Pelosi Health Care Bill: The Worst Bill Ever
by PubliusFrom Wall Street Journal:
Speaker Nancy Pelosi has reportedly told fellow Democrats that she’s prepared to lose seats in 2010 if that’s what it takes to pass ObamaCare, and little wonder. The health bill she unwrapped last Thursday, which President Obama hailed as a “critical milestone,” may well be the worst piece of post-New Deal legislation ever introduced.
In a rational political world, this 1,990-page runaway train would have been derailed months ago. With spending and debt already at record peacetime levels, the bill creates a new and probably unrepealable middle-class entitlement that is designed to expand over time. Taxes will need to rise precipitously, even as ObamaCare so dramatically expands government control of health care that eventually all medicine will be rationed via politics.
Yet at this point, Democrats have dumped any pretense of genuine bipartisan “reform” and moved into the realm of pure power politics as they race against the unpopularity of their own agenda. The goal is to ram through whatever income-redistribution scheme they can claim to be “universal coverage.” The result will be destructive on every level—for the health-care system, for the country’s fiscal condition, and ultimately for American freedom and prosperity.
•The spending surge. The Congressional Budget Office figures the House program will cost $1.055 trillion over a decade, which while far above the $829 billion net cost that Mrs. Pelosi fed to credulous reporters is still a low-ball estimate. Most of the money goes into government-run “exchanges” where people earning between 150% and 400% of the poverty level—that is, up to about $96,000 for a family of four in 2016—could buy coverage at heavily subsidized rates, tied to income. The government would pay for 93% of insurance costs for a family making $42,000, 72% for another making $78,000, and so forth.
At least at first, these benefits would be offered only to those whose employers don’t provide insurance or work for small businesses with 100 or fewer workers. The taxpayer costs would be far higher if not for this “firewall”—which is sure to cave in when people see the deal their neighbors are getting on “free” health care. Mrs. Pelosi knows this, like everyone else in Washington.
Even so, the House disguises hundreds of billions of dollars in additional costs with budget gimmicks. It “pays for” about six years of program with a decade of revenue, with the heaviest costs concentrated in the second five years. The House also pretends Medicare payments to doctors will be cut by 21.5% next year and deeper after that, “saving” about $250 billion. ObamaCare will be lucky to cost under $2 trillion over 10 years; it will grow more after that.
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AMSICK.
The new Health Care Bill, brought to US, courtesy of Madame Nancy Pelosi, and Sir Harry Reid.
In the past, men could say more, and mean more in two pages, than Nancy could do in two thousand.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1644...
In the past, men could say more, and mean more in two pages, than Nancy could do in two thousand.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1644...
Nothing this Democrat from California makes much sense. Again, she is a Democrat from California which explains all. Reid, Baucus, Pelosi………NEXT!
And yet. What are the consequences of doing nothing?
The cost of health insurance has DOUBLED in 8 years while incomes have stagnated. Even the health insurance lobbyists do not dispute that these trends will continue. Our health care costs far more than any other industrialized nation, we live less than most industrialized countries, and still you claim "there is no problem"
Every single person reading this is one serious family illness away from bankruptcy. In fact, medical emergencies are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the United States.
Republicans and conservatives had so many years to fix a broken system. All we got was Terry Schaivo'w law and unfunded medicare part D, adding 10 Trillion to the deficiet over 10 years.
You could have done it your way. Now we are at the breaking point, conservatives failed to act. So it's gonna be done the progressive way.
If are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem!
Queen Nancy Pelosi reportedly ordered Capitol Hill police to block a GOP staffer from attending the Speaker’s public option announcement on Capitol Hill.
Transparency, schmansparency:
Power to the people!
As always, sunlight is the best disinfectant.
do you have an apparent problem with democracy?
scott,
A medical emergency? One serious emergency away from bankruptcy?
Is that what would call CIT's filing for bankruptcy, after receiving several billion in TARP funds last year? Is that a medical emergency?
You do have some valid points though. If you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Consequently, government is not the solution, government is the problem.
