Committee Confirms: Comply With Pelosi-Care Or Go To Jail
by PubliusFrom the House Ways and Means Republicans:
Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
n response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”
Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:
“H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]
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“If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]
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“Criminal penalties
Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:
• Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.
• Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]
When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.
“The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.
According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.
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I suspect this is not the most horrifying thing in the bill either, arent you glad you live in a "Free" country
Oh yeah, i cant wait to see this stand up to the constitution. Bring it on Congress, not only will NOT spend one cent towards this health care bill, I will NOT spend one day in jail. Bet on it.
Let me get this straight…. If I go to jail I will get free health care? MMM,MMM,MMM
Everyone call your member of congress and urge them to vote NO on obama / pelosi health care. Tell them to stick their bill where the sun dont shine.
Screw Nancy — she is a political whore.
Don't worry, the Senate has gutted this part of their bill. They even included language to make SURE the tax policy punishments would not apply and lowered the fine to $200. Certainly not a mandate to buy health insurance, maybe a "suggestion" would be more appropriate.
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This will not turn out well.
"The statists’ epistemological method consists of endless debates about single, concrete, out-of-context, range-of-the-moment issues, never allowing them to be integrated into a sum, never referring to basic principles or ultimate consequences—and thus inducing a state of intellectual disintegration in their followers. The purpose of that verbal fog is to conceal the evasion of two fundamentals: (a) that production and prosperity are the product of men’s intelligence, and (b) that government power is the power of coercion by physical force.
Once these two facts are acknowledged, the conclusion to be drawn is inevitable: that intelligence does not work under coercion, that man’s mind will not function at the point of a gun."
Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal “Let Us Alone!” Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal, 141.
AMEN!
This bill is not even "Constitutional"…. The government can't force this on it's citizens. Where are the Constitutional challenges? Class action lawsuit on changing the Medicare laws, conditions, and procedures. The US Government "stole" monies from me for 34+ years out of my paychecks, in turn to provide healthcare without limits when I turned 65. The Government should be taken to court in a fight for what we paid for.
I would love to see them try to arrest me for this.
Peacefull divide….. we need to divide this country. South = Conservative Capitalists and the Liberal Socialist of the North and West Coast.
Pelosi is a traitor
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If this bill passes everyone should boycott the health plan and see how many of us will get thrown in jail. This country would come to a screeching halt if all it's taxpayers were sitting in jail.
Already have, and everyone else should too.
WOW, that a pile of you know what! Go to jail or pay the Government! Sounds like the Mob to me.
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These are the same penalties imposed on people who choose not to pay their income taxes and never file a Form 1040.
Get in step Comrad, you're governmeeeent needs you. Its wonderful what a democrat can squeeze into a bill to help you isn't it. But only the rich will pay, those making over $7.50 per hour. Looks like post apartied to me.
Pelozi can still pound sand!
It's sad that Americans are just going to sit back and take this. We have turned into a bunch of spineless sheep. We don't want it but we are not going to do anything about it. It might interfear with our must see tv. Baa baa america. Baa baa American freedoms.
That skank needs to shut her trap!
I wonder how many libs will still be obama supporters when friends family and themselves find the govt knocking with its one hand out demanding its money and in the other a pair of cuffs? funny – you never hear a lib crying about giving themselves more freedom as long as it specifically applies to them, like abortion, yet the hell with everyone else and their pursuit of life and liberty. it will be fun watching all of this come crashing down on their heads if it passes. GO GALT America! And if you dont agree with me, you are probably a fascist!
I wonder how Law Enforcement feels about this. They'd have to believe in it strongly enough to pay with their lives to enforce it.
Can we try Nancy and Obama for treason YET!!?
they are just double-dog-darin' us to stop their insanity of a bill….
King George the III, ooops i mean nancy pelosi, should take this bill and go EFF herself with it!!!
hhhmmm,,ya know,,i spent a few years in berlin,,,back when the wall was still there.never in my wildest imaginations,did i think,or even consider that our country,,,our country,,not east germany,could come up with such horse squeeze. is this what you fellas voted for??(those that did vote for these clowns).man,,oh man,,problem is…where do i fit in?? if not this country..then where? just another big pile of bullshit,,brought to you by the democratic party..think before you vote next time
gee wiz mr wilson, and i thought it was just about gettling little johnny health care so his mommy and daddy wouldn't wind up homeless when he comes down with leukemia….who woulda thunk it's all about verbal fogs and coercion by force….wow…takes a real gas bag to go there…maybe if i hang tea bags from my ears i'll understand the deep mysteries which seem to come so easily to the right.
