Stand Against Honor Killing
by Pamela GellerOn August 24th, we will be dedicating the Aqsa Parvez Grove in American Independence Park in Jerusalem, Israel. If you can be in that part of the world, join me.
Non-Muslims have begun to take note of the victims of Islamic honor killing, and to serve notice to their killers that the victims will not be forgotten, or their murders ignored. Americans have seen a spike in the brutal murder of Muslim girls under Islamic law.
Remember Aqsa Parvez? She was brutally murdered by her father and brother in December 2007 for refusing to wear the Islamic headscarf. But that was only the beginning: the abuse and dehuminaization of this girl continued. She was buried in an unmarked grave. Her family refused to acknowledge her life, as she had “dishonored” them. In defiance of her devout father and brother, she had refused to live under the suffocating dictates of Islamic law. The eleventh grade student began taking off her hijab, a traditional Islamic headscarf, when she went to school, and would put it back on when she returned home. Her dad would go to her school during school hours and walk around trying to find her, trying to catch her not wearing Islamic garb, talking to boys or hanging out with “non-Muslims”. “She wanted to dress like us,” said one friend of Aqsa. “To be normal.” For this, her family prefers that she be forgotten — unknown, unloved, unmourned.
In December 2008, when I read that Aqsa lay in an unmarked grave, I was beside myself. I started a memorial fund at Atlas to get her a headstone. But I had no idea how difficult and ugly it would be simply to honor a teenage girl in Canada who just wanted to live free — and how eagerly Western non-Muslims would aid and abet the family’s efforts to dishonor her in death as they did in life.
Readers of my weblog, AtlasShrugs.com, opened their hearts and their wallets, and contributed $5,000 for a headstone for Aqsa. Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch joined the effort, and we approved a design for a headstone that read, “In loving memory of Aqsa Parvez, Apr. 22, 1991-Dec. 10, 2007 — Beloved, remembered and free.” All was going according to plan until, after much silence, Meadowvale Cemetery in Brampton, Ontario, where Aqsa is buried, advised me that the family (yes, the family that murdered her) had refused to “sign off” on the headstone. The director of the cemetery said: “The family wants changes and is planning on coming in to see me. They did not book an appointment yet but I hope to see them soon.”
Of course, the family never came, and when we inquired as to purchasing a plot near Aqsa’s body, we could not. Not a tree. Not a rock. Not a bench. All the plots were owned by the Islamic Society of North America. I tried to contact the family at that time, but they would not take my calls — I spoke to the them once, but they pretended not to speak English. And they were adamant: the family refused to allow the headstone to be put on Aqsa’s grave, and according to the cemetery, could remove it if it were placed there by others.
But those of us who had contributed to the Aqsa Memorial Fund were determined to make sure that Aqsa would be memorialized. We checked into other locations, made plans, only to see them canceled at the last minute out of … fear. We checked into the arboretum at the University of Guelph in Ontario, but a university official wrote me to say that “no matter how worthy, a memorial to Aqsa Parvez would draw much public attention and would thus be inconsistent with current use of The Arboretum.”
But not everyone was ready to cower before Islamic anti-woman violence.
Considering the fact that Islamic honor killings were a global problem (over 90% of honor killings worldwide are Islamic), I approached the JNF and worked to plant the Aqsa Parvez Grove in American Independence Park in Jerusalem, Israel, where the plaque before the grove will read: “In Loving Memory of Aqsa Parvez and All Victims of Honor Killings Worldwide.” I loved the idea of a grove of trees that would continue to live and grow for decades in their name.
The memorial in Jerusalem is recognition of this horror and the first indication that in the Free World we are not going to stand by silently while the Islamic world brutalizes women and treats them as property and worthless trash. It is but a small, respectful step toward widespread resistance against honor killing in the West and elsewhere.