Be afraid, I am!!! Dems could ram it thru…
Yeah, just like Congress actually wrote the stimulus bill.
oh, wait, they didn't. their special interest, communist and terrorist loving friends at the Apollo Alliance did.
"A medical emergency"
62% of all personal bankruptcies in the U.S. in 2007 were caused by health problems—and 78% of those filers had insurance
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/conte...
It is obvious that Dems and Reps priorities are 1) party, 2) power, 3) deep pockets, and if there is room 4) people.
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well, well, well…..at least you are trying to make sense out of a 1990 page bill, that should be reduced to no more than 10 pages, excluding all the ammendments, add-ons and pork for each of the 500+ in Congress…..everyone wants their one special interests page included. But, the reality is Hospitals are closing faster than you can blink, since providers only get about 90% for Medicare and 70% for Medicaid services provided…. Doctors are also getting squeezed. Thus, the greater number of patients getting OBAMACARE… WILL ONLY REDUCE REVENUE PER PATIENT, AND SQUEEZE OPERATING MARGINS…THUS ACCELERATING EVEN MORE FUTURE HOSPITAL CLOSURES OR BANKRUPTCIES. MAKE SENSE?? Also, as we see healthcare quality go down, fewer hospitals left to care for patients, and watch many Doctors retire or quit…..you might have to wait 6 months for that MRI or breast exam, or prostate biopsy?? BUT, by then, you might become terminal. hmmm, hmmmm, hmmmmm
As a small busines owner, I provide my employees a Cadiallac plan, but if we will be taxed for giving employees healthcare….than I would be better off to just pay the 8% payroll tax for Obamacare, and let my employees feel th pain so they can vote these Marxsists out in the next election cycle.
Sunlight as a disenfectant?
The Solution to Pollution is Dilution.
Dark storm clouds are gathering on the horizon and a storm is brewing. It is unusual though, that we have all the colors of the rainbow, before the storm.
The red's of the ACORN uniforms.
The purple's of the SEIU uniforms.
The blacks' of the New Black Panther Party Uniforms.
The pink's of the Code Pinko gals uniforms.
The green's of the Van Jones green movement.
All mixed together and brought to US courtesy of Yellow Journalism……….
It is a veritable cornucopia of Jessie Jacksons dream, a true RAINBOW COALITION.
Is it just me, or is Nancy Pelosi starting to look more and more like Marty Feldman
If you read the bill and applied some common sense you'd realize that it's a lie from the word go.
well, if it's something you disagree with, that's kinda the whole point of voting. that's democracy in action. Are you coming out and saying you oppose the Constitution?
I'm fine with the outcome, though your inflammatory rhetoric is a bit absurd.
NOPE.
Just have a problem with hand outs, freebies and entitlements.
Hmmm.
It all comes down to personal responsibility. Perhaps they need to tighten up a bit on the Bankruptcy Regulations…………
The results of tomorrow's elections will send shockwaves throughout the country. Ms. Pelosi may not worry about her status as Queen of San Fran, but if she thinks other dems will take a bullet to help get her NancyCare passed she is more delusional than Harry Reid on a bad day.
I have no problem with representative democracy.
I have a problem with people who SWORE and OATH to uphold the Constitution of MY United States of American, and then going behind closed doors and releasing stuff at 3am for a vote at 8am – PURPOSELY undermining that very same Constitution.
But from your posts, you don't seem to have a problem with that, do you?
Frankly, I think she looks like Jackie Mason.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR4Ea8EQoG0&fe...
But Jackie at least is funny, and tells the truth…………..
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Scott Z-you're ignorant! If you think graduate students will go into a profession only guaranteeing them an "exsistance." Not to mention that the healthcare profession has a higher rate of workplace injury than construction workers. All healthcare professions require continuing educational credits to keep licensure-those costs are not generally paid for by the employer-except for nursing asst's. Under Obamacare they (nursing asst's) might just as well work in fast food because they'll have the "same"benefits! Why risk getting injured for life as a medical professional? Not to mention-you and your so-called PROGRESSIVES-Catholic hospitals will LOCK their doors. They will NOT provide government funded abortions on demand. All of these issues resulting in a WAITING LINE! Healthcare you'll pay through the nose for and have minimal access to!
looking over the 2000 pages, i do not see any Obamacare provision for the 2,500 babies (unborn US citizens) that are aborted each day in America. Who is looking out for their healthcare?? Don't these US citizens deserve their right to free healthcare too?…. especially before we provide free healthcare to illegal aliens???
