The Middle East Peace Talks: Preordained To Fail
by Of Thee I Sing 1776The latest efforts to achieve peace between Israel and the Palestinians are hanging by a thread, which should be no surprise. Perhaps, based on the 2000 Camp David peace talks, sponsored by President Clinton, when the Palestinians walked away, essentially, from a complete resolution that seemed to be within reach, and the 2008 Annapolis peace talks sponsored by President Bush, which also ended in failure, another round of direct talks was destined also to fail. There were, and are, no shortages of reasons for pessimism.

The talks will fail. Even if some so-called agreement produces a document with Israeli and Palestinian signatures, peace – real peace – is not at hand, nor, sadly, is peace – real peace – the mutual objective of both the Israelis and the Palestinians at this time. Real peace, while entirely consistent with the vast majority of Israelis’ aspirations (notwithstanding the strident rejectionist camp within Israel), is still anathema to too many Palestinians who are in power (think Hamas). Peace is what Hamas is in power to prevent. Not only have the Palestinians not shown any change in their refusal to accept Israel as a Jewish homeland deriving from the Jewish peoples’ historic and unbroken connection to Israel stretching back almost three millennia, but their own leadership is hopelessly and deeply fractured, not just over the fine points of an eventual peace, but over so much as even paying lip service to the notion of Israel’s survival. Mahmoud Abbas, the President of the Palestinian Authority which controls the West Bank, does not have the power to make peace with Israel, and Hamas, which controls Gaza, is dedicated to Israel’s destruction. There is a desperate need for peace talks, but not between Israel and the Palestinians, but, rather, between the Palestinians and the Palestinians.
A digression into some history is in order here. Following the May 14th, 1948 departure of the last British forces from Haifa, David Ben-Gurion declared the creation of the state of Israel in full accordance with the 1947 UN Partition Plan, which the Arab bloc rejected. The United States and the Soviet Union immediately recognized the new nation of Israel. Simultaneously, Egypt, Transjordan, Syria, Lebanon and Iraq declared war with Saudi-Arabia and Sudan also sending troops to assist in the annihilation of the new nation. Trygve Lie, Secretary General of the United Nations declared this coordinated invasion to be the “first armed aggression the world has seen since the end of the Second World War.”
According to UN figures 726,000 Palestinians left between 1947 and 1949. During that same time, and for a few years thereafter, approximately 850,000 Jews who had lived in Arab lands for centuries found that they were no longer welcome and many resettled in Israel.
The Arab invaders, unable to defeat Israel, refused to make peace and, at the same time, refused citizenship to the thousands of refugees who remained in areas under their control, leaving many to live in squalid refugee camps. Tragically, they, or more accurately, their descendants have become pawns in the middle-east conflict demanding the right of return — even now 62 years later. Arab nations in the vicinity, particularly Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon have refused to absorb them. Indeed, Jordan and Lebanon have, at times, waged war against the more militant Palestinian factions within their borders. It took approximately 5 years for millions of victims of World War II to resettle elsewhere, but after 6 decades the offspring of these refugees continue to be held in squalid refugee camps.
The area has seen very few years of peace in the intervening years. The conflict that really changed the landscape, however, was the 1967 six-day war, which began when Arab armies again massed for invasion and President Nasser of Egypt, closed the straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, an action which Israel had warned would be considered an act of war. This time the overwhelming Arab forces were defeated within a week by the Israeli Defense Force led by its legendary general, Moshe Dayan. As a result, Israel seized the eastern half of Jerusalem, Hebron and the entire West Bank from Jordan (the latter being a protectorate ‑ not a nation), the Golan Heights from Syria the Sinai desert and the Gaza Strip (an Egyptian protectorate) from Egypt. Israel learned two lessons from these years of conflict: (1) If peace was ever to be established with its neighbors, its principal bargaining chip would be the return of Arab lands, and (2) that it needed a buffer area to protect itself from future attacks.
Subsequently, due to the enlightened leadership of Anwar Sadat who succeeded Nasser and the vision of King Hussein of Jordan, and after yet another war in defeating Arab armies that launched a surprise attack on the Jewish high holiday of Yom Kippur in 1973 (in which Arab armies had some initial success which burnished Mr. Sadat’s image as a hero in Arab eyes), Israel entered into peace treaties first with Egypt and then with Jordan. Israel returned the Sinai and Egypt washed its hands of Gaza. In the treaty with Jordan, King Hussein renounced any further Jordanian control over the West Bank. Both Egypt and Jordan recognized Israel and the nations established diplomatic relations. By and large with minor exceptions this is the geography of the land today.
