2010: Historic Political Realignment or Just a False Start?
by Of Thee I Sing 1776The ink wasn’t dry yet in the Saturday editions of the NY Times and the Washington Post and the news stories were all about “winners and losers” from the last minute agreement which had been reached to avert a government shutdown. Similarly, the Sunday talk shows featuring the usual “in the know” experts were debating about whether Speaker Boehner won or lost, whether the tea party had prevailed or overreached and whether the president had improved his reelection prospects.
Not much different than the halftime analysts during the just completed NCAA tournament discussing how to overcome poor first half play or hold a lead; the talking heads continue to see everything as if it were a sporting event. One would think that people who have daily access to those in power and whose job it is to enlighten their audience might see the events they cover in the context of what is unfolding in our national life. There are far more profound issues to address than which politician or which party came out on top during the most recent news cycle, such as whether some new trend is brewing that may indicate what the electorate wants from its government (and also what they don’t want), whether the matter on which they are reporting portends a major philosophical shift in the body politic, or is instead simply something merely ephemeral …more like a spring zephyr which blows a light breeze and then fades away. The big question they should consider with all the airtime they occupy is whether America is in the early stages of a political realignment.
Historians have seen many US elections as “realignments.” A few examples: When the fever of the Civil War had cooled, a new generation of leaders and issues emerged which resulted in the election of William McKinley in 1896 bringing conservative business oriented Republicans to dominance. The election of Wilson in 1912 (he was reelected in 1916) was an aberration during this period of dominance largely because former Republican President Theodore Roosevelt ran on a third party ticket in that year, splitting the Republican vote. GOP pre-eminence continued after World War I, a period of almost unparalleled significant prosperity in America which lasted until the 1929 market crash and the ensuing Great Depression.
FDR’s election in 1932 and his New Deal policies followed and the Democrats remained in control (with the exception of the Eisenhower years …1952-1960) until 1968.
In 1964 the southern states, which had been reliably Democratic since the late 1880s, …the so-called solid south …moved into the GOP corner because, at long last, the civil rights movement in America had begun to dismantle the racist Jim Crow south. The white rejectionists in the southern states voted against the Democrats because of their embrace of the civil rights movement. Perhaps further realignment in the Democrats’ favor would have taken place, but disgust with the Vietnam War spelled the end of the Lyndon Johnson presidency and brought the Republicans back to the White House.
With the important exception of the Reagan years and their aftermath (more about that later) control has swung back and forth, typically as a result of one-time issues of importance in particular congressional or presidential elections.
Ironically, the great recession of 2007-2008 and the election of Barack Obama was thought by many to be akin to FDR’s victory in 1932 and to foreshadow a long term return to power for the Democrats who won historic majorities in Congress and brought a liberal Democrat back to the presidency. However, something else also was stirring in the land: American voters began to focus not just on pinning blame on the party in power for causing the great recession, they began to focus substantially on root causes (i.e., the drain to the nation’s fiscal health from out of control and unprecedented peacetime debt and deficits) and the fact that the Democratic majority seemed not to recognize the danger. Rather, they were prescribing their time honored prescription …deficit Keynesian spending rather than any emphasis on getting the nation’s exploding debt and deficits under control. Thus, in 2010 we witnessed a complete reversal of the 2008 results.
It is too early to pronounce 2010 as a defining election. Too much can happen that would reverse yet again the trend 2010 might portend. President Obama is very well liked personally, and, unlike 2010, he will be at the head of the Democratic ticket in 2012. The Republicans for their part do not yet have a presidential candidate and, moreover, there is a seeming schism among Congressional Republicans especially in the House of Representatives.
However, Republican leaders so far have stuck with their deficit and debt reduction philosophy in completing the current fiscal year budget. It is far less important whether budget cuts were $33 billion or $37 billion for the remainder of the current fiscal year or whether one or another rider such as Planned Parenthood funding was included or not. Not that they aren’t important matters, they just are not dispositive of anything. Even though the GOP controls only one-half of the Congress and not the presidency they took a philosophical stance, stuck to it and opened the door on the more comprehensive debate soon to follow. There will be more serious fiscal issues to face this year, most importantly the debt ceiling. Many GOP members say they will not vote to raise the debt limit but they all know that the United States will not be able to finance and refinance its outstanding bonds if the debt limit isn’t raised and that a default by the US Treasury is unfathomable. However, they will surely seek to extract more deficit reduction concessions or policy compromises such as an agreement to allow an up or down vote on reform of the tax system or of the social security system as their price for approving a debt ceiling increase. Everett Dirksen’s jocular remark over 50 years ago: “a billion dollars here and a billion dollars there and soon we’ll be talking real money” seems apropos here although not in the way he meant it. A billion here and a billion there of savings in the current budget are, sadly, a mere pittance when viewed against the changes in government programs, which could happen if only some of the changes proposed in Paul Ryan’s GOP budget are enacted. It is the outcome of the debate over those ideas, which could herald a political realignment …not simply a realignment of parties but a shift in the role of government in our lives. And that is the real context of the just-before-midnight agreement, which avoided a government shutdown.
That is why the period between now and the 2012 elections are more comparable to the 1980 election, which heralded what is known as the Reagan revolution. While no two realignment elections can be completely similar, the 1980 election of Ronald Reagan seems most worth analyzing. The Carter presidency was widely regarded as a massive failure, the economy was in a shambles (at that time, unlike now, due to historically high interest rates and unprecedented inflation …which many economists are now predicting to be in our future as a result of the easy money policies which the Fed has been following), oil prices were at historic highs, the nation was being humiliated by Iran and Mr. Carter’s diagnosis was that the country was suffering from “a malaise.” In short, 1980 was the culmination of invidious problems and not the result of a dramatic event such as the Civil Rights movement, a stock market crash or Vietnam.
