Would Obama Have Supported Ratification of the US Constitution?
by Of Thee I Sing 1776The Constitution of the United States of America is a remarkable document. It is eloquent in its simplicity, clarity and in its power. It revolutionized (first in America, and then throughout most of the western world) the relationship between those who are governed and those who govern. It has served as a governing template for much of the democratic western world.

Every federal office holder swears allegiance to the Constitution, not to any leader, not to any party, not to any political philosophy—only to this document, which is the foundation upon which our form of government is based and against which all legislation and judicial actions are measured. The President vows to do his job faithfully and, to the best of his ability, to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.
And while there is no way of divining what today’s crop of leaders would have thought of the Constitution had they been present at the founding when it was first circulated prior to ratification, we have our doubts whether many of today’s ruling class, including President Obama, would have found common cause with Washington, Adams (John), Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Hamilton or Jay, all of whom loomed so large on the emerging American landscape.
This speculation is not intended as criticism of our political leadership or of the president. Many great American patriots who were present at the founding opposed ratification of the Constitution. Indeed, such American icons as Patrick Henry, Samuel Adams, John Hancock, George Mason and James Monroe, were resolutely opposed to ratification of the Constitution, so wary were they of concentrated federal power. Time has, of course, demonstrated the remarkable wisdom of those who fought for ratification and the value of the gift they bequeathed to us all. The question raised by this essay, however, is posed as the basis for discussion of whether a document written so long ago, which lays out with simplicity certain fundamental rules and relationships, can truly guide this nation 221 years later.
And while we can’t know for sure how any politician holding office today would have voted had they been in a position to support or to oppose ratification of the constitution, we pretty well can determine whether the political views they hold today are consistent with the views of those founders whose genius produced it. Let us, again, reiterate that support of, or opposition to, the Constitution at the time of its ratification was not an indication of one’s patriotism or love of country. Those who drafted it also anticipated that it might have to be changed from time to time and provided an elaborate, albeit cumbersome, procedure for doing just that and, in fact, it has been amended twenty-seven times, with the first ten amendments literally a condition of ratification.
George Washington, who was a strong proponent of ratification and without whose support, ratification would have been impossible, nonetheless, faced severe constitutional crises during his very first administration. One would think that determining the intent of its original drafters would have been pretty easy back then. After all, the original drafters were all right there. All one needed to do was just ask. Not so. While they were all there, they didn’t all necessarily agree on what each of them intended in each sentence, section or Article. They, of course, anticipated that there would be constitutional disputes and thus they constructed an independent and co-equal judicial branch, the pinnacle of which is our Supreme Court.
However, even the Article establishing the judiciary was not universally accepted by all the founders as giving the judicial branch the power to be arbiter of the meaning of the Constitution. It wasn’t until the landmark case of Marbury v. Madison in which the concept of judicial review was established, or the Supreme Court labeled a Congressional act to be “unconstitutional.”
Washington also faced Supreme Court contests over his right to remove cabinet officers, the Jay Treaty, which formally ended the war with Great Britain and, arguably, whether or not the federal government had the right to send federal troops to put down a domestic rebellion. Yes, we had a rebellion within the United States during the first Washington administration (“The Whiskey Rebellion”) and we did, indeed, send in federal troops to quell the insurrectionists. .
But there was one principle about which there were no controversies at the founding. Americans would be the freest people on the face of the earth, free in particular of undue government interference in their lives. They would live in the world’s first meritocracy and they would be free to make their own choices about their political preferences and their economic pursuits. And while it would take close to a century before the young country would finally throw off the yoke of slavery, an institution that had long predated the founding, American citizenship represented a bold new experiment in human progress.
What was it, exactly, that launched this new phenomenon…a nation of free men, free to choose their own destiny…this catalyst that transformed a confederation of varied individuals with varied interests, skills and intellect living in separate states that zealously guarded their individual sovereignty into the greatest engine for progress and wealth generation the world had (or has) ever seen? The question answers itself. It was the Constitution and the fidelity to it of the founding generation and the generations of American leaders who have followed. It is the great balancing of limited and enumerated central government power, with the rights of the individual states that comprised the United States of America and, most importantly, the rights of individuals to live their lives largely free from governmental intrusions by either the state or federal governments..