For at least the last two decades, efforts have been made, mostly by the United States, with involvement by Russia, the UN and the EU to prod the inhabitants of Gaza and the West Bank (i.e., Palestinians) and Israel to enter into a comprehensive peace treaty. Conferences in Madrid and later (secretly) in Oslo established a framework for what has been alternately called a “roadmap” or “the peace process.” Toward the ends of both the Administrations of Presidents Clinton and George W. Bush peace talks were held in the United States, first at Camp David in 2000 and then in Annapolis in November 2007. As recounted by the principal negotiator for President Clinton, Dennis Ross, Ehud Barak, the Israeli prime minister, offered Yasser Arafat essentially everything he was demanding (including a shared capital in Jerusalem and some form of compensation to take account of the so-called “right of return,” but added a caveat that acceptance of the proposal would be conditioned on agreement by Arafat that this would be a full and final resolution of all Arab demands and that the Palestinians would make no further claims. Mr. Ross reportedly was astonished at the fullness of the Israeli peace offer and he conveyed the proposal to President Clinton who gave it to Arafat. Rather than accepting a proposal that seemed to respond to all his demands to end years of war, Mr. Arafat is reported to have said, “If I accept that caveat I will be signing my death warrant.” He then went home and started the second intifada, using Arial Sharon’s visit to the Temple Mount as an excuse. A similar proposal was made in 2007 by then Israeli Prime Minister Omert.
While factions on both sides have fought against a two-state solution to this long conflict, Palestinian leadership (as well as that of most of the Arab nations in the area) has generally preferred to retain their grievances rather than have peace with Israel? Scholar Shelby Steele, a senior fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institute, writes:
“In other words [to Palestinians] my hatred is my self-esteem. This must have much to do with why Yasser Arafat rejected Ehud Barak’s famous Camp David offer of 2000 in which Israel offered more than 90% of what the Palestinians had demanded. To have accepted that offer would have been to forego hatred as consolation and meaning. Thus, it would have plunged the Palestinians — and by implication the broader Muslim world — into a confrontation with their inferiority relative to modernity. Arafat knew that without the Jews to hate, an all-defining cohesion would leave the Muslim world. So he said “no” to peace.”
If the offers of 2000 and 2007 were rejected why is there any reason to expect a different result now? There isn’t, although every President since Jimmy Carter has tried. Now comes President Obama (who in the words of Leslie Gelb “is so self‑confident that he believes he can make decisions on the most complicated of issues after only hours of discussion”) with the latest effort to revive the peace process. In that vein, he started his peace efforts shortly after the commencement of his presidency by making the incredible blunder of setting as a precondition for talks that Israel must halt construction within existing settlements in Jerusalem, notwithstanding that a halting of construction had never been a precondition to earlier peace talks. The president fully knew then and knows now that the fragile coalition government of Prime Minister Netanyahu would collapse if he agreed to that condition. Moreover, he also knows that infill settlements in existing Jewish areas do not change the basic contours of Jerusalem. Nevertheless, he has handed Mr. Abbas, who doesn’t even speak for all West Bank Palestinians, let alone Hamas in Gaza, an excuse to avoid or walk out of any talks by invoking the settlement excuse. Charles Krauthammer stated it quite well in his column in the New York Daily News on September 10, 2010:”Unfortunately, there’s no more sign today of a Palestinian desire for final peace than there was at Camp David. Even if Mahmoud Abbas wants such an agreement (doubtful but possible), he simply doesn’t have the authority… Hamas, which exists to destroy Israel, controls (a substantial part of Palestinian territory) (Gaza), and is a powerful rival to Abbas’ Fatah even in his home territory of the West Bank.
Unable and/or unwilling to make peace, Abbas will exploit President Obama’s tactical blunder, the settlement freeze imposed on Israel despite the fact that Israeli-Palestinian negotiations had gone on without such a precondition for 16 years prior…Abbas will walk out…That would solve all of Abbas’ problems. It would obviate signing on to a final settlement, fend off Hamas and make Israel the fall guy.