Mr. Reagan rallied America with new and bold steps. Dealing with a Democratic controlled Congress he obtained legislation to stimulate economic growth, curb inflation, increase employment, all the while strengthening national defense. While it took painful measures to curb inflation, Mr. Reagan’s ever present optimism convinced America that our national greatness could and would be restored. While parts of his overall vision could have been more easily enacted had he compromised on his principles, he persevered. By the time he left office in 1989, the country was in the midst of a sustained period of peace and prosperity.
That is the real challenge for the Republicans if 2012 is to become a realigning election. Far more is on the “plate” than even Mr. Reagan faced. To get our fiscal house in order without doing harm to the less fortunate will take a great deal of hard work. Undoing dependency on cradle to grave government programs is a daunting task and it won’t be accomplished, if at all, in a single Congress. It will take some early successes to demonstrate step by step that major revisions in programs will not be the Armageddon that the left warns it will be. To be sure there will need to be some compromises and mid-course corrections but it is the voters who ultimately will decide, and to maintain their support will require strong and unwavering leadership from political leaders who the public both trusts and likes.
Was 2010 a realigning election? At this stage we may, indeed, be in the midst of a political realignment in the United States.
By Hal Gershowitz and Stephen Porter







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Realignment or no, CONgress does not yet seem to take the plight of the REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC
we wish to maintain seriously…
We will TEA Party them all out of DC if they continue to fail on this front.
WE THE PEOPLE are determined to preserve the Founding Fathers vision.
Happy Trails!
" There are far more profound issues to address than which politician or which party came out on top
during the most recent news cycle…
TRUE, however that depends on ones goal. If during the negotiations with Speaker Boehner the LEFT saw
him as a player, who could be counted on to negotiate away his position of power, of course they are going
to encourage their allies, the MSM to give him the nod as the winner… We're fools if we swallow that narrative.
The burning question for me? How many times did Boehner break down in sobs like a spoiled child during
those talks? He's merely worried about preserving his job, as are too damn many of the DC ELITE!!!
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The Tea Party is the republican party and the Karl Roves of the country had better wake up.
IT IS OFFICIALLY RINO HUNTING SEASON.
So far I've seen incremental solutions to monumental problems.
That's not going to fix the problem.
Our global financial crisis cannot be corrected by "tweaking" the budget.
"How many times did Boehner break down in sobs like a spoiled child during
those talks?"
Nah. They just sat there with Boehner and obama sipping drinks and smoking cigs while reid regaled them with innane stories and cowboy poetry.
Then they went ahead and spent the same money they were gonna spend anyway.
No doubt we are entering a realignment of epic proportions. Three wars and a deficit spiraling out of control, and a total moron driving the car headlong into the ditch. It's not looking good! However, I think the Czar signing statement is the most dangerous move of all. Congress defunded those positions, they didn't eliminate them. Obama thinks he can continue funding them; a clear separation of powers break that needs to be stopped asap. What Obama seems not to grasp is that nobody cares if he hires a bunch of boot licking power jock sniffers to "advise" him, he's always been free to do so. It is giving them executive powers over entire Departments of the government that is the issue.
Precisely what we need at this time are strong leaders who exude confidence and a positive attitude and who look progressives right in the face and tell them no, that this nation is not a socialist nation and that not only are we not going down the socialist path but we are now turning around and heading the other way. And then that must be backed up with action. This fight is not over. Last November was just the first round. We have many rounds to go, and after that we have to remain forever vigilant. It's clear that this socialist monster is not going to die — it's been around well over a century and will pop back up again after we think we have extinguished it.
We need to get rid of Karl Rove. From the Tea Party perspective he is the friggin problem. He is old guard elite and he feels he is part of calling the shots. He cares not for the people, he cares for himself. I email Hannity daily to lose the Rino Rove, might some of you join me?
"The ink wasn’t dry yet in the Saturday editions of the NY Times and the Washington Post and the news stories were all about “winners and losers” from the last minute agreement which had been reached to avert a government shutdown."
Deficit spending won, we the people lost. Simple.
"……….2010: Historic Political Realignment or Just a False Start?……."
Not until there is a philosophical "realignment",………
in all other American institutions (i.e, education, journalism),……
will there be "Political Realignment".
Until then, when the Democrats are in power,…..
they will advance their cause and,…..
when the Republicans are in "power",…..
they will merely delay the Democrat cause.
As for:
"……… There are far more profound issues to address than which politician or which party came out on top
during the most recent news cycle……."
We the people have long since been relegated to be merely observers,……..
in the competition between politicians,…….
that goes on in Washington.
The only problem with this situation is that,……..
the politicians are always the winners and,…….
we are always the losers.
President Reagan focused on everything he felt would maintain America's greatness and strength. And he helped shape that attitude amongst the peoples. He didn't set out to "fundamentally change" while pandering to those who would see us harm while criticizing the country he swore an oath to defend and protect.
We do need a realignment of the political structures existing today. But NOT aligned with the ideologies of our current man/boy-in-chief….
The 2012 elections will not be a party realignment but more a values adjustment. The overall sentiment in the country is that core values and principles have been abandoned for election and reelection. The one major factor in all of politics is to gain a majority and control the narrative. We have clearly seen what the Democrats have in mind and we have also seen capitulation by the Republicans in an effort to gain favor with independents and some waffling Democrats. What the majority of Americans want is very simple to understand. First, stand firm on the Constitution as written. Second find the spine to do the right thing fiscally and reign in the debt. Third and no less important, accept the fact that the United States is the last true bastion of freedom. We are exceptional and owe it to ourselves to confidently believe it so.
Assume a false start and continue pushing political realignment.
