Maine Agrees With Obama: No Same Sex Marriage
by PubliusGay marriage has now lost in every single state—31 in all—in which it has been put to a popular vote.
From the Associated Press:
Maine (AP) – Maine voters repealed a state law Tuesday that would have allowed same-sex couples to wed, dealing the gay rights movement a heartbreaking defeat in New England, the corner of the country most supportive of gay marriage.
Gay marriage has now lost in every single state—31 in all—in which it has been put to a popular vote. Gay-rights activists had hoped to buck that trend in Maine—known for its moderate, independent-minded electorate—and mounted an energetic, well-financed campaign.
With 87 percent of the precincts reporting, gay-marriage foes had 53 percent of the votes.
“The institution of marriage has been preserved in Maine and across the nation,” declared Frank Schubert, chief organizer for the winning side.
Gay-marriage supporters refused to concede, holding out hope that that the tide might turn as the final returns came in.
“We’re here for the long haul and whether it’s just all night and into the morning, or it’s next week or next month or next year, we will be here,” said Jesse Connolly, manager of the pro-gay marriage campaign. “We’ll be here fighting. We’ll be working. We will regroup.”
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Funny how the liberal agenda items just utterly FAIL when put to a vote of the populace. The ONLY way they get anything they want is through the courts by fiat. Screw that! ( no pun intended) It's time for all this libtard crap to go before the voters. I have faith in my fellow citizens that we're sick and tired of being sick and tired…. of liberal crap.
The gay rights crowd will continue to lose when their agenda items are put up for a real vote. The only way they can get anything through is (and pardon the pun) through the back door.
Nineteen states left to go ( no matter how many more state Barry believes there are ) and I doubt that the same sex marriage crowd will win those.
It’s interesting (and telling) that the A.P. refers to it as a “heartbreaking defeat” for the pro-homo crowd. Had the vote been the other way, they wouldn’t have labeled it that for our side. I call this a cause for a celebration of sanity!
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you guys are bastards…i can't believe people like you even exist. you guys must be lab rats for group polarization. not everything the lemmings do is correct you sad brainwashed oafs
In 2008 Florida confirmed "One Man, One Woman" as the standard for marriage. Some Libertarians said it wasn't the government's business to take away the civil right of marriage from homosexual couples.
I said that Marriage was created by God in Genesis as One Man, One Woman and what right does the government have forcing their pro-homosexual ideas into God's country since they scream "Separation of Church and State!" every time we try to do something? Marriage was not created by the government; it was created by God long before the U.S. Constitution — or any other founding document from any nation worldwide — was created, so what right does the government (any government) have to push homosexual marriage into being when it was God's idea in the first place?
31 to 0
Power to the people
Wow, your intolerance is showing! Calm down before you pop blood vessel.
Two interesting highlights from the linked AP piece:
—Maine voters defeated a measure that would have limited state and local government spending by holding it to the rate of inflation plus population growth. A similar measure was on the ballot in Washington state.
—Another measure in Maine, which easily won approval, will allow dispensaries to supply marijuana to patients for medicinal purposes. It is a follow-up to a 1999 measure that legalized medical marijuana but did not set up a distribution system.
So this was hardly the work of "hate-filled conservative demagogues" as Maine appears to be pretty much liberal, with non-conservative measures winning on the same ballot.
Still, let us see what the voting breakdowns for ethnic and religious groups were, while celebrities and other activists decry the racism and denying of Constitutionally-guaranteed rights, and some Mormon churches get targeted. Like in Kalifornia, another liberal state, after Prop 8 went through.
Side question: How often do these advocates declare gay marriage is a "God-given right"? Just wondering.
100% correct
well if thse people actualy read the bible they would read not only in the old test.but in the new as well homosexualality is an abomination to God goes against the grain goes againt what God created how can they say its normal i dont think gay men can reproduce
I don't know what the point is. The next election they'll try again, then the one after that, then the one after that. Eventually they'll win, then a judge will refuse to let it be overturned because it would be removing a right. At some point Conservatives are going to have to make a strategic decision on how to deal with this, then work out something with gay activists. Either that or give up and let them have their way. How much money has been wasted on this so far, only to have it pop up in the next election. It's just never-ending.
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“Gay marriage has now lost in every single state—31 in all—in which it has been put to a popular vote.”
Wonder why!!!
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No, the Homsex group will not win they will never win read the signs, there is such a thing as Gods backlash, which next will be Gods wrath. These Groups have all weaked our Country. May God be merciful to those that Repent and unmerciful to the rest………………God, Country, Family!!!
