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Tags: Sen. John Kyl, Sen. Max Baucus, Sen. Olympia Snowe
Posted Oct 14th 2009 at 4:45 am in Congress |
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I am calling to all of you freedom-loving Americans to come once again to Washington D.C. to gather at upper Senate Park, across from the Capitol on Saturday, at 12 o’clock noon. We must come by the thousands. Speaker Pelosi will stop at nothing to fulfill her...





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Typical rino hack
The "American". The last endangered species.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/1574...
“The American” is officially on the list of endangered species today, and unless we do something to save this vital species quickly, freedom will exist nowhere on earth. Doubt this statement for even a second, at your own peril!After 232 years of unparalleled freedom, liberty and prosperity, the United States of America is on the brink of collapse. Yes, in part due to evil political forces who long ago sold their souls for an ounce of wealth and power, pushing the nation into a corner to further their quest for even more power—but to a larger degree, due to the decline of the American spirit from sea to shining sea."
I wonder, is this due to the "Hopey-Changey-Opaquely-Transparency-Thingey" that The One had planned?
Can you believe that 14 congress people voted for a law that coerces the people of the US into signing a contract with an insurance company THEY have partnered up with? You would think that a congressperson would at least know what rights we have, maybe they just forgot that little "contract" right? I know there are only a couple hundred years of contract law that says if you are forced to sign a contract it is unenforceable and the person(s) doing the forcing are guilty of extortion? I voluntier to be the SCOTUS test case 'cause they are going to have to send me to jail every year when I refuse to pay their bullsquat fine.
You promise if I vote yes on this I get one night with Harry Reid, right ?
I borrowed this, it fits:
"Let me get this straight.
We're going to pass a health care plan
written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,
passed by a Congress that hasn't read it but exempts themselves from it,
signed by a president that also hasn't read it, and who smokes,
with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes,
overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and
financed by a country that's nearly broke.
What possibly could go wrong?"
I am just wondering why I dont see a whole slew of people Calling for Bertha lewis To resign. With all that has happened on her watch where are the Liberals who allways say they are looking out for the little guy… They are sure not looking out for 13 year old girls being forced into Protitution…. Maybe Bertha Lewis is completely Inocent of what other people in her oganization are doing, But reguardless as the CEO, she is accountable for anything that happens on her watch.
Is this leagal? Is it?
Acorn has admitted that it needs to clean house, Right??? I say they need to start at the top and work their way down…. I am a Chemical Operations Specialist in the US Army, And take it from me. When you want to decontaminate(clean) something you allways start at the top…… If you dont then the corruption just runs back down to the place you allready cleaned…….
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Have you seen her whole speech about why she voted? 11 minutes of nonsense: http://bit.ly/1aqMDb
But, hey.. When History Calls.. History Calls.
Well said brother!!!!!!!!!
Sell out. When is she going to put a "D" after her name? It is only a matter of time.
Who's running against Snowe in the next Maine Republican senatorial primary? If I find out, I'm going to send a contribution, even if it is JoJo the Chimp.
Interestingly, big media has now transformed this topic into a happy, go-lucky romp through bi-partisan land. Can anybody tell me where to find the reset button, this program is encountering fatal execution errors…
Sen. Snowe has repeatedly voted against the people recently in the Senate. It is time the people voted against her. She has cemeted my vote as I will be funding her opponent in the next election for her. She is a disgrace and is not looking out for the American people.
She can't feel this important if she votes against it.
She is the poster child for every slimy opportunist that cozies up to whomever appears to have the upper hand at the time. Rotten through and through; you can see it on her face.
Why did she abandon the Republican's health care reform plan? You know the one Republican's had where you couldn't sue the doctors and the corporate insurers would regulate themselves a little bit more because the virtues of the corporate free market are pure and the only measure by which to determine our nation's quality of life. Why didn't Snowe favor her party's well versed bill? Traitor.
I think Maine has recieved a Snowe job.