This raises a question well worth pondering. Should America expect its political leaders to embrace the aspirations of the founders? After over 200 years with our form of governance the world is greatly changed. Forms of transportation, communication and commerce between and among citizens, the several states and foreign nations which, while commonplace now, were non-existent in 1789. Is it reasonable to expect that a governing document written back then could be relevant to such dramatic changes in the lives of the citizens of successive generations or to inventions which the founders could not have imagined? We are not referring to nuance or style or even interpretation but rather to the hard, elementary, substance of individual freedom and liberty and a government whose bedrock-governing instrument constrains it from interfering with those basic liberties in the face of such sea changes in the lives of the people who are, today, governed by that venerable document. Personal freedom and liberty, with specific guarantees against government interference is, after all, the bedrock of American exceptionalism and the defining characteristic of the American experience, but in the 21st century there are countervailing forces pushing not only for greater government regulation of our lives, but for a very substantial role for government to reallocate private wealth and property based on some nebulous concept of fairness.
Political leadership that is insensitive to this reality may be, we believe, at the root of so much of the dissension throughout the country today. While we recognize that numerous issues divide the American body politic as they always have, we believe there is something much more fundamental antagonizing so much of the country today. Contentious issues are nothing new or unique in America. We have dealt with major issues about which the people often had strong and differing views throughout our history. We believe, however, that we are dealing with something (or a confluence of something’s) that represents a growing concern for many, if not most, Americans. A national healthcare program, which a substantial majority of the people do not want; a federal spending binge, which a substantial majority of the people do not condone; unprecedented deficits, of which a substantial number of the people are extremely wary; an emerging federal redistributive wealth philosophy about which many people feel a growing unease, and an unelected regulatory bureaucracy that seems to be expanding at warp speed to make rules which amount literally to an assignment of legislative powers to unelected officials, have all coalesced to confront the American electorate with a troubling question. Is the fundamental transformation of America that candidate Obama promised and that President Obama certainly seems clearly to be delivering, a transformation that most Americans really want? And does such a transformation square with the essential relationships of citizens with their government or even with the relationships between the branches of government envisioned by the founders?
This brings us full circle back to the question we posed in the headline to this essay. Would President Obama have supported ratification of the Constitution of the United States had he been in that position? We believe President Obama and many members of Congress would have voted “nay” and not because of the fears of the dissenters in 1789 that too much power was being assigned to a central authority, but, rather, because of the converse, e.g., not enough power was granted to the national government to regulate our lives.
Early in the president’s political career, when he was but a state senator from Illinois’ 13th district, and while he was still a lecturer in the law school at the University of Chicago, he agreed to be interviewed on Odyssey, a public affairs program on Chicago’s WBEZ radio station. The interview, portions of which are quoted below, is especially illuminating. Mr. Obama seems to lament the fact that neither the Constitution nor the courts evidence support for a federal policy of redistributing wealth. That is, the courts have found nothing in the Constitution that provides for such government intrusion. In fact, it wasn’t until 1913 and the passage of the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution that Congress even had the authority to tax income at all. We believe the interview excerpted below, while a few years old, nonetheless, provides meaningful insight into the political philosophy of the president.
OBAMA:” If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court, I think where it succeeded was to vest formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples. So that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order and as long as I could pay for it I’d be okay”… But,” Obama continued, “the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way…that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted. One of the… tragedies of the civil rights movement”, he said, “was because the civil rights movement became so court focused. I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributed change (emphasis added) and in some ways we still suffer from that.”
In a subsequent interview Mr. Obama clearly expressed his opinion that once a certain level of income is achieved, that people then have enough (and presumably, thereafter, all of the balance should be taxed for redistribution or some other government purpose). And while that was Mr. Obama’s view, he did go on to say that it wasn’t the American way. Fair enough. We’re sure there are many others who may feel the same way, but we’re equally sure that none of the drafters of the Constitution felt that way. In fact, that was the very type of government power the founders were determined to avoid whether it be through the judicial or legislative branch of government. We do not think the founders, any of them, would have condoned the appointment by future Presidents of a coterie of czars, all unconfirmed by the Congress, with broad, almost dictatorial powers, over entire swaths of the economic, social and business life of the new nation. Certainly, they would have recoiled at empowering such overlords whose writings and public statements represented the very antithesis of what the founders had fought to create.
