Maine Agrees With Obama: No Same Sex Marriage
by PubliusGay marriage has now lost in every single state—31 in all—in which it has been put to a popular vote.
From the Associated Press:
Maine (AP) – Maine voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed, dealing the gay rights movement a heartbreaking defeat in New England, the corner of the country most supportive of gay marriage.
Gay marriage has now lost in every single state—31 in all—in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine—known for its moderate, independent-minded electorate—and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign.
With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the votes.
“The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across the nation,” declared Frank Schubert, chief organizer for the winning side.
Gay-marriage supporters refused to concede, holding out hope that that the tide might turn as the final returns came in.
“We’re here for the long haul and whether it’s just all night and into the morning, or it’s next week or next month or next year, we will be here,” said Jesse Connolly, manager of the pro-gay marriage campaign. “We’ll be here fighting. We’ll be working. We will regroup.”
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Funny how the liberal agenda items just utterly FAIL when put to a vote of the populace. The ONLY way they get anything they want is through the courts by fiat. Screw that! ( no pun intended) It's time for all this libtard crap to go before the voters. I have faith in my fellow citizens that we're sick and tired of being sick and tired…. of liberal crap.
The gay rights crowd will continue to lose when their agenda items are put up for a real vote. The only way they can get anything through is (and pardon the pun) through the back door.
Nineteen states left to go ( no matter how many more state Barry believes there are ) and I doubt that the same sex marriage crowd will win those.
It’s interesting (and telling) that the A.P. refers to it as a “heartbreaking defeat” for the pro-homo crowd. Had the vote been the other way, they wouldn’t have labeled it that for our side. I call this a cause for a celebration of sanity!
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you guys are bastards…i can't believe people like you even exist. you guys must be lab rats for group polarization. not everything the lemmings do is correct you sad brainwashed oafs
In 2008 Florida confirmed "One Man, One Woman" as the standard for marriage. Some Libertarians said it wasn't the government's business to take away the civil right of marriage from homosexual couples.
I said that Marriage was created by God in Genesis as One Man, One Woman and what right does the government have forcing their pro-homosexual ideas into God's country since they scream "Separation of Church and State!" every time we try to do something? Marriage was not created by the government; it was created by God long before the U.S. Constitution — or any other founding document from any nation worldwide — was created, so what right does the government (any government) have to push homosexual marriage into being when it was God's idea in the first place?
31 to 0
Power to the people
Wow, your intolerance is showing! Calm down before you pop blood vessel.
Two interesting highlights from the linked AP piece:
—Maine voters defeated a measure that would have limited state and local government spending by holding it to the rate of inflation plus population growth. A similar measure was on the ballot in Washington state.
—Another measure in Maine, which easily won approval, will allow dispensaries to supply marijuana to patients for medicinal purposes. It is a follow-up to a 1999 measure that legalized medical marijuana but did not set up a distribution system.
So this was hardly the work of "hate-filled conservative demagogues" as Maine appears to be pretty much liberal, with non-conservative measures winning on the same ballot.
Still, let us see what the voting breakdowns for ethnic and religious groups were, while celebrities and other activists decry the racism and denying of Constitutionally-guaranteed rights, and some Mormon churches get targeted. Like in Kalifornia, another liberal state, after Prop 8 went through.
Side question: How often do these advocates declare gay marriage is a "God-given right"? Just wondering.
100% correct
well if thse people actualy read the bible they would read not only in the old test.but in the new as well homosexualality is an abomination to God goes against the grain goes againt what God created how can they say its normal i dont think gay men can reproduce
I don't know what the point is. The next election they'll try again, then the one after that, then the one after that. Eventually they'll win, then a judge will refuse to let it be overturned because it would be removing a right. At some point Conservatives are going to have to make a strategic decision on how to deal with this, then work out something with gay activists. Either that or give up and let them have their way. How much money has been wasted on this so far, only to have it pop up in the next election. It's just never-ending.
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“Gay marriage has now lost in every single state—31 in all—in which it has been put to a popular vote.”
Wonder why!!!
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No, the Homsex group will not win they will never win read the signs, there is such a thing as Gods backlash, which next will be Gods wrath. These Groups have all weaked our Country. May God be merciful to those that Repent and unmerciful to the rest………………God, Country, Family!!!
(Putton latex gloves before I comment on this issue) SOLUTION ! Put all the gay men on one island. Put all the snappers on another. Return in 75 years to discuss their viewpoint again.
Nah, it is not quite never-ending.
So far gay marriage has been enacted by activist judges and liberal legislatures. The judges were most troubling, as within a state their authority is second only to their state constitutions. Result, 30 amendments to 30 state constitutions against gay marriage. Given the barriers to amend such, their possible repeal by a countering amendment seems very unlikely for decades to come, and even then we would have to allow them to commit enough indoctrination long enough to reverse public opinion.
As is getting pretty obvious by the numbers, gay marriage advocates will have to take it to the federal level, since only there can state constitutions be overridden. And, surprise, the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) still survives, with the US Supreme Court refusing to touch it. I severely doubt they, or any federal judge, is about to toss aside a state's constitution over this issue.
Therefore, they are losing. Therefore, there may well be an ending.
A few of these posts tempt me to re-think my position as a gay Independent/Conservative. You really wonder why gay/lesbian or even open-minded people drank the Obama kool-aid? When you are the alternative the kool-aid looks good.
If you hate the idea of gay marriage, then how about not standing in the way of civil unions? The reason some of the activists are pushing for marriage in the first place is because people like you fight the rights consenting adults to enter into legal contracts. They figure marriage is the easiest way to have basic civil rights (such as hospital visits and estate rights). Prove you are not hate-mongers and don't fight civil unions. It's obvious from reading these posts that many of you would.
I'm thinking that there be some trolls here. A bunch of the more anti-gay (as opposed to anti gay marriage) posts here sound the same yet have different names attached to them.
It used to be that such trolls would write obviously dumb things like 'kill the XXX,' now they're a little more subtle, I guess– pushing as far as they can without getting flagged for removal.
Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve folks, no matter which way you look at it. Marriage of one man and one woman is of God. I'll be shouting hallelujah and praising God all day. God still does answer prayer. Its very simple, God will forgive you, all you have to do is believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and ask Him to come into your heart and read your bible and pray every day, sure beats burning in Hell forever. Read John in the Bible it will show you His love for you. God Bless you all.
Why does the government have any interest in distributing benefits based on sex? The only reason there was a marriage benefit in the first place was society's recognition of the sacrifice made by married couples in bearing and raising children in a stable environment. Nothing has changed. So why should there by government recognition of same sex contracts? How does one prove to be in love or having sex? Any unemployed heterosexual could "marry" his roommate to get health insurance under such idiotic laws.
Place the blame squarely on the homosexual activists who took an all-or-nothing approach to the issue. For most Americans, marriage is a sacrosanct institution. Whether temporal government should have anything to do with it at all is a separate issue, but as long as I, and I expect most Americans, are asked the question, via the ballot box, if our definition of "marriage" should include two men or two women, we will always answer NO.
I was particularly struck by this all-or-nothing mentality recently, while reading the local Jewish newspaper. A homosexual activist was asked whether she was seeking "tolerance." She laughed at the idea, and said she and her peers were not. They were seeking complete normalization of their lifestyle choices– acceptance…no…embrace of it without a second thought.
No. If tolerance isn't good enough, too bad.
Obama cannot come out for gay marriage because he's a Muslim.
BINGO!
Hit the nail on the head!
Marriage is a mandate from God (the one true God in the Holy Bible, Genesis specifically, not the Multi-cultural "all religions worship the same god" bs).
I am so sick and tired of these libtards trying to argue their "right" to equal treatment in marriage when THEY CLEARLY DO NOT MEET THE DEFINITION!
Marriage is a contract with God that just happens to be recognized by Caesar. That don't make it Caesar's to redefine.
Create some LEGAL equivalent, and so be it, but Marriage is a contract between me, my WIFE, and God.
Nuff Said.
Quick, somebody call Code Pink…………
I am a hard core conservative. Fiscally and Socially.
I believe homosexuality is a sin.
BUT! I am also an American, and I know Gay people who are great people. I don't force my views on them. I would NEVER discriminate based on race, religion, sexual preferences, etc. NEVER!
I am totally fine with CIVIL UNION's or other legal contracts that are equal to marriage under the LAW of the land.
But that is not what the Gay activists want.
I would support you if you would shout down those of your fellows who can't see this. But I will never support Gay Marriage.
It is not about me forcing my views on you. It is all about I will not discard my views to be replaced by yours.
First, do no harm. Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you…
Sadly in my state of Massachusetts, this issue was never brought to a vote by the people. We have judges who know way better than voters on so many issues including same sex marriage. It should be an issue decided by voters. If it is on a ballot and voted on fairly, I am sure that whatever the outcome, people would support it.
Same sex "marriage" isn't "legal" in Massachusetts either. The SJC ordered the legislature to pass a law making it legal. That is a direct violation of the separation of powers in the constitution and the legislature did not act within the 60 days in the order making the order void. governor Romney then ordered town clerks to issue marriage licenses without legislative action making it legal. So any future governor could rightly issue a new order voiding such licenses and no longer recognizing these illegal "marriages".