I was told that the grove would be planted and the memorial plaque would be up late 2011. I had inquired recently if it could be up in late August, as we are traveling there for Glenn Beck’s rally in Jerusalem on the 24th. Imagine my happiness and excitement when the JNF told me they could accommodate my request. How wonderful.
On August 24, 2011, join us when we dedicate the Aqsa Parvez Grove at American Independence Park in Jerusalem, and remember the girls and the women who died brutal deaths merely because they wanted to be free. Please join us. It will be a very special event. Specific details will follow.
Meanwhile, please join us in Tampa on June 10 for AFDI/SIOA’s Rally for Justice for Fatima Abdallah, at 2PM on June 10 at Lykes Gaslight Park in front of Tampa Police Headquarters. The Rally will include a news conference. We will call upon State Attorney Mark Ober, Tampa Mayor Bob Buckhorn and Tampa City Council Members to recognize the numerous anomalies in the Tampa Police Department report that ruled Fatima Abdallah’s death a suicide, and to open a genuine investigation into the possibility that she was murdered in an Islamic honor killing.
The Tampa Police report claims that Abdallah committed suicide by repeatedly striking her head against a coffee table. The idea defies logic, belies reality. The Rally for Justice for Fatima Abdallah will feature a great deal of evidence that the Tampa Police investigation was drastically flawed, and that the Police Department and Medical Examiner ignored numerous indications that Fatima Abdallah did not commit suicide, but was brutally assaulted. Then when challenged, their explanation only exposed more inconsistencies and raised more questions.
Fatima Abdallah was a Muslim woman shunned by her devout Muslim family for her “shameful” divorce – and hence a possible victim of Islamic honor killing, in which a woman who has brought “shame” to the family is murdered in order to preserve family “purity.” Neighbors reported that Fatima Abdallah was abused by her family, but that they had been too frightened themselves of the abusers to report it.
We cannot and will not tolerate the covering up of honor killings in the U.S. Our law enforcement authorities should be standing up against this practice. The cover-up is criminal, and we must protest the silence and complicity of Florida law enforcement. This looking the other way on honor killing is Sharia law — if this family weren’t Muslim, law enforcement would have handled this completely differently. Please join us at this rally and stand against the coverup of honor killing in the U.S.
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More Islamophobic claptrap from Not-So-Bright-Bart.
Here's how the Bible comes down on honor killing:
And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. (Exodus 21:17)"
"For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. (Leviticus 20:9)"
If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear. – (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you. — (Deuteronomy 22:21)
Islamic honor killings are merely the most grisly of the evidences that we cannot allow this savage creed to flourish among us. There are numerous others.
Good article. The cover-ups certainly are criminal.
Please tell us more about the fate of the taxicab -driver- father who murdered the two young women (his daughters) shown in the photo that accompanies this article. I think that the murders took place in Texas. I saw this murder case profiled on one of the 'investigation' cable channels….and the 911 call made by one of the daughters , just before she DIED, was just 'heartbreaking' to hear.
The 'honorable' father, I think, escaped to somewhere in the Middle East. He probably had help. He left the two MURDERED girls/daughters in his taxicab.
Anyway, the males who perpetrate these so-called 'honor' killings are anything but 'honorable'. And, a 'religion' that condones this 'c**p' is way beyond 'misguided' and is NOT 'a religion of peace'…..no matter WHO says so.
'Reason and logic' are words….. NOT in the muslim lexicon.
YAWN. Is that it, nothing to back it up, nothing smart to say.
Progressing, you are Regressing once again, and frankly, you still missed the point of the article. By the way, did you forget to turn your brain on today, since it helps to think first before saying something utterly retarded.
So you are in favor or Sharia Law?
The Enlightenment occurred specifically because Western man embraced reason, logic and the scientific method. Christianity "reformed" in light of the rediscovery of reason as a philosophy. "Islam" is hopeless since it clings to the irrational and will never change or reform. "Honor killing" is just one sick symptom of this fascistic ideology that smothers humanity. May it's rigidity prove to be it's weakness, and may it shatter into a million pieces soon. Islam is anti-human and anti-life…
There is no honor in these killings, or Sharia law. There is ignorance.
