America and Israel: Tick, Tock
by Paul A. RaheWhen the dust has settled, partisan rancor has gone the way of all flesh, and the history of our times gets written sine ira et studio, what will observers say about developments in February and March, 2010. No one really knows, but I will hazard the following guess:

In those days, there was a clock ticking in the background, but no one in Washington seemed to pay it any heed. Nancy Pelosi was in her counting house counting all the votes. Steny Hoyer was exploring whether one could somehow bend the rules so that his colleagues could pass a controversial bill while telling their constituents that they had nothing to do with it. Bart Stupak, caught between the dictates of religious faith and political allegiance, was pondering when and how to sacrifice the former to the latter. And President Barack Obama issued threats to members of his own party in the House of Representatives. All of this was done in pursuit of passing into law a profoundly unpopular bill that promised to bankrupt the country, drive prospective physicians out of the profession, deprive the elderly of Medicare benefits they had paid for long ago, and reduce the quality of medical care for all but those comfortably ensconced within what came to be called the American nomenklatura. There was also material for burlesque. After being accused of sexually harassing the fellows on his staff, one Democratic Congressman attacked the White House Chief of Staff, calling him a “son of the devil’s spawn” and describing in arresting terms the manner in which the man practiced in the shower the ballet steps learned in his days as a bagman for the Daley machine in Chicago. It would have all been quite comic had there not been that clock in the background steadily ticking . . . in a country far away of which the Americans knew little or nothing.
There were, to be sure, other events. In a coordinated effort directed by the President, Joe Biden picked a quarrel with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu; Hillary Clinton vented her spleen against the Israeli government for announcing that it intended in a modest manner to increase the size of a long-established, already sizable, strategically located settlement on the outskirts of Jerusalem; Robert Gibbs snarled and sneered and ran his mouth on a subject about which he knew little or nothing and cared even less; and the President met with the Israeli Prime Minister in circumstances designed to broadcast his disdain to the Arab world. All of this was done with an eye to bringing down a democratically-elected Israeli government and setting the stage for a Middle East settlement between Israel and a Palestinian leader who lacked firm Palestinian support, who would have fallen from power when Hamas seized the Gaza strip had the Israelis not used their checkpoints on the West Bank to thwart Hamas’ operations there, and who was in no position to negotiate any sort of lasting agreement with anyone about anything at all. This, too, would have been a matter of comic relief had that infernal clock not gone on ticking . . . in distant Teheran.
Barack Obama appeared to think that he would be remembered and celebrated as the architect of an historic healthcare reform, and he seemed to have persuaded nearly everyone in his party that this was so. He seemed also to have entertained an expectation that it would fall to him to preside over a comprehensive Middle East settlement. Neither was destined to happen. By hook or by crook, the Democrats managed to shove the healthcare bill through the House, but it turned out to be nothing more than a last-ditch, suicide mission on the part of a Progressive coalition on its last legs. And the Obama administration’s inept maneuvers made the Middle East settlement that the Americans had long sought all the more elusive.
Most of what went on in those years in Washington – apart from the buffoonery – was unremarkable. If President Obama is remembered at all, it is because it was on his watch that the fascist dictatorship in Iran got nuclear weapons. In comparative perspective, nothing else that he did or did not do really mattered at all.
Such is the verdict that, I think, will be rendered – for our time resembles an earlier epoch about which a similar verdict has already been reached. Who remembers the social programs adopted in England and France between 1933 and 1936? It was with them, however, that Ramsay MacDonald, Stanley Baldwin, Pierre Laval, Leon Blum, and the like were largely preoccupied. It was as if, when the ship of state came within sight of a political iceberg, its officers and crew turned to rearranging the deck chairs on what was for them a functional equivalent of the Titanic.
In that earlier period, Europe was deep in the Great Depression; class strife loomed large; and the French, in particular, suffered from a stalemate between the right and the left. Almost no one had the stomach to contemplate a renewal of war. Their experience in the trenches during the First World War had encouraged the English and the French to embrace pacifism, and Ramsay MacDonald, prime minister of Britain in 1933, was not alone in hoping that Nazi Germany could be appeased.
Of course, attempts were made to contain Germany. Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, and Rumania negotiated the Little Entente Pact of Consolidation. Austria, Hungary, and Italy signed the Rome Protocols. The Soviet Union appointed a Jew as foreign minister, joined the League of Nations, and signed mutual assistance treaties with Czechoslovakia and France. The British, the French, and the Italians formed the Stresa Front.