It's clear that this socialist monster is not going to die –"
You're right on every point, and we have become a nation of softies who lack the courage to kill our enemy,
figuratively speaking, of course. We wrestle the LEFT to a point of submission every few years, but back
off due to our distaste for political blood. That is precisely why Sarah Palin strikes fear in the hearts of the
LEFT and the RINO Right… she's a hunter, who knows how to field-dress a moose… or a donkey…
Happy Trails!
; )
"The only problem with this situation is that,……..
the politicians are always the winners and,…….
we are always the losers. "
Much like a divorce case, the two parties tend to both lose while the representation of the parties regardless of the direction the law takes win out and collect the spoils of the case.
Ha ha. True dat.
Time for a divorce from the representation I say. Heh, heh.
Easier said than done. If McCain had been toppled, I would be feeling a lot better about the ability of the Tea Party to overcome the established entrenched party machine republicans.
2012 will determine how permanent the political realignment is. One thing that is a key issue is the voter. How much pain are they willing to suffer to get the US financial house in order? Or, do they pay lip service to the debt problem and prefer business as usual, knowing that the day of reckoning is ahead? This is key to any realignment.
There are clearly defined ideological differences between Republican and Democrat policy toward a host of issues: from the deficit, to the size of government, to the entitlements, to energy, to the US place & power in the world. How both parties respond in the run up to 2012 is important because the voters are watching.
When the voter goes into the election booth, they will finally answer the question about realignment. Do they accept the pain or do they want the comfort of the past.
I agree Hadit, and because Hannity chose to continue to have McCain and Rove as well as others
of the ELITE RULING CLASS on his tv and radio programs regularly to comment on important issues
I have found other sources for my information.
LOL, life without Fox News is not as empty as I thought it might be… Now I watch occasionally and
wonder how I could have stomached their tripe. Their version is merely propaganda lite, IMO.
Happy Trails!
With the important exception of the Reagan years and their aftermath (more about that later) control has swung back and forth, typically as a result of one-time issues of importance in particular congressional or presidential elections.
I think it's possible to make an argument that at the Presidential level, the Democrats have a very tough time.
Carter only won as a national response to Nixon's disgrace.
Clinton only won because Perot split the vote. He never got 50% of the vote.
Obama only won because of a faked financial scare that opened the door to the greatest theft of wealth in human history, coupled with an unprecedented and relentless anti-Bush propaganda campaign.
The entire Democrat approach to maintaining power is increasing the illegal alien population and adding these people to the Social Welfare roles and getting them to vote for handouts.
According to the latest CNN Opinion Research poll, only 32% of Americans have a favorable opinion of the Tea Party. That makes the far right less popular than the establishment GOP, at 44%, and the Democratic Party at 46%.
And Real Clear Politics, which leans right, has the generic ballot favoring Republicans by only 1.5%.
Hardly indicative of a realignment, or even a significant pendulum swing. You had a perfect storm: A midterm election (in which old folks are typically over represented and young people sit out); an almost unprecedented economic crisis; democrats holding seats in conservative districts that they never would have held if not for the disastrous Bush presidency, and a racist backlash against the first black president.
And, let's face it, America likes a divided government. And it probably works best that way.
Interesting analysis, but I would like to make a couple of additional points regarding two of the political shifts, because the similarities (if you know your history!) are unmistakeable:
1. Hoover/Roosevelt
Hoover was a very stupid economist, and many of his actions (along with a compliant congress), both directly and indirectly, allowed a bad recession to inflate into a depression. Roosevelt ran AGAINST these policies. Once elected, he tripled down on the worst Hoover policies – indefinitely prolonging and deepening the depression. Keep in mind that much of the government's economoic intervention policies that originated with Hoover were expanded under Roosevelt.
Incompetence followed by lies, followed by more incompetence. Sickening.
2. Bush/Obama
Although not to the extent of Hoover, Bush was also a lousy economist. The expansion of government interference and spending during the Bush years – as condoned by Bush, cannot be disputed. Yes, it got much worse after 2006, and a lot of bad policy predated Bush, yada, yada – but it's hard to argue that from 2006 onward, Bush and his advisors cooperated with a compliant congress to increase spending, federal programs, TARP, bailouts, etc… Obama ran AGAINST these policies -at least outwardly in front of the MSM. Just like Roosevelt – Obama tripled down on the worst parts of the Bush era. Debt, stimulus, bailouts – and now – wars.
Incompetence followed by lies, followed by more incompetence (probably malice this time). Sickening.
The anarchist already have that well under way. I'm looking forward to suspension of the Constitution–the Leftards will be amazed at how well that works out for us when we can't be held accountable for our transgressions, too.
Same here.
I've already stopped listening to Hannity….
He gives A-holes like Sharpton a soapbox and ignores real Constitional Conservatives….
; ) Glad to know there are others who are awake to the realities we are currently experiencing.
Happy Trails, A_pen!
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Off topic, but do you know when the first earth day was celebrated? The first Earth Day was April 22, 1970, the centennial of the birth of Vladimir Lenin, Bolshevik godfather, architect of the communist totalitarian state. When I found this it really opens up ones eyes even more. The anniversary was a huge deal to the global communist movement and the USSR, where the man’s wretched entrance into this world was treated like the advent of Christ. Speaking of the number “100,” Lenin’s ideology killed over 100 million worldwide.
"Truth will ultimately prevail where there is pains to bring it to light." George Washington
You can't fault Bush (W) and laud Reagan. Their fiscal policies were identical. Cut taxes, primarily for the rich, fund those tax cuts with debt, and accelerate government spending. Feels good in the short term, as every binge does, and results in ballooning deficits and reduced long-term GDP growth.
Yes he's right but what course we need is that of McCarthy. We saw what collusion among the conspirators did to him though and they number even more now. The only way to stop the destruction is to assure there is no question of allegiances and that can not be done without supr majorities who will be fought tooth and nail by the socialists media.