Had President Obama been a delegate voting on ratification of the Constitution, and had he held the same personal beliefs then that he expressed in the above-quoted interview, we believe he (and many others in today’s Congress) would have been in the opposition, and that he would not have found the Bill of Rights comprehensively responsive to his agenda for the new nation. Moreover, many of those legislators who continue to pass legislation, the effect of which is to transfer wealth from the wealthy to the “underserved,” could not in good conscience have voted to ratify a document so clearly restrictive of such governmental power.
This is, of course, but speculation. As we stated at the top of this essay, the founders anticipated that there would be need for change from time to time, and provided the means to affect such change. We also understand that dreams inform the thinking of leaders today just as dreams did 230 years ago. We can only hope that the dreams that ultimately prevail in this generation mirror those dreams of the founders whose ideas made America the greatest engine for both liberty and prosperity in the history of humankind. It would be folly to follow the illusory dreams so prevalent in those statist nations around the world whose policies are leading to out-of-control public debt, economic collapse, stagnation and will lead, ultimately, not to universal welfare, but, rather, to universal poverty and its all-too-frequent companion, repressive government.
By Hal Gershowitz and Stephen Porter






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That's got to be the funniest questions I've ever seen.
And, in a word, NO!
Happy Father's Day.
Of course not.
The Soviet constitution, on the other hand…
Would Obolshevik have supported the ratification of the Constitution?
Hmm… I would have to say -and this is just a guess- HELL NO!
Unrelated:
For all who were invited but couldn't attend: It was an absolute love fest. Everyone there was great and we had a ton of fun. All "strangers" until the moment we met, and then all family within the first few words exchanged. Awesome!
Obama is an islamic, socialist elitist. The Constitution is based on the principles of a Republic. Therefore, the answer is a resounding "No". His philosophy is dynamically opposed to the very idea of a republic. He bows, grovels, and worships alinsky.
Definite No. No debate necessary.
I have to agree with all of those that said no, and hell no!
Him? Naw, he would have rather written the forward in The Communist Manifesto.
Obama, has on his door at the oval office" Gone golfing".
He is on record saying he wants to break the limits of the Constitution.
Put it another way, if the Constitution allowed the federal government to do what it is doing now, I wouldn't support it.
Good thing it doesn't,,,
Ummm… Gonna have to go with Nope.
The piece did make me think how BO's first community organizing gig would have went in 1789. lol
It wasn't a pretty picture.
If there's no money or tee off time involved, then fugetaboutit not happening.
The Constitution? I'm pretty sure Obama has never even read it!
If given the chance today he would abolish Constitution. He doesn't believe in it, his own words there above and we have heard him say it prove that. That which has enabled his ability to become wealthy and POTUS he detests. What has happened in his life to make such an impression to have such views and for us to feel the way we do about him!?
Abandonment from his father then mother, upbringing by grandparents whom through them befriends Frank Marshall Davis, a communist who at the right influential age molds BHO into what we see today. Anti American behavior, he is clearly the most Un American President this country has ever had, worse than Wilson IMO. The bashing of the country at every speech his first year and apologizing to nations that OWE this nation for what it has provided the world.
Each day I get more and more disgusted as I read the headlines… as I write I am watching 'Valkyrie' even the Germans knew when to draw the line. I hope America learns its lesson with this "individual" and those like him come election day. Vote out Congress this fall and in '12 this obamanation.
Americans need to wake up and see whats going on. Get out of your shell, cross the line within yourself and TAKE BACK AMERICA through http://www.savingtherepublic.com
Not only is the answer no, it's HELL no! Everyone here knows that his Socialist Utopian vision isn't compatible with limited government. Hamilton's plan was massive for the time but I'm sure he would be spinning in his grave if he knew even half of what was going on under Barack Chavez's regime.
I'm sure you're correct … and he's supposedly a 'constitutional scholar'.