How many Christians are killed for becoming Jews?
How many Jews are killed for becoming Christians?
How many Muslims are killed for becoming either?
Aren't you missing the midday Two Minutes' Hate? In case you missed the not-so-happy ending to this story, turdburger, Aqsa Parvez's brother and father both pleaded guilty to second-degree murder last June. They can't even apply for parole until 2028.
That's socialism for you – "proudly defending the indefensible since 1848."
right on sturjen. iv'e always wondered about how if men can't control themselves why is it the women have to be chaparonned, can't leave the house, dress how they want etc. if men can't control themselves, they should cut off the offending appendage (d*ck) or be the ones to be locked up and not allowed in public un-chaparoned. this is due to the extreme low self esteem of these men. can't let strong smart, women go around freely oh no, the women might take over and then its pay back time…
Yea you kenyan humpers are such nice people, the pot calling the kettle black.
CAIRO – Activists and bloggers are pressing Egypt's military rulers to investigate accusations of serious abuses against protesters, including claims that soldiers subjected female detainees to so-called "virginity tests."
Bloggers say they will hold a day of online protest Wednesday to voice their outrage, adding to criticism of the Supreme Council of the Armed Forces, which took control of the country from ousted President Hosni Mubarak in February.
The accusations of virginity tests first surfaced after a March 9 rally in Cairo's Tahrir Square that turned violent when men in plain clothes attacked protesters and the army intervened forcefully to clear the square.
Report: Egypt admits to forcing "virginity tests"
One woman who was arrested spoke out about her treatment, and Amnesty International further documented the abuse allegations in a report that found 18 female detainees were threatened with prostitution charges and forced to undergo virginity tests. They were also beaten up and given electric shocks, the report said.
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/05/31/501364/...
A teenage Muslim girl was stoned to death by suspects claiming the 19-year-old has violated Sharia law by taking part in a beauty contest, a British newspaper reports.
The body of Katya Koren was found in a forest near a village in the Crimea region of Ukraine.
Will Stewart of the Daily Mail writes that Koren's remains were found a week after her disappearance.
She appeared to have suffered head injuries and been strangled.
Police are investigating claims that three Muslim youths killed her, saying her death was justified under Islamic law.
The Daily Mail reports one 16-year-old suspect under arrest told police Koren had "violated the laws of Sharia."
According to an official report on a Crimean government website, the 16-year-old classmate confessed to her murder, and gave as his reason, "I just wanted to kill her."
Read more: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-20067537-5...
You and your bro's need to be the ones stoned.
No Jewish or Christian family is doing this sort of honor killing nonsense, in the name and under the explicit direction of their holy book. Period.
Whatever you believe or don't believe about the Torah, fine. I don't care. But absolutely nobody is dragging wayward teens outside the city gates, stoning them, and then hiding behind Levitical code.
Sharia, however, is being used precisely in this way.
Next, please.
Old testament, I suggest you read the new testament.
Here is the big difference between Christianty and Islam.
We have long past moved beyond such killngs. The problem is that Islam is a religion stuck in the past and will resort to such draconian measures for what ever the reason.
