Census Stalkers
by Pamela GellerCensus 2010: overreaching and out of bounds. Intrusive. Harassing. I have now received two Census forms and thirteen or fourteen notices from the Census Bureau, and they are still coming.
For the past month I have been called, harassed and visited numerous times by a Pamela Childs of the Census Bureau, who was pursuing me for an interview. Knowing my rights under the law, even under the current Obama coup, I did not respond. I filled out my form — that which is required by law — but still received calls, visits, and notes. Daily.
At one point, I left a message saying I would not speak to her. Period. Mind you, I already filled out and sent in my form the day after I got it.
This nonsense began a month ago. A week passed after my last visit from Childs, and now I am being harassed again by another census drone, Constance Atman. They want to interview me poisonally. Thursday mail brought me two more letters from the Census — both from Atman’s supervisor, Lester A. Farthing, Regional Director. Farthing complained: “our Representative has been unable to reach you after numerous attempts.” And he wasn’t giving up: “Because of the importance of this survey, we would appreciate you telling us how you can be contacted.”
The country is going bankrupt, and they can’t throw money away fast enough on this power play.
It’s pretty clear that, as Dick Morris predicted last summer, Barack Obama intends to use the census to establish artificial Democrat majorities that will fix the upcoming elections and make sure that his socialist/internationalist policies take hold in America for decades to come. Remember how, in February 2009, Obama cynically tried to circumvent the Constitution by removing the Census from the jurisdiction of the Commerce Department and moving it to the White House — a brazen attempt to steal voting power for certain states and partisan groups within states. He also wanted to involve his scandal-ridden cronies of ACORN in the gathering of data for the Census. And he allocated one billion dollars in the porkulous package for the already automatically funded census taking.
And so census goons are now prying into my private life. Welcome to Oganda – America dominated by Obama Propaganda.
I suspect there is more in the offing. I am not a member of the Libertarian party, nor do I back their positions on drugs, foreign policy and the like, but I agree with the statement of their chairman, William Redpath, that “the federal government’s current census procedures are unconstitutional, unnecessary, and too expensive.” Redpath pointed out that “the census is constitutionally limited to collecting only one piece of information about each residence: the number of persons living in it.”
Redpath made a vital recommendation: “We urge Congress to change the census laws to comply with this constitutional limitation.” I certainly agree with that. And he added:
The U.S. Constitution empowers Congress to provide for a census in order to apportion Representatives correctly. The Constitution does not empower Congress to use a census for any other purpose. There is no need for Congress to collect additional information such as names, races, ages, sexes, or home ownership status. Unfortunately, the federal government wants to use the additional information to fine-tune its control over the lives and money of the American people.
Meanwhile, American citizens are not taking this lying down. One reader of my blog, AtlasShrugs.com, was selected (that is, compelled) to complete the insidiously intrusive “American Community Survey.” After not answering some of the question, this reader received a call from the Census Bureau, and explains: “Fact is that the Bureau didn’t like the fact that I would not reveal racial issues, health issues, health insurance, the plumbing in my home, details of employment, what transportation I use, marital history, taxes I pay, my phone service, education and many other prying questions found in this packet.”
Another reader sent me a copy of the Census form that he sent back. He answered all the questions that he is actually required by law to answer; over the rest, he wrote: “Go pound sand.”
That’s the free American spirit, the spirit of the Boston Tea Party, of those who protested against the Stamp Act.
American must protest the partisan appropriation and intrusive data-gathering of Census 2010. Obama is once again overstepping his Constitutional bounds. Free citizens must call him on it.
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I think it might help if you penciled in a few items on your return:
Number of guns owned: 4
Number of dogs owned: 2
Number of days without sleep because of Feds harassing me: 6
Dear Census person: do the math.
What the hell do they want?
Awesome.
Welcome to the United Socialist America!! The time to take back America is now. before it is too late
You are being targeted. I was too. Do your best to avoid and obsfucate. Remember anything you say can and will be used against you.
I'll do mine this week. I'm in no hurry to do it.
Pound sand will be my response as well!
I anwsered question 1, then wrote "Unconstitutional" across the rest of the form and sent it in. I hope they contact me, so I can tell them to " go to he11!"
Let's see them try to do this at every home in America. It's only a matter of time before they knock on the wrong door. I see a police state coming.