ROFL!!! Two birds with one stone
Insane Sally Quinn Wants Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden to 'Switch Jobs'
http://gawker.com/5567063/insane-sally-quinn-want...
GOD bless America
Oops, I should've read every post first. I figured there'd be plenty of 'hell no's, though.
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
This is the opening line of Section 8 of the Constitution. The remainder of Section 8 goes on to lay out in more detail the ways that the federal government directly interferes with the daily lives of the American people. I believe in freedom and I believe in America, and so I have a hard time understanding the intentions of the authors in this essay.
I know that it is popular in the conservative movement to portray the progressive movement as attacking the principles outlined in the constitution. Somehow the constitution, the document that formed our government and in turn our country, is being used to argue for less government. It is in fact what has created our government. The bill of rights, the first 10 amendments to the constitution, lay out the freedoms of the American people and in turn limit the role of the government. This is where we get freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from unfair search and seizure, the right to bare arms, etc… This is where we look at the argument in the negative, what the government can't do. But in the actual body of the constitution is where the role of the government is laid out in the affirmative. This is where the constitution says the congress has the power to provide for the general Welfare of the United States. This is where the discussion is. This is where the argument is. Conservatives and progressives disagree on how best to help the nation, but we all support the constitution. To obscure what is in the constitution, is to obscure the true argument and does not help preserve freedom, provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States.
Obama tells Kyl he will not secure the border:
http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2010/06/20/ob...
He would have been holding hands with Stalin and leading the Bolshevik Revolution.
If he read it, he was looking for ways to eliminate it by using it to his advantage.
The progressive movement isn't attacking the principles in the constitution, They are going around those principles to advance a Utopian vision through the courts…. one lawsuit at a time. This is not what the founders envisioned. The problem is not conservatives and progressives getting together to "help the nation". It is electing enough TRUE conservatives to render the progressives irrelevant. 1st wave coming soon.
Obama – "It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf."
Yes, it does. It clearly states that the role of the Federal Government is to provide for the common defense, to facilitate roadways for interstate commerce…and a few other enumerated responsibilities.
What he really meant was that the Constitution doesn't say what HE WANTS it to say…which is BHO can do whatever the hell he wants to because he's "special"! It must be a terrible blow to his massive ego that a handful of white guys nailed his ass down on a contract that's over 200 years old. I'm not sure which part of him is more offended by this…the scumbag lawyer part or the half-black racist part! Either way, little Barry isn't happy.
We just have to protect our sacred Constitution a few months longer until we can put it back into the care of some properly respectful custodians once again!
we do not get our freedoms from the constitution, you must not understand the document. we are born with those freedoms, and the government is prevented from taking them away from us. and no the constitution is not the roadmap to all government all the time. it was made to be limited. if you read the constitution it has more restrictions on the government than the people. and it states, the governments powers are few and limited. i am guessing you like our president, never actually read the thing?
……….I have begun not sleeping at night because of the treasonous treachery of this man.
It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution,
This is a clear example of Marxist lament and disdain for our Constitution. Ironically, the very Constitution that brought liberty and freedom from government oppression, prosperity (or failure) in any individual endeavor.
1.It was our Constitution that allowed him to be educated, independent of social status and wealth
2.It was our Constitution that guaranteed him the freedom to speak freely without oppression from the government
3.It was our Constitution that guaranteed the freedom, unhindered by massive intrusive government regulations, for him to own a home, drive a car, work for a living, become married, have children, hold public office AND become the President.
It will be our Constitution, if barely hanging by the threaded edge that will curb his distasteful lust for ever growing power in conjunction with We the People Citizens that will put down this rebellion from within ourselves.
VOTE NOVEMBER FOR OUR CONSTITUTION AND THE REPUBLIC, NOT FOR IDEOLOGY!!!
This articlke must be an attempt at humor for Fathers Day.
Would Obama have supported Ratification?
No.
Hell No.
Further and beyond that, he just took what was left of the Constitution, shredded it, and wiped his ass with it.
LOL. Regardless of whether or not you believe he follows it, Obama studied constitutional law at arguably the finest law institution in the country in Harvard and he was a lecturer on constitutional law at the University of Chicago for years. He is more familiar with the document than 99.99% of the United States.