…Much of the world, which already condemns Israel even for self-defense, will be only too eager to blame Israel for the negotiation breakdown. And there is growing pressure to create a Palestinian state even if the talks fail –i.e., even if the Palestinians make no concessions at all. So why make any?”
And why should Israel any longer trust the land-for-peace formula or the so-called guarantors of peace agreements, particularly the United Nations. The Israelis unconditionally left Gaza in 2005, and in the process Israeli soldiers forcibly removed Israeli settlers from their homes. Their reward? Unremitting rocket attacks from Gaza on Israeli territory. In 2006 Israeli forces, responding to repeated cross-border provocation from Hezbollah (including killing 3 Israeli soldiers and kidnapping 2 others) invaded southern Lebanon. An inconclusive 33-day war was fought. At its end, as part of a cease-fire, the UN agreed to guarantee the peace and police a key provision that Hezbollah would not import any further rockets with which to attack Israel. Nevertheless, as of 2009, Hezbollah has acquired 60,000 rockets as well as scud missiles from their Iranian patrons, through Syria, all capable of hitting Israel.
Tony Blair, the current special envoy of the so-called “Quartet” (US, UN, Russia and EU) has stated that no one should negotiate with Hamas until they fulfilled three conditions: (i) recognize Israel’s right to exist; (ii) renounce violence; and (iii) accept agreements already made by previous Palestinian negotiators. Hamas has not met any of those conditions and yet Mr. Obama (and the Palestinian leadership) conditions talks on further concessions from Israel to demonstrate that it truly wants peace. What does he think Israelis want? More blood, death and destruction? Every Israeli family has a family member serving in the IDF for a significant period of time every year and every Israeli knows someone who has lost a loved one in battle.
When the Palestinian side announces that it will formally recognize Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish State, they are entitled to an Israeli announcement that Israel will formally recognize Palestine’s right to exist as a Palestinian State. That’s all the confidence-building reciprocity that should be required.
Earlier this year a flotilla of ships originating in Turkey headed to Israel allegedly to provide humanitarian supplies to the people of Gaza. Both Israel and Egypt have closed their respective borders with Gaza to prevent the importation of weaponry (although we hear very little about the closed Egyptian border). Israel invited the flotilla to unload its shipment for inspection in an Israeli port, an invitation that was refused. Thereafter, the Israeli navy intercepted the flotilla, boarded the ships and a firefight ensued resulting in the deaths of several persons on board. This, of course, resulted in a predictable chorus of condemnation from governments around the world, particularly in Europe.
And Israel having built the only democracy in the middle east and a thriving high tech economy and successfully defended it militarily against overwhelming odds is now faced with perhaps the most serious threat to its existence … one that cannot be defeated by military strength alone; a campaign to delegitimize the nation itself. Iran’s leaders insist it be wiped off the map. Leaders of other nations imply that Israelis don’t care about peace and treat it at international forums as if it were an outlaw. Recently, as Bret Stephens reported in his Wall Street Journal column:
… a man named Karel de Gucht told a radio station in Belgium that the current round of Israeli-Palestinian negotiations were certain to founder upon the stubbornness of Jews. “There is indeed a belief — it’s difficult to describe it otherwise — among most Jews that they are right,” he explained. “So it’s not easy to have, even with moderate Jews, a rational discussion about what is happening in the Middle East.”
…Mr. de Gucht [may] sound like a neo-Nazi; in fact, he is the Trade Commissioner of the European Union. How does a paladin like him come to say something like that? Because it’s really not that far from the sorts of things that already are being written; that are, as they say, “in the air.”
Mr. de Gucht later apologized for his remarks stating that he wanted to make clear that anti-Semitism has no place in today’s world. But sadly, appeasement and anti‑Semitism (defined by some perceptive person as hating Jews no more than is necessary under any particular circumstance) are part of Europe’s unhappy history. Europe, which has not in the past cloaked itself in glory protecting its Jewish citizens when they constituted a significant portion of its population, shouldn’t be expected to lose sleep when Israel faces destruction in the present. Hopefully, Mr. Obama, who started his presidency by constantly criticizing Israel and showing little respect for Mr. Netanyahu, won’t accompany Europe down a path which is contrary not only to America’s long term strategic interests but its democratic values as well.