I agree. Then again. I proves all too eloquently that the parties are irrelevant. They stand for nothing more than facilitating their personal agendas rather than serving the citizens. They are no better than today's unions that force you to pay dues so they can buy off politicians. They help ensure you get "fair" compensation only to demand a share. These "leaders" don't do anything unless there is something in it for them. Surely Snowe was promised something in return for her "flexibility" at such a crucial moment. There's just enough going on in the news, or expected to be, to help create that all too necessary smoke screen that they can work behind.
Hey Chemical Operations Specialist! You get free health care on my tax dollar? Room and board, clothing and food too? The US military is the most socialist microcosm of our society and it floors me when US Federal GOVERNMENT employees start talking trash about BIG GOVERNMENT.
I love your sense of humor. Right on!
Excellent Cowboy!
Being that this site is mostly about the ubiquitous presence of ACORN, I wonder how they are involved in Snowe's socialism induced lobotomy?
"And let me be clear about this" does not that count for we the people seeing what is happening? Every time there is a speech about any topic that is all the clarity we get. Well "let's be clear about it" we are in trouble.
ooooooo you evil!
Video parody: Senators answer call of history, say wazzup! http://optoons.blogspot.com/2009/10/senators-bold...
What amazes me is that the house,senate and the president think that what they are doing is constitutional. ITS NOT! Why isnt anyone saying that? Why isnt anyone shouting out that its unconstitutional and they shouldnt be doing any of this at all!! Snowe is an idiot! Listen to her speak! This is the best that Maine has to represent them? Sad… its a sad, sad day for America.
Code Pink, undercover
Good move Whitehosue to go after Fox… and tell Anita to get a hair dooo makeover
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Like "free" public education this health care bill is also unconstitutional.
well remember the libs also back the sic roman polanski take it from there
im alreadt trying to find out myself
She's not up unitl 2012 – It may be too late by then but she needs to go …..
http://www.voteoncongress.com/
huh? oooh there's the bong over there
And the VA hospitals are proof of how government run health care will work.
When healthcare is free it will be more expensive than ever.
Public healthcare would be substandard and expensive just like every other publicly funded service.
Think public schools, USPS vs UPS and FedEx, DMV, etc.
Gee, I wonder why there are so many vets still going to the VA if corporate care is so much better and accessible. Vets DO have a choice, no one is holding a gun to their heads and marching them up the steps to the VA hospital.
Mr. James, Your ignorance is showing. As if the men and women of the United States Military are some sort of welfare recipients? Shame on you! You obviously never served in the Armed Forces. You have no idea of the courage and sacrifice involved in military service. You sir, should count your blessings given to you by the sacrifice of generations of people who have served in the military, both during war and in peacetime. In fact, your silly post proves my point. Freedom of speech is guaranteed in the 1st amendment, but it's the blood,sweat and tears of the American Soldier/Marine/Airman/Sailor that protects that god given right.
Brendan D.
U.S. Army Combat Medic
Desert Storm Vet
Yeah pretty foreign concepts for conservatives who drink the right-wing bong water that claims that the dirty po' people consume all your hard earned labor fruits.
http://wallstats.com/deathandtaxes/
You are absolutely, positively right! You can't take 1/6th of the economy, remake it in the Government's image, and not get disastrous unintended consequences. GOVERNMENT IS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!
"You have no idea of the courage and sacrifice involved in military service." Psyop specialist 1989-1995. War is a racket my friend. Yours and my service during desert storm did nothing to preserve the first amendment it was a "war for the free flow of oil at market prices"-Rush Limbaugh. Get over yourself troops. Tt takes 8 troops out of harms way to support one who is. You are not all heroes. It IS a government welfare program for many (recruitment is great right now cause jobs are scarce). I served with a guy who joined for the eyeglasses, couldn't remember his MOS. You can call it what you want but when you server in the US military you are engaged in government run socialism. Just because you risk your life doesn't make it any less socialism.
my last post was censored
Mr. James, I thank you for your service to this country, and your sacrifice. I stand corrected. It's true that it takes a number of "rear echelon" troops to support the men who are actually fighting. But that's the way it works. Great teamwork by the "REMFs" is what makes the United States Military the best trained, best equipped, and best fighting machine in the history of warfare. if there weren't any REMFs, how would the fighters get their "bullets,beans and bandaids"?