Thus the reason for the stealth Saturday or Sunday vote. San Fran Nan doesn’t want any of this 2000 page mess to be scrutinized before the vote because of hidden bombs that are riddling it’s pages such as this jail option. It is clear to anyone with any amount of gray matter that Obama/Reid/Pelosi don’t care about the moderate Dems within the party. They KNOW that next year the Blue Dogs will be out and perhaps even some of the regular leftist leaning Dems and they are trying to ram this through while they have the votes. The don’t care one whit if these other Dems have to fall on their swords to get this travesty passed. They want them to shut up and pass it. If I’m a blue dog Dem I’m telling them h–l no! And then if they had any cojones (Or just wanted to save their blue hides) they would switch to the Republican party.
Obama is stacking the deck on the bench and they will tell all of us what is and is not constitutional!
Cowards! If it's such a great bill, then vote on it now. Guess the thugocracy needs to do some more arm twisting and more pork needs to be promised to some fickle congressmen.
$1,200,000,000,000.00 is a lot money. That's roughly $3,900 of cost for every soul that is not murdered in the womb. Can a family of four really afford an extra $16,000 for health insurance?
So it is a FELONY to not have health insurance under Pelosi care. Its not a felony to drive without insurance in Louisiana (don’t know about other states). So much for the car insurance analogy.
Pelosi "Gastapo Style" government will have us all fearing a knock at the door. Obama style "Enabler in Chief" will have all enemies laughing at our military. Clinton style Diplomacy will Enable all enemies to grow stronger. Clinton (Bill) style character will have all Interns fearing for their sexual safety.
Thank you John Kerry, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Madeline Albright, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama!!!
I called mine, and indicated that a yes vote would indicate that he did not want to continue in Congress… and that I would do everything in may power to see that he would not be returned.
Is this the best our representatives can do?? Force us, the very people they are supposed to be working for into a bastardized form of health care just because Nancy Pe-loser said so. Hey Nancy, take this Bill and shove it!!!!!!
Basically, Pelosi is mandating that those who pay their taxes……Rich Republicans….will go to jail.
COME AND GET. LIVE FREE OR DIE
That is what the "civilian security force" is for
NO way on the planet will I ever pay any fine, tax, fee, etc. for not having health insurance. I am an American, not a socialist slave!!
If this ever does get passed into law, every individual signing it will be tarred and feathered and actively put out of office. The Revolutionary War was started for this same identical reason.
Well of course – and where is money coming from – is China going to fund our debt forever so we can buy Chinese goods? The Democrats are unbelievable. Here's our conservative pledge: (1) ALWAYS VOTE for the most conservative candidate (2) HELP conservative causes by putting our money where our mouths are (3) GO TO tea parties and conservative protests – don't leave the hard work to others, that's how we got in this situation(4) NEVER watch, listen or read anything by the mainstream media – they lie (5) TALK to our neighbors even if they are mid-guided libs (6) WORK for conservative candidates – give your time (6) WRITE to representatives – make sure they know what we are thinking and that they work for us (7) STAY SMART – and don't be fooled by Democrats and other evil minded people (8) BELIEVE in God and Country and that in the end we will win, simply because we have to – the consequences of losing are too great.
I will pay the $200.00 fine and drop my insurance. (It is high deductable so it will be illegal anyway.) Then when I get sick I will get insurance, remember they will not be able to turn me down for preexisting condition, and then drop it again when I am well. That should bankrupt the system…
No!! Let the "skank" speak. The more she opens her mouth the more people realize just how stupid she and this administration is.
Small wonder they came up with this garbage behind closed doors.
We have to bury then in emails and DEMAND this be stopped.
They work for US. This is not about healthcare, it is about power.
The marxists have always taken the position that if you control healthcare, you control everything.
Same for cap& tax, the commie in chief is selling this country down the river to the U.N., our sovereignty will be subject to the whims of little 3rd world countries who hate us…..this is NOT an American sitting in the WH, it's a 5th columnist, a Quisling.