These gestures were, however, all half-hearted. At no time did anyone make serious military preparations, and Adolf Hitler found it easy to pick apart these nascent alliances. Poland signed a non-aggression pact with Germany in January 1934; Britain signed the Anglo-German Naval Agreement in June, 1935, shortly after joining the Stresa Front; and Benito Mussolini, who had massed troops at the Brenner Pass after Hitler had engineered the assassination of the Austrian Chancellor Engelbert Dollfuss on 25 July 1934, opted in the end to attempt to play the two sides against one another; and, when it became clear which was the stronger and the more resolute, he jettisoned the Rome Protocols and lined up with his fellow fascists. It was not hard for Il Duce, as he called himself, to read the handwriting on the wall – for when Germany’s like-named Fűhrer remilitarized the Rhineland in early March, 1936, the British and the French did nothing more than register pro-forma diplomatic protests.
The British and the French at that time had more excuse then than we can claim today. They felt only revulsion when they contemplated the carnage of World War I, and the former had long since become persuaded that Germany’s treatment in the Versailles Treaty was unjust. The combination of a sense of guilt with terror can all too easily paralyze a people. None of this, however, can justify their resolutely looking the other way when Hitler repudiated the central terms of the Locarno Pact, remilitarized the Rhineland, and laid the groundwork for a decisive shift in the balance of power on the continent of Europe. To anticipate what was to come, one had only to read Mein Kampf.
But, of course, no one at the time wanted to read Hitler’s magnum opus and think about the unthinkable. It was far less distressing to suppose that the German leader could not have really meant what he had written ten years before. In any case, we are in no position to level criticism today. We have not suffered carnage on the scale that the British and the French did in World War I. In the course of the Cold War, we hardly suffered at all. And there is no reason whatsoever for us to feel any guilt with regard to our conduct during or in the aftermath of that struggle. The Cold War was America’s finest hour. In human history, there has never been a sustained confrontation between two great hegemonic powers lasting half a century in which, relative to the size of the existing populations, there was less collateral damage inflicted by the victorious power.
Of course, when in a tizzy, one can always punt. That is what the Europeans did in the early 1930s, and that is what we with less justification have repeatedly done in the last few years. What other purpose does the United Nations these days serve? It is the perfect place in which to bury troublesome questions that one does not want to face. By referring matters of moment to it, as our European allies have so frequently shown, one can stake out the moral high ground and leave everyone with a comforting sense that something is being done without having to do anything substantive oneself. On the Iranian nuclear program, we have had report after report, and the Security Council has passed resolution after resolution. All that happens is that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad plays for time, alternately pretending to negotiate and then threatening his Arab neighbors, the state of Israel, Europe, and the United States – all the while thumbing his nose with aplomb at everyone concerned.
Some will say that Iran is not Germany, that it is in no way as formidable as German once was – and, of course, they are right. But this only makes our inaction less excusable – for if an Iran lacking nuclear weapons is not especially formidable, one cannot say the same about an Iran equipped with long-range missiles and brandishing nuclear weapons. One could, of course, point to the Iranian capacity to interfere with the transport of oil in the Persian Gulf; one could allude to the damage that Hezbollah could do; and one could refer to the capacity of the Iranian regime to unleash terrorist cells throughout the world. But if one were to lay emphasis on the Iranian capacity to project power and disrupt the world economy in the present circumstances, what would one be saying about Ahmadinejad’s ability to do both once his compatriots have equipped themselves with nuclear weapons and the systems necessary for their delivery?
There are two brute facts that are pertinent. First, like Hitler’s remilitarization of the Rhineland, Ahmadinejad’s acquisition of nuclear weapons and long-range missiles would profoundly alter the balance of power. Is there anyone who seriously thinks that, when it had a relatively free hand, the Islamic Republic of Iran would conduct its affairs in the manner of a saturated power? In assessing the significance of what is about to take place, one must keep in mind the strategic importance of the Persian Gulf and just how large a percentage of the oil that fuels the world economy is exported through that narrow body of water.
The second brute fact is no less easy to discern: In matters such as the one that concerns us here, diplomacy is bound to be ineffectual if it is not backed by a credible threat that, if one’s requests are refused, one will resort to force.
Think about what it means that, in circumstances as dire as those we now face, our leaders are devoting their energy to ramming a highly unpopular healthcare bill down our throats and to attacking a democratically elected government for announcing a modest increase in the size of a strategically located settlement. As Obama, Pelosi, Hoyer, Emanuel, Clinton, and Gibbs waste their energy on comparatively inconsequential matters, the clock in Teheran merrily ticks on – and for us time will soon, by all reports, be running out.






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The progressives are throwing ALL of our allies under the BUS….. they have loosened sanctions with Iran and what are they going to do next.. have closed door meetings with Netanyahu??? ummm wait they did that last week….
