before and though a few bits and pieces might be able to be chipped off this Bill, should it pass, undoing it completely is most probably not going to happen.
Please don't talk about "insurrection"; that's just a whole lot of hot air and chest beating.
I saw plebty of that, on line, during all 8 horrid years of the Clinton presidency and NOTHING happened, in the real world.
Yes, we can get some things undone/repealed/changed, but only with large majorities in both Houses, which means really LARGE majorities, so that they can over ride a presidential veto.
And then there is the nasty possibility that Obama will get a second term, as Clinton did, due to the good policies of the GOP Congress.
But all of us need to get out there and get GOPers ( good ones ) elected; we can worry about the rest of it later.
We now know what a Louisiana prostitute looks like and how much she can get paid if she pretends to play hard to get.
I have a idea-that may help get more people to wake up to this “nightmare.” Buy some stickybacked letters- BigGovernment.com Breitbart and attach them to your vehicle that you drive to work or you put the most miles on. Anything, that will help get the message to people who don’t know what’s going on. And, have no idea where to turn for the RIGHT information. I spoke to a young man today, that I mentioned this website to a couple of weeks ago. He’s “PISSED,” SAID HE wished he had not checked on this information. I told him “ignorance is NOT bliss!” The more people that get the RIGHT information and get “PISSED OFF” the better chance we have to CHANGE THINGS IN 2010 AND 2012!
Great idea. So many of the libtards are locked in to the MSM and hear absolutely nothing negative. It seems thier remotes are locked in to one channel.
I also hope Andrew keeps the heat up on Holder. Perhaps the MSM might be obliged to cover it a bit.
Sorry, just wishful thinking on my part.
And so with bread and circuses the American Republic ends and the socialist state begins.
Protests no longer mean anything. Soon, neither will your votes. There is only 1 option left. Long Live the Constitution!
A bit late for a reply but what the heck.
It CAN be done. That's the point. If you really think this whole thing is lost why even bother? Just pack it up, accept that your freedoms are gone and move on with your life.
Hot air and chest beating? Well hot air I can understand as we get that consistently from Washington, but chest beating? That doesn't sound comfortable or productive. (That might bruise!!)
Of course, that little thing called the Revolutionary Insurrection er… Oops. I mentioned insurrection again. Sorry.
Well the Revolutionary War probably sounded like hot air in the day. I imagine someone in old King George's cabinet said about the same thing regarding the colonies. "Oh no my lord, those colonists just rattle their swords from time to time. They'll never openly rebel."
Like the revolutionaries before us, there may come a time when action must be taken. I don't think it's on us yet but it's heading there. Really though, we all have a choice in this. Sit and take it, or take action. That's a great question to ask ourselves. If the original Revolution was happening today, which side would we be on?
Today's situation bears almost No resemblance, whatsoever, to the American Revolution; none.
Now, if you have said the Civil War, you would be on much stronger footing. But remember, the South lost.
Somewhat earlier, there was the "WHISKEY REBELLION". Those rebelling, in Pa. , lost also.
During all eight years of the Clinton farce, there was talk, all over the net, about "blood in the streets", "a new Revolutionary War", "feeding the tree of Liberty", all kinds of talk about Posse Comitatus ( which I became an expert on, as did the rest of us, back then ), and much else in that same vein. Hmmmmmmmmmmm……………….do you remember that "revolution"? Somehow I missed it.
You know when there WILL be blood in the streets and riots ? WHEN OBAMA IS NOT RE-ELECTED; IF THEN……….NOT NOW AND NOT BY THE LIKES OF US !
So yes, all of this "talk", on forums, is just so much hot air, chest beating ( I suggest you delve into the topic and not be so flippant nor condescending about that term ), and hysteria.
Have a lovely evening.
No resemblance? Let's see, distant government power dictating policy and out of control taxation for starters. Hmm… Sounds rather close to me. Just replace England with Washington in most of the revolutionary material. Got your musket primed and ready yet? (Just don't ask me to wear a powdered wig!
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However, let's assume for the sake of argument you're right. What then? Your comments seem to indicate it's time to call it a day so to speak. So let's all give up? Stop this hot air and chest beating! (Ouch, I don't think that's healthy anyway!) Is that really what you're indicating?
If I follow that sort of logic things get depressing in a hurry. Why bother doing anything? I think I'll just sit here and live off of government welfare. Obama will pay for it, he told us!
I could list times and places in history when hope was all but gone yet people pressed forward. However, what would that accomplish? (Especially since I rather think you're a bit older and can probably list more than I can.
) Whether or not someone gives up hope is up to the individual. That's a choice we all have at times. I choose not to give up.
One argument could be that makes me an idealistic fool. Maybe so, but I'll be in fantastic company and a heck of lot less gloomy.
Your smarmy, inelegant, convoluted, egregiously inaccurate, post proves a couple of things; none of them reflecting positively on you .
Okay, here's a few salient historical facts, that you were either never taught, or that you neglected tol learn, when they were being taught:
1) We are no longer a colony of a foreign nation/s.
