Thursday Open Thread: Gettysburg Edition
by PubliusToday, in 1863, Abraham Lincoln delivered the Gettysburg Address, dedicating a new national cemetery.

It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us — that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion — that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain — that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.





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And this POS who occupies the oval office COMPARES himself to this great man who lived to protect the freedoms of ALL Americans. Is there no end to the ignorance of Obama and his supporters ? Do you Obama supporters ahve ANY CLUE what this country is about ? NO ? You will soon….. November 2010.
Freedom from tyranny again….next year !
The great tragedy is that a disproportionate number of the "newly-minted" freemen's descendants figured out a way to re-apply for slavery courtesy of the federal government. The existence of slavery is not the great tragedy in the history and growth of this country, the twentieth century federal institutionalization of slavery IS.
" that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom — and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth."
It is so humbling to read those words from such a great man. To contemplate the history of this great country and the men and women to whom we owe so much.
To those now in Washington, those imposters that bring shame to the memory of all great Americans that came before, you had better find time for prayer.
An article that fits here:
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They will need to find time for the soup line…which is where most of them will be headed…. They will also be labeled as traitors and painfully drift into shame and obscurity. Pure belligerent evil…all of them. They will be made to dearly pay for their greed and corruption at the expense of America's heart.
Let us hope that the new Congress has the fortitude to prosecute these seditious bastards.
A remarkable man, and a remarkable speech, in a remarkable time. Though I am a proud Southerner, whose family sent twenty-one to fight, and only three returned, in retrospect can see the intestinal fortitude, and wisdom of the first “Republican” President. The Democrats are again dividing this country, despite what the majority wants, let us pray that the results are not the same. Washington as usual is misreading the election of ’08 as fiat to reshape America into a socialist utopia. If you’re in the political “business” don’t make long term plans.
As a Southerner myself, I loathe Lincoln. However, I do feel that assassenating him is very wrong. Boothe deserved to die. People has got to remember this is that Republican in the Civil War like Lincoln is today's Democrat. I'm a proud granddaughter of a Confederate soldier.
Stan,
You are right. The Democrats are once again dividing the country. This time it isn't over the fabricated issue of slavery, it is another fabricated issue. It is no different now, than then. It is creating "haves" and "have nots". The history of the Civil War has been rewritten, and the true issue has been buried: States Rights.
They will do it again; they have been playing the game well since the end of the War.
huh ?
As great a man as Lincoln might have been, all the bad things about today's Federal Government are directly related to the outcome of the War Between the States. Lincoln insured that the Federal Government would be dominant over the States, and would become the bureaucratic behemoth that is is today. Slavery aside, and no one is arguing over what a nasty institution it still is, the defeat of "States Rights" in the 1861-1865 war is the seminal turning point of the United States Government from one representing the people, to one representing the bureaucracy, professional politicians, and a differently enslaved minority. I say this as a person whose family fought and died as Yankee Soldiers, but who recognized the error of their ways later.
I fear that 2010 will not see relief. It's clear that the far left and it's supporters are consciously taking over the "counting of the votes" by electing leftist state officers, appointing leftist judges and controlling the "count". We saw the start of this in Minnesota this last election cycle, and another attempt in NY23 this month. By 2012, it may not matter who votes, it may only matter who decides which votes are valid and counted. It's more important that we focus on State and Local elections so that we keep our right to a free and fair election.
Video and song – The Last Full Measure of Devotion
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Slavery was an abomination, whose days where numbered regardless of what happened in the war. The first shots of the “The War of Northern Aggression, The War between the States,” finally the “Civil War,” were indeed fired over states rights. Lincoln selectively emancipated the slaves in September ‘1862 (Emancipation Proclamation) the war had been going since April ’61, and not going well. We must review history as these facts are unassailable, but we must get our heads straight for fielding good conservative candidates, and starting in 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, etc. begin to vanquish ‘60s radicalism, liberalism, into the dust heap of failed ideas. “Yes we can!”
"It is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who cast the votes decide nothing.
The people who count the votes decide everything."
~ Joseph Stalin ~
Stan,
On this topic, you're preaching to the choir.
The Civil War was not very civil, and it was the War of Northern Aggression; it continues unabated to this very day.
Although in all other respects a great man and a great President, President Lincoln stripped from the states the ultimate bargaining chip which they had held onto since the day they entered the Union. The threat of replacement (the people's right) and the threat of secession (the state's right) were both in place to check the power of the Federal government until the Civil war.
Slavery was wrong. However, forcing a state (or group of states) to remain part of the union was wrong as well. The North had no constitutional right to force the South to be a part of the union when they did not wish to be. Perhaps the southern term for the war is correct, after all- the war of northern aggression.
I memorized the Gettysburg Address when I was a kid growing up in the public schools of Tennessee and assumed the things it said were true. That's when I was a child.
Lincoln's words are a mockery when one considers that he held 13,000 northern political prisoners, without trial or due process of law – just because they disagreed with his illegal war.
Famous American writer H. L. Mencken (1880-1956), said of the Gettysburg Address: “The doctrine is simply this: that the Union soldiers who died at Gettysburg sacrificed their lives to the cause of self-determination – that government of the people, by the people, for the people should not perish from the earth. It is difficult to imagine anything more untrue. The Union soldiers in the battle actually fought against self-determination; it was the Confederates who fought for the right of their people to govern themselves.”
In Lincolns Day, Our leaders were honest, had integrity their handshake was their bond. They did what was right.