(Putton latex gloves before I comment on this issue) SOLUTION ! Put all the gay men on one island. Put all the snappers on another. Return in 75 years to discuss their viewpoint again.
Nah, it is not quite never-ending.
So far gay marriage has been enacted by activist judges and liberal legislatures. The judges were most troubling, as within a state their authority is second only to their state constitutions. Result, 30 amendments to 30 state constitutions against gay marriage. Given the barriers to amend such, their possible repeal by a countering amendment seems very unlikely for decades to come, and even then we would have to allow them to commit enough indoctrination long enough to reverse public opinion.
As is getting pretty obvious by the numbers, gay marriage advocates will have to take it to the federal level, since only there can state constitutions be overridden. And, surprise, the federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) still survives, with the US Supreme Court refusing to touch it. I severely doubt they, or any federal judge, is about to toss aside a state's constitution over this issue.
Therefore, they are losing. Therefore, there may well be an ending.
A few of these posts tempt me to re-think my position as a gay Independent/Conservative. You really wonder why gay/lesbian or even open-minded people drank the Obama kool-aid? When you are the alternative the kool-aid looks good.
If you hate the idea of gay marriage, then how about not standing in the way of civil unions? The reason some of the activists are pushing for marriage in the first place is because people like you fight the rights consenting adults to enter into legal contracts. They figure marriage is the easiest way to have basic civil rights (such as hospital visits and estate rights). Prove you are not hate-mongers and don't fight civil unions. It's obvious from reading these posts that many of you would.
I'm thinking that there be some trolls here. A bunch of the more anti-gay (as opposed to anti gay marriage) posts here sound the same yet have different names attached to them.
It used to be that such trolls would write obviously dumb things like 'kill the XXX,' now they're a little more subtle, I guess– pushing as far as they can without getting flagged for removal.
Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve folks, no matter which way you look at it. Marriage of one man and one woman is of God. I'll be shouting hallelujah and praising God all day. God still does answer prayer. Its very simple, God will forgive you, all you have to do is believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and ask Him to come into your heart and read your bible and pray every day, sure beats burning in Hell forever. Read John in the Bible it will show you His love for you. God Bless you all.
Why does the government have any interest in distributing benefits based on sex? The only reason there was a marriage benefit in the first place was society's recognition of the sacrifice made by married couples in bearing and raising children in a stable environment. Nothing has changed. So why should there by government recognition of same sex contracts? How does one prove to be in love or having sex? Any unemployed heterosexual could "marry" his roommate to get health insurance under such idiotic laws.
Place the blame squarely on the homosexual activists who took an all-or-nothing approach to the issue. For most Americans, marriage is a sacrosanct institution. Whether temporal government should have anything to do with it at all is a separate issue, but as long as I, and I expect most Americans, are asked the question, via the ballot box, if our definition of "marriage" should include two men or two women, we will always answer NO.
I was particularly struck by this all-or-nothing mentality recently, while reading the local Jewish newspaper. A homosexual activist was asked whether she was seeking "tolerance." She laughed at the idea, and said she and her peers were not. They were seeking complete normalization of their lifestyle choices– acceptance…no…embrace of it without a second thought.
No. If tolerance isn't good enough, too bad.
Obama cannot come out for gay marriage because he's a Muslim.
BINGO!
Hit the nail on the head!
Marriage is a mandate from God (the one true God in the Holy Bible, Genesis specifically, not the Multi-cultural "all religions worship the same god" bs).
I am so sick and tired of these libtards trying to argue their "right" to equal treatment in marriage when THEY CLEARLY DO NOT MEET THE DEFINITION!
Marriage is a contract with God that just happens to be recognized by Caesar. That don't make it Caesar's to redefine.
Create some LEGAL equivalent, and so be it, but Marriage is a contract between me, my WIFE, and God.
Nuff Said.
Quick, somebody call Code Pink…………
I am a hard core conservative. Fiscally and Socially.
I believe homosexuality is a sin.
BUT! I am also an American, and I know Gay people who are great people. I don't force my views on them. I would NEVER discriminate based on race, religion, sexual preferences, etc. NEVER!
I am totally fine with CIVIL UNION's or other legal contracts that are equal to marriage under the LAW of the land.
But that is not what the Gay activists want.
I would support you if you would shout down those of your fellows who can't see this. But I will never support Gay Marriage.
It is not about me forcing my views on you. It is all about I will not discard my views to be replaced by yours.