That was bad. Bigotry from gays doesn't seem to help their causes and agenda
Gays can enter all types of contracts. Last time i checked rush buying a football team is a violation of civil rights. No gays speaking up?
Of course, Tom Hanks has issued a Hollywood fatwa against Maine's Mormons and Catholics BUT not Buddhists, Muslims or Rev Wright's United Marxists in Aborting Christ.
America rejects the vast MINORITY militant homosexual pervs. God, Guns, and Guts made America great, not pantywaisted leftist vermin.
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The Anti Liberal Zone
There are actually good examples of what would happen all over the country. All you have to do is look at former "gay ghettos" of most major cities in the U.S.
Gays and Lesbians moved to the run down neighborhoods (that's the only place they could live at the time) fixed them up, made them nice vibrant areas again.
Then the "normal" people decided they wanted the neighborhoods back.
God bless the citizens of Maine! As another wrote, I agree marriage is between God and husband and wife. God doesn’t hate the sinner, but the sin. The sexual acts homosexuals perform on each other are sinful pleasures of evil. I have no hatred for homosexuals, just what they do. I agree everyone has rights in this country, but you also have to consider God’s laws. This country was founded on the moral principles of Christianity. Grant homosexual couples civil contracts, but leave God’s marriage out of it. The people have spoken, it shows that not all have lost their true moral beliefs to the liberal mentality of anything goes. God bless America.
Press 1 for English, press 2 for Spajish; the number is 69.
as a conservative/libertarian, i'm ambivalent about gay marriage. on the one hand, in these troubled times i'm not troubled by the thought of society officially encouraging more committed, stable relationships, be they straight or gay. potential for benefits fraud, etc., is a red herring- the same thing can happen with hetero unions. i'm one of those people who bases his respect of others on whether or not they pull their own weight in this world and are otherwise decent, law abiding people. your race, gender, religion, & sexual proclivities are none of my concern- JUST SO LONG AS YOU DON"T INSIST ON DEMANDING THAT I BE CONCERNED WITH IT- which brings me to my other point:
where i start to have reservations is when i recognize that the GLBT lobby is not, and will never be, content with the benign indifference of their fellow citizens. anything less than a full endorsement, nay, celebration, of their lives & lifestyles is flatly unacceptable. when the GLBTs figure out that most folks don't really give a rat's heinie about gay rights one way or the other, and quit trying to force people to care, i suspect they'll get a lot less blowback.
my $0.02
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No, the reason why some of activists are pushing homosexual marriage is their enduring hatred of anything that calls homosexuality sinful, and in order to demolish that (specifically Judeo-Christianity) they are trying to change the definition of marriage. See, the problem here is a spiritual problem held by less than 1% of the population. Hospital visits and estate rights? Please don't be stupid. You can write your will any way you want to. Hospital visits are the same thing — have a care directive written that specifies who can come to see you. It's not hard and even if this is not the law in your state, conservatives won't fight the right of people to specify who can visit them in the hospital under such an arrangement.
Again, no, the easiest way to gain the "rights" you speak of is to address them individually where they don't already exist. Trying to push taxpayer support for homosexual marriage or any moral equivalent will never fly.
Why make laws for a people-group who do not proecreate? The "gay" culture is quite lucky that they are a protected species, as biblically under OT Law their behaviour is considered a Capital Crime. The NT Section highly condones this type of behaviour as well..to the extent that "gays" will not be allowed into the Kingdom.
They have rights here in America that they did not use to change their Way of Life (religion) and it would be wise to exercise those rights. The Sodomites have simply believed a lie.
This vote is why we need to press our CONgress members about health care. It should be to a vote by the entire nation . But that would mean CONgress giving up what they value the most….CONTROL. We've got to take back OUR country one city and one state at a time…
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You'll like this:
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A "Marriage" is a covenant that is entered into under the eyes of God. Since God has told us that Homosexuality is a sin, there is NO way that God would saction such unions. That being said, in the secular world, anybody has the right to enter into a relationship with whomever they want to. One man-one woman, two men, or two women, as long as it is one on one, I don't care. Gay/Lesbean couples should be entitled to the same secular benefits as heterosexual couples.
I happen to be of the belief that if you are "married" at city hall, it is not a marriage but a civil union. Whether straight or gay, it is not a "Marriage" until it has been sanctioned under the eyes of God.
Also, there sould not be ANY backlash against people who wish to opt out of the Homosexual hugfest! Shoving the Gay lifestyle down our throats and forcing us to accept it will only garner more resistance.
Gecks
Pardon me, consenting adults can enter into legal contracts; such contract occur every day.
you are saying I am a hate-monger because 'yin-yin union between yin and yang' is a fallacy?
Do you not understand that by forcing people to accept irrational concepts you are effectively imposing Statist tyranny; what's next…I am a hate-monger because I do not accept Al Gore's fraudulent Climate Change charge.
PS: Twice I have been PROFILED and twice it occurred when entering Gaydom; you want to talk about oppressive people? Gaydom is so exclusive you won't let anyone even knock your door if you are NOT GAY!
Try being straight in Gaydom where offered is The Men's Room or The Other Room. Not to mention the 'blackfacing' gay men do to ridicule the female!
We have to tolerate your drag queens mocking the female otherwise you will descend upon us the most brutal of attacks.
And you wonder why so many resist!
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I have nothing against Civil Unions if that were all it was. Trouble is that the activists are working on an incrementalists approach. Get an inch, go for another. The constitution limits government involvement in our day to day lives and should stay out of it. The right of privacy to do what one wants in the privacy of their on home. When you bring it to the streets, when you force it into our schools, when you flaunt it in our face and call us the evil ones, that is where I draw the line. For the congress to enact special hate crime laws they create a special class of people. Hate is hate, violence is violence and all forms should be against the law. Making there to be special classes only serves to underscore the differences rather than unite anything. Be who you want to Be, do what you want to do, but dn't tell me that what I feel and believe is wrong because you say it is, I HAVE RIGHTS TOO. Try working with people on a reasonable basis and not force your beliefs down our throats, you will get much farther.
Had they put civil unions up for a vote … it would have passed easily….but insisting that the "hot" word marriage in the bill .. is the kiss of death
God bless the citizens of Maine! As another wrote, I agree marriage is between God and husband and wife. God doesn't hate the sinner, but the sin. I agree everyone has rights in this country, but you also have to consider God's laws. This country was founded on the moral principles of Christianity. Grant homosexual couples civil contracts, but leave God's marriage out of it. The people have spoken, it shows that not all have lost their true moral beliefs to the liberal mentality of anything goes. God bless America.
I think that what many moderates who are supporters of same-sex marriage are forgetting or overlooking is that in our society homosexuals can live together, share property, etc. to their heart’s content. By and large, we leave them alone, however they’ve become more militant with the “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it” chant, and their indoctrination in the schools that “gay is ok.” It’s at this point where they want the holy grail of legal recognition for their perversion of marriage that the majority is standing up and saying “no way!” The only thing troubling is that these races are so close. It should be a slam-dunk rejection of a lifestyle choice that is unnatural and a condition that is still a product of mental illness.
Nice try gay troll. Give it a rest.
Here in Kalifornia we have civil unions, back in the 1970s. And where did that get us?
And speaking of hate-mongering, when Prop 8 was passed here the Mormons as a community was attacked here for their support. Polls showed that a majority of Latino and African-American voters supported the Prop. Why would the MSM, Liberals and Democrats (but I repeat myself, twice) go after a fringe group not in their "tent" but completely ignore two important factions within their "tent"?
Wait, didn't my last question just answer itself?
Look at you. You have become what you have hated. It is one of the reasons for your defeat. You have assumed that people who think gay marriage is wrong are hateful spiteful people. Why can't it be that they just think its wrong and that right and wrong are not relative to ones feelings, passions, dispositions or even genetics when they clearly do not fall in line with an obvious design and purpose..
Look… I’m against Gay Marriage – it’s an oxymoron. I’m 100% FOR civil unions that afford Gay couples all the same rights under the law. This is American – lets level the playing field.
I believe in live and let live. But don’t force your views upon me, my family and my country. Get your aberrant lifestyle out of my face, out of my schools and out of view of my children.
The more you push, the more push-back you will receive.
If the gay community wanted civil unions so badly they would not be working so hard to legalize gay marriage. If the issue were only about "rights" they would in fact be working harder on the civil union front. The fact that they are not belies their true purpose. They desire gay "marriage" not for the "rights" or benefits they believe they will receive but as a symbol of their perceived acceptance. However, as others have suggested here, for many acceptance and "rights" are not what they are after. They seek gay "marriage" in vain attempt to mock God and his law because they know as well as we do that marriage is a sacred and spiritual union.
I don't believe anyone is standing in the way of civil unions except perhaps the government. Again as others have suggested, what interest has the government in offering such benefits to same sex couples? The benefits they extended to married couples was to encourage and aid parents in raising children. The same does not apply to same sex couples as they (alone/naturally) cannot procreate. What reason does the government have to offer tax breaks and legal protections to same sex couples outside of getting them to shut up? none.
There of course is the social aspect. The gay community has not been asking for tolerance or acceptance. They have been demanding it. Being a free country most of us don't take kindly to people making demands of us. It's about respect. You must first show respect if you expect to receive it.