Well, CENSUS… SHMENSUS….. I could care less….
my tally:
250K+ a year and no money because of the OBLABLA and his cronnies…..
1 wife
2 kids
1 dog
and a MORGTAGE that I PAY FOR..
plus all the BS TAXS that OBLABLA and his CHOSEN staff have added to my BOTTOMLINE becuase I am SO CALLED RICH in the CHOSEN ONES EYES…..
If I have the time to fill it out….. after all the NEW TAX FORMS becasue of being a SMALL BUSINESS owner… thanks DEMS…. I guess that your party watns to KNOW MORE ABOUT me…… if you need to know more about me check me out ONLINE…. and get rid of the COUNTLESS NEW SALARIES that you ahev ADDED TO MY BOTTOM LINE BECUASE OF THIS CENSUS STUFF…
THE DEMS/PROGRESSIVE IS THE NEW SOCIAL-IST party….BIGGER GOVERNEMENT IN THERE EYES IS BETTER being that we the people have NO CLUE…..
HEY OBLABLA get a clue of what will happen this November.. your ALREADY A LAME DUCK and your last 2 years will be even worse!!!
My form asked me "How many people WHERE living in this resicednce as of April 2010?"
So now the future is past tense?
Well, as Orwell said, if you control the past…
For the questions I chose to fill answer, I used an indelible black marker that bled through the form horribly. It is sad that the form was so difficult to read when I finished. Additionally, I completely sealed the envelope in about four layers of duct tape to increase the postage costs and to make it very difficult for the bureau-weenies to open it. Although it wasn't much in the form of real resistance, I found the experience to be very enjoyable.
I'm sure all high profile conservatives will be targeted.
I took mine, opened it……. took a large BLACK magic marker and put a huge number '1' over the entire first page, and mailed it back. I can't wait for my visit from these drones. I'm answering the door in my underware and a beer in each hand and just stare at them till they go away! Since tbhat travesty last night I am not cooperating with ANY government entity!
Rolly
Videotape the interview and post it on line.
If you have asked them to stop and the contact contines, you could call the police or get a restraining order. Sounds like stalking to me.
This is good to know…………..I haven't received mine yet, but intend to only answer the question pertaining to how many people live in the house. As stated by others, they have no business to know anything else, nor should it matter in any statistics they are gathering.
It shouldn't matter what any of the other data would be…………………..oh, but under our current Regime I guess it does!! These people are insidious and will stop at nothing to keep their power and we should trust nothing they do.
And if I have a Census drone knocks on my door, the exchange will be short and pleasant. Any of us that have this unfortunate event happen we should merely state……………."Please show me in the Constitution where you have the right to ask any information of me other than the Constitutional intended purpose of the Census, to derive the population of the country to allow proper apportioning."
And then when they look at you with a blank stare…………like in what is a Constitution??………….then we can politely ask that they leave our property and tell them to "Have a good day!".
I figure since this is a 2010 Census that they don't really need my information until December 31, 2010 so no big hurry. When I do send it in it will just tell them how many people are in my household. I was going to write F-you for the rest of the questions, but I like another persons suggestion of writing Unconstitutional for the rest. If I'm able to move from the Socialist Republic of Washington sooner than the end of the year to the free state of Oklahoma then I'll fill it out then so Oklahoma gets credit for my residency rather than the Commie blue state I live in now.
Here is an article by David Horowitz on the subject. He laid out just how we should fill it out….its my plan on April 1, 2010…..and so begins civil disobedience.
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/03/17/dont-fill-...
I did the same thing.
I filled out all the fields N/A. If they come knocking I won't answer.
I say invite them over, especially the Supervisor. Have three friend over; one on a video camera, one taking notes and the other wispering in your ear about your rights (like a lawyer would.)
Post the video of how fast they leave your house online.
I answered the number of people question and then copied repeated clones of the Constitutional clause concering the census, taping it over every other page of the form, hand writing NOFYB on each sheet (acronym used in consideration of usage rules).
Remember, these census workers are being paid by the hour and for their mileage to come to your house repeatedly. They'd be happy to keep doing it and keep getting paid until they're told by their boss to stop. It's all money in their pocket.
On the short form, I answered the # of people
skipped down to #9 (race) checked "other" and typed HUMAN….
Please come to interview me, it is a loooong walk up my drive and a longer walk back to your battery-powered death box…
I wrote "None of your damn business, live free or die" and mailed it back.