You clearly don't understand what you are reading then. You're using "modern" progressive ideas to INTERPRET that meaning (which adds a whole bunch of CRAP to those meanings that our founders never intended). Read the Federalist Papers which EXPLAIN exactly what they meant – and then go read The Constitution again – your eyes will be open.
Of course he would have. With just a few "minor" alterations.
Original Preamble
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Obamao's version
You the small stupid people of the lying, thieving, United States, have tried to form a more perfect Union but didn't include taxes, your justice doesn't defend the elite,, and domestic tranquility will only happen if you give me your guns.
Yeah, it's his version of filling the hole.
And knows how to outmaneuver the Republican Party.
Great post there and F no is my answer. This man is a threat to everything America stands for and we need every conservative and libertarian to throw these lowlifes' so far out of office the condoms spin off their cucumbers.
Should America expect its political leaders to embrace the aspirations of the founders?
Yes, we should. Our Republic is what separates us from the rest of the world. If they are not up to the job, there are more than a few of us out here who are. And they didn't attend Hawvahd, Yale or any other law school.
The Constitution is toilet paper to BO.
Well put. And we will remove their crooked asses with extreme prejudice.
He not only would not have supported it, he would not have read it!
LOL yourself.
He can't prove it because he won't release his transcripts. And if you think Harvard is still a "great" institution, you are one delusional person – it's filled with a bunch of anti-American Commies.
But it says plenty about YOU that yo believe he's all that.
I think there are a lot of us that worry and can't sleep.
I am from Canada and even I understand that the Constitution grants NONE of the rights in the Bill of Rights. Those right are inalienable and the only role of the government as laid out in the US's founding documents is to protect those rights from infringement BY THE GOVERNMENT.
This also explains the confusion over Rand Paul's remarks; he clearly opposes the areas of the civil rights laws which deal with PRIVATE conduct. If a business or individual wants to discriminate for any or no reason, they should be allowed to do that. Indeed, it is their RIGHT to do that.
Read the sixteenth amendment and then read what it did to the founders intent.
One hundred years ago, Congress sent a constitutional amendment to the states to permit the federal government to tax incomes.
The pressure for an income tax had been building ever since the Supreme Court declared the 1894 income tax unconstitutional — as a “direct” tax, it had to be apportioned among the states according to population. Such apportionment would defeat the principal aim of the tax’s southern and western Populist proponents, which was to shift the tax burden onto the high-income states of the Northeast.
In 1909, these Populists wanted a corporate income tax as well as a personal income tax. The story goes that the conservative Republicans, led by Sen. Nelson W. Aldrich of Rhode Island, agreed to enact a corporation tax but let a personal income tax depend on the ratification of a constitutional amendment — one that they were confident the states would not ratify. Aldrich openly stated that he would vote for the corporation tax in order to defeat the income tax.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=35185
Except "general welfare" does not mean "redistribute wealth in the form of welfare payments".
It specifically refers to the welfare of the United States, not the individual inhabitants. It places an obligation on the government to ensure that the nation remains a stable and functioning government, and does not turn into a failed state.
And no, the remainder of Section 8 does not detail ways the federal government directly interferes with the daily lives of the American people.
The federal government borrowing money has virtually no impact on the daily lives of people. At least it did not until it became excessive.
Regulating commerce has some daily impact, but only on those dependent on non-local goods.
Naturalization and bankruptcy laws rarely impact anyone, let alone affect daily lives.
Coining and regulating money has an impact, but it is hardly "interference" with any but the counterfeiters, which covers the next point.
Establishing post offices and roads is again an impact, but not an interference, unless you count junk mail.
Copyright and patent laws again have an impact, but only constitute interference for those who do not respect the intellectual property of others.
Courts inferior to the Supreme Court only interferes with criminals.
Punishing crimes committed on the high seas and against the laws of nations yet again only interferes with criminals.
The military clauses, regarding the army, navy, militia, and declarations of war, only interfere with the daily lives of people called to serve.
Making laws for the District of Columbia and federal properties only interferes with the daily lives of people living in such places.
So again, no, none of that interferes with the daily lives of the American people at all, and most only has a limited impact of any sort on them.