For $15,000 the Democrats better be wiping my A$$ for me. That's more than double my current coverage plan. Holy crap. It always seems to cost more to just live under Democrat control. To hell with that Bi#@$ and her little lap dogs.
Congress or the public will not have 72 hours to read through the bill before the vote. 72 Days would not be enough for a subject of this magnitude. 72 weeks would be more like it! What kind of brain-power or logic does someone have to have who loves bureaucracy and more taxes?
DEMOCRATES SUCKS!!!!
Why not just skip the runaround and write a mandate in the bill that you have to vote for Democrats or you go to jail, since this is all they really care about anyway.
I guess I am going to go to jail because that is what they are going to have to do to me, I will NEVER be forced to enter into a contract with a 3rd party by my government on threat of fine and/or prison… even if that fine is $0.01. I DID NOT SPEND 6 YEARS ON A SUBMARINE THAT SPENT MORE THAN 7 MONTHS A YEAR AT SEA SO MY GOVERNMENT CAN THREATEN ME IF I DON"T DO WHAT THEY SAY!
Render unto Obama what is Obama's……….
Obama uses the constitution as toilet paper. I suggest we put his socialist mug on toilet paper and return the favor to the skidmark in chief.
Harry- The drugs are not working for you pal. You need to step away.
This should show the life-long rank and file Democrats out there what their party has turned into. If it doesn't, nothing ever will. It no longer is the party of your father and grandfather. It was taken over by the far-Left wackos who want to control everything in your life and send you off to jail for not bowing to their whims.
Some liberty-tilting state should NULLIFY the bill.
Sounds like a good plan to me. Use a Pelosi “Health Plan” or spend time in a US correctional institution. Enough time in the latter and I might qualify for public office.
Now be careful Pat
The way things are going it might not be too long before you get a new room mate, I hear Barney Frank is about to run into a little legal trouble.
We need to find a Doctor that will shoot Pelosi's head full of Botox until it explodes! How much more liberal bs are we as a country gonna tolerate?
I really don't understand your point, am I supposed to?
I suggest you start by using sentences,
Now that was just plain mean, to whores everywhere that is.
I doubt your capacity to actually think about anything troll.
Nancy and I have all this under control. You hateful T-baggers just need to trust us, keep paying your taxes, do what we say and everything will be fine. We may even toss a few credits your way.
It doesn't help when your congressman is "Whore Dog" Grayson. All you get is nasty responses.
They say its a slippery slope, so i wonder what next the govt. will force us to buy or go to jail?
I like Nancy Pelosi, and I advise that many of you need to be more careful about what you say about her. You do know that witches can cast spells… don"t you???? "S"
Let the democrats pass the bill, then once the republics get the majority in 2010 they can revoke the law.
Maybe there is JUST ONE politician who has enough brains to sponsor a bill that that would limit the length of ANY bill proposed — to be limited to 50-pages in non-legalese language, easy-to-understand speak.
What are you talking about?
I hope that the only thing that this Congress is finally able to pass is…… GAS!
She's a politcal whore just as much as the entire congress. The repubs and dems are all money hungry whores. I think your living in a fantasy world if you think its on the dems or only Pelosi. Look at the past 8 years of politcal whores in the white house.
That would be a good idea BetterPlan, but they foresaw this little back door ploy and have a section in it that says you can't get coverage for a pre-existing condition for at least 6 months if you try what you're suggesting. What this means is if you find you have a tumor that could kill you in 5 months…………………….well you're dead.
Rest assured the liberals trying to pound this down our throats are going to get your and my money come Hell or high water if they can make this into law.
Does anyone really want healthcare handled like the post office or DMV?
Until they actually clean up Medicare fraud and address tort reform, I'm very much against this POS plan.
Take the word "Political" out and replace it with "Old", now you have the truth!!
Whenever the Congress decides to enforce its own illegal alien laws, and to hold the Congress and Administration to jail for failure to pay their income taxes, or to lie about them like Rangel. Then maybe they can put someone in jail for not buying health insurance. If everyone decided to tell them to go to Hell….and not buy insurance….then they are going to need a lot of jail cells…and that is going to up the cost of healthcare immediately.
This retarded Hosebag has lost her mind, if this goes through she better start building a lot more prisons with the money the US Government does not have . Vote this witch out and send her back to Cali on her broom.