First, do no harm. Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you…
Sadly in my state of Massachusetts, this issue was never brought to a vote by the people. We have judges who know way better than voters on so many issues including same sex marriage. It should be an issue decided by voters. If it is on a ballot and voted on fairly, I am sure that whatever the outcome, people would support it.
Same sex "marriage" isn't "legal" in Massachusetts either. The SJC ordered the legislature to pass a law making it legal. That is a direct violation of the separation of powers in the constitution and the legislature did not act within the 60 days in the order making the order void. governor Romney then ordered town clerks to issue marriage licenses without legislative action making it legal. So any future governor could rightly issue a new order voiding such licenses and no longer recognizing these illegal "marriages".
That was bad. Bigotry from gays doesn't seem to help their causes and agenda
Gays can enter all types of contracts. Last time i checked rush buying a football team is a violation of civil rights. No gays speaking up?
Of course, Tom Hanks has issued a Hollywood fatwa against Maine's Mormons and Catholics BUT not Buddhists, Muslims or Rev Wright's United Marxists in Aborting Christ.
America rejects the vast MINORITY militant homosexual pervs. God, Guns, and Guts made America great, not pantywaisted leftist vermin.
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The Anti Liberal Zone
There are actually good examples of what would happen all over the country. All you have to do is look at former "gay ghettos" of most major cities in the U.S.
Gays and Lesbians moved to the run down neighborhoods (that's the only place they could live at the time) fixed them up, made them nice vibrant areas again.
Then the "normal" people decided they wanted the neighborhoods back.
God bless the citizens of Maine! As another wrote, I agree marriage is between God and husband and wife. God doesn’t hate the sinner, but the sin. The sexual acts homosexuals perform on each other are sinful pleasures of evil. I have no hatred for homosexuals, just what they do. I agree everyone has rights in this country, but you also have to consider God’s laws. This country was founded on the moral principles of Christianity. Grant homosexual couples civil contracts, but leave God’s marriage out of it. The people have spoken, it shows that not all have lost their true moral beliefs to the liberal mentality of anything goes. God bless America.
Press 1 for English, press 2 for Spajish; the number is 69.
as a conservative/libertarian, i'm ambivalent about gay marriage. on the one hand, in these troubled times i'm not troubled by the thought of society officially encouraging more committed, stable relationships, be they straight or gay. potential for benefits fraud, etc., is a red herring- the same thing can happen with hetero unions. i'm one of those people who bases his respect of others on whether or not they pull their own weight in this world and are otherwise decent, law abiding people. your race, gender, religion, & sexual proclivities are none of my concern- JUST SO LONG AS YOU DON"T INSIST ON DEMANDING THAT I BE CONCERNED WITH IT- which brings me to my other point:
where i start to have reservations is when i recognize that the GLBT lobby is not, and will never be, content with the benign indifference of their fellow citizens. anything less than a full endorsement, nay, celebration, of their lives & lifestyles is flatly unacceptable. when the GLBTs figure out that most folks don't really give a rat's heinie about gay rights one way or the other, and quit trying to force people to care, i suspect they'll get a lot less blowback.
my $0.02
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No, the reason why some of activists are pushing homosexual marriage is their enduring hatred of anything that calls homosexuality sinful, and in order to demolish that (specifically Judeo-Christianity) they are trying to change the definition of marriage. See, the problem here is a spiritual problem held by less than 1% of the population. Hospital visits and estate rights? Please don't be stupid. You can write your will any way you want to. Hospital visits are the same thing — have a care directive written that specifies who can come to see you. It's not hard and even if this is not the law in your state, conservatives won't fight the right of people to specify who can visit them in the hospital under such an arrangement.
Again, no, the easiest way to gain the "rights" you speak of is to address them individually where they don't already exist. Trying to push taxpayer support for homosexual marriage or any moral equivalent will never fly.
Why make laws for a people-group who do not proecreate? The "gay" culture is quite lucky that they are a protected species, as biblically under OT Law their behaviour is considered a Capital Crime. The NT Section highly condones this type of behaviour as well..to the extent that "gays" will not be allowed into the Kingdom.
They have rights here in America that they did not use to change their Way of Life (religion) and it would be wise to exercise those rights. The Sodomites have simply believed a lie.