Palin may have her hunting skills but she also has compassion. She will not hunt anything to extinction. In fact she has a fascination with game which is what allowed the dissolution of constitutional protections and the amending of it under dubious pretenses and legitimacy. We don't need a hunter but a strategist and a man who delegates to capable professionals, especially those who make changing minds a one time opportunity.
They cannot even imagine.
I don't believe I mentioned Palin as a presidential candidate, did I?;-D
We need her as the #1 Donkey, and RINO hunter, she is a valuable asset for fighting the LEFT,
and seems to do it with such contagious enthusiasm. She doesn't seem to mind taking on the
blue-haired, blue-blood RINO's either… mm mm mm, calling Granny Bush!!!
If we turn our backs on every possible candidate the LEFT demonizes, WHO will we run?
We will be left with NO ONE!!!
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We didn't get rid of enough RINO's. Anyone seen the latest on Fox and Drudge where McCain is calling the Libyan Rebels his hero's?
Right. So Earthday founder Gaylord Nelson, former Governor of Wisconsin and Chairman of the Senate Small Business Committee, just pretended to be a staunch capitalist and tireless advocate for business. He really was a Communist.
And this is you with your eyes wide open? Embarrassing.
"You can't fault Bush (W) and laud Reagan"
I didn't laud Reagan – my post(s) had nothing to do with Reagan.
We need a constitutional realignment, from under foot to witness stand. It is government tyranny v liberty not party politics. Every dangerous and damaging policy in place today has endured multiple congresses without redress. Our problem is not political, it is legal. We are played for fools, tested and triumphed over by slicksters who know that less than half the people ever have the courage and wisdom to act timely and decisively in the face of despotism. The rule of law, the constitution, was to remove trust from the public to act wisely while still granting a government potency. Unfortunately even a few who might act righteously when the law is vuiolated and no redress permitted otherwise have yet to be discovered. They exist but the enemy is ruthless, cunning and has through a century developed a network of despicable people who only care about their personal wealth. McCarthy could barely nick their facade, Regan saw but lost faith and today, well, it's all or nothing for whoever will pick up the shield and unite us for preservation by not just naming traitors but issuing reprisals.
Regrettably I must agree with you. Don't watch as much Fox as I used to and will probably watch less when Beck is gone. Methinks Fox is becoming too much inside the beltway/Eastern establishment. Not as much as the other alphabet news organizations, of course, but it is there. Either Fox is changing or I'm becoming more "radical".
The South, by the way, did NOT desert Democrats because "they supported the Civil Rights Act." In fact, Democrats, had there not been a GOP at the time, would have DEFEATED the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It was ONLY because of GOP support that it passed. The South deserted Democrats because they finally "got it" about the Democrats' headlong rush towards more and more, bigger and more intrustive government. Which, by the way, was in part the CAUSE of the Civil War.
Very much agree. The thing that is not recognized is that one can stand firm on the Constitution without paying lip service to it. It is the principles that count! Most people will recognize the truth when they hear it, and generally agree with it. As Glenn Beck frequently states, the truth has no agenda. Someone who speaks the truth and acts on it. That is what I want in a candidate.
Not to mention all those ''callers'' he wastes our time with,,, in his attempt to prove he's giving
voice to the ''other'' side. He may think he is proving the point of their ignorance by letting them
eat up so much air-time, but we know what they think, and they know what they think, therefor I
deduce my time is wasted hearing that BS, day after day.
"…and a racist backlash against the first black president."
Good example of projection by a so-called "Progressive." It's not possible for anyone to see beyond race/color and to judge a person based on their performance. Right? Racial minorities are to be indulged and coddled — perhaps even pitied — by their racial superiors. Right? Of course nobody would ever have anything negative to say about Obama — no criticism whatsoever — if not for the fact that he's partially black. Right? Sorry to break it to you, but most people are not as racist — and obsessed with matters of race — as you and your "progressive" brethren. And decent people do not thinks its okay to manipulate racial issues, and to use whole races of their fellow human beings, for political gain. But obviously you have no problem doing so. Right?
I am just posting a fact. The interpretation and take is up to you and others who should do their own due diligence.
It all began with presidential candidates going on the late night shows for exposure to the non-politically active "younger hip crowd''.
I knew it was a mistake way back then… We were better off without their participation in the
political realm. They gave us lil' o, and screwed their own future with that cute move, they're IDIOTS! In fact, they probably still don't fully grasp what they've done to themselves, or
the nation.
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and that great American crap is getting old…
I, now, only listen to Rush and Levin….
Please expound on your statement that Palin "has a fascination with game which allowed the dissol-
ution of constitutional protections and the amending of it under dubious pretenses and legitimacy".
That seems a pretty hefty charge IMO. I ask only to gain knowledge, not necessarily to attempt to
defend her.
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Wrong. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and pushed through Congress by a Democratic President, who know that it would cost him the racist Democrats the South. And indeed, he was proved right. The racist Red States left to join the Republican Party, where the racist Red States remain. This is not opinion. You can spin much of history. But this has been exhaustively documented.
The part of your statement that is true is that many Republicans did support the legislation. But that was when both parties were ideologically broader, and contained both liberal and conservative wings. The Northeast, for example, had a robust liberal Republican Party. They supported the Civil Rights Act. Conservative Republicans — Barry Goldwater (Ronald Reagan also) — joined with the Democratic conservatives of the South to oppose the act. One of the most profound shifts then was not just regional — with the South turning red — but ideological. Democrats are now less conservative and Republicans have expelled the liberals and moderates. In fact, one could argue that our existing extreme partisanship has its roots in the 1964 legislation, which concentrated all the racists and reactionaries into one party.
Liberals and moderates of both parties supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Conservative racists of both parties opposed it.