By Hal Gershowitz and Stephen Porter






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Peace requires that both parties be willing to do so and as long as Hamas is funded and supported by Iran, there isn't going to be any peace. Iran is the joker in the deck and the one country in the region that is doing everything it can to actually reduce the prospects of peace in order to carry out their stated intentions of The Second Holocaust.
Now, if Iran is taken from the board then the Palestinians are without a sponsor outside of the United Nations. This would place them in the unenviable position of having to actually govern themselves and produce a sustainable economic program of policies for the benefit of their people – something that, up to this moment, has never even been considered. The Palestinian Authority's economic agenda has been to sponge off Israel and then tax the workers that are allowed to enter Israel as there are no shops or industries in the Palestinian rubble pile. Hamas controlled areas are even worse – the people are almost entirely dependent upon the Hamas theocracy for their basic sustenance and have no economic future – the future comes from Iran.
And yet Iran provides the perfect opportunity to change this poisonous calculus once and for all by virtue of their nuclear weapons program. They have now (like Saddam) thumbed their nose at the Europeans (you'll recall the liberals pressured Bush to allow six-party talks to go forward in lieu of an immediate military solution such as was imposed upon Iraq) and at the UN – daring them to do something while they build weapons to destroy Israel. This provides the casus belli that Israel needs to utterly destroy Iran with a nuclear weapons attack.
I was a weapon system specialist in the Navy so I know what these ghastly weapons are capable of doing and one of the things they can do is permanently irradiate the impact zone and thus create a Chernobyl type outcome where no human life will tread for 10,000 years. Make no mistake, Iran will not stop so Israel must deal with the reality that they can destroy Iran now or wait until their country is attacked and retaliate. You will note that both scenarios end up with Iran being destroyed and only one ends up with Israel not being destroyed.
With Iran off the table, real peace has a chance as the money and material that supposed Lebanon, Hezbollah and Hamas disappears as if by magic. The support Syria was getting disappears and the Palestinians would then have no reason to continue to instigate this ridiculous "No Israel" agenda as there are only two possible outcomes: Palestine becomes a viable nation-state or it is absorbed back into Israel as a failed nation-state.
Peace comes with a price and everyone has to be prepared for it and that's what these talks really say.
Obama is not interested in making peace anywhere! His one and only goal is …create chaos! That picture makes me want to smack that chin! What a narcissists!
Jews are the only people in the Middle East Obama refuses to bow to.
Obama will not be happy until the Muslims in the Middle East push the Jews of Israel into the Sea.
the only thing israel can do to make the arab community agree, is for them to pack up and move. we know israel will not do that, so the arabs must have another solution to try and keep peace. but while they talk in front of microphones, the palestinians have no interest in peace. so why don't we stop the game, and quit wasting money on this whole idea, that the palestinians will ever agree to any form of peace. so israel will be forced to either wipe them out, or deport the lot of them.
When I first heard this round of talks announced, the phrase, "Meaningless jerk-off exercise" sprang immediately to mind.
Off topic: anybody catch the clip on Fox where someone threw a book at barry??
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319448/O...
I am quibbling, but it is an important point. The statement "David Ben-Gurion declared the creation of the state of Israel in full accordance with the 1947 UN Partition Plan," is incorrect. The Jews jumped the gun because they realized that allowing the UN to define Israel would forever leave them at the mercy of the UN. Self-determination was vital. They also recognized that the proposed borders were an invitation to disaster. They have never and will never accept the original UN-propoosed borders.
You can't make peace with somone who is just not interested. I'ts hardly rocket science.
There will no peace, only war.
We can be on both sides of a peace process–we cannot in war.
It is time to choose up sides.
What's the story?
I'm sure you all have noticed those bumper stickers that has the word "Coexist" spelled out with various religious symbols. They seem to be everywhere. Although on the surface, it seems virtuous to make a statement like that, I just can't stop thinking that it has never occurred over the entire history of religion. What makes these people think it will now?
The people who drive cars with those bumper stickers on them also have obama/biden stickers, the "equal sign" (=) stickers in purple and every other left wing cause plastered on the back end of their car.
I refuse to follow those people. I pass them up at every opportunity.
Just wondering. Where was that picture taken? Standing in front of a urinal?