Where is the fainess, the justice??? for those that can't speak for themselves??? I would support Obamacare more, if they would simply address this one single issue, and stop killing innocent babies before they get a chance to vote. Oh….I guess that's why they don't mind killing 2,500 babies a day….they can't vote.
the majority are responsible people who mostly have insurance, pay insurance premiums then get in to car accidents, get cancer, extended hospitalizations, etc. and are denied proper coverage.
i don't know what on earth personal responsibility has to do with this?
Every single person reading this is one serious family illness away from bankruptcy. In fact, medical emergencies are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the United States.
Prove it!
Scott_z – Very few people are saying there isn't a problem, but the lib media has helped dems blow it way out of proportion, and run with the "you haven't tried to do anything, now we're 'forced' to put it in government control" line.
First off, you mis-use the word conservative. Conservatives haven't been in power since Reagan. The repubs in congress have been part of the problem, and most conservatives will admit that without blinking an eye. All dems are doing now is what the repubs were doing but at a much faster rate.
As far as the problem goes, do you have any idea why our health insurance costs are so high? How about addressing Tort reform (which dems refuse to do) which will drastically lower medical costs? How about allowing across state line competition, just to begin?
What's amazing is that you use the cost of health insurance as your main arguing point, when govt. run health care isn't even trying to address the cost issues.
Does it make you feel better when the government takes the money out of your back pocket instead of the front? It must.
Lastly, regarding your statement: "Every single person reading this is one serious family illness away from bankruptcy. In fact, medical emergencies are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the United States."
You come off as a looney toon that can't stop drinking the cool-aid. You do realize that nearly every business provided health insurance, covering over 3/4 of Americans, has annual caps on out of pocket expenses right? There is a reason that 87% of the country is happy with their health insurance!!
You're completely spouting a falacy! Every single person reading this article is not one serious family illness away from bankruptcy! Where on earth did you get that idea? Because someone told you to believe that? You sir, just like many other liberals, amaze me with your lack of knowledge. Most of us, if we got cancer tomorrow, would be completely covered past a very reasonable annual cap.
I admire the concern always pouring out of your liberal hearts, but the fact that you can spout ideal after ideal without a care for how it will affect our country is truly sad.
You know who will be affected the worst by the 5.4% tax increase to the "wealthy" with this bill? Small Business.
You know who creates the most jobs in this country? Yep, Small Business. When you take 5.4% more out of the owners of small business' pockets, it's going to do anything but help this country. It will hurt in many, many ways.
no….no….no…..more like she just got a proctology exam from one of her PINK friends
You sound like you are koolaide drunk
This bill is not the solution therefore you are part of the problem.
"Republicans and conservatives had so many years to fix a broken system" . . . you make a common yet understandable mistake. We true conservatives will no longer be controlled and manipulated by the "Republican Party" machine. To understand this look at Doug Hoffman in the NY election. We need health care reform, but common sense reform. Party politics has been disastrous for this country.
Can you honestly say you're happy with congress right now? Do you really think the Reps have caused most of the problems? We need to clean up both sides of the isle. We need REAL change.
Nancy Pelosi = aerosmith lead singer in drag
yeah, not many people vote for representatives on the platform of "I'll have the Apollo Alliance write the bill, then i won't read it, and then i'll vote for it." That sure is democracy in action. That sounds more like corruption, to me.
And what is my inflammatory rhetoric? The FACTS? oh, those pesky facts and videos of people in their own words. how inflammatory. how awful! we wouldn't want to call a spade a spade, now would we?
scott-Z = DoJ agitation squad
Stimulus was a bill to fund re-election campaigns for Dems and to pay off those who had bet the farm getting Dems elected in 2008.