This vote is why we need to press our CONgress members about health care. It should be to a vote by the entire nation . But that would mean CONgress giving up what they value the most….CONTROL. We've got to take back OUR country one city and one state at a time…
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You'll like this:
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A "Marriage" is a covenant that is entered into under the eyes of God. Since God has told us that Homosexuality is a sin, there is NO way that God would saction such unions. That being said, in the secular world, anybody has the right to enter into a relationship with whomever they want to. One man-one woman, two men, or two women, as long as it is one on one, I don't care. Gay/Lesbean couples should be entitled to the same secular benefits as heterosexual couples.
I happen to be of the belief that if you are "married" at city hall, it is not a marriage but a civil union. Whether straight or gay, it is not a "Marriage" until it has been sanctioned under the eyes of God.
Also, there sould not be ANY backlash against people who wish to opt out of the Homosexual hugfest! Shoving the Gay lifestyle down our throats and forcing us to accept it will only garner more resistance.
Gecks
Pardon me, consenting adults can enter into legal contracts; such contract occur every day.
you are saying I am a hate-monger because 'yin-yin union between yin and yang' is a fallacy?
Do you not understand that by forcing people to accept irrational concepts you are effectively imposing Statist tyranny; what's next…I am a hate-monger because I do not accept Al Gore's fraudulent Climate Change charge.
PS: Twice I have been PROFILED and twice it occurred when entering Gaydom; you want to talk about oppressive people? Gaydom is so exclusive you won't let anyone even knock your door if you are NOT GAY!
Try being straight in Gaydom where offered is The Men's Room or The Other Room. Not to mention the 'blackfacing' gay men do to ridicule the female!
We have to tolerate your drag queens mocking the female otherwise you will descend upon us the most brutal of attacks.
And you wonder why so many resist!
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I have nothing against Civil Unions if that were all it was. Trouble is that the activists are working on an incrementalists approach. Get an inch, go for another. The constitution limits government involvement in our day to day lives and should stay out of it. The right of privacy to do what one wants in the privacy of their on home. When you bring it to the streets, when you force it into our schools, when you flaunt it in our face and call us the evil ones, that is where I draw the line. For the congress to enact special hate crime laws they create a special class of people. Hate is hate, violence is violence and all forms should be against the law. Making there to be special classes only serves to underscore the differences rather than unite anything. Be who you want to Be, do what you want to do, but dn't tell me that what I feel and believe is wrong because you say it is, I HAVE RIGHTS TOO. Try working with people on a reasonable basis and not force your beliefs down our throats, you will get much farther.
Had they put civil unions up for a vote … it would have passed easily….but insisting that the "hot" word marriage in the bill .. is the kiss of death
God bless the citizens of Maine! As another wrote, I agree marriage is between God and husband and wife. God doesn't hate the sinner, but the sin. I agree everyone has rights in this country, but you also have to consider God's laws. This country was founded on the moral principles of Christianity. Grant homosexual couples civil contracts, but leave God's marriage out of it. The people have spoken, it shows that not all have lost their true moral beliefs to the liberal mentality of anything goes. God bless America.
I think that what many moderates who are supporters of same-sex marriage are forgetting or overlooking is that in our society homosexuals can live together, share property, etc. to their heart’s content. By and large, we leave them alone, however they’ve become more militant with the “we’re here, we’re queer, get used to it” chant, and their indoctrination in the schools that “gay is ok.” It’s at this point where they want the holy grail of legal recognition for their perversion of marriage that the majority is standing up and saying “no way!” The only thing troubling is that these races are so close. It should be a slam-dunk rejection of a lifestyle choice that is unnatural and a condition that is still a product of mental illness.
Nice try gay troll. Give it a rest.
Here in Kalifornia we have civil unions, back in the 1970s. And where did that get us?
And speaking of hate-mongering, when Prop 8 was passed here the Mormons as a community was attacked here for their support. Polls showed that a majority of Latino and African-American voters supported the Prop. Why would the MSM, Liberals and Democrats (but I repeat myself, twice) go after a fringe group not in their "tent" but completely ignore two important factions within their "tent"?
Wait, didn't my last question just answer itself?
Look at you. You have become what you have hated. It is one of the reasons for your defeat. You have assumed that people who think gay marriage is wrong are hateful spiteful people. Why can't it be that they just think its wrong and that right and wrong are not relative to ones feelings, passions, dispositions or even genetics when they clearly do not fall in line with an obvious design and purpose..
Look… I’m against Gay Marriage – it’s an oxymoron. I’m 100% FOR civil unions that afford Gay couples all the same rights under the law. This is American – lets level the playing field.
I believe in live and let live. But don’t force your views upon me, my family and my country. Get your aberrant lifestyle out of my face, out of my schools and out of view of my children.