Interesting first picture……needs a better caption. How about "when I think about me I touch myself."
I saw a great sticker the other day. Black background with a capital "O". Underneath the big "O," in smaller letters, the worf "$hit".
bet he won't let them immigrate here and set up synagoges.
I appreciate your input.
I think that Israel is well aware of the cost and benefits of a nuclear attack.
I think that Barry-Bop has no clue.
And given the way he has metrosexualized the generals in the military through absurd rules of engagement, I would rather have the Israeli's take care of the problem than trust it to the man who has racked up so many failures in the last 20 months.
is it that time again for the Mid East Peace Telethon where the participants get face time and accolades(they're doing something, think WIN button wearing) while knowing the disease will not be cured with their homeopathic treatments of herbal tea, chants and vibrational tom toms.
Hey, where are the anti-Semite trolls and Mobys? Asleep at the switch? Too many facts in this report that deflate the blood-libel bookmarks in your web browsers?
It's a Federal Holiday.
How do you make peace with people who want to stab you in the neck with the same pen they use to sign the peace treaty?
No one ever believed this administration was capable of producing anything but a steaming pile of Barry.
Israel knows it has to take care of the Arab and the Persian threat without any support from Barry.
Can anybody tell me why Jews in the United States are supporting Obama and other democrats? What is wrong with them? Is it possible that their majority is mentally ill?
"His one and only goal is …create chaos!"
That's what small community agitators do. They manufacture dissent and social unrest to achieve a goal. That's all he knows how to do.
No, the majority of us are not mentally ill. Like a slim majority of the voting American public (circa 2008), the majority are politically deluded.
I think he was enjoying the aroma of his own fart.
He does look very self absorbed….
Jacobs trouble comes, be ready.
"Why Are Jews Liberal" by Norman Podhoretz will give you your answer, and as Podhoretz explains and demonstrates, it's COMPLICATED. Summarized, Podhoretz reviews Jewish history, and in particular, American Jewish history in the 20th Century until the election of Obama. Since I'm one of the 22% who didn't vote for Obama and who thinks of himself as a conservative independent, I can tell you that in my former circles, filled with liberal democratic Jews, there's a fork in the road that American Jews will come to–somewhere in their 40's usually. At that point, they either tilt to the right and vote Republican and don't harbor delusional ideas about elite Beltway anybodies mean anything to their gut feelings and values (and don't whisper about how Palin would be superior to Obama any day), OR they continue to suffer from cognitive dissonance for years and years and continue to vote reflexively for anything with a "D" after the candidate's name. Yes, it borders on mental illness.
L4S, there is much truth in what you say.
I imagine a scene where a bank is being held hostage by a band of leftist thugs, pointing their guns at the Jewish customers, while simultaneously telling them, "don't worry, we're not going to hurt you."
Meanwhile, the conservative majority (played by the cops) is outside with a megaphone, trying to negotiate with the lefties.
I get the feeling that if a few more predominant Republicans actually grew pairs, and started deploying some rhetorical tear gas, a few more of my coreligionists would start to see the light.
Much like the Amish, who are pacifists, vote largely Republican because their perceived social values resonate, so too would many Jews, when confronted with a message of economic conservatism.
I took a 150 mile trip last weekend and only saw one Obama/Biden bumper sticker but I did see a lot of glue residue where bumper stickers once were.
ya, their easy to pass, their cars are usually 15 years old or older.
The Democrats keep pretending all we need to do is "talk to these people." Hooey. We need to butt the h out, except maybe to point out loudly and forcefully that the Palestinians are the victims of their own leadership, a poisoned arrow aimed at the heart of Israel, created by Nazis left over from WWII and sustained in poverty and hate with money from Iran and probably Syria and Saudi Arabia. That the current leadership in the Arab world has been left with a mess created by Gamal Abdul Nasser, the Grand Mufti and a few others, and we don't blame the current leadership (of Jordan or Egypt at least) for the problem but they are the only ones in any position to fix it.
Hmmm. A tactical blunder by Obama. Why does it not surprise me that this article has to take a pot shot at him. In my opinion, he has been as successful as: Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, in bringing peace to the Middle East.
The Roots of Obama’s Anti-colonialism
http://www.thetrumpet.com/index.php?q=7499.6065.0...