Cap and Trade is a bill to impoverish the middle-class and energy/industry companies to make them more "pliable", along with providing a buy off so that when there is a socialist rollover of the Constitution, they can claim legitimacy with the world from paying it forward.
This healthcare bill is a big government effort to create a huge number of government positions to fill with Dem cronies who will then be dependent on its continuation through liberal votes.
Dems don't give a flying hoot about people … just power.
She’s got that Charlie Manson stare down. Just put a swastika in here forehead and wa…la!
I learned recently that this was the exact method used to charter the Federal Reserve. The bill had been shot down. The conspirators waited until December 23rd. Congress was not formally recessed but almost all of the congressmen had gone home for the holiday. The ones who stayed behind did so for the specific purpose of getting their bill passed. Woodrow Wilson signed it and gave the government the ability to run up the huge debt we have today. Or something like that…
From a contributor to Jeff Schreiber's America's Right Blog:
'One other thing. People need to understand that simply reading the 1,900 pages in the new bill doesn’t even come close to quantifying the number of pages of laws people would need to read in order to get the full picture. Every time one of these bills makes reference to some other law, unless a reader goes to that other law and examines exactly what that law says, it is difficult if not impossible to understand what exactly the bill incorporating and referencing it is proposing.
I’ve not tried to ascertain how many additional pages of laws so incorporated and referenced one would need to read to get a clear picture, but my guess would be at least ten times as many pages as the host bill. Therefore, in order to understand what the Pelosi bill really means, instead of 2,000 pages or so, you should be prepared to read roughly 20,000 pages of already-existing law. In 72 hours before the vote, of course. And, barring a 400-page amendment dropped at the last moment, you'll be done.
Bottom line, though, is that this bill is an absolute wonderland of horrors. If it passes, America as we know it is in a world of trouble.'
http://www.americasright.com/2009/10/erisa-deal-i...
So much for thinking Pelosi was a witch.
It's vampires that go down in flames when exposed to sunlight.
And more handouts !!! I like the word so it could sell easier "SafeLink" – and it's FREE !!! Really?
https://www.safelinkwireless.com/EnrollmentPublic...
"Every single person reading this is one serious family illness away from bankruptcy." you have absolutely no factual or statistical basis for making this ridiculous, bald-faced assertion. not only does it not lend any credence to your argument, the fact that it is so utterly unsupportable completely undermines the credibility of anything else you may have to say.
for all you know, some of the people reading this may be multi-millionaires, or even billionaires, for whom a serious illness may be a personal tragedy, but would be barely a blip in their financial status.
but thanks for making it so easy to weed you out as someone who is not to be taken seriously.
The problem is the lack of personal repsonsibility. It is not up to 86% of insured Americans that are happy with their insurance to pay for everyone else. It is not up to the elderly to give up their last years because some lazy parasite demands that the "government" owes them healthcare. If you want health insurance do like everyone else and buy it. This is coming from someone who could get disability but refused because I don't want to leach off of other hard working Americans. I am only 25 and still work construction 6 days a week to pay the bills. Personal responsibily is where it all begins not the Americans paying their taxes. So that the CONgress can setup social security, medicare, medicaid…and all the other entitlement programs that insist that the government should take taxpayers money and delegate it to future voters.
I just ran the numbers to see what this bill will cost me due to one change. I max out my FSA every year which is 5200. My wife and I file jointly and claim 110 if income. Because of the reduction of Flexible Spending Account to a max of 2500 tax exempt dollars a year this will cost me an additional 1016.55 of taxes per year.
FSA is
http://www.asiflex.com/Calculator/Tax-Savings-Cal...
Obama can't control small business – we'll he will through healtcare – this is why he will not help them…
Thanks Roosevelt, you prick. You got the ball rolling. Now "cash for clunkers" are you serious? Every patriot should ask themselves "How did this happen?" It might as well be "needles for junkies"…oh wait, already got that one. Hey, maybe we could import underaged children for pedaphiles…well, we have "government funding" for that also. Here we go tax fattening foods but when queers can not hold in their own feces anymore, we will have taxpayers pay for their rectal surgery…oh wait "obamacare" will cover that also. What a great idea get rid of personal responsibility and setup more entitlement ponzii schemes. Cubacare anyone? Hmm..Hmm..Hmm Barack Hussien Obama. God Bless America!