The more you push, the more push-back you will receive.
If the gay community wanted civil unions so badly they would not be working so hard to legalize gay marriage. If the issue were only about "rights" they would in fact be working harder on the civil union front. The fact that they are not belies their true purpose. They desire gay "marriage" not for the "rights" or benefits they believe they will receive but as a symbol of their perceived acceptance. However, as others have suggested here, for many acceptance and "rights" are not what they are after. They seek gay "marriage" in vain attempt to mock God and his law because they know as well as we do that marriage is a sacred and spiritual union.
I don't believe anyone is standing in the way of civil unions except perhaps the government. Again as others have suggested, what interest has the government in offering such benefits to same sex couples? The benefits they extended to married couples was to encourage and aid parents in raising children. The same does not apply to same sex couples as they (alone/naturally) cannot procreate. What reason does the government have to offer tax breaks and legal protections to same sex couples outside of getting them to shut up? none.
There of course is the social aspect. The gay community has not been asking for tolerance or acceptance. They have been demanding it. Being a free country most of us don't take kindly to people making demands of us. It's about respect. You must first show respect if you expect to receive it.
Well said dclawofc
I am tired of being bullied.
Libertarians shouldn't be the legal recognition of ANY marriage, Man, Woman or same sex. Just proves Libertarians are just Pot-Smoking Republicans…passing social-engineering laws is ALSO the expansion of Government Idiots…..the "CORRECT" Libertarian position is that marriage should be recognized by religious institutions and that the government should not be in the business of recognizing any civil union… Any other position than that from the LIbertarian side shows they are just…Libs…
The Strategic way to deal with this is to "Re-Enforce Religious Rights into law and make Dems have public votes in Congress on things like "Religious Identity", "Conscience Clauses" "Rights of Religious People at Work" "Rights of Religious People who own property" etc. Make the Dems "VOTE A VERY PUBLIC NO" on someone's religious rights and these clowns will be kicked out of office. It will also expose the agenda of the social left as facist religion hating zealots…lay it bare for everyone to see.
The Strategic way to deal with the "Inevitability of Gay Marriage" is to go on the offensive in "Re-Enforce Religious Rights into law and make Dems have public votes in Congress on things like "Religious Identity", "Conscience Clauses" "Rights of Religious People at Work" "Rights of Religious People who own property" etc. Make the Dems "VOTE A VERY PUBLIC NO" on someone's religious rights and these clowns will be kicked out of office. It will also expose the agenda of the social left as facist religion hating zealots…lay it bare for everyone to see.
Most people would refer to me as a right wing, very conservative, very religous man. But I agree with David Montgomery (earlier post). Let the gays have their civil unions. ALL the gay people I know are nice, respectful and law abidding. They are cops, mailpersons, business people etc.
Give us marriage. Let them have their civil unions. All the talk and anger will not change their behavior.
Only God can change a persons heart
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Maybe if the churches stood for what they claim to believe I'd be happy for you, but all I see is one group of hyporcites twisting the Bible around and lording it over another group who just wants to live their lives the way they want.
sigh, too bad Christians don't act more Christlike, this has nothing to do with God's will or how He wants us to treat our neighbor, it is just imposing one group's ideas of morality. If that doesn't bother you then maybe you'd be happy if the Catholics banned birth control as well?
But at least you all admit you are forcing your religious ideas on others so you can bet the more you cry it's about religion the more likely the courts will overturn these laws,
Our country was founded on The Word of God, whether you or I like the idea or not. It is primarily a history book and shows several examples of normal and abnormal lifestyles. Blessings are available as well as cursings and punishments. The bible teaches us to Judge Ourself! It therefore has become the limit to our rights that we have. Hollywood type of philsoophy, where anything goes puts God into a 2nd place position and He does get jealous over this and will take action now or later. Two things that the Creator God can not do: Lie or Break His Promises.
Despite this vote, the trend towards legal gay marriage in the US continues, which of course infuriates the religious crazies, and bigots to no end.
Face reality folks – denial of gay marriage rights makes you NO DIFFERENT than that racist judge in Louisiana who refused to marry interracial couples. NO DIFFERENT.
Gay marriage is coming!. Run and hide!
I'm against gay marriage and most conservatives are but the first three or four posts were posted from homophobic trolls so don't mistake them for me )=
You do know that Bill Maher claims to be a Libertarian and he is so far left in his views he might as well be sitting in the Kremlin.
This would be a non-issue if the gov't would stop recognizing (and taxing!) marriages altogether. If 2 people love each other and they want to get married, why should anyone care if it's hetero or not? It's no one elses business whatsoever.