Wrote on mine the required number of persons only and for race wrote American and nothing else. I hope they show up and step on my property.
how about: Q) Gun Owner? A) Maybe, come by late at night and find out…
Don't make threats be nice and say good by the fine is $100 for not answering $500 for lieing. Not answering is a movie, popcorn, dinner for two and I need to loose some weight.
[...] Census Stalkers [...]
Except I've seen the data from some of the oldest census undertaken by the US. In 1810, for example, they collected even more data than they do now – asking about country of origin and even what your profession was. But if you want to make up a fake history, go right ahead.
LMAO
Intended purpose? So you advocate for a living constitution then? You leftist commie!
Could you use the 5th Amendment here?
Where or were?
I really like this idea.
All that sounds like great fun. Here’s the problem though: You’re signaling to the census gnomes that you’re some sort of conservative. That information will be noted and can be used to aid in their gerrymandering schemes. It’s still tempting though!
The Misery Pimp-in-Chief, Mr. Obama, must have the data which allows him to gerrymander districts to allow purloined monies to flow from the have to the have-nots.
Luckily, we got the short form. Told them how many people live here. No long form with 200 aome questions about nonsense.
Lucky me.
i will write "Ouck Fobama" or something similar on my census form.
They sent a sweet little old lady to my house. I was looking forward to a nasally pinhead bureaucrat to yell at, and they sent me my Grandma. And she brought cookies. Needless to say, she left with all the info she wanted.
I answered only names and ages…as for everything else I wrote: "I refuse to answer". For "race" I put AMERICAN.
RACE: Boston Marathon.
Posted on my front door. Census taker 1. This is private property; please have your Federal I.D. in clear sight, and a copy of your birth certificate available. 2. Also be aware the owner reserves the right to conduct a search of your person to insure that no weapons, video, and or recording devices of any sort on on your person. 3. Regardless of the weather you will not be invited into this domicile, a warrant is required for entry. However there are chairs and a coffee table on the front porch for your comfort. Kool Aid available on request. 4. If you find these terms unacceptable there are (list of occupants follows) in this household. 5. The number of toilets, sinks, guns, and dogs is none of yours, Rahm Emanuel or his hired thugs (to include SEIU, ACORN, or parolees) business. Rahm fish served on Fridays) 6. A cope of the Constitution can be found at the locale library for reference material. Any instructions you have that are in conflict with that document are illegal, have a nice day.
answer the questions with
Amendment IV (1791)
The right of the people to be secure
in their persons, houses, papers,
and effects, against unreasonable
searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall
issue, but upon probable cause,
Applying to arrests and to searches
of persons, homes, and other
private places, this amendment
requires a warrant, thereby placing a
neutral magistrate between the
police and the citizen.
Amendment IX (1791)
The enumeration in the Constitution,
of certain rights, shall not be
construed to deny or disparage
Failure of the Constitution to
mention a specific right does not
mean that the government can
Amendment X (1791)
The powers not delegated to the
United States by the Constitution,
nor prohibited by it to the States, are
reserved to the States respectively,
or to the people.
The federal government is the
recipient of constitutionally
delegated powers. What is not
delegated remains in the states or in
the people.
That's hilarious!
Everything.
Have not sent ours in yet….. It's just sitting there on the counter.. I just can't quite muster up enough energy to pick it up, because then I'll have to open it, which would be followed by reading it.. then I'd have to find a pen.. hum, I wonder where that pen is oh wait, I forgot to put the clothes in the dryer………..
My response will be simple: "NONEYA"
Meaning "None of Your Business"
Don't get caught up in what is right or wrong with respect to the Census. If you live in a state that leans Republican – overstate the number of people in the residence. List all of them as non-white and you won't be bothered. If you live in a Democrat state understate the number of residents. If you don't like the questions they ask – lie about the answers and make the lies one the govvies will like.
No sign of any sort of form in my mailbox yet. What's with that?
Using what is called the "Intelligent Bar Code System", the Census Bureau can check on what letters have been delivered, residents who have changed their addresses, homes and apartments that are unoccupied and who has returned their Census form, all in real time.
The census has been used for nefarious purposes before…
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-03-30-ce...
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=...
Remember this, all the talk about confidentiality is only as good as the word of our government. You decide how much faith to put in it.