Pone, I don't know if there is a last straw for me, per se. It's when they drag in the same inside the beltway talking heads to comment on events that gets to me. About the only time those guests are interesting is when they have some Tea Party organizer on who lets loose with both barrels. Then they echo the other “news” organizations with wall to wall coverage of Charlie Sheen, the Royal Farce…errr…wedding, and break away to school bus crashes in Cleveland. (Really, I feel bad for those people, but there ain't much I can do about it and it seems an event of more interest to people in Cleveland and Ohio). They are slipping into mediocrity.Their piss poor defense of Glenn Beck is especially galling…..
Nice post A_, and you have perfectly articulated why we never see any of these law-breaking shysters
go to Federal prison for their transgressions.
It is ALL about the PHILOSOPHY !
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IMO it was old the day he began it ; )
Sooooo damn juvenile…
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Wrong, actually. I gave a list of causes and contributing factors. Racism was one. I did not express an opinion on how significant or widespread it is.
Unless you can tell me that racism was not a factor in a single vote cast against Obama or Democrats, you are simply, indisputably wrong. Good luck.
Please point to the part where I wrote "most people are racist." And if you can't, why are you making dishonest, strawman arguments? Is it maybe because you have no legitimate point?
Please point to the part where I wrote that it is "Okay to manipulate racial issues." If you can't, why are you making dishonest, strawman arguments.
Please point to the part where I wrote that "nobody would ever have anything negative to say about Obama." If you can't, why are you pretending I said that?
Do I need to continue? Your army of strawman will not save you from the truth. Some of the resistance to Obama's presidency is race based. There's just no getting around it.
Point taken. By you I meant your side, which I assume is conservative and almost universally does laud Reagan. If you are not among them, I apologize.
could be the real reason he's leaving…
So far, I've seen nothing but political theatre…
and I'm about to walk out and ask for a refund on my ticket….
<DIV>The problem is you're the one who's wrong. It's true that LBJ pushed it through Congress, but Ronald Reagan did NOT oppose it in the least, and Barry Goldwater's only opposition was that he believed it violated the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment–not that “equal rights” were, in and of themselves, a bad thing, and the penultimate conservative, Charleton Heston, actually MARCHED with Dr. King on several occasions. There are photos of them marching together all over the place. MOST of the States in the U.S. are “red states.” Look at ANY electoral map of the last three presidential elections. So you're saying that any red state is also a RACIST state? That's a racist comment in and of itself. The shift from Democrat to Republican in the South was the result of headlong liberalism running them off…racism had nothing to do with it. THAT'S what's been “exhaustively documented.” Any other opinion is just that…and opinion and speculative, at that. It's called “projection”–attributing to one's opponents the thoughts and motivations that lie in one's own heart–and NO ONE is better at it than “progressives”…meaning today's Democrats. I was an adult in 1964, sonny, and I can tell you EXACTLY what happened then. I lived it.</DIV> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”>
Amen. Truth is pure, no agenda, no corruption.
As Patton stated, "Do not tell someone how to do something. Tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their ingenuity."
Deuse,
I just found this on RCP from a friend. Very thoughtful analysis of the situation. Think you might like it. Since you're signed up with ID here, RCP Discus recognizes you and you can sign in. I'd really love to get you over there once in a while. Think there's some real meat there for you to chew on. Got all the fat we need just about everywhere else.
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Jake in Louisiana
"In short, I think Sean has placed too high a value on the national trends, even though some of those are very troubling for Obama, and ignored a key demographic fact that was evident in 2010 mid-terms and which may be even more so in 2012–the Democratic Party base is very highly concentrated in a few states, admittedly with large electoral vote totals, but which nonetheless leaves it at a loss for a diffused outreach to the American voting public in general. In simple terms, the number of states a presidential candidate carries does matter and there are many troubling signs for Obama when one compares the recent trends in a group of key states he won in 2008 which may portend for a more difficult uphill climb next year than one might initially understand when looking at the national picture.
First; take a look at Obama's two big prizes, the "gimme" states of New York and California. Okay, he will win both of those, even though the GOP in California refuses to die. That's 84 electoral votes out of the starting block, and then you can throw in a handful of smaller states that seem Obama's for the taking such as Maine, Vermont, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Delaware, Maryland, the District of Columbia, Illinois, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington, and Hawaii. That's 107 more, getting his total electoral vote count up to 191.
But there are three important things to note about the preceding group of so-called "gimme" states for Obama: 1) The aforementioned list of smaller prizes is really an optimistic outlook on Obama's electoral college math. Massachusetts, New Jersey, and even Illinois could likely become much more competitive contests in 2012 if the GOP does not pick a cultural warrior who alienates independent voters in those states, as important campaign surprises over the past two years have shown. The election wins of Chris Christie, Scott Brown, and Mark Kirk all say that a fiscally-focused and economically-upright GOP candidate will attract voter attention in those three states and such a candidate would compare very well to Obama, who is regarded as weak on fiscal and economic matters by voters everywhere; 2) Even with a tightening of electoral competition in some of the aforementioned states, Obama's overall lead in actual votes among them will still be large, which concentrates his support and skews the remaining split between the president and his likely challenger nationwide, making that national average less meaningful a statistic when gauging his chances; and 3) Pay attention to five states that are not on this list; Pennsylvania, Michigan, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Iowa; with a combined 62 electoral votes between them. Yes; they have all been competitive battlegrounds in presidential elections but from 1992 – 2008, but only Iowa went for the GOP candidate once, in 2004, making the Democratic presidential candidates 19 – 1 over that span among this group. All one has to do is look at results from November of last year, along with numerous public opinion polls, to see that every one of these is definitely in play and as of now it seems unlikely that Obama will carry them all. But even in the overly-optimistic scenario that he does, he is still only at 253. Continuing on a binge of pure Obama optimism you might throw in Nevada and Colorado, but now you're really pushing it, and get him to 268, two short of a win.
