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		<title>By: AtheistConservative</title>
		<link>http://biggovernment.com/publius/2009/11/19/thursday-open-thread-gettysburg-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-503834</link>
		<dc:creator>AtheistConservative</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most eloquent speech in american political history. If only the &quot;under God&quot; part had been left out. 
 
Go ahead, vote me down. I&#039;ll say it here and say it proudly. I&#039;m an atheist and I can&#039;t wait for a purge of the theocratic conservative part of the Republican party. Lincoln wasn&#039;t a libertarian (he suspended the writ of habeus corpus and tried to muzzle the press) but at least he wasn&#039;t an anti-intellectual git like Sarah Palin or Sean Hannity. Can&#039;t wait for you evangelical types to get your minds out of the bronze-age and into the 21st century.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most eloquent speech in american political history. If only the &quot;under God&quot; part had been left out. </p>
<p>Go ahead, vote me down. I&#039;ll say it here and say it proudly. I&#039;m an atheist and I can&#039;t wait for a purge of the theocratic conservative part of the Republican party. Lincoln wasn&#039;t a libertarian (he suspended the writ of habeus corpus and tried to muzzle the press) but at least he wasn&#039;t an anti-intellectual git like Sarah Palin or Sean Hannity. Can&#039;t wait for you evangelical types to get your minds out of the bronze-age and into the 21st century.</p>
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		<title>By: AmericanMuser</title>
		<link>http://biggovernment.com/publius/2009/11/19/thursday-open-thread-gettysburg-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-502886</link>
		<dc:creator>AmericanMuser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 22:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What are Republicans doing?  It has been said that sunshine is a great disinfectant, so here it is.  Yesterday Republicans shamelessly thwarted efforts by Democrat Senator Chris Dodd to help Middle America by freezing credit card interest rates on existing balances.  At a time when people in this country are literally going hungry and without work, Republicans had the chutzpah to throw Middle America under the bus and instead line the pockets of credit card companies.  Oy gevalt . . . 
 
I understand the great plight suffered by credit card companies.  The gravy train with biscuit wheels that they&#8217;ve been riding for years will soon be coming to an end.  However, if they are looking for sympathy from Middle America, they can find it in the dictionary, somewhere between &#8220;shit&#8221; and &#8220;syphilis.&#8221; 
 
As you may recall, especially if you&#8217;re an insomniac and have needed something on the nightstand to help you sleep, the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act enacted in May, prevents arbitrary interest rate, fee and finance charge increases on a consumer&#8217;s existing balance. 
 
In response, credit card companies have been hiking credit card interest rates to 30% in a last ditch effort to take advantage of consumers before all of the CARD Act&#8217;s provisions take effect. 
 
To stem the hiking of fees on Middle America, Dodd&#8217;s bill would have sped up some of the provisions in the CARD Act, which don&#8217;t take effect until February or August of 2010.  But yesterday Senator Thad Cochran (R., Miss.) objected to the measure, and it only takes one senator to block a unanimous consent request in the Senate. 
 
This missive has nothing to do with the fact that consumers have a responsibility to spend within their means and to pay what they owe, and everything to do with the fact that the credit card industry has a responsibility to deal with consumers honestly.  There is nothing honest about what credit card companies are doing to consumers with these rate increases and fees, which are simply usury and legalized extortion. 
 
Middle America is already frustrated with the political Left and Right for not providing relief on pocketbook issues, and this gets the peasants one step closer to grabbing their pitchforks.  If you&#8217;re keeping score, let the record reflect that in keeping with its tradition of whoring for big business, Republicans have once again chosen big business over Middle America. 
 
A. Muser 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are Republicans doing?  It has been said that sunshine is a great disinfectant, so here it is.  Yesterday Republicans shamelessly thwarted efforts by Democrat Senator Chris Dodd to help Middle America by freezing credit card interest rates on existing balances.  At a time when people in this country are literally going hungry and without work, Republicans had the chutzpah to throw Middle America under the bus and instead line the pockets of credit card companies.  Oy gevalt . . . </p>
<p>I understand the great plight suffered by credit card companies.  The gravy train with biscuit wheels that they&rsquo;ve been riding for years will soon be coming to an end.  However, if they are looking for sympathy from Middle America, they can find it in the dictionary, somewhere between &ldquo;shit&rdquo; and &ldquo;syphilis.&rdquo; </p>
<p>As you may recall, especially if you&rsquo;re an insomniac and have needed something on the nightstand to help you sleep, the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act enacted in May, prevents arbitrary interest rate, fee and finance charge increases on a consumer&rsquo;s existing balance. </p>
<p>In response, credit card companies have been hiking credit card interest rates to 30% in a last ditch effort to take advantage of consumers before all of the CARD Act&rsquo;s provisions take effect. </p>
<p>To stem the hiking of fees on Middle America, Dodd&rsquo;s bill would have sped up some of the provisions in the CARD Act, which don&rsquo;t take effect until February or August of 2010.  But yesterday Senator Thad Cochran (R., Miss.) objected to the measure, and it only takes one senator to block a unanimous consent request in the Senate. </p>
<p>This missive has nothing to do with the fact that consumers have a responsibility to spend within their means and to pay what they owe, and everything to do with the fact that the credit card industry has a responsibility to deal with consumers honestly.  There is nothing honest about what credit card companies are doing to consumers with these rate increases and fees, which are simply usury and legalized extortion. </p>
<p>Middle America is already frustrated with the political Left and Right for not providing relief on pocketbook issues, and this gets the peasants one step closer to grabbing their pitchforks.  If you&rsquo;re keeping score, let the record reflect that in keeping with its tradition of whoring for big business, Republicans have once again chosen big business over Middle America. </p>
<p>A. Muser<br />
<a href="http://americanmuser.wordpress.com" target="_blank">http://americanmuser.wordpress.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anastas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anastas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 21:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a speech! I love Lincoln. I also love Reagan but I thought there were a bunch of apologies for America in his address . . . oh, silly me, I&#039;m thinking of the second lincoln.  I get them so confused sometimes. LOL 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a speech! I love Lincoln. I also love Reagan but I thought there were a bunch of apologies for America in his address . . . oh, silly me, I&#039;m thinking of the second lincoln.  I get them so confused sometimes. LOL </p>
<p><a href="http://www.eyeconshirts.com" target="_blank">http://www.eyeconshirts.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: joetheschmoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joetheschmoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can usually figure out what is being said despite errors in spelling and typo&#039;s.  But as TRS says huh? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can usually figure out what is being said despite errors in spelling and typo&#039;s.  But as TRS says huh?</p>
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		<title>By: N1nestein</title>
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		<dc:creator>N1nestein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you notice in the address, Lincoln does not use the word &quot;I&quot; anywhere in the speech. The address went so far as to say that the dedication was not as important as the act of the soldiers who fought and for those who died there. This is a stark contrast to how this event would be played out today... that is if Obama would even show up for such an occasion. 
 