I'm an agnostic and I believe that almost all aspects of what people refer to when they make the sound "God" are almost certainly fables.
BUT I believe that innate, environmentally independant, practically Calvinistic, exclusive homosexuality is pure bullshit. Bullshit! Sex is complicated enough that kids don't need to grow up wondering whether they might one day "discover" that they're gay. Also, the innate revulsion that most people feel at the site of two men romantically involved is something that a few libtard assholes shouldn't be allowed by the majority to legislate away. Also, the biologically natural closeness that male close friends are able to have for each other, where they can go for walks together and the like, shouldn't be allowed to be shamed out of existence lest people suspect repulsive "sexual" interests between them. Etc, etc.
All in all the gay "rights" movement is a movement of rare and repulsive oddities flung into the national consciousness by people who want to claim that they're better than you because you're a "bigot" – for being normal.
As an aside, I supported Obama in the campaign and am as fiscally liberal as anyone who isn't a socialist can be. The left of today isn't Orwell's or Debs' left, it's ivory tower "beautiful people" Left who aren't fighting for you to get a living wage or a shorter work week but for all sorts of BS issues that give them a righteous glow as Superior Beings.
To be honest I think social issues should be a state/local issue instead of the federal government issue
I'm just sick and tired of the social liberals and the radical social conservatives
I'm a moderate social conservative
Marriage should become a private valid institution that can be added to a civil union with the requirement that it must be between one man and one woman
Civil unions for heterosexuals and homosexuals nationwide
Repeal D.O.M.A. , DADT and Roe vs Wade
I'm also against Affirmative Action and would like to see it banned ( that may sound radical but Affirmative Action is race , gender , sexual orientation conscious and I see it as a discriminatory law )
Also please don't think that Christian homeschoolers or private Christian schools teach Creationism
Most teach Evolution and I agree with teaching it
I just don't believe in Evolution
One of the main reasons many Christians homeschool is not the Creation vs Evolution debate but because of the attitudes at school like sex , cussing and whatever
And not all Christians wear chatisty belts or bracelets
Most of us are waiting until marriage and many are virgins ( or few sexual partners ) but we dress in a decent way =)
Not too frigid but certainly not too immoral and showoff
I'm pro life and even though some pro choicers are nice people deep down I can never support a candidate that supports abortion … especially if it is federal
Make social issues a state/local issue
That may bridge some understanding and gaps in the communities
Have a nice day everyone =)
Same sex "marriage" is just a smoke-screen to destroy the foundation of Western civilization. The homosexual agenda isn't to make sure that they can marry, it's to destroy the very idea of marriage. They want to make sure that our culture doesn't honor and respect a sacred marriage between a man and a woman.
And Kevin Jennings can tell you all about how the gay agenda includes preying on children in schools. I'm sure there are lots of decent and nice homosexuals. But there are lots of decent and nice Muslims, too. The ones that I'm worried about are the ones who are attacking our culture and trying to destroy it.
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Just for a goof I decided to see how CNN was spinning these elections last night. At the time I tuned in Anderson Cooper, who has a vested interest in this subject, was talking about the Maine Gay Marriage voting. At the time it appeared as if the pro-gay agenda was winning and Cooper was giddy. A few hours later when it was obvious that the tide had turned and the anti-gay marriage folks were winning Cooper had a very sad expression on his face.
The most interesting aspect was when Cooper turned the commentary over to some Democrat spokestool. Get this the Dem actually said and I paraphrase “This is what happens when you let religion and politics mix!” in an angry vote he then went on to say “that’s why this type of legislation needs to be kept out of the public’s hands, this kind of thing should only be decided by an educated judiciary!”
Well, after picking my jaw up off the floor I was thinking how these Dems are showing their true colors now and aren’t even trying to hide their biases.
CNN is hilarious sometimes!
Oh darn, that should be “in an angry voice, not vote” Freudian slip I guess!
In response to one of the comments above. Gay men (and women) CAN REPRODUCE. Just not with each other. Many gay men and women have children created the old fashioned way— (I’m sure you don’t need details) before they “discovered” they were gay. From which fact we can logically deduce that men and women who identify themselves as “gay” a) are capable, but not presently willing, to have sexual intercourse with members of the opposite sex and b) are very often capable of reproducing. Both of which facts indicate to a rational observer that the phenomenon of homosexuality is considerably more complex than “gay advocates” would have us believe.