But that is where the vote counting runs out for Obama as things now stand. Given results from last year's congressional and senatorial elections, along with public opinion polls (the Obama vs. anyone matchups do not count before the primary season is underway for reasons of name recognition and momentum), it is practically a certainty that he will not carry New Hampshire, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, and Indiana; nor will he pick up a single elector in Nebraska, all of which were in his column in 2008. His one outside chance–and we're really talking about turning this around in his favor dramatically here–is Ohio, but right now it ain't gonna happen.
I honestly do believe that the opinions of prognosticators who are picking Obama–this does not apply to Sean Trende, who I believe is just being careful right now–are not facing the reality of recent trends. Only a third party candidate who changes the equations, or some international issue that unites Americans internally behind a president perceived as a strong leader (almost impossible to believe with this president) can save the Obama presidency."
They are a representative republic. The problem you're having is that another point of view is also represented. I stand in direct opposition to your ideas, and I vote the way I see it. Right now, this country is about 50-50 in it's political alliances. It's like two teams about evenly matched, going back and forth, one team has the ball for a while, then the other team gets it, back and forth. The Tea Party is a minority, and you're mistaking your own loud noise as a big crowd. They are highly organized while no one else is organized much at all.
If that's what you need to believe to sleep at night. You are simply wrong.
Charleton Heston, for example, was a Democrat in the 1960s. He voted for Kennedy. He marched with King. He was opposed to the Vietnam War. Look it up. He did not become a conservative until the 1970s. (Like Reagan and Thatcher and Churchill, a rightward turn later in life often seems to predict some brain-wasting dementia type disease. Hmmm.)
The red states I am referring to are the reliable red southern former slave states that prior to the civil rights act of 1964 were solidly blue. I think I was clear on that.
I'm not speculating on anything. It's simply not deniable. Even the column you are commenting on, on a rabidly rightwing blog, acknowledges the truth. Do five minutes of research on it. Start by googling Southern Strategy, which even Republicans now concede existed.
Ronald Reagan stood against almost all civil rights legislation. Here's a non-partisan source. There are many others. http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Ronald_Reagan_Ci...
"Reagan never supported the use of federal power to provide blacks with civil rights. He opposed the landmark Voting Rights Act of 1965. Reagan said in 1980 that the Voting Rights Act had been “humiliating to the South.” While he made political points with white southerners on this issue, he was sensitive to any suggestion that his stands on civil rights issues were politically or racially motivated, and he typically reacted to such criticisms as attacks on his personal integrity."
In other words, which you Breitbart fans will appreciate, Reagan played to race card, but he always hid behind some other faux principle and tried to deflect criticism by pretending to be the victim himself.
How's that working for you?
Funny, I shared this same opinion with my hubby just last night. We are in a disagreement. He believes Republicans are more united. I think the Republican party is itself in the midst of realignment with the winner still undecided. I am more Tea Party oriented and am sick and tired of the air time the likes of Rove, Dana Perinno, …are given on Fox programs. Given the strength of the Tea Party movement, I do not understand why this segment of conservatives are not given the same amount of airtime as Establisment GOP types.
1. "They are a representative republic." Who is "They"?
2. "50-50" WRONG! 60-40 leaning conservative, at least.
3. "no one else is organized much at all" LOL, all of Soros's little 501C and various other orgs
….don't exist in your world, huh?;-D lil o is the community organizer in chief…
Pull your head from the sand…
"Control has swung back and forth"
Folks that is the problem in and of itself. Governments are instituted among men to secure the blessings of Liberty, not to micromanage its exercise via control over the people who own Liberty Individually.
George Washington warned us about political factions, we should listen.
Today, the political parties function as an insulator between We The People and our government as they claim to function as a conduit to it. Establishment Democrats and Establishment Republicans have locked arms, agreeing to trade control back and forth from time to time, in order to place themselves in that buffer position.
No better is this demonstrated today than by the fact that the people rejected the insane borrowing and spending to the level of a historic flip in the House of Representatives. Republicans were given 100% authority to put an end to it. The mandate of the 2010 election was crystal clear. And what do Republicans do? They continue to borrow and spend more than We The People can pay for (at this point still at least for a decade out) and they continue to spend it on things government doesn't have the enumerated powers to engage in to begin with.
We do not have a Constitutional government institution today. We have an incorporated gubmint not bound by the Constitution at all. None of the three branches operates within its limited scope defined within the Constitution. The Executive supposedly "spends" when that power was delegated to the Legislature. The Judiciary makes law, when that power was delegated to the Legislature. Private banking cartels run the money, which is also a power delegated to the Legislature. For crying out loud, the judiciary went so far as to say openly in decision that the Constitution itself doesn't apply to the states!
The fact of the matter is that we have no representative government today. We are ruled over by 9 robed unelected and unaccountable kings who are appointed for life. The Executive is nothing more than a Kingmakerm the Legislature is nothing more than a rubber stamp body that delegated away that which was not theirs to delegate away and the Judiciary is just the Kings' court.
Read your Constitution folks and then take a look around. There is only an illusion of government operating within it, a false one at that. We must Restore our Constitution by making our constitution match our Constitution. Part of that Restoration entails examining honestly our own constitution and admitting that We The People ourselves, generations of us, took far too much for granted for far too long. Now is the time to stand up and put an end to that action. It is time for Freemen to stand and fight to defend Liberty.
The Framers knew the score and they put the First Amendment first and the Second second for a very good reason. Today, the best ammunition of choice is words – both written and spoken. If we do not employ them effectively now, the other kind will become necessary. This country already went down that path once and there is no real and valid reason to travel that path again. We are supposed to be smarter than this. We are supposed to learn from our mistakes.
Keep it real, be honest with yourself and with others, question with boldness and have the courage to see those inquiries answered the same way. Doing so will see another civil war avoided. That should be the goal of all Red White and Blue blooded American Patriots.