I think they mean this tick tock… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nvKN_H4e-I
Good job throw our 1 good ally in the middle east under the bus. Most un-american Pres in history, and you sit back and take it in the a** Amerika!
What is your problem? http://www.savingtherepublic.com/Amerika.html
Don't play their game… STOP and play your game through http://www.savingtherepublic.com
All these Iranian nutjobs have to do is develop a few small nukes and get them into the hands of their terror cells around the world. They unleash those small nukes as upper atmosphere explosions unleashing massive EMP and suddenly, large chunks of the world are instantly reduced to the dark ages level of living enjoyed by many third world muslims now. The deaths in the civilized world would be enormous as civilized people will not know how to take care of themselves and the chaos and devastation would pose no problem to muslim invaders used to living in very similar conditions.
In a few explosions, Iran can completely level the playing field.
Mr. Rahe, that was well said. It bothers me that that our elected officials seem to be worried more about the activities of American religious right-wing extremists than they are about Iranian religious extremists. When the Bamster was elected, I just knew that somewhere, the Ahmadinejads and the Kim Jong-Ils of the world were rejoicing. I for one, will always support Israel.
GOD BLESS ISRAEL!!!
He bows down to those we have never been able to trust and shuns those we have never had to fear and who have always been our allies. Now the great one must grovel before the Chinese so he can spend generations into poverty for reparations.
It appears when we get a true American President, they will have an apology tour from the American Citizens.
It never cases to amaze my how many Jewish citizens vote for this guy…
A large number of progrssives are in fact Jewish…
I honestly don't know if he's motivated by malice or incompetence. But I'm beginning to wonder. 20 years listening to a racist preacher. Never mind for a moment no conservative would be given a pass for that. Either he didn't see what was right in front of him, or he approved. Neither speaks well to his character.
But preventing that would mean using Evil Republican Missile Defence!
Seriously, why would liberals be against even a somewhat imperfect missile defence? The difference between a civilization-ending cataclysm and a bad, but ultimately survivable disaster could be a few intercepted missiles.
Who said he would 'stand with' the Muslims? Obviously, Obama can keep some promises.
I have a feeling that they my be changing that loyalty going forward.
You can take the dirty, corrupt, thug out of Chicago…but he's still a dirty, corrupt, thug in Washington! He has absolutely NO CLASS, he KNOWS NOTHING about foreign policy, he does NOT ARE about the American people!! How many times do we have to be reminded that we have a Muslim in the White House, before PEOPLE WAKE UP!!!!!
Obama's current posturing with Israel actually makes it easier for Israel to attack Iran's nukes without the US being accused of being behind it. I hope that is what is going on, but perhaps I'm being too smart by half.
(1)
Obama reaches accord with Russia to reduce Nuclear Arms.
– meanwhile –
The ‘Wall Street Journal’ reports that previous US proposals, which would have effectively closed international airspace and waters to Iranian state-owned air cargo and shipping lines, had been abandoned.
- Gee, I wonder if there's any connection.-
The ‘Wall Street Journal’ said revised sanctions would be more focused on "major power centers in Iran, in particular the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps," and would increase pressure on Tehran.
- wonder what Iran thinks of that –
"They are just making a fuss. They have ended up humiliating themselves. … Rest assured that your efforts will be fruitless." – Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
(2)
- what could Obama be thinking –
Obama: “The United States will take concrete steps towards a world without nuclear weapons … To put an end to Cold War thinking, we will reduce the role of nuclear weapons in our national security strategy, and urge others to do the same.”
- We can all sleep easier now, Obama will "urge" Iran to "reduce the role of nuclear weapons in their national security strategy".
Power and control?
How much easier would a destitute and desparate populace be to control?
They are not an ally, much less a good one. None of you guys can ever come up with any substantiation for this claim – you just repeat the BIG LIE. We are still fighting 2 major wars for Israel in the Middle East – how may soldiers has Israel committed? NONE! Probably because they got their butts handed to them, even with all their high-tech gadgets, by Lebanese militia riflemen (AND THAT is important – it was American militia riflemen that fought the Revolution against the most powerful military at the time, too – the freedom fighters who oppose Israel have more in common with America than Israel does.)
A typical Zionist bigot who knows nothing about Iran, much less the world or even history. Maybe an hour visiting Iran might help out.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-28842323...
BTW, Israel has attacked us on more than one occasion, Iran never has.
But it doesn't bother you that our elected officials place ISRAEL above the well being of Americans?