Sigh,
Oh for goodness sakes, Can we NOW impeach him?
A light went on in my head when you said that Obamarama considers himself to be "special." Rihanna has a song about what girls should do if they have a boyfriend that thinks he is God's gift to humanity, walking around thinking "Bitch I'm Special."
Dump Him, which is what the USA must do to this noxious POS.
His Progressive handlers have read it so they can destroy it! THE CHOSEN ONE is just their face guy.
You were there and seen this?, prove it.
The real scary question is what would our current batch of leaders do if confronted with righting a new one? Both side's of career politicians have done a wonderful jub of destroying is bit by bit.
Remember the guy (Senator I think) who was boasting about giving us (That's the little people) new rights! The Obamatons want to give the impression of giving to us (Little people again) so when the SH*T hits the fan they can "temporarily" suspend them in the name of whatever crisis they invent/create/organize.
These people will stop at nothing to keep power. Watch for some emergency in October to stop the elections. They may goat the Tea Partiers or whoever is the villain of the day to get a voilent response and presto! Don't give them anything that even looks like a reason. The good new's is that THE CHOSEN ONE doesn't trust the Military enough to try and use them. I don't think ADM. Mullen would play, as a matter of fact he might step in and say "I DON'T THINK SO" to whatever scheme they may try to pull.
Thank you, L4S, you said exactly what I was thinking and hoping to read as I scanned through the comments. You are exactly right in your analysis.
Excellent and right on, Larry.
I think you've just invented "creative reading".
As suggested, refer to the Federalist Papers where several of the founders explained in detail the what and why of the constitution. These papers were published in the newspapers across the colonies in order to explain and more importantly sell the ratification of that document by each of the states .
(That process took quite a few years and by that time virtually every citizen was well informed.).
More to your point, Madison (principle author of the Constitution, as Jefferson was of the Declaration) pointed out that if the 8th amendment were to mean what you say, then that makes the 10th amendment re enumerated powers meaningless and an enigma. (He was frustrated that people tried to reinvent or reinterpret phrases or sections "out of context" of the entire document.)
Madison also explained that it was their intention to say that that congress could raise taxes or enact tariffs FOR THE PURPOSE OF EXECUTING ANY OF THE ENUMERATED POWERS (emphasis mine, but Madison's words) and that those taxes or tariffs could apply only for the GENERAL (universal) welfare (synonymous with "benefit" at the time); that is, those benefits could not accrue to only a specific group or state.
Those arguments were successfully made in the early congresses after radification when those politicians who were in favor of an expanded federal role tried to use the interprtations you articulated. It wasn't until the late 19th century, early 20th that the progressive (statist) interpretation started to take hold.
Not only do I think he would not have ratified it, I'm not clearly convinced that he is not trying to find some way to position himself and his leftist buddies to significantly change it either through the courts or by pursuing a Constitutional Convention. He, Queen Nancy, Harry and the rest are sneaky bastards and I would not put anything past them. That is why the 2010 and 2012 elections are crucial, IMO, for the continuation of our nation. If dems remain in power after Nov 2010, God help us all. They will be emboldened and empowered to complete their path of destruction of the Constitution and the country.
Mudder, we do not gain our rights from the Constitution. We have those rights with or without a Constitution. It is up to the government to protect those rights, to prevent others from taking those rights away from us by force.
As for welfare, there are 2 things to bear in mind:
1) Welfare does not mean now what it meant back then. In the 1700's Welfare meant opportunity, freedoms, options. It did not mean entitlements and food stamps.
2) Provide for the Welfare of the United States, *not* for the People of the United States. Those are very different things. The federal government is not supposed to concern itself with the minutae of the citizen, it is not meant for central planning. The federal government was *supposed* to work for the benefit and equality of the States and deal with foreign powers.
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It is the States and Localities (Counties, Cities, etc) that are supposed to deal with the Citizens and create systems that work on the local level.
This is where conservative and progressives meet head on. We want federal government out of our lives with full understanding that State and Country government can fill that need for localized governing. From what I have seen progressives want Central Planning and intrinsic federal engagment with all aspects of our lives. Those two thought processes are not compatible.
A humble thanks
-obama bow-
or out at the ballpark even though I couldn't name White Sox player if I had too….