Many are self inflicted also…such as seizures caused by mixing drugs.
hey, hey, hey! be nice- rumor has it that Steven Tyler is actually somewhat conservative. and what did he ever do to you, anyway?
(but you make a good point. whenever i see his daughter, Liv Tyler, i always wonder how insanely gorgeous her mom must be if she's that pretty with a dad like that…)
again. 62% of all personal bankruptcies in the U.S. in 2007 were caused by health problems—and 78% of those filers HAD insurance. I don't think you are reading very well.
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/conte...
"I am only 25 and still work construction 6 days a week to pay the bills. "
congrats, here's your gold star. i work too, but I generally don't feel the need to brag about being employed…
Nancy Pelosi (more specifically the actual authors of this bill) intentionally left tort reform out of the bill. The reason? They didn't want to piss off the trial attoryneys who donate huge amounts of dough to the democrats. Howard Dean said so himself and he's probably wishing he hadn't.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/b...
Any informed person knows that tort reform is one of the top three strategies that can be used which would lead to responsible, free americans being able to afford their own health care.
I don't think there is a thinking person in this country who does not want to see health care reformed. But what you are suggesting, Scott, is that we allow the criminals who screwed it up in the first place to now come in and fix it. And we can now see from the first two drafts of their bill that they have no intention of fixing the problem but are trying to further fleece the American citizenry.
Scott, you are rooting for the bad guys.
Nancy Pelosi (more specifically the actual authors of this bill) intentionally left tort reform out of the bill. The reason? They didn't want to piss off the trial attoryneys who donate huge amounts of dough to the democrats. Howard Dean said so himself and he's probably wishing he hadn't.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/b...
Any informed person knows that tort reform is one of the top three strategies that can be used which would lead to responsible, free americans being able to afford their own health care.
I don't think there is a thinking person in this country who does not want to see health care reformed. But what you are suggesting, Scott, is that we allow the criminals who screwed it up in the first place to now come in and fix it. And we can now see from the first two drafts of their bill that they have no intention of fixing the problem but are trying to further fleece the American citizenry.
Scott, you are rooting for the bad guys.
Can we at least hope – that w/this bill…she can get a new plastic surgeon?
"You could have done it your way."
What is MY way? Do you seriously think that everyone against THIS health care doesn't want some type of reform? Who ever said DOING NOTHING was the answer?
The progressive way? And what way is that? Ram it down everyones throat and then choke on it until EVERYONE dies from waiting in line?
Do the "so called" Progressives even think of opening the state borders to sell Insurance across state lines?
No. And why is that? Get rid of the regulations and government intervention so "people" can lower the health care costs through the FREE MARKET. There's an idea.
"life span is shorter" And did you continue with the reading? No? Check out the QUALITY OF LIFE, then we can discuss it.
cowboy logic for president!
It might be hard to repeal but it's not impossible. In 2012 it coudl be wiped out with the stroke of pen since most of it doesnt kick in until 2013 anyway.
As far as Pelosi and the other usual suspects, well it's going to take a constituional convention to shut the leftist nuts down, and 2012 seems like a good time for that, by then America will most likely be headed for ash heap, but with the right leader it can be recovered.
If Obama steals an election in 2012 the majority of small businesses should just shut down and flee the country, leave the beggars to their own devices, I figure the corrupticians can last 2-4 years max and then the country will collapse and resettlement can begin
Half joking, but it's that other half that has me worried
scott,
Yes, indeed you do work, and you've just been BUSTED!
All last week you were here on second shift. Today you had a shift change and showed up bright and early this morning. Then you disappeared, and took an hour off for lunch, from 12:00-1:00. I just sat here and watched. You just showed up again, right after your lunch hour. Hows that for TRANSPARENT?
'Fess up scotty, what libtard group is paying you………..?