We give more aid to the tiny, rich, rogue nation of Israel than any other DESPITE them turning around and using it against us (AIPAC lobbying and spying, for example)
"OUR" government GUARANTEES ISRAEL'S oil supply EVEN IF it means shortages FOR AMERICANS. Pause and think about that for a moment.
Now, how can Israel achieve such "special treatment"? Oh, that's right TREASON:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvDHaJiDUek
In order to keep our National “Mind” right…we must consider Israel to be our 51st “State”.
We can’t appease both of them at the same time, ok…that’s impossible. Therefore, we have to stop playing “ping-pong” and dejaVu all over again.
This is the 2nd return of The Jews to their land. The lst time was for 70 years…a “Mild” Punishment administered by Their God.
The 2nd time happened in two stages. The 10 Northern Israelites went into Capitivity and were removed off their land for a long time period, approximately 2,520 year, and placed under Gentile Rulers. The last one being Rome unti Roman-type Democracy collapses.
The 3 remaining tribes, present at the time of Christ were removed about 70 A.D. & were scheduled to return at the same time as the others.
This started happening in 1917, and became “formalized” in 1948.
They are going to be removed their land again, by Military Pressure(s) and other events…This will be the 3rd and last time. It will be very short, 1,260 days or 3-1/2 years.
35 days after the last Great Battle AT Armageddon, they will return. Actually, they need 30 days for returning, and 5 days to cleanse their Temple, which of course isn’t built yet.
They will return from Jordan and from The Rose Red City of Petra, primarily. This is because that is their only escape route. Syria to the North is getting “nuked”, especially Damascus, will NEVER be inhabited again.
Egypt to South will get trashed out by a “Milder” Nuke of some sort. Un-inhabitable for 40 years.
Russia and Allies get totally destroyed, and it looks like a “Neutron” bomb. People have to wait about 5 or 6 months, whatever to pick up and bury the dead and their weapons.
They will receive a Promised land expansion going to the Euphrates River and the Tigris River.
Jerusalem will the Capitol of the World.
Bible 101. Keep Passover, next Monday Believers, it’s legal for us to do so. And, we don’t have to slaughter a lamb, remember?
Oh that's right, Israel is supposed to be one of our most supportive allies. Gee, they allowed one of our own citizens to spy for them, Jonathon Pollard and just couldn't find the time or ethical backbone to call up the US State Dept or US embassy and tell us that one of our own people was giving them 1000's of classified documents(they must have been too busy assembling lists of more docs they wanted)—and yes, most of the docs had NOTHING to do with Israel's security.
What kind of friend is that? You're right, it was 20 years ago.
What kind of friend agrees to do sometime and then breaks their word? What didn't they understand about not building more settlements? And to do it publically in the face of our Irish drunk VP—well that is going too far, taking advantage of the genetically inebriated!
What kind of friend sells advanced technology to rogue countries(countries identified by the G20) that can be used for military systems?–Correct answer in the back of the room.
Funny, before "Lorben" was saying she was loyal to both countries – that ALWAYS means they are loyal to Israel. When speaking of "dual citizens" and "divided loyalty" it was once quipped that no one ever thinks of their loyalty as divided.
Bush bowed down to Israel and wasted a TRILLION of our dollars and THOUSANDS of Americans to fight their wars for them. A simple gesture from Obama pales in comparison.
I hear what you are saying and in any other case we may concur. But the ACTIONS and the WORDS of the executive branch and legislative branch are not typically countered. They are clearly aligned in a malicious campaign to destroy Middle America and get rich doing it.
What could be our theory falls flat on its face. America The Gullible is getting the shock of her life.
The biggest difference when one points to events around the world in history….Middle America is packing heat. And plenty of it.
You seem to be confusing loyalty to an ever faithful ally with loyalty to the murderous cult of Islam.
My thoughts and prayers are with the Israeli people. God help us all with this arrogant, corrupt, and short sighted administration that momentarily holds sway in Washington.
Ah, yes, the popular accusation of ignorance. Shoo, troll!
The trooooth is out there. /cue X-Files theme
Israel is second largest supplier of weapons to communist China. China turns around and sells them to Iran. Of course Israel knows this, it's common knowledge. What a joke. You think if Israel really cared for their people this would be going on? It's all fun and games, smoke and mirrors. The elite rule the world and you will not know what is going on unless you are in their club. It's about money and power, not the common man.
I vote for ignorant incompetence, but lean towards malice every day he beats up our allies.
Why should he support the Marxist nation of Israel? Ever hear of a kibbutz????????
We should strike a nuclear deal with Iran. IF the intent was to prevent weaponized nuclear material (it isn't but that has been the excuse for our lawless harassment of Iran) then helping them get their nuclear sites constructed would be the best way. But the goal is to keep repeating the BIG LIE that Iran is a threat (who have they attacked recently? Israel has been attacking its neighbors since it was created by the UN.