If 2010 was a false start, so be it. We have another opportunity coming shortly. However, like any track race, whether it be a 100 yard dash or a mile run, multiple false starts will end in disqualification. Make no mistake, just voting (R) is not enough, indeed that compounds the problem. Votes have to be for defenders of the republic and shamefully the (R) no longer represents that defense. Stop taking the bait to vote against something. Remember, we will only attain the representation we vote for. Vote the person, not the party.
Any Democrat worth voting for isn't really a Democrat. Some Republicans may be worth voting for but they have the same problem. They are willing to play the game and when they win, we lose. See John Boehner's "compromise".
Third party isn't the answer. NO party is the answer unless the Establishment GOP can be corrected and turned away from its errant ways. For years, the RINOs have said we have to vote "with them" or we would lose. Well, I say we have lost because we took that bait. It is time they vote with US – and I submit that We Surround Them!
Mark Kirk won because he is a gun grabbing, Nanny State, cap and trade supporting DEMOCRAT who put on the (R) suit making him a wolf in Sheep's clothing.
He was not a success. He is an example of what is WRONG with party politics. He shouldn't have been opposite Alexi in the general, he should have been opposite him in the Democrat Primary.
You LIE.
Do you realize that "red" states were DEMOCRAT until Tim Russert just "changed" it all on his own? No you probably don't. You just like to parrot the lines imprinted upon you. Who opposed the 14th Amendment homeboy? DEMOCRATS. Why? Because they are the racists, that's why.
Wow! Like that Patton quote!
Amen to that!
I think you know that I was not implying that you actually wrote the statements you quoted; and I think you know that I was describing the general "Progressive" mentality that leads one to make the sort of ridiculous assertion you did concerning racism. Although you may not have actually used those exact words, there is no doubt that this was the sentiment implied in your comment: that a large percentage of Conservatives/Republicans are racist. If you did not believe racism to be widespread among Conservatives/Republicans, you would not have bothered including it as one of your "causes and contributing factors," now would you? No one is "pretending" here but you, my friend. And you have the nerve to talk about strawmen. I also like the way you go from declaring "racist backlash" as some sort of obvious truth, to challenging me to prove that "racism was not a factor in a single vote against Obama or Democrats." As if acknowledging that some people are in fact racist somehow proves that there was a large-scale "racist backlash." Something like 95% of blacks voted for Obama; was that due to racism too?
If I'm not hanging with my four legged buddies down at the MostlyOK corral, I try to catch the 6 o'clock Special Report with Bret Baier.
I no longer have the patience to listen to O'Reilly or Hannity with their cast of regulars.
Blah Blah. Again, are you saying there are no racists in among conservatives and Republicans? Really? What percentage would you say is racist? And would you say these racists are more apt to be older or younger? Which demographic profile better fits the average Republican? Which demographic profile better fits the average midterm voter?
Face it. You are out of luck on this one. And here's another answer for you:
"Something like 95% of blacks voted for Obama; was that due to racism too?"
Clearly not, since approximately 92% of blacks voted for Gore in 2000. Now you can call him Green, but you can't call him black.
African Americans simply know which party is hostile and vote accordingly. Do you think blacks are too stupid to know how to vote in their own interests and against racism? See, it's a no win. Either you think 95% blacks are stupid — which makes you a racist — or you think blacks are not stupid — which makes them correct that yours is the party of racists.
Sucks to be you.
But we have to be careful about who we Tea Party into DC. The rep in my neck of the woods ran on a platform that was very Tea Party-friendly, but in just a few months he's proved himself to be another Washington bottom-feeder, suckling at the public trough.
The whole way Washington works needs to be Tea Partied out!!!
Well, she has had plenty of opportunity to raise more than a "I think he should show a BC" in response to the real issue which is his not being able to prove NBC. Every time I hear these and similar words referencing the Art 2 requirement as a birth certificate issue I can only assume the intent is to not harm the political powers that installed him. That is understandable only from people who have allowed friendships, personal fascinations with people, to overcome the oath sworn stating otherwise. Granted she is not in office now but it is now that education and clarity, the virtue of truth and honor, are supremely important. If not now, when will these qualities be bestowed upon us? Remember, we have one enemy proscribed by congress operating in plain sight and clearly being aided by the media. Others exist in remarkably similar tactic and desire. http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/50/23/IV/841 I do not see Palin as bad just reserving herself until she feels better have failed to turn out. That is honorable and wise beyond reproach. Tactically, there are more qualities required to vanquish this and all other enemies currently at our throats..
I know how much you conservatives hate science and higher ed. But this is a good, far-ranging academic study on the impact of race on elections in the era of Obama.
I refer you to the section beginning with Table 3. Logistic Regression Analyses of the Correlates of Vote Choice by Ideology among Whites, on page 936.
Clearly, and this is hardly news, conservatives tend to be more racist (hold more anti-black stereotypes and express less sympathy for blacks) than are liberals. And it drives voting behavior.
http://poq.oxfordjournals.org/content/73/5/917.fu...
Now, how about showing me an academic study that suggests the opposite? (Cue the academics are all leftists excuses)
Bull. Prove it. Or save yourself the humiliation and just slink away now.
Agree Darth, there will be some who fall victim to the pressures of DC, and there will be others who
will cheat and lie their way into office, much in the model of lil' o.
During 2007 many were claiming we needed to vote them all out in 2008. I'll admit I thought that was
a bit radical, and it scared me a little, because the national security ramifications. However, now I can
see that was not an entirely a baseless idea. While I was sure Boehner and Cantor were going to stra-
tegically do their best to neuter the TEA Movement, I was hopeful we could intimidate them with our
excitement and numbers. IMO the outcome of that struggle is still up in the air. We are necessarily
fighting the LEFT and the old guard RINO Republicans simultaneously.
A fight worth having is never easy!