This mirrors my feelings almost exactly, with only the following caveat:
Those "pride" parades have GOT TO GO…
They do not help your cause at all; in fact, they reinforce every possible negative aspect and stereotype people have of GLBT lifestyles…and adds ammunition and resistance…
I am nervous about the "Marriage" tag so coveted by the GLBT lobby. If the source of pride is being so different, why pursue that mundane issue? Or is there more to this then what is being asked?
No, they have lost, but it's only for the moment. It's cost millions on both sides, and every year the numbers get closer, meaning that eventually they won't lose any more. People on the Right can pretend this isn't the case, but the facts don't lie. Look at the numbers for gay marriage and it's incontrovertible that they are narrowing, both nationally and locally. It was barely defeated in California last year, and defeated in a fairly close measure this time in Maine. If we play the game of letting them try endlessly until they finally succeed, we've accomplished nothing (and wasted a staggering amount of resources). Perhaps it's finally time to deal with the issue and try to find a solution everyone can agree with, then find a way to lock the vote (at least for a few decades).
Wow, I find it stunning that a bigoted post like this can earn a high rating. It's just sad.
I haven't heard someone call people "homos" since 8th grade. Your parents must be so proud.
[...] In Maine there was a very important vote last night that would repeal the gay marriage law. I for one am excited to report that the people choose to repeal that horrific law that undermines what marriage is “between one man and one women only”! For the traditional values this is a very big win because in the New England states gay marriage was a popular subject. So I have one last thing I would like to say to the gay population out there, wake up repent for your sins and get involved in traditional values! Filed Under: political, religious. [...]
Troll alert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As I said before:
Why is it SO important to participate in the mundane hetero behavior of "marriage"? What kind of "gay pride" is that?
There's more to this than "marriage", isn't there?
If you can establish rights of ownership, of benefit assignment, of rights of every other type through legal means, wouldn't the conventionality of "marriage" be an anathema to a group SO against the perceived mainstream?
Or is this really about destroying a concept you despise?
Cowboy, thank you very muchoe. I really needed a laugh…and I saved it to share with others.
Rivolia & company needs to run for office. (sp?)
Ha Ha!!! The perverts lose yet again in another state!!
Given Obama's stance on gay marriage, this has to count as a big win for him. So there's that.
I'm shocked at the comments that homosexuality is a sin or immoral as it isn't a frivolous lifestyle choice by the vast majority of gays but hardwired into the brain, modern psychiatry understands it as such. It's just as hardwired as left/right handedness. I'm also of the mind that there is no deviant sexual behavior between consenting adults, so where is the immorality? The sexual preferences of others and what they do in the privacy of their home is none of my business.
If you want to single out immorality I'll pick abortion as a birth control method as the ultimate in immorality.
That said, the issue of gay "marriage" isn't frivolous and gays need to respect that. The huge cultural sea change in redefining the term marriage away from the traditional man/woman/child nuclear family is rightfully resented.
[...] Maine Agrees With Obama: No Same Sex Marriage [...]
"That said, the issue of gay "marriage" isn't frivolous and gays need to respect that. The huge cultural sea change in redefining the term marriage away from the traditional man/woman/child nuclear family is rightfully resented."
Yeah, because straight people respect marriage SOOOO much. Hence the 50% divorce rate, and spousal abuse, and child abuse, and …
Gay marriage is coming. Get used to it. It is an inevitability.
Wow. All these “slippery slope” arguments are giving me a headache.
No opponent of gay marriage has ever sufficiently explained to me how it hurts them, in any way whatsoever, if the lesbian couple down the block from me is issued a marriage license.
“Civil Unions” is just the same kind of “separate but equal” rhetoric we saw regarding 1960s segregation of blacks. To get a private contract or civil union established which grants anything close to the same rights and privileges as what married couples enjoy, a gay couple must spend thousands of dollars and months of effort in order to establish all the needed legal documentation, and even then all they get is an imperfect similacrum.
Meanwhile, a twice-before-married single mom can road-trip to Vegas and be married within an hour to a man she just met for $50.
How is that fair?
Our children is another part of hope for the future. The "gay" lifestyles do not provide any hope for our future.
Oh that's right, they have a privlege of a 3-some to procreate. Obama's school czar thinks that would be OK.Pride comes before the Fall and really all I have to do is Watch, Wait & See.