Now we have a Govt of Liars, Cheaters, Fake Numbers on jobs, Half truths, Embezzlers and Fraud, They make Bernie Madoff look like a Piker. ObamaCare is the biggest Fraud in US history, It is going to screw our eyes out.
There is a law, Theft By Deceit, Its when you Lie to induce one to give you money, Hello Al Gore!
You are correct.
I too memorized it as a child. Today, kids cannot even spell Gettysburg.
If your second paragraph is true, then forcing health care on individuals in independent states would also be wrong, eh?
If Lincoln had not been assassinated and deified, perhaps we'd know more, as a society, about this man who destroyed states rights forever. The point can't be argued today, even with your great first sentence, without being branded a racist. I pray that something similar will NOT happen today.
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read Lincoln's Gettysburg Address…read obama's shout out on ft hood…rush to judgment.
Absolutely. Health Care does not fall under any of the Article 1 Section 8 Provisions under the Constitution, therefore not only wrong, but illegal.
Their only defense is ol' standby: to provide for the general welfare of the US.
Before Jefferson ended his time as President, he had already decided it was time to take out that statement in the Constitution. Too bad it never happened.
If you notice in the address, Lincoln does not use the word "I" anywhere in the speech. The address went so far as to say that the dedication was not as important as the act of the soldiers who fought and for those who died there. This is a stark contrast to how this event would be played out today… that is if Obama would even show up for such an occasion.
But if he did, the speech would go more like this:
Title: President Barrack Obama at Gettysburg
"I was not yet born when this nation was founded so many years ago by a group of white men that stated "all men are created equal" but did not really believe that.
Now I have to mop up the mess of the previous administration who divided our country to the point where certain states, filled with mobs of angry teabaggers, felt that they must succeed from the union to keep up their ways of taking advantage of those not able to fend for themselves. When I came into office I gave a speech where I said I was strongly committed to making sure that the union stayed intact. General Grant has asked for more troops to ensure this but my advisors and I are stalling rather than increasing troops as requested to hopefully get the healthcare legislation through Congress before I dissappoint those in my base on the far left. But today we are here to celebrate this ground that I walk on, or as the media says (make quote gesture with hands) "I hover over" (wait for laughs to die down). I think this ground right under my feet, is where an a battle took place. So in order to demonstrate my committment to the soldiers and to my loyal subjects… er… the public, I have asked you, the media… except Fox News, to meet me here for a few photos showing how I am truly 100% behind our military.
Besides my giving a speech here today, this ground is important because it is here, and at battlefields thoughout the country, where soldiers and their families made the ultimate sacrifice so that a black man like me could be here today reading from these teleprompters as your President. That pretty much says it all doesn't it? Now comes the time that we need to provide compensatory redistribution to make up for the two hundred plus years of economic disparity to America's poor and minorities. All men and women must now be made to be equal. My administration is fully dedicated and appropriately staffed to fundimentally transform this country to this principle.
Thank you."
I can usually figure out what is being said despite errors in spelling and typo's. But as TRS says huh?
What a speech! I love Lincoln. I also love Reagan but I thought there were a bunch of apologies for America in his address . . . oh, silly me, I'm thinking of the second lincoln. I get them so confused sometimes. LOL
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What are Republicans doing? It has been said that sunshine is a great disinfectant, so here it is. Yesterday Republicans shamelessly thwarted efforts by Democrat Senator Chris Dodd to help Middle America by freezing credit card interest rates on existing balances. At a time when people in this country are literally going hungry and without work, Republicans had the chutzpah to throw Middle America under the bus and instead line the pockets of credit card companies. Oy gevalt . . .
I understand the great plight suffered by credit card companies. The gravy train with biscuit wheels that they’ve been riding for years will soon be coming to an end. However, if they are looking for sympathy from Middle America, they can find it in the dictionary, somewhere between “shit” and “syphilis.”
As you may recall, especially if you’re an insomniac and have needed something on the nightstand to help you sleep, the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act enacted in May, prevents arbitrary interest rate, fee and finance charge increases on a consumer’s existing balance.
In response, credit card companies have been hiking credit card interest rates to 30% in a last ditch effort to take advantage of consumers before all of the CARD Act’s provisions take effect.
To stem the hiking of fees on Middle America, Dodd’s bill would have sped up some of the provisions in the CARD Act, which don’t take effect until February or August of 2010. But yesterday Senator Thad Cochran (R., Miss.) objected to the measure, and it only takes one senator to block a unanimous consent request in the Senate.
This missive has nothing to do with the fact that consumers have a responsibility to spend within their means and to pay what they owe, and everything to do with the fact that the credit card industry has a responsibility to deal with consumers honestly. There is nothing honest about what credit card companies are doing to consumers with these rate increases and fees, which are simply usury and legalized extortion.
Middle America is already frustrated with the political Left and Right for not providing relief on pocketbook issues, and this gets the peasants one step closer to grabbing their pitchforks. If you’re keeping score, let the record reflect that in keeping with its tradition of whoring for big business, Republicans have once again chosen big business over Middle America.
A. Muser
http://americanmuser.wordpress.com
The most eloquent speech in american political history. If only the "under God" part had been left out.
Go ahead, vote me down. I'll say it here and say it proudly. I'm an atheist and I can't wait for a purge of the theocratic conservative part of the Republican party. Lincoln wasn't a libertarian (he suspended the writ of habeus corpus and tried to muzzle the press) but at least he wasn't an anti-intellectual git like Sarah Palin or Sean Hannity. Can't wait for you evangelical types to get your minds out of the bronze-age and into the 21st century.