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‘When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle"
I won't support those who've led us here by mistake without apology and renunciation of the ideological pursuit of power..
What sucks is the fact that you once again — and as lefties are always forced to do — resort to dishonesty when trying to make an argument. My point in alluding to the black vote was — as you are well aware — to show the absurdity, and hypocrisy, in holding up one's criticism of a person who happens to be of a different race — or support of someone who happens to be of the same race — as evidence of racism. You are also dishonest in saying that I claimed there "are no racists in among conservatives and Republicans." There are obviously going to be racists among every group, party or race of people; I acknowledged this in my last comment (read it again). A few racist individuals among a group of millions, however, does not equate to an entire party/movement being racist. Of course, you already know this. If anything, by your constant (bogus) allegations of Conservative/Republican racism, you seem to insinuate that liberals/leftists/communists/whatever are somehow completely free of racist thought. What's really sad (and possibly racist) is the fact that those on your side (including yourself) feel the need to constantly stir up racial animosity among blacks and other minorities by making false charges of racism against your political opponents. But, I guess when B.S. is all you've got, you don't have much of a choice. Right?
It's True, it's troo, it's weally, weally True.
If there are racists in every group, which you acknowledge, and my original point was that some amount of racism factored into the midterm votes, then you have conceded my point.
Thanks for playing.
Even though you've lost this argument, feel free to comment on the academic study I linked to that shows conservatives to be more racist, on average, than liberals and how that correlates to their attitudes and voting pattern vis a vis Obama.
Funny. I've never seen a study, even from a conservative think tank, that purports to show that liberals are more racially biased than conservatives, or even that the two groups are equally biased. Maybe that's too absurd even for Heritage or AEI.
Never underestimate the GOP's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. A bunch of spineless squishes, the lot of 'em.
<DIV>Well, I can see right now that your indoctrination is complete and it's too late for you to actually LEARN anythng. I've been a Republican almost all my life (except for a short period when I lived in Texas and you had to be a Democrat to have any say-so about who your local officials were because elections were decided in the primaries.) I finally realized that the Democrats were a lost cause–as did most Texans eventually–and went back to my original Party. I grew up in Indiana–which had integrated its schools LONG before Brown v. Board of Education. I went to public schools in the 40's that were fully-integrated even then. I actually played basketball in HS against the great Oscar Roberson. I have a black son who I took in at age 8 when his mother died in Texas of leukemia (he's now 50 and a grandfather himself.) Please try to focus.</DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Ronald Reagan's own autobiography says that the Democrats “left him” in the late 50's and that's why he became a Republican, completing the effort during the 1964 elections when he campaigned for Goldwater against the INTENSELY racist LBJ. LBJ worked to pass the Civil Rights and Voting Rights acts for one reason, and one reason only–to reel in the majority of blacks to the Democrat Party so they'd be a reliable voting bloc for decades to come. Good Lord! KING was a registered Republican for most of his adult life. Frankly, I prefer to trust Reagan's own words than some arcane blog attempting to re-write his history. A “non-partisan source?” Please! </DIV> <DIV></DIV> <DIV>Reagan was the LEAST racially-motivated President of the 20th Century. People like you think anyone who opposes the policies of the man currently occupying the Oval Office as being “racist” in origin. BS! I don't care if a Marxist is black, brown or purple. A Marxist is a Marxist and certainly isn't worthy of my fealty…and Obama IS a Marxist, born of Marxists, “mentored” by Marxists and “educated” by Marxists. He's beneath contempt, as history will surely show.</DIV> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”> <DIV style=”FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt”>
What was made clear last November was the WILL of the people. Whether or not the results of that produce fruit remains to be seen. You know what the Bible says about trees that produce no or bad fruit.
I don't have the high regard of Reagan you do. I voted for him, as I was still in the "best of the bunch" part of my life. Amnesty, "Free Trade" agreements, ending some regulations that led to bankers that were "too big to fail" and the fact he did not shut down ONE single major dept. or agency of the fed. gov't. He did give some great sounding speeches, but we are where we are due to him and our other presidents{present&past}.
I think our greatest generation was well aware it's us today who are not. By us I mean those who ought to have an understanding of why this country has this particular constitution before they pretend to think it should not apply to them today.
I'm not convinced. After two years of undercover videos and town hall meetings, it is evident beyond any shadow of a doubt that our elected leaders have no fear of Main Street. They both fear land isten more to Wall Street and the K Street lobbyists. Banks are still being bailed out, GE paid not income taxes and the self inflicted poverty of the "will nots" has not changed as long as they have their advocates to continually lobby to keep bleeding the producers dry. The "R's" and "D's" have no fear of us period because they know where they get the bulk of their campaign money.
"Clowns to the Left of me,
Jokers to the Right.
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you!"
With thanks and apologies to Steely Dan.
What defense of Liberty has either Party given us? The "Father" of the Constitution saw over spending issues as:
"I go on the principle that a public debt is a public curse, and in a Republican Government a greater curse than any other" James Madison
Any in the "Ruling Class" (Either Party) like to comment on Madison's COMMON SENSE?
It's good to see someone who agrees with me about Hannity. He seems like a genuinely good man, but he is without a doubt a lockstep Republican. I catch his radio show every now and then on the way home from work, and it's the same old guests, and he gives the mainstream GOP the kid glove treatment. I also find his debate skills weak, specifically when the liberal callers get on the show.
tx b&r, much of the time it seems Hannity is reading from a script on his radio show. He'll be
speaking about the most mundane thing, and make a flub, that reveals he's clearly not speak-
ing extemporaneously, when he really should be. That just puzzles the Hell out of me. Does
he not know what his own opinion is? Freakish, IMO. Funny you mention his debate skills.
Some days he's great, and others he sucks. I surely have a hard time figuring that one, seems
to be no rhyme or reason to it.
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