GOP Leaders: AARP Should Reconsider Endorsement of PelosiCare
by PubliusHouse Republican leaders today sent the AARP a letter calling on the organization to reconsider its endorsement of Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s (D-CA) 2,000-page government takeover of health care in light of a new Obama Administration report that unequivocally shows the legislation would raise costs and cuts seniors’ Medicare benefits.
The AARP endorsed Speaker Pelosi’s health care bill “with confidence” two days before it passed the House of Representatives based on the organization’s “twin goals of making coverage affordable to our younger members and protecting Medicare for Seniors.” In their letter to AARP CEO A. Barry Rand, the leaders note that “more than 35 million Americans pay dues to AARP each year based on the belief that your organization is fighting for their best interests in Washington.”
AARP’s endorsement of the House-passed Health Care bill is, at best, odd. To pay for the expanded coverage, the House bill relies on around $500 billion in Medicare cuts. Just about all of AARP’s members receive their health care coverage through Medicare. And since seniors already have full coverage, and increase in coverage will benefit non-seniors, i.e. non-AARP members.
For those keeping score at home, let’s review. AARP, an association of individuals will full health benefits, has endorsed legislation to cut its members benefits to provide benefits to people who aren’t members. Wonder how that gets explained in the membership brochure?
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considering the fact that AARP will make a financial windfall selling GAP insurance to it's members after this insult to our collective intelligence is passed-
The fix is in…
as health insurance more than doubled in 8 years, the GOP's sole contribution to fix the problem was Terry Schaivo's law, and *completely* unfunded Medicare Part D, adding $1Trillion in debt over the next 10 years while adding precious little value.
i think the AARP has it right, and GOP should reconsider their historical failures on the area of healthcare. what makes you sure they have things right THIS time?
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Like the unions, AARP is all about AARP. They are raping their members, peddling their assumed credibility into huge fees from the insurance companies they endorse. This really blurs he line between a tax exempt association, expected to provide a common benefit to its PAYING MEMBERS, and a full blown TAXABLE ENTITY.
They are not who they pretend to be, tear up your membership now!!!!
It comes full circle now. White Europeans sold Africans into slavery in the US, Today Obama extracts his revenge by selling the entire nation into slavery with China as the new plantation masters. This is what Social Justice means!!
You really are a vile repulsive piece of trash,scott. Health insurance doubled over eight years, huh? Why? Could it be because the portion of our population which utilizes the greatest amount of resources is also the fastest growing? And because we assumed responsibility for payment of those expenses without regard to risk or the means of those we have decided to insure? Then we fail to actually pay the cost of treating those people, leaving the private sector to make up the shortfall. What exactly is your problem with Terry Schiavo's law? You think the severely brain damaged should just be "given a pill", like our idiot President would advocate?
Nice foretaste of things to come today with the government panel recommending against breast self-exams, and mammographies. That what you advocate?
Oh scotty boy………..back for more ?
The AARP is supposedly "for" seniors, but they aren't. Obama has already set in motion, taking 500 TRILLION out of Medicare, to partly pay for ObamaCare. That's money that will devastate an already terminally ill ( bankrupt ) GOVERNMENT RUN health care system that NOBODY can opt out of. Since government can't run Medicare well ( oh hell, at all ), robbing from it, in order to "pay" for something like it, but at a much inflated size, is insane.
The AARP is out for the AARP! They were promised SOMETHING BIG, to switch their vote. First they were for Obamacare, then they backtracked as fast as they could, now they are for it again. That, alone, should tell uyou something stinks.
How about the Dems and their little troll boys reconsider all of their historical FAILURES, instead?
AARP is into this for money becasue Obama paid them off with promises of them being able to sell there higher cost insurance to their memebrs that don't want death panel policies, they stand to make hundreds of millions of the corpses of their clients.
There is no other reason AARP is into this, it will not benefit their membership at all, it will benefit AARP executives though.
If I were an AARP I would file a class action law suit against them. If I were someone in the GOP I would facilitte that ASAP and demand a discovery hold, just filing would put the message out, the fear of God into Peolosi, and the shredders would be working 24×7.
Quit talking sense, it just confuses him.
Exactly
Is there not one GOP type lawyer out their willing to file a class action suit? They are supposed to represent the best interest of the members of AARP, not their own or the Administrations.
Discovery on this would be very very interesting, I can hear the AARP exec's starting up the shredders now.
Better if your a member get together with a friend or two and file a class action suit and get some discovery going, I would really like to see the the Adminstrations communications to AARP about GAP etc.