Saying it is "Israeli" land is a simple falsehood. It actually can't be true because the terrorist state of Israel refuses to DEFINE ITS BORDERS. Why are we even dealing with such a rogue element?
AMEN
Provided that leaky reactor in Dimona doesn't go critical. Why shouldn't the US bomb Israel if they did such a thing – if it isn't tolerated from Iraq why would it be tolerated from that rogue borderless terrorist group that murdered Americans on the USS Liberty?
Seems to me all the military efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq would have been better directed at Iran.
Does your simplistic view of "Israel good" – "everyone else bad" really seem reasonable to you?
Where are you getting your dis-information??? Who do you think is supplying much of the weaponry and bombs to our enemies in Afghanistan and Iraq? Go back under your liberal pro-Iranian bridge.
Who, precisely, are referring to when using the term "American religious right-wing extremists"? That sounds like the terminology currently being employed by the ProgLib Communists running this country these days. Am I to assume you are casting your lot in with them?
What about those of us who do not believe this ancient history? Those of us who like to think for ourselves. Those who do not believe Israel is God's chosen country, and Jews are not God's "chosen people". No one has a monopoly on God, and God is no respecter of persons. Whatever happens…happens because of what PEOPLE do or don't do.
What faithful ally? The one that murdered Americans on the USS Liberty? That carried out the Lavon Affair? That spies on the US? That sold our missile technology to China? You sound like one of those women that have repeated bad marriages because you have no judge of character.
Paul – Good analysis, however I must point out one factual mistake. Ramat Shlomo is NOT a SETTLEMENT but a neighborhood in NORTH Jerusalem.
Randy is a Soros-troll, doo dah, doo dah, has to scrub Georgie's toilet bowl, all the doo dah day…
There is ZERO evidence that this Administration is "placing ISRAEL above the well being of Americans". As a matter of fact, there is zero evidence that this Administration is thinking of the well-being of this country AT ALL!
I'd like to ask you a couple of simple questions. Let's see if you are able to give straight answers without a lot of the usual BS.
1.) Are you a Christian?
2.) Do you study the Bible?
If you can give a simple yes or no answer to these questions, It might be worth having this conversation.
This could be the case. Our Army could leave Afganistan and be a back-up for Israel…Wait & see.
The militant, Fundalmentist Muslims in America have 35 Terrorist Training camps in 22 States.
LOL! What a mind-slave. If you think Jews are "Chosen" why not become one, eh?
They probably have them already. They have Nuclear Weaponry(s).
Israel has 2 strategies to use: #1. The David Complex and slay the Mutant Goliath. and #2. Use the Samson Strategy and pull down the entire house while they themselves are dying. (Also, the Masada Complex)
Of course they spy on us. We spy on them.
But if selling weapons to the Chinese is treasonous then what does that make the DNC and William Jefferson Clinton.
I'm talking about the paper bag business going on by the DNC in places like Monterey Park, CA. How do you think Bubba got re-elected? Substitute Soros for China and you get RahmObama now.
…Or, # 4 – the "We blow up Iraq's nuke facility in 1981, and Syria's in 2008, and Iran's in 2010 Strategy"…
…also known as the "Lather, Rinse, Repeat Complex"…
We guarantee Israel's oil supply so that someone (say Iran) cannot attack Israel by cutting off their oil supply. We also do it to keep Israel from attacking other nations in the region should such a threat be made. As for the spying- I'm not denying your accusation. I know it happens. Think about this for a minute. We have been their strongest political ally, but that does not make us trustworthy- case in point, Obama's treatment of Israel. They are a democratic nation and have a responsibility to protect their citizens. If the positions were switched, we would be doing the exact same thing.
There is ZERO evidence that this Administration is "placing ISRAEL above the well being of Americans".
Sure there is. They gave Israel their $3 billion welfare payment while America is in debt, right? So, you are wrong.
As a matter of fact, there is zero evidence that this Administration is thinking of the well-being of this country AT ALL!
Other than that harpie Clinton saying the government (NOT backed by the people, btw) gives "unwavering support" to Israel. I'm curious, what other nation do we speak of that way?
If I was a Christian I definitely wouldn't support Israel – Jews were damned by God – the new covenant is with Christians. THEY are the Chosen Ones. If I didn't believe that, why would I be a Christian and think some OTHER group is "Chosen"? That would make no sense.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen_people#Christ...
Well, it's pretty obvious at this point that you are nothing but an antisemetic hater of Israel.