It is sad at this time, to watch this President systematically tear at the very fabric of American society. This is why we are suppose to have a free press. All people need is the truth, free from political interests, ideology or bias from both the left and right in America.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti...
Anti-Colonialist?
Obama is a Communist.
His father was a foreign Communist.
His step-father was a foreign Communist.
His mother, ran around with foreign Communists,
His grandparents were American Communists.
His friends and allies are Communists.
His G-D-America pastor is a Communist.
If it walks like a Communist,
quacks like a Communist,
its a Communist
"Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
El Caudillo's frequent "chin-up, looking down his nose at his subjects" pose never fails to elicit in my mind's eye images of Mussolini haranguing the crowds in Piazza Venezia across the road from the Vittorio Immanuel Monument.
There is a big difference, however; Mussolini actually made the trains run on time. El Caudillo is derailing them along with most of the rest of US business.
Until Israel stops stealing land there is no chance of peace.
Yeah, maybe there's a cracker-jacks prize for Hillary in this. She doesn't have one yet, does she? Maybe she and Mahmoud Abbas could share one.
When will people understand that you cannot have peace between two people who need a 3rd party to initiate peace talks.
If the muslim terrorist laid down their arms today there would be peace today. There are many Arab muslims who live in Israel who don't want to leave because Israel treats them better than their 'home' countries.
If Israel laid down their arms today, they'd all be murdered, including the Arab population because it's one thing muslim terrorist love to do is kill people.
Liberals are the only group of people I know who will smear their sticker feces all over their car, campus, and home. It's not enough to be one, no, they have to make sure the whole world knows they're liberal.
With most other people, the only stickers I'll see range from 1 – 2 on the back, either being marines, NRA, or schools their children are in or are fans of.
Latma Tv : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGkjK21ItW0&fe...
He needs a wine glass to truly enjoy the aroma of it with the truest of self-satisfaction.
Hey, is there smug forming above him in that pic?
Israel has reminded Lebanon and Syria, that in the past 6 day war, they promised to not attack Damascus.
Now, in future campaigns Damascus will be in their Sights.
This is The World's oldest city.
Bible Prophets say that it will be destroyed forever, never to be inhabitated.
Hezzbolah (sp?) is building up their terrorist elements in Lebanon.
A must read is: "As America Has Done to Israel" 'The Result: Massive National Disasters' by John P. McTernan
BLOG: http://www.johnmcternan.name
And he did not even notice too busy staring at his Idiot boards
Actually I was thinking how much he seems to be emulating Acmanutjob what with dinner jacket unbuttoned shirts and no tie. A real classless dirtbag the POTUS has become.
Why I am a Liberal Democrat…
- Thinking is too hard.
- I want a Mosque at Ground Zero.
- I am 26, sponging off my mom and I want free Health Care.
- Freedom of speech is fine as long as I am not offended by it.
- I want government to tax your earnings and give me things I want.
- If I knock-up my girlfriend I want government to pay her to kill the baby.
- We need to raise taxes on business… Gee… Why do things cost so much?
- Murdering helpless babies is ok as long as we keep all death row inmates alive.
- I want government to give Mexicans free health care and education at your expense.
- Pouring water on a terrorist's face is horrible, but killing a baby in the womb is good.
- I want government to take over industry and apply the efficiency of the US Post Office.
- Global Warming is a fact, even if those same scientists can't tell the weather for next week.
why Hillary and Barry could not see this is beyond comprehension. There will never be peace in the middle east until one side is totally and completely vanquished. To have two ruling bodies in Palestine, one quite radical and quite anti-Israel, and have only one coming to the bargaining table, and expect progress to totally ludicrous.
Just shows the gross incompetence pervasive through this joke of an administration. Nov can't come too soon.
Yes none of them have brought peace to the middle east. So yes he's just as successful.
great vid
Why would any nation in the world, let alone a common sense thinking person, negotiate land away, that would allow itself to be surrounded by militants sworn to annihilate you?
''Life's tough……it's even tougher if you're stupid.'' — John Wayne
WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE BARRY?
http://i40.tinypic.com/o0154z.jpg
Can't be, in trying to have peace talks and getting everybody even together makes her over qualified (since Barry got one for what he wanted to do, the bar is set so low I'm expecting one for helping conserve energy since I thought about buying an energy saving bulb).