However, if it is socialism, why is it an all volunteer military? Why are there ranks and a clear chain of command? If it was socialism, everyone would be mandated to participate and everyone would be equal. Why are there differences in the amount of pay that each rank receives? It is not socialism sir. Not by a longshot.
Snowe is a victorious whore that should be kicked out of the Senate Republican caucus. We don't need anyone like this in the caucus.
This will be unconstitutional. In fact if it even passes and there are already noises that Snowe is going to vote the other way. You will see this taken up before SCOTUS.
Except that Maine has been trending left for years. A lot of Mainers are on the public sector dole.
Socialism is defined by who OWNS the means of production or the service and is empowered with the means to extort that revenue. I have NO choice but to pay the government to defend me. In addition the military takes care of YOUR needs through collectively pooling the extorted revenue. That IS socialism. If it is not then what the Obama administration is proposing for health care isn't socialism either.
Mr. James, The Constitution mandates Congress to pay for the army and navy in Article 1 section 8. And it gives them the power to tax to finance those expenses. Are you saying that the military should solicit donations from the citizens instead of allowing congress to pay with our taxes? The US government is mandated to "Provide for the common defense" in the preamble of the Constitution. How are they to pay for it if not through taxes? You are comparing apples and oranges. The federal government has stepped beyond the scope of their power in providing mandatory healthcare. The reasoning is found in the 10th amendment, it is a power that is reserved for the states or the individual.
Check out Marsh's election in Tennessee. First time a Repub has held a seat in this district in 140 years. The tide is turning.
http://blogs.nashvillescene.com/pitw/2009/10/demo...
I always enjoyed Ruth Buzzi on Laugh-In. Oh wait, she’s in the Supreme Court now.
Open Thread?
Why is nobody screaming about this topic:
Don Imus makes a tounge in cheek comment in what apparently was a senile, senior moment and said "nappy headed ho's" and the ensuing brouhaha cost hime his job and his career. CBS bowed to the pressure of Crazy Al Sharpton and the Right Reverend Jesseeee Jacksonnn and fired his old ass.
Fast forward two years: Chris Matthews, an employee of NBC and MSNBC calls for the murder of Rush Limbaugh, and nobody says a ####### word?
Where is the outrage?
Where is the parity?
Where is the Justice?
Racism? You bet.
That's because they are going to the VA for free. It's one of the benefits of service. You should know that Mr. James.
Hey look! You just discovered that even the founders thought some forms of socialism (a term not coined then) were necessary – like a postal service. At the time it made sense to have a centralized government run postal system. Another form of socialism is the public school system that you or your family members likely participate in. I'm arguing against the absurd rhetoric that allows for cherry picking to vilify certain policies by labeling them "socialism." 8 hour work days and tenement building safety codes were once considered forms of government intrusion and socialism during the previous turn of the century.
Mr. James, I'm arguing that the Fed has no right to interfere in health care. The fact that the fed has stepped beyond their enumerated powers in the past does not justify further intrusion. In fact, it is my belief that programs like federal welfare, medicaid and medicare should not be handled by the federal government and should be declared unconstitutional. Like I said before, any power not enumerated in the constitution to the federal government, should be handled by the states or the individual citizen. (in case you're wondering, I was commenting as Brendan, but now I've registered with the website and I'm now brenpd)
Based on that logic a hungry person will eat the worm infested apple because someone else paid for it instead of reaching into his own pocket to pay for the higher quality apple that tastes better. Um Try an economics course.