Come on GOP, you have deep pockets, go get these slime balls, if you don't win that's ok we just want all the e-mails, phone records, and trip reports.
I think you mean 500 billion. It really would be a story if they took 500 trillion out of Medicare.
"You really are a vile repulsive piece of trash,scott"
why, that is just plain rude!
"Could it be because the portion of our population which utilizes the greatest amount of resources is also the fastest growing? "
that's probably one of many causes. so, with spiraling costs, dwindelling resources and coverage, it was the GOP plan to just sit back and do absolutely nothing about protecting hard working American families from loss of coverage due to pre-existing conditions, job loss through company failures, etc. That is hardly leadership.
"what exactly is your problem with Terry Schiavo's law"
my problem is that the gov't stuck its nose in where it didn't belong. the legislative and executive branches of government unconstitutionally intervened in a judicial matter (against the separation of powers under the United States Constitution).
Given all that they could have addressed, they chose to pass unconstitutionally retroactive legislation against one person. Fat lot of good that did our entire country!
scott_z, bloviating as usual…
Pardon, but why do you call yourself after toilet paper? Scott and Zee?
More crap your pushing, maybe?
never let the facts stand in the way of a perfectly good foaming at the mouth, knuckle dragging mouth breathing illogical rant!
Give the AARP what you think…
Move to the American Seniors Association or Generation America…they can't sell inflated insurance to people that aren't there…
I'm calling Dad and Mom; they know lawyers…and aren't squeamish about suing…
AARP gets a 'Kickback" from everything they endorse from Health Insurance to Auto Rentals to the tune of 400 Million toO $600 million per year. They are in the business of MAKING MONEY, not representing Seniors. Don't buy anything endorsed by AARP and cancel your memberships.
Beats me why you hang out here, but nice call on how you usually behave…
Yeah…you could have an entire Administration and Congress do it instead…
Hey, everybody! How's the "rope and chains" working for you…?
I wouldn't be getting all worked up about what scott_z purports. He is entitled to his opinion and he enjoys swimming in his talking points and interesting dismissal of very relevant issues.
His purported talking points about health care the other day included the notion that tort reform and health care reform can not proceed together because "there are too many enemies" that would converge on the process.
Not that malpractice is real. Not that defensive medicine is jacking the system with excesses. Not that the cost of practicing medicine has ballooned. No. Scott said that – to paraphrase – people other than the doctor and his patient will come out of the woodwork, out of the clouds of anonymity, climb out of the sewers and try to protect their cut of health care.
Forget about a bill that benefits doctors and patients. Let's worry about lawyers, bureaucrats, administrators, lobbyists, politicians and the other leeches. Why? Because scott knows that this bill is about government. Not health care. And I got that straight from the horse's mouth.
OUCH…………yes, I did. That'll teach me not to write and post something while I'm also on the phone.
Look Scott, healthcare reform needs to happen, it is just the program they are pushing is not only unpopular with the masses, there are clauses in the legislation that are very unconstitutional. A public option of any form is unconstitutional, massive, sweeping government regulation of private industry is unconstitutional, most of the existing legislation is unconstitutional, so why pile more bureaucracy onto an already overtaxed system? It makes no sense.
Don't sweat it, 1redcent…scotty_zee cant count to twenty-one without pulling off his pants…
if you look above, i was immediately called a "really are a vile repulsive piece of trash" the second i posted.
i was very nice, up until that point. you'll notice my posting history. i never start out calling names, but if i am attacked i fight back.
"A public option of any form is unconstitutional"
bebunked:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/4/776760/-Ar...
AARP is like Faust making a pact with the devil. They expecting certain things that Obamas folks I'm sure have promised them, but they have no idea what will happen. More than likely they will be discarded once all of the political capital has been extracted from them. These folks do not know loyalty. Look at V. Jones and A Dunn., those folks were pitched under the bus at the first sign of conflict, and those people were of like mind with the powers that be.
AARP has always been a lefty organization; they were just a bit better at hiding it before.
you've got to know this is coming. AARP is caught between the proverbial rock and the you know what…
and so is government run- and mandated- health care…
You cannot constitutionally order, no demand under threat of arrest- someone to buy health insurance.
Don't get into areas you don't understand. The Constitution of the United States is obviously one of them.
AARP has sold out its members. And they are still trying to tell us that's not the case. AARP is not representing my interests and does not represent me.
"You cannot constitutionally order, no demand under threat of arrest- someone to buy health insurance. "
where does the constitution say that?
23 you mean.