2) The French Revolution didn't "fix" any problems that nagtion's populace had/imagined they had.
3) The "WHISKEY REBELLION" was swiftly and easily put down and changed nothing.
4) The South lost the Civil War, the slaves were freed, and this nation went back to being one nation of states.
5) The Veterans' rebellion ( or whatever you want to call it ) was closer to BLOODY SUNDAY, in 1905 Russia, than the American Revolution.
6) There was no "Second American Revolution", during FDR's reign ( and yes, that is what it was, more than presidential terms ), even though many people were as angry at him, as they now, at Obama and Congressional Dems.
7) There wasn't a"second American Revolution" during either/both terms of Clinton; yet there WAS even MORE talk of it, on the net, than there is now.
Not only am I probably older than you are, but better educated, more intelligent, more conservative, and never said to "do nothing".
It is now more than obviouys, that you just like to hear yourself bloviated; even if all of that bloviation makes you look like a raving nutter and a total. moron.
This isn't some college dorm room; so stop throwing the bull !
You know, the net is an interesting place. Even if you enjoy a discussion with someone it inevitably leads to ad hominem posts. Curiously, when I opted to ask you to clarify some points you end up responding with virulent character attacks. At no point did I say anything other than it -sounded- like you had lost hope. (You were of course free to respond to that though you never did.) Your education level was never in question. If I wanted a discussion with a spoiled child I'd hunt out that liberal troll that wanders around here at times.
To clarify what -I- meant, the foreign power in this case would be Washington. That is, a distant power out of touch with the rest of the states and the people it is meant to govern. (Are we really disagreeing on that point I wonder?) As for your other points, I never intended to suggest any revolution but the original American Revolution ended positively. In most cases revolutions end rather badly as you have pointed out. However, I feel any further attempt at clarification on my part will only result in further attacks so I will stop here.
For the record, I was enjoying this discussion previously even though we obviously don't agree on some points. How sad that it should end on such a sour note.
No dear, if you want to have a conversation with a spoiled child, go talk to yourself.
I suggest that you read your previous posts, they are all laced with smarmy belittlings, condescension, crackpot notions, smothered in an air of elitist righteousness; not to mention an abject lack of knowledge…..historical and otherwise.
You may have found it "fun"; I found it insufferably boring; akin to watching paint dry, though worse.
So much for some sort of reasonable consensus. Just to clarify, the spoiled child comment was about the liberal troll, not you. I was actually suggesting I thought you were worthy of conversing with.
I'm not going to bother with any further response save that your comments (after your first) have been quite disappointing. I think perhaps I will try and talk to that liberal troll after all. He tends to be more creative with name calling.
I just reread the previous post of yours, after reading this one, so I do take back, though just a bit, since you do act like a spoiled child and have far more in common with our erstwhile trolls, than with the rest here, that part.
You need to read all of your previous posts to me and try to do so as if you hadn't written them. Then decide why I replied to you as I have; you just might understand why you got the back of my hand and why I barely skimmed the last few of your posts.
But do let me know when you raise your citizen army how arming them with antique muskets works out.
Meanwhile, I'll be spending my time, money, and energy working to get GOPers elected to the Congress next November.
"Meanwhile, I'll be spending my time, money, and energy working to get GOPers elected to the Congress next November. "
Had you just said that after my second reply we wouldn't even be here now. But then, I indicated the same sentiment in my first response. So now we get to the end of this and apparently we both agree on the proper course of action currently. Only one of us was accusing the other of not even being conservative. (And spoiled! Now had you said overbearing egotistical psuedo-intelligent ivory tower slothful stupidhead… you might have had a real insult going.
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This entire dialog reminds me of what goes on at liberal sites. Not terribly encouraging is it?
You kept on asking me where my musket was.
You kept putting words in my mouth.
You kept on circumlocutionally calling for a "revolution" and not calling for a GOP sweep of the Congress next year, through civil/voting procedures.
You were after a knockdown dragout fight, no matter how immature, ignorant, and stupid your posts made you look. That sound like a LIBERAL, or worse, to me.
Go away and bother someone else, or better yet, go back to your lefty sites, where you belong.
*dies laughing*
Do you have no sense of humor at all? You actually remind me of a liberal I know. Not the liberal policies he has, but rather how up tight he tends to be. My suggestion: lighten up, laugh some, and quit sounding so gloomy.
Apparently since I'm liberal now I'll be sure to lose all my John Birch society friends and cancel any subscriptions to the National Review. When asked why I'll just respond "Somebody online said I was liberal, so I must be!"
No worries about me "bothering" you further. You are free to throw things at other conservatives with my blessing. (Just attempt to do it with a little more flair, hmm?)
Please do, by all means, have the last word; even though that means it's just more of the same impugnations, smeared over with your incessant, drool cup hilarity, supercilliousness, and haughty, nose in the air, Obama/Mussoliniesque imperiousness.
Lighten up? I've been laughing my socks off, at your semi-literate posts and attempts at sounding not just above it all, but "enlightened". Do you drink your tea with pinky raised, dear ? No, don't even answer that query, I know what you'll say; you poser. LOL