Jesus said, "Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
"It took centuries of intellectual, philosophical development to achieve political freedom. It was a long struggle, stretching from Aristotle to John Locke to the Founding Fathers. The system they established was not based on unlimited majority but on its opposite: on individual rights, which were not to be alienated by majority vote or minority plotting. The individual was not left at the mercy of his neighbors or his leaders: the Constitutional system of checks and balances was scientifically devised to protect him from both. This was the great American achievement—and if concern for the actual welfare of other nations were our present leaders' motive, this is what we should have been teaching the world. Instead, we are deluding the ignorant and the semi-savage by telling them that no political knowledge is necessary—that our system is only a matter of subjective preference—that any prehistorical form of tribal tyranny, gang rule, and slaughter will do just as well, with our sanction and support. It is thus that we encourage the spectacle of Algerian workers marching through the streets [in the 1962 Civil War] and shouting the demand: "Work, not blood!"—without knowing what great knowledge and virtue are required to achieve it. In the same way, in 1917, the Russian peasants were demanding: "Land and Freedom!" But Lenin and Stalin is what they got. In 1933, the Germans were demanding: "Room to live!" But what they got was Hitler. In 1793, the French were shouting: "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!" What they got was Napoleon. In 1776, the Americans were proclaiming "The Rights of Man"—and, led by political philosophers, they achieved it. No revolution, no matter how justified, and no movement, no matter how popular, has ever succeeded without a political philosophy to guide it, to set its direction and goal." Ayn Rand
Pam, certainly you’re mistaken, we are talking about the religion of peace, aren’t we? ~sarc~
They see 'Emmanuel Goldstein' everywhere.
That's the Old Testament, idiot.
Even so, the Old Testament is DESCRIPTIVE.
The Koran is PRESCRIPTIVE.
Big difference, you dhimmi dupe.
"Here is the big difference between Christianity and Islam….We have long past moved beyond such killings."
Not to be hyper-critical, but "honor-killings" have never been a part of "Christianity."
The perfect illustration of the difference between Christianity and islam is found in the story of the "woman caught in the act of adultery." When the crowd brought the woman before Jesus, claiming that the law of Moses commanded she be stoned to death, Jesus famously proclaims, "he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Beyond that, after the crowd left, He told her that He did not condemn her.
That's where Christianity stands apart from all other authoritarian religions.
Ahhh the insane left, they won't waterboard…but they will put a cap in an unarmed man’s head….
And of course my favorite, and one this nitwit is continually guilty of, trying paint the right with the red letter of intolerance…Yet when the radical muslime sharia practitioner kills his own daughter! The fuks always bend over backwards to try and justify such behavior….
Progressive you are nothing but a pos….
more uneducated responses from people who either a. don't know what they are talking about or b. are muslims who have adapted the leftist tactics of name calling to avoid responsibility for the followers of their religion. just as genuine christians MUST stand against those who claim to know JESUS and yet sin in his name.
second, you quote the old testament as the end to the story – it is not. the old testament was a map pointing to messiah and GRACE as the principle by which we should live. i'm truly sorry you don't understand this, as, btw, most westerners, no longer understand the principles of christianity. the old testament is to show mankind that life without the guiding light of Christ Jesus is cruel and brutal. unfortunately people who understand neither islam NOR christianity often point BACKWARDS to the old testament and live BACKWARDS in the morass of islam instead of accepting that Christ Jesus came to bring REAL PROGRESS in the lives of people, instead of depending upon man's judgements.
like most folks who MIS-use biblical scripture, you don't quote the before and after versus for your references. so, for those who would like to know:
Regarding Exodus 21:17, CHRIST said in Matthew 15:1-10 in SPECIFIC response:
Matthew 15
Tradition and Commandment
1 (A)Then some Pharisees and scribes *came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, 2 “Why do Your disciples break the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat bread.” 3 And He answered and said to them, “Why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, "HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER,’ and, ‘HE WHO SPEAKS EVIL OF FATHER OR MOTHER IS TO BE PUT TO DEATH.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever I have that would help you has been given to God,” 6 he is not to honor his father or his mother.’ And by this you invalidated the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7 You hypocrites, rightly did Isaiah prophesy of you:"
CHRIST also answered your reference to Leviticus and Deuteronomy SPECIFICALLY in this verse.
if you want to participate in the public discourse, be intellectually HONEST and not a verse-by-verse cherry picker to support your uninformed responses.
It would be a real honor seeing your little stones yanked out of your teabag.
Eh. Just a pathetic attempt at the alinsky tactic of "holding them up to their own book of rules." Very weak.