Where are you in that figure? bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
that also applies to the water in my toilet, if i want to wear a seatbelt or helmet, if i want to allow smokers in my house or place of business, what i want to pay a employee and thier benefits, and if i would like to serve only people with blue eyes, or brown eyes.
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Even a liberal should be able to understand this video on "The Bankrupting of America":
http://www.bankruptingamerica.org/2010/04/20/new-...
Obama's "Buy now and Pay later" socialism agenda:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/2365...
Supposedly being the operative word there! You are correct!
Prove that he has done anything…you can't!
The Soviets did whatever they wanted. I don't think they gave a shit about their "constitution".
We should probably rewrite it ourselves so politicians can't do any more damage to our country!
"Many great American patriots who were present at the founding opposed ratification of the Constitution."
Obama would oppose ratification, or maybe vote "Present". He's no great American patriot.
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yes i obama would have….hes dedicated studies to being a constitutional lawyer….without a doubt yes.
He just ignores the Constitution anyway. As for his "Oath", he would lie before the Face of GOD. I think he has committed enough "Misdemeaners" now to be impeached, tie up Biden and remove Pelosi from the House! America, it is NOW or NEVER, you will choose in November if America Lives or Dies. Lots of work to do…….
He may have studied it but has stated it is "flawed' because it tells government what it cannot do and he does not agree with it. Also, as NO ONE really knows who Obama is, how he got his job at the U. of Chicago along with an office and a fat salary, no records to check, who paid his tuition, how did he get into Harvard (a once prestigious University,but no longer). Even you don' know who in hell is he? You are the Blind leading the Blind.
Pray that we have a Veto Proof Congress this Fall to repeal ObamaCare etc. 'cause Obama will hang us with his Veto.
We find agreement on something! Yea!!!!!
Pffffffft – You'd drunken a LOT more than the koolaid bud.
Restore the Republic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP-IM7maxbI&fe...
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Yet another lib cluelessly advancing the General Welfare verbiage from the preamble.
You do realize that, even if prefatory language had legal force and effect (it doesn't), that "Genral Welfare" refers to actionss that benefit the populace *generally*, not direct transfers to individuals?
And of course you stopped your citation of Article I Sec 8 before you got to the meat of the matter, because, of course, the enumerated powers therein blow the crap out of your Bundesregierungs uber Alles claims.
"…To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the Supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress"
Sure bribery and back room deals really those are the ethics of Saint Obama
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Missed it by a mile pal. mudder suits you well.
Well, we've arrived at Franklin's prophecy.
"In these Sentiments, Sir, I agree to this Constitution, with all its Faults, if they are such; because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no Form of Government but what may be a Blessing to the People if well adminstred; and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administred for a Course of Years, and can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when the People shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other."
-Benjamin Franklin, in his speech at the close of the Constitutional Convention.
Early in my career, an acquaintance who had grown up in Africa very proudly told me how he had recently gotten a government job here. I saw him again about a year later, and he was very depressed. Government employees in Africa were treated with the utmost respect. Having steady employment like that is rare there, even if you exclude the opportunities for graft. He could not understand how people here thought nothing of hanging up their phones or demanding he leave their property. Even worse, his superiors had little sympathy, and he got the feeling they considered his complaints about this kind of treatment as a character flaw. This led to an impromptu lesson in U.S. civics, and my concluding advice that he would be better served to cheerfully accept such treatment than to fight or complain about it.
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I was just thinking today how happy I am that Obama was not president during World War II. after reading this article, I'm happy he wasn't around in 1776 either. now, if we can just start working on not having him around in 2012…
Funny, I just read where the RUSSIANs have a 17% flat tax, and are getting rid of all Capital Gains taxes…
What makes you think that you are intelligent enough to re-write the Constitution?
drop dead.
such hate….tsk, tsk
I am definitely no fan of the Pres. But I will say I am tired of all the golfing beefs. The golf course is where a great deal of business occurs. Both in and out of government. It provides a relaxing ( assuming you are a decent golfer ) backround where conversation and decisions can be made away from eavesdropping ears. I think that maybe he could pick better partners to play with, and his decisions are ludicrous, but I don't begrudge him the time on the links. I know I will get hammerd for this post but if you look at my previous posts you will see I am no Maobama lover. Peace out and good birdie huntin'!