If you can't make it to DC this Thursday, consider sponsoring someone who can go in your place! I just listened to the Glenn Beck show and buses from MN and Ohio are going! I send one organization enough to cover the cost of someone going in my place! $125! and it covered bus and hotel
Scott-
This isn't about healthcare for Pelosi. If it was, there would be one bill directly going after the problem. The fact that there have been multiple bills introduced, testing the water, then scrapped when it becomes evident that it won't pass, shows they are just trying to pass anything that will get their foot in the door of healthcare. If you believe Pelosi honestly cares about yours or my family, you are sadly mistaken.
Joe, I will not sit by as you insult the late Marty Feldman. She looks more like a badger receiving shock treatment therapy.
"at least you are trying to make sense out of a 1990 page bill, that should be reduced to no more than…"
the anti-intellectual current sweeping conservatism is absolutely shocking.
Bills on complex issues must be no more than x pages? Sarah Palin for President? No global warming? Creationism in schools?
ALmost 2000 pages! Hmm, I wonder what GARBAGE they are hiding in a document that to quote one of the imbeciles on Capitol Hill asked, "They expect us to read the bill?". By his own admission, it is too complicated, convoluded, and probably UNCONSTITUTIONAL too. TIME TO DRAIN THE SWAMP NANCY! Start with yourself, and take Maxine, Barbara, Diane, Harry, Chuck, Dick, Chris, and the rest of the clowns with you.
I hope a great many Democrats take a good hard look at how their own supposed 'speaker' views them. They are nothing but expendable pawns to be sacrificed so long as she gets what she wants -regardless of the personal price they may pay. It is so very fitting that it was a pimp and hooker setup that finally blew the lid off what is going on. Pelosi just showed here true colors for all to see, they are those of a pimp putting her boots on other lowly congresscritters so they do her bidding and enrich her evil ways.
Democrats would do themselves a huge favor if they removed her as the Speaker of the House right now.
I generally set my own hours, as long as I put in an honest 40 and exceed my deadlines I am fine.
thanks for stalking me though, crazy insane internet guy.
Agreed, kdj. The health care reform "urgency" is a scare tactic and a distraction from the real agenda.
Further evidence of Democrats kickin' ass and taking names. YEEEEHAAAAWWWW!!!:
PRISTINA, Kosovo – Thousands of ethnic Albanians braved low temperatures and a cold wind in Kosovo's capital Pristina to welcome former President Bill Clinton on Sunday as he attended the unveiling of an 11-foot (3.5-meter) statue of himself on a key boulevard that also bears his name.
Clinton is celebrated as a hero by Kosovo's ethnic Albanian majority for launching NATO's bombing campaign against Yugoslavia in 1999 that stopped the brutal Serb forces' crackdown on independence-seeking ethnic Albanians.
This is his first visit to Kosovo since it declared independence from Serbia last year.
Many waved American, Albanian and Kosovo flags and chanted "USA!" as the former president climbed on top of a podium with his poster in the background reading "Kosovo honors a hero."
Some peeked out of balconies and leaned on window sills to get a better view of Clinton from their apartment blocks.
To thunderous applause Clinton waved to the crowd as the red cover was pulled off from the statue.
The statue is placed on top of a white-tiled base, in the middle of a tiny square, surrounded by communist-era buildings.
"I never expected that anywhere, someone would make such a big statue of me," Clinton said of the gold-sprayed statue weighing a ton (900 kilograms).
He also addressed Kosovo's 120-seat assembly, encouraging them to forgive and move on from the violence of the past.
The statue portrays Clinton with his left arm raised and holding a portfolio bearing his name and the date when NATO started bombing Yugoslavia, on March. 24, 1999.
An estimated 10,000 ethnic Albanians were killed during the Kosovo crackdown and about 800,000 were forced out of their homes. They returned home after NATO-led peacekeepers moved in following 78 days of bombing.
Leta Krasniqi, an ethnic Albanian, said the statue was the best way to express the ethnic Albanians' gratitude for Clinton's role in making Kosovo a state.
"This is a big day," Krasniqi, 25 said. "I live nearby and I'm really excited that I will be able to see the statue of such a big friend of ours every day."