Well said dclawofc
I am tired of being bullied.
Libertarians shouldn't be the legal recognition of ANY marriage, Man, Woman or same sex. Just proves Libertarians are just Pot-Smoking Republicans…passing social-engineering laws is ALSO the expansion of Government Idiots…..the "CORRECT" Libertarian position is that marriage should be recognized by religious institutions and that the government should not be in the business of recognizing any civil union… Any other position than that from the LIbertarian side shows they are just…Libs…
The Strategic way to deal with this is to "Re-Enforce Religious Rights into law and make Dems have public votes in Congress on things like "Religious Identity", "Conscience Clauses" "Rights of Religious People at Work" "Rights of Religious People who own property" etc. Make the Dems "VOTE A VERY PUBLIC NO" on someone's religious rights and these clowns will be kicked out of office. It will also expose the agenda of the social left as facist religion hating zealots…lay it bare for everyone to see.
The Strategic way to deal with the "Inevitability of Gay Marriage" is to go on the offensive in "Re-Enforce Religious Rights into law and make Dems have public votes in Congress on things like "Religious Identity", "Conscience Clauses" "Rights of Religious People at Work" "Rights of Religious People who own property" etc. Make the Dems "VOTE A VERY PUBLIC NO" on someone's religious rights and these clowns will be kicked out of office. It will also expose the agenda of the social left as facist religion hating zealots…lay it bare for everyone to see.
Most people would refer to me as a right wing, very conservative, very religous man. But I agree with David Montgomery (earlier post). Let the gays have their civil unions. ALL the gay people I know are nice, respectful and law abidding. They are cops, mailpersons, business people etc.
Give us marriage. Let them have their civil unions. All the talk and anger will not change their behavior.
Only God can change a persons heart
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Maybe if the churches stood for what they claim to believe I'd be happy for you, but all I see is one group of hyporcites twisting the Bible around and lording it over another group who just wants to live their lives the way they want.
sigh, too bad Christians don't act more Christlike, this has nothing to do with God's will or how He wants us to treat our neighbor, it is just imposing one group's ideas of morality. If that doesn't bother you then maybe you'd be happy if the Catholics banned birth control as well?
But at least you all admit you are forcing your religious ideas on others so you can bet the more you cry it's about religion the more likely the courts will overturn these laws,
Our country was founded on The Word of God, whether you or I like the idea or not. It is primarily a history book and shows several examples of normal and abnormal lifestyles. Blessings are available as well as cursings and punishments. The bible teaches us to Judge Ourself! It therefore has become the limit to our rights that we have. Hollywood type of philsoophy, where anything goes puts God into a 2nd place position and He does get jealous over this and will take action now or later. Two things that the Creator God can not do: Lie or Break His Promises.
Despite this vote, the trend towards legal gay marriage in the US continues, which of course infuriates the religious crazies, and bigots to no end.
Face reality folks – denial of gay marriage rights makes you NO DIFFERENT than that racist judge in Louisiana who refused to marry interracial couples. NO DIFFERENT.
Gay marriage is coming!. Run and hide!
I'm against gay marriage and most conservatives are but the first three or four posts were posted from homophobic trolls so don't mistake them for me )=
You do know that Bill Maher claims to be a Libertarian and he is so far left in his views he might as well be sitting in the Kremlin.
This would be a non-issue if the gov't would stop recognizing (and taxing!) marriages altogether. If 2 people love each other and they want to get married, why should anyone care if it's hetero or not? It's no one elses business whatsoever.
I'm an agnostic and I believe that almost all aspects of what people refer to when they make the sound "God" are almost certainly fables.
BUT I believe that innate, environmentally independant, practically Calvinistic, exclusive homosexuality is pure bullshit. Bullshit! Sex is complicated enough that kids don't need to grow up wondering whether they might one day "discover" that they're gay. Also, the innate revulsion that most people feel at the site of two men romantically involved is something that a few libtard assholes shouldn't be allowed by the majority to legislate away. Also, the biologically natural closeness that male close friends are able to have for each other, where they can go for walks together and the like, shouldn't be allowed to be shamed out of existence lest people suspect repulsive "sexual" interests between them. Etc, etc.
All in all the gay "rights" movement is a movement of rare and repulsive oddities flung into the national consciousness by people who want to claim that they're better than you because you're a "bigot" – for being normal.
As an aside, I supported Obama in the campaign and am as fiscally liberal as anyone who isn't a socialist can be. The left of today isn't Orwell's or Debs' left, it's ivory tower "beautiful people" Left who aren't fighting for you to get a living wage or a shorter work week but for all sorts of BS issues that give them a righteous glow as Superior Beings.
To be honest I think social issues should be a state/local issue instead of the federal government issue
I'm just sick and tired of the social liberals and the radical social conservatives
I'm a moderate social conservative
Marriage should become a private valid institution that can be added to a civil union with the requirement that it must be between one man and one woman
Civil unions for heterosexuals and homosexuals nationwide
Repeal D.O.M.A. , DADT and Roe vs Wade
I'm also against Affirmative Action and would like to see it banned ( that may sound radical but Affirmative Action is race , gender , sexual orientation conscious and I see it as a discriminatory law )
Also please don't think that Christian homeschoolers or private Christian schools teach Creationism
Most teach Evolution and I agree with teaching it
I just don't believe in Evolution
One of the main reasons many Christians homeschool is not the Creation vs Evolution debate but because of the attitudes at school like sex , cussing and whatever
And not all Christians wear chatisty belts or bracelets
Most of us are waiting until marriage and many are virgins ( or few sexual partners ) but we dress in a decent way =)
Not too frigid but certainly not too immoral and showoff
I'm pro life and even though some pro choicers are nice people deep down I can never support a candidate that supports abortion … especially if it is federal
Make social issues a state/local issue
That may bridge some understanding and gaps in the communities
Have a nice day everyone =)
Same sex "marriage" is just a smoke-screen to destroy the foundation of Western civilization. The homosexual agenda isn't to make sure that they can marry, it's to destroy the very idea of marriage. They want to make sure that our culture doesn't honor and respect a sacred marriage between a man and a woman.
And Kevin Jennings can tell you all about how the gay agenda includes preying on children in schools. I'm sure there are lots of decent and nice homosexuals. But there are lots of decent and nice Muslims, too. The ones that I'm worried about are the ones who are attacking our culture and trying to destroy it.
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Just for a goof I decided to see how CNN was spinning these elections last night. At the time I tuned in Anderson Cooper, who has a vested interest in this subject, was talking about the Maine Gay Marriage voting. At the time it appeared as if the pro-gay agenda was winning and Cooper was giddy. A few hours later when it was obvious that the tide had turned and the anti-gay marriage folks were winning Cooper had a very sad expression on his face.
The most interesting aspect was when Cooper turned the commentary over to some Democrat spokestool. Get this the Dem actually said and I paraphrase “This is what happens when you let religion and politics mix!” in an angry vote he then went on to say “that’s why this type of legislation needs to be kept out of the public’s hands, this kind of thing should only be decided by an educated judiciary!”
Well, after picking my jaw up off the floor I was thinking how these Dems are showing their true colors now and aren’t even trying to hide their biases.
CNN is hilarious sometimes!
Oh darn, that should be “in an angry voice, not vote” Freudian slip I guess!
In response to one of the comments above. Gay men (and women) CAN REPRODUCE. Just not with each other. Many gay men and women have children created the old fashioned way— (I’m sure you don’t need details) before they “discovered” they were gay. From which fact we can logically deduce that men and women who identify themselves as “gay” a) are capable, but not presently willing, to have sexual intercourse with members of the opposite sex and b) are very often capable of reproducing. Both of which facts indicate to a rational observer that the phenomenon of homosexuality is considerably more complex than “gay advocates” would have us believe.
This mirrors my feelings almost exactly, with only the following caveat:
Those "pride" parades have GOT TO GO…
They do not help your cause at all; in fact, they reinforce every possible negative aspect and stereotype people have of GLBT lifestyles…and adds ammunition and resistance…
I am nervous about the "Marriage" tag so coveted by the GLBT lobby. If the source of pride is being so different, why pursue that mundane issue? Or is there more to this then what is being asked?
No, they have lost, but it's only for the moment. It's cost millions on both sides, and every year the numbers get closer, meaning that eventually they won't lose any more. People on the Right can pretend this isn't the case, but the facts don't lie. Look at the numbers for gay marriage and it's incontrovertible that they are narrowing, both nationally and locally. It was barely defeated in California last year, and defeated in a fairly close measure this time in Maine. If we play the game of letting them try endlessly until they finally succeed, we've accomplished nothing (and wasted a staggering amount of resources). Perhaps it's finally time to deal with the issue and try to find a solution everyone can agree with, then find a way to lock the vote (at least for a few decades).
Wow, I find it stunning that a bigoted post like this can earn a high rating. It's just sad.
I haven't heard someone call people "homos" since 8th grade. Your parents must be so proud.
[...] In Maine there was a very important vote last night that would repeal the gay marriage law. I for one am excited to report that the people choose to repeal that horrific law that undermines what marriage is “between one man and one women only”! For the traditional values this is a very big win because in the New England states gay marriage was a popular subject. So I have one last thing I would like to say to the gay population out there, wake up repent for your sins and get involved in traditional values! Filed Under: political, religious. [...]