Mr. James, I'm arguing that the Fed has no right to interfere in health care. The fact that the fed has stepped beyond their enumerated powers in the past does not justify further intrusion. In fact, it is my belief that programs like federal welfare, medicaid and medicare should not be handled by the federal government and should be declared unconstitutional. Like I said before, any power not enumerated in the constitution to the federal government, should be handled by the states or the individual citizen. (in case you're wondering, I was commenting as Brendan, but now I've registered with the website and I'm now brenpd)
Socialism is when the govt. owns and controls the means of production… It's not socialism when the government provides services, like the postal service, or the military, or law enforcement. The govt. is not producing cars… oh wait. Hmmm. perhaps Mr. Obama and liberal democrats are closet socialists?
I just shared this on my facebook page, so right on!
Mr. James, again, your analogy is comparing apples to oranges.
Bookends.
When healthcare becomes free, freedom will be dead.
When healthcare becomes free, freedom will be DOA.
My thinking on this is someone should drag this in front of the Supremes and quickly get it tossed out on its ear, just past the 2010 elections when the Congress is firmly in the control of conservatives…
Absolutely perfect!
I also shall borrow this, it makes for a marvelous opening statement….
Good.
(_*_)
"I'll get you, my pretty, and your little dog, too…"
Anyone got a house to drop on her? Preferably one in Chris Dodd induced foreclosure?
"any power not enumerated in the constitution to the federal government" The socialism of our National Parks system and federal highways must be quite a bother . So you'll be tearing up your Soc. Security checks and medicare reimbursements once you've been paid back all that you have put into the system (that will likely take place 3 years after you retire)?
I wonder how many people would actually VOLUNTEER for military service if it wasn't for the socialism (centralized free health care, room and board, free meals, you know things not enumerated by the Constitution.) Probably not many.
Another "wise latina" in the SCOTUS, and our goose (along with what's left of the remaining tatters of the Constitution) is pretty much cooked.
One of the earlier James O'Keefe films, (before he hit it big off of ACORN), was taking the little racist speech Flat Sodaminor made about "wise latinas", and switched the words around so that "wise white male" took the primacy position. You should see the Hispanics scream "racist"!
See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrumI6adTvw
But that doesn't matter, you see…she's "properly politically aware and palatable"…
Russians to get guided tours of our nuclear missile sites.
Can't think of witty comment on that.
Here it is… If you don't have health insurance because you say you can't afford it then no matter what obama care does you probably will still not be able to afford it. If you are that broke, a tax credit doesn't do you any good because you don't pay any taxes. If your employer does not provide it, will you be willing to spend your hard earned $ to purchase it? You have not so far so why would you do it with obama care? Unless it would really knock down the cost. So now you are going to fine me if I don't have it…. good luck collecting . You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink….. Now, lets say I am an insurance company. I operate to earn a profit for the shareholders. Now all of a sudden I have to ensure everyone. Well, that's ok, but I still have to make a profit, and since I now will be paying more claims for all the sick people I have insured, I have to do something. So I will have to raise premiums and fees to help cover the cost, but no I can't raise the premiums and fees because Obamacare has set a limit on what we can charge. So…… MMMMmm…… you know we will just get out of the Health insurance Business. What's the use of working if you can't make a profit… So now all those companies that we provided insurance for are now without…. where do those people go… soon no insurer will want to cover anyone….and hence…. single payer is here… don't be fooled with the big plan obama wants.
Typical right wing sentiment
Larry James wrote: "I wonder how many people would actually VOLUNTEER for military service if it wasn't for the socialism (centralized free health care, room and board, free meals, you know things not enumerated by the Constitution.) Probably not many."
some factual corrections to these statements:
~ Their healthcare is not "free." as you state. It is compensation from their employer, just as many of us receive health care insurance from our employers.
~Also, their meals are not "free." Once again, this is compensation for doing their job.
You didn't state this, but another benefit of serving in the military is the opportunity of a college education. These things are not socialism, but "fringe benefits," which many employers use to attract employees. It is inaccurate to compare employees of the United States government with welfare recipients. Doing a job and getting paid for it is not socialism nor is it welfare. I know people who have joined the military to receive health insurance or a college education, but that's what people do in a capitalist system. Many of these benefits were added because people realized that our soldiers were not being compensated fairly for their work and the risk involved in that work.
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