"sold our missile technology to China"? Do you have a shred of credible proof of that?
The fact is: The Chinese were able to advance their missile program as a result of Bill Clinton selling them our super computer technology. They would be twenty years behind us if not for that. The fact that you would try to dump blame on Israel for that only shows us what you really are. A Democrat Party hack and an anti-Semite scum-bag.
People(?) like Randy lead me to believe that club-wielding neanderthals of huge proportions actually do exist under bridges, and have also found a way to gain access to the internet. Given the evidence, is it so hard to believe? Somebody tell Mulder…
It's sad that those who think they are so enlightened and intelligent are so Biblically illiterate. Their quarrel is not with those of us who believe in God and His Word, but in fact with God Himself. So many of them do not even acknowledge that there is a Living God, who created the heavens and the earth, without even bothering to investigate, preferring instead to accept the drivel of men as fact. I used to think that way, and then one day asked the question: "What if it's true?" The answer changed my life. I really would hope that many of you who do not believe will sincerely seek the answer from the One True Source. It makes so much of what we worry and fret about irrelevant. And yes, the clock is ticking.
Name any spying we have done on them.
Name how many Americans they have in their government. Then compare it to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvDHaJiDUek
But if selling weapons to the Chinese is treasonous then what does that make the DNC and William Jefferson Clinton.
So, you are saying it is ok for Israel to do that? LOL!!!!!!!! My theory is better than I thought. Another "bottom" supporter of their "butch" nation of Israel.
Well it's settled then, Randy ol' boy. Let's follow your logic. We'll just turn Israel to a sea of hot glass, then make nice-nice with all the Muslim nations. They will then love and embrace us, and be our friends forever for having done so.
Golly, that was simple, wasn't it?
It is the money changer mindset.
Perplexing, isn't it? Perhaps their synagogues have been duped by the Socialist version of "social justice" as so many of our Christian churches have. Or, perhaps the Jews are experiencing a great "falling away" from Scriptural teachings. One thing I'm confident of, and that's that Satan has his hands right in the middle of it.
Jesus Christ, the returning Messiah will be in charge.
Here's the new order of Authority:
God is at the top.
Jesus is put in charge for 1,000 years of The Kingdom of God, then turns it over to God
Next, is the Board of Elders, which consists of 12 Apostles and 12 Prophets
This authority will over-see The Nations.
Next: The Church & State of our Nations, which will theocratic, Similarly to the arrangement of Moses & His Brother Aaron
Then, comes the Man Citizen who is over His Wife and Children, who will have one of two titles: "King or Priest".
You will required to build your own house on your land, and w/o a mortgage.
Workers will not taxes, businessman and ranchers or farmers will pay 10% of their net gain…Call it a short form, ok
Citizens will receive all govt and religious serves free of charge. It's paid for by the other citizens' taxes (tithes)
We will not have or need an Army!
That's a primer for Bible 101.
And yer hope is in what? The democrat or republican party?
Mid-east Israel has no spiritual unity yet. They're kind of like their feuding between themselves as all of the European Nations have feuded with their neighbors for centuries.
They will "grow up" out of their present "teenage" mentality with the next war!
The same for us here in the U.S.A. We are really a "teenager" nation…with no spiritual unity yet. Just wait.
Just as I predicted. More of the usual BS. Two "NO"s would have sufficed, my benighted friend.
We have no common frame of reference, therefore any further debate is pointless. There is no light or truth in you.
There are plenty of terrorist thug nations in the Middle East- Israel is not one of them. There are plenty of nutty yahoos in the Middle East- Nettanyahu is not one of them. Illegitimate? Are you kidding? The only ones who see Israel as illegitmate are the Arabs- whom Israel has beaten like a drum every time they have tried attack- and apparently, American anti-semitic leftist idiots. As for your conspiracy theories- all I can say is show us some real proof, or go play in traffic.
We guarantee Israel's oil supply so that someone (say Iran) cannot attack Israel by cutting off their oil supply.
Do we guarantee Iran's oil supply? No. In fact, we are impeding it.
Why is so much American blood and treasure wasted on keeping Israel safe (while they hide behind that and make problems for us to pay for)?
If the positions were switched, we would be doing the exact same thing.
We aren't a nation based on religion and ethnicity. So, no, we wouldn't because we couldn't. AND Israel wouldn't allow a bunch of foreign interlopers in their governement the way we do.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvDHaJiDUek
This behavior of our government is AGAINST the interest of the American people – our government is not a servant of Israel. And when ISRAEL poses a threat to the American people by trying to hijack it I say we bomb Israel!
Yep, proof of their cult mindset. Sounds like a lot of mass suicidal cults to me.