Let's rename the prisons; call them mental rehabilitation centers. Then label those who wilfully resist the tax as mentally ill.
Now we can invoke national health care to get them the treatment they so desperately need, and deserve. For years. And years. Until they get their "heads straight."
When the wall fell, my mom who lived through the war in East Germany and escaped, became very upset while the world applad. You see, the world looked at the wall as keeping freedom out-my mom saw it as a communistic prison which now we freed. As long as Freedom exsists man-kind will always try too control with or without a wall. Perhaps what we need to do is give the Communistic another world-I heard they are selling property on the Moon!!
A gentlemen in Orlando just shot up his ex-employees business. What do you think a lot of angry ex-employees will do when they find out it was your plan Nancy that caused them to lose their jobs? I'm just saying, people are fed up.
well if they were following the Constitution, there would be no Health Bill. I thought we got rid of a Monarchy on July 4th.
Seriously — this Pelosi needs to go to jail for treason! Most disgraceful person in this country — who the HELL does she think she is – she is nothing but the WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST. We need a real politician to oppose her when re-election comes next year.
WE MUST ALL DEMAND TERM LIMITS for this very reason!
It's not law enforcement; it's the IRS. They'll be only too happy to raid you, take your last penny, crumb of bread, and shoot you on the way out.
Surely the criminal fines and possibility of imprisonment in the new health-care bill WON'T APPLY to little Timmy Geithner.
Bring it on Pelosi!! you fu***** idiot!!!
Why is it the young, blacks, illegals, don't see how Dems are always ordering, name calling, and lying all the time yet keep voting for these fools. You'd think after seeing their lives not improving with giv-a-ways promises, they'd stop voting for them.
Dems probably really don't care if they win next time, because before we can get them out of office, the damage will be done, and they will have passed all the stupid programs under the sun they've always wanted to.
Sad thing is, the grown ups who should know better and could stop it, sold their kids (who are helpless and no nothing of what is happening, down the river with this past election.
If we would have just supplied a financial education in our school systems, maybe they would have not taken out such loans, and cried when they were taken, maybe they would understand savings and banking.
Oh wait, the government don't dare educate kids to things they can use or hold them accountable with.
Passage of this bill will be the death of freedom. A totalitarian regime is around the corner.
ARENT YOU PEOPLE GLAD U VOTED FOR OBAMA AND HIS FRIENDS
Where the heck are our elected Republicans????
So … does the 1.2 trillion include the cost of building new jails to house all of us?
The people of Orlando elected him. Isn't it time the people he insults stopped spending their money at Disney World, the largest employer in his district?
It seems that the liberal progressive socialist marxists are not content to just wake up the sleeping giant (we the people) . . . . . . they're about to have a really pissed off giant on their hands.
"The contest for ages has been to rescue liberty from the grasp of executive power." ~Daniel Webster
to paraphrase Groucho: "If there was a whore here I'd apologize"
While I'm sure the progressives will support the Bill lock-stock-and barrel, They will eventually have to pull their head out of the sand and realize that the American people do not want government oversight into any part of their lives.
Rumor is that Nancy did not wear panties on Halloween! She gets a better grip on the broom that way…
Maybe it's another form of stimulus. There will have to be lots of jails built to contain the newly criminalized.
I was thinking the same thing…
The system they want to mandate is kind of like letting people go without fire insurance on their home until it catches fire, then buying insurance, paying one month's premium, then dropping the policy the next month.
hahaha. this is going nowhere. these people are commies.
Time to have another civil war. The Northeast liberal trash and left coast trash against the rest of the country. This time you idiots disarmed your "Progressive" lapdogs. We in fly over country still are armed and we have plenty of Ammo. Also do not go to California, Especially San Fran or Las Vegas, until they vote this Markist Scum out of office. And Guess what the Coward in chief wouldn't be able to count on the Military to back him up, that's why he wants to start his Civilian Defense Force, but who will he get? Most of these idiots would shoot themselves trying to figure out how to use an actual rifle. You can't learn in your parents basement or in the Welfare line.
Don't blame me, I voted for the American.
Or perhaps you are afraid to speak your mind.
Come on, I won't yell or call you names.
Have your say!
Or remain a fool who can do nothing but snipe like a little dog at the ankles of their masters.
This is part of why I now refer to her as "Nazi Pelosi".
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