Clinton last visited Kosovo in 2003 when he received an honorary university degree. His first visit was in 1999 — months after some 6,000 U.S. troops were deployed in the NATO-led peacekeeping mission here.
Some 1,000 American soldiers are still based in Kosovo as part of NATO's 14,000-strong peacekeeping force.
Police in Kosovo upped security measures ahead of Bill Clinton's arrival by adding deploying more traffic police and special police.
NATO officials said the peacekeepers were also on alert, although no additional security measures were taken.
Hey, this is not democracy, this is a blatant power/revenue grab being shoved through Congress without any oversight by any congressional watchdogs that are non-partisan. Not to mention the Dems are excluding ALL Repub imput in the matter, much less their center left colleagues.
"Any informed person knows that tort reform"
agreed. as DNC chairman even said, he wanted it but the sad truth of the matter is that going up against trial lawyers AND health insurance lobby would never happen in today's environment.
too much money spread across BOTH sides of the aisle.
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/conte...
If someone told me today that the country was going to be divided in two – lefties on one side, righties on the other, I'd pack my bags NOW. I prefer to live out west but I'll take whichever side the righties get. The government has gone INSANE.
Republican sponsored health care reform bills, you know, the one's that Pelosi-Reid-Obama and the lying progressives claim don't exist: H.R. 77, H.R 109, H.R.198, H.R. 270, H.R.321, H.R. 464, H.R. 502, H.R.544, H.R. 917, H.R. 1086, H.R. 1118, H.R.1441, H.R. 1458, H.R.1468, H.R.1658, H.R. 1891, H.R.2520, H.R.2607, H.R.2692, H.R.2784, H.R.2785, H.R.2787, H.R.3141, H.R.3217, H.R.3218, H.R.3356, H.R.3372, H.R.3400, H.R.3438, H.R.3454, H.R.3478. Not all of these bills are great, but several of them focus on tort reform and opening interstate commerce for insurance, and they do it in far less than 2,000 pages.
"Reps have caused most of the problems"
inaction on health care. war in iraq. biggest tax cuts in history during times of relative economic prosperity, 90% of which went to the wealthiest 1%. Medicare part D.
yup.
care to refute?
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/conte...
Oh i do for sure. I am telling you this. Partiotic Americans can no longer tolerate this corrupition in any party, Palin for president 2012 (Liberitarian). Now that new George Washington can win the Presidency stand "Reagan conservatism!"
So instead of actually doing what would FIX a lot of the problems, it's better for them to create this BOONDOGGLE that will make it worse? So you agree they should all be put in jail for treason for ALLOWING a LOBBY group to decide for them – and NOT the VOTERS – what to do?
But then you keep defending them when the do go against who they are SUPPOSE to represent and keep doing what the $$$$ lobbyists want them to?
So which is it? Do what's RIGHT even though it will be against those who give them perks? or go against those that continue to bribe them with perks and money? Which side are you arguing in this hour?
1900 pages vs. 1 sentence to address health care reform.
Tort Reform and allow consumers to purchase health insurance across state lines.
Won’t cost the American tax payers a dime and will substantially lower health care costs.
I have come to believe that our government is made up of self serving elitists who have lost all their values and common sense. It doesn’t matter which party they claim to represent…They only represent themselves and their special interest groups/lobbyists. The American people have not been their priority for many years.
"You do realize that nearly every business provided health insurance, covering over 3/4 of Americans, has annual caps on out of pocket expenses right?"
you do realize that if they lose their jobs, downsized, or become too sick to work, or have a "pre-existing condition", or denied coverage for a myriad of procedural, sometimes false, or fine print issues they lose it all right?
Medical costs are the leading cause of bankruptcies in the US. and the vast majority of those, people were happy with their health insurance until they needed it.
in other words, there's not a problem, till there's a problem.
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/conte...
Hope the dimwits learn soon that Pelosi is not their friend. She is selling them down the big toilet bowl to gain only what she wants. She doesn't care what they think; only what she thinks. She is their "Boss from Hell".