Troll alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I said before:
Why is it SO important to participate in the mundane hetero behavior of "marriage"? What kind of "gay pride" is that?
There's more to this than "marriage", isn't there?
If you can establish rights of ownership, of benefit assignment, of rights of every other type through legal means, wouldn't the conventionality of "marriage" be an anathema to a group SO against the perceived mainstream?
Or is this really about destroying a concept you despise?
Cowboy, thank you very muchoe. I really needed a laugh…and I saved it to share with others.
Rivolia & company needs to run for office. (sp?)
Ha Ha!!! The perverts lose yet again in another state!!
Given Obama's stance on gay marriage, this has to count as a big win for him. So there's that.
I'm shocked at the comments that homosexuality is a sin or immoral as it isn't a frivolous lifestyle choice by the vast majority of gays but hardwired into the brain, modern psychiatry understands it as such. It's just as hardwired as left/right handedness. I'm also of the mind that there is no deviant sexual behavior between consenting adults, so where is the immorality? The sexual preferences of others and what they do in the privacy of their home is none of my business.
If you want to single out immorality I'll pick abortion as a birth control method as the ultimate in immorality.
That said, the issue of gay "marriage" isn't frivolous and gays need to respect that. The huge cultural sea change in redefining the term marriage away from the traditional man/woman/child nuclear family is rightfully resented.
[...] Maine Agrees With Obama: No Same Sex Marriage [...]
"That said, the issue of gay "marriage" isn't frivolous and gays need to respect that. The huge cultural sea change in redefining the term marriage away from the traditional man/woman/child nuclear family is rightfully resented."
Yeah, because straight people respect marriage SOOOO much. Hence the 50% divorce rate, and spousal abuse, and child abuse, and …
Gay marriage is coming. Get used to it. It is an inevitability.
Wow. All these “slippery slope” arguments are giving me a headache.
No opponent of gay marriage has ever sufficiently explained to me how it hurts them, in any way whatsoever, if the lesbian couple down the block from me is issued a marriage license.
“Civil Unions” is just the same kind of “separate but equal” rhetoric we saw regarding 1960s segregation of blacks. To get a private contract or civil union established which grants anything close to the same rights and privileges as what married couples enjoy, a gay couple must spend thousands of dollars and months of effort in order to establish all the needed legal documentation, and even then all they get is an imperfect similacrum.
Meanwhile, a twice-before-married single mom can road-trip to Vegas and be married within an hour to a man she just met for $50.
How is that fair?
Our children is another part of hope for the future. The "gay" lifestyles do not provide any hope for our future.
Oh that's right, they have a privlege of a 3-some to procreate. Obama's school czar thinks that would be OK.Pride comes before the Fall and really all I have to do is Watch, Wait & See.
Darogr, it's the leftwing gayhadists that are standing in the way of civil unions. To them it's not good enough, they need to redefine marriage altogether. 99% of the global population is heterosexual, the intolerant militant homosexuals need to realize we're not going to change the bedrock of society for a few sniveling whining retrogrades. I empathize with your revulsion with of some of the comments; I have similar sentiments when I read anti-Semitic rhetoric. But I think we both realize the left is far worse than right could ever be, which is why we're Conservatives/Republicans.
I suspect the vast majority on the Right would support civil unions; I personally do.
Look at all of these people )=
We have the homophobes and then we have Tara , Des and Gay Marriage )=
Please make social issues a state/local issue
Btw if you didn’t hear the moderate social conservatives we said that marriage should be a PRIVATE institution and be required to be between one man and one woman
Gay marriage is not coming …
It is evitable
Marriage in every single society , societies which hated , were indifferent or loved homosexuals was between one man and one woman
Marriage includes love but it is not it’s main purpose or reason
The effects of gay marriage will not be seen in just the now but in future generations … it may not ‘affect’ you but it affects others and the future generations
Here is to end the truce
- Make social issues a state/local issue
- Repeal D.O.M.A. , DADT and Roe vs Wade
- Civil unions for EVERYBODY ( homosexuals AND heterosexuals alike ) and marriage something that can be added to the civil union if one wants to ( but it must be between a man and a woman )
Civil unions the public policy
Marriage the second option , something private and only between one man and one woman
Stop using big government
No more federal government on this
They created the no fault divorce sham and now it’s leading to this )=
We have promiscuity , porn addicts , cussing , taking the Lord’s name in vain , single mothers , out of wedlock , pre marital sex gone wild , adultery , the Babby daddies and so much more on one side
Then we have the rabid social conservatives as a reaction to them
The lunatics whom don’t seem to have one liberal bone in them
Make marriage a private institution
Civil unions federal
Stop the madness )=
Our problem in "the game" is we keep letting them frame the narrative. They say it is about fairness and equality, and opposition gets labeled as from intolerant religious fundamentalists. We are allowing their "fairness and equality" indoctrination to go forward, spreading among our children and upwards to sympathetic (read gullible) adults.
They claim their "struggle" is exactly the same as that for civil rights for racial minorities, even that it is still the same fight and this is merely a continuation of the war against bigotry. How do we directly counter such outlandish claims? Well, um, we tend not to, and fall back on religion.
There are many examples like that. We cite religion, which they then twist to make us look like intolerant fools, instead of countering them head on. You can exaggerate and use humor, long as we are not using religion as that is what they want.
"This is about Civil Rights!"
"So you're saying 70% of the African-American voters in California want to be enslaved?"
"Everyone should be allowed to marry whomever they love!"
"Ah, so you support incest. Good to know."
They want us to speak religion, we comply, we lose. So, we stop playing their game. We provide other reasons against it, keep the pressure on. We stop their indoctrination and deception.
Look at the numbers. This is our war to lose.
Can't take the Swine Flu shot either?
That's right ! He's a Muslim! Thanks for reminding us!
God forbid he should think for himself~ its ok the Kool Aid is gone~
[...] Election Headline of the Day Posted on November 4, 2009 by Denis E. Ambrose, Jr. Heh: “Maine Voters Agree with Obama on Gay ‘Marriage’”. [...]
Isn't voting on such issues great?? The people obviously don't want the institute of marriage to be degraded or perverted by a minority that thinks the rest of us should concede to their way of life. Do what you want at home but don't force me or my children to believe that it is okay or that it is the same as a man and a woman getting married because it's not! No wonder the younger generations are so confused about thier identity when Dad is dating or wants to marry another man…give me a break!!!!
"Isn't voting on such issues great?? The people obviously don't want the institute of marriage to be degraded or perverted by a minority that thinks the rest of us should concede to their way of life."
Funny. The exact same things were said about interracial marriage back in the "good ol days". People like you are relics of the past. Thankfully, the younger generation doesn't hold your bigoted views. We just have to wait until more people like you die.
At least when I die I won't have to go before my God and try and convince him that "Gay is OK" when he clearly says differently..or are you going to call him a bigot too??
Your "God" is your own business. If you choose to worship a bigot, then you'll get exactly what you deserve. Live by the word of "God", die by it. But don't you DARE force your "God"'s perverted and bigoted views upon me.
The plain fact of the matter is that civil unions are inferior to marriage in nearly every way. Many states actually forbid civil unions as part of their constitution. I should know – my state, Wisconsin is one of them.
Your statement is fantasy. Civil Unions do not equal marriage. Read this for more:
http://www.now.org/issues/marriage/marriage_union...
07
2009
Obama’s Department of Homeland Security to illegal aliens: Hey, y’all are welcome here!
Posted by Dan in Obama
Here’s more proof that Obama wants to legitimize illegal aliens. Obama’s Department of Homeland Security stripped Sheriff Joe Arpaio of his department’s authority to arrest suspected illegal immigrants based solely on their immigration status. Huh?
What else is there? Do we wait until they murder, rape, or rob a store and then arrest them?
Arpaio said he will be able to still conduct the crime sweeps under state human smuggling laws and an obscure federal law that allows local police to arrest illegal immigrants.
“Now I’m not under their control,” Arpaio said. “Nothing changes; that’s the irony of all of this.”
Kick ass Sheriff Joe.
With that, I bring you John Wayne.
Ya mean I dont get two see two ugly women kiss, or two dudes make out on the news tonight? guess Ill just have to watch my local daytime soap opera. damn right im homophobic i dont want to catch aids.
hes a christian muslim, hes that transcendent. Obama dosent know what the hell he is, he is what the teleprompter tells him he is.
"Get used to it. It is an inevitability"
That's what you leftist totalitarians would love everyone to think. Nothing is inevitable, pal. You neglect to realize Americans don't like being told what to do, especially by a shrill, mincing minority. You have the right to be tolerated- which the gay community undoubtedly is. You do not have the right to have your lifestyle celebrated in all quarters of society. Get used to it.
Otherwise, get used to being disappointed time and time again.