Darogr, it's the leftwing gayhadists that are standing in the way of civil unions. To them it's not good enough, they need to redefine marriage altogether. 99% of the global population is heterosexual, the intolerant militant homosexuals need to realize we're not going to change the bedrock of society for a few sniveling whining retrogrades. I empathize with your revulsion with of some of the comments; I have similar sentiments when I read anti-Semitic rhetoric. But I think we both realize the left is far worse than right could ever be, which is why we're Conservatives/Republicans.
I suspect the vast majority on the Right would support civil unions; I personally do.
Look at all of these people )=
We have the homophobes and then we have Tara , Des and Gay Marriage )=
Please make social issues a state/local issue
Btw if you didn’t hear the moderate social conservatives we said that marriage should be a PRIVATE institution and be required to be between one man and one woman
Gay marriage is not coming …
It is evitable
Marriage in every single society , societies which hated , were indifferent or loved homosexuals was between one man and one woman
Marriage includes love but it is not it’s main purpose or reason
The effects of gay marriage will not be seen in just the now but in future generations … it may not ‘affect’ you but it affects others and the future generations
Here is to end the truce
- Make social issues a state/local issue
- Repeal D.O.M.A. , DADT and Roe vs Wade
- Civil unions for EVERYBODY ( homosexuals AND heterosexuals alike ) and marriage something that can be added to the civil union if one wants to ( but it must be between a man and a woman )
Civil unions the public policy
Marriage the second option , something private and only between one man and one woman
Stop using big government
No more federal government on this
They created the no fault divorce sham and now it’s leading to this )=
We have promiscuity , porn addicts , cussing , taking the Lord’s name in vain , single mothers , out of wedlock , pre marital sex gone wild , adultery , the Babby daddies and so much more on one side
Then we have the rabid social conservatives as a reaction to them
The lunatics whom don’t seem to have one liberal bone in them
Make marriage a private institution
Civil unions federal
Stop the madness )=
Our problem in "the game" is we keep letting them frame the narrative. They say it is about fairness and equality, and opposition gets labeled as from intolerant religious fundamentalists. We are allowing their "fairness and equality" indoctrination to go forward, spreading among our children and upwards to sympathetic (read gullible) adults.
They claim their "struggle" is exactly the same as that for civil rights for racial minorities, even that it is still the same fight and this is merely a continuation of the war against bigotry. How do we directly counter such outlandish claims? Well, um, we tend not to, and fall back on religion.
There are many examples like that. We cite religion, which they then twist to make us look like intolerant fools, instead of countering them head on. You can exaggerate and use humor, long as we are not using religion as that is what they want.
"This is about Civil Rights!"
"So you're saying 70% of the African-American voters in California want to be enslaved?"
"Everyone should be allowed to marry whomever they love!"
"Ah, so you support incest. Good to know."
They want us to speak religion, we comply, we lose. So, we stop playing their game. We provide other reasons against it, keep the pressure on. We stop their indoctrination and deception.
Look at the numbers. This is our war to lose.
Can't take the Swine Flu shot either?
That's right ! He's a Muslim! Thanks for reminding us!
God forbid he should think for himself~ its ok the Kool Aid is gone~
[...] Election Headline of the Day Posted on November 4, 2009 by Denis E. Ambrose, Jr. Heh: “Maine Voters Agree with Obama on Gay ‘Marriage’”. [...]
Isn't voting on such issues great?? The people obviously don't want the institute of marriage to be degraded or perverted by a minority that thinks the rest of us should concede to their way of life. Do what you want at home but don't force me or my children to believe that it is okay or that it is the same as a man and a woman getting married because it's not! No wonder the younger generations are so confused about thier identity when Dad is dating or wants to marry another man…give me a break!!!!
"Isn't voting on such issues great?? The people obviously don't want the institute of marriage to be degraded or perverted by a minority that thinks the rest of us should concede to their way of life."
Funny. The exact same things were said about interracial marriage back in the "good ol days". People like you are relics of the past. Thankfully, the younger generation doesn't hold your bigoted views. We just have to wait until more people like you die.
At least when I die I won't have to go before my God and try and convince him that "Gay is OK" when he clearly says differently..or are you going to call him a bigot too??
Your "God" is your own business. If you choose to worship a bigot, then you'll get exactly what you deserve. Live by the word of "God", die by it. But don't you DARE force your "God"'s perverted and bigoted views upon me.
The plain fact of the matter is that civil unions are inferior to marriage in nearly every way. Many states actually forbid civil unions as part of their constitution. I should know – my state, Wisconsin is one of them.
Your statement is fantasy. Civil Unions do not equal marriage. Read this for more:
http://www.now.org/issues/marriage/marriage_union...
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