Sounds like appeasement doesn't work. Time to destroy Israel.
I gave you the evidence you were looking for so you change the topic.
Go ahead, give it a shot – Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq (with Russian backing) have all tried and failed…
…and so will Soros and Obama and Randy the troll-dribbler…
…when your done scrubbing the bowl, Randy, Mr Soros would like you to start on the lawn…
Israel is in violation of the very terms they were recognized by the UN with – such as their refusal to allow the Palestinian refugees to return to their land.
Don't take MY word for it they are acting like thugs – listen to a couple IDF soldiers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37MFa7ZKQWo
Israel attacked its neighbors in 1967 – not the other way around.
I could say the same about Obambi being a terrorist thug from a terrorist thug of a political party. He admitted he wants to dismantle the protections established to protect the people of the USA.
The Muslim-inChief has bowed before many foreign heads of state – some only because they are Muslim. He has no honor, no dignity, no integrity and is deaf and blind to what is happening in this country as well.
I was predicting (and still believe it may happen) that there will be an assassination before this is over. Either that or Obama will commit genocide against the middle class of America.
Won't be much longer. The cancer of the world needs some radiation treatment. LOL!
Trolls and bigot-losers (one and the same) aren't covered under Obamacare…
…you will be long dead and Israel will still be the beacon of freedom in the Mideast cesspool of Arab dictatorships…
…admit it, Randy, Jewish success makes your loser life intolerable…Envy is Ugly, as are You…
Randy wear a helmet when you go outside!
for a moment I thought this Randy had something worth debating there L4S,………….
The USS Liberty,…????,……..Why can't these J.O.'s say what they really want.
I would not expect a muslim to support Israel. Obama's main brain, Rahm Auerbach is German. So are many other close "friends" of Obama. Remember during WW2, the Germans sided with and used the Muslims, mainly because of their common hatred of Jews.
In fact Hitler was one of the proponents of renaming Iran, which is Persian for Aryan. Hitler considered Germans and Aryans brothers.
The bible warns about those who despise Israel, and it seems our Emir is in that list of people who consider Israel to be their enemy. What kind of Christian does not believe the bible?
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Go away Troll.
Are you really asking for the names of American spies that are active on foreign soil ? … Or just an advance body-count number ? Any answer you may get is proof of treason and you know it. But of course that's your goal – to incite.
How about I identify you as an Isreali spy working on American soil ? – YO – FBI – CIA – Foreign spy identified here !
As I read some of your other posts it became clear to me that you didn't mean it in the way I suspected you might have meant it. That is why I only asked the question instead of attacking you. We conservative main-stream Americans have endured that type of epithet for decades. I just wanted to make sure you weren't launching a stealth attack on conservatives.
My apologies for doubting your intentions…………………L4S
No need to apologize- I know that the left is everywhere. I applaud your vigilance though- keep it up!
Satan is The Great Deciever….Thoughout human history all of our failings have come from deception…it is a cancer on human society….the only known cure is Truth….God gave us the way and the means to combat this malice…..but it requires adults…..not children…to assume the responsiblity of carring the burden of Truth…It is never easy…and was never ment to be….May we all see the light and respond accordingly…
Hang tight, Israel. Keep your cool. Pray often.
We want this Train Wreck out of office as badly as you do–and we're working on it.
If you are a Christian, you should definitely be capitalizing, "Bible."
If you are not a Christian, you should be capitalizing, "Bible," because it is the title of a "book."
I also keep seeing the word, "biblical." Correct usage is, "Biblical."
In addition to perpetuating the disappearing rules of grammar, this is just one more little way of slowly eroding respect. One never used to hear the words, “Oh, my God!” thrown around constantly the way they are today.
I apologize to those who had given my first comment a "thumbs up." Internet Explorer and Intense Debate do NOT play nicely together, and the first version of my comment posted prematurely.
I finished it and then deleted the original (losing your appreciated "thumbs up") in order to post the completed version..
Rahm is a Jew and the son of an Israeli TERRORIST (check it – son of an Irgun member!)
Iran has ALWAYS BEEN Iran, fool. I love how those supporting Israel and oppose me are provably ignorant! LOL!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran#Name
The Bible warns of the IMPOSTER Jews, too, which is a reference to the Turkic converts who are the Khazar Jews.
Chrisians are the Chosen People ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chosen_people#Christ... ) – why are you supporting the people God specifically damned? LOL!
Soros is a Zionist Jew. You really didn't know that?
Are you surprised? Obama did say he would meet Iran's leaders without preconditions. But I guess I was wrong, the precondition was the dissing of Israel. And ignoring Israel when Iran explodes a nuke over Jerusalem.