Nothing wrong with making money it benefits the users, I have AAA and they get me the best deal, more power to them if they make money off it was well.
The AARP is harming it's members on purpose with this one though, that's a different story, they may have been doing this all along I dont know, but a class action suit would get all the cards on the table and they would have to go on the defensive.
The AARP getting sued by it's own members would also push people to other organizations because they would be forced to defend their position and discovery would leave them very little wiggle room.
Back in the 70's that it was well known that AARP was a front for selling insurance and had nothing to do with representing seniors. Doesn't anyone pay attention?
AARP is very pleased with their decision, too stupid at the executive level to notice that it's the seniors that have taken it to the streets to stop Obamacare. How dumb is that. Ir's beyond tone deaf.
I'm too lazy to Google an insightful article that I read awhile ago about the hijacking of non-profits and trust funds by lefty activists eventually……the Ford Foundation, the ACLU, AARP, Amnesty International, etc……eventually the lefty victim pimping minions hijack them.
How arrogant is AAPR? Their website provides no feedback. Unless I missed something, there is no way to contact them with any feedback. Sound familiar.
where does the constitution say that?
Try the 4th Amendment. That's the Privacy Amendment.
AARP cannot see any reason to unendorse the healthcare plan. They are blinded by the greed of knowing they will make millions of dollars in royalties from selling Medigap insurance policies.
AARP has definitely lost its way in meeting its original mission of representing the seniors of this country. It has become a big business and is more interested in the bottom line than its members.
Don't link to DailyKOS. Find a REPUTABLE website to link off of.
and the tenth amendment as well…
'The powers not delegated to the United States (that's THE government, guy) BY the constitution, nor prohibited by it TO the states are reserved TO the states, respectively. or to the people'
You cannot- by executive fiat- force people to buy health insurance under the threat of arrest. It says it by PROHIBITING it…
It is rather interesting that China is questioning Obama on his health-care plan. Wow, who would have thought that if we owe our soul to China they just might dictate to us what we can and can not do!!!! Seems Congress may need to start over on this one.
Alot of the powers the government currently has are unlawful. Government is not the answer to problems but is the cause of them, like healthcare, regulation of it and paying 20 cents on the dollar for Medicare so the industry as a whole has to jack up the prices to cover costs.
where? i'm not going to "try the 4th amendment", i want you to tell me how it conflicts with the 4th amendment.
sorry, this might require you to actually READ the Constitution.
Hard work!!!
Now thru Dec. 31 is the chance for Medicare supplemental plan & Drug care Part D users, to change FROM any AARP insurance TO any other vendor. They sold out seniors and should pay for this low-life act. Contact everyone you know.
a claim which was thoroughly debunked already
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/4/776760/-Ar...
it's not unconstitutional. and it's patently absurd to even claim so.
agreed.
You can find so-called 'constitutional scholars' -Barry was supposedly one- who think it to be a 'living, breathing document' to be interpreted by whatever lawyer advocate is in charge at the time.
WRONG.
It is a set of fixed principles- rules if you like- that are changed by the people through their representatives in congress.
Not the 'nine robed sdestroyers'…
if you can refute the logic, go for it.
"Government is not the answer to problems but is the cause of them"
keep with those talking points! good show!
Not so much. Their "newsletters" during the Bush administration were enough to turn me off!
"living, breathing document' to be interpreted by whatever lawyer advocate is in charge at the time."
that is not what the "living document" theory subscribes to at all.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Living_Constitution
Thanks………………
I was in the middle of writing when the phone rang, though that I could finish it up and post it, without dropping a beat, but I did…..drop a beat, that is, before turning all of my attention to the call.
Poor scotty boy didn't post yesterday……………………….the new talking points hadn't reached him yet.
Most "over 50s" I know only belong to AARP for the traveling discounts. Newsflash – those 10% discounts one gets as an AARP member can be obtained as a member of AAA. And, AAA does NOT lobby against it's members.
that is a partisan- and thoroughly incorrect take.
See you in court…
easily…
To understand this completely one must refer to the Federalist Papers, and the arguments Madison made for limited government, most recently articulated by Antoni Scalia.
It doesn't take a genius to realize that if you let people interpret the constitution to fit their partisan ideals (see the 'Welfare Clause' for particularly egregious examples) you no longer have a Constitutional Republic.
This ain't a Democracy, pal…
Their newsletters, during Clinton, did sort of cover up their far lefty leaning; though they slipped up from time to time. Friends of mine showed me a few of them, when they left AARP.