By Steve Foley – Posted on October 2nd, 2009
With the revelations that President Obama's choice for Safe Schools Czar, Kevin Jennings, failed to inform anyone about a charge of pedophilia by an under-aged student along with his history of promoting homosexuality in schools, his demonstrated contempt for religion and past drug use, many people and pundits are asking — "Where is the Vetting"? With Richardson, Daschle, Geitner and Jones all having issues that were easily search-able using this revolutionary top-secrete technology called Google… I have a different take, I think these people were vetted and they are exactly the folks that Obama and his team wanted in these positions!
Any talk of vetting mistakes or mistakenly overlooking potions of their life and history is completely bunk and should call attention to a total breakdown and fundamental incompetency of this administration.
Which brings us to Kevin Jennings, Obama's choice for Safe Schools Czar, with his checkered past and connection too and admiration for a constant defender of the North American Association for Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), Harry Hay
Quote:
Hay had strong opinions and never pandered to popular opinion when he voiced them — whether he was attacking national gay organizations for what he saw as their increasingly conservative political positions ("The assimilationist movement is running us into the ground," he told the San Francisco Chronicle in July 2000) or when he condemned the national gay press — in particular, the Advocate — for its emphasis on consumerism. He was, at times, a serious political embarrassment, as when he consistently advocated the inclusion of the North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) in gay-pride parades.
Mark Tapscott repoted in the Washington Examiner today:
Quote:
…Lori Roman of Regular Folks United points to statements by Jennings a decade or more ago when he praised Harry Hay of the North American Association for Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA), which promotes the legalization of sexual abuse of young boys by older men.
Roman provides damning details and links here. She also notes that Jennings wrote the forward "to a book called Queering Elementary Education. And another fellow you may have heard of wrote one of the endorsements on the book jacket—Bill Ayers." Ayers, of course, is the Weather Underground bomber from the 1960s who is just an "acquaintance" of Obama.
-Snip-
UPDATE: Who was Harry Hay?
Folks at Media Matters are agitated by the above post and others pointing out Jennings' praise of Harry Hay and the latter's link to NAMBLA. Hay was not an employee or official of NAMBLA, but was during his later years, according to his entry on Wikipedia, a frequent defender of the group, including this 1983 statement: "[i]f the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world."
MM has a point – Jennings praise of Hay was not specifically in the context of the latter's support of NAMBLA. Readers will decide for themselves whether it is appropriate for an individual who publicly praised an advocate of pedophilia to be appointed Assistant Deputy Secretary of Education for Safe and Drug-Free Schools.
Roman’s link on Harry Hay and NAMBLA:
Quote:
“One of the people that’s always inspired me is Harry Hay, who started the first ongoing gay rights groups in America. In 1948, he tried to get people to join the Mattachine Society [the first American homosexual “rights” group]. It took him two years to find one other person who would join. Well, [in] 1993, Harry Hay marched with a million people in Washington, who thought he had a good idea 40 years before. Everybody thought Harry Hay was crazy in 1948, and they knew something about him which he apparently did not—they were right, he was crazy. You are all crazy. We are all crazy. All of us who are thinking this way are crazy, because you know what? Sane people keep the world the same [sh*tty] old way it is now. It’s the people who think, ‘No, I can envision a day when straight people say, ‘So what if you’re promoting homosexuality?’ Or straight kids say, ‘Hey, why don’t you and your boyfriend come over before you go to the prom and try on your tuxes on at my house?’ That if we believe that can happen, we can make it happen. The only thing that will stop us is our lack of faith that we can make it happen. That is our mission from this day forward. To not lose our faith, to not lose our belief that the world can, indeed, be a different place. And think how much can change in one lifetime if in Harry Hay’s one very short life, he saw change from not even one person willing to join him to a million people willing to travel to Washington to join him. You can see the same changed happen in your lifetime if you believe you can.”
Barack Obama said, during the primary, "judge me by the people I surround myself with" Well you be the judge…
Chill out "Perez"!! Shoes on the other foot now isn't it? You can do what you want in your own house but don't try and force YOUR way of life on those of us who want nothing to do with it either. Face the fact that when put to a popular vote, people still want marriage to be between a man and a woman. I won't have force anything on you my friend, God will take care of that personally!
Quoting Gay_Marriage “Live by the word of “God”, die by it. But don’t you DARE force your God’s perverted and bigoted views upon me.”
Don’t YOU DARE force your perverted views upon US! What you do in the privacy of your bedroom is your business. When you try to force society to recognize what you do as legitimate then it becomes our business.
This isn’t about civil unions, if it were then there would have been no need for this vote as Maine already has civil unions legislation on the books. This is about the gay agenda and you know it.
I’m ok with civil unions, I’m not ok with recognizing a marriage between two same sex partners as legitimate. I’m tired of that old meme about what a failure heterosexual marriage is because there’s a high divorce rate. Have you seen the statistics for gay partnerships, they are just as bad as straight. That’s a failed argument for legalizing gay marriage.
with exception to Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Connecticut, and Iowa.
"Otherwise, get used to being disappointed time and time again"
Washington State just approved Ref 71. I'm not at all disappointed about that.
"You have the right to be tolerated- which the gay community undoubtedly is"
Gay people are human beings. Or have you forgotten that? Human beings have rights. The right to be happy and marry the person of choice *is* a human right. Take your false "tolerance" and shove it.
"You do not have the right to have your lifestyle celebrated in all quarters of society"
Not asking you to celebrate the gay lifestyle. Merely asking for the same rights married couples enjoy. Keep spouting hate though. Nothing turns off the younger generation than your bigoted speech and actions. The younger generation supports gay marriage.
Time is on our side. Get used to it.
"This isn't about civil unions, if it were then there would have been no need for this vote as Maine already has civil unions legislation on the books."
Civil unions do not equal marriage. Check this out:
http://www.now.org/issues/marriage/marriage_union...
"Have you seen the statistics for gay partnerships, they are just as bad as straight. That's a failed argument for legalizing gay marriage."
Horrible logic. My argument was that many people feel the sanctity of marriage is threatened by gay marriages far more than the 50% divorce rate. If marriage is so "precious", then why is divorce tolerated and even encouraged? No, the arguments against gay marriage come down to one thing only: BIGOTRY.
"Don't YOU DARE force your perverted views upon US! "
What's the matter? See two men kissing on tv? Saw two girls holding hands? Oh poor baby. Grow up.
[...] there was one win last night that Mr. Obama can take solace in. Filed under: Bobos In Paradise, The Future and its [...]
Can't the TV people find a HOT lesbian couple? It's like they called Central Casting, and out of Babe, Librarian and Truck Driver they almost always choose Librarian!
i think TheRightSide's comment may have gone over your head…
Nothing turns off the majority of the voting populace than YOUR bigoted speech and actions.
Right on. The "We're just like everybody else" is a tough sell when a highly visible minority of your group is still doing the in-your-face, and often downright disgusting, public displays of affectation.
Much like the majority of peaceful Muslims, the GLBTs need to start telling their more radical, not to mention childish, elements to knock that sh!t off, it's not helpful.
You make me ill.
first- "Democrat spokestool" i love it.
second-if you keep an eye/ear on them, they occasionally accidentally let slip what they really think. and then that's when the predictable spin cycle starts about how that's not really what they meant, etc….
The people in this Society already has a say on What sex acts are allowed!
You can't have SEX with animals because they don't have a say in that matter! It's not like they can Scream NO! or Cry RAPE!!! ..I'm sure the animal rights will fight for them so You don't have to WORRY about that!
The Mormons already stop having more that one WIVES or HUSBANDS! & there is a Law prohibiting that! So you don't have to worry about that either!!!… Read More
So!,,,All you have to be worried is what you have stated on you last mail!!!
"Two men having sex- please tell me what is the purpose, other than it is something that they want to do." LOL!
Shoes on the other foot now huh? Whether you like it or not most people ( as shown by popular vote ) want marriage to remain between a man and a woman. If you really knew anything about the word of God then this wouldn't even be a discussion. Do what you want at home but don't drag it into our lives through TV, schools and sad to day even some churches.
Gay-Marriage you are a wonderful example of why we keep voting against your agenda. Your hate towards who do not think as you do is plain for all to see. You see bigots behind every corner. Paranoia will destroy ya. As to my horrible logic I stand by what I said. Gays use the whole divorce rate meme all the time to justify their agenda. I’m not even going to get into the whole litany of religious reasons why gay marriage is a bad idea as they are there for all to see. I will however get into all the reasons why gay marriage is bad for society as it promotes a deviant lifestyle as being mainstream. What’s next marriage between a goat and a man, between two goats, between a sister and a brother? It’s not a normal choice of a lifestyle and you cannot make it so by marriage.
The word "MARRIAGE" especially applied to same sex couples sounds too scary for most people, They just can't handle it!…WHY use that word? OMG! That is so 2008! What happened to being creative like GOD made you to be!
LIKE taking over the word GAY instead of Homosexual or RAINBOW instead of pink triangle! Ah!! HeLLo!
Ah! You Forgot He's *Ahem* GAY!!!!!!!
It's not about majority rules, sweetie. It's about human rights. Remember, civil rights for blacks had to be decided by "activist" judges in the 60's. It sure wasn't popular.
Your lack of decency and basic humanity does you no good. Stop hating.
Naw, that's not me. It's just your conscience.