But if he did, the speech would go more like this: 
 
Title: President Barrack Obama at Gettysburg 
 
&quot;I was not yet born when this nation was founded so many years ago by a group of white men that stated &quot;all men are created equal&quot; but did not really believe that. 
 
Now I have to mop up the mess of the previous administration who divided our country to the point where certain states, filled with mobs of angry teabaggers, felt that they must succeed from the union to keep up their ways of taking advantage of those not able to fend for themselves. When I came into office I gave a speech where I said I was strongly committed to making sure that the union stayed intact. General Grant has asked for more troops to ensure this but my advisors and I are stalling rather than increasing troops as requested to hopefully get the healthcare legislation through Congress before I dissappoint those in my base on the far left. But today we are here to celebrate this ground that I walk on, or as the media says (make quote gesture with hands) &quot;I hover over&quot; (wait for laughs to die down). I think this ground right under my feet, is where an a battle took place. So in order to demonstrate my committment to the soldiers and to my loyal subjects... er... the public, I have asked you, the media... except Fox News, to meet me here for a few photos showing how I am truly 100% behind our military. 
 
Besides my giving a speech here today, this ground is important because it is here, and at battlefields thoughout the country, where soldiers and their families made the ultimate sacrifice so that a black man like me could be here today reading from these teleprompters as your President. That pretty much says it all doesn&#039;t it? Now comes the time that we need to provide compensatory redistribution to make up for the two hundred plus years of economic disparity to America&#039;s poor and minorities. All men and women must now be made to be equal. My administration is fully dedicated and appropriately staffed to fundimentally transform this country to this principle. 
 
Thank you.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you notice in the address, Lincoln does not use the word &quot;I&quot; anywhere in the speech. The address went so far as to say that the dedication was not as important as the act of the soldiers who fought and for those who died there. This is a stark contrast to how this event would be played out today&#8230; that is if Obama would even show up for such an occasion. </p>
<p>But if he did, the speech would go more like this: </p>
<p>Title: President Barrack Obama at Gettysburg </p>
<p>&quot;I was not yet born when this nation was founded so many years ago by a group of white men that stated &quot;all men are created equal&quot; but did not really believe that. </p>
<p>Now I have to mop up the mess of the previous administration who divided our country to the point where certain states, filled with mobs of angry teabaggers, felt that they must succeed from the union to keep up their ways of taking advantage of those not able to fend for themselves. When I came into office I gave a speech where I said I was strongly committed to making sure that the union stayed intact. General Grant has asked for more troops to ensure this but my advisors and I are stalling rather than increasing troops as requested to hopefully get the healthcare legislation through Congress before I dissappoint those in my base on the far left. But today we are here to celebrate this ground that I walk on, or as the media says (make quote gesture with hands) &quot;I hover over&quot; (wait for laughs to die down). I think this ground right under my feet, is where an a battle took place. So in order to demonstrate my committment to the soldiers and to my loyal subjects&#8230; er&#8230; the public, I have asked you, the media&#8230; except Fox News, to meet me here for a few photos showing how I am truly 100% behind our military. </p>
<p>Besides my giving a speech here today, this ground is important because it is here, and at battlefields thoughout the country, where soldiers and their families made the ultimate sacrifice so that a black man like me could be here today reading from these teleprompters as your President. That pretty much says it all doesn&#039;t it? Now comes the time that we need to provide compensatory redistribution to make up for the two hundred plus years of economic disparity to America&#039;s poor and minorities. All men and women must now be made to be equal. My administration is fully dedicated and appropriately staffed to fundimentally transform this country to this principle. </p>
<p>Thank you.&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: GenBureau</title>
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		<dc:creator>GenBureau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely. Health Care does not fall under any of the Article 1 Section 8 Provisions under the Constitution, therefore not only wrong, but illegal. 
 
Their only defense is ol&#039; standby: to provide for the general welfare of the US.  
 
Before Jefferson ended his time as President, he had already decided it was time to take out that statement in the Constitution. Too bad it never happened. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely. Health Care does not fall under any of the Article 1 Section 8 Provisions under the Constitution, therefore not only wrong, but illegal. </p>
<p>Their only defense is ol&#039; standby: to provide for the general welfare of the US.  </p>
<p>Before Jefferson ended his time as President, he had already decided it was time to take out that statement in the Constitution. Too bad it never happened.</p>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>read Lincoln&#039;s Gettysburg Address...read obama&#039;s shout out on ft hood...rush to judgment. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>read Lincoln&#039;s Gettysburg Address&#8230;read obama&#039;s shout out on ft hood&#8230;rush to judgment.</p>
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