True there, I guess I must have just missaid what I meant.
Although as something Regressive is proving is that the left does not achnoledge the existance of the New Testament.
Gosh Progressing how utterly wonderful that you have found the basis used by Islam. All three religions started with the old testament. So you by limiting yourself to the old testament you are either a Muslim or a Jew. Since the Jewish faith has abandoned honor killing, by elimination you must be Islamic.
Additional thought: So connecting the dots: I can chose to abort a life in the womb or at anytime after if it displeases me. WOW!!! Just WOW!!!! Could I get your mother or fathers phone number please?
More American Muslims need to be heard from on this human rights issue. If they do not speak, it means they condone it or don't want to rock the boat. This is murder, plain and simple and certainly unacceptible in Western society. It is like abortion for Catholics, If you totally support it , then you are against Church teachings. Pro-Woman's Rights is murder, unless there are extreme circumstances involved, such as the life of the mother. If you speak out against it, or try to limit its practices by providing alternatives, or by reforming laws, then you are in favor of human life.
Not a good day to whine about honor killings. Real baggers are blogging about important stuff like congressional weiners.
Perhaps we could buy a lot near the Cordoba Cultual Center. And erect a memorial to those murdered for "honor".
Yes, yes it is in favor of sharia.
Snowballer!
So God said not to follow the Ten Commandments? That's an interesting piece of news. How is it that conservatives want to embrace the Constitution and yet are ignorant of its principles and language (Herman Cain recently said Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness were enshrined in the Constitution. Ouch)?: Likewise, you claim to be Christians but are ignorant of the bible: New and Old Testaments.
Here, I'll get you started: The degree to which the New Covenant supplants the Old Testament depends on one's denomination. Discuss.
What proof do you have that supports such an accusation.
Regressing, you seem to be filled with nothing but BS today.
Haaaaaahaha
You are so devoid of understanding of the basic tenets of Christianity, you probably believe the "progressive," black liberation theology, Marxist sympathizer in the White House, while destroying the nation, is acting in the "name of Christ," simply because he CALLS himself a "christian."
Why don't you go read the entire New Testament, then come back here to explain where you find "honor killings" taught within that text?
He didn't say not to follow the Ten Commandments, He said not to follow the Levitican laws. They aren't one in the same.
Why do leftists want to dehumanize Muslim women?
Very well said!
Islam is a relativistic religion.
Double standards are proof of relativism.
A woman does something wrong, stone her. A man does something wrong, no harm no foul.
If one goes against Islamic doctrine, the penalty is death. CAIR claims Al Queda went against Islam by doing terrorist acts. So where is the fatwa for the deaths of Al Queda members? Nowhere.
Relativism.
This happened in Dallas in 2008 and this so called "father" of these two girls fled the country or is being hidden by American Muslims. I've said it before I'll say it again, the reason "Western" Muslims don't speak out against 9-11, honor killings, terrorism is that they AGREE with it. The lot of them would love it if the whole world were Muslim. Here's a link to the Dallas honor killing story:
http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2008/01/03...
At the incredible (and impressive) rate you're conflating, pulling from context, and (deliberately?) misusing the Bible, I'd be at least tiny bit hesitant to call others "ignorant."
And just for the record, cutting and pasting OT verses into a comment thread does not a Biblical scholar make, hotshot.
Some homework, if you're up to it: Read Colossians chapter 2 (hint, verse 14 is kinda relevant to this discussion).
Grace and peace to you. You seem to have need of both.
Islam is evil! They live by the sword. Do not believe Muslims they will lie to you under their doctrine called Kithman, which permits lying to infidels to hide Islamic intentions.
You are nothing but a ghoul. You should be absolutely ashamed of yourself. Your hateful politics coming before common decency and human freedom? You need help in the worst possible way.
And if I am misreading the Bible, is that a reflection on Christianity or on me?
And if Muslims use their scripture to rationalize ungodly actions, would that reflect on the evildoers or on Islam?