Who are you to define "normal'? Perhaps an abusive co-dependent straight marriage is "normal" to you. Perhaps not. Certainly it is legal. How about the arranged marriages of child brides in India? That's "normal" there, even though many of those marriages are consecrated via rape. Your view of "normal" is relative to your bigotry and religion. That's your own personal illness, not mine.
"You see bigots behind every corner"
No. I just see people like you. Who happen to be bigots in denial.
These replies make me think of three things.
1. Gay "activists" should stop pushing for marriage.
2. Right wingers should stop blocking civil unions.
3. The Right may very well be as pathetic as the Left. I wonder if you are going to follow a young, goodlooking leader when he comes along (and he will) just like the crazy lefties have followed Obama? I wonder if the Kool-Aid comes in different flavors.
Do you have any proof that "right wingers" are blocking civil unions? IMO it's a cop out. The LGBT hasn't been pushing for civil unions and so they do not have them. They use the excuse that conservatives and the religious right are blocking the civil unions so they can justify their all or nothing fight for same sex marriage. They want the public to believe they have exhausted all their options and the ONLY way for them to "equal rights" as married couples is to also be married.
Like I said. It's never really been about equal "rights" and benefits. They just want the government to force society to say their unions are acceptable. They want to force society to say it's ok and that it's moral. Society doesn't take kindly to being told what they should believe or say and they will resist with all they have in them if they don't agree.
If you want ot be gay or act gay do it in the privatcy of your own home! don't expect me to watch or to have your back as if its ok to be a pervert! I hear there are some island for sale in the carribean maybe you can go there and be the first gay country! don't try to indoctrinate my kids into your life style. It wrong as far i am concerned and you can keep it. if you don't like it leave see how many other countries will even allow you to be stupid in your own home. You can't do that if your Muslim, or ortadox anything! get real! do it at home or just do it. If you wnat to indoctrinate my kids to your pervertion go to hell. Wake up America! These people will destroy our great country. They're trying as we speak! Wake up america! Read the Bible- God may love the sinner but he hates the sin. Lying to God doesn't get into heaven! if you confess your sin and say you'll stop you had better, his patience is big but how big? I don't know! why tempt him!
Exactly. But just because we tolerate something does not mean we like it. We tolerate headaches, we tolerate crying babies in the restaurant and the occasional cell phone ring in the movie theater but it doesn't mean we want these things to happen. Most of these things people try to avoid but what doesn't set well is when those same people believe it's their right so you should just live with it. Nope. Not gonna happen.
"Read the Bible"
OK. [Opens to Deuteronomy 22:28-29]:
'If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.'
Excuse me?
'If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.'
Oh. So if you're raped you die. Fantastic. Nice God.
Let's read more Deuteronomy 17:12:
'Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel.'
Nice. Um what happened to thou shalt not kill.
Anyone stupid enough to believe this drek is the word of God deserves these punishments.
If you really think it's "coming" you haven't been in a middle school or high school lately. The kids use "gay" as an insult. They aren't buying it.
The whole point of homosexual "marriage" is to destroy marriage itself. The Advocate said it outright in the mid 90s.
Everyone recognizes this for what it is: a trojan horse. And we don't want it!
We are the citizens of the US and we define normal regardless what you think of it. We don't want anything to do with supporting your deviant sexual activity.
Please, by all means, continue to screech your diatribe, preferably through bullhorns. The more you screech the more people resist you.
According to the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights:
Article 21.
* (1) Everyone has the right to take part in the government of his country, directly or through freely chosen representatives.
* (2) Everyone has the right of equal access to public service in his country.
* (3) The will of the people shall be the basis of the authority of government; this will shall be expressed in periodic and genuine elections which shall be by universal and equal suffrage and shall be held by secret vote or by equivalent free voting procedures.
Also in this same declaration is
Article 16.
* (1) Men and women of full age, without any limitation due to race, nationality or religion, have the right to marry and to found a family. They are entitled to equal rights as to marriage, during marriage and at its dissolution.
* (2) Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses.
* (3) The family is the natural and fundamental group unit of society and is entitled to protection by society and the State.
Got that? The family is the NATURAL and FUNDAMENTAL group unit of society and is entitled to PROTECTION BY SOCIETY and the state.
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
You don't have to like "my" God any more than I have to agree with your version of what "human rights" is. As it is even the liberal U.N. supports the "nuclear" family as you put it and believes it's the right of the society and it's government to protect the family unit as it is the foundation of a thriving society.
Like, um the people who affirmed Ref 71 in Washington State yesterday? Full Same-sex partners' rights? The fact that only 21% of the state of Washington favor "No Legal Status" for gay partners?
Your kind are dying, Marie. You just can't see it yet. The tide has turned against bigots like you, Fred Phelps, and a host of other crazies.
It's not scary, it's insulting. Marriage has been this way since before the first recognizable government was created. Now we have a group that believe they are somehow special and that all of society should change it's stripes just for them. Not only that but they expect society to do it with a smile on their face. Not very realistic expectations in my opinion. You might find it easier to convince an ostrich to fly.
Marriage is a Christian Institution, always has been, ever since the Babylonians, a thousand years before Christ.
If it were not, Atheists would be allowed to marry. Jewish, Muslim and even Hindu and Buddhist marriages would be recognised. Why, you wouldn't even have to go to a Church – you could get married by a registrar, or even conceivably by a Judge in his office! What kind of Bizarro world would that be? Why, they might even have legalised divorce, something condemned far more widely in the Bible than Homosexuality.
There might even be government benefits to be had by "married people", even non-Christians, that wouldn't be available to unmarried ones.
"So what human rights are you referring to that say "people" are entitled to marry people of the same sex provided it doesn't threaten the universally accepted family unit?"
Very simple. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The declaration of independence speaks for itself doesn't it? Come to think of it, Article 3 in your UN source also says that too. Or did you only selectively copy-pasta from un.org?
Gay marriage is no threat to anyone's existing marriage (or divorce). My marriage certainly hasn't suffered since Iowa legalized same-sex marriage. Has yours?
I suppose also "Equality Under the Law" would apply here as well. Article 7 in the UN Declaration of Human Rights in case you wish for a source.
And hey, how about Article 12: "No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honour and reputation. Everyone has the right to the protection of the law against such interference or attacks."
Arbitrary interference with his FAMILY. Doesn't that implicitly include his spouse regardless of gender? Hmmmmmm.
"Got that? The family is the NATURAL and FUNDAMENTAL group unit of society and is entitled to PROTECTION BY SOCIETY and the state."
So it would seem that family, regardless of makeup is entitled to PROTECTION by SOCIETY and STATE.
Wow. Seems like your source provides all the support for gay family and marriage.
Plus it's just the right thing to do.
How does a win in Washington state but a loss in Maine equate to "your kind" dying? How does that equate to a turning tide?
While her tone is disrespectful she is technically correct. The social majority determines what is or isn't acceptable. The more the LGBT community tries to override the will of the people the more resistance you will find. Just ask the congress. Every time they attempt to circumvent the will of the people they find their poll numbers dropping as more people become aware.
OK let's talk Bible.
Read Corinthians 6:9
"Do you know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexual immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitute NOR HOMOSEXUAL OFFENDERS"
Also Corinthians 7:2
" But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband"
Guess you lose again!!
I'm gay, I'm Christian, I'm a teacer. I've been in a loving relationship for 7 years. You said that I have weakened our Country. Could you please expand on that? I'd love to know how I have done that. Tell me how going to church, teaching, working for charities has hurt America. imthkn, you make me very sad and very confused.
I see Your point! It's just too soon!.. But sooner or later in the next Decade The U.S.A. Will be following the Lead of Majority of European Countries! The Majority of the next Generation is not going to feel the same as You.
Countries That Recognize Gay Marriage
Netherlands – the first country to grant gay marriage on April 1, 2001.
Belgium – the second country to grant gay marriage on Jan 30, 2003.
Canada – the third country to grant gay marriage on June 28, 2005
Spain – the fourth country to grant gay marriage on July 3, 2005.
South Africa – the fifth country to grant gay marriage on Nov 30, 2006.
Norway – the sixth country to grant gay marriage on May 11, 2008.
Sweden – the seventh country to grant gay marriage on May 1, 2009.
GAY LOVE ACCEPTED – 1 Samuel 18:1-3
And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house. Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul. LOL! LOL!
GAY LOVE ACCEPTED – 1 Samuel 18:1-3
And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking unto Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit with the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as his own soul. And Saul took him that day, and would let him go no more home to his father's house. Then Jonathan and David made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.
ZoeBrain,
Try Genesis, "In the beginning God…" The "God invented Marriage" part is in there ma'am. Way before those pagan Babylonians learned about it from enslaved Hebrews. True Christian's read both the Old and New Testaments.
Besides when has Government NOT stolen a good idea and tried to remake it as if they invented it.
And if you read the fine print, it is called "the marriage penalty" because those people would actually pay LESS taxes if they were not married.
But please don't let the facts get in the way of your liberal, christian-bashing, oh look how enlightened I am, Oh I am so much a better person than you are rant.
Have a nice day!
Why does one groups belief system get pushed on a minorities belief system? How is this fair exactly? If states could vote on slavery back in the days they would still have slavery. This shouldn’t even be up for vote. : / Anyone with an average intelligence knows what down was totally wrong. :/
It’s like saying since eating meat on Fridays is a sin during Lent the entire population shouldn’t be allowed to eat meat on Fridays. Don’t we have stuff in our constitution granting us freedom of and from religion?