Everyone with more than 3 working braincells should quit/never join this rotten organization !
no. i posted a link to a refutation of the central claim that universal health care is unconstitutional.
you did not refute a single word.
a "limited government" is a very vague term with lots of meanings to lots of people. it was kept vague because just as today, when the federalist papers were drafted, there were serious disagreements on how the government should operate.
Like the unions, The Healthcare Lobby is all about The Healthcare Lobby. They are raping their customers, which is YOU.
evidently you like it enough to let it continue.
of course it is partisan. but how do you disagree? can you refute anything?
we were slaves to china long before Obama took office.
Bush did that buy borrowing money to give massive tax cuts to the wealthiest 1% of Americans, and to finance the wars in afghanistan and iraq.
AARP is going to lose their paying customers – Republicans. Democrats are not the "paying" type. They're scr**ed.
your link is a left wing site. What did you expect from people who do not believe in the fabric of our society? People who think this a racist, sexist,- whatever- country.
Nothing posted by Markos Molitsas should ever be taken seriously; and his so-called scholar would lose that argument in court.
What the Constitution DOES do in enumerate the powers the Feds can do. Everything else is the purview of the States. If enough states wanted to give this power to the federal government they can.
It cannot seize it without a legal challenge. And it will be a fight. You may want a socialist system- which this is thinly disguised as- but others are adamantly opposed.
You could start to see secession from the government, Texas leading the way.
Don't laugh…
You might try the 10th as well, but we all know that Progressives view the constitution as something that needs to be avoided, subverted, or simply ignored.
It's wasted breath trying to argue with zombie
P.S.
You want people to prove you wrong. You cannot prove you are right!
"What did you expect from people who do not believe in the fabric of our society?"
how dare you!
of all the attacks, i have received on this website. that actually hurts.
because i honestly think you believe that,
Yep
plus the Wiki site on 'Living Constitution' is not an explanation of THE constitution but an argument made by proponents- like Al Gore- who want to be able to twist it to fit their own partisan agenda.
Wise up, guy- and quit while you're ahead…
where did you come up with that?
no right wing ideologue here, pal. Just someone who thinks that a Constitutional republic with limited suffrage (yeah, that's right- not everyone should have a vote) with changes in law coming from the bottom up- not the top down- is, and has been a pretty good system. Until Woodrow Wilson and the Progressive movement started the internationalization of our country.
I was not accusing you of that quote. It was directed at the Daily Kos and it's pro left views. The argument his legal beagle made was both soporific and weak.
Do not take personal offence. You are simply misguided, not un-American.
Feel better?
I am here by quiting AARP! this isn't what i signup for and I won't contribute to being made a slave by the politians in washington! Boycott AARP! they jst want money like all the politians. In fact the new guy incharge at AARP is an Obama koolaid drinker who is selling out the senior of thei s country for cash and political influence with our soon to be new dictator unless we the poeple stop them! Wake Up! Stand Up! Fught for your rights and your freedoms! if you don't no one will! The trash in Washington wants you to be too afriad or too busy to bother1 They are counting on you refusin to believe until it is too late1 Wake Up and take back your country! They are stealing your children's futures! Is that what you want?
It is not tone deaf, it is arrogance. They are playing the demographic tidal wave of baby-boomers and feel that anyone they lose they will replace, unfortunately there are so many uninformed consumers, they may be right!
i am a liberal, and i agree with many of the opinions of the daily kos.
you are accusing me with that quote.
ok, then so be it.
You are guaranteed- by the Constitution- to have the right to be wrong. having re-read Henry Porter's take on both the tenth and fourteenth amendments one wonders what law school he attended.
His assertions are questionable at best, and flat wrong at worst.
As some of the other posters have wondered why a lockstep lefty would wander into this site, so do we…
We would never go into the Kos; it's by and for those on the left.
And it's intellectually dishonest, too. So, perhaps we should agree to disagree and let it end there…
"We would never go into the Kos"
you would never have your opinions and worldview challenged.
you instead prefer an echo chamber where you can receive validation from others seeking an echo chamber to receive validation of their views from you.
"punch back twice as hard"…?
but you just regurgitate talking points. Make your own, for a change- and stop being a drone.
Cotradictory ideas- well reasoned- are always welcomed.
If we went into 'the Kos' and left links to BigHollywood what do you think the reaction would be?
We'll give you credit for stubborness, if nothing else…
you keep saying "talking points"
these are my *beliefs*. and rather than being challenged, they are merely dismissed out of hand.
no, The Kos gave you your marching orders, and you want to convert 'the heathens'. When challenged- and you have been- you ignore them and move on. You are happy with the thoughts of others.