Here is what I got from the Census 2010 website and it seems authoritative. If there is something wrong with their information, please point it out.
I think the bigger issue here is a person who mailed in the form is being harassed. There is a fine of $100 for not providing information, and $500 for intentionally providing false information. So the way I see it, completely fill out the form and mail it in. If you get bothered after that, tell them you answered all the questions on the form and you have a copy to prove it. Use you local trespassing laws if they show up at your house. In Texas, after you ask someone to leave your property and they don't, they are trespassing. Force (but not deadly force) is authorized to remove a trespasser. Taser is a good solution.
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Questions beyond a simple count are Constitutional
It is constitutional to include questions in the decennial census beyond those concerning a simple count of the number of people. On numerous occasions, the courts have said the Constitution gives Congress the authority to collect statistics in the census. As early as 1870, the Supreme Court characterized as unquestionable the power of Congress to require both an enumeration and the collection of statistics in the census. The Legal Tender Cases, Tex.1870; 12 Wall., U.S., 457, 536, 20 L.Ed. 287. In 1901, a District Court said the Constitution's census clause (Art. 1, Sec. 2, Clause 3) is not limited to a headcount of the population and "does not prohibit the gathering of other statistics, if 'necessary and proper,' for the intelligent exercise of other powers enumerated in the constitution, and in such case there could be no objection to acquiring this information through the same machinery by which the population is enumerated." United States v. Moriarity, 106 F. 886, 891 (S.D.N.Y.1901).
The census does not violate the Fourth Amendment. Morales v. Daley, 116 F. Supp. 2d 801, 820 (S.D. Tex. 2000). In concluding that there was no basis for holding Census 2000 unconstitutional, the District Court in Morales ruled that the 2000 Census and the 2000 Census questions did not violate the Fourth Amendment or other constitutional provisions as alleged by plaintiffs. (The Morales court said responses to census questions are not a violation of a citizen's right to privacy or speech.) "…[I]t is clear that the degree to which these questions intrude upon an individual's privacy is limited, given the methods used to collect the census data and the statutory assurance that the answers and attribution to an individual will remain confidential. The degree to which the information is needed for the promotion of legitimate governmental interests has been found to be significant. A census of the type of Census 2000 has been taken every ten years since the first census in 1790. Such a census has been thought to be necessary for over two hundred years. There is no basis for holding that it is not necessary in the year 2000."
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit affirmed the District Court decision on October 10, 2001, 275 F.3d 45. The U.S. Supreme Court denied petition for writ of certiorari on February 19, 2002, 534 U.S. 1135. No published opinions were filed with these rulings.
The only way they will get off your back is to contact your congressman & raise hell. He will send them a letter to stay away, otherwise they don't give up. That's your taxdollars at work.
I put the number of people in my home, I checked other for race and wrote in American. On the outside of the envelope, I wrote "Stop wasting my tax dollars on ridiculous ads and multiple mailings."
Did everyone get the letter the week BEFORE the census that told you the census form was coming?
By the way, here is the link to the 2000 Census mentioned in the above court cases. Looks like exactly the same questions as 2010. I just filled out my 2010 form last night.
http://www.census.gov/dmd/www/pdf/d61a.pdf
Number, names, ages, sex, and 9. Check “Some other race” and write in “American”. That's it. They don't need to know my housing status. F'm.
Race? Human or American. That is all.
Everybody, just remember that in the 2000 census not one single American was fined. Yet they still insist on threatening us. That is because the gov. knows that the fines will never pass Constitutional muster.
How much do you think they paid for the "Census 2010" Super Bowl ad?? That is what really concerns me. I don't remember the gov spending this much money promoting the 2000 Census.
I feel bad for the poor shmoes they have hired to be "Census Takers" they have no idea what they are in for.
On my census form under "race" I checked "other" and wrote in GermanAmerican. For my wife ItalianAmerican and for my son GermanItalAmerican………. And I did not fill in my age or phone number.
LMAO…..mrm-in-wnc
Ditto!
They do not need to ask your occupation anymore, amongst many other questions. Think about they have the IRS amongst dozens more bureaus to track you…all the way down to school records. Come on, they know what you made on your finger painting project in pre-k. The census is about attempting to re-district the politicians voting bloc so that they can grid-lock the control and power. This is why the liberals were so upset when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of allowing corporations to donate to campaigns.