Mr. Netanyahu should suggest to the little Muslim Communist in the White House that he divide Washington DC and provide an “African State” ruled by H.E. Abdinur Ahmed Darman, President of Somalia. The current leeches living in the DC ghettos would probably love to have their own country. This would allow those who lust for a Communist America to have their own little Communist State while leaving the rest of America free to function as our founding fathers intended.
http://www.somaligovernment.org/
http://www.cfr.org/publication/10781/#p4
Anyone who thinks that a civilized human being can sit down in the midst of a den of rattlesnakes or a nest of scorpions and conduct “peace talks" is delusional.
Radical Islamists are sub-human. They train their children to blow themselves up and kill innocent women and children in the name of "Allah". Instead of preaching love, tolerance, and peaceful co-existence with their fellow man, they teach hatred, intolerance, death, and destruction.
The mere idea of a Palestinian state is a myth. There should be NO talks with these people. They have proved without doubt that they are totally incapable of governing themselves. They should either assimilate into Israeli society or be relocated to Jordan where they belong. They have absolutely NO justifiable claim to Israeli land.
The expression on Mr. Netanyahu's face is priceless. It's as if he is thinking "Is this idiot really the President of the United States?"
Jimmy Carter, is that you?? You silly little dhimmi.
The 2 biggest politically nefarious anomalies of all time:
Why a culture does lovingly embrace and vote 70% for the same political ideology, social reformists and thuggish governments that try to exterminate them?
And the other one is why do Blacks vote 95% Democrat as well? Is there a correlation?
If just 10% of black people only knew what the left really has done (doing) to control them, the Democrats will never win another election.
Lies this big… Hollywood couldn’t even make this shit up. Nor could Madison Ave. sell it. On second thought, maybe they could with the help from academia, the press corp., community organizers and unions.
You do and do for these kids and what do ya get?……..Not even a phone call… Owe
Barbra Streisand and Bill Maher on the campaign trail with Dick Cheney 2012!
Prove it.
Prove that the U.S. liberated Afghanistan and Iraq on behalf of Israel.
You cannot because you are just a genocidal anti-semite hoping to gain converts in your jihad to exterminate the Jews.
And the reason Israel did not destroy Hizbshaitan in Lebanon is because unlike you and your Islamist allies, Israel and her soldiers have morals, and will not slaughter civilian populations, despite the casualties they suffer as a result.
I seem to remember Iran attacking us DIRECTLY.
THEY TOOK OUR G@D D@MN EMBASSY!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the people that TOOK it are the people running their government NOW.
An embassy is recognized as literally a PIECE of the nation it represents.
There is NO way you can possibly excuse, explain or accept that event. You can't mitigate it. You can't rationalize it. You can't LIE it away.
IRAN ATTACKED US.
Plain and f'ing simple.
A typical genocidal anti-semite who knows nothing about Iran, much less the world, or even history. Maybe an hour reading the Book of Esther might help out.
To summarize:
The King of Persia (Iran) having dismissed his queen seeks a new wife. He chooses Esther, a Jewish orphan being raised by her uncle, and marries her without knowing she is Jewish. After exposing a plot against the King, her uncle is made a minister. Also a minister is the evil Haman, called an Amalekite. The Amalekites were a people that opposed the Jews when Moses led them into Israel, and so were condemned. (Saul was deposed for failing to destroy them utterly.) Mordecai became an enemy of Haman because he would not bow down to him, so Haman plotted to exterminate the Jews. Esther went to the King, revealed her heritage and Haman's plan, and the King instead had Haman and his sons hanged.
Actually, YOUR stunningly remedial characterization of HIS view is what is seems unreasonable.
Randy, you are not even addressing HIS view. You are addressing the view that your argument works against.
Which is the simple good/bad thing.
The folks here have much more complex views of things.
Unfortunately, your arguments and counterpoints don't work against them. Hence the need to oversimply what HE thinks.
Basically, at best, you are presenting a straw man argument.
At worse, you aren't bright enough to even be in the conversation.
If a mushroom cloud appears in the Mideast sky it will be Natanz, the Iranian nuclear facility disappearing, not Tel Aviv…
…Israel has nor survived these past 60 years of battle and bloodshed just to trust it's security to the corrupt and craven Obama administration…
Kibbutzim do not rule Israel.
Kibbutzim were formed voluntarily.
Kibbuztim have been transforming for decades because Marxism does not work, no matter how voluntarily the people join up.
Why do you keep telling lies about things your are completely ignorant about/
Israel has undefined borders because the Syrians and southern Syrian terrorists refuse to make peace.
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