Believe them if you wish. But don't try to sell refigerators to Eskimos…
I would love to see AARP defend the new government task force that says mammograms are no longer necessary until age 50, and only every 2 years thereafter. I'll be attending my 30 year old niece's best friend's funeral on Thursday. Cause of death = breast cancer. They have no shame. I have already cancelled my parent's AARP membership, and signed them up for American Seniors. I am disgusted.
lol.
i read/post to biggovernment.com 100x more than i read kos (i do not post there at all)
i receive no marching orders, any more than you do from biggov't or fox news, or conservative talk radio.
these are my beliefs, that i continue to develop quite independently of any external pressure or influence.
"When challenged- and you have been- you ignore them and move on."
hey. it's apparently me against the entire big gov't forum. once a post hits 20+ replies, i am only human, and do indeed have outside interests, and a full time job.
if you want follow up to a comment i missed, post any link to any comment of mine.
For what its worth I think that the GOP is making a mistake when it comes to exploiting the "They are going to cut your Medicare" meme that the Democrats have used so often. Because when it comes down to it, entitlement reform is going to need to happen at some point and this is going to be thrown back in their face.
Nope. Eventually entitlements (what a joke of a term) will be stopped. That is the only way it will happen, politically. And by stopped I mean that everyone who has paid it will continue to get benefits, only no-one can join the program anymore. Either that or they will offer a cash buy-out for the remainder of the Medicare plan.
I think you unintentionally proved our point. You know all too well that once implemented, entitlement programs are irrevocable, from a societal standpoint. The only Democrat to reverse some of the entitlement was Clinton, with the urging of a GOP congress to scale back welfare, to pass Welfare To Work, only for it to be undone by Obama. So, all of the bills under consideration do in fact cut Medicare by $500 bil, whilst passing a Healthcare bill that would be very difficult to undo. Pick your poison.
Dailykos is your quoted resource? Geez, man get real. That's worse than using wikipidia as a source.
Credibility going, going, gone…………..
I've read your stuff…
And I agree…
With 1redcent…
"Twice nothing is still nothing…"
Cyrano Jones, Star Trek
The problem is, when this starts going into effect, the cuts will happen, but with all the mess that is going to be left over from the Obama Administration, the restoration will be almost impossible to accomplish…
That is, IF the Senate goes along…which I doubt…
Well, that explains why you're a liberal statist; you have the Obama Administration's gift for numbers…like all those new Congressional Districts with TARP tax revenue…that don't exist…
Judd Gregg (NH) told Greta tonight that $500,000 million will be eliminated from Medicare in the first 10 years; the next decade will see the loss of $1 BILLION of Medicare money.
Sorry, but, Medicare cuts, the anchor of paying for ObamaCare, is being cut $500 BILLION.
In other words, you are jealously guarding your territory.
Don't write to the AARP! Really, don't waste your time. Do what my wife and I did. Cut up your AARP cards, and tell them you can't belong to a organization that supports a healthcare reform bill that the clowns on capital hill didn't even read. Maybe, when organizations like AARP start folding due to lack of membership they'll start to get the hint!
AARP is just another big rip-off they save seniors nothing just use them to rip them off! If the Members in AARP had any sense they would all cancel their Memberships!
we do try to engage you. However, your posts are a hit and run style of 'well, this lefty says this- here's the link to their website- so it must be true'.
it's how you come across, and it's why you aren't taken seriously.
If you're good with that, well pretty soon you will just be ignored. You need to start thinking for yourself…
That was hysterical, you should be a comedian, seriously
Here is your ideology boiled down Scott
Theft from us, free stuff and power for you.
We get it, and that's the problem you progressives have always been trying to solve, how do you mask the simple truth?
Scott is paid to take up bandwidth, sadly by tax payers like me and you.
Strange how that happened, oh I am sure it will all be cleared up with the shredding of some documents and some books being taken to the kitchen for good old fashioned cooking.
You shoudlnt use big words, it takes him forever to google them, then try and find a response in the wiki or the daily kos
AARP-another legal “union.” People that join this organization think they are being “taken care of.” I call bullshit-I get that trash in my mail it ends up in the circular file. People need to realize they don’t get “something for nothing.” AARP doesn’t give a damned about seniors-it’s all about their “power with numbers/people.” Drop your memberships-boycott advertisers!
Scott,
Please show us where, precisely, the Constitution says that the government CAN demand we all buy (expensive) healthcare.
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