I really agree with your attitude that there is NO LIMIT to what Obama, the Dems & the Unions will do to CONIVE, DEFRAUD, AND PLOT& PLAN TO DELIBERATELY CAUSE a crisis in order to justify THEIR COMMUNISTIC GOALS. They will Rig Elections, Mess with ABSENTEE BALOTS, station the black panthers at voting booths to scare honest citizens, Refuse to enforce our Federal Immigration Law, in order to JUSTIFY AMNESTY with Obam's FAKE "comprehensive immig. reform" TO GRAB OBAMA AN EASY 40 Million Votes to keep himself in Office! They will use ALL our Tax Money To ENSLAVE BLACKS WITH WELFARE, & UN-EMPLOYMENT so that they are so tied to Govt. programs that they become helplessly dependant Slaves to Obama, Dems & Unions. IMPEACH OBAMA FOR NOT ENFORCING OUR 'Federal Immigration Law" Passed by REAL AMERICANS!
The big point that EVERYONE here has missed is that he would not have been able to vote to ratify the BIG C. He would have been a slave!!!! It is only through the powers and procedures enumerated in the BIG C ( and a few hundred thousand American lives ) that we were able to secure the right for the black man to vote. He owes his position to the heroes that came before him ( and that doesn't include Mao or Alinsky or Mohammed ). Damned ungrateful if you ask me!
The Republicans can outmaneuver the Republican Party. Not much of an accomplishment for Oblowhard.
Amen. Why are we Americans required to flush repeatedly to clear the paper from our John Crapper's? It is ridiculous how the govt controls our behavior.
Would Obama Have Supported Ratification of the US Constitution?
Just read Oblowhard's books and listen to his recorded interviews where he discusses his view of the Constitution.
Uhhh, not on your life. Unless he somehow saw a steppingstone to govt/corp control of the masses in there.
The answer is of course NO!
Obama does not understand how property functions for individuals. He does not understand the soul of the human spirit. For those whom would be socialists and or communists, there is greater opportunity personally in pushing a government that can be efficient in taking the wealth and giving it to others while skimming some off the top for themselves.
This is the snake oil salesmen approach we used to know about. But we have forgotten.
Are they well intended? Yes of course they are… they are progressives. They have convinced themselves that they have the education or knowledge or clairvoyance to know what is best for us and those whom are not as capable or as lucky.
So this cannot be the case, that they know what they are doing will hurt many people.
They just believe that the current system of CAPITALISM is the cause for human suffering. When the reality is that the cause is not the system, it is the natural condition of the human soul. That natural condition is something that cannot be fixed by any government or any external entity. It is an internal human concern. Yes?
The fallacy that fails socialistic attempts is the VERY BASIC assumption that there is justification to take from one human to serve another against the first human's will.
Here is a diagram of one part of a Political Unified Field Theory that shows the relationship between individual ideology, government and economic systems:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/32287697/Political-Impa...
Why has this not be generated before?
Why has the concept of the Republican Political system been erased?
Answer: There is no profit for those whom govern with a Republican Political system.
When the young understand this, they will not only come to our side; they will seethe with disrespect for the progressive mind since they have to use trickery and deceit to mold their constituents.
This theory of the Political Unified Field Theory is SELF EVIDENT.
Publius
Murder76,
I am not sure I can say much more than what has been said.
But here is a general diagram that may help explain the position that represents the Founding Father's intent.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/32287697/Political-Impa...
Hint: Original Constitution and US position as of the late 1700s is in the Republican Political Quadrant.
Today we are in the Democracy Political Quadrant moving quickly to the Socialistic Political Quadrant.
Publius
Hmmm………would he and his ilk………hmmm…..NAY say I. I fear it rather evident that this, as we now knowest him, minion of Satan would, would have not only voted NAY but organised thousands of the like minded rabble in the streets, looking for the free mince pies and porridge hand outs, to vote no also and harangue the the other Yeas to vote no also.
Good article, rhetorical question though, correct???
Neither was around at the time but nice thought though…..
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