See how this works? How do you think Muslims feel when Not-So-Bright-Bart and his band of would-be Islamiic experts opine on the words and meaning of their religion? God has always been used as an excuse for doing evil, by people of all faiths. That is a failing of man, not of God. In my opinion. Your mileage may differ.
Even today…many Islamic fathers have killed/murdered their daughters for becoming too western when coming here! Yet they refuse to admit they are 'honor' killings…which is okay in Islam…it is not in America!
Would you shoot your child point blank in the head for your GOD? Would you stab them 42 times for your GOD? Would you run them over in your car for your GOD? We would not…but they do! We have to ban any culture that seeks to supersede the American culture and our laws. This is not Saudi Arabia…if you want those laws go there!
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IS THIS WHAT WE WANT FOR AMERICA? WAKE UP…ISLAM IS A CULT NOT A RELIGION!
http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y7JNLpFwHA
OBEY THE LAWS OF AMERICA OR GET OUT!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0vItJqpQ8U
That wouldn't work with the hypocritical progressives of today. They would bury her and Jesus with their self-righteous stones, then blame the disciples!
Thanks for the additional info and link.
Based on the past two and a half years, and the recorded remarks of the POTUS on various subjects (consider his remarks in the UK about Small Business being' the job creation engine' versus what he actually does in this country-taxing the shorts off of small business owners, making hiring or expansion nearly impossible) I say we re-name Kithman, or Taqyyah….OBAMAISM which is SAYING one thing geared to the audience he is addressing , while doing exactly THE OPPPOSITE in practice and smiling the smile of a satisfied snake, afterwards.
Document that, you lying piece of worthless, runny shiite.
Oh, man! I actually looked that up…………
It fits, though.
ghey.
In other words, your position is that God was for honor killings before he was against them. Doesn't sound like a god worth worshipping, eh? I prefer a god who is less wobbly when it comes to principles. Do they serve communion waffles at your church?
A Communist talking about "principles?!?" Puh-leeze!
Suckling Uuhhhbama's privates doesn't qualify as a religion no matter how much His Mendaciousness has you convinced he's some sort of god.
What, can't Google for yourself?
Here's a start for you:
"Mertus further documents that "in Brazil, until 1991 wife killings were considered to be noncriminal "honor killings'; in just one year, nearly eight hundred husbands killed their wives. Similarly, in Colombia, until 1980, a husband legally could kill his wife for committing adultery."
–CONCEPTUALIZING PRIVATE VIOLENCE AGAINST SEXUAL MINORITIES AS GENDERED VIOLENCE: AN INTERNATIONAL AND COMPARATIVE LAW PERSPECTIVE by
JAMES D. WILETS
Honor killings by Christians in predominantly Christian nations have been justified both by the laws of the Bible and principles of the Napoleonic Code.
You should know that I can always back up my assertions.
What, can't Google for yourself?
Here's a start for you:
"Mertus further documents that "in Brazil, until 1991 wife killings were considered to be noncriminal "honor killings'; in just one year, nearly eight hundred husbands killed their wives. Similarly, in Colombia, until 1980, a husband legally could kill his wife for committing adultery."
–CONCEPTUALIZING PRIVATE VIOLENCE AGAINST SEXUAL MINORITIES AS GENDERED VIOLENCE: AN INTERNATIONAL AND COMPARATIVE LAW PERSPECTIVE by
JAMES D. WILETS
Honor killings by Christians in predominantly Christian nations have been justified both by the laws of the Bible and principles of the Napoleonic Code.
You should know that I can always back up my assertions.
Just because these so-called "honor killings" happened in so-called "Christian" countries, it does not necessarily follow that these crimes were perpetrated by Christians, blockhead. Post hoc ergo propter hoc and reductio ad absurdum. Next?
But they were perpetrated by Christians. You should try reading before your write. You will sound a little less stupid.
I got it from Cowboy, it's perfect. An inside look at troll central.