Gregory….. you are correct. Damascus will be turned into dust. You would think some of these people would read a Bible, be interested in their future. They should be packing their bags and getting out of town.
Obama is not finished politically. His main goal or accomplishment would be ''peace'' in the middle east. Nothing is impossible if it is God's will, and the time is right. Obama may be the ''peace maker'' like Jimmy Carter. Of course it will be a false peace, the muslims will break any peace deal, the K-ran teaches them this. Obama has his sights on Jerusalem and Israel. This would be a feather in his cap. This deal will probably be the beginning of the Great Tribulation of Revelation. The final battle of Good vs. Evil and the return of Jesus Christ to rule his Kingdom on Earth.
Link to what they were?
The problem is the US State department. Diplomats know that they will get "hired" by a Moslem "think tank" when they retire, provided they have pleased the Moslems. State has a long history of lying to Presidents, starting with Reagan that I know of. (President of Mexico said Reagan should kiss his nuts. State covered it up.) State also knew Arafat was behind the murder of a bunch of US Diplomats, but decided to pay him off instead of having him snuffed.)
That's why the Moslems are fighting India, murdering people in Africa and Indonesia, and in revolt in the Philipines. Because of the Jews. Sure.
So, is any of your rant on topic? Oh, and by the way, I am not a liberal Democrat.
I don't understand why you don't get it. If the refugees move to housing other than the camps they lose, under international law their right to return to their homes. Also note that after 60 years when the iron curtian came down many zionnist rushed to the east block countries and demanded that they be given title to old homes, factories and land. Are you saying that the law only appiels to zionnist and the palestien people should not have the same right of return?
POSTUS looks like my old college roommate letting his cocaine saturated snot drain back down into his throat.
Dear SmedleyB….. I can smell your finger from here.
Which part of this list is not accurate? Or any part listed above that is not true? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/arti...
If Israel didn't exist, arab leaders would have invented Israel. It's the only way to deflect their peoples ire away from them
for their s**tty lives.
Alan Dershowitz in his book "The Case For Israel" also documents the peace talks at Camp David in 2000. He says –
"As the process moved toward resolution, Prime Minister Ehud Barak shocked the world by offering the Palestinians virtually everything they had been demanding, including a state with its capital in Jerusalem, control over the Temple Mount, a return of approximately 95 percent of the West Bank and all of the Gaza Strip, and a $30 billion compensation package for the 1948 refugees. How could Yasser Arafat possibly reject that historic offer?
Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia, who was serving as an intermediary among the parties, urged Arafat to "take this deal." Could you ever get "a better deal"? he asked. Would you rather negotiate with Sharon? As Arafat vacillated, Bandar issued a stern warning: "I hope you remember, sir, what I told you. If we lose this opportunity, it is going to be a crime."
I watched in horror as Arafat committed that crime by rejecting Barak's offer, walking away from the peace negotiations without even making a counterproposal. Prince Bandar was later to characterize Arafat's decision as "a crime against the Palestinians—in fact, against the entire region." He held Arafat personally responsible for all the ensuing deaths of Israelis and Palestinians. President Clinton also placed the entire blame for the termination of the process on Arafat, as did most of those who had participated in the negotiations. Even many Europeans were furious at Arafat for walking away from this generous offer."
You can read an interview with Prince Bandar (who was at the peace talks and who is quoted above) that appeared in the New Yorker HERE in PDF form.
I realize that you may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer but there is a big difference between socialist and communists…
His father was a foreign Communist.
His step-father was a foreign Communist.
His mother, ran around with foreign Communists,
His grandparents were American Communists.
His friends and allies are Communists.
His G-D-America pastor is a Communist.
Proposed borders can be seen at
"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine"
Jewish areas were split into 3 areas which could be easily isolated from one another and from the outside world, the only exception being Tel-Aviv. The point has been made that the Arab areas were also divided into 3, but the northern enclave could be reinforced from Lebanon, and the southern enclave from Egypt. The central region was not only next to Jordan, but gave the Arabs the classic military advantage of interior lines.
That's the spirit! Come to think of it, Jimmah had about the same level of accomplishment when he opened his cracker jacks box!
Every time i see that picture i get pissed off.
Idiocy. Not only fragmented, but skinny peninsulas of territory, easily chopped off. Impossible to defend.
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