YA, I thought it was a complaint about spelling haha
RS…. I did mine the day it came, but it has been languishing on the desk for a couple of weeks.
I'm just not in the mood to mail it yet, anyone know the deadline date, never-mind it's probably
on the form. la te da, la te dee
One great way to handle the intrusive questions, which puts the question in terms federal bureaucrats instantly understand (and cannot answer):
"What is your authority for asking this question or gathering this information?"
If they cannot cite US Code, then they are powerless to ask.
I read with amazement that "Hispanic" is not to be considered a "race". WTF? I'm sure La Raza will have to decide what they are instead…….the sheer ignorance of it all. By the way….Filling it out the Horowitz way is all you need to do….I decided though, for fun, that we have 57 toilets, and no plumbing. That should get one of the drones perplexed for a bit. If they are stupid enough to try a face to face…..I copied my census form, and I will hand it to them, and tell them to get the hell off my porch. The government gets zero help from me from here on out.
C R, LMAO………yours will probably get the potential letter bomb treatment!
These people just get creepier and creepier. Marxism sucks.
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Bingo, I officially appoint Rolly GENIUS of this thread ! LMAO / w copious tears
HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Please put that encounter on You Tube. And let us all know when you do it.
David
Same here cepy i wrote
None of your business
Yeah…pounding sand sounds like a good thing to keep ACORN busy with…in Afghanistan!
sounds great
and ill have my camel lit up just a puffin away
I don't care if they do send grandma to my house. The neighborhood is going to hear me yelling at her to get the "blank" off my property.
and more.
I am sorry to hear that.
cant dis grandma
but i work with the elderly and you can get around em
My reply: "As I am not well versed in temporal linguistics I'm not certain how I'm supposed to answer a question about an event or date that hasn't occurred yet. When I hear back from Mr. Adams on the matter I'll let you know."
I love your attitude, guys!
Damn good idea!!!
And let them know your taping it
Bet you a dollar to doughnut they leave
post of the week!!!!
ooops mine got coffee all over it….
They raised the fine to $5000 for this census using a separate piece of legislation.. I believe no one has ever been fined before due to non-compliance, but I think this year it will be different.
Other: American
Some time in the near future:
"Ma'am I'm sorry we can't give you that cancer treatment, we've discovered that you did not fill out your 2010 census and your a Republican . . . don't worry this will not hurt . . . it will all be over soon . . ."
Draw black lines vertically across the bar code so it can not be read
post of the year!!!!
I would expect the leftists to not know what's in the constitution, but come on people. It says that the census will be conducted "in such Manner as they shall by Law direct" and originally included a lot of the questions people object to today. If you think this is a violation of your privacy then get your rep/senators to change the law, but let's not be ignorant of the constitution when it seems to help us.
Article 1, Section 2:
The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct.
Well, I sent in the form I got in the mail, because what's in it didn't seem like any big deal. But, if they start hounding me for any other information….I will treat them the same way they treat their constituents….not available at this time. Keep trying…I'll get back to ya.
Oh crap, a dingo just ate my census form! Send the $100 fine to the dingo.
How is the census bureau going to verify my answers?
If I say the wrong number that live here how will they know?
If I misspell someone’s name or mix up their birthdate how will they know?
If I say someone is one race how do they know I picked the right one? Maybe I just thought they kinda looked like that race.
No one has talked about this yet.
Thanks for the Pro-tip. Can't wait to fill mine out and send in on April Fool's Day.
did you put a small tear in the envelope leaking corn starch or some other vague white powder?
Reyol called it. You might as well say "Conservative Voter Lives Here", and they will gerrymander your vote into oblivion.
Indy 500, yeah, baybee!!!!!!!! (it just don't get more American than that!) ok, maybe the Kentucky Derby…
same here. and the pair of reminder postcards in today's mail hit the trash on my way back thru the garage.
I'm not really sure what the fuss is all about with regards to the census form. First of all, it is one of the few things the government does these days which it is constitutionally permitted to do. Also, it involves information that is vital for providing funding for schools and other essential services. Just grow up and fill the form out already. All it does is ask for your name, the number of people in your house, and your age and race. It's not like they are asking for your bank account information or what political party you are a member of. By forcing agents to call you or come to your house, you are just wasting your own taxpayer money and drawing unnecessary attention to yourself.
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