Again dipstick – there's a lot of us here who've not ONLY read the bible because we are Christians, but we've also read the Koran so we can find out WHY they hate us, and realize that for them the ONLY Peace in the world is when all Christian, Jews, Buddahist, et al are converted or dead.
What don't you understand about that?
The fact that the Koran itself contradicts it's OWN writings too many times to mention – kinda proves it's the drug induced ramblings of a madman, whom happen to be a dictator and evil king. We DO UNDERSTAND!!! You clearly don't.
"Real baggers are blogging about important stuff like congressional weiners. "
Opposed of course to the high mided substance and debate we find coming from your esteemed mind….. NOT.
BG this jerk is still posting. Why?
Begin operation Troll-Flush, or become just another ignored, useless waste of your time and money.
I won't continue wasting my time in a place that allows morons and paid trolls such as FJR1300a to pollute the environment.
Got it? Any questions?
Fine.
He may have done it in name of an "honor killing", but no christain faith supports it though. He is most likely using the name of christianity of a murder that he claims as "honor killing" as definded under Islam. He did nothing but make up an excuse for what he did and just falsely put religion behind it.
Let me say this to you, since you cannot read. YOU DONT KNOW SH!T ABOUT RELIGIONS.
Islam is not a Religion. It is a criminal enterprise, and should be outlawed. Real Religion does not mandate murder, honor killings, stoning women to death, suicide bombings, or killing of Infidels (that's US!) Islam should be outlawed in the U.S. now that we know that we cannot predict who or when an Islamic will try to bomb Americans again.
Start by monitoring the visas of all of them including students who scoff at we 'stupid Americans' for not knowing that they are expired. Talk about Govt Agencies. Fix that Agency! We have no idea who is in America. Acceptable? or not!
My answer would be that we were a mess before obozo but we're much much worse since he's here, and WE the People have to insist that our Census is correct! Clean the Trespassers and the interlopers and those enemies of the State out of America!
You haven't read the Koran, or else you wouldn't have this opinion.
Honor killings are not discussed in the Koran, so Islam does not support it either.
Covering of the head is very important among many Muslim women, so don't disregard it as being "insignificant." It's a matter of pride amongst many women. Now, of course that doesn't justify a woman's murder if she chooses to not cover, but that doesn't mean it's insignificant.
What you mean to say is people called out the ridiculousness of Christian conservatism, allowing science to overcome. Many conservative Christians would call this liberalization heresy, just as many conservative Muslims would in their own religion. Don't group all Islam into your narrow margins.
How many rhetorical questions are you going to ask?
}}Honor killings in the name of Christ were occurring just a few decades ago in Central and South America
FALSE
Honor killings were done in the name of HONOR. Latin macho Honor.
(http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/us/honor-killing-of-wives-is-outlawed-in-brazil.html)
Not true. How about you research the Koran before posting?
I absolutely 100% HAVE read it. How do you think I know what's in it?
Maybe YOU should.
Show me any passage in the Koran that advocates honor killings, anywhere, or that of a justifiable homicide by a single person acting on their own will?
You "progressives" just crack me up.
You supported and defended the Soviet Union, saying that the criticism of them was a sign of "intolerance," and that the CIA was "exaggerating" or even "lying" when it gave numbers of people killed in the liquidations and the gulags (it turns out that the CIA actually *underestimated* the number by about 50%!).
Now you support islam, with its genocidal killings in Sudan, honor killings, abuse of women, etc.
The more things change, the more they stay the same. The only thing "progressive" about you people is that you've progressed from supporting and defending one kind of evil to supporting another.
>>And if I am misreading the Bible, is that a reflection on Christianity or on me?
Is that a trick question? It's a reflection of you, your ignorance and bigotry, of course.
It is the Islamists who need to research the Koran.