An interesting story no doubt but it hardly constitutes the acceptance of "gay love". Saul pursued David relentlessly despite knowing he was most likely not a match for David. Also, this story does not indicate that God was accepting of the behavior or he wouldn't have caused Saul to pursue David as he did. Despite the pleasures David and Jonathan experienced with each other, how then, if it was accepted, did David take a wife? Believe what you want but this scripture hardly offers and semblance of acceptance by God save the fact that God himself did not strike them down himself.
oooh! Pick and choose a Bible Verse! Can I play too?
"And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death" – Exodus 21:27
Screw you Dad! Hey, what's with the shotgun hey!!! Urgrhsghgggrgrgh!!! *thud*
"And if a woman have an issue, and her issue in her flesh be blood, she shall be put apart seven days: and whosoever toucheth her shall be unclean until the even." – Leviticus 15:19
That's why we isolate our women-folk in menstrual huts for a fornight. Whaddya mean we don't?
"A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones; their blood shall be upon them." – Again Leviticus
Are we serious? Frakking *wizards* with *familiars*? Are people really this stupid?
My point is simple. If you accept Corinthians 6:9 as the word of God, you cannot disregard Leviticus and Deut and Exodus. It's an "All-or-nothing" deal. So why do we choose to persecute gays according to the bible yet ignore the command to isolate menstruating women? Why aren't we killed for cursing our fathers?
Answer: Because the Bible was written by MEN not God. Men with serious frakking issues.
The numbers of people opposing gay marriage is on a steady decline. Washington State is proof of that. The razor-thin margin of rejection in California and Maine is proof of that. Check simple statistical analysis. Time is on our side.
http://www.pollster.com/blogs/gay_marriage_suppor...
As long as america remains a regressive society (which it is) this will continue. I don’t know how America can fix itself. Maybe teach civics in school again? Everytime I visit I wonder how over half of a populace can lose common human decency. I also wonder how Americans can keep ignoring the problems that blight their society. Are you just used to it?
I can’t believe the rabid social liberals are still here )=
Stop the madness )=
Marriage is not a civil right
It is not a human right
And about Europe ? Did you know that at least 20 to 40 % of Europeans are opposed to gay marriage ? The problem ? The government doesn’t listen
Also the stigma of being opposed
Being called a homophobe especially
They call you a hater
They have things like hate crimes ( what was recently signed by Obama as well )= )
If you offend a gay it may be considered a hate crime
Or if you offend a woman , a black or whatever it is considered a hate crime
If you offend a religious person it’s a hate crime
It’s insanity these laws
Aren’t most crimes done out of hatred ??? )=
Make social issues a state/local issue
No to big government or federal on this
Make marriage a private institution
Make civil unions federal
Repeal D.O.M.A. , DADT and Roe vs Wade
Don't call me sweetie. I'm not and never will be your sweetie. I don't hate the sinner – I hate the sin.
Now you're making me laugh. Thanks. Needed that this morning.
You "hate". That's your problem in the first place. Take care of your own business first. "Judge not lest ye be judged". Right sweetheart?
"You should count your blessings that you are free to have intercourse with whomever you chose without being dragged out in the street and stone or set on fire."
Actually gay sex would still be illegal in several US states if it weren't for Lawrence v. Texas in 2003. That majority ruling was due to a Supreme Court makeup of liberal activist judges.
Bet that just burns you don't it?
"The lot of you are simply spoiled ungrateful brats who simply aren't "happy" enough living in a free country. You play the victim and kick and scream simply because you are not receiving preferential treatment under the guise of "basic human rights" ."
Nice old man shtick. What do you do for an encore? I know! More crazy!
"A couple, no matter what the mix does not constitute a family. Only once a child is introduced does it become so."
You honestly believe this? You must be severely repressed or something worse. I can't imagine a person let alone a group of people could be this backwards. No wonder conservatism is dying out.
"Try forcing your view of family and marriage on a Muslim country and see how they like it."
Fortunately, we don't live in a theocracy. We have a representative republic. Although if we had a Christian Theocracy, I have no doubt gay sex would be illegal. No doubt whatsoever. Christians in power are much the same as any other despotic religious zealots.
Whatever though. Keep channeling Fred Phelps and the rest of the loonies.
For more on Jennings doings (factual), see following web sites:
1. http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09d/harvard_actup...
Jennings a former member of the radical homosexual group "Act Up", he contributed to this offensive museum exhibit now at Harvard University. His name is on brochure.
2. http://www.glsen.org/cgi-bin/iowa/all/library/record/222...
He is the founder of the national homosexual group GLSEN, which sets up "gay straight alliance" clubs in middle & high schools. He stepped down August 2008 to work on Obama's campaign.
3. http://www.chapters.glsen.org/cgi-bin/iowa/boston/resour...
In-school trainings are central part of GLSEN's mission to create safe schools for students of all grade levels. Note ages of the children pictured.
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4. http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fistgate
Fistgate – note Wikipedia's written concerns about having this on their site. This happened in 2000 under Jennings.
5. http://www.article8.org/docs/news_events/glsen_043005/bl...
Little Black Book-Queer in the 21st Century.Be careful, VERY GRAPHIC! This booklet was distributed to hundreds of kids (middle school age and up) at Brookline High School, Brookline, MA, in April 2005. Enter text right here!
The minority has tried yet again to usurp the view of few-on many!!Not going to work. This is the time for people to realiaze we cannot fall asleep again.We must stay viligant over these matters.Get back liberty and morality in this country.Do not let these diviants try to make up a new acceptable morality,be on guard.What this so remind me of is a child throwing a fit.If you don't make it clear to a child that "something" is clearly wrong they will throw fits,try manipualtion and upon your response is where they find their direction-whether it (the thing they want)be good or bad. Homosexuality is an abomonation to God-no your hate crimes law-cannot change that.God is holy and is a just God.To continue in sin and say that God's people are haters because they follow His teachings-Woe to you on the last day.
"Actually gay sex would still be illegal in several US states if it weren't for Lawrence v. Texas in 2003. That majority ruling was due to a Supreme Court makeup of liberal activist judges."
Yet time and time again when the American people are permitted to vote they vote overwhelmingly against gay marriage." Bet that just burns you don't it?"
"You honestly believe this? You must be severely repressed or something worse. I can't imagine a person let alone a group of people could be this backwards. No wonder conservatism is dying out."
Yes I honestly believe that two people do not constitute a family. They are a couple. A family consists of members of more than one generation. But you will no doubt continue to twist the meaning and definition of things to suit your needs.
Fortunately, we don't live in a theocracy. We have a representative republic. Although if we had a Christian Theocracy, I have no doubt gay sex would be illegal. No doubt whatsoever. Christians in power are much the same as any other despotic religious zealots.
You miss my point. You have deluded yourself into thinking the world in general is fine with gay marriage when it is not. You site a representative government yet would and have willingly sought to bypass the will of the people through the court systems.
Your "loony" reference says it all. You believe you are not only entitled but deserving of respect and equal (special) treatment yet you make no effort to meet the people half way. Like the government you believe your point of view is the correct one and everyone else is wrong. This is why the people resist. They resent being badmouthed and belittled for disagreeing with you.
I will continue to believe what I believe despite your insults and you continue trying to change the world to fit your idea of what it SHOULD be.
Can you elaborate? As far as I'm concerned we were doing fine until people started "fixing" things.
There are no references to indicate Jonathan and David were intimate or "in love". By all rights they were simply best friends who made an oath like blood brothers.
1 Samuel 20:3 Then David took an oath before Jonathan and said, “Your father knows perfectly well about our friendship, so he has said to himself, ‘I won’t tell Jonathan—why should I hurt him?’ But I swear to you that I am only a step away from death! I swear it by the Lord and by your own soul!”
Friendship. Wives and children. Sounds just as it should.
I bet you just adore riling people up. Brilliant way to get your point across, isn't it? I don't think you've managed to sway a single person here.
And the vote in Maine only solidifies the representative govt. stance – and it looks like the MAJORITY of people DO NOT WANT gay marriage, even in a deeply blue, liberal state. That says it all.
"Yet time and time again when the American people are permitted to vote they vote overwhelmingly against gay marriage." Bet that just burns you don't it?"
Not really. Nothing worth fighting for is ever easy, and I expect setbacks. We take civil rights for granted these days. Most of us look back on Jim Crow with utter disgust. In another twenty years, that's how the U.S. will look back upon people like you. I take comfort in the future.
"You site a representative government yet would and have willingly sought to bypass the will of the people through the court systems."
A representative government is mediated through a series of checks and balances. In this case, the Judicial branch overrides the power of the Legislative (and Executive) branches. Sometimes, the courts refuse to hear cases. It all balances out.
That's how the USA works, my friend.
"This is why the people resist. They resent being badmouthed and belittled for disagreeing with you. "
Considering the utter beating gays have taken for millenia, it is only natural that they should feel resent and mistrust towards the bigots. It is only recently that the world is waking up to the injustice.
"I will continue to believe what I believe despite your insults and you continue trying to change the world to fit your idea of what it SHOULD be."