With any luck, the Ol' Slickster will find himself a fat Jew girl with a blue dress, and stay in Kosovo. After Hillary, makin' bacon for Bill is as natural as breathin'…………..
stay classy, biggovernment.com
stay classy, biggovernment.com!
How about using some common sense. Why don't those people have $20k saved up in the BANK for emergencies? Did they maybe OVERSPEND in every OTHER part of their lives so that they didn't have an emergency fund?
It's pretty sad that you can't actually READ the story you keep linking and realize that it was BAD prior money decisions that CAUSED those people to have to claim bankruptcy, and NOT that "one medical" incident.
What a tool.
"treason"
nothing you describe comes close to fitting that bill, you nutcase insane internet man.
"$20k saved up in the BANK for emergencies?"
yeah. people need savings for emergencies. but the cost of a single traumatic medical event is far, far, far above most people's annual salary.
"t it was BAD prior money decisions that CAUSED"
that is simply NOT what the article states:
"For middle-class Americans, health insurance offers little protection. Most of us have policies with so many loopholes, co-payments, and deductibles that illness can put you in the poorhouse," said lead author Himmelstein. "Unless you're Warren Buffett, your family is just one serious illness away from bankruptcy."
I can tell you this – I had a baby born 2 months prematurely. I think we could safely classify that as a "serious family illness", or at least a true medical emergency. My child spent some serious time in neonatal intensive care, and the total cost was in the neighborhood of $150,000. And guess what? My insurance paid everything but our deductible.
So, in my case, the insurance we work hard to pay for did exactly what it was supposed to do – paid for our medical emergency without bankrupting us. Why don't we focus on reforms that would allow that to happen for everyone rather than the garbage congress is spewing?
Scott z….do you really believe the government can run an efficient health care program? They cannot even run the programs they have now without massive fraud. Thanks, but no thanks…I don’t want my hard earned money going to any more government ran programs…I’ll save for my emergencies.
She actually looks more and more like Martin Short http://rookery2.viary.com/storagev12/886000/88600...
Obama’Care’? No.
Health CONTROL — that is his goal.
Medical emergencies having an effect on personal bankruptcy is a far cry from "every single person" being one illness away from bankruptcy. A does NOT equal B.
Try a little logic next time.
Someone check "Scott Z's" IP address. I think he is writing from Pelosi's office.
Better check your facts on that study you keep touting!
"The statistic that we think is most reliable is the percentage of people who say medical bills were the reason for their bankruptcy, and that number is 29 percent."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statement...
Better check your facts on that study you keep touting!
"The statistic that we think is most reliable is the percentage of people who say medical bills were the reason for their bankruptcy, and that number is 29 percent."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statement...
read the article and the study. indeed, nearly every single American of near average income, with average savings, is one catastrophic illness away from bankruptcy.
that's precisely what the study finds. try a little reading next time.
"Do the "so called" Progressives even think of opening the state borders to sell Insurance across state lines? "
1) that would create a run to the lowest common denominator of care. Just like all credit card companies are found in one zip code in NJ, all health insurance co's would run to the state that is most favorable to THEIR terms… i.e. least favorable to you and I, the consumer. that's a bad thing for us.
2) that would also easily exhaust the pool of healthy consumers. You'd have "tier 1" insurance for healthy 18-35 year olds, and non competitive, expensive, and spotty coverage for the elderly, and sick.
scott… so end the lesson you immature, googler, electronic game kid….instead of studying about history…….. you played some bullshit electronic grab ass game…..now you are finding out just what life for real is all about. did you see how easy you were found out……
"QUALITY OF LIFE"
europe dominates in most studies I can find.
That was funny……….
scott shot up you never had a job long enough to get health insurance,the $20k.BS, your lucking to have 20 bucks from your mommy, yea scott we know you still live with mommy……
the worst bill ever from the Worst Politician ever…
Sounds like symmetry to us. Perhaps even the San Francisco Gay Mafia will even be hurt by this abomination.
At some point even the Kool Aid connoseurs of the Bay Area will spit this particulalry noxious bureaucrat out.
You neve know…
Pretty obvious, wouldn't you say so? Patently transparent. He left quick,,,,,,,,,,
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