That's one problem with Islamic doctrine, how does one know what is "true" Islamic doctrine? Opinions by mullahs and scholars are all over the map. There is no central organization like a Vatican to ensure quality control. When they had a caliph, Islam was far less relativistic as it is today.
And thanks to the doctrine of taquiya ("lying to non-believers is permitted") who can say what is true Islamic doctrine anyway? How does a non-believer know what is true Islamic doctrine unless a believer tells them (and they may be utilizing taquiya in the process – how does one know?) Would you trust someone who had permission to lie to you about his religion, if you were a non-believer asking questions? What kind of assurance would you have that you got accurate information?
Islam is relativistic.
Islamic scholars and clergy galore publish authoritative Islamic opinions that advocate these things. Islam has no mechanism to discipline their scholars or clergy for going off the deep end. Who declares them Kafir if they are advocating such barbarity? Nobody. Who kicks them out of the mosque? Nobody. Who does the equivalent of excommunication? Nobody.
It is them who should be researching the Koran.
Islam = relativism.
"Don't group all Islam into your narrow margins" – Westerners don't do that, the ulema does.
Which God are you currently worshiping?? I believe you are more of an Apostate than anything else.
Where did the church call for these killings? No where, but they do in Sharia and Muslim schools all the time.
You don't know what's in it, hence my comment. If you had read the Koran, you wouldn't have the opinion you have.
You're essentially right, but how is this any different than Christianity or Judaism? Christianity has hundreds of denominations and sects alone.
“The ulema?” You make it sound like some secret society. That's like saying “the clergy” does, like every member, considered to be ulama, are in consistent agreement across the board.
Islam has the answer to any Muslim practicing shirk – "He who changeth his Islamic deen (religion), kill him!" Yes, the ulema, ulama or ulammah has to agree. Or they die.
While I appreciate the fact that Israel agreed to have this monument it is a little disappointing to think that a monument to Aqsa Parvez who after all did die in Canada, was not possible anywhere else in my country.
In order to make an effective statement against this and other kinds of islamic crimes we need to be
making the most noise in the West, as this is where muslims are currently having their biggest propaganda successes.
It is an unfortunate fact of life but I fear that such a monument will be dismissed as zionist propaganda by the politically correct nitwits who seem to control most of the western media.
As always Ms Geller your efforts are to be commended.
If they do not speak, it means they condone it or don't want to rock the boat.
Muhammad did say "Silence is consent."
Why should muslims speak out and risk being ostracized for rejecting one of muhammad's examples (see quran verse 33:21) as less than perfect when they can support their faith without committing themselves by simply remaining silent?
It should also be noted Israel has a 9/11 memorial honoring victims of terrorism, something that, after 10 years, America still hasn't seemed to accomplish…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRPYTiN5Oso
Plus, Israel's memorial isn't afraid to single out terrorism & evil as the perpetrator of the attack. The American memorial, as currently planned, focuses more on multiculturalism and moral equivalency than the attack itself or the ideology that promoted the attack.
You're essentially wrong. Muhammad made it very clear the true doctrine of islam is HIS example. Verse 33:21). The quran lays down the foundation of islam and it is muhammad's example that demonstrates the proper interpretation of that foundation. The fact islam treats men and women differently is not evidence of relativism, but rather muhammd's own misogyny.
When you have "islamists" behaving as muhammad behaved, and muhammad's behavior is the measure of what is "true" islam and what is not, then it is very clear. Muhammad is the "quality control" for islam.
Also, unlike other Holy Books in which contradictory verses can be interpreted one way or the other, the quran gives specific direction that newer verses supersede earlier verses. There is no ambiguity.
(The quran was not conceived in the same order it is traditional compiled for print. It is important that everyone learn the chronological order of the quran. That will help in the understanding of abrogation and which obligations should be observed and which should be ignored.)
Islam is not subjected to the same relativism that other faiths can endure. It is very specific as to which verses are valid and which are abrogated, and it is clearly demonstrated by muhammad's "perfect" example of conduct (v. 33:21).
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