Oh I have no illusions of persuading you. Your beliefs are as fixed in stone as Jim Crow. The world is changing, and you are just going to have to adjust to it.
I'm sure you'll do just fine.
It's not about persuasion. When dealing in matters of faith and belief, people can rarely be swayed to drink anything other than the Kool-Aid they've been fed all their lives.
My purpose here is to show you that what you believe doesn't matter. Time is against you, and you better be prepared for the reality of nationwide gay marriage.
It is coming!
The same hysteria was used to oppose mixed-race marriages once. Also, Thomas Jefferson famously wrote "Question with boldness the existence of God, because if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of blind-folded fear."
Then again, you appear so choked by vile, noxious intolerance and hate there may be no room for cognitive reasoning in what passes for your brain. I have NO problem calling it as I see it when it comes to an irredeemably loathsome excuse for a human such as you.
As a trained historian, I can assure you that time is NOT against me.
Wow. You are the exact reason that I will continue to oppose gay marriage. Your holier-than-thou attitude speaks volumes.
I'm afraid you're going to be sadly disappointed in the next few years.
I know that the word of God does not come from a book written thousands of years ago by a bunch of misogynistic high priests claiming to channel their deity.
Your "fairy tales" are discriminating against millions of people. Call it the "word of God" if it pleases you, but I call BS on your God.
Oppose it if it pleases you. But it won't change anything. You aren't going to stop gay marriage. Understand that., Know that. It is happening already.
Just chill out and accept it. Stop hating.
@Gay_Marriage
This video is for you:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmEux9PlOj4
In short, the average American could care less who a guy of the homosexual lifestyle sleeps with. Just don't try to call it "marriage."
On that note, check out Steve Crowder's commentary on marriage and gay "pride" parades:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmEux9PlOj4
Well, folks, sorry to not care about this but here's the deal. I try to be the best Christian I can. That's why I would rather spend my time volunteering at a shelter or demanding justice for people losing jobs than worrying about gay marriage.
You are one messed up individual. The bottome line is you can do what you want in the privacy of your own home, you can wave your rainbow flag in your parades but when it is all said and done, you are the ones living in your own "fairy tales" (pun intended)
Religion been used in the past for Over the centuries people who misunderstood or misinterpreted the Bible have done terrible things. The Bible has been misused to defend bloody crusades and tragic inquisitions; to support slavery, apartheid, and segregation; to persecute Jews and other non-Christian people of faith; to support Hitler's Third Reich and the Holocaust; to oppose medical science; to condemn interracial marriage; to execute women as witches; and to support the Ku Klux Klan. Shakespeare said it this way: "Even the devil can cite Scripture for his purpose." Btw, Don't eat Seafood or Pork, or Masturbate wearing two type of Different fibers while your reading this post & Judging others! ..You Hippocrites! LOL!
I've been with my "FRIend" for 17 years and his Daughter is getting married next year!
Many of my relatives still thinks that Me & My "Friend" ONLY love each other like "Blood Brothers".
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Hmmmmmmmmmm!
It Took Europe about 10 years to accept Gay Marriage! It will take the U.S. few more years the catch up.
The next Generation will be the one to do it!..
Come mothers and fathers
Throughout the land
And don't criticize
What you can't understand
Your sons and your daughters
Are beyond your command
Your old road is
Rapidly agin'
Please get out of the new one
If you can't lend your hand
For the times they are a-changin'.
Countries That Recognize Gay Marriage
Netherlands – the first country to grant gay marriage on April 1, 2001.
Belgium – the second country to grant gay marriage on Jan 30, 2003.
Canada – the third country to grant gay marriage on June 28, 2005
Spain – the fourth country to grant gay marriage on July 3, 2005.
South Africa – the fifth country to grant gay marriage on Nov 30, 2006.
Norway – the sixth country to grant gay marriage on May 11, 2008.
Sweden – the seventh country to grant gay marriage on May 1, 2009.
I've been with my "FRIend" for 17 years and his Daughter is getting married next year!
Btw, Some of My relatives thinks that my "FRIEND" of 17 years and I, are just close friend like blood brothers! LOL!
ItReligion been used in the past for Over the centuries people who misunderstood or misinterpreted the Bible have done terrible things. The Bible has been misused to defend bloody crusades and tragic inquisitions; to support slavery, apartheid, and segregation; to persecute Jews and other non-Christian people of faith; to support Hitler's Third Reich and the Holocaust; to oppose medical science; to condemn interracial marriage; to execute women as witches; and to support the Ku Klux Klan. Shakespeare said it this way: "Even the devil can cite Scripture for his purpose." Btw, Don't eat Seafood or Pork, or Masturbate wearing two type of Different fibers while your reading this post & Judging others! ..You Hippocrites! LOL! Took Europe about 10 years to accept Gay Marriage! It will take the U.S. few more years the catch up.
“Jesus, I don’t want to be a religious player anymore. I’m not interested in ‘greater damnation’. I’m interested in ‘relationship’ not ‘religion’. I choose You as my Savior and give You access now to ‘iron out the religious wrinkles’ in my life.” (Romans 10:13)
I don't Understand why The GAYS wanna be Gay When It's so much Better to straight! LOL!
Heterosexual Privilege1
The following are but a few examples of the privilege which heterosexual people have. Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and queer-identified folk have a range of different experiences, but cannot count on most of these conditions in their lives.
On a daily basis as a heterosexual person:
* If I pick up a magazine, watch movies or TV shows, go to the theatre or play music, I can be certain my sexual orientation will be represented.
* I have positive role models of my sexual orientation.
* I grew up thinking my romantic feelings towards others were perfectly normal and healthy.
* In everyday conversation, the language my friends and I use generally assumes my sexual orientation. For example, “sex” referring to only heterosexual sex or “family” meaning heterosexual relationships with kids.
* I was able to put pictures of my “crush” up in my locker when I was in high school, and talk to my friends about him / her.
* I do not have to fear revealing my sexual orientation to friends or family. It's assumed, and it has never been associated with a closet.
* I do not have to fear that if my family or friends find out about my sexual orientation there will be economic, emotional, physical and psychological consequences.
* When I talk about my heterosexuality (such as in a joke or talking about my relationships), I will not be accused of pushing my sexual orientation.
* I am not accused of being abused, warped or psychologically confused because of my sexual orientation, or of wanting to recruit others (particularly children) into my lifestyle.
* I am never asked to speak for everyone who is heterosexual.
* I am not asked why I chose my sexual orientation, or why I made my choice to be public about it. I don’t have to defend it, and nobody tries to convince me to change it.
* I do not need to worry that people will harass me or assault me because of my sexual orientation.
* I can go for months without being called heterosexual, nobody calls me heterosexual with maliciousness, and people can use terms that describe my sexual orientation as a positive (i.e. "straight as an arrow", "standing up straight" or "straightened out”) instead of a negative (i.e. "ewww, that's gay" or being "queer”).
* I'm not grouped because of my sexual orientation.
* People do not assume I am experienced in sex or am sexually promiscuous (or that I even have sex!) merely because of my sexual orientation.
* I can choose to not think politically about my sexual orientation.
* I can easily find a religious community that will not exclude me for being heterosexual.
* I can count on finding a therapist or doctor willing to talk about my sexuality.
* I can be sure that if I need legal or medical help my sexual orientation will not work against me.
* I can walk hand-in-hand in public with my partner, or kiss him/her goodbye at the airport and not have people stare at us, talk about us, insult or assault us.
* I can talk freely to others about my relationship with my partner, our vacation or our plans for the future.
* I can marry my partner without public controversy, and enjoy all the social, legal and financial benefits that go along with being married.
* My partner and I can find appropriate anniversary cards for each other in any store.
* My partner and I can attend family functions together, and my partner is included in family photographs.
* My partner and I can easily find appropriate housing, and we can expect that our neighbours will be friendly or at least neutral toward us.
* My partner and I can comfortably purchase a “couples membership” at a gym or fitness centre.
* I am easily able to find sex education literature for couples with my sexual orientation.
* My partner and I can adopt children, or have children by in vitro fertilization or artificial insemination, without being criticized and without our motives being questioned.
* My partner and I can parent our children without threat of intervention by child protection agencies based on our sexual orientation.
* I do not have to worry about telling my co-workers about my sexuality. It is assumed I am a heterosexual.
* I can be pretty sure that my co-workers will be comfortable with my sexual orientation.
* I can go home from work without feeling excluded, fearful, attacked, isolated, outnumbered, unheard, held at a distance, stereotyped or feared because of my sexual orientation.
* I can be sure that reference materials used in my work setting reflect the existence of people with my sexual orientation.
* I am guaranteed to find people of my sexual orientation represented in my workplace.
* I can be open about my sexual orientation without worrying about my job.
* I am not identified by my sexuality in my workplace (e.g., “that heterosexual nurse”).
* If my partner was to die, I would have paid bereavement leave from my job. My name would automatically be included in the obituary as his/her survivor.
I do love those Wigs & White Powder make up & Blushes our Elitist Founding Fathers use to wear!!! LOL!
Good to see that you think destroying other people's lives is a "game", kadaka. What a horrible human being you must be. I'd much rather burn in hell than have to spend it in heaven with someone like you.